AnCap Hate Thread

>>130628220
They are okay.

>>130628220
>>130628618
welp, that about sums it up folks

thread's over

>>130628220
fuck you kike

sage

>>130628220
Let's remake this into an Ancapball thread.

... I just realized I don't have any saved. Shamefur dispray.

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>>130628220
Fuck off kike

>>130628220
i love roads hehe xd

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>>130630610
Nigger you WILL submit to the glorious new national socialist state or else

>>130628220
Anyone that thinks anarcho-anything is a good idea is a fucking retard

>>130628220
Ancap&Capitalism overall> Fascists and National Socialists

>>130630714
Bitch, ill enter ultra jew mode and Infiltrate the high ranks and tear down the entire fucking reich down single handedly

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where we're going we won't even need roads

>>130630920
>B-bbut whom'st'dve will build the helicopters?

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>>130630410
here you go, buddy

>>130628220
who tf hates ancap besides filthy communists?

Anyone have any actual criticisms? This >>130630803 is the most critical offering so far and its weak.

Is anyone down for answering various AnCap-related questions for me? I'm curious but unlearned.

>>130635060
the only way people can argue with an Ancap is being a stubborn fuck and using ad hominen

>>130635201
I can try

>>130635320
In an ancap society, what's to stop people forming their own laws and bodies/etc.?

Also what about people that can't work do they just starve?

why cant i get ancap muslim

wtf

>>130635398
>what's to stop people forming their own laws and bodies/etc.?

It's sort of the point to have people do that. We need many competing organizations instead of the monocentric systems we have now.

>Also what about people that can't work do they just starve?

Nothing stops the public from building their own safety net without the state. People are free to help out each other.

>>130635539
Ah gotcha, I think I understand that a bit better now. Thank you!

>>130635749
So I can't blow someone up for stepping on my lawn, I've got to call the McPolice?

>>130635660

Anytime!

>>130635959

You can't blow them up, but you can push them off of your property line. Although you might accidentally push him over, he breaks his arm and then sues you. So it might be in your best interest to call the McPolice and have them handle it instead.

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>>130628220
eat a fat one nigger

>>130635539

>Nothing stops the public from building their own safety net without the state.

> People are free to help out each other.

Remember, folks, it's only when state pressures you, it's bad, when it's other people/company, it's ok!

Just add trademark to the state and consider it a company, ffs.

>>130635539
>Nothing stops the public from building their own safety net without the state

Also, why the fuck should they do it.

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>>130635204
>roads
:^)

>>130637558
yeah the thing its that if it was a company you can CHOOSE to participate in it

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>>130637558
>when it's other people/company, it's ok!
Thats not what hes saying.
You motivate yourself to build a safety net, since it makes sense and is the responsible thing to do.

AnCap requires maximum personal responsibility, which is why so many are confused.

>>130637619
>Also, why the fuck should they do it.
This proves my point. Personal responsibility. Not relying on the nanny state to do it for you.

Spoken like a true commie

>>130637763
Private firms build roads today. The government does not build roads.

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>>130628220

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>>130628220
AnCap are such faggots

>>130640059
>Personal responsibility.

Yes, personal.
That means if you re not doing anything in my interests, you are a potential threat to me.

>>130639694

>you can CHOOSE to participate in it

you can CHOOSE to participate in state affairs as well, dumb ancap.

>>130642076
I chose to not participate in the affairs of my state, yet they still tell me what music i can and can not hear.

>>130640059

Sorry, thought you are talking about "public charity".

Still though, my personal responsibility will become yours once I will take YOUR posessions for myself.

You see, all people tend to do that, when they are starving. If you genuinely think that people, en masse, will just go "woe to me" and self-flagellate themselves, you are delusional.

>>130641953
No - no one is threatening you by keeping to their own business.
You think they are a potential threat because thats how YOUR mind works. A threat would occur if you steal or harm others and you have to be stopped.

Again this is commie thinking applied to an AnCap scenario.

>>130642330
And? It's still up to you.

I'd rather have a state tell me what music I can and cannot hear (while doing nothing) rather than """private""" persons forcing any shit for me (and actually going through with it).


You fuckers just grow in your greenhouse nanny states and don't even know what a true anarchy feels like.
I grew up in fucking Russia where everything collapsed.
Your "muh voluntarism by private persons" wet fantasies have NOTHING in common with reality. Not even to say that people barking about NAP get redpilled pretty quickly by the first faggot who doesn't give a shit about it.

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>>130642076
You cant choose to participate in state affairs. They force you with threat of kicking your door in and removing stuff to the value they think you owe. Also, theres Civil Asset Forfeiture.

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Do you guys agree with slavery? Would you own slaves?

>>130642516
>No - no one is threatening you by keeping to their own business.

Yes, they are. At least, they force me to think about their interests and step aside ones of me with no profits for me. At most, they are straight up competition to me.
Sorry, mate, but I am not expecting everyone to behave on the NAP towards me and I am certainly not going to wait like a cuck and not interfere in any way to a competition.

>A threat would occur if you steal or harm others

Fucking simpleton, no wonder you believe in anCap meme.

>Again this is commie thinking

It's egoistical thinking. Commie thinking is all about "muh community" and "muh society".
Can't offer anything useful to ME? You can fuck right off - you are nuisance at best, liability at worst.

>>130642717

> They force you with threat of kicking your door in and removing stuff to the value they think you owe.

>Implying businesses didn't do the same shit if they are sure "nanny state" won't rape them dry for it.

>>130642944
No, I support physical removal of violent commies and non whites though

>>130642944
No because it would infringe their liberties. Everyone has liberties and taking anothers is not AnCap.

AnCap is not "doing whatever you want to make money"

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>>130630714

>>130630810

I knew kikes supported Anarcho Crapitalism and Liberal tearyanism>>130630810

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>>130628220
>spotted the poorfag

>>130628220
what ancap is all about. explain me in two setntencies what it is?

>>130643207
Delusional idea of individuals and groups not behaving the way they did in Russia 25 years ago because of "Non-aggression principle" and unwritten rules of chivalry.

>>130642712
>while doing nothing
Problem is they will do something

>>130643207
Freedom to do anything you want as long as no gets hurt unless its self defense

>>130642986
No ones a threat if they are keeping to themselves. Its a fact.

If they are competition, let the market decide whos best. If you can offer a better product or service, people will buy from you and the other guy will have to think about how to improve his product or service. If he tries to sabotage your venture, you can defend it and yourself.

> I am certainly not going to wait like a cuck and not interfere in any way to a competition.
So you are forcing others to defend against you and they will be in the right.

>>130643207
fully automatic tomahawk missiles

>>130630810
First kike flag I've seen since the new flags came around. What have you guys been hiding behind?

>>130628220
We believe in the same goals, friend. Just different methods of pursuing that goal.

op is a faggot

I welcome our jewish overlords to take full control of our economy through relentless monopolies.

>>130643859
Awww are you mad statist? :(

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>>130643832
>>130643859
>>130643878
T H E L E F T C A N ' T M E M E

check this out instead
>>130642147

>>130643077
Why do non-whites not deserve the same liberties?

>>130643103
>Taking anothers liberties is not ancap
It is. People can be owned just like private property, thus they don't have any liberties.

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>>130644001

lolbertarians

>>130644077
No. the idea is to protect liberties for everyone.

>>130644089
>mixing Right Nationalism with leftist economy

Jesus fucking christ please no

>>130644077
> People can be owned just like private property, thus they don't have any liberties.

people have to giv their informed consent to it though.
you cant just go and try won someone, it violates the nap and people who are not involved into it and see you doing it will be ware about you.

>>130644089
We are just as antisemitic as natsocs buddy we just realise something you dont, The only way to get rid of (((them))) is to get rid of (((government)))

Yar ways o' life be damned, all who posted in this thread. Arrrrr.

Why bargain when ye may plunder? Why rule when ye may drink?

>>130628692
Thank you.

>>130644388
>>130644440
Whom protects the liberty of others besides themselves? If you want other people to protect the liberties and rights of certain groups why abolish/weaken the state?

i have a question for you.
People argue that Singapura and Hong Kong became very rich, even though that they have no natural resource, because of small state. However, both cities are in the middle of the busiest trade route of the world, and a small state is actually a need for them to stimulate commerce. It's the best for them, so it'd naturally develop due to social demand.

But if you take every other developed nation - the US, UK, France, Japan, South Korea etc -, they didn't have such privilege and had to produce something to get rich, and every single one of them needed the State to intervene on the economy in one way or another.

So, my question is: if those countries became rich by producing shit, why didn't they gradually became libertarian or ancap throughout the years? After all, the State is a burden to development.

>>130635398
People's self-determination is the goal.
If you're poor, then try to provide services for a community.

>>130644443
The jews in centeral banking make up only a tiny percentage. Most of them have wealth passed down through generations, gain income through market speculations, passive income from owning capital, they make up a high percentage of business executives both of profitable medium sized companies (most often media, law, advertising firms) and huge corporations. And there are plenty of them already hoarding cryptocurrencies to speculate on.

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>>130635398
https://mises.org/library/idea-private-law-society
this would happen and it isn't bad because each society would be competing for quality of life and resource management
the private law societies with higher standings family values, economic freedom, non social degeneracy will have better more productive and more stable futures so in reality conservative and proud nationalistic private nations would thrive
socially liberal private states would have bad unproductive people who would only hinder the private state that they live in
things such as advocating bad lifestyles, being such as drug abuse, sexual degeneracy and welfare states who subsidise terrible practices will fall in comparison
not many people would live in there own privately owned homes but they would purchase housing in privately owned covenants
weak poor and generally lazy people would be punished economically and wouldn't be able to fall back on welfare for years
the covenants would provide insurance if for example a business failed they could use the insurance from the state to provide temporary income from the taxes this insurance will come from the people who live there
people will not be able to walk in as you will either have to be invited in and the good societies will have high standards of immigration
90% of today's libertarians are fucking idiot faggot degenerates who think being socially liberal is a good thing
so the nazis will be able to live in there almost natsoc private societies and be happy with there qt aryan waifus

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>>130646003
>all drugs become legal
>severe hinderance on economy

>>130643951
this was so obviously made by a dirty commie

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>>130630714
Free Helicopter Rides

>>130644012
Ummm, that burning flag an the pepe on the right are the same.

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>>130628220
>>130628692

>the most jewish ideology ever

Why do so many people think capitalism and compassion are mutually exclusive? The individuals who donate the most to charity also tend to be the richest.

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>>130649173
Because its all about power, they don't give a fuck about charity, all they want is for people to see they can do whatever they want with your wallet, if they cared about charity they'd let people who build wealth do what they're best at.

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>>130649161
almost every ideology is created by jews you troglodyte

>>130643859
How mad were you when you made this lmao

>>130649560
>defending an ulta jewish ideology which basically is made to fool poor whites into going against their self-interest voting for parasites and which only really benefits the few jewish elites.

stay cucked, Koch brothers shill

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>>130637619
because Humans worthy of this name don't behave as commieroaches

>>130649735
>supporting a 1984 totalitarian state where you have 0 rights and the government can make you disappear if you do anything they dont like that for some reason you think will actually want to help you rather then help themselves because the fascist dictator will really care about his people when he already has everything he needs
have fun either starving or getting shot when the government takes everything you own because you have nothing and noone to defend you

>>130649735
>voting

>>130651460
>the first to fall once a libertarian society has been made
the turner diaries is a good book

>>130651721
Well, I didn't make the image. The Turner diaries shouldn't be included in that.

>>130635430
ancap is linked to the nap and he nap and islam are imcompatible.

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>>130651460
>mfw I don't own a single thing listed on the pic except Atlas Shrugged

>>130651536
>your house, your rules, right?
Your fault you fucking trespasser.

Rent IS voluntary, you idiot.

Instant punishment from cops is acceptable in case of violating NAP.

>>130637619
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benefit_society

>>130652032
instant detainment from law enforcement is acceptable if they have reason to believe you are breaking they covenants law

>>130644443
> We are just as antisemitic as natsocs

speak for yourself.

ROADS

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>>130652211
your gonna have to leave or i'm gonna have to use some voluntary force you fucken kike

>>130652325
im not a kike. i only see people who abide the nap and people who dont.

>>130634526
"Everyone will follow the NAP even when it conflicts with profit"

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>>130652431
sympathisers are the same as kikes as it allows them to continue their usury
ancap will only work in a white ethnostate
>>130652504
fuck the nap nigger if you are a threat to society you will have to be physically removed so to speak

>>130652824
i dont mind ethnic self segregation. but if we have that, i dotn see a reason to attack jews unless they violate the nap.

>>130652824
What do you call a group of people who remove threats to society?

>>130653105
law enforcement

>>130653605
law enforcement don't get to choose who gets removed ie they dont make the laws

>>130653738
the person who owns the land controls the laws of that area

>>130653920
So then there is a government, it's just smaller

>>130654036
http://study.com/academy/lesson/public-law-vs-private-law-definitions-and-differences.html

if you want the long version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6V0XzJfm8U

>>130654143
sorry i'm retarded i just pasted the first link i had in my clip its acually https://mises.org/library/state-or-private-law-society

>be me
>be citizen of ancapistan
>be wagecuck for multinational corporation
>get shitty wage because no regulation of business
>work on 10 year old computer
>still has CRT monitor and shit processor
>arrive home™
>greet surveillance camera placed there by boss
>eat dinner with wife and 5 year old son, it's chink food as usual, because the supermarkets can have a larger profit margin as they buy it so cheap
>would make own food but almost all land in ancapistan is polluted™ due to industrial waste being dumped everywhere, too expensive to import
>finish our meals™
>bring out carrot cake™ and presents for wife
>son starts singing
>'happy birthday to you...'
>OH SHIT.png
>hear sirens
>it's the Microsoft™ private police
>mfw they bought rights to the song
>mfw family put in prison (corporate-controlled of course, it's $15 per person per night plus extra for meals)
>I say to family 'well it's better than communism'
>mfw denied trial because judges™ all represent coporations

>>130654319
>>130654143
spare me the autism, try to actually argue your point yourself

>>130654336
IP laws and trademarks
get out retard

>>130654409
did you mean Get-out™

>>130654515
keked

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I shit on ancaps a lot but I'll give them this: They can fuck up communist econ bullshit like no other. I mean nobody tears up baseless, untested, ideologies designed by people with no real experience in business, government or economics at all.

How the fuck does anyone take Karl Marx seriously? He was just a B-list actor living mostly off of his rich family and friends until he decided to start writing about his own bullshit special snowflake philosophy despite having no background in philosophy or political theory whatsoever, in a series of poorly written fiction novels. No wait, my bad that was Ayn Rand.

Marx was born to an incredibly wealthy family and the only times he wasn’t cloistered with academics, he was philandering with the wealthy elite. The first half of his career he was funded almost entirely by a wealthy businessman, and then the second half of his career was at various academic institutions when that fell through. Oh shit, I’m confused that was Murray Rothbard.

Ok, ok, Marx was basically a government bureaucrat who eventually became a college professor and did little else. Man I fucked up again, sorry. That’s Milton Friedman. I’m struggling here.

>>130654515
kek flag it would be more productive to argue with a rock
>>130654389
"To begin you would have to first ponder the question of social order, why there exists conflicts and how they arise. Robinson Crusoe stranded alone on an island would not come into the problem of social order since there is no social contact. For the problem of social order to arise there would have to be another person with Crusoe. It's first when Friday comes into contact with Crusoe on the island that the problem of social order arises.
Here comes the question of what rules there are to make possible the orderly human conduct, what rules can make it possible to avoid conflict and if conflict are to arise -- how to resolve them. There are many suggestions as to how this should be accomplished. Universal communism and private property are two of the proposals that have been made. After the rules have been justified there is the question of enforcement, whether it should be monopolized (i.e. enforced by a state) or not.
So there are several areas that need to be covered in succession as to cover the subject of natural law, applied law and enforcement.
The ancap answer to who would decide and who would enforce, without going through the earlier areas, is insurance agencies, arbitration agencies and police agencies. The clients of insurers would have to choose the law code that is to be applied to them and their property. Insurers would have to offer their clients a contract, which contrasts to the state which offers no contract to it's 'clients' (subjects)."

>Trump deports all the mexicans and dissolves america into anclapistan
>all the rich buy land around factories and let millions of mexicans move there as slave labor
>the same happens for every other industries
>at least nobody can come on my property though

>>130635060
Ancap can't work, as the most powerful individual would just form a new government.

>>130654826
I'm just going to take that as a yes since you already said the land owner is the defacto government. So basically it will be feudal states for a while until they join back into a nation.

Always wondered this, won't anarcho-capitalism just dissolve into one monopoly and then turn into a government?

>>130655146
Because it is impossible to have a monopoly for long without government

>>130655260
What if a huge company or person with a lot of money buys out the competition? Or has a buffer of the product to outlast the competition (new or previously existing) by offering dirt cheap prices?

>>130628220
>Also what about people that can't work do they just starve?

They'd be taken care of by family and private charitable organizations. And yes, we'd still have art.

>>130655392
Therefor they become a monopoly

>>130628220
>I'd rather have a state tell me what music I can and cannot hear

That's because what passes for the Russian soul loves nothing more than being ruled.

>>130655392
there will never be enough money to buy out all competition and there is nothing stopping people from copying their buffer

>>130655744
What about resources like oil for example. If a person owns the majority of oil production, how does someone even compete there? Again prices can be lowered as long as needed to drive away the competition, as new competitors might not be able to produce oil and sell it lower than the cost of production

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>>130628220
nu-/pol/ pls go

>>130655915
then they will find a new way of making fuel which is cheaper than their competitors

>>130655915
people wont buy oil due to high prices and will be forced to use other more productive products at comparatively cheaper prices and the oil company will have to lower prices to compete with alternatives or run out of business

Ancapistan sounds a lot like the rhetoric that hippies use.

>Free love man
>Nah man nobody will mess nobody because thats like mean man
>Everybody will respect everybody

Its a pipe dream at best. The NAP is good for a civil society alone but not enough to run an entire country. And dont most An-Caps like open borders?

>>130656174
but the thing is you don't want to fuck with people who have the power to destroy you
>private property
>open borders
what?

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>>130628220

(pic related) is all I need to hate on ancaps.

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>>130630920
Remember, only by privatizing the roadways can we reverse manmade global warming.

END ROAD SOCIALISM.

>>130656123
What about a service like medical care. If a large group of doctors offer good service and have a majority, then they can offer high prices until competition comes. When if comes, they can offer super low prices again, to make sure the competition can't even start in the market. Because they have the money already, they can outlast any new competition. As medical care is sometimes necessary, as people will die without it, there can't be any alternatives found like oil for example

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>>130628220
y tho

>>130656329
>but the thing is you don't want to fuck with people who have the power to destroy you
Of course, and I prefer to keep to myself and not bother anybody.

>Private property
But who decides what is and isnt private property? If we were to start Ancapistan right now, government just vanishes. Does that mean all land becomes free game? Lets say I go to work and come back and my home was overtaken. I try to defend myself but the invaders claim that they own the property and I'm violating the NAP. How can anybody know the truth? Would the whole thing become a giant he said she said?

>>130656596
monopolies don't last long and there will be too much competition to deal with

>>130656756
In a small community, the first doctor is already the monopoly, they can do exactly what I stated earlier. Saying they don't last long doesn't change the fact that they can

>>130656857
there is nothing stopping new competitors from joining in the market

>>130657022
Except for the fact that it costs money to enter the market (getting trained as a doctor, tools, etc), and if the original monopoly has built up a bit of money, they can offer their services way lower than the competition. The competition needs money to sustain their service, and because they can't offer their prices as low as the original monopoly, they don't get business. Eventually they leave the market putting it back to a monopoly.

>>130651386
The argument is that under corporatism progress is slower and priced remain higher that they would under capitalism.

>>130657218
business loans and combined total of many small businesses working together to fight the monopoly

>>130657410
thanks for that

>>130657410
Unless the monopoly offers the same deal to the competitors. Offer high prices and when competition comes up, make it super cheap. It would create more profit for the competitors to do that rather than fight the monopoly. Joining rather than fighting

>>130657528
together we can monopolise arguments because we can pay of everyone else

But when someone starts a business, they don't expected instantly gain half of the consumer base, even in a monopolised industry, they would expect to start of with a small mount of customers, and would plan financially for a lack of business during the first few months or years of their business. If a monopoly such as a major hospital were keeping their prices extremely low for such a long time, while continuing to maintain high standards and many well trained doctors, they would suffer financially before the smaller business

>>130657218
Depends on the situation I guess and how much money they charge. If the Alpha Doctors office is doing a good job and providing a good service then why not pay more for great treatment. But if they are being shit and charging up the ass most people will go to Beta doctor and pay for a better service since in this example people can even afford to go to the doctor. If you have a really bad experience with a company you wont mind paying extra to be with a better company just out of sheer spite or principle.

The company I work for in this example I have customers who say that even though we charge more for the competition the service we provide is so much more better that they prefer us because we provide fast and reliable service.

Services are privileges, not rights sadly. But this must be held up to avoid having the country flooded with leaches who expect the other guy to pay for their living. Just look at R9K with all the smug NEET posters

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>>130656174
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>>130656721
Name one reason why property titles wouldn't transfer. The government needn't exist to grant property rights. Property rights exist in natural law, and property titles are perfectly suitable for proof of ownership.
As for what isn't private property, you can read Ethics of Liberty chs 10&11 for a discussion of this. Essentially, the first person to use or improve the land is its first owner and the private courts will use this principal to arbitrate disputes.
During the transfer, all public property will be lumped into join-stock companies and shares will be distributed to everyone. From there, people can sell their shares or buy specific sections at auction, with the profits split between the shareholders. Not a perfect system, but close to the best we can do.

>>130652824
>Why Doesn't the United States Have a European-Style Welfare State?
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>>130658114
>Not a perfect system, but close to the best we can do.

I think it more or less goes back to picking the devil that you know rather than the devil that you don't. Still the reason why I was asking is cause where I live there a fuck ton of illegal bean people who already broke the law by coming here so I cant imagine them straightening up and suddenly respecting the NAP much less property.

Thanks for the read I'll be sure to flip through it assuming AnCap ever gets traction beyond meme status.

>>130658630
>>130628220

>suddenly respecting the NAP
I think a lot of people put the cart before the horse in discussions of NAP.

It does NOT mean that everyone will be friendly and good and you don't need to invest in self-defense.

It DOES mean that in resolving disputes, you can figure out who was in the wrong. The people who are most concerned with the NAP are lawyers and arbitrators.

The NAP is not an arbitrarily chosen principal that everyone has to agree with in order for the gears to turn.
Everybody who believes his own property shouldn't be stolen believes in the NAP implicitly.
By consenting implicitly to the NAP, you also implicitly agree that there's no double standard where you alone can violate others.

There are also a lot of misinformed memeballs. If someone violates you, you or your lawyers are legally only allowed to violate them to the extent that you recoup your losses. So you can't kill someone for trespassing because damages caused by trespassing are far smaller than damages caused by you killing someone.

>>130660227
>So you can't kill someone for trespassing because damages caused by trespassing are far smaller than damages caused by you killing someone.

That is retarded. I would not tolerate some dindu in my house in the middle of night because "he has yet to kill my life" Im just gonna let him stab me to death because he MAY have illegally entered my home to sell me skittles and an energy drink?

>>130654336
>"I get all my knowledge of political theories from memes" the post

>>130660770
The phrase we often use is "violence or the threat of violence". Threats of violence are tantamount to violence. Technically violation of property is when someone prevents you from getting the full use out of your property. You can prevent someone from using their property by theft, by destruction, or by violence and threats of violence. The study of natural law has a lot to say about situations like this, and you'll find it's very consistent if you look into it.

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Someone breaking into your house and someone accidentally stepping on your lawn are very different things but can both be classified as trespassing, but the intent and the degree of the trespassing varies greatly, and with such variation comes different legal responses. While I'm no expert I'm sure reasonable measure would be taken to ensure proper punishement where neccessary. Along with protection of those that are reviveing unreasonable agression.