Someone redpill me on adderall

>>130638117
Personally, having adhd n stuff, i was on a serious does of this stuff, like 40mg daily. When i hit middle school, its where it all started to go downhill. Lost 60 lbs in a month, bc no appetite, little to no sleep, and very low blood pressure/sugar due to idk, and extremely nauseous most of the time. I don't take anymore bc of this. 5 years later I'm still recovering from the side effects.

>>130638667
TL;DR they make you unhealthily skinny and feel sick -was at 6 percent body fat at one time so call me an african.

>>130638117
stimulants dont do me shit, I am already overloaded with dopamine 24/7, what i like is booze

>>130638667
What sort of effects from taking them that long ago?

dude aderall is big pharma meth, like why is this even a question

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Literally legal meth. My chemistry professor in college took 15 minutes tangent to ward people off abusing adderall. His main point that resonated with me was that its chemical structure is very similar to meth, resulting in about a 1/4 potency to a meth hit.

As a nonretard who then used them occassionally to power through engineering courses or as a cheaper alternative to cocain, I cant believe they perscribe this shit to children. I take a single 20mg pill and I can split it into THREE doses for me, and Im a 6'4 300lb fatty. Really the point where I realized that (((doctors))) are just sanctioned drug dealers not far removed than some corner nigger.

That being said, stimulants are best drugs because it makes you productive, unlike depressants or opioids.

> It makes you really productive.
> Boring shit like cleaning your room or the dishes becomes actually fun.
> You are disgusted at the thought of eating so you lose weight.
> You're really confident and feel like you can do anything.
> Everything is interesting.
> Comedown is kinda bad but not coke-tier horrible.

The only real downsides is they will keep you awake for ages, potentially days and days on end if you keep re-dosing, AND, they can result in ridiculously long masturbation sessions. This latter point sounds funny but it's deadly serious. There have been times I've just sat in a chair and masturbated for like 20 hours on adderral. Not only is that a collossal waste of time, your body is full of craps from sitting in the same position so long. Your ass literally starts to hurt from sitting in the same position. This is the kind of spergy hyperfocus adderral can inspire.

That said, if you must be on drugs, there's certainly worse you can do than adderral. It really does make you superhuman productive if you can resist the urge to masturbate, and the effects last a really long time.

>>130643449
I need to rub the dick. How fucked am i ?

>>130643449
This is the closest thing to truth in the thread.
t. doctor with ADHD

>>130640847

BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP

Oh don't take Adderall to make yourself horny. For a lot of people it decreases their sex drive. It can even give you ED. Of course for other people it can make them unbelievably horny, like how methheads have nasty multiday fuck seshes when they're on a bend.

>>130643449
You sound exactly like a friend of mine, he's on wellbutrin now. I'm on ritalin, and that stuff just works. Couldn't do many of the stuff I've done without it.

I didn't notice a lot of side-effects, the eating less part is actually beneficial to me, because I quit smoking and if I wasn't on ritalin, I would've ate a lot.

I take 20 mg because I work odd hours as a nurse. It helps keep the grogginess away, and keep me focused and motivated.

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>>130638117
I've had adderall off and on since high school. There have been times where I get deep into that stuff though. I remember they used to fill a 3 month supply of the stuff - 90 pills - back when I was in high school. I would go on binges, taking up to 100mg in one day.

Everyone in here is right about losing your appetite and the frequent urge to masturbate for hours. When I was younger I used to play guitar for hours and hours straight getting better.

Cleaning the house, organizing your shit, washing your car, etc. all are suddenly so much more fun and you care more about it.

Studying is super easy on adderall.

Shit-posting on 4chan is fun on adderall too.

I love adderall.

>>130638667
low blood pressure/sugar because you weren't eating or sleeping

this is something that needs to be carefully monitored. losing 60 lbs sounds literally impossible, short of you having your legs cut off, but any extreme weight fluctuation should have been a red flag to your parents or teachers

you probably still need adderall, which is what you attribute to "recovering" 5 years later- you don't feel "all there" because the meds helped your cognitive function but fucked up your physiology because you were being neglected

>tfw in America u can legaly use drug what use Reich soldiers on east front
GOD BLESS AMERICA

>>130638117
Provigil is better.

>>130638117
Muh dick shrinks everytime I do any amphetamines. Also, a literal Jew put me on this shit as a kid but i never liked them so I just sold them instead. Now that im older and have tried everything under the son, including IV/smoking meth, i know just how close adderall is to meth. It makes me wanna cry when I think of how Jews are handing this shit out to 5 year olds

>>130638117
not gonna fuck with it
buying *finil instead

>>130638117
I eat em everyday, and I'm glad I have it. No bad side effects and I couldn't do much without it.

The government recently put me on the stuff after being diagnosed with add. The opposite of adhd.

If you're wondering if they make you smarter or anything, i don't experience that. I just feel like i don't run out of steam after 30 minutes and there's less fuzz in my head. I can focus on one thing and not be distracted.

>>130645368
I have a degree in psychology and neuroscience. there is nothing to suggest that there are negative longterm effects to using therapeutic doses of amphetamines orally

IV and smoking meth are not even close to being in the same ballpark as taking dextroamphetamine orally. those two routes of administration (smoking/IV) could literally not be more different from a metabolic standpoint than the much smoother plasma concentration/time curve for oral ingestion

>>130638117
Use it for a couple of months or years and you see, retard. It is not nearly as useful as you imagine in your amphetamine-fueled superman syndrome, then again it is not nearly as dangerous as the government says.

>>130640847
>makes you productive
Until you run out of speed and your productivity is like 10% of what is was before amphetamines.

It is a nice short-term solution if you manage to control your use, long-term you can just prepare to be asleep without amphetamines.

>>130643449
>if you can resist the urge to masturbate
Nobody on 4chan can resist the urge to masturbate. Now go smoke some meth, masturbator!

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It's just a brand name for meth. It has its uses.

>>130643449
>resist the urge to masturbate
Also: stim dick. You end up masturbating a shrimp. Have fun!

>>130646035
Hey ladyboy, it is amphetamine, meth is methamphetamine. This is like saying morphine is heroin. Christ, you dorks don't know anything about drugs.

>>130645632
ADD is not the opposite of ADHD. ADD is Attention Deficit Syndrome and ADHD is Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Syndrome. You see? One has hyperactivity and the other doesn't.

You people are so retarded I have to educate you about your own diagnoses. How the hell are you able to lead society when you don't even know anything about your own mental condition.

>>130638117
Start a fight and get your adrenaline the way God intended.

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>>130644956
how to get prescription for?
like what do you tell the doctors

>>130640847
scientists only understand the raw math of what makes a drug potent, they don't really understand the true nature of it
regardless of similarity in chemical structure the difference between taking one 20MG adderall XR for work/school during the day and typical recreational doses of meth snorted or smoked is like a precisely loosened faucet of dopamine vs smashing the sink and flooding your house.

>>130646422
Yes one has hyperactivity and the other doesn't So they are opposites. What are you saying?

If you have add you tend to be very slow and tired. If you have adhd you tend to be hyperactive.

>>130646035
Brand name for meth is Desoxyn.

>>130646499
>like a precisely loosened faucet of dopamine vs smashing the sink and flooding your house.
kek, have your well-earned (You).

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If you need speed, you're worthless. It's like playing life with cheat codes turned on. Sure you do better, but deep down you know that you're cheating and you're a pathetic worthless fuck.

>tldr you take speed to pretend you aren't pathetic, try just not being pathetic

>>130645933
amphetamines are very effective at certain doses only for a short period of time. for me, adderal would raise my iq about 20 points for 180 minutes. after a redose my iq is 10 points higher than normal and i'm good for about 150 minutes. this repeats until about 10 hours or so and i'm just wired and unable to function at all. adderal is only useful in small doses for a short period of time. the longer you use it, the dumber and more pychotic you become.

It cured my depression and made me more productive while not on the drug. I discovered that the biggest benefit from adderall is that it gives you a desire to do the activities you did while on the adderall, even after its influence has worn off

The best thing to do is to take it sparingly, so that you avoid the serious side effects. A low, yet sufficient dose taken once or twice each week, if not less.

From my experience though, masturbation can be the biggest problem with the drug. Last time I took the drug I became sexually aroused because I saw porn I saw while browsing chans. I ended up masturbating 6 times and stayed up all night.

Also, one interesting thing that I've encountered from adderall is that it changed my sexual desires. I used to never masturbate to hentai and it's now the only thing I masturbate to, because I masturbated to it while on the drug. I actually don't mind it though, because it feels less degenerate than other forms of pornography.

>>130646454
I got my prescription for Ritalin with a diagnosis of ADHD when I was in like 4th grade. It didn't work, so I went off of any meds for ADHD until probably 10th grade, but then we tried Adderall instead and it "worked" like a charm. Legal speed for a 15 year old....oh yeah, baby.

As far as it goes now, I would think it would be as easy as getting a script for legal weed out west. Just go to a doctor and complain of some vague symptoms and say your friend/cousin/sibling had the same symptoms but when they took the drug the symptoms were gone.

For adderall, it's probably easiest to get it if you're a student because you can say that you have friends that take it and it works for them and you "did some research" and you think you have ADHD. Most doctors will just do it. If you get them, go for the 30mg XR and just split them into smaller doses over a few days each pill.

Or take 4 and fap for 15 hours.

>>130646422
add = adhd-inattentive, adhd= adhd

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>>130638117
Amphetamine and other stims are awesome.
It's humans and their lack of self-control that are the problem.

PS: If you think amphetamine and methamphetamine are bad, give a-PHP/a-PVP a week-long taste to gain some perspective on what IS and IS NOT bad.

>>130646646
you can't get away with cheating using ampetamines, they are only useful for a short period of time. you can take it during your SAT's or MCAT ect and you will get a better result, but it wont matter because if you haven't studied hard enough, adderal will not give you enough of an edge to get a good grade.

>speed is only useful for a short boost

>>130646646
If you have ADD/ADHD you are having a disadvantage and amphetamines make you normal. Go suck your balls, normie!

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>>130646738
>because it feels less degenerate than other forms of pornography.
I know this sensation. It doesn't feel dirty or broken. 3D truly is PD.

>>130646863
>It's humans and their lack of self-control that are the problem.

This anon is correct. The drug has utilitarian applications. Stupid people who are irresponsible and abuse it for recreational purposes are the reason why it's a controlled substance in the first place.

>>130645308
lost
but aderall isnt exactly the same amphetamine derivate that pervitin is.

>>130646863
are you fucking kidding me? after 15 hours of smoking blue meth i ended up in Mordor. things were not good man. hospitals and jails were a bi weekly thing. i don't use anymore it's been nearly 3 years, but i must tell you that meth is the most dangerous drug i've ever seen.

>yes i'm sure there are more dangerous drugs out there that no one uses because they suck or the high sucks

>>130643449
you're a fiend my friend. some people just go nuts with stimulants, but most people i know don't even think about sex at all on the stuff. though your greentext is pretty spot on.

>>130646975
they might make you feel normal but you definitely dont actually feel normal
add/adhd isnt just one big disadvantage either, im sure it has its upsides.

Addies make me fuck like a champ and helped me make it through college. Snort the generics or boof em.

>>130638117
ADD, ADHD, Autism, Aspergers... whatever you call it is all part of a group of made up disorders to drug while male children into mediocrity and submission by suppressing their natural male instincts. The vast majority of kids prescribed adderall are white males. It is to make them calm and boring so they be programmed for a life of cuckdom.

>>130640847
You're a fucking idiot.. Nobody would use cocaine to study. Doesn't last long enough you retard. I hate wannabe drug users. Kys

>>130646688
>for me, adderal would raise my iq about 20 points for 180 minutes. after a redose my iq is 10 points higher than normal and i'm good for about 150 minutes.

IQ points don't raise and lower like some dbz power level, faggot.

>>130646688
Exactly! It is truly great for ADHD people, but even then you will soon discover that you are actually dependent on amphetamines for your ability to concentrate, which starts a cycle of tolerance and addiction.

I am all for ADHD people using stimulant medications, only a reminder that there are some problems with stimulants even in medical use.

The added dopamine levels also make you think you are a superhuman compared to your normal self. Let me assure you this is true if you have ADHD, otherwise some of it is brainfuck.

>>130647206
He should die

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>>130646975

"No really I'm not just pathetic and undisciplined, I have muh disorder so gibs me dat speed"

>>130647248
You sound mad because you don't have a script. lmfao

>>130638667
>>130638741
>no sleep
>no appetite
>nauseous and losing weight
>lost 60lbs in one month

Amazing. It's almost as if prescribing kids what is essentially meth has terrible side effects.

>>130647057
Vaping a-PVP makes Mordor look like a vacation. And you will learn to love it. That's the scary thing. It makes you an orc. Not the drug mind you. Yourself. a-PVP/a-PHP will unlock the most naturally chaotic part of YOU.

To me, getting sober/crashing after a 6+ day binge of a-PHP is the best high ever. NOTHING feels better than actually feeling sanity come back into you. I mean literally feeling sanity return to my body and spirit. Shit is amazing.

>>130647183
They don't drug you for aspergers.

>>130647052
Pervitin was meth. Now let's say amphetamines is beer and meth is hard liquor. Can you see the difference?

>>130647248
ikr
life isnt supossed to be easy
I'd be coked out of my mind right now if that could be an actual excuse to snort hard drugs

>>130643449
Haven't gone more than 6.5 hours myself...

>>130647183
You're fucked dude,
I took concerta and
>could fuck all night like I was a teen again
>study endless hours
>picked up piano
>read a book
>lost weight
>worked out
>ate well
I was away more interesting on the drug than off.
I think you've got your nostalgia glasses on and everyone just got boring when you grew up.

>>130647206
ok you can also lift more weights while you are high on meth. you can run longer distances (if you don't die from a heart attack) etc. when i was in high school the first time i took the sat i was sober and got 670 on math. the second time i took aderall and got a 790. you can calculate quicker for a short period.

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>>130643449
>they can result in ridiculously long masturbation sessions
I can attest to this, if you have a fapping problem be careful. Either way never take it every day, if you don't take breaks you will need to increase your dose and that makes every negative aspect of the drug way worse.

>>130647057
Now you forget the most dangerous drug of all: alcohol.

I absolutely refuse to believe any of these drugs are more dangerous than alcohol. Maybe some research chemicals can be even more damaging.

i remember stats from the early 2000s that said that 80% of people in jail west of the Mississippi River were in on a charge related to meth and 80% of people on meth started with prescription amphetamines. Adderal is one of the primary Gateway Drugs.

>>130638117
The smartest guy I knew in college was a chemistry major, he told me addy is pretty much legal speed. Having done both I can confirm it sure as fuck felt that way.
I always spaced it out - took addy a few days every three months or so to study for exams. blows my fucking mind that doctors prescribe it to children to take every day, literally madness

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>>130647295

Not even. Tweakers are scum. All a man needs is coffee and weed like the good lord Satan intended.

>>130644572
>on ritalin
>Can't do most of the stuff I've done without it

You do realize that all you are doing is drugging your natural state of mind and subconscious right? You are basically too big of a pussy to handle reality.

>>130638117

Vyvanse is better

>>130638117
Adderal is heavier on the your adrenal system, HPA-axis, liver, etc.
Ritalin is too crappy, doesnt give you enough for the side effects it ensues, Venvanse is where its at
But if you are enjoying these kinds of meds on a long term basis, you probably have ASD or ADHD (or just some dopamine transfer déficit)

Adderall can be easily abused

Ritalin/Concerta less so but they aren't as fun to take.

>>130647226
this guy knows what the fuck is up
that's one reason judging if adderall is good for you is so tricky, because either way it will make you feel like a million bucks, either because you have a dysfunction and now feel like you can control yourself or because you're normal and probably have an inflated opinion of yourself to begin with and now you feel like robo jesus

>>130647437

>his power level, I mean his IQ is 100
>oh no! he just took adderall
>his power level, I mean his IQ is now.....ONE-TWENTY!!!!
>he's smarter now!!!

This is what you sound like, Allen.

>>130647474
So are you saying amphetamines are amphetamines, you twat? Or do you mean illegal amphetamines have the same chemical structure as legal amphetamines?

The difference is your pharmacy speed is 100% pure while illegal stuff is like 10%. Therefore something like 100mg of pharmacy speed has the potency of 1g of street speed.

>>130647593
what a nowhere statement

>>130647467
why do you believe alcohol is so damaging? im pretty sure the only way it affects your health in the short term is reduced physical condition and some memory problems
and its not like you wont be able to stop drinking after one night of doing it

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>>130647308
meth eventually releases your worst nightmares if you use it long enough. what is pvp/php anyway? i know it's a research chem, but what type of drug is it?

>>130647226
Look, stimulants are addictive? Yes. But when they are the most indicated drug to treat a condition, thats like saying diabetics are addicted to insulin.The cycle of tolerance and addiction is true of most amphetamines and amphetamine like drugs, except for venvanse, which boasts an almost non existing tolerance curve, little side effects compared to other drugs, etc.

Otherwise you are correct

>>130647432
>I could do tweaker shit because I was on speed

What a surprise. Of course though you are right. Nothing wrong with bombarding young developing minds with powerful narcotics.

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>>130646738
>I ended up masturbating 6 times and stayed up all night.
>mfw I have that w/o drugs and I'm 30 years

Adderal is a dextro amphetamine. A blend of 4 out of 5 amphetamine types. Not meth but all the others.

>>130647682
That is the superman syndrome caused by the amphetamines. Your brain is so full of dopamine you think you are übermensch!

I think you will get more done due to dopamine-induced motivation and energy, but more intelligent? Bullshit. You can solve problems better when you bang your head on them for hours and hours longer than normally.

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>>130647682
it's actually alan. but yes, for a short period of time (few hours) it makes you mentally and physically stronger.

Used to snort it before big tests in high school. Shits great. If people didn't abuse the shit we could use it much like coffee or energy drinks. Sadly even those are abused by people.

>>130647691
>speed
>100% pure
xd

How do I get adderall?

>>130647859
Now the magic pill makes you even physically stronger.

It actually elevates your blood pressure and heart rate, which I think means you are physically weaker.

Also: stim dick!

>>130647890
Pharmacy speed, you retard. If your pharmacy dose is 10mg it is easily equivalent something like 100mg of the stuff coming from your illegal speed labs in Netherlands.

>>130638117
I'd recommend vyvanse. Much cleaner, no crash if you treat your body properly. Personally, I still have an appetite when I take them. But the few times when I was extremely busy and pushed through lunch, the crash was present. Not serious, just felt lagged, foggy, and slightly irritable. I'm 6'1 200lbs and take 20mg, plenty to push me into an extreme productivity mode.
If your under 20, you shouldn't be taking this shit though. I can't imagine how it was be beneficial during your brains peek development.

>>130647740
Cause alcohol makes you a fucking idiot, something I have not experienced with other substances.

>>130647871
i think unless you have fairly substantial adhd symptoms/dopamine issues taking it as much as most people take caffeine would most likely constitute abuse.

>>130645691
>therapeutic doses of amphetamines
I have a degree in neuro too, probably from a better school than you no offense. until we fully understand the biological substrates of consciousness it's fucking retarded to discard common sense and only consider these kinds of studies. I get that for a journal article or whatever it's all you can go on, but we're not just talking research here, we're talking intuition about what is a good choice for society. And there is no fucking way that dosing children on this shit en masse is a good choice, be real

>>130648027
adderall >>> vyvanse >>> dogshit pills >>> ritalin

They are all a waste of time though. Muh comedown/cleaner/etc bullshit all comes down to strength in the drug. However if you pick one it should be adderall

>>130647748
>what is pvp/php anyway?
If amphetamine is about a 5 on the stim scale, and meth is a 9, crack a 10...
Vaped a-PHP is an 11, vaped a-PVP is a 13, and vaped MDPV is a solid 15. That's on a scale of 0-10.
Pyrovalerones are VERY potent stimulants, that are extremely morish and can easily lead to insanity. Very tough nuts to crack. You need a strong mind to handle them and even then you're in for a hard ride.
For most people they'd be pure hedonistic wastes that end in the psych ward/jail. For people who can appreciate batshit insanity and lots of fucking shadow people, they're fucking awesome. Nothing else in this world can match them toe-to-toe for how powerful they are as stimulants. Not even methamphetamine.

Adderal given to children is child abuse. It has replaced the ruler in schools.

I was on vyvanse for a year, dose was too high, fixed my school but after school I would basically just masturbate till sleep.
I switched to Attentin (Dexedrine), and just take 2,5mg when I need to do work, works far better.

>>130647792
Stimulants aren't narcotic. They're actually antinarcotic.

>>130638117
It's just legal speed. All the kids that were prescribed it in high school have had lives of nothing but addiction to various drugs.

>>130646975
ADHD is a bullshit diagnosis. There is no such thing as normal.

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>>130648164
>tfw Adderall is apparently not licensed in the UK and ritalin is still their goto drug.

>>130648267
I think we can all agree theres a spectrum of attention/motricity/impulsiveness levels in which at some point it becomes pathologic

>>130640847
Dat ass

>>130648352
nope just the kikes makin a quick buck

>>130648073
yep, long term speed usage definitely doesnt cause brain damage and ends up in you sitting somewhere in a box trying to get your ten bucks for some good ol speed but you cant because you can barely fucking talk or think
who ever needed sleep anyway?

>>130648185
it would take about 14 hours of strong meth for shadow people to show up. they became very hostile after about 30 hours. after 72 it was beyond fucked up.

how long does it take for psychosis to kick in from smoking that shit? couple hours? im not sure why people enjoy the company of shadow people. they were very hostile towards me.

give me a rundown of what it was like using that shit. por favor?

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>>130645007
>you probably still need adderall
>need adderall
>need
No human body needs amphetamines. Adderall is a hardcore drug. The fact that they mix various amphetamines with different half lives so you don't get quite the "rush" a meth head gets doesn't make it any better. Adderall just about turned me into a schizophrenic and ruined my life. I thank God every day I recovered.

>>130648228
Either way, wouldn't recommend stimulants for daily usage or taking them randomly, they serve no purpose and will just damage you, if you sit at work then they have a purpose, if you sit in front of homework same thing. If you sit at your bed doing nothing, they will only be negative and most likely will just make you fap to no end.

>>130648436
People who get to that level have a lot more problems than drug use.
>muh slippery slope

Amphetamines were pushed on white comunities when crack diden't take.

>>130647792
You don't know your drugs at all.
You don't stay "tweaked" out.
That leaves after less than two days. The only time it changes is when you bump up your dosage.
Would you say the same thing to someone who is low testosterone and took hormone therapy to balance themselves out? You shouldn't, that dude is just doing what's best for him.
Concerta gave me energy, it gave me my life back and I felt great.

>>130648529
The "rush" is there for 3days, after that it vanishes. Concerta lasts 12hours and that's far too long for me, I switched to IR variants because who the heck works 12hours, I work 8, the remaining 4 I would do bullshit stuff like fap to no end.

>>130648496
Exactly. Even when you use them as prescribed you should take a break of a week, month or a year from time to time in order to avoid problems with tolerance and addiction.

>>130648267
>>130648406
There is a measurable difference between the brains of people with and without ADHD though. People with the disorder at a disadvantage in modern society and they can be helped by taking the drug.

Not everything is a Jewish scheme. This is coming from somebody who doesn't believe in the holocaust.

>>130638667
I had a similar experience, as an adult though.

At that high dose I ended up being manic a lot of the time, and then feeling like total garbage once it would wear off at night.

I started drinking to cushion the crash in the evenings.

All in all, it made me pretty mental after about a year. Took about a year to totally come off it and recover.

Wasn't worth it. And in retrospect, my behaviour was really fucked up when I was on it. Destroyed a lot of friendships, wasted a lot of money.

Fuck that poison.

>>130648506
Not always. Drugs are addicting fyi.
also thats besides the point, finland said speed is better than alcohol, and thats just mental in my opinion
the fact that you can function and not feel nauseous on speed makes it even worse.

>>130648730
i will buy that a SMALL percentage of the population can be helped by taking small doses of amphetamines. i believe 99% of the people taking them don't need it.

Big Pharma is a Big Problem. Doctor teachers and parents are complicit in their crimes.

it may steal your soul. ritalin is less likely to steal your soul than adderal.
But still they can break your heart if you trust them. Worst case they kill you by suicide

>>130648481
hey guess what
you didn't take it at any medically approved level
your experience of flagrant abuse is not the same as someone getting a diagnosis and prescription, stop projecting because you fucked up and fucked yourself

>>130648714
I just avoid taking them when I have no work, basically holidays and after school. Works fine for me

Been on adderal for two weeks. I'm in my 30s and I wish I started taking this a long time ago.
Just finished my second cup of Cody and my next dose is in 3 hours. 2x 10mg per day. Haven't experienced any adverse side effects. I've been getting good squat pumps at the gym, so test levels have been higher than usual. I know this because I'm horny as fuck and get boners that may split my wife in two.

>>130648818
>finland said speed is better than alcohol, and thats just mental in my opinion
Of course, I don't agree with that either, however a drug being addicting doesn't mean you end up taking a bottle a day. That's pure mental illness.

>>130648906
Cody=coffee

>>130648633
I didn't even keep it for two days.
I took the lowest dosage possible for the 12 hour time released tablet and even than I was still falling asleep at times.
This drug saved my life, if not I'd be comparable to a narcoleptic.

>>130648481
I got lucky in that i was never in medical danger, but did have a similar thing where I was straight up talking to myself and giggling one time. didn't worry me, obviously, because the 80 mg had me high as fuck feeling like a champ. now I just have a cool memory of the few hours I spent living in the mind of a schizo.

>>130648844
I'm not saying that everyone should take it. It's only beneficial to people with ADHD and other related disorders. It's harmful to people without it.

>>130648944
Sounds like you got narcolepsy and not ADHD, either way stimulants help you keep awake, so they'll likely help in that way.

>>130643449
Man. I second the long wank/sex sessions.

>>130648906
the honeymoon will end soon, don't get too attached or romantic about it

>>130640847
>>130639720
People equating amphetamine to methamphetamine here don't k ow what they're talking about.

T. Former meth addict

if a person uses a drug regularly during an activity the body will associate that activity with that drug.

>>130649076
that's nothing, i've jacked off for 2 days on meth.

Ive been using 4x 10mg / day for a month now. Its like i see everything for the first time, feel so awake. Also busy all day long, constantly working on jobs/chores/studies. Lost appetite at first but quickly recovered after 2 weeks so its all good to me

>>130648529

Your body does not naturally produce amphetamines

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>add
>adhd
Westerners make me laugh.

>>130649210
Your body naturally releases dopamine. Adderall is taken to release dopamine in a certain way to help alleviate ADHD symptoms.

>>130638117
I took 30mg of adderall extended release daily for most of my childhood/teenage years. Never had any negative side effects. I got all my homework done in the 5 minutes between receiving my homework and the class ending. It was incredible.

>>130649121
meth is certainly worse, but not by much. if you pop adderal every 3 hours for a few days you will be spun like a motherfucker and end up in jail/hospital in no time. meth just gets you spun quicker.

>>130638667
This, and them they prescribed me with stuff for bipolar or schizo crap.

Was a waking nightmare.

Worst part though is the feeling that you have to do this because you never wanted to be a bad kid in school.

>>130649121
b-b-but the chemical structure is the same so i know how potent and addictive it is more than someone who has experienced them both ablooblooblooblobloboo

>>130648480
It varies person to person. For me, meth doesn't begin outing the shadow people until about 50 hours in.
With a-PHP(my DOC for rec stims), it takes about 36-40 hours. After only 24 or so hours, I get that "music playing in the distance" shit going on.

Beginning after about 50+ hours, everything around me gains an enhanced 3D look. Smoke/dust floats through the air, and any type of display/monitors have a sparkling magical appearance. I once heard cash-for-gold ads coming out of a cooling fan I had set up. I KNEW FOR A FACT that fan was trying to sell me fucking gold. Because when I turned the fan off, the sound went away, right? TEE HEE
On day 6 is when I start to reach the limit. Unless I stay on top of dosing, sleep tries to take over within seconds. I feel like a wall of fatigue kicks me right in the gut. I'll take another draw from the burner and it goes away, but then I look at myself in the mirror and I don't see myself. I see someone else, as though I'm viewing the world through the eyes of a stranger.

That's when I call it a day. I begin tapering my doses, and start drinking from my ice-cold ales I have for the crash. I allow sanity to return to me via a relaxing shower, the aforementioned ales, some beautiful music(orchestral/classical), and finally, a bit of ramen and sleep.

It's hardcore, and it takes a tough mind to handle this, but if you can handle it, it's the ultimate redpill. EVERYTHING crystallizes into purity. What is and is not becomes very simple.

>>130649210
"amphetamine" is irrelevant, dopamine is what is in play here, and some people have shit levels of it.

>>130649121
never tried meth but I totally believe you. I think cocaine is an apt equation though

I work at a college and I found a few 30mg gell caps last year. Full disclosure, I'm and a middle aged Janitor that has never been able to accomplish anything in life. I don't consider myself dumb; I'm actually a "Jack of all trades" type dude. I can't focus for shit so I haven't been able to advance in any of the things I'm relatively good at.

Anyway, I split the pills into 15mg doses and took them for a week. All I could think during that time is "this is what normal must feel like". I didn't feel all jacked up or overly energetic; it was just like a fog had cleared and my thoughts slowed down enough to be able to process everything.

I'd like to go see a doc and try to get a script, but I don't want to seem like a desperate pill popper. I heard a lot of docs won't even prescribe it now and you have to get it from a shrink.

>>130649117
What medical school did you get your PhD at?

>>130649329
the problem is people equate taking it like that with any kind of use or consider that level to be only a matter of time for anyone who touches it
a single XR dose a day can be done for a very long time before screws get loose, and that's plenty for an 8 hour job to and from

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>>130649575
bitches don't know bout otc amphetamine analogs

>>130649384
well it wasn't always like that for me. when i first started using meth i could go about 2 days until shadow people showed up etc. i could go maybe 3 days without getting into trouble. it because where i could only use it for about 15 hours before i started seeing shadow people and everything else. anything past 24 hours they shadow people would start to threaten me and play games with me. it was only pleasant for a short period of time. after 3 days of being awake i would end up in jail/hospital.

be careful, these drugs do change you forever.

t. former meth user

>>130648480
what do the shadow people do

>>130638117
They kill your dopamine receptors. Enjoy nihilism

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>>130647820
There is left handed and right handed amphetamine. Adderall is 25% left handed and 75% right handed.
It's called "amphetamines" or "amphetamine salt combination" because they use different salts to make it and to mix it in the right proportion, but the active ingredient is still the same.

Methamphetamine is a similar structure, just methylated on the terminal amino group. Left handed meth is a great nasal decongestant but doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier. Right handed meth will fuck you up. Literally will kill brain cells by depleting them of dopamine/flooding other cells' receptors with dopamine.
>>130649575
Caffeine can type you over. Sudafed can help, actually. But see a shrink and just tell him you've had these symptoms you're whole life (honestly). Be cautious about mentioning the fact that you took it illicitly, but the honesty may make him believe you. Make sure to see an adult psychiatrist who specializes in ADHD treatment.

>>130644956
oh my god its just like meth
ive only tested it im not stupid

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>>130650158
Oh look, someone who doesn't know anything.

>>130649645
um, not playing doctor, just telling you the magic feeling is temporary based on my experience taking it. taking it much longer than you. i'm saying you might get burned if you keep trying to chase the same feelings as you've been having since you've just started.

>>130648280
If I lived where you lived with those options I wouldn't even bother
I got myself an adderall prescription in highschool and I regret it

>>130650158
non fiend pharmaceutical doses are neuroprotective
so no more than 30MG at a time

>>130650057
they are ghosts basically. they are shadowy and can appear ANYWHERE. they can move through walls, follow you and talk to you etc.

everyone reacts differently too them, but the longer you use meth or adderall the scarier they become. they are not your fucking friends. they can appear as smokey figures fading in and out of reality itself, or they can appear as solid human figures. they can appear as police officers or serial killers and talk to you and stalk you. since you will be insane at the time, you will think they are real.

they can get much worse than that, i've had shadow people threaten to kill my family and friends etc. i've heard shadow people through the walls "raping babies" in my neghboors house.

>>130650337
got any source on that? I don't believe it, not gonna lie

>>130650192
ok then well if aderall is 1/4 left and 3/4 right and ..
r3ioght kills you
what teh fufk is good then? juste.. fuck your fuckign both noone caresa nd i hope you both die

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>>130650006
I have pharmacology training and I'm an orgo.
I know all too well. That's why I've always been very careful. I've been into stims and psychs for over a decade.

LSD still holds the sweet place in my heart. Stims might be awesome, but nothing is as awesome as the lysergamides.

>>130648795

Pretty much the exact same experience I had. It was prescribed to me by an unscrupulous psychiatrist... he should have treated me for depression, instead he suggested I had "adult ADD" and put me on the magic pills. They caused me to lose thirty pounds in a few months and become extremely paranoid and manic. Basically I would feel amazing all morning and afternoon, then when the pill wore off around 5 I would crash and be miserable.

Anyway I got off of them and switched to a new doctor. New doctor said my symptoms sounded more like depression, and gave me Wellbutrin to fight the depression. Wellbutrin I believe should be used to treat people recovering from amphetamine usage. It's a dopamine reuptake inhibitor, and helps to rebalance neurochemistry which can become very fucked up after long term amphetamine use. I then got back in the gym, gained my weight back to normal levels, and finally started feeling normal again after about eight months.

Do NOT take these pills. Especially if you have an addictive personality. It's not worth it. Explore other options - sometimes it's depression, not ADD. Sometimes all you need is diet and exercise. Just don't take them.

>>130648874
I did get a diagnosis and prescription. Adderall is an addictive drug, and doctors know this, yet all I had to do is say "it's not working anymore" and they would up the dosage. Stop trying to justify your degenerate addiction speed freak.

>>130650445
can't dig out a source, but to elaborate, it's not the amphetamine itself, it's the effect of a low dose of the drug that causes the brain to do things to protect itself during strain. though at a certain point this is negated.

>>130649486
The real issue is the sensitivity of the dopamine receptors, it seems. These are the genetic variants that seem to confer genetically dominant ADHD. ADHD is strongly hereditary, about 40% of children with one ADHD parent will have ADHD.
One of my parents has ADHD and all their siblings are diagnosed. All the cousins on that side have it. Everyone is super smart (one cousin went to Hunter high school on Manhattan for explanation). My family is huge and more than half of us are diagnosed - the others have it but are in denial.
Half of the cousins through the other parent have ADHD as well, probably a couple undiagnosed (one, the psychitist tried to diagnose them with ASD, fucking NO, Clearly ADHD, dumbass shrinks). That parent and their siblings are all undiagnosed, but I only think one or two half ADHD (not my parent, but they may be an example of incomplete penetrance).
Grandpa on that side is a bro, and he definitely has ADHD. Other grandpa I never met but all the signs were there.
Basically the solution is crude - our dopamine receptors or ruptake is broken or deficient, so the CNS stimulants jack up the amount of dopamine released or stimulate the receptors themselves.
Prolonged treatment can allow the pathways of the pre-frontal cortex to develop normally, which is why you hear so many people complain that their parents drugged them and they finally kicked the drugs and got their acts together - the neural pathways were allowed to develop properly because they were treated early, but the appetite suppression needs to be monitored as it can cause malnutrituon and reduced adult height.

>>130650608
Gtfo Ali

>>130650417
it's so weird that our brain can conjure stuff like that, so realistic that it's indistinguishable from a real person. really makes you wonder if the only difference between a meth trip and normal life is the duration of the hallucination

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>>130650674
>all this projection
Really makes me think.

>>130650674
That's because for some people more is needed, what you have to say is you have too many side effects, your economy can't handle it or it's doing more harm than use.

>>130638117
They are a miracle drug, that's why the government regulates it so harshly.

>>130650644
Welbutrin is a subbed-cathinone.
Great medicine for those like your case. It's a weak stim, that's not at all suited for any addictive recreational use, but is very well suited for just, and only just, boosting dopamine and norepinephrine levels. Sometimes just a slight boost is all one needs to get the ball rolling.

NO drug is safe for long-term/habitual use. Bear that in mind. Not even a simple aspirin is safe in this manner.

>>130646975
Everyone has add and ADHD fucking retard it's all bullshit

>>130650674
you're projecting yourself onto me
you chose to tell them it's not working anymore, you know what you wanted, and personally i've gotten very little recreational enjoyment from them at all, i actually look forward to being off it. one 20MG xr a work day is plenty for me since i genuinely just want a moderate bit of focus and am actually not a subversive fiend like you

Spent about 2 years on it as a teen. Made me unbelievably horny.

>>130650755
I guess I could buy it - like theoretically, if the dopamine facilitation outpaced the desensitization of dopaminergic neurons it could help reinforce good pathways - but that's a big if

>>130651031
If I got to have sex, it would have been top notch. But just sniffing panties was godly.

>>130647200
Dumbass. A bump of really good REAL cocaine will last 5+ hours. Youve probably been snorting meth.

>>130650445
Standard of care suggests a maximum dose of 30mg extended release combined with 30mg immediate release in one dose, with a booster of 30mg 4-6 hours later. I'm very tall, I weigh 250 pounds, and I have a monster liver.
My first dose was 30mg and I didn't notice it. Then went up to 45mg and found out how magical it is to be at peace with the world and take care of niggling problems.

Resistance + liver + size + male = I take 70mg Vyvanse (equivalent to 30mg dextroamphetamine) and 60mg IR daily. I could probably take 90mg IR daily with 30mg IR adderall daily and sleep and function fine. My dopamine receptors must seriously not function, and my liver and kidneys must clear that shit ASAP. Plus I have a large volume of distribution. (Donating a double unit of blood doesn't bug me. I feel great after.)
>>130650644
I'm glad you found a regimen that helps you. CNS stimulants are useful in treating treatment resistant depression, though.

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>>130638117
>adderall
>>130645365
>Provigil
>>130646741
>Ritalin
>>130647432
>concerta
>>130647555
>Vyvanse
Pussies

>>130651207
Bro science. Doesn't meth have a long assed halflife?

>>130651207
i've done cocaine right off of a fucking brick and it only lasted about 20 minutes.

>>130651207
really? to be clear i've only heard, but the most i've heard is someone snorting an entire gram of 80s coke which lasted around an hour or maybe two. i have a hunch you're actually the one snorting meth. seriously, "a bump"?

when i was little, like in high school,some retards these people i knew at about age 14-15 started doing meth
its when they I found out about it. It was cocaine then not long after meth. and crystal meth. I didnt do it, but these idiots would. they came aro9und me but didnt hang out with me they where younger anyway.

the point is, since they started doing it in high school. over 10 years later, all the same people who where on it then, younger than me, still are on it. maybe not all the time but, they do it, a lot

i dont. i think them startign doing it in high school made them addcited

i think the teachers aka cops they had in that school, took notice of this, and made this new medical treatment up for you all
to be addicted to what they place you in jail for
http://www.wkyt.com/content/news/Laurel-Co-children-found-in-home-with-deplorable-living-conditions-418034673.html

>>130650971
7.2%
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2015/02/24/peds.2014-3482

>>130649277

This

>>130651276
Meth is metabolized to amphetamine, so in addition to being a super potent dopaminergic CNS stimulant, it's a prodrug that is converted to amphetamine and continues to have effects on you.

>>130648164


>not having a prescription for both adderall and vyvanse

It's like you're not even trying.

>>130650952
Miracle drug for the 7% of us who have it. It's an assistive drug with serious potential for abuse, addiction, and long-term damage for the other 93%.
Fact: most persons with untreated ADHD who also have substance abuse disorders (smoking, alcohol, heroin, weed, etc.) go into remission immediately once treated with CNS stimulants. The only exception is meth because they've killed their pre-frontal cortex through years of abuse.

>>130648906
>in his 30's
>high test
Sorry bud, pick one

>>130648795

>Wasn't worth it. And in retrospect, my behaviour was really fucked up when I was on it. Destroyed a lot of friendships, wasted a lot of money.

this. I groan out loud in embarrassment thinking about some of the stuff i did on adderall.

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>>130652009
Hahaha Adelaide + Vivian master race.

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>>130652009
Tell me your secrets.

It's pharmaceutical meth; and it's a fucking cash cow not unlike the pharmaceutical heroine epidemic that's swept over the nation.

Giving either of these substances to a developing body, that is to say giving it to children, is insane. The physical effects are clear enough, even in adults. I shudder to think of the permanent psychological effects these substances will cause for people.

GG US political corruption. Thank Obummer.

>>130652512
No, this is >>130651268
Get a clue m8

>>130652556
The only difference is marketability. US pharmaceuticals is a business. Welcome to reality, fgt.

>>130652009
you are using 2 different doctors obviously, but you can get "caught" doing that because all schedule ll scripts the pharmacist will have a list off and will call your doctor if you get caught

>>130651014
>I'm a functional speed freak
You're one step away from stumbling through the streets in tattered clothes mumbling about being emporer of Antarctica while people pretend not to see you. But you don't know it, and I don't expect to reason with a junkie.

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>>130652512
https://www.drugs.com/pro/desoxyn.html
I think you mean Desoxyn.
Adderall is a 75/25 dextro/levo mix of regular amphetamine. Similar drugs, but much less potent and much less dangerous than meth.

>>130652695
>The only difference is marketability
Oh, you're just retarded. I thought you were just lacking info, sorry I replied.

>>130652758
Nope. My scripts come from the same doctor. Some doctors aren't afraid to prescribe a long acting and a short acting CNS stimulant if they think their patient needs it.

>>130652695
>being this ignorant of basic chemistry

Sounds like you need to try some adderal so you can stay awake in class

>>130652771
>>130652795

>I don't know how to sell parents on giving amphetamines to their pre-pubescent children on a daily basis with the intention that they consume it well into adulthood

Good job, retards.

>>130648795
>>130650644
>>130652290
I think you three were misdiagnosed. I'm terribly sorry. My behavior is far less embarrassing medicated than when I'm not.

>>130652931
Who here is saying give it to kids? Read the thread you absolute moron.

I know Adderall is next to impossible to get in Germany.

How well does Ritalin work? I might just have ADHD anyway, can never focus for more than 30 minutes.

Any germanbros able to tell me what to tell my doc for him to give me anything like Adderall?

>>130652846
well it's not illegal to do so, but most doctors are scared shitless today to even write for 20 percocet because they think the DEA is going to kick their door in. amphetamines are different because the DEA is mostly cracking down on opiates, but still there is some risk there. doctors will always prescribe you whatever you need if they feel you really need it. the more they prescribe, the greater the risk to them etc.

>>130653013
I say you should give it to kids because it will reduce their need for the drugs later in life and their brains will develop more normally, and they will succeed in school when they otherwise might not have, and succeed in personal relationships. They'll be happier.

Of course be careful, doses should be strictly monitored and they need frequent holidays to ensure they're getting sufficient nutrition.

>>130652771
>Similar drugs, but much less potent and much less dangerous than meth
This is fucking stupid. It's not less dangerous than meth. They're effectively the same substance, they do the same exact thing the same exact way. The only difference is meth has much finer molecules, allowing it to bypass the blood-brain barrier more easily. Since it's medically used for its effects on the brain, that means a therapeutic dose of meth will have much smaller side-effects since the dose is smaller and the effects on the body is lesser.

Meth is only more dangerous when abused, and for that exact reason. The acute effects limiting your dosage are all about your body, meaning with meth you will have a much, much higher concentration in your brain. A concentration you can not achieve with amphetamine without your heart going bust. Around 7 times higher if I remember correctly.

In no fucking way is a therapeutic dose of amphetamine healthier than a therapeutic dose of meth. In no way. It's the other way around.

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goddamn OP I was licking my lips and wishing i had those orange things crushed on my desk and eventually up my nasal cavity.

It's been a good 3 years since I had a decent contact that hooked me up with stims. Since I'm in my 30s now, its becoming increasingly difficult to find. Now I just overpay for shit like Optimind which is no where near as good, but does the trick imhofam.

>>130653038
>I know Adderall is next to impossible to get in Germany.
Adderall is schedule I (no legitimative medical use in the US schedule) in most of the EU. Netherlands and Italy are exceptions? I think.
>How well does Ritalin work? I might just have ADHD anyway, can never focus for more than 30 minutes.
Slightly worse than Adderall, with more side effects. On average. Pretty effective overall.
>Any germanbros able to tell me what to tell my doc for him to give me anything like Adderall?
Accurate and honest childhood to adulthood history of trouble focusing, speaking out of turn, inappropriate outbursts, academic and personal failures despite effort, constant procrastination, and bewilderment as to the cause of these things.
>>130653070
Fuck the war on drugs. Opiates are way overprescribed, but yeah, CNS stimulants are dangerous and docs who write scripts for them like candy are in serious danger of DEA investigation. If they document properly and well, their asses are covered.

>>130638117
been on some type of stimulant since the 90s.

prescribed 120mg/daily of adderall

have had 24hour periods where ive taken in excess of 500mg

its great for sex too.

>>130653038
Heroin is better anyway.

>>130653070
why doesnt the dea since they seem to be doing that all the time
never raid my local police department. they ahve for a decade every 6 months get their drug evidence room robbed.

I wish Adderal/Ritalin was prescribed more freely in Germany. US-Doctors seem to throw them out like candy.

I have wasted years of my life by not learning and not doing reports I was supposed to do. My room is a mess and everything else is shit as well. Once, a distant friend gave me two of his Ritalin and I could actually learn for the rest of half a day.

Here you have to jump through a billion psych assesments though to get an adhd diagnosis. I'm probably only vaguely on the spectrum, so I'd have to act.

Maybe, I'll get myself some meth next time.

>>130647749
Harry, is that you?

>>130653309
>meth is only dangerous when abused
No, meth is dangerous because it's often created in labs with different variables of chemicals that change from any given second. Can be mixed wrong and/or cooked wrong.
Making a dose from one given instance, extremely deadly in the next. Either by literally destroying the body or figuratively putting you in a state where you hurt yourself.
Meth is no therapeutic, as even the smallest dosage is exponentially more powerful than the largest dosage that can be prescribed of any "legal" drug.
The cost to make meth in such a form would also be a complete waste.

There is a reason why doctors do not prescribe Meth, fucking use your brain.

>>130651268
i used to get 5mg desoxyn. really smooth. too smooth almost. worked really well when combo w adderall or dexedrine.

>>130638117
Adhd is a form of evolution. They mind is able to process several times more information and switch tasks effectively.

>>130653509
it's an inside job if your polices evidence room is getting robbed. i'm sure the fbi will be paying them a visit soon.

>>130653412
DEA isn't interested in legit doctors prescribing drugs; provided they keep documents etc. what they look for are the faggots who are:

>everyone of their patients is getting 120 30mg adderal
>every patient is also given another amphetamine

yeah they are certainly going to end up in prison for that. high doses should only be given to a few patients, but crooked doctors just give max doses to everyone.

>>130653309
>This is fucking stupid. It's not less dangerous than meth. They're effectively the same substance, they do the same exact thing the same exact way.
Meth is neurotoxic. Amphetamine is not. They are very similar substances with similar effects, but meth is far more potent.
>The only difference is meth has much finer molecules, allowing it to bypass the blood-brain barrier more easily.
No, meth binds much more tightly at the synaptic cleft and prevents reuptake of norepinephrine, serotonin, and dopamine much, much more severely than amphetamine. Same basic mechanism of action, but it's like the difference between morphine and hydromorphone.
>Since it's medically used for its effects on the brain, that means a therapeutic dose of meth will have much smaller side-effects since the dose is smaller and the effects on the body is lesser.
Fentanyl suppresses respiratory drive far more than heroin. This kills people in the US, since dealers cut heroin with cheaper fentanyl. They take their same gram dosage and then asphyxiate. Hell, they can calculate it out to get the same high, but the fentanyl still lowers respiratory drive more than morphine or heroin at equivalent doses for psychotropic effects.
>Meth is only more dangerous when abused, and for that exact reason. The acute effects limiting your dosage are all about your body, meaning with meth you will have a much, much higher concentration in your brain.
Meth is more dangerous because lower concentrations of it can cause massive dumps of neurotransmitters and the brain cells kill themselves trying to pump the neurotransmitters back in, and in responding to the unending signal in the synaptic cleft that has been flooded.
>A concentration you can not achieve with amphetamine without your heart going bust. Around 7 times higher if I remember correctly.
It's hard to take enough amphetamine to cause damage because of how much less potent it is, yes.

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Very useful if you are responsible with it (I program for DoD), rather than silly stuff like party

>>130638117
Only retards and low energy beta faggots need uppers.

>>130653867
LOL task-switching is shit in ADHD, at least willful, directed task-switching.
>>130653929
Yeah fuck those guys. They make my life a pain and make it hard for me to get my meds. They're scumbag drug dealers. Fuck them.

>>130654115
Nice observation!

>>130650775
>the neural pathways were allowed to develop properly because they were treated early
well fuck. i feel stupid, I stopped taking that shit and wish i would have kept on. In my older age is this shit still correctable or would i have to hop on and stay on? I have zero motavation to do anything with my self and i was diagnosesd with add. I dont give a shit if i'm abusing it. All i know is i still live at home at 29 and if it helps me fix my shit i want it

>>130654183
It can be life-changing. And yes, in older age, it's still correctable. Ten years of well-manages drug therapy combined with cognitive behavioral therapy and behavioral modifications and you could find yourself back on your feet.

People accuse 4chan of being autistic but it's super clear from the fast pace and constant changing of topics that I'd bet 20-40% of hardcore channers minimum have ADHD.

>>130653717
They do. You can incompetently try to cook up any drug in a trailer, that's not an argument.
>>130654005
>high dose
>high dose
>high dose
>high dose
I guess it's my fault only bothering to write out "therapeutic dose" thrice.
>It's hard to take enough amphetamine to cause damage because of how much less potent it is, yes.
And because it has a much greater effect on your body for any given neurological effect. You would fuck up your heart long before you reached the effective dosage some methheads take, were you to use amphetamine.
Congratulations, you've addressed nothing and only sidestepped my point.

>>130654183
At this point, where you are now in your life, what have you got to lose?

>>130654069
lol someone has not been taking all their doses but still filling every month. Good on you! It's nice to take holidays and it's good to have a backup stockpile for emergencies.

>>130654069
>6 bottles of it
>not partying with it
ok you're obviously selling it

>>130650775
>dopamine receptors or ruptake is broken or deficient, so the CNS stimulants jack up the amount of dopamine released or stimulate the receptors themselves.

also this i did some light reseach on this and it kinda makes sense now why im low energey depressed 24/7. Only time im happy is if im on some kinds stim or Adrenalin

>>130654488
If he was selling his own prescription and taking them he wouldn't have any. He's just saving them, I do the same thing although nowhere near as much as that.

>>130654488
Lol no, that would make a very awkward polygraph
>>130654477
Bingo. Great if i ever am stationed overseas.

>>130652762
lol i guess it's easier for you to believe that and just blame the drug like it's inherently evil instead of taking responsibility for yourself

>>130654373
>pace and constant changing of topics that I'd bet 20-40% of hardcore channers minimum have ADHD.
That is the reason why im still here.

>>130638667
so i can take adderall to stop being a fat fuck? sounds like a pretty good solution to me

>>130654603
i didn't realize they let you take controlled substances without permission? lol i don't care, and if you are good at your job they will not care either. obviously you are not making a fuss at work or acting strange. i guess it depends on what company you work for if your boss/company cares.

>visit american friends
>They all have piles of drugs in their homes, it's like a fucking pharmacy
It's disturbing how medicated americans are.

>>130654765
It is prescribed for obesity, but you might end up getting something less enjoyable than Adderall though if that's your only reason.

>>130654770
I was "diagnosed" with ADD after punching too many kids in elementary school. I'm also a civilian, so less stricter rules.
>>130654765
While it makes you super not hungry and very thirsty, i wouldn't recommend it for that purpose. When you get hungry just drink water and you will lose weighy in no time.

>>130654765
amphetamines are hands down the easiest and fastest way to lose weight. you must be careful with it though. it's not a drug to play with.

>>130654394
>no citations the post
>>130654394
>And because it has a much greater effect on your body for any given neurological effect. You would fuck up your heart long before you reached the effective dosage some methheads take, were you to use amphetamine.
If you need a dosage so high that it would require you to take more than 50mgs of amphetamine to achieve the desired goal, your doctor is a fucktard and should have been looking into other reasons for your condition.
50mg(s) is a shit ton of a drug to take in one sitting. I was taking 5mg of Concerta and had achieved the desired effects and I have chronic insomnia.
You're telling me as someone who has regular fatigue, tiredness, inability to focus, and general lethargic behavior that I should take a drug that even at its smallest dosage is more than x10 more powerful than the dosage I'm taking now that is proven to work?
You seriously think that people who take 10mg of Desoxyn is safer than 10mg of any amphetamine regularly?

You're fucked if you think so. 10mg of Desosyn would have most people tripping the fuck out on their first dosage. While 10mg of Concerta would have you maybe feeling like you just had a coffee.

>>130638117
40mg made me feel like shit too
I just lowered my dose and sold what was left over to college kids. Obviously quitting outright when your brain got used to it at a young age is going to give you bad side effects...

>>130655263
Doesn't it permanently damage your brain at such a young age?
God damn I love my mom for pulling me off that after a few days.

>>130654603
Or if your insurance stops contracting with your psychiatrist. Or if you psychiatrist goes on vacation. Or if you lose your insurance. Or if you psychiatrists decides you need to lower your dose and he's wrong. Or most commonly, if you forget to refill your fucking scripts.
>>130655011
Weight loss is a legitimate indication to prescribe them. But it's only initial. You have to make sure the patient is eating properly while they're appetite is low, and eventually their appetite will rebound.
>>130654765
See above.
>>130654763
Haha yup.

>>130655677
No. Prolonged therapy can improve brain function and eliminate your need for the drug. The primary concern is malnutrition due to appetite suppression.

>>130638117
It's literally Meth
Meth and adderall are the exact same thing adderal is just legally prescribed
All the college kids popping aderall are literal meth heads and think they aren't shit.
At least meth heads know they are meth heads Don't fool yourself you fucking tweakers

>>130655861
Ah yeah. Poor kids must look like they came out of north korea.

>>130655939
see
>>130646209

educate yourself

>>130656212
You're so fucking dumb
opiates and amphetamines are all the same shit
Heroin/opium/morphine=same shit
amphetamine/methamphetamine= same shit
They just throw in some pointless filler to change them chemical name to make it look like they aren't selling legal meth.
But if it makes you feel like you aren't a tweaker keep telling yourself that.

>>130638117
turned me into a zombie. changed me from a 180 8th grader to a 140 pound stick. It's honestly just legal speed

>>130638117
Wish i could get so easily as you americans.

>>130656514
>opiates and amphetamines are all the same shit
lol
b8

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over 9000 hours in paint

Is modafidil a better solution ?

>>130656514
>is dumb
>calls everyone else dumb when disagreed with

like pottery

>>130654477
>>130654603
i just counted and i have over a year of vyvanse stored up

>>130656741
>>130656625
>Tweakers trying to act like it's medicine
Bitch it is so early in the morning for an American to be on /pol/
I know why I'm here what's your excuse?

>>130643449
u feel anti social

>>130655861
I just wouldnt give it to kids on principle, it seems like a bad call. There are medications that can help with dopamine and are not amphetamines. I got myself a script for adderall but only because my motivation is fucked from previous addictions. If I had ADD as a kid nobody noticed it because I didn't have to pay much attention to get by in school.

>>130652695
>The only difference is marketability

Not true. And as odious as big pharma may be, they're still not the mexican drug cartels.

Vyvanse is OK. I do notice I feel "off" on days I don't take it, so I may be building up a little dependency. It's also possible that my normal state was just that bad but I don't remember.

Doesn't affect my sleep patterns much if at all.

I normally don't take it at least one day a week.

It improves my tolerance for tedious activities and my social functioning, but it's not a panacea for ADD. I notice I have better executive functioning overall. I'm less prone to procrastination, and inappropriate outbursts. I'm better at doing the little things like making it to appointments and keeping the bills paid - but still not normie level.

I still physically need regular exercise to feel all the way "right". I honestly wish my parents had medicated me earlier in life when I was first diagnosed.

Anyone experiencing some of the side effects here probably doesn't have actual ADD. It actually smooths me out and lowers my general anxiety level. The worst side-effect I get is that it takes me longer to get off when I'm having sex. It's actually less toxic than drinking 6-12 cups of coffee or sodas per day which was what I was doing to self-medicate prior to going on the meds.

I wouldn't give adderall to anyone. It's awful stuff, IMO.

>>130640847
Uni fag here. Experimented with both ritalin and modafinil to get through engineering - ritalin i obtained through my friend who used to have a prescription for it (now on Concerta).

Ritalin gets you wired as fuck, much closer to cocaine than anything else but you're also razor sharp and feel like a motherfucking genius. Sadly it fucks with dopamine more than other smart drugs so essentially it could develop a problem.

Modafinil is much lighter on the other hand but the effects last longer so you have to be very tactical with the dosage times if you want to preserve your circadian rhythm.

Still can't believe they prescribe that shit to kids, no wonder stimulant use is up nowadays.

>>130656845
I tried Vyvanse once. Instead of making me program at the speed of light for a day, it made me want to kill myself for a few hours.
I think I still have the untouched bottle somewhere lol.
>>130657041
It's great if you know how to exploit it, and constrain your usage. One a month unless shit hits the fan.

This shit is the devil's drug.
>t. dude who's friend went from adds to crack to meth
>t. dude who's other friend lost connection with reality and an heroed cuz of adds

>>130655939

I'm on meth right now and it definitely doesn't feel like adderall. I can sleep and ignore dumbass posts like yours on just adderall.

>>130638117
>>>130647748
>>what is pvp/php anyway?
>If amphetamine is about a 5 on the stim scale, and meth is a 9, crack a 10...
>Vaped a-PHP is an 11, vaped a-PVP is a 13, and vaped MDPV is a solid 15. That's on a scale of 0-10.
>Pyrovalerones are VERY potent stimulants, that are extremely morish and can easily lead to insanity. Very tough nuts to crack. You need a strong mind to handle them and even then you're in for a hard ride.
>For most people they'd be pure hedonistic wastes that end in the psych ward/jail. For people who can appreciate batshit insanity and lots of fucking shadow people, they're fucking awesome. Nothing else in this world can match them toe-to-toe for how powerful they are as stimulants. Not even methamphetamine.


Aware me on shadow people. You mean when you start to alucinate that shadows, fir instance, when you quickly turn your head, are people?

I want to lose weight but am too lazy for diet and exercise. Will adderall work for me?

>>130657205
The only 1 difference is that Adderall is weaker because they cut the pills with filler and they are designed to wear off quicker. Adderall is the shit consumerized version of meth. Way more expensive doesn't last as long of feel as good.
But fucks up your mind and body all the same. But amphetamine is amphetamine.

>>130657198
Devil's drug? Pretty much all downers , from heroin to alcohol, are harder and more dangerous to quit than meth. You can run out and eat and sleep for a few days boo hoo it's nothing like the literal enslavement of something that can kill you if you quit cold turkey.

>>130638117
Worked great for me in high school/early college.

Tried it again recently and it started to give me heart arrhythmia if I had any kind of caffeine like coffee. Immediately got off it.

Been on SSRIs for a decade, decided I had enough and got my doctor to lower the perscription and consulted him on how to ween myself off of it.

After the initial withdrawal side effects (move your eyes too fast to focus on something new and suddenly feel dizzy as fuck mostly) when they were their worst for the first two weeks, I noticed I actually had a sex drive for the first time since I was a teenager to the point that my dick simply wouldn't stop being hard after fapping. That made me realize exactly what those SSRIs did to me.

>>130657041
>I do notice I feel "off" on days I don't take it, so I may be building up a little dependency. It's also possible that my normal state was just that bad but I don't remember.
>Doesn't affect my sleep patterns much if at all.
>I normally don't take it at least one day a week.
same here. typically dont take it on weekends and i feel like i barely get off the couch on those days.

>>130657191
>I tried Vyvanse once. Instead of making me program at the speed of light for a day, it made me want to kill myself for a few hours.
ha, makes me program at the speed of light. i was always prescribed vyvanse, in different dosages, so i wonder if that has anything to do with it.

the worst is when im in the elevator up to work and realize right then that i forgot to take it before i left, and know its going to be a day of random clicking on my mouse and hanging out on the bowl to pass the time away.

>>130657529
No man, one molecule makes all the difference in the world. I bet thinking like this is the reason the "gateway drug" meme exists. If it's the same then why not right?

>>130657752
>the worst is when im in the elevator up to work and realize right then that i forgot to take it before i left, and know its going to be a day of random clicking on my mouse and hanging out on the bowl to pass the time away.

Leave a few pills in your desk for the days you forget to take it?

I am taking ritalin atm what is the difference between the two? Is ritalins chemical structure similar to meth as well?

>>130657734
dont mix with coffee bro, i have made that mistake too many times
>>130657773
Anything can be a gateway drug if you have no responsibility.

People chug that shit at the uni, you can see them all hype up exam week, burning up in cold ac room.

Never tried it personally, but it fucks up your brain, idiopathic loss of dopamine producing capacity

>>130657947
Dextroamphetamine is the kind that's in Adderall/Vyvanse that makes you high/euphoric. Ritalin doesn't have that iirc.

>>130658127
Meaning ?

>>130658220
Ritalin is less fun to use. Adderall has a higher chance of abuse, because it feels really really good to use it compared to ritalin or methylphenidate,

>>130658220
Meaning it's not as enjoyable or addictive (in theory). That's why it's more commonly prescribed to children instead of Adderall. I've never taken Ritalin but from experiences I've read it seems to have a more zombifying effect.

>>130657904
that is what i do, or did at least. had old pills of a different dosage in my desk drawer for these situations. i know i did at my old job, i think i still do at current job. part of the problem is its not always crystal clear if i forgot to take the pill in the morning, or if i thought i forgot to take the pill, and don't want adverse cardio/cns effects

>>130638117
>In italy it’s fairly impossible to get a prescription for adderall
>In the USA they give out drugs and antidepressants like candies

Kek

>>130657773
It really doesn't in this case.
You will find no demonstrable differences between Meth and amphetamine besides the dosage.
If you did as much adderall in a small time period as you are capable of doing of meth it would fuck you up as much. Meth absorbs into your blood instantly because of the methods of use.
You could put some meth in a pill capsule and eat it and it will feel just like adderall because of the way its metabolized.

>>130658568
Yeah I know that, but it's way less likely to happen. If you were gonna abuse something that hard it doesn't matter what you're taking. If you could smoke Adderall that would be more plausible, but they make it so you can't for a reason.

>>130658398
Christ, I wish it was illegal to give young children this shit.

I remember feeling amazing the first time

It makes you shit your brains out daily

Quitting was next to impossible

>>130658813
I know a dude whos has done adderall since he was around 10, hes completely fine now apart from being short, which might be because of the appetite suppression. But hes much more well rounded than I am, being diagnosed at 18, seems like it helped him develop better, or hes just less autistic than me.

>>130658813
Yeah I agree, yet people freak out if a kid has a beer? They shouldn't have beer either but it's a ridiculous double standard.

>>130638117
stimulant abuse can lead to psychosis, and it definitely will if you take larger doses (>20mg) regularly. any amount of daily use is abuse, no matter what your (((doctor))) tells you. the ADHD meme is only there to sell drugs and people love it because it's fun being high. don't be a sucker.

>>130640847
Cocaine doesn't make you productive it's just for fun.

>>130658568
I hope you're just baiting and not actually this dumb. If you get street amphetamine and snort it, snorting an equal dose of meth still feels more euphoric and lasts longer. I'm not a chemist but there's a reason that meth prescriptions in pill form are very rare.

>>130658980
More like reeeee two 7-year-old boys would rather move around and have fun instead of sit still? Must be ADHD!

>>130658568
in my experience a small dose of meth is indistinguishable from a larger dose of amphetamine.

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>>130659203
>Street amphetamine

>>130659203
The methyl moiety of methamphetamine makes it more lipid soluble. This allows meth to cross the blood-brain barrier faster, causing a faster and stronger effect.

>>130659574
I'm just saying, negating the fillers in the pill doesn't make it the same substance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fRB27kFOG0

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>>130659967
How have I not seen this lel

>>130659789

way to leave out the important part from where you read that

In addition, compared with amphetamine, MA has greater activity as a central nervous system (CNS) stimulant while having less peripheral nervous system and cardiovascular stimulation activity. Another difference between amphetamine and MA is that amphetamine stimulates the CNS indirectly by activating the release of catecholamines and inhibiting their breakdown and storage. In contrast, MA stimulates the postsynaptic catecholamine receptors directly.

>>130659789

good to see another chem major around here

>>130638117
>miracle drug
HA nah buddy it's just speed, I was on Xrs as a kid, proud to say i haven't been prescribed them in 5 years. Learn to act without it, trust me. You'll end up like a lot of people I know who can't function without it, aka they're fried.

anyone know how i can get cheap and safe adderral in the UK? not on prescription...

>>130653929
Fuck no. FBI hahah. whata joke. They run the drug running harder than anything in a communist state. The entire high school (((history))) teachers,
fbi, state cops everythign like that. Ends up (((mayor))) i wass told by his daughter im going to call it in law hed be mayor in 1st grade, i am smart was then said no they have elections. dumb bitch. she gave me this look and shook her head no and said no we dont gulp have elections.
teh drugs the guns. you tell me which theyre going to do and yes every 6 months that fucker is emptied the paper doesnt give a shit hahah fucking godamn jews
i am actuall related by marriage to him. Knew me well when i was a kid. Delivered a pizza to him once, he was real nice smiled to me, his wife, of coursei sgoing to be bought out
I just wished i took a camera with me everywhere i went. He gave me a 5 dollar tip, she gave him a mean look and walked away quickly knew shed bein trouble if i called her out there, was a bitch and walked off being one of thsese bitchy women anyone gives a fuck about what i think whores.

But that paper is shit he is bought out btw. must be. wife shows it.
>http://www.cbsnews.com/news/corrupt-kentucky-sheriff-brought-down-by-reporters/

>>130660348
Since it doesn't exist there you'll probably only be able to find garage make speed that is cut with god knows what. Come to freedom land m8

I took that stuff from fourth grade to junior year. I quit in my senior year and man did it fuck me up. I'm 22 now and still recovering from the side effects.
I also blame it for my apathy and lack of motivation. I feel like a husk. I remember being so full of energy before I was dosed with meth lite.

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I go to a technical university and it's far and away the drug of choice. Weed doesn't even come close. lots of people get kicked out/forced to leave for trying to kill themselves though so maybe that is partially because of adderall.

>>130638117
>>130638117
Methamphetamine gets metabolized into "adderall" before it ever reaches your brain. Essentially it is the same chemical. Adderall causes psychosis and is addictive. Giving it to children to help them with (((school work))) should be a crime. School is designed to make children depressed and dumbed down slaves.

Drugs won't solve your problems. They never do.

>>130659789
>>130659203
Also, because methamphetamine is faster on the uptake, more of it can be utilized before the liver begins processing it for removal. So where with amphetamine you might get a bioavailability of maybe 80-90%, with meth you can get a full 90-100% with ease. Especially when vaped or injected.

>>130660319
Chem major? He copied that word for word from google fool

http://methoide.fcm.arizona.edu/infocenter/index.cfm?stid=172

>>130651212
>70 mg vyvanse + 90 mg IR daily
You are a drug addict my friend

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>>130660319
The greatest science of the sciences, baby.

PS to anyone ITT that hasn't tried LSD/1P-LSD/ALD-52(they're all very much similar as the two latter seem to be merely prodrugs for the former), if you don't have mental illness shit going on, do yourself a favor and try a trip at least once in your life.

>>130660626
>Adderall causes psychosis
You say that like it's a guarantee, but in reality that only happens with heavy abuse and lots of sleep deprivation. Also you should read the posts in this thread talking about the differences between meth and vanilla amphetamines, you might find it interesting.

>>130660632

You can also binge on meth longer before you stop feeling the euphoria, which is why you see tweakers with sleep deprivation acting all crazy in the street but adderall users pass out before they get to that point.

>>130660904
Actually, you did the copying word for word up above.
I merely told people the common knowledge in chemistry that a methyl group will be more liposolvent.

But it doesn't matter. As long as people know the facts.

>>130660348
I heard you go through the same process of bullshitting your doctor but instead of our adderall which has amphetamine and dexedrine in it, they'll give you pure dexedrine (which is actually just as good if not better)

>>130661357
True story. About a year and a half ago, I binged on 5-MAPB. I was awake and lucid for about 5 days on that drug. Curiously this should not have been possible, as 5-MAPB has little dopaminergic or adrenergic activity, being a serotonin releaser.
Not only did I not suffer any after effects to this binge, my sleeping habits improved for several months afterward.

By rights I should have had severe serotonin issues. But I didn't. I still can't explain it, but MAYBE for the fact that I took enough supplements and food in during the binge to negate the 5-HT deficiency that should have occurred.

I'm lucky.

>>130661779
Drugs effect everyone differently I guess, maybe you have a very resistant brain. Wouldn't bank on it though.

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I've been prescribed Adderall for like 10 years to control pretty severe ADHD. It's enabled me to live a normal life. I went to college, got a qt white gf, and make really good money in Marketing.

I would have never been able to do this if it weren't for therapy, exercise, diet and medicine.

>>130662002
I'll just equate it to luck and never try that shit again.
I'd love to talk to pharmacology leaders/Dr.Nichols about it. It's a fascinating thing. Like I said by rights I should have destroyed my serotonin system with that experiment. Everything known about 5-HT RAs says so.

>>130661183

What about Ketamine? All the trip without the anxiety and if you do enough you'll be too sedated to act like a hippy retard.

so from these which one is the best in terms of less side effect and long term risks ?

>piracetam
>aderall
>modanifil

>>130662486
Doesn't have the wonder of psychs.
BUT dissos can be very useful for introspection. But they're even more manic than stims, so care is quite advised.

>>130662681
Racetams are best.
Then moda.

>>130662375
Yeah I recommend staying away from drugs that don't even have a street name, clearly they're unpredictable and being a labrat is dangerous work.