WHY THE FUCK WOULD I WORK IF I CAN LIVE OF WELFARE?

>>130596901
you worthless piece of shit.
take responsibility for yourself or fuck off and die.

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>tfw no commie gf

>>130596901
Because it's really unattractive and nothing shrinks ovaries/dicks faster than unproductive members of society.

>>130596901
>Why would I work if I can live of welfare?
HAHAHAHA
Wel-Fare Bum.
Low Standard Sandy
Someone No One Wants to Mate With
All Around Degenerate
The Antithesis of the Ubermensch

>>130597021
Yes, I'm worthless and I take pride in being worthless in capitalist society. It's the most moral thing I can do.
>>130597371
You'd be surprised how many girls don't care about that. Except if you are searching for moneydiggers.

Why live off welfare when I make 100 000 a year. Im 36 and almost never work from Investing. Im not the millionare stock broker but 100 000 a year when doing 2 hours of work a day is much better then 0 hours a day with 10 000 a year

>>130597021
>>130597371
Hes right though. Its a genius plan for the lazy man and he can get away with it. Now that its blatent using the system can we get rid of welfare and let the useless just die if they cant work?

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>>130597236
Best I managed to find is soc dem, Women are hopelessly centrist for some reason.

>>130596901
i've pondered this because i have a medical issue that makes life slightly harder than it should be. Most places for information I see basically say if you're a white male without kids you're probably going to die before you can live the neet lifestyle unless you know some kinda trick..

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>>130596901
If people want communism so they can just be welfare queens. Think again, you will be forced to work.

>>130596901
Some people have aspirations and know they are better than 99% of the population, aka me

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>>130596901
>Why would I work if I can live of welfare?
leftypol at it's finest

>>130597694
Not if you have, A shirt worth more then 6$

>>130596901
because you and everyone else will reach the same conclusion and suddenly no one will be living on welfare.

>>130596901
you're a coward. if everyone did what you were doing, the system would collapse tomorrow, which is obviously what we all want. however, other people have dependents. families. shit to do, goals, hobbies. to position your decision to leach off of those people as a moral boon to the world is dishonest; if you want to justify your laziness, you may do so within a capitalist paradigm, but not a socialist one.

if you were sincere, you'd work under the table and build up your community. but you're not actually principled, you're just justifying yourself.

I like to masterbate once a day not 18 ill take my car over depression

>>130596901
People with your mindset are the reason communism fails. If everybody acted like you society would collapse. You are a worthless leech.

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>>130596901
commies are a shit and im white as george w bush

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>>130596901
Stolen pasta

>>130596901
I can't wait until the dollar collapses and worthless parasites like you screech autistically for your vanished gibs.

I sense troll

>>130598197
Thass right, in /your/ communist utopia, you'll succeed in creating the New Man who will work for the common good, unlike the previous 5 serious tries at it.

>>130596901
>why would I not be a useless, leeching piece of shit when I can be a useless, leeching piece of shit?
Gee, I don't know.

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>>130596901
>Its just another form of capitalism but its me exploiting you
It IS you exploiting society. Not doing it well but still, yes, you'd be exploiting society and everyone knows it so you would have no freinds.
>instead of some store owner exploiting me as a worker.
Ok I'm gonna explain this slowly so you can understand. (I'm assuming you're not past UnderGraduate age.)
The store owner IS NOT exploiting you. You are in a VOLUNTARY agreement with the store worker to trade your labour for money. If he doesn't give you enough money, you're free to not give him your labor. If you ask for more than he's willing to pay, he can hire someone else. VOLUNTARY. And then, after a long week of work at a job you don't really enjoy, you get to take the money that you earned with your labor and buy things with it. AND THAT FEELS GOOD. Knowing that you have what it takes to make a good life for yourself FEELS GOOD. The property will feel like it's YOURS because it is and you earned it. You start to respect work, self determination and the rights and property of others. You become a decent human being. And that FEELS GOOD.

>>130596901
Let's be honest, how does it feel that you can not afford anything when and where, have no self respect, and achieve nothing in life.
What can you do? And you are dumb enough to brag about it? :')

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>>130596901

Commies produce nothing of value anyway, so you pulling out of whatever shit-tier "work" you did at the local collective coffee shop won't be missed by anyone.

>>130598133
+1

>>130597539
> The Antithesis of the Ubermensch
literally the opposite, its not my fault you are getting triggerd because of being raped in the ass by your overlords every day
>>130597637
I wouldn't really know what to do with that amount of money. As long as I can buy or borrow a book here and there and can eat meat almost every day I'm pretty happy.
>>130597737
My trick is writing critiques for local newspapers seldomly - I just spew some postmodern shit here and there and they're impressed. Hope it gives at least some kind of idea.
>>130597933
Even if I had money I would pretend that I'm poor just to be sure that I'm not dating a moneydigger.
>>130597762
I know and agree. I'd gladly work under just and fair system.

>>130596901
But you can do that. The problem is the lack of respect society gives to you/lack of quality females but if you don't care about that then it has no downsides besides having to cut corners.

>>130598228
Had no idea about that, but my points are still valid tho.

>>130598710
>just and fair system
It will never be fair. You will become a slave.

>>130596901

>want UBI
>jews automate everything
>no more jobs except for jews
>jews introduce UBI
>everyone celebrates and gets neeting

>oh shit we need you goyim to do XX
>goyim don't want to
>UBI cuts unless goyim do XX
>literally a slave to the jew
>thanks international communism!

this is what they've been working towards for the last 300 years.

>>130596901
Because it means you're no better than a nigger, who is useless out of incompetence.

>>130598710
U want a fair system, yet exploit others, what are you, 12? It's always me me me me me

>>130596901
>Why would I work if I can live of welfare?
So you don't want anything else in life than a tiny apartment, no car, no holiday trips, no luxuries whatsoever?
Isn't that enough to motivate most people to get a job?

>>130596901
Because it's immoral, and niggers getting colonised has what to do with this? Also, workers aren't exploited by employers, they get paid to do certain tasks for a pre-agreed price. A truly intelligent being would work hard and build something to better their living standards. The fact that certain things are natural, like being a lazy parasite, doesn't mean that they should be acted upon, that's what sets us above the animals. Moreover the system collapses if everyone takes the leftwing approach of leaching off of others whilst claiming that's what others do. I think you're projecting your own frustrations tbqhfamalam, otherwise you wouldn't have made this retarded thread. You say that as if white genocide is not important, are you a cuck or a nigger? Who exactly do we protest to about parasitic lefty welfare queens and kikes who encourage white genocide? Protesting is usually for faggots who throw tantrums, which is why the left love doing it so much. What do I have to gain from rebelling whilst our numbers aren't big enough? Why should I lose my source of income? There's no point until the vast majority of whites understand that leftism inevitably leads to fags like you, then we can actually make some progress

>>130598710
Women like someone who can help them If your poor you cant help them. Its not they love men with moneybags its called a sense of security. And with 100 000 a year I can pay for my child university. I had a son At 18 years old instead of complaining and blaming capitalism I got my hands dirty I worked. I lived off the same welfare that you did. how does it feel knowing That with your 10g could have made me go to university and become a historian like I always wanted?

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really makes me think

Living on welfare means living in a shit house, eating shit food and living almost like a street bum. But be my guest and try living on welfare alone if you think it's that easy.

The reality is that many people on welfare are cheating the system with unreported employment because living on welfare alone is not possible.

>>130596901
>15 years of not working or leaving your house later
I TAKE IT BACK GUYS

>>130597840
Yep, those burgers ain't gonna flip themselves buddy.

>>130598023
Don't you get it isn't welfare that's the problem it's (((capitalism))). It's literally impossible to win because the whole point of (((capitalism))) is to make a profit. How do you make a profit? By flooding the market with shitskins who'll do the work for less than the going rate because less than the going rate in a first world country is 6,000,000 times the going rate in some desert shithole.
If you work you pay taxes which goes to importing niggers who'll take your job. If you don't work the important niggers will take your job regardless, just you aren't paying for it yourself. And the shitskins who don't work, only come to first world countries for an easy life or they're known criminals and just live on welfare? Well that's part and parcel of living in a (((capitalist))) country desu you'll always get some bad eggs, you don't know what he's been through back home in Bumfuckistan etc.
If you're in this thread working your 9-5 you're the very definition of a goy.

>>130598228
damn that's stupid. let's see
>1 you can actually legislate the poor into prosperity by giving them AN OPPORTUNITY which most poor people don't have because they're disadvantaged, ie can't pay for a decent college degree. You can't ever get wealthy if you don't get the chance to fulfill your potential
>2 in other news water is wet. does that mean we should let the sick and the elderly just rot away, and not give children a chance to study so that one day they can generate prosperity and then care for us when we're old and sick?
>3 is literally the same as 2
>4 nice strawman. whoever said something like this?
>5 of course, because you get such an awesome life on welfare amirite? You get a teeny tiny apartment with no a/c maybe even no heating, no car, no vacation trips, no big expenses, no eating out except maybe McShit, no iPhone, no macbook, no gaming PC, no XBOX/PS/Nintendo, no dishwasher and no clothes dryer. OF COURSE HALF THE PEOPLE ARE FINE LIVING LIKE THIS!!! WHO WOULDN'T BE??

>>130598133
>>130598687
>if you want to justify your laziness, you may do so within a capitalist paradigm, but not a socialist one.
I agree with you completely. All of my arguments function even if we exclude socialist narrative. Thing is I'm mostly trying to make you people aware that there is no such thing as morality, justice - that is the final redpill. If I want to leech of others I don't have to excuse myself, only thing you can do is try to stop me.

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>>130597898
Sup, /pol/.

Lets save the white race, the ((kikes)) brainwash women and they dont date me.

>>130599831
>we should let the sick and the elderly just rot away,
Why not? Tell me one argument for a broken, non-profitable unit to be subsidized by the system, bringing everyone else down, instead of thrown away and replaced?

>>130596901
>Why would I work if I can live of welfare?
If you have to ask that question you are probably the kind of degenerate scum that would never understand the answer, which is obvious to actual human beings.
sage subhuman posts

>>130597236
Black nipples...yuck

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>>130599979
Sadly, You are not remotely important enough to be stopped or even cared for, do what you like, like nobody changes the mindset of jihadists, nobody changes the quality of that 1 spoiled egg, u just get thrown and forgotten, have fun with your life in the trash

>>130596901
Because it's infantile, humiliating, and sub-human. Your philosophy is a sad rationalization for your worthlessness. If I saw you bleeding to death on the street (and knew you were an adamant welfare bum), I would just keep walking.

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>>130599995
Sup, /pol/.

It's the capitalists' fault that I have no job or real education, and that I wasted 4 years of my life and tens of thousands of dollars for a useless "degree." Of course, I can't actually say WHO these capitalists are because that would be antisemitic, and the people who developed my liberating philosophy were Jews.

>>130599979
>there is no such thing as morality, justice
I agree mostly, and that is why the kikes should be gassed.

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>>130598526
Problem is that its not voluntary except in theory. Read on dialectial materialism. You can't just start a job from nowhere if there is already a whole capitalist infrastructure of so called free market built around you. If I want to, for example be a carpenter I cant be competitive on market on my own because there are bigger producers, big companies instead of me - a petty and lone carpenter. And this coondition of means of production being in hands of the rich or upper middle class in inherited from feudalism thus - historical dialectics. THis is problem with you capitalist - you believe in some imaginary rationale and have no historical context. Btw nice pic.

>>130596901
Where did all these furious wageslaves come from? Reddit?

Being NEET is master race. Every day I wake up refreshed from 8 hours of sleep and I read books, lift weights, and eat homecooked, clean food. No take out for me.

Wageslaves, just admit that you're jealous and you'd trade lives with me in a heartbeat. After all, you're just working to retire and do what I'm doing right now. :P

>>130600912
Nor would anybody hire a third rate carpenter just because he "wanted" to be one, fucking toilet philosopher

>>130600993
To add to this, the Jews want you to slave at work everyday so you can:
A. Pay taxes to fund white genocide
B. Be too tired to resist Jewish subversion

>>130598228
2. Robots.

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>>130598593
I live in a shithole so I wouldn't be able to afford anything even if I worked hard. It's easy to say if you were raised in a functional family where you met your father and have a functioning society and steady income in stable family.

>>130596901
Because they can, period.

I hate moral discussions because they divide from reality, yes, they made a ideology so dumbasses would find correct to be exploited, get the power yourself and convince them to serve you.

I am also a welfare queen. I am not proud of it but I don't give a fuck or want for anything.

>>130600193
NOT
WHAT I CALL
AN ARGUEMENT

>>130600993
>>130601203
This. Sabotaging system from within is most effective solution.

>>130596901
...you get to choose what food to eat
+infinitely more reasons

>>130600912
>you can't just be a carpenter
right, you should become an apprentice carpenter first, then a journeyman, then a master carpenter
>I can't be competitive on my own
freelance carpenters are common, as it is in the welding, pipe fitting, boilermaking, etc. trades.

leave it to a fucking communist to never have worked a day in his life, let alone a blue collar job of his "proletariat"

useless people like you get the gulag in your perfect system.

>>130600912
>If I want to, for example be a carpenter I cant be competitive on market on my own because there are bigger producers, big companies instead of me - a petty and lone carpenter.
HAHAHA WHAT?????
I'm a petty loan Pipefitter and I'm doing fucking fantastic BECAUSE there was an existing infastructure for me to work within.
I will read what you recommended but from the way you make it sound I'm thinking that whatever "intellectual" came up with it was someone without any physical talents or prowess.
But Comrade, my overall point is this:
You can do better than Wel-Fare man.
I can tell you're an intelligent person, but - and forgive me for saying this - you seem misguided.
If you could put your talents to good use you'd be doing good for yourself and good for society and that's a net good.

>>130601263
>Dysfunctional family
>Fatherless
>Shit country
>Defeated
>Resentful

Oh, here we go. Now comes the real story. Guess what, OP... leave your shit country, grow a backbone, and fucking TRY. You'd be amazed how much you're underestimating yourself.

>>130601661
>right, you should become an apprentice carpenter first, then a journeyman, then a master carpenter

Dont you see the obvious pyramidal scheme of that?

>>130601580
For what, I aint revolting just to change owner.

>>130600569
>Because it's infantile, humiliating, and sub-human.
why?

>>130601759
>Dont you see the obvious pyramidal scheme of that?
You're free to make your way up the ranks and start your own pyramid.

>>130601935
>you are free to be fucked in the ass or to starve without a job!

You go back to the argument of commie >>130600912

>>130601714
yes
yes
no
no
no

>>130601759
>Dont you see the obvious pyramidal scheme of that?
>learning skills is a pyramid scheme

apprentice carpenters would be making $12-18 an hour and after 1-3 years would be making about 25-50% more. Most hardcore journeyman and above welders/boilermakers who follow the work make high 5 to 6 digit salaries

or you can be a useless "communist" who has never held a tool and thinks he'd be a card carrying party member as his job in the communist utopia instead of under a sprinkling of lye in a ditch as comrade Jim and Tyrone put down the parasites.

>>130596901
>Why would I work if I can live of welfare?

Because in socialist paradise everybody works comrade, and if you don't work, commissar Bernstein will pay a visit to you and send you to work camp.

>>130602036
>waah waah Bubba got a bigger toy than me mommy break his toy waaaaaaaah :(((((((

>>130598878
>When he ironically becomes a coffee shop hipster libcuck only to realize that makes him unironically a hipster libcuck anyway...

>>130602222
>he fell for the hard work meme
Good goy! Keep being the pray, I will be a predator.

>>130597021
>nuh responsibility
Good goy.
>>130597371
>thinks celebrities are productive
>thinks rich people are productive
kek. Chicks go for the unproductive types. You just can't between being productive and taking credit for others' productivity. You going to business school?

Live for art OP ;^)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAExa9P7hME

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agreed OP

my day so far
>woke up at 5 because I went for a piss and the moon and stars were still out, looked cool
>took photos of moon
>took dog for a walk to beach while hungover tradesmen driving past with coffees looking miserable as fuck
>checked the surf, no good
>drove to dealers house and picked up half an ounce
>literally just had brunch, don't have breakfast but had a nice smoked salmon egg and avocado on turkish bread
>about to work on unity project Ive been chipping away at
>might go for a surf later or get firewood

feelsgoodman

pic related, biggest decision in my day is whether to surf the left or right

>>130602411
I know in chile the go to is to rob and murder your neighbor but that is why we're building a wall to keep south american niggers in their containment zone.

>>130602250
Not every minute of every day, you cuck. 4 hour work days, without spending another 4 hours or more working for some useless self-superior obstacle, would be pretty awesome desu.

>>130602485
Theres a line between risk takers and sad people who cannot even bother let alone manage to pick their own ass up, and you fall into the latter, learn the difference

>>130596901
pls gib sauce on the whore

>>130601759
There is a hierarchy, yes. All social interactions have a hierarchy.

>>130600039
they can consume which is a very important part of the capitalist experience you dumb sandnigger

>>130596901
Problem is, eventually you run out of other people's money.

Imagine if everyone decided to be government teat-suckling NEETs. The government would have no money to pay anyone and you'd become a 3rd world shithole.

Communism/Socialism only works on a small scale.

>>130601680
>I'm a petty loan Pipefitter and I'm doing fucking fantastic BECAUSE there was an existing infastructure for me to work within.
Okay, but why do I need the middle man, why do I need the existing infrastructure? I don't want them. The final ideal of communism, in my interpretation would be self employment and abolishment of industrial modes of production, division of labour and such - self employment incidentally being also a wet dream of many ancaps and libertarians that I talked to as weill. You see - we do not differ as much in our goals but rather in means of achieving it.
>I will read what you recommended
Give it a go. You may not like Marx but you might be willing to admit that free market isn't really so free after reading it.
>I can tell you're an intelligent person, but - and forgive me for saying this - you seem misguided.
Thanks, I guess. I'm trying to make a living as a writer but noone reads poetry these days lol I guess thats the reason why artists and people in social sciences are almost always leftist - our stuff simply isn't marketable.

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>>130596901
Nigger

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>>130602292
Ne seri vastašo!

>>130602803
They are still a net loss. It's like you're trying to build a perpetuum mobile and have all these inefficient parts in it and you lose energy in each transfer.

It would be more efficient to just remove them, subsidize the excess goods directly, and then throw them away.

>>130602872
Unemployment and welfare is the cornerstone of a healthy economy.

>>130602669
>the thieves are outside
Fucking kek, dont you see how you are exploited by high class thieves? the jew bankers,politicians, the marketer that makes you consume,your boss, your wife(2d?) and so on.

Tell me do you really are doing what you want or you keep rationalizing that your position is "fair" based on some ideology pushed in? Thats literally the untersmench

>>130596901
You're right. Which is why such systems should be thrown out as it's a system the rewards leeching off of others.

>>130596901
Nice bait thread, but workers don't need welfare, bosses who exploit need welfare to calm the masses. Also Communism didn't produce porn.

>>130602919
>communist making a living as a writer
Why am I not surprised, you know I meet very few communists who actually are laborers.

>>130596901
This is you OP

https://youtu.be/EdnGTlQI11A

>>130601714
Yes and my mother is allso crippled but that doesn't disqualify my arguments. You have to accept that there are at least 4 billion people living worse than me. And when we try to leave our countries we are an infestation but when we stay we are poor.

Only thing you can do about that is killing of all the poor people but its reallistically unachievable and poor would revolt.

>>130603190
>implying only unemployed people leech off others
Look outside. See that guy with more cars than he knows what do with and 3 houses?
People suffered for that

>>130603190
That's right, lets remove capitalism, lets stop leeching of workers by useless capitalists who produce nothing at all.

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>>130596901

>>130596901

because you can break free of the confines of state dependence

>>130602919
So the story is out, you are bitter because you didn't know that psychology students do not become psychologists and so you just want everything to be equal on your side of things. No effort, same rewards

The Middle man brings accountability, I do not give money to people who cannot be held accountable, so that people with similar mentalities like you can abuse it like you are abusing the existing system no matter how righteous you set it up as.

>>130602872
>wise old men have no value in the economy

>>130603514
>People suffered for that
suffered is way too strong of a word for the context

>>130603568
Russia is doing so well, aren't they? Highest AIDS, aborting, divorces, prostitution, 300% more than in last days of crisis Socialism, they really are doing so well with their 300 dollar salaries if boss happens to pay and not forget + rent everything. Praise Jesus.

>>130603514
>>130603538
To a Capitalist:
Leeches=Some spic/nigger getting welfare and spending it on brooze and drugs
To commies:
The CEO of a company that gave thousands of people jobs, invests in other companies, and gives products to through consenting transactions

>>130602723
>risk takers
Bullshit. These people risk nothing of their own and everything of other people's. When the hell have you seen a fund manager not get paid for losing a huge chunk of money?
Literally kill yourself you pasta-making shitball.

>>130602919
>I'm trying to make a living as a writer

"intellectuals" are shot at the base of the skull and thrown into a ditch in literally every implemented communist system

The irony of you political prostitutes is one of the reasons why the proletariat will adopt themselves to a communist system is because the pipefitter you're arguing against gets to send you to the fucking gulag.

Because the heavy train is soon coming to halt and you better have some skill of you want to keep existing, fucko.

>>130603618
>break free of the confines of state dependence by getting a mortgage with government jew banking sector, live in the house you don't own, raise 2 and a half children, be a modern man and support your wife by doing all of her work after you get home from doing your work, pay your utility bills with bank cards all running smoothly within the system, keep pumping your money into raising the kids who, when old enough will want nothing more than for you to hurry up and die so they can get the last of your shit that hasn't already been taken, settle for the once a week fuck that drops off into once a nothing, turn to alcohol, get fat unfit unhappy, pay the house off when you're 70 years old to enjoy it for a few years before you forget who you are and are shipped to a retirement home to die.

sounds awesome

>>130603916
>Communism
>investment
You don't seem to understand what Communism is. I don't need to gamble, speculate or invest into something i own.

>>130603916
Where is Trumps tax return?

>>130603916
>>130603845
I mean suffered as in some poor bastard worked his hands to the bone for fuck all while some other cunt takes the profit

suffered

>>130603736
>The Middle man brings accountability
kek. They charge you quite handsomely for that fake accountability, too.
>>130603916
>gave thousands of people jobs
Waht if they had no reason to be "his" to "give" in the first place? Stop sucking oligarch dick for the first time in your life and realize that the only thing he "gave" was access to a small piece of his government gibs.

>>130604045
sorry I forgot the big once a year vacation for 2 weeks, so worth it

>>130604079
>something i own.
>communist society
>private ownership

>>130603953
Does your economy consist of nothing but fund managers? I'm sorry we live in different planets, might explain things

>>130597236
pretty sure that's Cindy Starfall, vietnamese pornstar

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>>130602661
I know how it feels, I live in a coastal city too. I notice that people living in shittier climates tend to be more hardworking for reasons obvious.

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>>130596901
You work because you have to start somewhere. Stay consistently employed and you will eventually earn a middle class lifestyle.

If you just collected welfare you will always be just barely surviving.

>>130604147
and in a communist economy this wouldn't happen?

>>130596901

If you want to destroy a country that's what you do. This was part of why the Roman Empire slowly faded. In the later Empire, peasant farmers who had returned home from their military duties found their farm land confiscated by the Roman elites and ended being serfs on their own land. During this time Rome itself started a welfare program. A load a bread a day and some money. The peasant farmers said fuck this shit working as a serf and serving my country I'm going to the big city and live the easy life.

Why work? Because maybe you might want to live above the bottom of the barrel? You could make a dozen or so babies and get more money, but on your own its not much of an existence

>>130596901
You just answered for yourself why welfare is retarded.

>>130598930
I'm not against having a job I like (studying to be a technician atm) but I won't do shit work for slave wages, I'm pretty happy living a minimal lifestyle and I already live in a beachside paradise so I don't really give a shit about vacations.

>>130604416
Depends on where you live, I know guys in their 40s on welfare here who live comfy as fuck.

>>130604352
>private ownership
>personal ownership
never go full retard
Renting isn't ownership, that means you have no money aka you will go into debt. Communism doesn't has renting or debt. When you nationalize country you own your country, there is no foreign money you need to compare against, no stocks, no masters. I buy a house for 10000 dollars easily, since there is no private businessmen tax, i buy insurance easily because there are no insurance companies, just clean cash. Capitalism creates knots and lots of useless companies, lots of useless medication, lots of useless marriages, this is why you have high tax, you speculate your whole life, gamble whole life. Socialism doesn't gambles and doesn't has prostitutes, it punishes degeneracy and wives invest into family instead of chase money, that's how the propaganda and laws say. Capitalism doesn't even has a law against cheating, it supports cheating.

>>130604463
Im only explaining what i meant by suffered.

Im unsure if it would happen in a communist economy as I'm not knowledgeable on the topic (besides propaganda media) , but I'm not discussing that, if it did, it would also be unfair, in any economy.

unemployed aren't the only leeches, but usually the easiest to shift blame to

>>130604362
Consider for just a moment how much of "muh THE economy" is run by fund managers and other banker types who aren't accountable for a damn thing.
Risk is antisocial and there's no reason to compensate you for it.

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>>130602919
>You see - we do not differ as much in our goals but rather in means of achieving it.
I agree. We're both interested in what is the best way for men to live together in a society and I know exactly why you think Communism is it:
Because Communism is a PERFECT & RATIONAL System of Governance.
And that's why it doesn't work for human beings. Because it leaves no room for imperfection and human beings are imperfect and irrational actors.
In order to make up for the imperfections of the subjects under Communism the Authority must use GREAT FORCE and when the subjects are on the receiving end of said force they rebel. And rebellion will cause The Authority to use GREATER FORCE which again the people will rebel against ad infinitum until POP, the bubble burts and unlike a Market recession Communism isn't able to take that collapse . This will happen time and time again as we've seen so far.

>You may not like Marx but you might be willing to admit that free market isn't really so free after reading it.
It's wise to consider the context Marx was writing in. Capitalism in his day was more akin to what we'd call Corporatism today. He was very right in seeing flaws in it. However, I think if Marx were alive to see what happened in the 20th Century, how Markets got freer and Capitalism endured while Communism collapsed he would recant his theory or at least make some MAJOR revisions.
>I'm trying to make a living as a writer
I wanted to write Screenplays and work in Hollywood. I took a trade while studying Screenwriting on my own and learned how to do it and wrote several scripts, none I was able to option, so I know how you feel. It's tough. I've since given up on that dream (actually a huge weight off my shoulders) and now do a bit of freelance writing on the net and Stand-up Comedy and although I get paid basically nothing to do it, I'm still making more than I ever did in screenwriting kek

>>130604627
>>130602661
>bottom of the barrel lifestyle
according to you friend

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>>130603568
This is whole other topic but in short - this is why bolshevism is needed. You have to realize that Lenin and top party officials were litteral neets prior to the revolution and party system was designed to promote people from social science fields as benevolent leaders of populace.

Capitalism vs communism in its essence is more like STEM vs Social sciences people being at the top.

I really hope this is parody.

Nobody can be this stupid.

>>130596901
>WHY THE FUCK WOULD I WORK IF I CAN LIVE OF WELFARE?
is an argument against socialism you dense shit

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>>130604890
You got me there. When you live in a majority white country, you can have nice things. But in the US niggers ruin everything and as your country becomes blacked you will start to see your paradise society crumble.

>>130596901
>this post
>this flag
Top laff

>>130604501
I don't want to be a serf. Easy life it is.

>>130604890
where you live anon? probably my neighbor

>>130605212
In the macro, maybe, but consider it in the micro, where extra marginal hours become less attractive and more offensive once basic needs are satisfied.

>>130596901
??? this is literally an anti-socialist argument. We agree nigger, abolish welfare.

>>130605065
Social sciences don't imply Socialism. To socialize or to be part of group is basis to every village, town, country, even animals.

One thing i liked about the USSR was everyone worked, no lazy shitheads

Officials would find kids loitering in the streets & grab them & get em a job

You can see how crime & STD's have sky rocketed in Russia now, lots of people literally fucking around

>>130605349

Bread and Circuses for all!

>>130605065
>Lenin and top party officials were litteral neets prior to the revolution
Lenin and the top party officials were jews who sought to exploit an unstable country to gain leadership

>>130600993
enjoy life knowing your a failure of society, knowing you will never own up to anything, and that your a pure leech

>>130605537
>abolish welfare
>welfare workers instantly unemployed
>social services instantly unemployed
>anything welfare related job=unemployed
>no unemployed
>no workers to fill positions
>workers leave one company for another instantly company loses labor

unemployment isn't an option in a healthy economy. It's a necessity. Smart anons with values above materialism take advantage of this as companies and greedy bosses take advantage of workers (probably worse, at least it's clear where an unemployed person stands in society). what's the problem?

>>130596901
Breadlines are not freedom of xhoice when it comes to food.
Niggers in the projects ate better food then the people living in the soviet union during the 1980's

>>130601450
get a job maybe

>>130606167
unlikely

>>130604989
Implying that risk is only taken by bankers. You can tell that to your parents that their risk of having you was anti social.

I remain firm on my words, there is a fine line between risk takers and people who cannot pick their ass up, and people like you belong to their latter. But such is life, theres always people who play victim and never do anything about it. All we "bankers" would do is kek about how these people do not even have the balls to even try to step forward and make most of their pathetic lives.

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>>130596901
>Why would I work if I can live off welfare?

Hey, it looks like OP found the Achilles heal in communism that that faggot Marx couldnt figure out.

>>130606139
>stop breaking windows
>window repairers instantly unemployed

>>130602661
i hope you od and die you pathetic leech

>>130606566
are you thinking out aloud?

This is basically an argument against welfare in a thinly veiled disguise isn't it?

Even communists would require you to work your ass off for your pay.

>>130596901

>commie flag

Checks out family.

>pol not memeing ubi in real life

Disappointing

>>130606612
>>130606167
>dat spite
why are workers so angry? Obviously there's some sort of envy or jealousy, change jobs if you're not happy, or better still, take the unemployment pill, not my fault you locked yourself in to a credit card and/or mortgage.

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Because comrade, we the people have assessed you as able to work. If you remain unwilling perhaps we will make you unable to work ever again.

>>130596901
Cool. Enjoy seeing your ego being destroyed as others around you shine brightly compared to your unaccomplished self. Also, enjoy being the butt of jokes, too.

>>130597539

>The Antithesis of the Ubermensch

That already has a name, "Nietzsche's Last Man."

>>130603916
>To a Capitalist:
You meant "To an idiot"
It's your problem if you aren't getting nothing from them spending their money, kek.

>>130598526
Worst Angie fake I've ever seen

>>130606354
Taking risks is very easy when you sitting in golden chair and have 10 Shekelbergs giving you advice, while on other hand taking risks when you have no money is a whole another story. You think Beyonce or Justin Bieber take risks? They only invest where everybody invests and get advised, they didn't invent their perfumes, they know nothing, they just say what they want. Because of investors the economy is shit all over the world, since they create nothing, only sell and buy, somebody has to go into debt for this when idiots all invest into same company and eventually create too big companies to fail, this kills your precious competition. Capitalism talks about competition, but then they create companies who rule over countries and disable their competition. Truth is those retard billionaires couldn't compete with a garbage man and win if the game was fair.

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>>130606354
>risk is only taken by bankers. You can tell that to your parents that their risk of having you was anti social.
>le if your parents had aborted you meme
It probably was. So?
>I remain firm on my words, there is a fine line between risk takers and people who cannot pick their ass up
You are talking in circles like a typical propaganda victim. There is no reason to reward risk.
>make the most of their pathetic lives
They aren't and won't until they genocide you bourgs in the class war to end all class wars.
Fetishization is the act of putting anything above humanity. You are fetishizing risk and you should fire your shekelbergs and take a fucking risk for your own useless self.

>>130597611
I take pride in earning my dues. Get a skill so you're not a wage slave you filthy mongrel. Buy a plot of land and produce some food, or start a business and produce a product. Don't have to be a worker if you don't want to whilst contributing to society.

>>130596901
Living off of welfare is basically impossible even if you're right with your money. Most people only get 500-700 bucks a month in total including any other options like foodstamps and such. That doesn't cover rent even in most middle-of-nowhere places, and to get welfare that'll follow you to places like that is more difficult too.

>>130604763
so your ok with being a leech, a fucking burden to society? fuckers like you should be taken off the program.

>>130607158
unless you're a spic/nigger then you get way fucking more

>>130607158
500-700 is salary in Poland, so depends where you live.

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>>130602661
Don't let these filthy wagies deter you. Just looking at how mad they get when giving you delicious (you)'s should show you they are not happy people slaving away for mr. Noseburg. Isn't it past most of you wagie's bedtime anyways? 6 am comes early, actually make that 5 mr. Noseburg wants you to come in early and stay late now that he has you on salary. I for one will be sleeping in till 9 tomorrow when I will wake up, make a delicious breakfast and then hit the gym while you sit in your cubicles.

>>130606883
>you will be ostracized by society!
kek, surf bro here, every tradesman and worker I know envies my lifestyle (anon, if I didn't have a family I'd be doing the same thing mate)

Also who gives a fuck? If you're happy doing what you're doing it rubs off on others and people want to be around you.
Can tell by your comments you're young and still worried about what people think of you, don't bow down to society anon, you've got one life do what you makes you happy

>>130606974
As much as I hate to say it, Justin Bieber learnt piano, attends lessons and does shows and interviews.
Companies worked as a single sweat shop in the very begging

Even bankers had to get educated for it

Can you say that you can or ever will do the same? Thats the difference difference you and them.

>>130607435
>learnt piano
Wow, a genius. Piano is something 3 years olds play and some continue when they are 12, but not many.

Living off welfare should come with a clause where you're not allowed to reproduce.

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>>130604254
>Stop sucking oligarch dick for the first time in your life and realize that the only thing he "gave" was access to a small piece of his government gibs.
>The government creates wealth

>>130596901

Will you regards ever learn communism doesn't mean everyone get welfare. It mean the laborers own the mean of production

>>130607573
don't worry about the clause, kids are fucked, have all of them

>>130597236
ew

>>130607573
Sadly the truth is much different, more USA works, less white it is, while browns produce more when they are poorer.

>>130606404
>Achilles heal
It definitively is, my excellent worker.
Keep working harder than everyone and REMIND them they must work!

>>130607557
Point is, have you ever tried to stick with anything? Guess not, Mr welfare because it shows on how sad you are, showing no response and only retorting to things in the literalness of meanings

>>130596901
If you're not contributing, you're useless. Do you want to be a useless person?

Moreover, working makes everything progress : if everyone was living of welfare,do you think there'd be as much progress as what we got now?

>>130596901
Lets be honest, you dont work because you're a 16 year old somewhere in California

Its ok, we understand

>>130607930
Ok Pajet, why did you come to London if you are such genius of work and can do anything in India?

>>130607988
>helping build the funpark
>when you can get on all the rides for free
:)

>>130607988
Why should divide progress from money

>>130608191
We*

>>130607925
>Claims communism
>Makes fun of the workers

Really activates my almonds.

>>130608158
Well there's one kind of riding you won't be doing then and it involves vaginas

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>>130596901
>Whats wrong with that? Its just another form of capitalism but its me exploiting you instead of some store owner exploiting me as a worker. Why would I work if I can live perfectly fine like this - isn't it simply natural (using capitalist argument here) for more intelligent being to adapt to new circumstances.
Because capitalism comes hand in hand with the idea of free association: I choose who I do business with. The government hiding behind the threat of force taking money from people who work and giving it to leeches isn't a sale. It's theft.

>>130597236

Looks like Kim in drag

>>130608137
Oh I see, one of those EU Fags where the majority of the population resorts to welfare because their population is absolute shit and unproductive.

I'm with you on this one though, Pajeets are cancer and needs to die here in the UK. Its a shame Britland has become India 2.0

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You can't convince me to be a communist with your sexy pinup women wearing red. I've received too much National Socialist propaganda

>>130608458
Would be nice if we could deport every British from Europe, so we can see what you can do on your own, because you know i have to buy your shit in English and i never asked for it. Yes, we are much smarter than you, we literally have less debt and live in your world.

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Later lads, local arborist (good friend, surf with him) just called and is dropping off a load of wood, for free.
>tfw workers dropping off free shit to make my life better cause Im a good guy

The amount of salt displayed by workers in this thread isn't a very convincing argument to become one. cheer up cunts.

Have a nice day :^)

pic is similar to what I have to deal with on a daily basis, wish they'd get jobs, more waves for me

>>130608658
I mean that's like saying a barnacle is "smarter" than the whale its riding on kek

>>130597762
not forced, but if you don't work no one gives you money and you die from starvation

>>130596901
And right there you prove the point why socialism does not work. When it makes no sense to work, people don't and they take the hand out. Then the system collapses under its own weight.
I am against socialism, but when it takes root, there is nothing wrong with stealing as much as possible from the state and contributing as little as possible in regards to doing your part to kill the socialist system.
And this is why socialism does not work. Removes all incentives for human progress and personal progress.

>>130608788
We are only 2 million and surrounded by invading countries, give me a break. Your queen literally works with Rothschild, maybe ask for little more next time you obedient sheep.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N_M_Rothschild_%26_Sons
>Chairman Sir Evelyn Rothschild is currently the personal financial advisor of Queen Elizabeth II

If i had a Rothschild i would conquer the world in 10 days.

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>>130605011
>Because it leaves no room for imperfection and human beings are imperfect and irrational actors.
Agreed. This is why, imo, some sort of party, an intellectual elite to lead a society, as Lenin imagined, will always bee needed. Also if you take a look at some communist countries ,which weren't as paranoid as Stalin's USSR , as Yugoslavia - things were okay but its simply natural that communist society will always lose positioned next to a capitalist one because it isn't focused on productivity. It advances more slowly but is more stable as a tradeoff.

>he would recant his theory or at least make some MAJOR revisions.
Certainly so. Its just that Marx is to left what Adam Smith is to the right. Both of them saw their ideas being reinterpreted and reshaped over time with the likes of Hayek, Friedman and such. With marxism I recommend reading: Marx then Foucault or Adorno/ Walter Benjamin and then Žižek. These are kind of essentials.

>now do a bit of freelance writing on the net and Stand-up Comedy and although I get paid basically nothing to do it, I'm still making more than I ever did in screenwriting

This will probably be my case too with writing. I'm considering saving up to grow some almonds and pistachio's on a small plot of land that I own. It might not be successful but at least I'll be investing time in something that I really like (eating).

Btw off to sleep now it almost morning here. Good night and I'll read your response in morning if thread is still up.

>>130608343
>free association
>I choose who I do business with
free association goes both ways faggot. Believe it or not capitalism is not an egalitarian system

>The government hiding behind the threat of force taking money from people who work and giving it to leeches isn't a sale. It's theft.
said the wage slave.
Im pretty sure that welfare is there to prevent a revolution anon

>>130596901
This is what happens when /leftypol/ thinks too hard.

>>130608658
Sure, smarter w/e, not you though, but the people who worked to make your country that way. They have my respect.

And you would deport the British from Europe because ??? They don't blow you up you know (mabe just shank you but thats it). And unlike welfarers, they actually contribute to your economy

>>130609139
I have an idea mr. smart investor, how about we put you in the middle of Mauritania, we give you double the time you normally need to unleash your genius, lets say 2 months and if you haven't become rich by then we kill you, how about it? Ok..ok...to be safe, 4 months, you can do it by then, right?

>>130606875
They're protecting the enviroment unlike the southen swines

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>>130609139
>picture related you land to make it rich with your smartness

>>130609104
>Believe it or not capitalism is not an egalitarian system
I never said that it was, but if a customer wants goods or services or a business owner wants to make a sale then they have to do business with each other. Of course this assumes that both parties to the transaction are rational.

>Im pretty sure that welfare is there to prevent a revolution anon
So welfare exists in order to bribe violent people into submission of the law? I want my money back because much like the leeches it supports it's not working.

>>130609397
So much complaining about opportunities but do you even know why you are inside the EU in the first place.

Grow a pair , you don't even have the balls to walk out of your room

>>130608962
>>130606404
Its a flaw within democratic centrism, not in communism.

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To make more money than welfare offers obviously.

However if jobs pay the same you should go on welfare, get an education, and eventually make way more than welfare.

Pauper life is shit

>>130609829
Oh yes, those opportunities where i have to learn American education, have to accept refugees, can't avoid American television, have to buy in German supermarkets(or order abroad to pay double), have to use American computer, have to pay tax for American military, have to fight Muslims and have to work for American companies. I am such a free man.

>>130598228
Imagine the left actually caring about anyone but themselves.

>>130609746
>transaction are rational
I agree its rational. What is irrational is letting people starve because they chose the wrong profession

>So welfare exists in order to bribe violent people into submission of the law?
No, it exists because capitalism is an inefficient economic system that requires unemployment to work. If you wont feed the people, don't be surprised when the people turn on you

>>130610680
And have to abide by American/EU laws.

>>130610680
Now now, don't be contradictory to why you would want to be a welfare cuck, isn't it what you really want? A country of incompetence so as to rely on other countries to be "debt free" and get buttfucked because you have no leverage whatsoever

>>130610788
>What is irrational is letting people starve because they chose the wrong profession
Almost as irrational as choosing a profession that ends with starving to death.

>>130611614
>Almost as irrational as choosing a profession that ends with starving to death
that's almost as irrational as choosing a profession that you don't have a passion for

>>130609977
>Pauper life is shit

Depends on how you handle it. We are all going to die. Civilization is going to end. I say fuck it and just enjoy the few short years you got on this planet.

>>130596901
because if everyone drops out society decays till welfare can no longer be afforded and you die

>>130609104
When capitalism in its growth imperative drives non-capitalistic means of fulfilling human needs out of existence, that right no longer extends to not doing business at all.

shame and the fact that you will be poor as fuck.
In Quebec if arent disable you barely get anything and everybody will laugh at you and think that you are a piece of thrash.

>>130596901
Actually I come here to vent after work and during my off hours because I am in a career. Libshits like you want to strip away my 8-10 years of experience and get me to be a good goy because I'm 23.

Fuck you and your neet bux. Ageisim is a thing more influential than any fucking race baiting bullshit.

I'm training for the day of the rope. What are you doing anon? Will your ankles swing gently by my ears? Or will you be holding the rope?

>>130612811
If you are disabled, however, you get enough to do more than just sit in a room and bore yourself to death. I consider this positive.
>>130612818
>Libshits like you want to strip away my 8-10 years of experience
>libshits
>leftists
If you're 23, then learn the fucking difference. It could save your life, working man.

>>130596901
>WHY THE FUCK WOULD I WORK IF I CAN LIVE OF WELFARE?

You wouldn't. That's why welfare and communism don't work.

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>>130596901
I live on disability pension. Great pay.

Goyim exist only to serve Jews as slaves. Goyim were only born to serve us. Without that they have no place in the world. Only to serve the people of Israel. Why are gentiles needed? They are only here to work. They will work, they will plow. They will reap. We will sit like effendi and eat. That is why gentiles were created.

>>130612711
wat?

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>>130596901
You will never appreciate a thing you own or respect yourself.

I would feel sorry for you, but the truth is... I will never think about you again.

>>130596901
That's why welfare shouldn't exist.
You work or you die.

>>130612951
Liberals are simply enablers of libshits. Both belong in the oven.

>>130611932
>It's not worth working unless you love your job!
You couldn't have sounded more like a millennial focus group if you tried. Nobody likes working. It wouldn't be called "work" if it was all fun and games. Even if an endless supply of "fun jobs" existed and everyone had free reign to choose only the jobs that were emotionally fulfilling then no one would work shitty jobs that rely on manual labor or modern conveniences like trash collection and the service industry. If the workplace is where you hope to find happiness in life you're doing it wrong. Doubly so if you lack the leverage of being a high-skilled laborer.

Work. Get paid. Go home and have a life.

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Thanks for volunteering for removal via the free helicopter rides for communist scum program coming to a country near you. You consented the moment you started advocating Marxist degeneracy.

>>130613687
>work in profession you hate
>do this until retirement
>die before retirement
such is the american way

>>130613911
You don't have to love your job. You just have to tolerate it enough to do it. When you're not on the clock you get to do whatever the fuck you want. Happiness doesn't come to you by virtue of existing. You have to take it for yourself.

>>130613911
Why is it in either of the two extremes? Something you have a passion for? Something you hate?

>>130613335
Leftists are not liberals, babby, and we're going to take your le right-weeng branded ass with us if you try.

>>130614299
Do you know who fought for those rights? Along with unemployment benefits and welfare?
>workers unions
you know that commie scum that ate away at the Rockefeller fortune.

>>130614341
he was using logical fallacies, so I hit him back with them

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>>130596901
Because you can't live on welfare. It's not enough money unless you're a nigger woman with 3 kids

>>130614960
What makes you think I'm against worker's unions? Unions that don't devolve into predatory practices are a boon for employees leveraging against employers and are at their core a contract between the two parties guaranteeing good faith labor for agreed upon compensation.

I don't see what any of this has to do with "loving your job" though.

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>>130597236
That's one ugly motherfucking tranny.

>>130596901
>I'm not even kidding. Why would I work if I can live of welfare?
so you don't get sent to the gulag

>>130614960
>you know that commie scum that ate away at the Rockefeller fortune

So you're saying that this is the way to go to destroy the Rothschild's, Soros' and Koch's fortune. Let's all get on this now!

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>>130596901
Sorry, can you translate? I don't speak communism.

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>>130596901
1. Bordom
2. The Need to Feel Useful
3. Physical and Mental Exercise are needed anyway
4. The harder you work the more enjoyable your Leisure time is.
5. Its a good way to prove your worth and receive praise from ones social group

>>130615282
>Unions that don't devolve into predatory practices
but the companies are always clean as a whistle, and people just deserve to starve? That is what this whole argument was about.

>>130615813
that was the first big capitalist that came to mind

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>>130597650

If every single america stopped working and demanded welfare... we could destroy the whole system.

You want to be able to start over then communism always becomes a purge.

You just got to make sure to purge the right side.

>>130596901
Sure if you want a nigger tier life

>>130616155
>1. Bordom

We have the internet to relieve the bordom.

>2. The Need to Feel Useful

For what?

>3. Physical and Mental Exercise are needed anyway

Fingers get exercise all day and play puzzle games.

>4. The harder you work the more enjoyable your Leisure time is.

Tell that to the guy who spends six months on a yatch enjoying his inheritance.

>5. Its a good way to prove your worth and receive praise from ones social group

The system doesn't work that way. In order to for it to function, so the ones at the top can enjoy their yearly free time, they need the rest of us to believe we can get ahead too by working hard for them.

No thanks.

>>130616687
This is a good idea actually. fuck it how do you apply?

>>130616919
1. The internet wasn't created from welfarers sleeping their life away
2. Making things like the internet
3. Puzzle games were not made from receiving welfare checks
4. Tell that to the person who worked their life to give it to their offspring, inheritance isnt made from receiving welfare checks
5. In order for anything to function, you need to be anything but receiving welfare checks

>>130615282
also the loving your job is the most important part
you only have one life anon
dont waste it with stuff you hate

>>130618054
>4. Tell that to the person who worked their life to give it to their offspring, inheritance isnt made from receiving welfare checks


Whenever I see that argument I always come back to Tesla. Worked his brain and his ass off for the good of everyone only to get fucked in the end dying a pauper and having his shit stolen.

Thanks but no thanks.

>>130596901
Why would you work?
So you can make something more of yourself?
Not be a parasite?
Grow as a person?
Have some kinda value to your life?
Are you fucking retarded?

>>130619053

Bottom line is if one is not born with a silver spoon in their mouths, fuck all.

>>130596901
Once you grow up, you'll realize you fucked up.

>>130619339
that doesnt mean you shouldnt find something you like doing and working on doing that

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>>130596901
>still participating in the materialist dichotomy
Neck yourself my man

>>130619486

What if being on welfare is it?

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>>130596901
so true

sexy commie cum slut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMGZtkMS3sQ

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>>130596901
Also social parasitism was a crime in the USSR Lenin would have sent you to the gulags. You can't identify yourself as proletarian any more since youre leeching off of their labor you are no better than bourgeoisie you claim to hate. There's nothing the working man hates more than a parasite.

>>130619053
And we will never swim if only we knew that water can drown people. Nor will we want anything to do with electricity if we knew that it can stop our heart

>>130597236
>commie supporting traditional gender roles
Enjoy sharing your tranny manatee

>>130596901
I used to think like that until I realised the system would not work if everybody thinks like that.

Then I realized the people who do work and maintain shitheads like you must really love their countryman to do it.

National Socialism > Capitalism > Communism

>>130620283

Welfare: Mink coats, 250,000 homes, expensive clothing apparel and cars, free health care, free food etc... Doesn't sound like a bad life now does it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aHcFb9kKa4

>>130596901
Some people require more money to live the life they are accustomed to, others enjoy work, yet more work simply because they don't know what else to do with their time.

The best people work because they believe the job they are doing will improve/preserve civilisation.

People can't control how they feel so I can't criticise NEETS for not being motivated but you can't deny a person working hard to achieve a goal they believe in is morally superior to the NEET.

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I would be over 400lbs. and possibly in legal trouble if I didn't have to work.

It's not going to kill you OP to get a terminal job at Walmart. Come on overnights and work with me!!!

>>130596901
I dont know.

Why do I work when I could live off of welfare?

It's something chinks and niggers will never understand I think.

>>130596901
And this fine example of a Communist is why it always fails. "We'll pretend to work while they pretend to pay us".

>>130620743
I really hope you're just fucking around because that is pathetic.

>>130599831
>he believes in the disadvantaged meme

>>130596901
the irony of your flag is that you'd be one of the first ones to be executed on a revolution
ok b8, 5/10

>>130596901
Implying that a truly communist state wouldn't force you to work while getting welfare. The Capitalist system can find work for even the most disabled individual. I'm sure a Communist nation should be able to find work for you doing something to serve the glory of the Socialism and the welfare of the people.

>>130596901
>I'm not even kidding. Why would I work if I can live of welfare?

Because you can live better if you both work and have welfare income. People will still gladly work for extras. Lots of rich fags who don't need the money still work.

Blacks and drug addicts are about the only ones content to sit on their ass all day.

Welfare keeps lazy stupid people at home and out of our hair when we're trying to get shit done. Thank GOD for welfare. Wish we had UBI to keep the rest of the dipshits off the road.

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>>130620935
I wish i was joking. Lol no this has been this way for the past 11 years.

>>130620743
Don't make your problems my problems, burgerfat.

>>130600039
>Why not? Tell me one argument for a broken, non-profitable unit to be subsidized by the system, bringing everyone else down, instead of thrown away and replaced?

Motherfucker, if anyone told you how the world actually works, you'd have a heart attack.

>>130596901
Becuase welfare is boring as fuck, it doesnt give you amazing vacations or nice cars, and thats what I want

>>130621308

You just need to go to a place that has better welfare

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>>130596901
You shouldn't. Working and paying taxes is supporting ZOG, which is racial treason. If you can get welfare, take as much as possible and never pay taxes.

>>130596901
you can't live off commie welfare you faggot
there's no food - go to venezeula and live on welfare
if you're in a western country, you're not living off welfare, YOU'RE LEECHING OFF CAPITALISM
nigger, and why live if you're not living? if money didn't exist, what you're actually saying, using money as a proxy argument for this commie slide thread is:
why would i do anything with my life, if i don't have to
then you faggot will say "but no i have hobbies, painting and sculpture and opera"
you evil fucking low expectation low standards lifeless faggot

>>130621252
Try me, fuckwit.

>>130596901
>but its me exploiting you
literal a/b tested manipulation here
> it's capitalism but exploitation is reversed
see how they INFER, which is like incepting that capitalism IS exploitation - this is a literal fucking commie - really believes that work is exploitation
get fuck you fat lazy piece of shit commie hippie
saged

>>130621200
It was just a suggestion, and I really need a nigga to chat with over the course of the night

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>>130621432
>YOU'RE LEECHING OFF CAPITALISM

>>130596901

Men would work,because that's what men do. There's more reward than just cash.

White men, anyway. And no one else would fucking work at all. Once again, white men would be carrying the world.

>>130620935
what do you do? other than be a flaming faggot in real life?

Working is for normal fags, welfare is the true redpill

>>130596901

>And instead of doing anything about muh white genocide, muh welfare leeches like protesting or rebelling you post memes on internet + you probably bend your ass to politically correct standards at your workplace because you are to mediocre and scared of losing a job and you come here to vent off while not doing anything in your life.

You're somewhat correct, except for the part where you try to hold yourself above someone actually holding down a job and contributing to the system. I have the freedom to still do what welfare niggers don't like a credit score, not getting arrested and looked down upon by anyone responsible.

The actual problem is not capitalism. Capitalism would excise socialism from itself if not for our flawed system of democracy. We wouldn't see PC culture dominating the workplace etc if useless socialists and democrats were not allowed to vote in illegal immigrants and force the most useless job in history "diversity CEOs" with political pressure.

The problem with our democracy stems from the fact that people with no contribution to the system get to have a say in it.

Illegal aliens and people without property, family, or military service should not be allowed to govern a system that controls property family and the military. Starship troopers touched on the correct solution: service guarantees citizenship.

Here we have a system where all kinds of shiftless useless people such as those advocating even more free gibs through communism get to have a say in government.

Remove those leeches from the governing system and we have capitalism/imperialism unfettered by the dregs of humanity. They can still be in the country, just without a vote so they can live off the charity of others which will also have the benefit of reminding them who they are and so they can regain the humility that they are worthless and stop with BLM and tranny and other degenerate bullshit or making posts on the internet about the glories of communism.

>>130620743
I've seen you in other threads. Very sad, anon!

You can live off welfare, fine. But if everyone does that there won't be any for your shitty kids who have been raised to not be able to fend for themselves. There's only so much to go around, once the gravy train leaves the station it's gone for good. You are only hurting your own future and the future for white children.

>>130620707

Don't get what abusing loopholes has got to do with receiving welfare checks, are you receiving all these benefits from not doing anything?

Because last I checked, it's just called not declaring your income from cash jobs

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Everyone is forced to work in communism dumb fuck.

>>130622408

Nah, I'm not on welfare. I'm just doing thought experiments (or devils advocate) on the benefits of being on welfare. Just pisses me off working my ass off and seeing others with their goodies cheating the system.

>>130622386
(me)

>>130622644

though I almost did sell myself of doing it just by doing that heh

>>130600912

>If I want to, for example be a carpenter I cant be competitive on market on my own because there are bigger producers, big companies instead of me - a petty and lone carpenter.

You are fucking retarded and it certainly shows you've never held down an actual job or owned property.

>What are logistics.

>What is availability.

>What is marketing.

>What is a client base.

>What is a market.

You should actually learn how capitalism works before you criticize it with an imaginary rationale.

>>130596901
Welfare leach.

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>>130622434
>Everyone is forced to work in communism dumb fuck.

Wrong, in communism production is automatized to the maximum, working hours reduced as much as possible or just made by robots.

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>>130623072

Cuckitalists love to be cucked.

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>>130623118
Capitalism = Judaism
Communism = Judaism

>>130623225

You cannot even stop capitalism.

Even in your example where your communist has submitted to the all powerful (in his local context) prison a black capitalist market appears for cigs or other commissary favors. Guards are bribed to look the other way for visits etc.

Capitalism at core is two people voluntarily exchange goods and services because they have the freedom to do so. Both parties benefit.

The system is only corrupted by a tyrant that can force the two parties to give their goods and services to a third useless non contributor.

Without all your buzzwords and silly red imagery tyranny has no allure.

If magical robots produced something like rice in the infinite, rice would become worthless and a market would evolve where people traded non-rice luxuries to become more comfy than the others and attract more women. Communism won't excise human nature it's just a fertile ground in which tyranny and abuse will grow.

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>>130596901
I would fuck the absolute living shit out of that little whore. DAMN I just want to choke her until I fucking blow a creampie in her.

Wouldn't even care if I got her pregnant and had a little Ruskie

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>>130599995
all you commies have the same pictures to post does sharia blue provide you with them

>>130596901
Damn I actually fucking agree with you. Who gets to decide that being miserable 8 hours a day somehow makes you better because you gamed the system?

It's badass and not becoming a slave to capitalism is the fucking way to go. Good job OP

>>130598526

whoa there, lolbertarians claim there is NO society

>>130600163

They can be bleached, but they are not that bad. My wife has brown nipples.

>>130623750
Not all markets are capitalist. Socialism, the way-station to communism in Marxist thought, maintains the market as a means of distribution but discounts its often-manipulated muh signals.
Is barter capitalist?
Seriously, you kochsuckers need to grow up and stop spouting your religious crap all over the place as if it meant anything. Learn some economic history or go back to t_d.

>>130624349
Young republifats will be first against the wall. We won't shoot to kill.

>>130624435
Pictures of wife? She sounds hot

>>130607021
WTF I didnt know they had a commie flag, now I'm glad they were blown the fuck up.

>>130609004
The one on the left looks like a chick I know, only uglier.

>>130596901
>policy that redistributes wealth
I don't think any hardcore capitalist supports welfare. And it isn't "natural" for me to give money to some random shithead I don't know on threat of jail time. The capitalist argument is that it isn't natural for someone to hold the groups interests above their own, especially when the groups interests work contrary to their own. If you are trying to spin being a welfare leech as being some Social Darwinist Ubermensch, I don't think you understand the argument presented.
>>130599831
>At least in the US, the poor are actually able to join the Middle Class by getting a GED, not having kids before being married, and get a full time job. Unless some catastrophic event occurs, doing so will almost always get you out of poverty, and most of the time you will reach the Middle Class
>The elderly are capable of having a private pension, in cases of the sick there is insurance. I do agree that education should be free, but not because "its a right!!1!" but because it benefits society when it is doled out to those that will make the best use of it. If someone is chronically sick, the first place they should go is to their family for money, but the state should help cover the costs. People that are mentally ill should be detained by the state and taken care of if deemed ill by a jury.
>I think the author was trying to reiterate that taxes always come from the people, alot of people have a complete disconnect between tax revenue and people losing money to taxes. Hence the "free" college meme.
>Actually alot of the more progressive economists argue this. They believe that because the poor spends almost all of their income, the aggregate demand will increase if money is redistributed to them.
>You would be surprised the number of people content living like this, but usually conditions are somewhat better than what you described. Additionally, people can still have sources of income and receive welfare.

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>>130624563
lel thinks we aren't all alt right and armed to the teeth here