Should atheists be allowed to have children?

>>130646550
If they are white and dont have poor genes I dont care.

>>130646550
>good/evil is relative
haha, they always gotta sneak one in there

>>130646550
>good/evil is relative
oh so it's a deathbound belief
nice

Why the fuck shouldnt we?

Im personaly atheist but atheism is not an ideology, its just not believing in any religion out there at the moment for me. Ofc the answer to your q is yes. Look at Cze republic ffs and how they can have an ethnically sound country

>>130646550
>>130646705

not to mention a jewish trap for the dirty slave cattle goyim

>>130646550
Yes, because Western society values freedom.
If you want to live in an authoritarian shithole, move to the middle-east you fucking faggot.

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>>130646550
>good/evil is relative
>only atheists think that

>>130646550
If Ghosts aren't real, how do you explain the KKK?

>>130646550
Lower the age of consent to three months.

PRAISE TRUMP

>>130646550
Indoctrination of children should be illegal.
Religion should be taught during adolecence if at all

>>130646550
Can't stop me from having a family op. Stay in your siesta country while we claim Mallorca :^)

>>130646638
>white
>brazil

>>130646550
Good and evil is a human (or animal) construct, just like beauty. It is not absolute and cannot be measured objectively.

>>130646550
I'm an atheist but that doesn't mean I think good and evil are relative.
It's possible to have a philosophical framework for universal ethics that doesn't involve literal belief in the god of abraham, you know.

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>>130646747
>atheism is not an ideology

>>130646550
christians are literally as bad as muslims, so
fuck religion. people believing in god are scum

>>130646916
Problem with that is that you're then living in a totalitarian country where you're not allowed to have a say on how to raise your children.

Definition of Indoctrination can be applied to a wide variety of things and can be used to persecute people for wrongthink.

>>130647067
not just any god, but the jew god as well

>>130647067
objectively wrong

>>130646916
Religion: The great truth of the universe rhat no foreign culture should be able to deny, backed by "daiky miracles thats all around us" and yet still so pathetic it requires indoctrination in kids so young they cant challenge it.

>>130647366
>requires indoctrination in kids so young they can't challenge it
And even then it often fails.

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>>130646550
Literally everyone in this thread is a heretic. Pray to the god emperor or meet your end.

>>130646550
>knowledge

it's an assumption, nothing more. they are all such fucking asshats.

what could pure materialists (aka retarded autistic faggots) possibly know about metaphysics??!?!

they don't know shit.

>>130646550
>consciousness requires a brain
Can you disprove this? Because all I can tell, is that no one knows what happened before they were born, like, it's just blank, just nothing. Like a coma or sleep(if you're not dreaming), it's just skip of time, you fall asleep, you wake up.

>>130647067
I don't believe in religion, but I think it's a good thing. If it makes people live and feel better, why is it bad

>>130646550
So in other words; blind, cold, clinical and lonesome.

>>130647366
you're thinking of atheism

I'm not going to lead my children down a lie just to comfort them and cop out of actually teaching them morals and values without some fear of God or bible school

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>ghosts don't exist

Fuck you fedoraman, I wish it was that way, but my house is haunted anfmd my spooker is driving me crazy at night, jesus fuck.

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>>130646550
Atheists with children have a reason to protect the future.

Atheists without children are hedonistic and society destroying.

>>130647366
AMEN

>>130646638
>white
>subhuman monkey fucker

>>130647022
Yes, the new generation has been taught that atheism isn't a position but a mindset. It's a way for them to subvertively deny that God exists without needing to defend their denial.

atheism's claim that it knows everything there is to know about everything makes it a dogmatic religion. if everything unknown was meant to be a known then we wouldnt have unknowns popping out after discovering knowns. p will never equal np. there will always be more to know. you can never know it all. god is a placeholder for that which we cannot know.

>>130647761
this

would you rather me and my atheist wife have some atheist white babies, or would you rather abdul and his muslim wife have 20 brown babies who will eventually grow up to blow up both of ours

>>130647970
atheism doesn't make that claim tho, religion does.
Atheism rejects only the belief in a higher being and does not claim to offer any other knowledge about anything.

>>130647594
I think religion is a good thing, but what pisses me off is stupid Jehovah witnesses banging on my door and telling me to suck Jesus's cock or go to hell. And also Muslims beheading people because they drew mohummed

>>130647667
except God is the ceiling of all morality and moral subjectivism doesn't work since it differs from individual to individual. plus, if you're atheist you're statistically not likely to have kids anyway based on the tremedous lack of virtue and based on being more likely to be far-left.

on top of that, having children in the first place is a huge moral problem if you believe that death is final. you realize that, don't you?

>>130647970
that is a very verbose way of announcing how stupid you are.

>>130648013
>his muslim wife have 20 brown babies who will eventually grow up
>20 brown babies who will eventually grow up
>grow up
That's if you don't drone them to death before they reach the age of 5.

>>130648111
idk man your on /pol right now, so it could be argued that you also have a tremendous lack of virtue. Since your a christian, that means all christian must be unmoral.

>>130647544

An amoeba is conscious. A virus is conscious

>>130648111
>death is final
>implying atheists live their life just waiting for death

You're a dense motherfucker you know that? Just because I don't believe in life after death makes me wanting children a moral problem? fuck outta here. People want children because they want to pass on their genes, their legacy or w/e, I want children because I think fatherhood is important.

If anything, telling your kids they only get one shot at their lives and telling them to live it at their fullest seems more honest and moral to me than telling them they just have to succ gebus to go to heaven.

I just dont believe in a god, now i am an ideologist? Americans are just as stupid as always.

>>130648374
>so it could be argued that you also have a tremendous lack of virtue.

based on what? that this is a board on 4chan?
big deal. name a different place on the internet that allows you to have free speech like that. plus, there is all sorts of people here. successful ones, poor ones, old ones, young ones etc.. saying that 4chan is shit and therefore you are is not an argmument.

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>>130646550
Only if you want to go against dysgenics and have smart children.

>>130648462
Lol did you ever go to biology lessons
Hvor er hjernen din? Germanske broren min.

>>130647761
So basically eldar pre slaneesh ?

>>130648076
being religious and being spiritual are 2 different things. atheism claims to know what happens after death just like religion does.
>>130648146
>i can't think of a response but i'm a butthurt atheistfag so i'll call him stupid

>>130646550
I'm not religious yet i disagree with everything in that picture.

>>130648501
only being able to do things in the limelight of memento mori must be very difficult. I'm glad I don't have to force myself to do that.

>Just because I don't believe in life after death makes me wanting children a moral problem?

yes because lack of transcendent meaning.

>>130648713
the highest IQ is also a religious 9

>well throw that study out.

>>130648865
fallacy fallacy

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>>130648787
Dude, wut?

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>>130646550
>ghosts don't exists
strawman. rhetorical tautology.
>death is final
strawman. begging the question.
>magic is fake
strawman. rhetorical tautology.
>good/evil is relative
Moral relativism is self-refuting. If moral relativism were true, the proposition "moral relativism is false" would be couldn't exist.
>consciousness requires a brain
hasty generalization. false induction.

>Atheism - the art of using fallacies to whine and cry and deny your responsibility to God

>>130647967
>>130647022

I'm a secular buddhist.
Prove to me that atheism is an ideology.

>>130648626
m8 im being sarcastic. I'm trying to tell you that being an atheist does not mean that you have a lack of virtue. Just because you don't believe in a god doesn't make you wicked. Just like how not everyone from /pol lives in a basement.

>>130648820
No it just claims there is no afterlife because there is no proof, if you can give me 1 good proof of the afterlife i will convert to a religion immediatly

>>130648960
do you even know what country that is you fucking idiot?

all outliers can be explained if you look at country background

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>>130646550
>the knowledge that
>knowledge

>death is final
Whether your believe in God or not this is scientifically false. Energy cannot be extinguished or created, it can only be transferred. All of the energy contained within your being doesn't magically disappear upon death.

>>130646550
>consciousness requires a brain

Would that mean better brain/more IQ = more conscious?
Smaller brain /less IQ = less conscious?

Are everything with a brain conscious to the same degree?

What about epileptics that remove one brain half, and still lives on. Are they not conscious anymore?
Starfish is unconscious?

Where in the brain is consciousness locate exactly?

>moral relativism
read Socrates' dialogues. This is not something new, faggots without logic and principles will always resort to relativism.

>magic is fake
ok.

>death is final
so no immortality of the soul? We should live as though our lives are valuable, this is good.

>ghost don't exist
immortal space-dragons don't exist.
wise niggers don't exist
honest jews don't exist
non-existence doesn't exist.

>There is no god because I can't see him
There are no atoms.

>But, but, but you can't prove god(s) exist.
Believing has nothing to do with established fact. If we could prove gods there would be no belief. Belief is something you do when you don't have hard proof.

so to your question, should Atheists be allowed to raise children? If they follow the dogma in your picture, no you should not let retards raise children if you can avoid it.

The true redpill is being atheist, but realizing the foolish populace requires Christianity to defend against degeneracy.

>>130649005
I sense heresy

>>130649163
>Being this stupid
Kek kill yourself and see for yourself that dead isnt final

>>130648713

This is missing serious context. I.e.

Study taken in Raqqa or Saudi Arabia.

IQ score based on results from schools where 80% of classes revolve around the life of the prophet Mohammed.

A lot of people seem to get mixed up about atheism and secular humanism. Maybe it's due to years of fedora tipping troll memes.

>>130649033
we both know the concept of 0 is real but can you show me what 0 of something looks like in real life?

>>130649163
They would probably just argue that any potential energy in the nervous system simply remains that way as it slowly defuses into heat.

>>130649221
>>>reddit

>>130649286
of course but the general trend is confirmed by many other studies that you can find via google scholar

>>130649307
Dude Just give me some proof of the afterlife dont be stupid, i can prove 0 exists because 0 describes something not being in there so when i have one cookie and i eat that one then i have 0 cookies.. not very hard

>>130649163
When I get hit and killed by a car my life/spirit energy is kineticly transfered to the car and I "die" then my body decomposes

But I didn't die because the law of conservation of energy

WOW science

>>130649470
>I can prove 0 exists
0 actually doesn't exist you fucking mongoloid

>>130646550
1/10 shitty bait thread

>>130649324
Refute it nigger. Obviously no god exists, but without the beliefs and morals gained from Christianity people will turn into the degenerate faggots that are most Atheists.

>>130648925
fuck your transcendent meaning, the only reason you think you need that is because you've no real purpose in your life.
>hurr durr without lyfe aftr def life is pointless and i should sudoku

if that's how you view people who don't share your fantasy ideals you're a delusional fuckwit

>>130649221
No, the true redpill is that God do exist but that the organized religions should be taken with a grain of salt instead of blindly believing them.

>>130649290
or that no one gives a shit and it's presumed in today's society that rational people aren't religious?

>>130649489
When you die of old age where does all of your energy go?

>>130649307

Yes. I put two apples in front of you. I tell you to completely focus on simply the apples. I remove one. There is now one apple. I remove another. There is now zero apples.

Nothing exists but the apples.
Now the apples exist only as a mathematical hypothetical concept when removed. But i've shown you what zero looks like. You can envision it.

>>130649535
0 is just something that stands for some thing not being there, Therefor 0 exists as a concept you fucking smartass go larp jack sparrow

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>>130649617
>obviously no God exists
>obviously
wew

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>>130646550
Should all dead kike on a stick worshipers be gassed because they have allowed themselves to be turned into subservient cucks to a Kike lie intended to neuter and control them?

Probably.

>>130646550
... should people that believe in an "almighty" imaginary friend be allowed to have children?

>>130649734
Present evidence of your fucking god and i will convert.

>>130649535

0 is a numerical representative figure. It exists simply by the fact you acknowledged it's existence.

>>130647022
>unbelief in santa is not an ideology

>>130649470
0 is as much a placeholder for "no amount of something" just as "afterlife" is a placeholder for "where we go when we die".

>>130646859
>how do you explain the KKK
Psychologically they loath themselves but manifest it by displacing that irrational emotion on to other targets of convenience.

The technical term is TrumDumpsters.

>>130647967
>atheists must defend their denial of the existence of something no one can prove it really exist
i can't believe burgers are so ridiculously retarded

>>130649680
into the maggots that eat you fool

>>130649680
Are you being serious?
I was clearly joking

Also, dying of old age isn't an actual cause of death. It's like saying my car broke down because it's old. It isn't the underlying reason.

>>130647650
what? To make someone atheist you literally don't have to do anything. KYS christcuck nigger.

>>130649734
>I am responsible for proving it doesn't exist
no faggot, you proofs me

>>130647002
>It's possible to have a philosophical framework for universal ethics
The Golden Rule is a good example of this. Nearly every successful culture in history has had a moral system based loosely on this kind of community behavior.

>>130646550
I'm more worried about low IQ couples and mixed race couples.

>>130649686
>>130649819
if you can understand the concept of 0, you can understand the concept of the afterlife.

>>130649838

And "vague parables and metaphors" is a placeholder for "conning people into believing fairytales." I.e. religion.

You're using word trickery to try and get around the fact that you can't give anyone a straight answer or proof.

>>130649680
Into the fucking dirt you retard. You know what the fuck energy even is faggot?

Only niggers and stupid people praise ((( jesus)))

>>130650076

No. That'd just grandiose jewish word trickery. The man asked you for proof. I don't see it forthcoming.

>>130649811
The inherent compassion and morality of all living things. This can be observed through people in starving nations sharing food. Why give half to your competition? "Oh, well they were taught morality" -- what about in the state of nature? What compelled the strongest to protect the weakest thus giving birth to civilization? If men are just animals trying to stay alive where did this natural morality ingrained deeply within us come from?

This can be observed in the animal kingdom as well -- stampeding horses will avoid trampling other living creatures in their path. Why? They are scared, maybe they are trying to get away from a predator. Why would they risk slowing or stopping to save another creature they should care nothing about?

Our natural inclination toward compassion is evidence that we are more than purely mechanical beings.

>>130649904
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>>130646550

no one should be allowed to have children without taking a course in pedagogy

>see dad, i can be authoritarian too!

>>130647022
You are a retard.

>>130647970
>atheism's claim that it knows everything there is to know about everything makes it a dogmatic religion.
Atheism is shit because it's a religion? Well, you at least half way here.

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>>130650076
>asks for proof
>no proof is shown
>If you can understand the concept of 0
>the concept
>I can conceptualize an invisible man

>>130646550
Atheist w/ Four Beautiful & Healthy Children Here
So I guess that's
/thread

>>130646550
so basically beingan athiest is behaving like a spinesless cuck.

>>130649211
there's a lot of wrong assumptions here.

>what about epileptic man with half teh brain removed
They don't removed half the brain, they sever the cortex that links both hemispheres. All of the brain is still active.

>small brain/less iq=less conscious?
IQ is a measure of intelligence, and the size of the brain isn't an indication of consciousness but rather the variety and number of tasks it has to do therefore requiring more synapses. Whales have huge brains since they have a lot of biological functions to control, but they are obviously less intelligent and sentient as humans.

>moral relativists have no principles or logic
actually thats ALL they have, and they are totally right to beleive so.

>death is final means life is valuable
not neccessarily it also means there is no purpose to life and ultimately you'll lose loved ones.

>there is no God because I can't see him
you can witness atoms and concieve of them mahematically, but God by definition could not be defined by any method you could devise in the physical world. All creation would be preplanned, so he can't answer prayers. You have no freewill either, so worshipping him is pointless.

>believing has nothing to do with established fact
In science when you make a hypothesis you are essentially believing something, then you test it out to see if it is factual. If not you discard that belief.

In short, Atheists are ideal parents since they will prevent their children becoming narrow minded or being influence by dangeorus ideology.

>>130650461
tips fedora

>>130650468
They will racemix, guaranteed.

>>130650076
>replying to bait
y tho

>>130646550
>>From a country with around 15-20% practicing catholics,
Yes, castrate all the white population, we need space for the moors.
You either a panchito or a moro

>>130650299
>inherent compassion
yeah tell that to the mudslimes killing europeans on a weekly basis

>inherent compassion and animals running from a predator in the same sentence
wew

>strongest protecting weakest
You're thinking of men protecting women and children
Men protect women because they produce offspring, and men protect children to protect their genes. These are things educated people call instincts.

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>>130650531
t. Sharia loving tea nigger

*turbo fedora tip and trench coat twirl*

>>130646550
>morality is subjective
This has nothing to do with "atheism".
The only thing it is, is the positive claim that there are no gods.

>>130650522
>In short, Atheists are ideal parents since they will prevent their children becoming narrow minded or being influence by dangeorus ideology.
>prevent children from being influenced by dangerous ideology
>bong
>#NotAllMuslims
wew

>>130650662
>predators can't be compassionate because they are predators
Don't you find it ironic then that tigers don't eat other tigers?

>>130649027
Classical atheism is an ideology, because it asserts God doesn't or is unlikely to exist. The only reason the word "atheism" is now used to express a "lack of belief" in God, rather than "agnosticism" to express a lack of knowledge of God, is because it is implicitly equivocated with classical atheism. So people get to prance around implying God doesn't exist but when asked to defend that position, hide behind the new definition. Anyone actually honest who doesn't believe in God nor think Him unlikely to exist, call themselves an "agnostic."

>>130650194
>a natsoc flag defending atheism
listen now, i'll be the first to say the only way to prove what happens after you die is to actually die. i'll also add that i think modern theistic religions are all satan worshipers when it comes down to it. the point is we can understand concepts of things and "afterlife" is just another concept for the unknown that happens after death. the afterlife unkown is there whether i'm in favor of it being there or not.

>>130650813
frogs will eat tadpolles if they're hungry
polar bears will eat polar bears if they're hungry
people will eat people if they see that's their only means of survival
tigers will eat tigers if that is their only means of survival

You're a delusional shitstain

No. Next question.

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>>130650076
>if you can understand the concept of 0, you can understand the concept of the afterlife

These words resonated deep within my bones. Literally shaking right now.

>>130648111
>except God is the ceiling of all morality
There is no connection between the Abrahamic deity that wrestled with Jacob and our idealized system of morality today.

>and moral subjectivism doesn't work
All morals are subjective. Men make morals. Then evil men invent gods to enforce theirs by exploiting fear and ignorance.

>if you're atheist you're statistically not likely to have kids
You have no math skills. Like most K-selected successful people, atheists have slightly fewer children. Religious people are more r-selected, they live in fear of failure and breed like rabbits.

>anyway based on the tremedous lack of virtue
That makes no sense. People who lack virtue are more likely to have sex.

>being more likely to be far-left.
Ha, the old Goebbels "lumping your enemies together" propaganda trick. Good one. I'll bet that actually works on stupid people.

>magic is fake

Good goy!

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>>130650662
compassion is generally an in-group thing

Europeans no longer recognize that they have their own culture and countries. Too scared of being called racist for having an in-group preference.

It's a trait that will be naturally selected out. I.e. Europeans will cease to exist because of their weak in-group preferences. Altruism is the virtue of a doormat.

>>130650583
OK, I'll take that bet.
I'll even give you 2/1 odds
How much ya willing to wager?
(((rubs hands together like Jew)))

Muslim here, I prefer atheists to other kaffirs because they have alread accepted la ilaha so I need only show them the truth of the rest and I will have converted them. People of the wrong faiths must have their original belief destroyed first.

>man is governed by religion from the cradle of civilization
>thousands of years of human progress culminating in all of the wonders you see around you today
>the fucking magical box you are using to post on a mongolian basket weaving forum
>atheists start making a lot of dumb noise in the 20th century
>society fucking falls apart
hmmmmm

>>130650967
>people will eat people
Maybe if you're a degenerate slavic piece of human trash

>>130649221
>Christianity to defend against degeneracy.
By ass-raping children?

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>>130651092
lel

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>>130646550

>>130651092
inshallah

>>130651152
those are catholics anon they are degenerate

>>130651152
>falling for such obvious jewish false-flags
further proof that the average person is too dumb to properly handle atheism

Religion is inescapable, it is part of human nature to want to believe in an afterlife. We are far too self important to believe in a universe where we don't exist; God and heaven, and his many different forms and names around the world are based on a fear of non-existence by superstitious peoples, and are largely self-serving for those who do believe. They think a god would prefer a scheming sycophant over an honest non-believer, that eternal life is accessible simply by hedging your bets in pascal's wager. And the best part is, of the hundreds of thousands of sundry religions, gods, goddesses, prophets and deities, their religion is the only true and correct path; their god is the one and only god.

The fact is that if the world were turned back several million years to the dawn of man and it was done all over again, scientific knowledge, math, would all be rediscovered. But the existing religions would look totally different.

Now, i have no problem with religion (in general), or christianity. My family is christians, christians sometimes do good work, and it is part of our culture. Its values can sometimes be misled but is on the whole an altruistic ideology now.

But you can go fuck yourself if you're gonna sit on your high horse and regurgitate morally superior bullshit at me.

>>130646747
Isn't that kind of agnostic then?
If you don't believe in a religion but are not firmly an atheist and therefore don't solidly believe there is no higher power?

>>130651151
I'd like to see you put in a life or death situation with eating a human as your only means of survival. You can say you wouldn't do it all you want, and I can suggest you would eat them before you starved, but that's not gonna get us anywhere.

atleast I don't hide my flag like a little bitch

>>130651081
You better fuck 'em yourself now before Tyrone busts your daughter's hymens

Another Muslim here. Atheists are spineless wretches who will please any man in any way to avoid a fight. Christians will struggle and fight you when you come to convert them and seed their women. An atheist will help you and smile. Of course Atheists may breed, it makes the conquest and conversion to Islam so much easier. Or we will breed their women for them. Either way.

>>130651457
Bald eagles and red-tailed hawks are considered mortal enemies in the animal kingdom. They compete for food and territory and often attempt to kill each other on sight.

If God does not exist explain why this bald eagle has taken in an orphaned red-tailed hawk to raise as its own instead of killing it and feeding it to its two chicks?

http://www.care2.com/causes/bald-eagle-adopts-baby-hawk-instead-of-eating-him.html

>>130650827
>Classical atheism is an ideology,
Why do they always double-down on the dumbass?

>it asserts God doesn't or is unlikely to exist
Do you believe in Ra, Odin, Zeus or Jupiter? Do they exist?

> Anyone actually honest who doesn't believe in God
Anyone actually honest ... doesn't believe in God. We all know the truth.

>>130651817
Well now I know why bald eagles are an endangered species.

>>130651817
does the eagle go to heaven and get 72 virgin too?

>>130651839
>double-down
wat? So you disagree?
>Do you believe in Ra, Odin, Zeus or Jupiter? Do they exist?
This isn't relevant, you fucking idiot. He asked to explain why atheism is an ideology.
>Anyone actually honest ... doesn't believe in God.
Ya, again, entirely irrelevant. Don't reply to me again, idiot.

>>130651105
this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywTljZW87dI

You can have as much white children as you want but if your society is faithless, it wont last.

>>130651817
morality existing as a natural occurrence should be proof enough that higher powers we will never understand guide our every action but people will still argue against that very fact till they die.

>>130651817
same reason birds will feed cuckoo babies despite the baby being larger than them. Birds are dumb shits who cant comprehend what babies they feed/adopt and you thinking this is somehow proof of god makes me think you're the kind of guy who paints shit on his face, has dreadlocks and smells like weed 5 days of the week.

>>130651631
>it makes the conquest and conversion to Islam so much easier.
Atheists are less likely to convert to any religion. A believer has already shown a propensity to fall for nonsense and is more likely to convert.

>>130651957
Bald eagles are not endangered they are just a protected species. Their conservation status is "Least Concern"

>>130651376
yes
we cannot say there is god just as we cannot say there is not

>>130652229
>proof of morality in nature even among competing birds of prey
>"birds are dumb lol they cant comprehend what their own babies are"
>this is what atheists actually believe

>>130652474
I just told you how birds are dumb shits and you don't even respond to it. My conclusion is that you're baiting and/or in need of special care

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO1WccH2_YM

Watch this for all I care, plenty of morality aint it

>>130646550
I can imagine philosophical system where death is not final, good and evil are absolute, consciousness doesn't require a brain and God doesn't exist. The picture describes some sort of vulgar materialism, not atheism.

What is wind?
>We don't know therefore god
What is lightning?
>We don't know therefore god
What is love?
>Baby don't hurt me

>>130652706
wow it's almost like all living creatures have free will and it's how we exercise that will that determines the content of our character
>somehow this is proof that God does not exist
The fact that we have free will at all is proof that God exists. If we were just mechanical creatures trying to survive and pass on our genes then we WOULDN'T have free will, we would be compelled in everything. If we didn't have free will then that eagle would have killed the hawk and fed her young. But she didn't. She chose to keep it and raise it despite the fact that it's more work. Obviously not every animal will do this but the fact that even some do, even a small minority, is proof that there is something more than just fucking and eating and sleeping.

Kill yourself.

>>130651274
Nice bait, christfags are crazy

>>130646550
Being atheist implies nothing about your beliefs about ghosts, death, magic, good/evil, or consciousness.

If anyone should be prevented from having children it's those people that don't even understand the simplest of concepts like this.

>>130653095
>The fact that we have free will at all is proof that God exists.

No, it's not. That's not the definition of proof, and your shitty attempt at rationalizing it fails on its very face.

>>130653095
If anything, thats an argument for K selection and the evolutionary motherhood instinct found in such animals.

>>130653095
>The fact that we have free will at all is proof that God exists.
>The fact that we have rainbows at all is proof that God exists.
>The fact that we have gaps is proof that God exists.

Until you have proof that your gods exist, atheists have nothing to disprove.

>>130653095
nice moraliy and compassion telling someone to kill themselves :) very godly of you :)

kys nigger

>>130653366
>fails on its very face
>doesn't say how
>>130653587
>free will =! rainbows

>atheism

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>>130652110
>but if your society is faithless, it wont last.
Right, because bloodthirsty theists will come along and massacre you for being heathens.

>>130653805
you used the != operator in the wrong order. REEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>130653408
>evolutionary instinct
>feeding, caring for, and raising your competition

>>130646550
>Should atheists be allowed to have children?

It's white genocide if they don't.

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>>130646747
>atheism is not an ideology
you say that but how was atheist church this last weekend?

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no

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you are all fucking pathetic and short sighted desu

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>>130651022
>God isn't the ceiling of all morality because people don't listen
non sequitur
>could have just said "God" or "a deity"
>instead says "Abrahamic deity" to imply it's "just another man-made one," "deity" to imply limitation (of a God that supposedly doesn't exist lol), and "that wrestled with Jacob" to imply ridiculousness
>raging butthurt atheist detected
>b-but it is only man-made
converse fallacy. begs the question
>b-but it is ridiculous
appeal to the stone. appeal to ridicule
>All morals are subjective.
begs the question
>Men make morals.
converse fallacy
>Then evil men invent gods to enforce theirs by exploiting fear and ignorance.
begs the question. converse fallacy
>Religious people are more r-selected, they live in fear of failure and breed like rabbits.
r-selected only applies to opportunistic species, idiot. r/K selection theory only applies to whole species, not to individual groups of a species, you obviously-butthurt, stupid faggot.
>People who lack virtue are more likely to have sex.
But not raise children
>Ha, the old Goebbels "lumping your enemies together" propaganda trick.
Citing the unvirtuousness of atheists as a consequence of most of them being leftists doesn't imply hastily generalizing atheists as leftists, idiot.
>I'll bet that actually works on stupid people.
The irony...
>>130651839
>Do you believe in Ra, Odin, Zeus or Jupiter? Do they exist?
Irrelevant. Your implicit contention that the existence of """similar""" beings is ridiculous, therefore the existence of God is ridiculous, is a non sequitur, begs the question, and appeals to the stone and ridicule.
>doesn't believe in God.
Actually, anyone honest relinquishes their pent-up butthurt and admits they believe in God.
>We all know the truth.
You know no such thing, and judging by your critical thinking skills, I doubt you know much of anything.

Atheism - the art of using fallacies to whine and cry about God whilst pretending you're saying anything meaningful.

>>130654075

Atheism is just a lack of belief in a deity. These people are fucking stupid for even trying to make it into a church in the first place.

>>130652248
i dont even have to bring you any arguments, you're objectively a fucking retard

>>130651376
>>130652257

This isn't what agnostic means, agnostic is just a weird used by pussified cucks who are atheists but are afraid of the label because they feel atheists are "arrogant" or "judgmental." Atheists just don't believe in god, everything else is read in by the person or culture they're living in (hence all the fedora memes)

>>130653936
Yes, the evolutionary instinct of motherhood. I believe that would trump competition in certain cases, because creatures that need so much energy and time devoted to producing healthy offspring would likewise have developed to be very nurturing and have a strong intrinsic reflex to care for young.

Does that lessen your confusion? Or should i use smaller words?

>>130654344
>weird
word*

>>130653805
>free will =! rainbows
You have to be a Christian to understand that the rainbow was supposedly God's promise not to flood the sinners again. Spoiler alert: floods kill millions every year.

>>130648713
I've seen studies like this before and what's missing from this graph is that once you start approaching very intelligent and genius level intelligence, there's a huge upswing in religiosity.

Meaning you have the legions of fedora tippin' above average reddit types who are of course proud atheists. Then you have actually intelligent people who realize there's something else at work in the world.

In the end we will look back and laugh at all this I'm sure. When kali yuga is over and the coming hangover is dealt I am going to eat all the jews.

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>>130646550
Why shouldn't you kill all theist and objectively make the world a better place?

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>>130654206
>implying atheism is not the position that there are no deities
why do atheists always try to backtrack once they realize their position is retarded?

>n-no i don't know whether there are any gods, I just don't have any proof

stop calling yourself an atheist

>>130654481
>not to ever destroy the earth with a flood again
ftfy, idiot

>>130654399
Even if he was correct about literally anything he has said (he isn't) it still makes no sense how he thinks a story about birds proves an almighty person/force/being created and controls the universe. What a fucking leap

>>130646550
> Knowledge that-
> ghosts don't exist

> Knowledge that
> x doesn't exist

> Knowledge that

God if there is anyone worse than even Christfags and Muslims, its the smug atheists.

How do you prove the absence of a phenomenon in an infinite problem space?

>>130654647
Prove the presence

>>130654481
>still has nothing to do with free will
Equating something as enormous as free will to something as stupid and inane as a rainbow is why you are retarded, faggot.

>>130654647
>smug atheists are worst than muslims because redditors annoy me when they make jokes about me believing in jesus

Stupid.

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>>130654647
kill yourself

>>130646655
>bible dictates proper treatment of slaves
>clearly slavery is "OK"
>slaves get emancipated in US
>oh wait slavery is bad nvm
there is moral relativity even within Christianity

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atheists arent human

god only chose certain people from the beginning of the world

these other things arent real thats why god had no problem killing everyone except noah in his day

>>130654636
Look, im just spitballing here. I know some animals will slip their young into anothers nest to be raised, and some have a propensity to adopt. If you know better, please enlighten us.

>>130654921
This, my brother is one of these fucking people and everyone who makes this argument is always a pussy "moderate" who wants to point out constantly how HEY HEY BOTH SIDES ARE WRONG BUDDY LOOK AT HOW INTELLIGENT I AM! OF COURSE I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE A POSITION! They need to just fuck off

>>130654561
[citation needed]

>>130654595

No, Atheism is just lack in belief of a deity or deities. Whether or not a deity actually exists or not is up for argument though. Although we'll never find out for sure until we die. You're confusing atheists with Agnostics.

>>130655047
>atheists arent human
>posts picture of east asian
>not realizing she is probably an atheist

Sad!

>>130654708
Prove the non-presence.

>>130655184
Anyone who points out atheist churches honestly isn't even worth your time, atheist churches are just like 10 liberals cucks in Manhattan talking about reddit. They're irrelevant and no one cares.

>>130655184
>>130655184
What makes you think you'll be able to find anything out when you die?

Ever been in a coma? You are just not there. Absent. Missing.

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>>130655215
more proof. god calls the heathen a "thing"

2 Corinthians 6:17
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

>>130655230
Proving the non-presence of things is much harder than proving the presence. Occam's razor is a good reason to rule out the existence of any deity.

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>>130654647
It would be nice if atheists and theists put aside their differences to exterminate agnostics. Truly, you do not deserve to exist.

>>130648462
Define consciousness,bbedause under most definitions, organisms without brains aren't conscious.

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>>130655230
the burden of proof is on the person making the claim

>>130655184
Nah it's just modern atheists who want to hang on to the atheist label that keeps confusing atheists with agnostics.

atheism is the position that gods doesn't exist.

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>>130655464
>Proving the non-presence of things is much harder than proving the presence
yeah its difficult
>>130655514
>saying god doesn't exist isn't a claim

>>130655464
>Occam's razor is a good reason to rule out the existence of any deity
What's the simplest explanation: a creator or a random explosion that happened out of nowhere for no reason before anything existed that created everything and that we are just a tiny spec flying through a constantly expanding expanse of nothing filled with other specs doing the same thing

Occam's razor is a good reason to believe in God, idiot.

>>130654205
>God isn't the ceiling of all morality because people don't listen
>non sequitur
What about the fallacy of all the things I never said?

>to imply limitation (of a God that supposedly doesn't exist lol),
To the average non-believer, there's not a dime's worth of difference between your deities, Hindu deities, Persian deities, Greek deities, etc. You just happen to think yours are snowflake special and you get butt hurt mad when you perceive these imaginary slights against your safe space.

>and "that wrestled with Jacob" to imply ridiculousness
It's actually a story from the Jewish/Christian bible. God created the universe, then wrestled with Jacob.

All morals are subjective.
>begs the question
Just because you don't like a fact doesn't make it a fallacy.

Men make morals.
>converse fallacy
Even you acknowledge that men wrote your morals, you just take the additional ludicrous step of pretending the "inspired by God" nonsense. And you pretending you know the logical fallacies is pretty hilarious, too. Hey are you that Lol-gician from last night?

>r-selected only applies to opportunistic species, idiot.
I didn't say anything about how big your nose is. It's metaphorical. If you were a lot smarter, you would have gotten it.

Do you believe in Jesus, Ra, Odin, Zeus or Jupiter? Do they exist?
>Irrelevant.
All gods are. Thank you for proving it for us.

>>130646550
Hardcore full on retarded atheists doesn't worship a sandnigger kikes, so they're better than christcucks

dear atheists, please prove we are not all already dead and stuck in some version of hell afterlife. i cite the current state of the world being shit as my proof.

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>>130655603
>atheism is the position that gods doesn't exist.


No it isn't, Sven. I know this is your second language but get a dictionary for fucks sake

>>130654791
>Equating something as enormous as free will
How enormous is it, precisely?
<snigger>

>>130646550
Yes but not brazilians because they are 50% african country.

>>130655685
The burden of proof lies either with the positive claim or the most unlikely/fantastical claim. Clearly, the claim that a God exists fits both those criteria.

>>130655750
Believing in a creator is just a projection of your own self into nature. Nature is not a person and has no relation to human affairs. Humanity is just a small part of it, not some special component around which everything revolves.

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>>130646550
You can tell that the person writing that decided to use "knowledge" instead of "belief"

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>>130646550
They don't either way so it doesn't really matter.

>>130655831
You can prove a negative. If you're making a claim, the burden of proof is with you.

>>130655750
>a random explosion that happened out of nowhere for no reason
This is what theists actually believe the inflationary theory is.

>>130655943
>negative claims have no burden of proof
wtf? what is going on here?

>>130647067
gr8 b8 m8

>>130655110
I can't seem to find it. Anyway, notice that the graph presented ranges from 60, imbecile level, and up to 110 which is pretty much the reddit goldilocks zone. Seems like an odd range.

>>130655750
>Occam's razor is a good reason to believe in God,
The moment you introduce a supernatural being into a logical argument, the argument ceases to be logical.

It's like dropping a nugget of shit into a bucket of ice cream. You have to throw the whole thing out.

>>130656050
>negative claims have no burden of proof

Nobody is trying to prove there is no god, we are just saying since you can't prove there is one we see no reason to believe anything without proof. Get it?

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>>130656242
>you cant prove there is one
>mfw

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>>130646550
Should OP be allowed to post?

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actual picture i took of jesus

you cant make this up how atheists dont believe

(because theyre supernaturally reprobated, theyre not real men created for the day of evil )))

>>130649811
It says so in a book that no more than 5% of /pol/ has read.

>>130646550

>Should atheists be allowed to have children?

Don't worry, nature is doing a fine job of exterminating them already. Their fertility rate globally is probably lower than 1.0 per couple (that's even if they get married).

>Atheism simply means you don't believe in God

And liberalism simply means you believe in progress. Atheism and progressive non-sense in the West are inexorably twined. Always its these liberal permavirgins who get into atheism.

Atheism is a disease, a mental sickness of those who feel like "outsiders" and "rebels" in their own country.

Personally, God isn't real, nor was Jesus, nor was Mohammed, all that shit is bullshit. But saying that there isn't some cosmic force in the universe is arrogant to an extreme.

>>130655831
The current state of the world being shit is thanks to atheists

The universe, time, and matter began when a tiny dot containing everything exploded 13.8 billion years ago. Atheists believe this with all their hearts and will attack people as retards who are skeptical about their holy gospel.

>>130655943
absent an assertion, any person maing a positive declaration takes on the burden of proof. To be logically consistent, a person can't declare there is no God, they have to claim ignorance until there is proof, same goes for any assertion.

>>130656590
>Atheism is a disease, a mental sickness of those who feel like "outsiders" and "rebels" in their own country.
you just described what drives people on this board to christianity

>>130656050
If one person makes an unsupported claim, and a second says "I don't think so," who does the burden of proof lie with?

Also, while it's not hard to prove a negative, it is exceedingly hard, virtually to difinitvely prove that something doesn't exist.

>>130656142
because IQ was originally designed to average at 100 for europeans dumbass

this is why european countries are all so close to 100. europeans tend to be above average globally so the range is obviously shifted towards lower scores

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>>130656242
then stop being an atheist.

stop clinging to the retarded idea of atheism and just call yourself an agnostic.

unless ofc part of your identity is being an atheist, which is clearly the case and therefore atheism is an ideology.

>>130656590
>atheists are evil and DISEASED
>all religions are fake of course i'm not stupid
>well i believe some non specific spiritual mumbo jumbo so clearly i'm morally superior

You must seriously have some form of autism to post this.

>>130656824
And this has what to do with the chart ranging from 60-110?

>>130646550
No

>>130656918
>stop clinging to the retarded idea of atheism and just call yourself an agnostic.


see >>130655841, you're objectively wrong on what the word "atheist" means. Use a fucking dictionary dude.

>>130646550
>Should atheists be allowed to have children?
they dont have chlidren anyway

>>130646550
Fuck off, Christ cucks don't even want their own kids, not as long as retard Africans have left overs. You would be the death of our race. Atheists are some most of the whites actually having kids right now.

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>>130646550

>>130656751
By that logic, you can never honestly claim that something doesn't exist, you must always say that you are ignorant.

>>130656971
you asked about the range, I explained it

so you mean you still don't understand it? how fucking stupid are you? no wonder you are religious

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>>130657090
the universe isnt real you freeking j*w bish

>>130647022
Atheism is the lack of an ideology

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>>130655685
>>130650531

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>>130651274
:)

>>130646550
Who's going to stop them ?

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>>130657024
>have to make up new definitions of atheism just to remain and atheist after it has been debunked because being an atheist is so much of someones identity
lel

i've never met someone who calls themselves an atheist and I live in Sweden.(also never met a Christian)

stop latching on to ideologies

>>130657090
kek how will christcucks ever recover from the jewish bant

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>>130656918
fence sitter pls go

>>130657158
You explained nothing.

>>130656590
>Atheism is a disease
>God isn't real
Damn. There's mental gtmanstics and then there's mental teleportation.

>>130656805
>If one person makes an unsupported claim
in the case you described, the burden is on the one making the positive claim.
>Also, while it's not hard to prove a negative
It is impossible to prove a negative, if you have evidence to the contrary, I'd like to be educated with an example.

>>130657353
which part do you not understand

be more specific

>>130656923

>well i believe some non specific spiritual mumbo jumbo so clearly i'm morally superior

"See, my supernatural beliefs are justified because they're codified and written down." Yea right, that's a totally logical assertion. I'll I'm saying is that there is something but we don't know it yet. These past religions are self-serving to a ridiculous extreme, just read the text and you'll see.

And yea atheists are diseased and evil. They stand hand-in-hand with progressive politics in the West. They are overwhelmingly liberal, obnoxious, unthinking, rude, and arrogant. I would take a more Christian America(1950's or earlier) over a more Atheist America any day of the week (now).

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>>130657200
>my idea of the universe is that it had a beginning
>therefore your idea of a God with no beginning makes no sense
why are atheists so stupid?

>>130656590
>But saying that there isn't some cosmic force in the universe is arrogant to an extreme.
There are a number of "cosmic forces" in the universe. Can you be a little more specific?

>>130657293
>have to make up new definitions of atheism

That's just the definition that comes up when you look up the word in a dictionary. I'm using the word correctly and you're a stupid foreigner using my language incorrectly, use a dictionary and speak the language correctly or shut up.

>>130657301
>my conviction of the non-existence is superior to apathy

I don't believe there is or isn't a god. I live my life of myself, I own all my choices and all my responsibilities are my own.

I won't let external "ifs" dictate my judgement. Everything I do is my own fault.

I think that's the best way to explain my ideology.

>>130654205
You're claiming anyone honest would completely agree with you, you don't get to talk about fallacies.

>>130657521
Atheism means to have the position that there are no gods.

No amount of mental gymnastics will change that.

>>130646550
A culture that got ripped away its spirituality and then denies everything above what they can see is like a rape victim deciding not to have a sexuality.

Atheism is thee poor answer to Christianity, which sucks to begin wtih.
If your question is shit, the answer will be shit

Return to nature religion.
The fact that literally all ancient cultures untouched by Abrahamism have the more or less same spiritual principles tells you that nature religions are fucking up to something. go for hinduism to begin with as it is the easiest accessable. Read evola parallelly and you will understand him better too.

The next step for humanity is to make both brain hemispheres worke together again, i.e. you gotta open to your spirituality.
Start with breathing techniques, start with Wim Hof, the Iceman; the Dutchman who proved that breathing is the key to decuck yourself.

Spirituality contains the answer we are looking for.

>>130657395

Yes God isn't real in the fantastical way that people think. Shocker right? My belief is probably closer to deism but saying there sits an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, spaceless, timeless being who judges your sins. Now who's being silly?

>>130657415
Why is it only up to 110? Why not 140 so that the average 100 would be in the middle? Then you'd get the big picture.

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>>130657575
well its a good time to start considering the rapture is in a few months (sept 23)

a few months of life left as a ignorant atheist

or HEAVEN

>>130649221

>requires Christianity to defend against degeneracy
>trying to fight poo with pee

The only way to fight degeneracy is enlightenment, not replacing it with some other degeneracy.

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If God isn't real than how come my bible comes with free skateboard decals?

Checkmate athiests

>>130646550
Scientists have found that after death the brain can still have consciousness for many minutes. So your graphic is old, and gay, probably like you.

>>130646550
>Should atheists be allowed to have children?
Members of House Euphoric barely breed as it is so it's a moot question.

>>130657688
look at the chart again

the chart looks at country averages

there are no countries with 140 average IQ

>>130657731
thats one hip bible

>>130657420
>"See, my supernatural beliefs are justified because they're codified and written down.

I don't even know how you got that from my post

>I'll I'm saying is that there is something but we don't know it yet.

More worthless weasle shit, you want to feel morally superior to atheists because you hate reddit atheists yet you yourself realize religion is bullshit. So now you have to do all of this "ATHEISM IS A DISEASE!!!" garbage as part of a mental gymnastics routine. You're overcompensating and it's sad.

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>>130653936
>Tricking other creatures to take care of you by feigning to be apart of their ingroup, killing their children and forcing all their resources to be spent on you
>not evolutionary instinct
>not what is happening in first world countries right now

>>130656242
>we see no reason to believe anything without proof
kinda like the big bang? Interesting

>>130647832
>51%

>>130657623
>has already been provided the actual dictionary definition of atheism
>still uses his own stupid definition

you're hopeless, gas yourself

>>130657095
you are equivocating. one can't claim a god doesn't exist for the same reasons that one can't claim he doesn't.

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>>130653915
>cherry picking
>also posting in a literal hoax
oy vey!

>>130657403
Exactly. I'm agreeing with you, dude.
I'm saying it's damn near impossible to peove something's non-existance.

You can prove a negative though. "The tree frog is not a mammal because mammals have mammary glands." It is possible.

>>130646550
A much more related question would be: Should we let religious people have children?

There are too many of us on this planet and religious parents basically abuse their children when they tell them there is dude in the sky and dont question it.
World would be a much better place in about 80 years.

>>130657200
THE UNIVERSE STARTED 13.8 BILLION YEARS AGO WHEN IT EXPLODED INTO EXISTENCE!!

- Oh, but where did the matter come from that exploded?

... UH... TIME HADN'T STARTED OMG YOU'RE SO STUPID OMG MATTER ISN'T EXISTING IF TIME HASN'T BEGUN

>>130646550
doesn't matter to me. i don't wanna have children anyway. anyone who can think on his own should know having children is meaningless to this world.

>>130657653
>tells you that nature religions are fucking up to something
Yeah it tells you that humans who lack scientific knowledge personify nature in order to have an explanation for mundane events. We don't need god to explain shit now, at this point believing in god is being a kid covering his ears with his hands and screaming to not hear what he doesn't like.

>but that's a problem for keeping social order
No shit Nietzsche. But religion is not the answer anymore.

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>>130657830
Almost as RADICAL as this one

>>130646655
This

>>130657924
>>has already been provided the actual dictionary definition of atheism
irrelevant

I guess North Korea is democratic too because muh dictionary.

>>130657861
>big bang
>no proof

There's a reason why it's called a theory and not a hypothesis, anon. Also that's irrelevant, even if the big bang didn't happen that doesn't mean there is a god.

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>>130657550

>>130646550
>implying you can stop us

"I repent, now you have to forgive me"

>>130657623
>there are no gods.
Atheism does not make this claim. Atheism is the lack of belief in gods.

Theists cannot argue against a lack of belief, so they fabricated this nonsensical strawman. I'll give them this - they're good at fabrications.

>>130658013

>exploded

Nice one.

>>130658013
The matter came from the singularity -- which was a condense mass of energy.

>What came before that?

Literally a nonsensical question. You might as well ask what a five-sided square looks like.

>>130658070
>because north korea calls itself a democracy i can just make up new incorrect definitions of words and expect others to follow them

yeah good point

>>130657942
Sorry, I think you need to retype that, you lost me.

>>130658013
- Where did god come from?

... UH... GOD DOESN'T NEED AN EXPLANATION OMG YOU'RE SO STUPID OMG GOD CAN EXIST OUTSIDE TIME AND SPACE

The thing is atheists dont claim to know what if anything caused the big bang, religious people however do make the claim with 0 evidence or even reason.
Well, maybe having "i was told so when i was a kid" as a reason, so without any good reasons.

>>130657853
You have it backwards. The other anon was saying the mother eagle has an evolutionary instinct to care for the hawk, not the hawk has an evolutionary instinct to trick the eagle into caring for it.

In any case the hawk didn't kill the eagle's chicks -- the eagle has two.

>good/evil is relative

This is why atheists are just scum.

>>130658013
>hear the word "bang"
>thinks this means it's a literal explosion

don't breed

>>130657200
who made god?

>>130657795
Oh, I didn't realize it was country averages. Never mind.

No one should

Life is a sexually transmitted disease

>>130658313
yeah shit happens

sorry for being rude to you earlier

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>>130658082
So your saying it's ok to believe a hypothesis
that has not been proven but not the existence of
a god which has also not been proven.
>Just because god has been proven to exist does not mean he does not lelelel

>>130658070
irrelevant?

We are speaking in english here, if you insist that the words we use have different meaning you might aswell speak swedish since nobody will understand you if your words mean something else.

>>130658306
God.

>>130658286
>waaa we should deny fundamental facts of nature so that the moral axioms of our failing society are kept and it maybe collapses a bit more slowly

>>130658286
Do you support slavery?