Is it stupid to be proud of Western Civilization?

>>130628459
No. Your forefathers fought, worked, and died so you could live here and you owe it to your children and your children's children to do the same.

>>130628459
A lot of mongrels

>>130628459
i know your rotten little racial masochist mind cant handle this much information, but you may find one day that there is a plethora of wonderful thoughts and feelings wrapped up in that funny little package we call "Western Civilization".

much more than can be said about any other """"culture"""" on earth.

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>>130628633
Okay but that sounds like national pride, not Western pride. I'm not Italian, Italians aren't my forefathers, they are the forefathers of Italians who inherit their mantle and nation, I don't.

>>130628459
Western pride only exists in new world countries where everyone is a mongrel

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>>130628459
Both no and yes.

No, an Italian can't take pride in something a German did.

However, Samuel P. Huntington (author of Clash of Civilizations) said that there is a similar culture between sets of nations than with others. This too is backed up by the work of Carroll Quigley (author of Tragedy and Hope) who said that civilizations have similar ideas, ways of life, and material objects.

Thus, technically yes, an Italian could take credit for something that is produced by a German, but that's only when they compete against other civilizations (Like Russian Civ, Islamic Civ, etc) to be honest that is more and more common I find.

When you're at the level of competing countries (Italy vs. Germany) it doesn't work

When you're at the level of civilizations (Western vs. Islamic) then it does

>>130628459
>Why should a German take pride in the achievements of an Italian?

They are brothers desu. Plus, without the Germs the Italians we wuz meme would have been BTFO. Without a steady supply of barbarian conscripts, the Latins would have ended up a lot like Byzantium tbqh.

>>130628459
Either way, don't be ashamed of being Western.
Take pride in our achievements

-We landed on the moon
-We created the internet
-We killed off 6 million Jews

The West is the best
#NoRegrets

>>130629352
It was barbarian conscripts that sacked Rome you Mongol, his name was Alaric.

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>>130628459
You don't have to be proud of it. In fact, why should you be proud of it? You had nothing do it with it.

But you CAN identify with it. And that's what nonwhites fucking hate. Because the achievements of people with white DNA are literally everything that's good in life. And now, race traitors are forcing pic related on us. It will damn us to war and horror.

>>130629206
Take credit is different than taking pride.

And don't forget, Huntington oversimplified "civilizations", so they could be narrowed down to a few distinct characteristics. Clash isn't a sociology book and shouldn't be treated as such.

>>130628459
We are separate by nationality but united by race.

>>130629206
that's a retarded image. Iran and its Eastern nations have little in common with Turks or Gulf Arabs. They should be a different color.

>>130629719
False, a black man (or any other minority) from the US can identify with the achievements of anyone that was also part of the West because they grew up in the same culture.

Whiteness has nothing to do with it. Do you identify with the Soviets from Russian civilization (yes, different from The West) when they were the first to launch a satellite?

that's just how it is mayne

>>130629206
Is this a map of religion or culture?

>>130629821
Good points
I'm on the first few pages of Clash, seems legit. Thanks for the heads up.

My brother says western civilization and capitalism is shit.

Meanwhile he became a millionaire doing freelance work in video/audio production............

I don't even understand his reasoning. It's almost as if he has no idea why he's able to be a millionaire.

>>130628459
it has nothing to do with taking credit for the achievements of forebears. It's about wanting to preserve their traditions because they resulted in a relatively nice society to live in. That society is currently deteriorating for a variety of reasons, one of which is mass immigration

>>130630046
This is a map of culture

The catch though is the definition of culture that is typically used. It contains ideas, ways of living, and technology. So yes, religion is included and to the extent that religion is the main contributor to culture, it is named such (Islamic, Hindu, Buddhist).

>>130629206

Looking at that map and all i can do is wonder why the fuck we are hostile towards Russia?

>>130629206
Huntington began one of his books with shaming desire to preserve the Old Stock Anglo-Americans and focus on culture instead. Muslim Leb lesbian on 9/11 that felt very American "is his inspiration".
>>130629913
>the US can identify with the achievements of anyone that was also part of the West because they grew up in the same culture.
They can't though. They have nothing to do with it genetically and it's pretty damn obvious

>>130629881
You're retarded if you think Afghanistan and Pakistan have little in common with Arabs or even the Turks. All the Central Stans are basically Turkic (including Azerbaijan)

As for Iran, yes they're Persian but are Islamic too. Yes they are Shia against Sunnis but by that logic Syria shouldn't be part of Islamic civilization because they are Shia too (and Iran's ally).

They're Islamic and fairly consistently share the same belief system.

>>130630978
Ya but we ain't talking about genetics, we're talking about culture. People with different genes can grow up in a similar culture and identify with their achievements.

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>>130628459
Here's what it comes down to my friend
You are not you. You, as an entity is an illusion. What YOU are is your genes.
The genes that make you up have been passed down for thousands of years and its you're duty to replicate them before you die.
Taking pride in what happened in the past is taking pride in what your genes did.
Now as far as the specific countries you mentioned:
Europe is diverse but distinct from Asia and Africa. The neighbors of Europe have more in common than not. Although you may not have descended from Leonardo Di Vinci, your genes helped create a culture that allowed him to flourish so you can take a lil bit of pride, a lil bit of reverence and remembrance and inspiration from that and then realize you've got some big shoes to fill.
We're standing on the backs of giants.

>>130629719
The reason to be proud is because the same genes and memes that founded empires, conquered the world, traveled space, developed science, philosophy, etc, these same genes and memes are in your blood and mind.

I'm not saying you should rest on your laurels or be arrogant. I'm saying you should know you are capable of great things. That is something to be proud of.

>>130628459
It is our heritage.

>>130631173
No they can't. Culture is ethno-linguistic product

>>130628459
Well once the EU army unifies Europe you can all be proud of each other

if you don't have pride in the achievements of your civilization its probably because you're a degenerate or you come from a civilization that has no achievements.

>>130629711
I'm aware you fucking leaf. But in the bigger picture the Germanics played a vital role in the West's survival.

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>>130629913
I wish nuclear holocaust upon Canada ASAP. Americans are all white, and our country isn't a country club where you were born here and follow the laws and voila, you're American. No nonwhite country, nor most white countries, do that. Every generation of my ancestors has fought in some conflict in defense of the US since they got off the boat. Every single one, including myself. Who do nonwhites identify with, and what do they care of our history? Kill yourself leaf nigger.

>>130631472
You're right, but I don't personally feel proud that we went to the moon. But you bet your ass I identify with it and am using my white mind to the fullest. The beauty of our people and spirits must not perish from this Earth.

>>130631596
Yes they can, culture is an ethno-linguistic product that can be shared by different races

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>>130628895
In the West, Western Civilisation, is all burger cultural appropriation. There were pan-European cultural movements, like the Renaissance, Iluminism, The Liberal revolution. Burgers not included. Your culture is a CIA fabrication, you uncuth rednecks.

>>130631904
They did, because Rome that they sacked was a multiracial shithole. Funny fact that Roman Emporor Caracalla, a Syrian sandnigger by the way, gave full citizenship and travel rights to all colonies and shiet. Alaric did nothing wrong

>take pride in things you have not had a hand in
This fucking meme I swear on me mum...

How about having some humility for the things that have been granted to you? A wish to preserve and add to those things for the future? How about feeling reverance for them? And doing all these things for the cultures you feel a certain kinship with? Why can't that be the meme?

>>130632003
No it can't be. Norwegian speaking kurd is still a piece of foreign genetically dissimilar shit that has nothing to do with Norwegian culture. You read one of the most moronic "polsci writers" out there and think that you have a better idea about the biological reality for some reason

>>130628459
>best civilization yet in the history of humanity and the world
>d...dont be proud its stupid!! but you better apologize for your bad history lololo

Go away idiot.

>>130628459

Western Civilization is what bonds the European peoples together. When we fight it is not because we hate western civilization, but because we have different ideas on how to improve it. You can read Plato and Aristotle without being a Greek, Cicero without being a Roman and Heidegger without being a German. And you are SO FUCKING LUCKY THAT YOU CAN.

>>130631904
The bigger picture was geography. Both Rome and Byzantium were fucked by barbarians. It was lucky that Rome didn't directly border Islamic barbarians. Having German barbarians in your military didn't have anything to do with Byzantium going full jitard

>>130632056
The empire had not colonies, only provinces. It did not include Barbarians like you.

>>130632223
>>130632043
Stop saying Western, burger

>>130628459
is it stupid to proud of the protestant work ethic, is stupid to be proud of the scientific method, is it stupid to proud of increasing life expectancy of all people regardless of gender and color?

>>130632555
Nice try, kike.

>>130632190
Oh you are talking about the people that don't assimilate to Norwegian culture. Then in that case they're not part of Norwegian culture are they?

Which has nothing to do with genetics, it has to do with the people who share the same culture...idiot

>>130628459
We are too few in number vs the hordes of shitskins out to hijack what we've created to divide ourselves into even smaller subgroups.

White western people are the only real humans on Earth

>>130632691
Culture is a product of race you silly leaf.

Nope https://youtu.be/CCLpjOA8iUU

>>130631991
America is a glorious melting pot of genetic and cultural tradition. I'm pretty sure some American non-whites identify with the Wright Bros. or successful entrepreneurs like Trump.

And btw, that fallout from that nuclear holocaust will probably blow back on you due to weather patterns. Kek you're dumber than Antifa. Kill yourself burger.

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>>130628459
i personally don't give a fuck about foreigners, but real friendship and trust should be appreciated. so it's kind of okay to celebrate their achievements.
i think only estonians are worthy of praise from finns.

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>>130632817
I disagree

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>>130628459
there is nothing left to be proud of

i will be proud when the millenium starts with jesus as king

>>130628459
Normally I would say yes, but that's only because Europeans have achieved enough individually to not take credit for their ancestors work. Unlike niggers who claim credit for people they have no relation to and weren't even black.

>>130632691
You can't be a part of any European ethnic culture, if you don't belong to said ethnic group, cretin. spics and nogs thinking that they have do anything with WB or Trump brand is beyond delusional.

Genetic altruism and lack of knowledge about the evolutionarily strategy not even once

>>130633327
I'm sure you do, but it doesn't change the facts.

>>130633533
Yeah you can, Spanish culture isn't just made up of latinos but also whites from white Spaniards.

And Russian culture is for slavs just like it is for those Mongols in Siberia and East Russia.

>>130633879
>the delusion

>>130633592
That's not an arguement

>>130633929
Not an argument either

>>130633930
Samuel I'm forWASPSnutnotreally Huntington is not an analyst or strategist. Your point? Racialist Spengler back from the grave and 20-30s thirties works proven to be spot on, not that old recently dead cuck. Not our problem you are undereducated suburban retard

>>130628459
Why it would be stupid to see and analyse the obvious glory of nations like Britain, Italy, France, Portugal, Netherlands, Germany, Russia, Greece, and other's it is a fact.

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>>130632056
Clearly this.

>>130632301
>The bigger picture was geography

And again, I am aware.

>>130633930
>>130633966
You have made nothing but baseless assertions against established facts.

>>130634128
Well, then you are aware that you're wrong on both points seeing that you're agreeing with me

>>130634206
You provided no established facts
Provide some now

>>130633456
The moment colonies got actually province treatment, SPQR went to shit. Just imagine if Raj was given equal citizen and travel rights. Of, shit, that actually happened too, didn't it?

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>>130628459
Nah. Western civilization is god tier great.
If you don't like it please fuck off.

>>130628459

It is NOT stupid to be proud of Western Civilisation because what you're not getting is that the achievements of different European countries are CONNECTED BY ONE COMMON CULTURE - Western Civilisation!

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>>130633327
Biology is the root, culture is the flower.

>>130634358
Wrong. You're either feigning ignorance or new to concepts and realities of race. You should lurk more before posting about it if it's the latter.

>>130634494
Based

>>130634623
>"Huntington is legit"
>intelligence

>>130634623
Nope, you're ignoring the importance of culture independent of race. I'm disappointed that you don't share the qualities of logic and evidence based reasoning that made Western civilization great.

>>130628459

Because they're white and contributed a lot to each other

>>130634301
No.

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>>130634872
>culture
>independent of race
Seems like being a WASP is racial after all

>>130635023
Yes

>>130634872
That is simply untrue. Your perception is entirely mistaken, and your false appeals to logic and reasoning only make it that much more apparent.

>>130634626

Thanks. Western culture/civilisation is basically human rights, individualism, secularism, prioritisation of science and technology, etc. We can see that these elements are common in many different European cultures and together form one super-culture that we can call 'Western culture'.

>>130635027
Nope, can be a WASP through self identification.
#NotAllWasps

>>130635312
Nope

>>130635325
Thank you, Western Culture, not Western genetics

>>130635325
Which were bound by not-so-long ago extremely tightly knit genetic collective

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>>130635352
Stop being a moron

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>>130628459
Our histories and cultures are COMPLETELY entwined you nigger.

For FUCK'S sake what do you call this relentless, pointless scrutiny? Putting every little thing that's always worked and served a purpose under a microscope so you can justify your actions to a world that will NEVER meet you on such a level. Sometimes YOUR interests are at odds with those of other people and IT'S NOT IN THEIR INTERESTS to even fucking LISTEN to you. Why shouldn't outsiders and immigrants feign interest in our lofty idealistic standards of them and then go on happily doing whatever the fuck they want? It makes complete sense. It's utterly rational, and trying to reason with your enemies is utterly irrational. Because it fucking works for them, non-Westerners LOVE this kind of bullshit relativism so they can worm their way in and rot our societies, like maggots feeding on a corpse.

What we need right now is Western solidarity. We need White solidarity. We're all in the same sinking boat and no one else will plug our holes for us, but each and every one of us could take the exact same solution and save our respective countries with it. If you want to ask questions, you should be asking how to reunite our nations and our peoples. We have similar origins, values, tastes, appearances, and beliefs, but today we're divided with not our invaders and our parasites, but our brothers and sisters. What we're doing isn't sustainable - we won't even last another 100 years at this rate. Another 50 years for some of us. What you're proposing has been the norm, but if we want to preserve ourselves and our similar ways of life, we need change. Not even just change - we need a revolution, and it needs to be about us. All of us, and not them.

That's the way of the world. History is just a timeline of groups of people getting together and getting what they want. Pick a fucking side.

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>>130635417

There are three human races: caucasoid, mongoloid and negroid.

I think that the only one of those three human races that is somewhat disadvantaged in the area of intelligence is the negroid race, but it is a disadvantage that can be overcome (Neil deGrasse Tyson is an example of this, even though he says some blue-pilled shit once in a while). Mongoloids and caucasoids are roughly equal in intelligence (look at the ancient Chinese civilisations, for example). I do not advocate racism, I advocate race-realism. We are NOT equal physically, nor are we equal mentally - but we are ALL equal in terms of who and what EVERYONE REALLY IS - Pure Consciousness (which is INFINITE AND ETERNAL) experiencing life in a temporary human form. I do not adhere to any religion, but the Bible was right when it said that we are all made in the image of God.

>>130635566
Nope, bound together by ideas and culture. A society of kinship/blood ties only creates small tribes. To get larger societies you need culture and ideology to link the people that don't share genetics.

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>>130635735
Damn, straight anon.
Our people are waking up to the realities of race every day. We just need to accelerate it and dissolve their pathological altruism before it's too late.

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>>130635913

We ought to remember who and what EVERYONE REALLY IS - Pure Consciousness (which is INFINITE AND ETERNAL) experiencing life in a temporary human form. You can do ANYTHING YOU WANT TO DO and you can be ANYTHING YOU WANT TO BE. They want us to think that the average person is powerless to positively change the world, but the TRUTH is that we have INFINITE POWER - both individually AND collectively. There's only one of us here. If you hit yourself on the head with a baseball bat, they'll put you in a mental hospital, yet that's EXACTLY what people are doing on a global scale. You can call Pure Consciousness 'God' if you want, but I don't because the word 'God' has religious connotations that I would rather avoid. Religion is the McDonald's of spirituality.

What we need to do is to raise our level of consciousness, both individually AND collectively. If even one person raises his or her level of consciousness, it has a ripple effect that benefits EVERYONE ELSE, even if they don't believe any of this stuff - and this is because 'reality' itself is HOLOGRAPHIC in nature. One of the ways that they have manipulated us so deeply for so long is by suppressing our sense of the possible. What we call 'reality' is COMPLETELY ILLUSORY and thus MALLEABLE - and they KNOW THIS, while most other people do NOT. EVERYTHING IS ILLUSORY, EXCEPT PURE CONSCIOUSNESS ITSELF. NOTHING is impossible in a universe that is ILLUSORY TO BEGIN WITH. People are AWAKENING to a MORE EXPANDED CONCEPTION of the world and life in general and this is a PROFOUNDLY GOOD THING. We owe it to our innate intelligence to QUESTION EVERYTHING and that includes EVERYTHING that I tell you. We have the power to transform this prison illusion into a PARADISE ILLUSION, so let's USE that power.

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>>130628459
Fuck you faggot KYS

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>>130635994

We're all one - and the beauty of this is that we don't have to be cucks despite this fact (and it IS a fact). We can STILL protect Western Civilisation and save the white race from extinction. We ought to embrace nationalist principles to protect Western Civilisation and save the white race from extinction even while REMEMBERING who and what WE REALLY ARE - Pure Consciousness (which is INFINITE AND ETERNAL) experiencing life in a temporary human form. Our TRUE STATE, our TRUE NATURE and our TRUE IDENTITY is Pure Consciousness and Pure Consciousness is ALL-PERFECT AND EVER-PERFECT. We are SIMULTANEOUSLY one yet different in our oneness in much the same way that the waves of an ocean are one with that ocean but are also unique in and of themselves in that each wave has its own shape, speed and size. I think that's pretty neat. What we call 'reality' is HOLOGRAPHIC in nature, so we are in fact smaller versions of the whole (which you can call 'God', if you want). Every part of the whole contains the whole and, to be more accurate, IS the whole. And just as a drop of water contains the same qualities as an entire ocean of water, we likewise contain all that exists within us - but merely on a smaller scale. From unconditional love we ALL sprang and to unconditional love we ALL return. There is no death, only transference of consciousness. There are no answers, only choices. There are no hallucinations, only shifts in perception. There are no laws, only habits. There are no coincidences, only synchronicities. There are no truths, only experiences. There is no separateness, only oneness. Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but my message shall NEVER pass away. The message is more important than the messenger.

>>130635805
Alright now I'm convinced you're new. Go lurk more so you don't embarrass yourself again.

>>130628459
It is stupid to be proud of anything you are not living and working to perpetuate and improve.

However, the most stupid circular logic is that pushed by anti-white progressives - that is, because you as an individual did not build this, and by luck you were born in this, you have nothing to be proud of.

The correct response here would be to work to perpetuate and improve it, as stated above. However, the anti-white progressive does not do this, and so precludes by their own logic any attachment to, or involvement in, traditions, social norms and cohesion.

Pride can be a catalyst to reflect on what you as an individual are doing in order to earn the privilege to be proud of the foundations upon which you stand. Pride can instill a sense of mutual belonging and investment to motivate you to earn that pride.

Those who attack pride only do so, because it is far easier to overtly attack notions of pride than it is to attack notions of the individual hard graft that they shun.

Dismissing pride and attacking the culture that you are born into is seen as a quick fix to shirking any sense of social responsibilities.

We should recognize it for what it is. A spit in the face of our forebears.

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>>130628459
>national pride
>western pride
>should

>>130635913
I do concur with that analysis. I believe that the reason caucasoid and mongoloids are similar in intelligence is due to the fact that we inhabit colder climates. This forces us to be more innovative to survive the cold, which increases brain size.

Which begs the question, would a colony of blacks in Alaska be smarter (or have bigger head size) if they grew up there? I think so.

>>130628459
Yes.

>>130628459
Romans are not Italians you retard. Greeks aren't even Hellenes. You should look back to history and marvel at its majesty and learn from your forefathers, but do not pretend they lived as you do. That they are the same. I agree with you, but you are approaching this at a wrong angle.

Nationalism is just tribalism writ large. I advocate nationalism ONLY to protect Western Civilisation and save the white race from extinction. Nationalism is neither inherently good nor inherently bad. Furthermore, globalism is neither inherently good nor inherently bad. Globalism could be good if everyone was civilised, but we don't live in a perfect world, so the version of globalism that we're getting right now is a version of globalism that intends to end Western Civilisation and cause the extinction of the white race. In a perfect world, there'd be a global government with each country being a free and independent state that has voluntarily joined that global government. Furthermore, each country in this global government would combine its money and natural resources for things like science, technology, space exploration, space colonisation and having a global military to protect Earth from potential threats beyond our tiny world.

>>130635913
Wrong. Caucasiod is quite literally a false anthropological assumption to bring on inferior Arabic, Levantine and Jewish races into one bracket with Europeans
>NeilDeCoon
Literally a dubm ass nigger
>ancient Chinese civilisations
China sucked ass. Always. They came up with nothing. Just a gunpowder by accident while trying to get some youth elixir. Even their most glorified Ming period was a period of constant currency crashes, famines, feet binding, weird mystic shit and eunuch rule. Very chinky indeed.

>>130636081
You'll never get us all, Hitler was a failure, and Germany was a failure. I'm glad we're invading your pathetic German nation with sandniggers and street shitters. I'm glad you're all so easily manipulated by guilt and our perfect slogan "Never Forget"...never forget the guild goyim.

Long live (((Israel)))

>>130628459
>Is it stupid to be proud of Western Civilization?

Not until something better comes along. It's the best deal the plebs have ever had anywhere. Colonialism and slavery are gone. What was left over afterwards was pretty decent.

>>130628459
No. Germans influenced Italians, Italians influenced Germans and both share the pedigree of Western Civilisation which has a greco-roman basis.

>>130636212

>Which begs the question, would a colony of blacks in Alaska be smarter (or have bigger head size) if they grew up there? I think so.

I think so too. Natural selection would force the brain size of blacks indigenous to Alaska (if there were blacks indigenous to Alaska) to be larger to adapt to living in such a deadly climate.

You can be proud of Western values if you uphold them and recognize why those values resulted in the greatest achievements mankind has thus far seen in his entire history on this planet.

>>130636436
Shut up goy, we'll retake Russia back into (((Redshield))) hands once more

>>130636562
But the irony is they wouldn't be black anymore, they would lose all that pigment because they don't need it cause there would be less sun. Oh the keks of geography and biology

>>130636307

>Romans are not Italians you retard.

Except they literally are, you dipshit. Ancient Rome was in present-day Italy, making the Ancient Romans the inhabitants of a part of ancient Italy.

>Greeks aren't even Hellenes.

Yes they are, you dumbass. 'Greece' is a Roman name, the people of Ancient Greece AND the people of present-day Greece call their country 'Hellas, thus making them Hellenes.

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>>130636655
>we
>China
>owned by foreign companies
>at mercy of the West when it comes to trade - blockade or sanction them, see mass starvation.
>multiracial society
>pollution and mass cancer
>most people CAN'T AFFORD TEA (in China!)

>China
>any power
If you think china is a superpower when it comes to military, you are sorely mistaken. The most famous landmark which they have is a wall to prevent mongolians, and they still got invaded by mongolians in the 1500's.

China has had 3 wars with Western countries in the last 200 years, in which they quickly signed surrender deals. When it comes to war, the chinese are clueless.

Nothing changed ever since

You are not human ricenigger

>>130628459
Because you've adopted the appreciation for their achievements. By being proud you're expressing that you care, thus making you invested in defending them.

It is solely an american thing. To be proud of a "white race".

>>130636562
Natural selection would be exterminate non-Europeans all together. Not to do so is genetically altruistic and that's pretty much a sign of anti-evolutionary group strategy

>>130636772

* call their country 'Hellas'

>>130636813
China is holding US by the balls. Has 3 TRILLION US bonds. Crazy skewed trade surplus.

>>130636889

>genetically altruistic

Genetics don't do altruism, Ivan.

>>130636889
Are you slavic cause last time I checked, Slavs aren't European. They're some gypsy inbred anomaly that were mixed with the Middle Eastern Byzantines

>>130636955
Of no surprise a commie retard thinks it actually matters

>>130628459
not any more or less dumb than any sort of collectivist pride. i am proud of my family, proud of my frankish heritage, and proud of the general lineage on this (historically speaking) most dynamic of continents. if you go back just 20 generations my forefathers would have been chadding it up all over europe.

>>130637039
There is genetically altruistic behaviour. Not my problem you are undereducated
>>130637073
My identity has no relation to the claim I make. It's not reddib you crawled up from. Extermination of non-Europeans is a solid environmental idea

>>130637074
To bad you guys aren't communist anymore. You sure could use the free education Ivan

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>>130635735
You're wrong about white solidarity. That's a broken foundation that will only delay extinction of whites. Effective and long lasting union of different peoples have only been possible through conquest of a superior culture. There needs to be a clear hierarchy of dominance and subordination if whites want to live in peace.

>>130628895
This guy gets it. What you're proposing would lead to the bastardization of all whites into basically modern day Americans. First its Germans mixing with Italians, then with Slavs, and then with Mexicans.

People with no coherent ethnic identity are much more likely to racemix, and create the destructive cycle we see in the states.

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>>130637074
>baited
>16 year old kid doesnt know how economics work
>doesnt know what is trade deficit.

>>130635735
>Icelandic and Bulgarian histories and cultures are "COMPLETELY" entwined

I don't think so sweetie

>>130637210
It does by your own standard. See culture is an extension of race and therefore all your ideas, way of life and yes, all the claims that you make.

>>130637272
>mongoloid the post

>>130636772

'Oh hurr durr i conquer dis land guess its mine now'

Sure, there are some people who still have latin blood living even today. But it is diluted, and it is not the same. You can't claim historical connections to those who you have failed.

It is like Persia, many peoples have lived there and many nations have claimed to be THE persia, but there is only the original Zoroastrianism persia and it was wiped out.

Germania conquered all of Italy, italians should recongnize that culturally, they are Germans. Or more correctly Europeans. Spanish are honorary germans for retaking their lands and were blessed with german kings, intertwining their histories. The balkans? They were raped by Europe's greatest enemy, the East. Muslim. Turk, whatever you want to call it, they failed and many of them branded with the name of 'slav'. Slave.

These people should not be honored as they are not respectable, they cling and steal other people's artifacts and history and claim it as their own. The west is European. The west is German. Greeks, bulgars, bozniaks, Albanians, and Romanians should fuck off and die. Or be used as fodder for either side, as history has shown.

>>130637308
Syllogism is a sign of low intelligence, but that was clear when you brought up Sam Huntington

>>130637210

>There is genetically altruistic behaviour.

No there isn't.

>Not my problem you are undereducated

Stop projecting, the only person who is undereducated here is you, Ivan. Genetics isn't altruistic in any way whatsoever. People are, but not genetics. To think otherwise is to impose values on genetics, which is erroneous since genetics is indifferent to our transient values. It is based solely on adaptations.

>>130636307
>Greeks aren't even Hellenes
there is no word "Greek" in the Greek language.
The only word that describes ourselves in the Greek language is 'Ελληνες, which you butcher in English into Hellenes.

Also read into our genetics:
http://dienekes.awardspace.com/articles/fallmerayer/

I've posted the study a million times but you still don't get it. We're the same people that were always here. For Christs sakes there is still Minoan DNA in Crete.

>>130637383
>is not familiar with Darwin
>tries calls anyone out
It probably not that you have aboriginal admixture, but that you have aboriganal IQ

>>130637403

Based Hellenebro!

>>130637403
I bet you're a swarthy Pelasgian.

>>130637372
And yet white people have the best stuff, the best stuff is in the West, therefore the West is white. Sounds like you should look in the mirror.

>>130637514

Ad hominems are not an argument. And I'm familiar with Darwin, that's why I realise that genetics are based solely on adaptations- not values.

>>130628459
I dont understand national pride. You parents fucked there, or your whore of a mother had you there. Where's the pride in that? Have pride in your personal achievements, those of loved ones, and humanity in general.

>>130637628
I feel bad that Putin represents comrades like him. Culture and society can override biology. I actually have hope for him if he comes to the West.

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>>130637582
I'd rather look at my roots. And the Europeans are genetically superior as a collective to everyone else out there. And the West is European(White). The rest are just recent parasites and human garbage that some "cunts" brought in

>>130637737

It's okay to have pride in the achievements of your ancestors. You're carrying the torch of your ancestors, after all.

>>130628459

So the problem with Europeans is that they have such an overwhelming amount of things to take pride in that we have to break it down into smaller and smaller sets.

>>130628459
>Is it stupid to be proud of Western Civilization?
Our ancestors fought long and hard to build the world we live in. I honor their accomplishments.

>>130637756

>Culture and society can override biology.

This is possible, but rare. It almost never happens.

>>130628459

Because we are white people sculptures of our past the present and god willing the future of mankind. Its what good white people do.

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>>130637737
Being a mongrel you probably have no idea what it's like to have genetics worth preserving
>A study in Iceland showed that 3rd cousin marriages are the most fertile and successful. Suggesting that mating within one's ethnic/racial group would be more beneficial than outside of one's ethnic/racial group.

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/319/5864/813.abstract
>>130637756
>>130637628
(you)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=dXpffMXUcAg

>>130637573
Pelasgians were considered by by the original Hellenic tribes as pre-Greek. But if you read the study I posted it proves racial continuity to neolithic times, so their genetics still survive.

The original Hellenic tribes migrated here a bit later but it seems there was no war between them just a lot of shagging.

>>130637774
"My identity has no relation to the claim I make"
"I'd rather look at my roots"

Way to double think your way out of that problem.

>>130628459

Southern parts of Germany used to be northern parts of Italy.

You don't know white people do you?

You just know want.

What you want for yourself huh?

>>130637979
Because being connected with your (genetic) ethnic legacy and tradition is what makes our civilization you retard

>>130638038
>Southern parts of Germany used to be northern parts of Italy.
Never happened

>>130637976
They were pre-"Greek" in a cultural sense, sure.

>But if you read the study I posted it proves racial continuity to neolithic times, so their genetics still survive.

Yeah, this is what I meant. I was using "pelasgian" more as a denomination in terms of population genetics than in any cultural or ethnolinguistic sense. The latter is pretty redundant now, unless you're a historian, given that cultural or ethnolinguistic pelasgians were culturally absorbed or otherwise made distinct in Greece, Anatolia etc.

>>130637852
That is the case with biological gender. For example, masculine men can be curbed to act feminine due to wide spread acceptance of feminist propaganda. Same goes on with women, they can become masculinized from feminism (or even just family dynamic).

But the main convo is biological race and I'll stick to that. Whether you can put Blacks or Norwegians in Asia and they'll get shorter overtime would be interesting to see.

To summarize, ya culture and society can overide biology from gender, your right in that biology from race is harder to determine if it is affected.

>>130629913

Yeah and funny how after all the WW2 designs were grabbed from the smart Germans aka (people like me) The two superpowers started space exploration and rocket technology.

Geee I wonder why?

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>>130628459
No my friend

>>130638319

We are clearly on the same wavelength and you are one of the few based leafs on /pol/. Stay who you are.

>>130628459
if western civilization led to the shitshow we have today, why be proud of it? time to try something new, like worshipping an ancient egyptian chaos god

>>130638490

>if western civilization led to the shitshow we have today

It didn't. Jewish infiltration did.

>>130638490
It was kikes acting in reaction to WWII

>>130638271
Yeap. I'm always amazed at how many Indo-european tribes piled on top of each other here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ancient_Greek_tribes

Where the hell did they come from?
Nobody knows for sure.
I've heard Ukraine, Caucasus, an a lot of other theories but nobody can confirm 100%.

>>130628459
Yes good goy. Don't be proud of the goys, be proud of the blacks roasting their turds over burning mudhuts filled with dead raped women.

>>130638058
I'm glad that you agree with me. You're some degenerate Slav with inbred gypsy parents that has a retarded ethnic legacy of having histories most backward ideas. Thank you for confirming this for me. I'm glad we both agree your retarded ideas come from you retarded slavicness

>>130638564
(((they))) were only able to seize power because western civ promotes autism by teaching maladaptive individualism

>>130638738
Try again, sweaty >>130637774
East Asian, not human. None of us, chang. Never will be.

>>130638656

Indo-Europeans probably started out somewhere in Central Asia. One group went south into present-day India and present-day Iran, while the other group went east into Southern Europe.

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>>130638472
Stay safe fellow leaf
Shadilay and fuck Trudeau

>>130635805
>>130635940
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>>130636447
notice me senpai
>>130634584

>>130638875
That's a troll of subhuman hanabonigger chinese descent

>>130638863

I'm not a leaf, but I completely agree that Trudeau is a douchebag. Praise Kek!

>>130638830
Ivan, i have some bad news for you ...

>>130629206
>israel is islamic
HAHAHAHAHA GIBE HOLY LAND

>>130638830
Me try again, sure.
I'm slavic and my race doesn't impact how smart I am. Therefore I don't have to be as retarded as you because I grew up in a different culture, even though we are the same race.
Checked

>>130628459
At this point we're all in this together whether we like it or not. It's basically either the West bands together or the kikes win.

>>130639020
Kek that's a typo
Israel was this oddity that shares more in common with the West. It should be colored blue and Huntington admits that.

>>130628459
It is, if you do not contribute to it yourself

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>>130628459
>I understand national pride but Western pride seems dumb.

You have to be a Jew.

>>130639070

This. Don't fall for the divide-and-conquer tactic or else the kikes will pick ALL OF US off one by one.

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>>130638975
I apologize sincerely for mistaking you as a leaf, that was a grave insult.
Fellow commonwealther I should have said

You're asking a race to catch up to a race that is already light years ahead.

Blacks level up 200 levels.

Then

Whites just went exponential on top of the 10,000 level they already had.

Whites 40,000

WTF ARE YOU?

Except it isn't like that. Its more like.

Niggers level up 4.3

Because niggers are around.

Whites down level -1000

>>130639245

Don't worry about it.

>>130639031
We are not of the same race. I'm Celtic-Germanic, and you are a han didnu

>>130629206
what a stupid map. and what a stupid post by a stupid leaf

>>130636341
>Globalism could be good if everyone was civilised

Globalism was 100% just a plot to lower living standards in the west so we'd submit to global governance.

>>130639358

>I'm Celtic-Germanic

If you're Celtic-Germanic (as opposed to Slavic), then what you are doing in a Slavic country?

>>130639422
Huntington is American version of Dugin - racially ignorant moron that produced some low tier content for plebs

>>130639358
If you're celtic germanic, why the fuck are you polluting the racial purity of Russia? Get the fuck out of the motherland, it spits in your Nazi motherland raping face.

Well, it's hilarious that a slavic leaf can out argue you.

>>130639474

What you're referring to is THE JEWISH VERSION OF GLOBALISM. If everyone in the world was white and we made our own version of globalism, it would be a fucking utopia. Jews have a habit of hijacking potentially good ideas.

>>130639544
Russia is Russian, barely any Russian sees it as Slavic. I'm working and enjoying some activities I can't enjoy back home. 500k NWEs resides here and does pretty great

>>130639145

The KIKES have been wanting to be KANGZ for Eons. They found their wish with in the last few 1000 years because of the GoldSmiths and the paying of usury and whites have suffered because of kikes here and there through out history at the hands of kikes the entire time. They depend on the system because people like L.B. Johnson and other KIKEKEKS have given them white power. Kikes lust to rule over whites. They want to own us.

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>>130639629
You are no Slav, hannigger

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>>130628459
Because if you weren't utter dysgenic trash like most americans you would buy few history books, read them and then understand that european countries are all built on a common helleno-christian platform and that most european inventions and discoveries were not the fact of one nation but incremental enhancement coming from different countries.

If you want a little example take the car: it was progressively built by belgians, french, english, germans and italians over the course of 150 years.
Was it the belgian or the french who invented what we call the car today ? No, it was western civilization, european people came from various horizon and shared and enhanced the creations of each other, because they were different enough to developp their own originality but compatible enough to understand each other and adopt and assimilate concepts of their neighbors.

>>130639728

They have been trying to breed with us for Eons.
Zukkercuck is only with an Asian bitch because it is PC and he had some yellow fever. He knows he was to much a kike manlet to marry a real woman. He probably fucks them on the side all the time.

Another kike admitted into SATAN'S HEAVEN!

Good for him!

>>130639777
How are you Celtic-Germanic by the way?
Saw you in the heritage/family tree threads but I didn't see any tree from you.

I guess I'm Celtic-Germanic too given My primarily Scottish and German descent, but I also have a fair chunk of Russian in my ancestry too.

I don't consider myself Russian though. It's something different in the spirit, the temperament, the way of being and values. Scots are pathetic, servile bucket feeders. I see myself as having Germanic sensibilities.

>>130638875
Geography is more the root than race
See geography contains not just mountains/plains, physical features, but food sources, natural resources, and domesticatable animals. The later was a critical distinction in Germs, Guns, Steel from Diamond I believe his last name is.

Culture tends to be produced around geography. Par exampla, mountain cultures typically have cultures of honor (territorial/confrontational/hardass) rather than cooperative cultures based on agriculture. Also the "beasts of burden" concept where certain forms of livestock can be domesticated to produce more food, resulting in greater division of labour critical to cultural and scientific and militaristic progress...blah blah blah

Then after culture is made then come the dialectics of mixing with history...yadda yadda yadda. Western civilization came out of the rubble of the Roman Empire. Basically that began like the coolest new concept at the time, the concept that economy and culture were separate from the state. The absence of a state with still (somewhat) functional culture lead to this conclusion, from Tragedy and Hope authored by Quigley. Hypothetically, we can assume that if say, the Chinese, thought this then the great achievements that the West had would belong to them (assuming their geography was better...its not though because of their long and easily invadable coast.

Race is yes shaped by geography. There are no blacks in the arctic nor are they whites in Africa. So it's kind of an illusion at worst and something that influences culture minimally at best.

Is that enough notice Mr. Anarcho Cap?

>>130628459
what you dont understand is that the concept of nation in the past wasnt that stronger, foor example spain, we discover america, but americo was an italian and columbus may be italian too, spain was the first country who circunavegate the world but it was a portuguese the one who designed the expedicion, even he couldnt end it, one of the best roman emperors (trajano) was born in spain, roman saw iberian as his equals due to "they can be civilizated" my point is in the past nationalities were more dilluted due to empiires conquest etc... so when i feel proud about roman empire i think in what trajano did for them and we inherite their language and so on

>>130628878
They're your next closest kin m8. You have more in common with another subgroup Indo-European than SSAs or MENAs or Australian Aborigines

>>130640530

This guy has the right idea. History is a clusterfuck of mixing of different races, ethnic groups and cultures. Very few people have avoided this mixing, like the Icelandic people (and, even then, that's only due to their geographic isolation).

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>>130639777
You're no Russian, gtfo, you're the remnant of a failed Nazi invasion that wants to resurrect those idiot ideas. You're worse than the immigrants you insult.

Btw, I wish I was half Chinese. than I can math and kung fu better. This is the most accurate pic of me

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>>130640530
proud of being slaved and domesticated by romans

kek

>>130638875
I hope I didn't violate the NAP by taking so long to get back to you
kek

>>130628459
I don't take pride in it.
I respect and admire it and strife to be as skilled as I can be to not put our ancestors to shame.

>>130640798
of course, actually roman empire didnt beat iberans we integrated with them becouse their economy culture richnes... iberian race wasnt like germanic race they just give up on giving civilization to them, they brought us incredible advantages and also they treat us very well, roman empire was great to iberia, they didnt even slave us becouse they didnt beat us in a war, roman just took slaves in the war

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>>130635913
You forgot those sub-tier Australoids (abo's) we near-successfully exterminated

>>130629206
I dont understand how a map of culture can separate China and Japan.

>>130639681
>barely any Russian sees it as Slavic
yeah except you know all-non slavs that would never call themselves russians.

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>>130641661
Yes, Putin's PC "Slavic population" and "violence and racism against non-Slavic looking people". He scared shitless to use "Russkie"
>>130641225
The job is not done
>>130640761
>wide-yet-tied racial homogenous identity
>necessarily NS
>>130640304
All Northwestern Europeans are Celtic-Germanic mutts, with exception to the Welsh, Cornish, Scandinavians and Bretons.

>>130642075
What makes the Welsh and Bretons special compared to Highland Scots or Irish?

You're essentially saying the French, German, BeNeLux, Swiss, English (and Cornish and Lowland Scots) are Celtic/Germanic mutts and sure, what's news, but what are you specifically and how did you end up in Russia.

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>>130628459

JUST DO IT!

its just stealing achivments from people you have nothing to do with, you probably aren't even related.

WE WUZ WESTERN

>>130641194
yeh, farmers treat their cows great so the milk them out

you're narrating to yourself a history of rape as a love story

you're such a normie

>>130628459

Western civilization = pornography, mcdonald's/kfc/starbucks/burger king, homosexuality, globalism, cheap iphones

>>130642588

Except iberia benefited greatly from the roman empire and the roman empire benefited little in comparison.

>>130633327
And Nazism is an ideology, not a culture.

>>130643440

Islam is an ideology, not a culture.

>>130628633
Gay

>>130643476
? Okay then.... trees have green leaves. See, I can also say random shit.

>>130637329
>Or more correctly Europeans
what does make you think we don't recognize as europeans?

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>>130628895
100% This
I'm one of the few 'pure' whites in this shit nation, by witch I mean I'm 100% of something.

No just because your 1/64 this and 1/64th that doesn't mean we're the same you fucking mongrel.

>>130645589
It's funny how I'm an old country mutt, the complete opposite to you.
I feel I'm more culturally aware than a lot of new worlders. I know enough to know that simply because I'm a small part Russian by descent, it doesn't make me Russian.

But I identify strongly with my Western European cultural heritage. The countries of my forebears on the continent, where I still have family members and have visited regularly, and the nature of the people there, feel as much part of me.

So can you really blame me for chiming with Mosley's sentiment?

The unnecessary war that pigdog Churchill dragged us into is one which would've torn me apart to take a side.

>>130647186
Although I know who I would have chosen to fight for, no doubt.

>>130628459
>achievements of a briton

Like what? fish and chips doesn't count

>>130629206
This has to be the stupidest map I've seen in my life

>>130628459

Who is this David character? Is he one of these bad Jews? Or was he one of the good guys from ancient times that bad Jews try to claim for their own to confuse us?

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Germans, Italians, and Britons are all branches of the Indo-European race. We have more in common with each other than with Negroid, Semite, or Asian races. It's perfectly fine to be proud of these accomplishments. You know they are valuable, as these other races continuously look to claim credit for them.

>implying we have any verifiable way to know which achievements belong to which
National pride is fucking stupid. You were born within a certain border, good job.
Go actually accomplish something if you're so eager to be proud about shit.