Would you rather be captured by ISIS or Mexican Cartels, /pol/?

>>130611013
The cartel isn't that bad

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Mexican cartel
They wont fuck with you unless you fuck with them

ISIS is like that hardcore kid whos parents would not let him doing anything but he always talked about it. Then his parents died and he is now free to do w/e he wants


Also latinas would be ok

>>130611013
if both really want you dead, i think ISIS is easier to negotiate, you could fake convert to islam and say you will do operations for them, as a white guy you would be a great asset for them, they would reconsider, after that you could plan a escape
but if mexican cartels really want you dead you're dead, there's nothing you can offer them.

whoever is merciful enough to give me a gun and be a hero

>>130611271
if they captured you it has to be because you fucked with them fucking idiot

Cartel is bro tier and el chapos only crime was not giving in to uncle Sam and paying taxes

>>130611617
I was literally just about to post that

>>130611271
he said captured not live around. i'd take isis, maybe you can convert and become mad machmed roaming the desert in your ratty jeep looking for gasoline and food.

Mexican cartel

I could go berserk and fight and they'd either shoot me and kill me for it or I'd win and escape into Mexico which is close to the US..
If I escape ISIS what the fuck do I do? I'm in a warzone either way

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>>130611687
It's the best choice.

Cartel DESU

>>130611617
He deserved it

>>130611617
But this happens only if you skrew up and not because your religion is different.

>>130611013
NO THANK YOU. BYE NOW.

>>130611617
Fake and gay

>>130611989
Link to vid with sound
http://www.bestgore.com/beheading/struggle-man-peel-face-hand-cut-off-brutal-beheading-flimsy-blade/

>>130611617
>no funkytown.webm

>>130611582
>>130611687
In that case ISIS
Cartel has no mercy but isis might have a use for your as a ransom or something
Cartels will chop you up and put you in a bag. Then will they do the same to everyone you know if you fucked with them hard enough
Both are crazed by religion so that is not an argument. We cant forget what the catholic church did back in the day. It would make isis look like a safe haven

>>130611013

An ISIS Cartel. Just one isn't hardcore enough. I need both at the same time to feel some sort of challenge.

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>>130611617
Can anyone tell me why this happened?

>>130611944
god damn mexicans are dumb

What is it with these retards and having some pride in selling drugs and killing people? These retards actually think this validates their useless race, It's like they don't realize that everyone is laughing at them, yet they still wonder why we wan't to build a 50 foot high wall that expands through the entire border.

And what is it with their fucking corridos glorifying drug cartels and death? Isn't that the reason they immigrated to the US in the first place?

>>130612120
Snitches get skinned alive, just don't be a rat and you'll be good I don't see anything wrong with their ethics>>130612175

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>>130611013
>Mexican Cartels
Every time. At least there is a chance of not being killed too bad. They are Catholic, so they have some compassion compared to ISIS.

I wrote this without looking at other responses.

>>130612518
Beaners deserve to get Unit 731'd for shit like this. Wouldn't be surprised if this is an everyday thing

https://m.liveleak.com/view?i=afc_1379584750

>>130612771
Most cartels are actually satanist. See >>130611617

>>130611013
I guess the cartels, I figure I'd have a better shot trying to get out of it alive.

>>130612518
So skinning people alive for talking is ok?

isn't this anti freedom of speech too?

>>130611013
Somehow the cartles are scarier. They seem to do a lot more fucked up shit to you for longer periods of time, often dragging out the pain for as long as possible. ISIS just decapitates you for the most part or burns you alive. Fuck, I don't know actually. I'm going with ISIS.

>>130613170
what about La Santa Muerte? i remember it was popular here in mexico back then, i dont know if its still a thing

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>>130613604
Cartels wont fuck with you if you leave them al—
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_San_Fernando_massacre

>>130611013
ISIS

>>130611013
This is so easy. ISIS. mainly because they won't kill you if you convert to Islam. You get free reigns of the bounty from the towns that you raid. Bounty: Women. You get to fuck and marry whomever you want. The women are subservient and most of all, you have a purpose. Sure it's 'destroy the west', but at least you'll have something to live for. Something bigger than you.

>>130611271
What if something bad happened to the cartel, or isis, and one of their members blames you for it. Which would you prefer to be captured by?

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>>130613766
That chat, holy shit.

>>130613604
I assume it would. Apparently it's celebrated during dia de los muertos. Not quite sure about the prominence of it tho tbhpham

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>>130611013
Cartel guys are bros.
I would even work for them before doing anything with goat fuckers.

I hope we have a war where cartels fight ISIS then you guys will see what brutality is.

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>>130611013
isis

they drug you up so much whatever the fuck they did to you wouldnt even be apparent

cartels will try to amputate you with a dull knife lasting hours

>>130613989
Islam is pretty much the perfect response to western feminism. Rape is legally sanctioned, and for any woman who rejects you, it's okay to maim her face with acid. I mean, what western man wouldn't want to see a woman get stoned to death for driving a car? Trannies who complain about their poor widdle fee-fees get thrown off of roofs. Shit. What's not to love?

>>130614305
>I hope we have a war where cartels fight ISIS
Me too , me too ...

>>130613989
Then why don't all those people they capture just convert to Islam when they know they're going to get decapitated or burned alive?

ISIS would at least drug me first before beheading me.

>>130611013

you can submit to Islam and join the caliphate, idk what use a cartel would have for you other than a disembodied head to hang off an overpass.

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>>130611013
Fucking GREAT question, ese.

ISIS.

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>>130611944
"theres no way anyone can b-
>mexican flag

Neither. White Power exists because neither group (nor any group for that matter) exists without White Power.

No one gets out alive. They might as well live and die for White Power

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>>130613170
>Most cartels are actually satanist
Either way, they are not muslim. I am that racist that I would rather have a satanist drink my Adrenalin gland than have a muzzie behead me. Its just a personal preference.

Overall, option c (none of the above) would be my first choice obviously.

>>130614717
Mule?

I have no quarrel with the cartels. ISIS would want my head for that whole kuffar thing.

>>130611013
ISIS. At least they'll just cut your head off or burn you alive or drown you and then you're dead, fucking cartels will spend months killing you.

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>>130611013
I believe tis a question of which high would you rather your torturer were riding on.

>>130614648
>drug first
What kind of drugs? Xanax and alcohol I would hope.

>>130611013
ISIS because then I can chant "Allahu Akbar" in prayer and pretend I recognize and share their views so they spare me. If any speak English I'll tell them I'm an weeaboo for Arabs and wish I could have learned sandspeak but my infidel country I was cursed to be born in didn't want to teach me it because I was brainwashed to believe they are in the wrong. I plan this shit out, would be so cash. Could even behead some people for them until it's time to make my escape.

>>130614318
Or both.

That vid with the face peeled man and box cutter? He's high AF off drugs, meth most likely. Its different than ISIS drugging you up with heroine so you're just a lifeless body ready to be decapped, the cartels give them speed so they not only die slower, but the pain is amplified 10x. Nasty.

>>130611013

Mexican Cartel.

You can reason with them (more so than Islamic Terrorists) and if they're going to kill me then they're just going to kill me, no fucking wannabe-Bollywood build-up trying to get views on YT/Liveleak/Etc.

>>130611013
neither, kill them all if they come for me
fuck spics and fuck dune coons

>>130614173
You should see the trailer for the new game about black "androids" getting shot for terrorizing a city and wondering why they are getting killed called "Detroit".
Chat was worse but it was more laughs.

>>130614318
>>130615744
how u no?

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>>130611617
Self defense

>>130613766
IIRC the cartels did that because they believed there were enemy members on that bus. Why they had to kill the innocents is beyond me. Mestizos truly are subhuman.

>>130611013
>Would you rather be captured by ISIS or Mexican Cartels, /pol/?

ISIS

>>130611013

You could convince Isis to change to their side. Cartels kill their own at the drop of a dime

>>130611013
If you get captured by ISIS can't you convert?

I would rather eat a bullet 2bh

They are both awful. I read a lot of articles about Mexican cartel they torture people and even cook them alive.

>>130618960
underrated kek

>>130611013
If Isis caught me I could maybe convert or something for survival.
With the cartels id just be fucked.

>>130620573
At the very least ISIS has an ideology.

>>130620573
>>130620646
Although they would prolly kill me after I ask "Why?" to many times.

>>130611013

Isis will behead me.

Cartels will pump me full of amphetamine so I don't pass out in the days long torture.

I still see that skinless, eyeless, cockless guy who can't pass out screaming clear as day. That video is fucked.. Fuck that shit.

>>130611013
Mexicans, at least they are business men who would be willing to let you go for the right price

>>130611013
why not pay the cartels to take out isis..they're pros and they'd love it..since no one else is really

>>130611013
Cartel
>they got top shelf cocaine in Mexican jails and less chance of beheading.

>>130612444

nigs gonna nig

>>130613766
Tamaulipas it's a shithole.

ISIS.
My death would at least have some significance and political ramifications.
No one gives a shit about cartel-related deaths.

>>130612444
If I remember correctly, he raped the daughter of one of the cartel higher-ups.

Probably ISIS

I'd be dead either way, but at least ISIS will just chop off my head and it will be over in under 30 seconds..

Cartel however... That's not going to be a quick death.

>>130612197
you cant compare what the catholic church did 500 - 1000 years ago with what the savages in ISIS do in the year 2017

>>130613604
Thats from Ghost Recon you fucking beaner

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>>130611135
Its true.
All these american little girls with their daddys credit card love to say " hurr durr those cartel scum are scum and has no moralz"
If any of these american vaginas grew up with no money and no food and sone guy drove up one day and said "take this mac 10 and follow me around and ill pay you 1000$ a week", every one of you faggots who didnt have a stinky, sand filled vagina would say yes.

If you are against the cartels youre a shit eating little girl who rubs shit in their vagina.

>>130621445
ISIS will drown you in a cage, tie you with a rope and ignite it, run a tank over you, etc etc.

They're equally as inhumane as the cartel

>>130621385
HE HAD IT COMING
HE HAD IT COMING
IF YOU JUST BEEN THERE
IF YOU HAD SEEN HIM

Yeah id take isis hands down. Theyd lop my head off or shoot me or slit my throat. Cartels be on some hardcore shit. Peeling your skin off and feeding it to you over the course of days. Giving dudes acid and meth and other drugs to make the pain that much more intense. Theyve been known to give their victims blood transfusions during the torture to keep them alive so they can inflict more torment on them.

Its that native american blood they have. The natives used to do the same shit. Theyd torture captured enemies for days and nurse them with food and water while tenderly cleaning and dressing their wounds so they could torture them more. If captured you were expected to not cry or scream or show any sign of surrender; you were expected to take days of horrific torture like a man and not beg for mercy. The job of the people doing the torture was to break the prisoner's spirits and show weakness and fear. If a man was unable to be broken over the course of 3 days of nearly nonstop torture, theyd remark that they were honorable before killing them instantly with a stone axe to the skull. However, being unable to break a prisoner's will was seen as an extremely bad omen; it signified the enemy tribe was strong and was to be considered a grave threat. No one wanted to have that bad omen so they would stop at nothing to inflict pain and break the man down to a weeping wreck begging for his life to be ended.

Shit was ritualized over thousands of years, torture was literally a way of life for the natives. That being said id much rather take the beheading by dull butterknife that isis likes to dole out as much as that would suck.

>>130612444

Most probable explanation ive read was that he was a hitman for a rival gang/cartel. Some spic on /b/ said that they mention something about "you picked the wrong side, puto" being said as they carve the guys face off while he squirms and squeels in pain while essentially being waterboarded by his own blood.

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>>130611271
>they won't fuck with you unless you fuck with them
>'Ey cabrón, you wanna be droga mule?'
>'No not really, but thanks for the offer'
>*face is peeled off with boxcutter after your own severed cock and balls are placed in your mouth*

>>130622259
>gringo
Im against the cartels fuck those guys.
They are scum and have no morals

Neither, die fighting.

>>130611013
Depends on how much I've pissed off the cartels tbqh.

If it's only a little, then I'll go with them, because I still have a chance to live. If it's a fuckton, then I'd go with ISIS because then at least my death will be rather quick.

>>130622259

Right, cause living a life where you could be killed any minute by the rival cartel, or have to live in a prison where you bribe everyone, is so much better than being one of the elites of American society.

It's gonna take a whole lot more murder before Latin America's gene pool is cleared out of all the dumbasses that really think being in a gang is the good life.

>>130620763
If they want you dead there's not a lot you can offer them to change their mind

>>130621033
It was worse a couple of years ago. Literally a warzone

>>130611013
Die fighting or kill myself.

If they are pissed at you, you would be killed in a similar way with either group.

>>130611013

Plot twist. Mexican cartels are ISIS

Cartel. I might be able to pull the Catholic card and get ransomed not an heroed

>>130611013
I haven't done anything to offend the cartels. My mere existence is an affront to ISIS.

>>130625291
Sorry Ahmed, we don't blow people in the street for no reason

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why the fuck would i be in mexico or the middle east?

fuck that

good luck catching me from my basement

>>130621375

Good point, anon.

>>130623108
cartel people don't sell drugs to random people on the street

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>>130611013

ISIS = Islamists
Cartels = Satanists

i preffer be captured by russians tbfh, spics and sandniggers deserve a nuke over their heads.

>>130611013
niether

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMGZtkMS3sQ

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>>130625875

https://panampost.com/elena-toledo/2017/06/15/us-government-confirms-connection-between-mexican-drug-cartels-and-isis/

>"for no reason"
>what is allende?

I don't understand both of this fuckers. There is honour in killing people too., yet this fucks dehumanize people even in their last seconds of their lives. Chopping of hands and cutting off faces. Wtf has to go through your mind that you are willing to do such a thing. I don't even know what the correct punishment for this fucks would be.

>>130611013
ISIS fights for Allah, the cartel fights for greed.

>>130626660
>>130626794
Hello friendly snek poster

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>>130627921

>>130611013
TRUSTISIS.

>>130612470
>And what is it with their fucking corridos glorifying drug cartels and death? Isn't that the reason they immigrated to the US in the first place?

Basically this fucking peasants

>>130611013
ISIS ain't got shit on cartels. So yea, I'd pick ISIS any day.

>>130622259
Spic get the fuck out of our country.

>>130627638

>I don't even know what the correct punishment for this fucks would be.

Eternal torment.

>>130622779
My ancestors...:')

>>130611271
>Mexican cartel
>They wont fuck with you unless you fuck with them

Bullshit. If you're on their turf, you're either their nigger or dead.

>>130611013
I'd rather jam US/UK/Izrail/Saudi trained and funded ISIS and Mexican cartels in a box and charge to watch them fight to the death
Their pathetic denials and confessions would rent the air
Then we go for their trainers and funders

Cartels. Free coke and latinas.

>>130611952
>But this happens only if you skrew up and not because your religion is different.

Uh, nope. Plenty of regular mexicans get disappeared all the time by these fuckers. They get off on raping peasant girls and then killing the family if they raise a fuss about it. Cartelenos even kill their own from time to time just to keep the boys in line. Only place on earth more dangerous than Mexico is Syria.

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>>130618960

>>130630029
how was he still alive?

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>>130612444
lurk moar newfagget

>>130611013

Probably ISIS.

The burnings/crucifixtions are pretty bad, but fucking Funky Town man...That shit is beyond the pale. I can imagine being burned to death. I can imagine behind beheaded. I just fucking can't imagine what it's like to go through a Funky Town scenario.

>>130611952

Nope.

They also do this just to random cunts. Taxi Drivers, Farmers, Students, Poor Dumb Bastard Who Was In The Wrong Spot, Wrong Time.

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>>130628364

<3

>>130612444

They do this for any stupid reason - In this particular case he was a former colleague who betrayed them somehow (in the video they accuse him of being a traitor/rat - "You picked the wrong side, motherfucker. Change the song, change the song.").

>>130615966
>You can reason with them (more so than Islamic Terrorists)

Only if they think you got a million bucks in the bank or you're someone who'd be missed enough for the US gov't to raise a stink. Then you MIGHT get out alive.

>>130630029
Damn. Most gruesome thing I've ever seen.

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>>130613305
>So skinning people alive for talking is ok?

Yes, it's quite acceptable in today's circles. Jorge was fortunate though and taken to the local emergency room shortly after this video ends. After a couple of weeks of treatment, he made a full recovery and now lives happily with his loving wife and kids in Cancun. When not working at his day job as a diving instructor, he enjoys long walks on the beach and candlelight dinners.

>>130615966

Again, completely wrong.

They kidnapped a bunch of women once, and then had a facebook poll to decide how the victims should be killed. They went with axes, and the Cartel delivered.

>>130611013
What would be best for a female?

>>130630214
They were pumping him with adrenaline to keep him alive it looks like

>>130630214
see:
>>130630537

>>130620747

I watched one Cartel video where they had a guy over a barrel. They castarated him, skinned his stomach and face, and then beheaded him.

The whole time they're blasting fucking jaunty mexican country music and laughing.

There was another one where the guy was tied up and they were breaking his arms/legs/knees/elbows etc with baseball bats, and electrocuting him. Again, the whole time giggling. He was apparently the brother of a local prosecutor.

They said they inject them with meth to keep them awake the whole time. Often cut off their eyelids/faces and make them watch whatever it is they're doing.

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>>130612120
>getting slowly hacked to death with Funky Town playing in the background
jesus

>>130611013
If it comes to getting captured, ISIS.

There will be, at least, a chance of merciful death if you convert. Also, their victims seem to be drugged out of their minds.

With cartels, you're fucked thoroughly.

>>130622404

You got a 50/50 shot with ISIS.

Could just get blow up/shot.

Even then, the burnings, beheadings, tanks or rocks are fucked, but stil relatively quick compared to what the Cartels do if they're pissed off with you.

There was that one where they pulled over a bus. Got the old folks to lie on the road and then drove over them. Made the young guys fight to death with farm tools and then raped the women and put them into vats of acid while alive.

Crazy shit.

>>130630537
Okay wtf is this tho.

I have a grandfathered documenting reality account and ive never seen this.

>>130611271

>They wont fuck with you unless you fuck with them

Unless you ride wrong bus and just happen to run into Zetas "training and recruitment".

>>130622259
>If you are against the cartels youre a shit eating little girl who rubs shit in their vagina.

Wrong. We made a choice here to keep criminal gangs to a minimum and it has paid dividends over and over and over. The cartels are half the reason Mexicans are still fucked and dirt poor. The ones who idolize the cartels are lazy fucking cowards.

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>>130611013
ISIS because at least my death would be filmed in HD

>>130630158
>Only place on earth more dangerous than Mexico is Syria

Source? I hear about this all the time even though Mexico is surprisingly not that high on the homicide rankings.

>>130627638

It's pretty straightforward

ISIS want to be the boss. If you don't do what they say, they're going to kill you.

Cartels are the same.

They both exist in worlds so shit that getting killed simply isn't enough of a threat to make people obey them.

>So what. Kill me.

So they have to keep escalating it.

People then get used to shit like beheadings

>Fuck you. Cut my head off.

So then they progress to flaying, burning, etc etc.

It's how human kind has always operated.

Just look at what the Catholic Lords did to the Protestant insurgents/terrorists in Germany during reformation.

>Be protestant terrorist and kill a bunch of Catholics
>"lol what you gonna do? Hang me? Burn me at the stake? idgaf"

>"Nah, we're going to take red hot pincers and slowly peel your skin off, stopping to apply water and medical care (such as it is in the dark ages) to keep you awake, then leave you to die slowly and in agony"

>"...fug..."

Then they left the bodies in cages above the town for everyone to see what happens when you fuck with the boss man.

Cages are stil there btw.

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>>130630715
Fucking christ dude stop browsing the dark web...

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>>130618960

underrated

>>130621475
It's in the nature of men.

Hell, cockholes 75 years ago were going full ISIS on poles and jews. 75 YEARS AGO.
Cockhole PEASANTS.

You think rednecks won't do same shit if circumstances will turn the society into anarchy, and everything will be suddenly allowed? Dream on.

>>130627638

Also;

>Revenge
>Drugs

Have you seen Cartel Land?

In that the vigilantes catch a bunch of drug dealers and take them to a former slaughterhouse. There's this depressing shot where you see all the drug dealers chained to chairs looking at the floor, listening to the screams from the other rooms.

But earlier in the documentary you had learned about how these guys had brutalized and tortured and murdered innocent random laborers and their families as punishment for their landowner bosses not paying extortioin.

These people are obviously furious and seeking vengeance. Then you factor in that many of them are also on coke, meth and drunk.

https://youtu.be/xC5bpPfltOI

>>130630537
Yo please explain this video.

>>130611013
Depends on why I'm captured. If I'm captured by the cartel because I fucked them over, I'd rather be captured by ISIS. If the cartel just for some reason takes me into their custody while I'm visiting Mexico, then definitely the cartel.

Storytime: my friend's cousin and his friend were driving through Mexico, I think Sinaloa. They get pulled over by civvies at night, who say they're from the cartel and taking their car.

They they start walking along the road. Car stops and the guys inside ask them, "Hey, what are you guys doing walking along the road in the middle of the night? It's dangerous out here."

"The cartel took our car."

"Did they? Which way did they go?"

"That way."

The car speeds off in that direction. Half an hour later that car and their car pull up behind them. The guys get out and ask my friend's cousin and his friend, "These guys in our trunk, are they the guys that took your car?"

They proceed to show them the severed heads of the aforementioned car thieves.

"Uh, yes."

"We're the cartel. Let us know if anyone else bothers you or impersonates us again. Have a nice day."

The cartel drives off into the sunset (ignore that it's already night).

>>130631139
Woah XDD dark web is so crazy LOL

>>130611013
Cartel would be better they normally don't fuck with white people unless they screw them over first or you owe them money hell they actually prefer to have white people help them since where less likely to get fucked with by cops

>>130630214

Tied off his wrists to stop the bleeding (you can see the zip ties) and they inject them full off meth and coke.

They first found out about this method when an American DEA officer was kidnapped. He'd been partially skinned and a bunch of other stuff. The informant told them it had all happened while he was still alive, and to do it they had a doctor on hand giving him injections and monitoring his blood loss/shock to make sure he didn't die.

>>130613305
>believing into "muh freedom of speech"

>burgerflag.

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Neither.

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>Both use the same tactics
>Both get guns from the CIA
>Both act effectively exactly the same

really tingles those dingles.

The cartels are descendants of people who carved hearts out of living sacrifices.

I'll take the quick death by the religion of peace

>>130631139

Dude, this shit isn't Dark Web.

I got a lot of this stuff back in the day when I used to be a member of Ogrish until the faggots banned me.

But now there are billion sites like Best Gore which have all this stuff up. Even youtube from time to time.

Other than that, I just like reading about morbid faggotry and none of this is a secret.

Also another good documentary recommendation - Sicarrio (there's a Hollywood film with the same name) - It's just an hour and a half long interview with a hooded Mexican Cartel hitman and he talks about how his job works.

His stuff wasn't as bad, by the sounds of it. Still plenty of fucked up stuff. He did a lot of rope/water torture - Strangle/Drown people just to the point of death and then let them go and rinse and repeat all day.

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>>130631614
>white gays and traps are the foremost problem though /pol/

Leave them alone plz. US just needs to be white again.

>>130619500
Have you read the article? Cartels do that ALL the time.

Because they can.

Because government has no balls to get into game and take control, violently, from Cartels.

Mexico needs Duterte.

>>130631283
Father bullying son, cocks pistol dares son to shoot him, son shoots himself instead. Some island asian county.

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>>130631044

Mexico WAS that high up.

There's weird ways they rank things.

Mexico gets mentioned as a non-war zone.

Then there are places like South Africa, where per capita they have higher homicide rates and White Farmers have the jobs with the highest mortality rates outside of military personnnel in war zones.

>‘Bury them alive!’: White South Africans fear for their future as horrific farm attacks escalate

>The couple, who had lived in the area for 20 years, were tied up, stabbed, and tortured with a blowtorch for several hours. The masked men stuffed a plastic bag down Mrs Howarth’s throat, and attempted to strangle her husband with a bag around his neck.

>The couple were bundled into their own truck, still in their pyjamas, and driven to a roadside where they were shot. Mrs Howarth, 64, a former pharmaceutical company executive, was shot twice in the head. Mr Lynn, 66, was shot in the neck.

>Miraculously he survived, and managed to flag down a passer-by early on Sunday morning. Mrs Howarth, who police said was “unrecognisable” from her injuries, had multiple skull fractures, gunshot wounds and “horrific” burns to her breasts.

>>130631614
Your gonna be living in a desert shit hole for months listening to that God awful fucking language they speak and the most bastardized version of english imaginable before they pick up a spec of signal on their camel phones so they can make and upload a video of you being beheaded at least with beaners you have a chance of becoming a human trafficker for them

I think it's that native blood. I used to work with illegal Mexican migrants doing construction. Kindest people in the world, will give you their shirt off their back. But one thing you do not do is back stab them or there will be hell to pay.

>>130615276
Heroin.

>getting captured alive

What a bunch of fucking faggots. It's death or victory, nothing in between.

>>130631833
Yeah, pretty much. Duterte isn't an angel but these people need to disappear. Target their families.

>>130631572

Not really.

Zetas, who pioneered the really nasty shit on a widespread level (Cartels always did really nasty shit, just usually more reserved for higher ups who had snitched or other boundary crossing stuff) were trained at the Schools Of The America's - A CIA academy in Georgia (I believe) that specialized in training Anti-Communist Insurgencies for Latin America.

Obvious components of ISIS had received training and funding throughout the years from groups associated with the CIA (the Ba'ath Party received second hand training from people who had been trained by the CIA)

>>130611617
Welp I'm not clicking that shit

I'm gonna assume some poor fucker bled to death

>>130630537
what exactly is happening in this video

>>130619500

I think that post was directed towards me, about the Bus Massacre.

It wasn't really anything to do with who was on the bus. The Cartel (Zetas IIRC) were trying to establish a take over, and they wanted to demonstrate what happened if people didn't recognize them as the new authority instead of the Cartel they were fighting.

>>130632176
Fuck that, nuke South and Central America.

>>130632271
Watch it, so you can see who is emigrating to your country.

>>130632271
His face and hands have been cut off and the cartel members are doing a shit job slicing his neck with a box cutter.

>>130632355
There's plenty of Europeans there, descendants of Spaniards and others. Countries like Argentina are overwhelmingly European.
These are mestizos.

>>130632271

>bled to death

lol no.

God, he wishes.

>Hands crudely hacked off. Stumps zip tied to stop him bleeding out
>Face peeled off with a box cutter
>Eyes gouged out
>Trying to cut his neck with a box cutter - Blunt, just making holes
>He's screaming the whole time so they stick a pole down his throat to shut him up
>He tries to grab the pole, but it's just his forearms flexing because he's got no hands
>This is hilarious to them
>He's still making god awful sounds
>So they stick box cutter down his throat
>He bites the blade
>They then start hacking at his arm or something and the video ends

>>130632271

this is true BLACK PILL boy.

>>130632564
How the fuck was he alive by the point of the video, wouldn't have blood loss and shock have killed him by that point?

Unless they fed him drugs or something

>>130631894
Thank you.

>>130611013
>beheaded online
OR
>skinned alive

Latinos is SATAN RAZA

>>130632783
Drugs

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isis are pussies compared to the cartels

capcha: mexicana minute

>>130632948

I think ISIS more powerfull and more humane.

>>130611013
Fuck you and fuck that. I CCW 2 guns - hip and pocket. I carry 2 spare mags for both. If I was down to my backup piece and the last mag, I will be saving the last round for myself in that situation or any situation that some gang tries to get to me even after their members get dropped. People who do that are going to kill me, so I'm not going to give them that satisfaction

>>130633070
the cartels literally run most of south america
isis are nothing

>>130611617
holy shit wtf mexico

>>130622259
Great argument, retard. So what your saying is, I shouldn't be against a group of wealthy, mexican faggots that go around exploiting poor people and making them do their dirty work? You have the morale of a true mexican, amigo.

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>>130633070
>more powerfull
More inbred.

>>130632564
Friendly reminder such things can only exist because law protects them.
Law is good and necessary when you have society conductive to it.
Law is bad when a large part of your population don't qualify as humans.
As I said, start with extrajudicial killings, they can't hide everyone. Shoot their families, send them their body parts in bags.
I'd give you my right hand that cartel membership will drop by 90% rather quickly.
Violence like this is best fought by calculated systematic cold violence. Create an organization of well-paid , motivated, educated and loyal people, and just start killing them and their families like a machine, put them down like rabid dogs, without any dirty shit, torture and like. That way you leave everyone a choice, you either live like a normal civilized human or you join cartel and sign a death sentence.
I'm aware this is hard to pull off well and there would be many issues and mistakes, but situation there is catastrophic, desperate measures are required.

>>130611013
Narcos let some people live.
Jihadists demand you give into Islam and that is not only betraying catholicism and the virgin mary. It's giving up dia de muertos, mariachi, danzon, bullfighting, rodeos, serenades, boleros, tacos de pastor, carnitas, chicharron, barbeque ribs, beer, tequila, pulque, mezcal and dogs.

Faggot anglos and frenchies may not care about their culture but I'd rather die ten times over.

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>>130618960

>>130630632

Isis for sure.

>>130633392
>Narcos let some people live
Really? I figured if they capture you that you're fucked

>>130633547
depends on what you did

mexico is a shithole

>>130613989
If you're already "sinned" against Islam you can't convert and fighting Jihadists is among those "sins".
If you're captured you're dead. With narcos it depends, if it's a kidnapping you're most likely gonna be ok even if you really don't have a dime. If it's turf war you're dead.

and panama isnt...

>>130633599
I figure if they go out of their way to kidnap you that you probably did something bad enough to earn an execution

>>130633381
It works in WH40K world.

>>130633774
no mate. it's not how it works. like this bloke >>130633761
said

>>130611013
Cartels. They are actually Jesus freaks

>>130632783

Already said it above a few times - tie off the stumps to stop blood loss, and then they inject them with meth to keep them awake/stop from going into shock.

>>130633829
kek

this is funny on two levels

>>130611013
I'm a foreign national, have never made any attempt to report on narcos, uncover narcos or disrupt narco activity. That means they either want me to ransom or because I can build telecom networks, either way they want me alive and I might get to either leave alive or have a new life there.

>>130612197
>We cant forget what the catholic church did back in the day.
Fuck off with your misinformation.

Isis just kills you straight up. Most of the time with a peaceful bullet to the back of the head. The cartel fucks you up before killing you, usually decapitating limbs, scalping, skinning, etc

plus isis cant kill you like the cartlels do because they arent smart/creative enough

run me over with a tank over this shit>>130611617

>>130614466
>t. sad pathetic virgin

>>130631044
>Source? I hear about this all the time even though Mexico is surprisingly not that high on the homicide rankings.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/10/527794495/mexico-is-called-worlds-second-most-violent-country

It's been a war zone down there ever since NAFTA. Worse yet, it's started spilling over the border. Anyone buying illegal drugs in the US is supporting them, and they are even worse than the feral dindus in US cities.

>>130633775
It works in real life too. I'm not saying this is a good solution, just least bad and realistic solution.

>>130633547
Narco violence is enormously glamorized. it wouldn't be a business if they were just random barbarians killing everyone they see.

>>130633764
as much as australia is a shithole

>>130633381

But they ALREADY do this.

A fuck ton of this violence is police/army (on duty and off duty).

That's how it got to this point.

Army says;

>We'll fucking kill you

Cartel says;

>We'll fucking skin you alive

Army says;

>We'll skin your fucking kids alive

And so on and so on.

What got it to this point was the "War On Drugs" in the late 90's - All they did was take control of the drug trade out of the Armies hands, who ran everything relatively smooth and organized and then put it into the hands of free market cowboys.

What has mitigated the violence in the last few years is simply parts of the government turning a blind eye to letting the cops and military go back to running operations.

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>>130634319
yeah okay

you might want to check out the differences in HDI and GDP between the two countries...

>>130633761
But ISIS doesn't capture enemy fighters exclusively, they capture plenty of innocent civilians who are allowed to live under their rule.

The cartels on the other hand don't capture anyone unless they're after their head.

Isis desu. Isis you could troll into just getting shot. Cartels would skin you alive, have in the past taken noncompliant entire towns and killed them all (open borders durrrrr lol)

>>130631476
Wait, you mean murrica lets beaners skin their people?

Cartel torture is brutal. ISIS often gives you a quick death, but sometimes not. But I do know that ISIS would not gouge your eyes out and cut your hands off and tie you on the ground and torture you for hours.

>>130634319

Australia basically has no poverty and murder (except in Aboriginal areas)

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>gay thread
>dem eternal anglo flags only

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>130634713
nah you should read about the DEA oprations that took place after
beaners got BTFO big time

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>>130631013

>>130634512
yeah okay
you might wnat to check out how your abos are living, maybe check out an abo reserve
a fucking shithole you are lmao

>>130634717
Unless you did some fucked up shit or are a high rank member of a rival cartel, most executions are pretty quick and without video.

>>130614305
>>130614544
>Be meztizo
>Cartels undermine and corrupt your governments and drive crime sky high
>b-but haha they are so cool essay. just good boys trying to fight the evil white man
>joins gang
>oops the boss had a heart attack and now his empire is being shredded to bits
>captured
>gets brutally tortured
>last ghasp of air "it's all whiteys fault"
>die naked in some fly infested shithole with a rat shoved up your ass

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>>130634713

>Lets

>Camarena, who had been identified as the source of the leak, was abducted in broad daylight on February 7, 1985 by corrupt police officers working for drug lord Miguel Ángel Félix Gallardo. Camarena was tortured at Gallardo's ranch over a 30-hour period, then murdered. His skull, jaw, nose, cheekbones and windpipe were crushed, his ribs were broken, and a hole was drilled into his head with a power drill. He had been injected with amphetamines and other drugs, most likely to ensure that he remained conscious while being tortured.

>torturers had skinned both the agent's legs and put a bullet in each limb; and Camarena died from an electric drill to his skull.

>Due to the difficulty of extraditing Mexican citizens, the DEA went as far as to detain two suspects, Humberto Álvarez Machaín, the physician who allegedly prolonged Camarena's life so the torture could continue, and Javier Vásquez Velasco; both were taken by bounty hunters into the United States.

>>130632496
I'd think doing a shit job was the point, getting cut little by little rather than quickly is much worse. Notice at :43 they start cutting at his armpits, hardly going to kill him quicky but it's certainly going to hurt.

>>130634293
Fuck off shill. Mexico sucks dick.

ISIS

I'll get sanctified, no greater honor than to die for Christ than end up chopped up in bits in a motel bathroom. .

>>130634922

Technically Aboriginals are only temporary Australians according to the constitution.

Article 25 says we can revoke that status at any time.

>>130613766
Is this the new Ass Creed?

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>>130611135
Mijo... Porfavor. El cartel will make you into posole.

>>130611617
This seems like a bit of overkill desu

I saw a video a few days ago of some cartel thugs hacking off a man's hands and feet while he was still alive before beheading him. ISIS actually seems civilized compared to the cartels. You know how the Legion crucifies a bunch of Powder Gangers in New Vegas? They're right to do so. Drug thugs are more like wild animals than humans.

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>>130634733
>>130635153

very nice, i wonder how we-d look in numbers, if we also pretended natives didnt exist. which amount to 1/4 of our territory and population

im thinking not that different from shitstralia lol. i guess it feels good pretending to be developed

>>130631476
I thought they didn't go after American officers because they'd fuck them up big time?

>>130630029
I am glad there is no audio. I cant handle the audio on these.

At that point he's probably in total shock and barely conscious, just twitching instinctively. After losing that much blood, you are barely hanging on to life. Humans are surprisingly resilient and hard to kill completely, especially when shown no fucking mercy like this. Fuck, we are terrible fucking creatures. This probably won't give me more nightmares than I already have, because this is what my nightmares look like already.

>>130635054
>axillary artery

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>>130611013
ISIS

funkytown.webm

>>130631013
>>130634906
Someone post the ISIS beheading video with the flares and the cinimatic shots.

>>130635661
Those videos make me think ISIS has a lot of 4chan memelords in it.

>>130635049
>the district court judge granted Alvarez's motion for judgment of acquittal on the ground of insufficient evidence to support a guilty verdict.
>Alvarez was repatriated to Mexico.
Wow he truly did recieve justice!

>>130635431

Nah. We're much better/richer.

Come back in 50 years though. Going by our resources we should all be living Saudi tier lives, but for some reason we're more like typical Northern European standards.

We could get Venezuelead one day.

>>130635503

I think that's what happened AFTER this incident. From that point on they'd go a lot harder on them.

I belive "Extraordinary Rendition" (the policy Bush utilized to legally kidnap Al Qaeda mutts from all over the place and send them to Egypt or Poland for torture) was made up as a response to this incident. So they could just send mercs down to Mexico to nab suspects rather than deal with courts.

>>130635589
Well fuck, but these guys hardly look like they know anatomy that well so my interpratation still applies. They were looking to inflict pain rather than a quick death.

>>130635620
What's going on in this gif? Too scared to watch.

>>130635535

Nope nigga.

The audio is what makes this video so fucked up.

He's screamin in agony (or aggressively high pitched gurgling), which is why they jame the pole down his throat. The whole time they're laughing and shit, and one of them gets mad about the music and asks them to change it and they put on...Funky Town, by Lipps Inc.

Which is why people call it "Funky Town"

When you watch the actual video, it just kind of looks like a dead body - but when they start slicing into his neck he starts making these ungodly sounds and jerking around trying to stop them.

>>130635903

Kek.

>>130634594
The cartels commit high 80s% of kidnappings in mexico and the rate that escalates into murder is pretty low.

Drugdealing, armsdealing and browbeating are a business. Jihad is an onslaught that seeks the erasure of your culture.

>>130635903
Guy gets his wood sawed off

>>130635911
Well fuck.

>>130611013
Pretty sure cartels only do those crazy beheadings to rivals and snitches

I find it hilarious how scared are people of cartels
The regular citizen will never have even passing personal knowledge of them. Ironically, besides cartel people themselves, its only people in positions of power (powerful enough to warrant bribing) that may have to deal with them in their lifetime.

In the meanwhile, ISIS has established a medieval alt-state that is systematically bulldozing middle east history, while openly targeting western civilians in terror attacks.

>>130635866
Honestly, I don't even think they cared if they were inflicting pain.

I know some people, we won't get into it but I know that when you're torturing someone for fun you care less about how they're feeling and how fucked up you can make the noises coming out of them sound without actually killing them.

Saying they wanted to make him feel pain is implying the people who do these sort of things feel any sort of empathy during the act.

Besides, as fucked up as it sounds, there are better ways to make someone feel agony.

>>130636088

Nope.

Students, Cab Drivers, Farmers, etc get it too if they are unlucky.

>>130612771
Drug dealers literally glorify Satan dumbass

>>130636088
They do it to innocent people who are connected to rivals as well, to teach them a lesson. They kill field workers of business owners who denounce them and oppose them. A lot of them have formed militias to fight them, but then have been later coopted by narcos. The situation is untenable.

>>130636189
you can be a cartel member AND a student, cab driver, farmer, etc

they dont randomly target people uninvolved with their shit.

>>130636150
No mames guey. You know for a fact that several areas in Mexico (I am Chicano, first gen), have become either narco states, police states, or a combination of both.

People are scared of cartels, but at least a lot are fighting back. But what good does a militia do when the militia becomes corrupted by the same thugs who they were fighting?

>>130635988
It's better to live with conquerors at your gates than with conquerors in your homes. Even life in a caliphate would be better than what you have. Then you only get your limbs hacked off when you've done something wrong.

>>130636150

ISIS don't really affect normies here either.

The shit you see with Muslims that people call ISIS are actually the shit Muslims always did and will always do. ISIS is something Liberals and Muslims hide behind to pretend like the problem isn't Islamic migration.

>>130632783
Real death is not like what you see in movies. Animals and people sometimes take a LOT longer to die than what Hollywood portrays.

>>130611013
Cartel leaders are bro-tier if you're not a little pussy. They just do what they have to.

I'd rather ruin someone else's family than mine, tbhfam

>>130636315

To an outsider it sounds like "innocent" people.

Like those 40 students or whatever. What's the real story there?

Or the cab drivers whose bosses don't pay extortion money?

>>130635620
HOLY SHIT I can't believe they cut his weiner off with a chainsaw.

FUCK that must hurt.

>>130636315
Puros mentiras! You know this is bullshit, and no puedo creer que tu tienes los huevos a dicir puros mensadas aqui en esto for. You know it's bullshit, you know innocents are attacked. Fuck man what is it with you paisanos who defend the narcos. They're not the friends of the people, and you are just lying to yourself if you think thats true.

>>130636215
the """""""militias""""""""" you speak about are cartels themselves, retard. they hijack roads, steal oil pipes, charge "fare" for access to federal freeways, etc. those are NOT regular people.

>>130636332
you've no idea what mexico is like, burger

>>130636150
American media really plays up their size and violence a lot and they genuinelly believe every single inch of Mexico is cartels waiting to jump you just because when in reality it's mostly just Michoacan being Michoacan.

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>>130636189

And Journalists.

>>130636315

>What is Allende
Only a fucking bunch of losers kill people only for his name.

>>130630715
Link ?

>>130636389
in the greater scheme of things, you could say cartels do more damage to the US and Canada than ISIS, given they get meth and shit into those countries, but unlike islamic extremism, drug abuse can be attacked also at the demand-side of things. in theory, the US could stop bankrolling cartels by teaching their people to stop buying mexican-trafficked meth/coke/opiates

>>130636358
You're more likely to be killed in a terror attack than I am to be killed by narco violence.
And even if narcos were the fantasy conquerors american media paints them to be, I'd rather die fighting them than live serving Ahmed. Mexican culture is inherently anti-sharia and I'm not giving up on who I am.

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>>130626004
whats her name

>>130636543
I've spent a lot of time in Mexico mamon, I lived in Tijuas, and a lot of my family are from border towns. But I can't stand it when you guys defend these assholes. It's like fucking Stockholm syndrome. You are so afraid of criticizing them, that you'll open your culo and let them fuck you.

Also of course they are the cartels themselves, that's what I fucking said. But a lot of those people are actual citizens.

Your government is corrupt, and a narco state. That being said, the US government enables the narcos and gringos here are the reason why the demand for drugs is so high. Don't lecture me about the impact your apologism, combined with rich gringos here, has had. And yeah I'm more of a fucking Torta than a Burger but whatever.

>>130636463
That was a political killing. Those students where paid agitators and the municipal government ordered a hit via their cartel buddies. Mind you, the people paying those students are also linked to criminal activities. It was all a shitfest.

both are shit.

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>>130635054
>I'd think doing a shit job was the point

Yeah I know dude

>>130636509
I never said they were friends of the people. But mexico is relatively stable economically and politically BECAUSE cartels simply don't have the resources or motivations to engage in actual terrorism against the general population.

You emotional tirade is pointless unless you provide some evidence of your argument.

>>130636463
>Like those 40 students or whatever. What's the real story there?
Political dissidents from a corrupt techer's syndicate. They periodically steal buses except these particular group stole a bus that was moving drugs and got turned into swiss cheese.

As mentioned above, most narcos want to pretend they don't exist, but won't pull their punches if you mess with their shit.

>>130636887
It was a political AND a narcoterrorist killing. Don't downplay that shit. We get it, it's safe in certain regions. I tell every scared white person this on a the regs, it's not like the movies, but don't act like this shit isn't a problem that claims countless lives. The worst thing Americans do is not knowing the whole story and thinking they own the place when they go, and also thinking that the entire state is a violent warzone. Both of those things are false.

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>>130611617
This was hilarious, you are all pussies if you can't laugh at this.

>>130611013
Isis because they would only chop my head. The mexican cartel will drug you meth to keep you awake when they torture you. I've seen videos where the cartel forced a man to eat his own fingers

>>130636624
>Michoacan being Michoacan.

Michoacan and Oaxaca have been ingovernable hellholes for decades making them ripe for cartel takeovers. The federal government is to blame, but that is hardly a new phenomenon

>>130637022
I never said they engaged in terrorism against the general populations. My primo was fucking gunned down by these assholes. Sorry if I might have some bias. Like I said, I am not painting the whole of mexico of being dangerous, but the narco controlled areas are fucked, and to claim otherwise is dishonest.

>>130636873
You watch too much netflix narco shows and your opinion carries absolutely no value whatsoever to anyone who actually lives here.

Cartel seems less inclined to torture.

ISIS choose exotic execution methods like immolation, drowning, and, and crucifixation. They really want death to be a spectacle.

>>130637252
Like I said, my cousin was murdered by these people, they're fucked. And the more that the US wages its pointless drug war, the more it's going to keep happening.

>>130636873
>border towns
That's the problem. You pochos, gringos and chicanos think Tijuana is all of Mexico and that's just not it.
The border is shit, Michoacan is shit, parts of Guerrero and Oaxaca are shit. We still have a territory twice the size of the colonies where it's more likely to get killed by a cow than a narco.

>>130637107
Of course its a problem. The fact that municipal governments are PART of cartel power structures is a huge problem. This means all low level police is corrupt in those places. But what i mean is that those were not random killings for no reason. And those students knew the people putting them against an extremely corrupt governor with no form of protection at all where also not good people, and they still did it, because of money

>>130633774
>I figure if they go out of their way to kidnap you that you probably did something bad enough to earn an execution

Nah. Looking like easy pickings is good enough to get you dead.

>>130637405
That was my point dude. it's just as stupid to assume that all of the US is Detroit. That was not what I was implying.

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>>130637022

in 2018 that is going to change with chavez 2.0 in power.

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>>130631325
One guy from /k/ once mentioned how a cartel member dropped a head on the street by accident and used it as a ball to kick around, then looked at his car and waved at him, some thigns are truly hilarious.

>>130611271
>mexican cartel
>post pic of colombian shlag

isis. even a christian will be safer under isis compared to cartels. unless you are a journalist or enemy soldier, they will not kill you. you will pay jizya and still will be alive.

>>130636315

Narcos are BIG into human trafficking, they kidnap, rape, and sell innocent women into sex slavery.

>>130637709
At worst we get some economic instability and the peso will tank a bit but we wont get venezuela'd. Our econ actually robust (compared to venezuela's), and AMLO has openly antagonized our army and police forces so if he gets too out of control, theyll just kill him.

>>130637875
True. One thing a lot of gringos don't get is that Mexico has a massively growing economy and middle class. It's almost like they don't want to believe it or they just don't want it to happen.

>>130634488
>What got it to this point was the "War On Drugs" in the late 90's

That's a total fairytale. It blew up because it became much easier to move the goods across the border because of NAFTA. The DEA also cracked down on domestic US meth and barbituate producers about the same time. The cartels took over the meth trade after that.

>>130611617
BUILD

>>130611013
apart from that one guy they burned, isis usually go pretty easy on you
most of the time they just shoot you ffs

>>130636837
And your politicians are infinitely more likely than ours to wind up with their heads decorating some windshields for not bowing down to them. They don't kill people who are already underneath their boots. Even having so many cartels should make you ashamed. If your house has cockroaches, you don't tell yourself that it's fine as long as they don't take up 51% of the space. Your country would be steamrolled by ISIS. You can't even stomp out some drug thugs, but you think that you'd have a better chance against religious zealots?

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>>130637875

>Local Government Forces openly killing the president
Well, if you want the USA to bring democracy and turn mexico in a new Syria, go ahead in trying that, maybe because that possible situation in venezuela the venezuelan army haven't killed Maduro.

>>130637859
>kidnap
narcos do human trafficking, but they are feed women and kids by local kidnapping rings all over mexico, centro america and part of south america. narcos just buy them in bulk and resell them

>>130637404
The problem isnt the War on Drugs but the way u fight that war. U shud go full-on Duterte on these fucks, kill dealers, kill their associates, force all captured gang/cartel members to turn or kill them too. And build the wall too of course. Your drug problem will be solved within a couple months.

>>130638044
It was both those things. Free Trade, which was the only thing I agreed with candidate Donald on (and now seems to have reneged on), was a fucking big neoliberal mistake.

And the rise of the private prison industry had a big part in the drug war and mass incarceration. That coupled with rich gringos who love drugs made for big business which made a lot of Mexican families rich beyond their wildest dreams.

>>130638090
Thing is if protests get to intense here, and someone orders the army or the police to use lethal force against civilians, they will not want to do that. There is a huge stigma about that here given the massacre in '68. Military higher ups have stated they will never again allow any of their branches to be used like that. If AMLO goes on a power trip and tries to repress protests violently, it wont end well for him

>>130638076
I think the answer here is that both groups are equally as fucked up and brutal in their methods. And I also think the Cartels would kick the shit out of ISIS if they were ever at war with each other. ISIS are fucking pussies and run whenever they get met with organized opposition and naked aggression. Yeah, they're both the scum of the earth.

>>130638100

God Damn learn English you retard.

>>130638118
>Your drug problem will be solved within a couple months.
Yes because power vacuums always stay empty and the demand-side of the drug market won't make it attractive for anyone to get into the business. Right

You are giving Duterte too much credit, not only is likely running his own drug op, but his government is unstable enough to be the target of isis takeovers on entire portions of it (and its a tiny fraction of mexico's size)

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>>130638259

Yeah, that is how the Syrian war started.

>there are people actually saying cartels
>someone already posted that one video as the 6th reply
>some mexicans are even trying to argue that cartels are not as savage
>200,000 deaths
wew

>>130638118
We've already been doing this! We incarcerate people at massive rates, guess what it doesn't work. Legalize and decriminalize is the only option, if you are against that, then you are against personal freedom and liberty and have unAmerican values.

How's Duterte's war going for him? Is all drug use eradicated? Is addiction not a social issue? 'Fuck out of here.

>>130638501
you are ignoring vested interests to de-stabilize syria from their regional competitors and the US

>>130638454
The guy speaks more than one fucking language, which is better than most people in the US. You're just a fucking asshole, I can understand him just fine.

>>130638556
cartels view fags and trannies as regular people to kill, ISIS will go all over the way and kill you if someone says you are gay, for a gay only nation like you you should also take this in mid.

>>130638712

Yo tambien hablo Espanol y poquito Japanese.

>>130638733
So they're both virulently homophobic, makes sense. Although in some cities, it seems like trans prostitution is tolerated.

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>>130638507

Consider that while being consider a warzone by several int. agencies, we arent even considerably higher in crime statistics than the USA.

>>130638708

>USA
>only interested in destabilize Syria
pedro pls.

>>130638883
Japones? No sea encajoso sin razon, es todo.

>>130636315
>they dont randomly target people uninvolved with their shit.

WRONG. They target anyone in their territory who refuses to become involved in their shit plus randoms who mistakenly wander across cartel happenings. Also fuck with plenty of poor kids just because they can.

>>130636424
>Cartel leaders are bro-tier if you're not a little pussy. They just do what they have to.

You watch too much TV. They are bro tier if they think they have a use for you. That's as far as it goes, and the only way out is death.

>>130638955
you know what i mean; you are being willfully irrational by trying to push the argument that mexico is a syria analog because both countries have vastly distinct things going on for them.