>muh skilled trades why are conservadumbs trying to dissuade

because muh redpilled co-workers who laugh along with me when I joke about the jews in the government

>>130586534
>Plumbing/welding
>Dead end careers
Gr8b8m8

>>130586534
become an apprentice you cunt

Union work is pretty sweet. Outside of that you're competing with beaners for 10 bux an hour.

plumr checking in

>>130586534
90% of college degrees are memes. I just graduated with a bachelors in IS which according to my Uni's stats was the 3rd most high paying degree and one of the most in demand degrees offered. I've applied to 150 places in the past few months and have done 5 in person interviews and still haven't landed anything and the positions I interview for start at 35-40k for people without experience as opposed to the 55k my uni said was the average I got jewed.

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>>130586534
FUCK ME WE GOT A LIVE ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>130586534
>janitor
>don't have to think hard about your job so can concentrate on audiobooks and other things
>dont overwork yourself
>people leave you alone
>wont be replaced by machines within 20 years

Sounds pretty based to me

>>130586534
You know, many moons ago I would have called OP a faggot and said trades are a viable skill, but honestly these days it's hit or miss. I work retail at a home improvement store and the amount of people that come in that do all the shit themselves is really mind blowing, because nowadays all the stuff that you used to call a plumber or electrician for you can just go on to YouTube, watch a video, and do it yourself. The only time you really need tradesmen now is if you're doing actual construction and building a new building or something, otherwise the days of the handyman are coming to an end.

>>130587379
And the elderly or rich. Journeyman Plumber reporting in.

>>130586534
I'm 30, aside from two friends who happened to be incredible natural salesmen and who both work for various tech companies as their business directors of sales all of the guys I know who went to trades school over 4 year are doing much better than the guys who went to 4 year.

Electrician friends are making absolute kilings, dont even get me started on plumber friend who runs his own business.

Skilled trade isn't janitor you fucking idiot.

>>130587379
basic residential construction shit is not what you want, you want heavy industry shit or commercial electric.
>>130587203
Dude I make 50k at a trade job I had zero previous experience or qualification for, got trained on the job.

>>130586534
>dead end career paths

and you listed

>plumbing
>welding

Somebody is always going to need something fixed, built, or replaced. Those trades are marketable skills and not many millennials are even wanting to touch those fields none the less even work. What's next being a pilot, electrician or a Carpenter is bad too?

You're seriously a moronic idiot. Stick to your Low IQ tech support job in a sweaty, dirty office somewhere.

>>130586534
haha
looks as if people have finally woken up to the university dead end lots of debt scam
Looks as if the scammers are losing shekels

A plumber makes almost as much as a brain surgeon. You just have to be willing to stick your hands in shit.

Plumber>some gay degree.

>>130587203
>>130587706
Also I should have mentioned I've only been working there 2 years.

>>130586534
>college
4 years 42 thousand dollars later. 4 years you weren't working or making connections. 4 years you decided to waste your parents money and time buying natural light standing on top of your fraternity brother's roof screaming at the top of your lungs at 4am in the morning. Just to wake up and puke 4 times before class starts.

Collegefags need to grow up and come to grips with reality that the real world doesn't exist within a college bubble.

Depends on the degree

Trades are far more useful than libtard arts or ----studies. If you're not going for a useful degree like engineering or sciences etc and are going for s useless libtard degree you're literally wasting your money and are heading for a job at McDonald's if you're lucky

>1 post by this ID
Stop replying to these shit bait threads you fucking faggots.

>>130586534
>Another one of these college threads.

The people making these threads are just trying to gain sympathy for their poor decision for going and studying art for the last 4 years.

>>130587355
Fuck, I was making 25/hr as a school janitor that's way better than most of you fucks flipping burgers and serving coffee while 100k in the hole

>>130588100
also depends on what you like. I studied engineering and just enjoy what I do more than I'd enjoy being a plumber, shekels be damned

>>130588408
>school janitor
>25/hr

I'll only believe you if the school was in New York City and it was 15 hours a week.

>>130588060
All my buddies at work and friends in trades are red pilled as fuck. Only the ones that went to college ended up fucked up, leftist, SJW, etc. You might be on to something.

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>>130586534

Hey Cunt,

Someone will always have to do small jobs and stuff you can't do on industrial scales.

some asshole is always going to have to come and fix someones plumbing, and it pays.

unless we invent a humanoid android and in that case who gives a fuck, party.

>Inb4 200 replies

>>130588584
yep, they paid to enter a liberal, atheistic, indoctrination day care.

Everyone always makes fun of plumbers but the world literally would not function like it does at all without them for the past 100+ years.

>>130587203

your probably a huge autist and the interviewers are picking up on that instantly. if you actually networked in college like most people you'd have a job already. betting $100 that you didn't intern anywhere either. dumbass autist.

anyways OP everyone rails on college because 99% of the posters on here are extremely unintelligent and likely didn't take the SAT/ACT or scored very low and couldn't make it into college and are NEETs anyway. pure jealousy is why they make fun of college.

>>130588771
The only ones that went to college and ended up being force fed the red pill were teachers.

Industrial HVAC tech reporting in. I'm a member of the local 100 Plumbing and Pipe fitters union working for a very reputable engineering firm. I make +100K with full benefits and I get a pension. Suck it, college NEETs.

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>>130586534
>Be plumber
>Make $85,000 moosebucks a year with a year of schooling and an apprenticeship
>Dead-end job

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>>130586534
>dead end career paths like plumbing and welding.
You mean high paying trades where most people end up being debt free and running their own business by the time they're 35? Seriously, try hiring a welder with a pressure ticket for any less than $80/hr.

I mean what we really need is more baristas and fry cooks holding a $45,000 piece of paper for a field of study that is either completely saturated and you work for peanuts or outright doesn't even exist anymore. You would think that after spending so many years in academia they would at least clue in that, outside of most STEM majors, what they're essentially doing is burning money to become self righteous assholes that are no further ahead in the job market than high school dropouts.

>>130586534
Who will work on your cars and shit or how will robots be Mađe if you have no one who knows how machines work and how to fix them

>Been doing CNC machining for 5 years
>I make $27/hour + benefits
>Literally no education after high school
It's bretty gud desu senpai

>>130586534
OP's right. trade jobs have a career plateau. society's upper echelon jobs will always be closed to you. forever

>>130586534
I don't think it's about dissuading people from going to college but about making sure people are aware there are other options. The attitude in the US is that if you don't go to college you are destined to be a failure for ever and ever and that simply isn't true. This leads to an enormous amount of people going to universities who really shouldn't be for financial or intellectual reasons. I have a friend who was so drunk and stupid during his college years he honestly struggles to remember what his degree was even in and continues to work food service. People like that exist all over because of how toxic and wrong the culture about higher education is

>>130587007
>implying beaners with criminal records are not all over in trades

>>130589213
I started as a riveter in my shop 2 years ago, started at $14, up to $20/hr now, still not technically a machinist, just an operator. Going to school to be an electrician while working 44 hours a week and paying for school completely out of pocket. Feelsdeadendman

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>>130586534

>dead end career paths like plumbing and welding.

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>>130588408
Work as a high school custodian right now making 21$ an hour, unionized and excellent benefits. Feels good.

>>130589845
that's true. stupid people aren't worth wasting higher education on. the problem is when it's generalized to ALL people shouldn't go to college. obviously it depends on fit

>>130589728
The cure for that is starting your own business. My grandfather charges 100/h as an electrician and is definitely on the cheaper end for our area. I've worked with a welder who charged 200/h and always had work.
Sure, an in demand STEM degree is usually better provided your grades are good and you have internships, but not everyone want to/can/should do that.

>>130587203
Information Systems? Man I was majoring that but I realized holy shit I'm literally learning nothing. Sure the two programming classes were challenging but Telecommunication Networks was like a half asses run through Network+ and Security+. Taking that class will teach you basically nothing and the degree is like 8 or 9 classes just like that. Why don't I just study for the certs directly? For $1300 it's a joke that you only learn how to memorize the required concepts that are purely abstract to you. I had no confidence that I would be able to get a job in IT after that and nobody told me about CompTIA back then. I just think for the proves colleges charge they should be teaching you marketable skills and handing you certifications because there's a lot of money on the line and everybody is there to get a job. .

>>130586534
>get a college degree to become a barista at starbucks or get replaced by a pajeet
>learn a trade and have real life, in demand skills

>>130586534
Yes GOYM go to college, here take this loan ;) don't look at all the union jobs paying mid twenties an hr with a pension. What's a pension? Shhhh your generation will speak of no such thing

>>130586534
>tfw seeing adds for plumbers paying $47 per hour in my city
>tfw the average college degree gets you $12 per hour in an office/call center
lol

This will only continue as less and less people go into trades. Meanwhile the market is over saturated by college degrees and they barely mean anything anymore, just means you have a lot of debt.

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>>130586534
At my work, the electricians make more than the low to mid-level engineers. Plus they get loads of overtime while the engineers never get any.

>>130586534
Take a loan to study anthropology in uni then, just don't expect to find a job afterwards.

>>130586534
Haha yeah why learn a marketable trade when you can get a degree in anthropology and flip burgers for $8/hr.

>>130590625
Electricians make bank. I just opened up my local craigslist for shits and the first link I saw was hiring electricians with only 2 years of experience for 25-35/h

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>>130586534
Too many bait threads lately.
Lefty cucks so bored now the only thing they have left is bait.

>>130586534

This is coming from liberal pedophile faggots with blue hairs who major in arts history and minimum wage with their daddies money. Here's a tip liberal faggot. Next time you need your oil changed, car fixed, house repaired or everything else you can't do just be thankful someone else learned how to.

>>130586534
>college degrees are dead ends now
if everyone has one no one has one

>>130587203
>the positions I interview for start at 35-40k for people without experience as opposed to the 55k my uni said was the average I got jewed.
The is decent pay for someone without experience dumbfuck, you think just because you have a degree they should give you 60k job? This is what dumbasses on both sides dont understand, is that you need both a college degree and experience to get anywhere. So take those 30-40k jobs, and in a few years companies would love you. You would have shown that you are educated and can work.
You remind me of the faggot ass friends I went to college to get a criminal justice degree with (yes pretty useless but hold on) Basically they all had dreams of going FBI, Border Patrol/Customs or any of the cool Federal agencies. Each time police departments or correctional departments came around looking for recruit they will look down at them and refuse to apply when I will tell them to.
>Shit I aint trying to be a cop, I want to go FBI bro
Because God forbid college graduates get a blue collar job as a police officer instead of a prestigious job as a federal agent. I had 3 years in the Army infantry and still applied and become a cop as soon as I graduated from college. Because I knew I needed the experience in LE to get to those federal agencies to even look at me. Shit I could of just used my Military experience and college degree to get there, but I was humble enough to start from the bottom. I am a Border Patrol agent now and my dumbfuck friends still unemployed because they refuse to work anything that is not their dream job that pays 70k a year or barely starting to work in jails or small town police departments when if they had done that while in college they would of had 2-3 years of experience as cops or prison guards to go along with that college degree. They would of been on their way to those federal jobs they always wanted. Take those 30-40k jobs dumb faggot. Degree + Experience = Those jobs college promised you

>>130590347
by upper echelon i don't mean salary/hr, although it's often correlated. i mean power, influence. how many fortune 500 ceo's, presidents, movers and shakers do you know without a college degree?

>>130590641
depends what uni

>>130591334
Bill Gates for one

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>>130586534
Because a good tradesman can earn up to £40,000 to £60,000 a year, were as some 18 kid fresh out of college with £27,000 debt will be lucky to get a job at Starbucks with there degree in 'social studies'

>>130588100
again, depends what uni. prestige matters more than substance

>>130589003
How'd you get a foot in that
I'll finish up my HVAC course in March and want to know what steps I should be taking
All my instructors tell me industrial is the place to be, that or a hospital.

>>130591334
>>130591489
Mark Zuckerberg and Steve Jobs

>>130591489
he actually got into harvard. i have no problems with drop outs. that's different than not even trying, and thinking you're 'too good' for college

>>130591752
again, dropouts

see >>130591820

To be fair the best thing you can do for yourself when you are young is do a trade for a career and take a 4 year course at the same time.

Reason I say this you want to be in postion of owning/managing your own business and employees with out wrench spinning. Plus 45 you don't wanna be doing construction work especially stuff that's hard on your body like commercial diving or lineman work.

>>130586534
Why do libtards think tens of thousands of dollars worth of debt is worth it for a feminist dance therapy degree

>>130591820
>>130591876
You said without a degree, they don't have a degree.

Move those goalposts.

>concrete finisher
>28/hr
>42/hr after (plentiful) overtime
>growing company in one of the fastest booming cities
>mfw I will own my own house by the time I'm 25, debt-free, and have the choice of starting a new business or actually going to uni
>this is without any post-secondary education

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>>130586534
>non-geo flag
>dead end career path
>plumbing and welding
0/10 nigger, try harder

>>130586534
>Implying janitor is a bad job
Cute

College is for people who are too stupid to make money using skills they taught themselves growing up. What the fuck have you idiots been doing your entire childhood? I spent my time learning to program and create 3d models, and now I run a game studio and make more money than I'll ever need, while basically doing fuck all. Feelsgoodman

>>130586534
Try find a good job with a Women Literacy degree

Investment Advisor
Trader

HS degree with certifications. Takes about 3-4 weeks training to do either. If you're really slow 3-4 months.

60k starting most places

>>130586534
because there isn't enough cushy educated jobs for everyone.
if there are few plumbers, people will have to pay them more.
those who are in the position to push agendas want less people "in their side" and more people in "the other side"

>>130586534
Local 68
NJ
45/hr

>>130592010
i couldn't care less if dumb fucks stake their futures on the outliers rather than the norm

>>130586534
OP is a poo in loo? Any bets?

>>130593770
Fine with me my dude, give me a call when you make it as a Fortune 500 CEO, alright?

>>130593770
The norm is a middle class lifestyle. What's so bad about that? They consistently earn above the median wage in the US but somehow they're poor, dumb idiots? Not everyone can make 250k in NYC or 300k in silicon valley.

>>130586534
space station 13 is a great game that lets you play as a janitor

>>130586711
Not gonna lie mate, but where I live, you may as well start working at Wal-Mart if you have a certification in MIG.
>Get all my shit together to work at a steel fabrication plant.
>Suddenly they lay off.
>Hired back on.
>Whoops sold to Canada.
>Laid off again.
>Hired back, whoops not diverse enough.
>Tyrone catches shit on fire.
>Laid off again.
>Whoops shut down.
>Whoops sold to another Canadian.
>Whoops now your boss is China man.
>Whoops laid off again.
Id rather go fork lift shit at Walmart then deal with it anymore.
>Hey son, you can wield, how about you put on this scuba tank and dive to the bottom of this damn and fix this shit.
No thanks fucker.

On the other hand.
>Work as a janitor.
>Wow its fucking nothing.
>Get paid to stand around cleaning.
>Women complain about this shit.
Having worked in another steel plant, lifting 100 pound plates every few seconds, ill gladly take pushing a mop for 50 cents less.

>>130586534
Because shit like Women Studies is gonna get you on welfare and I don't want my taxes to go to freelancing libshits

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>>130586534
>College degree
> Remotely useful
> be me, got 2 bachelor degrees one in mathematics, one on economics.
> look for anyone hiring, same fucking excuse every time. "Lack of references, Lack of Experience."
> working 12$ and hour job as a line cook busting my ass, working next to mexicans that can't even speak english getting the same pay.
> be over 50k in debt

I SURE GOT FUCKING JEWED.

>>130586534
they'll never be able to take skills away from you without severely damaging you. After all, I'm Floridian and picked the smart path and decided to learn how to become an air conditioning repairman. That job is complex, branches out into other machines should the market get too flooded, and will always have a market as long as there are floridians.

>>130586534
Because minorities fight eachother but the poor are not a minority

>>130589213
Industrial Electrician here, will make 100k this year by the EOFY. Only graduated high school.

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I went to trade school, then the oil industry crashed and all the jobs here dried up

It was a meme now I regret not going to university

>>130586711
you're a bad troll

Started plumbing career at 19, and owned my own house by 22. I doubt I could've done that if I went to college.

>>130586534
I don't think there's an issue with "dead end" when you can make a living out of it.

>>130586534
I can't speak for other countries, but here plumbers make a decent amount of money.

>>130586534
You watch, in the next few decades this income will double. Even though right now I could go work Boston rate and make $50/hr. Old people are dying and young people don't work. Supply is running out, and demand is getting high.

https://www.bls.gov/ooh/construction-and-extraction/electricians.htm

>>130586534
>My refrigerator stops working. Word of mouth tells me to call "Refrigerator Jack".
>I call him
>Tell him the problem (warm at top, frozen at bottom)
> Jack says I can fix it. Be right there.
>Shows up in an hour. Fixes the busted part.
>"That will be $175 anon"
>Happily pay him.
>Ask how he does refrige work
>Tells me he went bust in the 2009 real estate collapse
>Tells me he went to a junior college, got a certificate in refrigeration repair
>Bought van, started advertising
>Does 7 repairs a day at average $200/repair.
>I do the math
>mfw I am getting my certificate in refrigeration!

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>>130586534
Just work hard!

I'm a Paramedic, promoted to Captain within 6 years. Currently on more or less a paid vacation at a class they sent me to. Just finished a beer, will have a jog in a bit.

I get 4 days off a week and a state retirement. I will eventually finish a BS but it's just a backup plan. I run a small business on the side for passive income.

Beats anything I would've gone to college for, and I didn't burn up 4 years of my life paying a bunch of jew proxies.

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These threads are dumb simply because every state is different. One state might offer you a good job in your field, while another will offer nothing. It all depends where you live, what school you graduate from, and what degree(s) you have. I wish it wasn't this difficult to make a living, but it is. That's why I'm a neet. :)

This thread has triggered my anxiety.
Make me feel better pol.
Valedictorian in high school
Full ride plus 8k a year cash to go to undergrad
Thought I wanted to do medical school until I didn't
Tons of work/mgmt/and leadership exp from 2 jobs I had during college and over the summer.
Worked a shit maintenance job fit a year
Do career counseling.
Decide to go to MBA school
Get full scholarship w/grad assistant ship
I'm fine on money, I have 15k saved up plus 6k in an IRa I opened at 21 plus a 1 year old car that I paid cash for, but I'm terrified I won't make connecteions or get a good job coming out of MBA school.

>>130595065
Where are you at? In my area there are not enough tradesmen. We have to hire from all over the country. For one job the newspaper said we were 100 carpenters short and couldn't make deadlines.

I made $400 today painting in 6 hrs of work at a 1200 acre ranch in West Central Idahoo . Just did a west coast road trip 1800 miles for 2 weeks . I could never sit inside at a desk and sit in traffic to and from work in giant cities 9-5 that's a rip-off if ya ask me . Antifa 4 lyfe

Plumbers, welders, and mechanics actually make and maintain things. Paper pushers are literally worthless

Thankfully paper pushers are being put out of jobs by systems/programs.

>>130596253
Alberta, Canada

I would move to the US in an instant but you need either a university degree or tons of experience, another reason why I regret not going to university

>>130586534
Here's why:
http://www.caseyresearch.com/articles/doug-casey-on-why-college-is-a-waste-of-money

https://mises.org/blog/four-reasons-why-college-degrees-are-becoming-useless

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKcWu0tsiZM

http://www.returnofkings.com/90815/how-the-cultural-marxists-of-the-frankfurt-school-subverted-education

http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/invest-in-the-highest-value-asset-personal-skills/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8utmmWoBSBY

go learn propaganda from a cultural marxist sjw or get real skills, seems fucking obvious

>>130594536
Mah nigga. I have done janitorial off and on part time since I was 22 and tried it when I got laid off from my fire dept job. Shit is so easy as long as you don't waste time and I love night cleaning because I just jam out to music or Coast to Coast.

Plus if everything else just absolutely went to hell for you, you can ALWAYS find custodial work.

>>130586534
I make 150k in my pocket before taxes and another 60k in my retirement accounts. People retire from my local multi millionaires

>>130595065

I went a similar route, similar result. Electrrical tradeschool and as soon as I got out suddenly the economy crashed and everyone wanted redseals with ancillery degrees in brain surgery. Had a supervisor position later on in a small store which wasnt that bad but then the boss walked away from the company and sold everything. Que a year solid of doing nothing butsitting on my ass wishing I could kill myselfwithout traumatizing myfamily.

>>130586534
I know places that will hire you and teach you CNC. CNC operators, depending on skill, make like 50-60k starting. No college needed

I have a Masters and finally cleared 100k at about 10 years in the work force. Honestly would of done it differently and not went to at least my master's had I of known.

>>130595796

that's a z3 reeeeeee

>>130596497

if you have a way that eliminates the need for your theoretical "paper pushers" then by all mean go profit off of it

otherwise stop being so naive about what people do for a living

>>130586534

how dumb of a faggot are you? we own 6 rental properties 26 Units and I make 130K a year as an electrician. My brother is a plumber, we never hire anyone for our properties

IF you are too stupid to make money, you are too stupid. College wont fix that.

>>130597291
do you have to travel or did you just start your own business? I see jobs for 50 dollars an hour non-union positions but you have to go to the other side of the country and I need to take care of my family here.

This is all well and good, but do tradies even take the average skinnyfat weak-ass basement dwelling neet?

All i ever see working those jobs are big burly men.

>>130596779
Yeah I went for instrumentation

95% of job ads want a red seal with 5 years experience or 3rd/4th year apprentices, I assume they all go to people with connections regardless. I couldn't even find a co-op position during summer when I was in school

I want to go back to school for something else but I have no idea what to take because it seems like job prospects are terrible for everything

>>130597531
what area are you in

>>130597648
>it seems like job prospects are terrible for everything
Correct

>>130597633
They took me

>>130597660
Northern Indiana.

>>130586534
Kind of a moot point when AI is poised to replace every single job in 10-15 years.

>Get a good education goy
>oh you didnt stuff your resume with liberal horseshit and get into honors classes in high school, this college is not interested in you

>>130597935
Oh. I'm in new england and the company I work for is a pretty big company. They don't do any work that way, but they're all up and down the east coast. Non union.

>>130586534
>the left openly hates the working class now
>thinks a coalition of non-working shiskins is going to hold up long-term
wew laddy

>>130596697
MAH NIGGA!
>Night cleaning.
>Fucking work at my own pace.
>Listen to my own music.
>The machine shop has a dvd player to play safety videos.
>Its lunch time, time to watch a movie I bought.

>>130586534
Oy very goyim. Go to college and get a degree in gender studies. We'll give you all the loans you need.

>>130586534
Hey dumbass..... We want illegals to fuk off back to their shithole countries, Refugees also. These jobs have to be filled you liberal shitstain of a human.

>>130587379
I think auto repair techs are always needed.

>>130598079
It seems like union used to be the way to go but now since nobody wants to do trades anymore the non-union jobs are just as good. Except pension.

>>130598079
wait you make 130K from your salary plus your rentals correct? I can't imagine 130k from your salary alone

Made 50k last year at 21 driving a truck

>>130597648

I've been studying electrical systems a fair bit in a my spare time. Im hoping fabricating an electrical motor from scratch and doing a number of arduino control system projects will be enough to convince them I understand electricity. Moneyofcourse is the biggest issue in all of this.

That 6 figure industrial salary tho .

>>130587379
So true... you can also rent any piece of equipment by the hour (cranes, drills, excavators, etc.)

>>130598414
True. Boston is still very union, but the union isn't really that great, atleast here. We get full benefits, perdiem, and a lot of bonuses. They'll even fly you down south if you want. UNLIMITED OVERTIME.

those comfy office jobs are already starting to be outsourced to india and china m8 its much harder to outsource a plumber or tradesman

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>Trade job.
>Literally maintenance work.

Where is muhhh society progress by whites at?

>>130596019

Paramedic?

You mean van driving lifeguad?

HAHAHA Fucking kill yourself, dude. You are a literal nigger.

Sure, don't do the trades. I'm cleaning up installing shit for dumb millennials on Thumbtack. They don't even know what a crescent wrench is, I saw their blank fucking stares on College Jeopardy when they showed a picture of a wrench. Hillarious!! Thanks for the $$$$ you beta fags. Oh, and you should see the shame on their faces when I install something that they should be able to do. Their wives lose all respect for them.

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>>130599319
playing vidya and jerking off.

literally no incentives.

>>130587007
>Outside of that you're competing with beaners for 10 bux an hour.
i'm already doing that except with pajeets.

t. web dev

>>130586534
>be me
>go to Uni, enjoy it
>don't go back for second term because no desire for debt
>get paid to take a trade
>work w/ trade making $85,000 a year (on avg) but only work 9 months a year
>spend other 3 months focusing on Uni correspondence courses
>get degree
>educated w/ no debt and a great steady career(trade) and freelance side projects(Uni)
>own car, houses, etc by time peers get Master Degree
>

>>130586534
Gonna take a baby step out on the limb here and say that I bet you have gotten your ass kicked quite a few times and was bullied in school, right?
Fuck that, I'm a principal software architect 300+k and I REALLY miss my tradesmen days. I've actually considered changing my career back to it while I still have some youth.
Oh yeah btw, I have no college degree, yet every single one of my stupid subordinates have 4-8 year degrees.
Fuck your stupid college degree, I respect a man who gets his hands dirty much more than the PC culture office casual feminized professional sorry excuse for a man.

>>130586534
How many positions are there for "college educated" work, Anon?

"Lets ALL be neurosurgeons!"

The idea people have is that "college education" is a skills training program for "white collar work". You pick your degree, say, engineering, and hey presto you are an engineer.

This is not how it has ever worked. This is literally survivorship bias. "This guy gets paid 200k a year and HE has a college degree!!". Plenty of taxi drivers with masters degrees.

The quality of college education in the US is woeful. People getting arts degrees in the 1960's were getting a far higher quality of education.

Education should never be about specialisation, unless there is a specialised skill that is required.

As far as your so called "dead end careers" - until we no longer need plumbing, we will need plumbers. The required plumber to population ratio is somewhat more favourable than the neurosurgeon to population ratio.

>>130586534
Because plumbing and welding pay relatively well. I plan to take at least one semester welding once I've finished saving up for college.

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>>130586534
Because Drumpf LOVES the poorly educated

>>130600401

You need as much training to do a trade beyond entry level as you do to be a grad student

>>130596227
Bumping my sub thread

>>130598691
Lol, you aren't going to be able to operate a crane without any training. It requires a lot of skill.

>>130596697
I'd imagine being a nighttime janitor at a large high school or university would be really cozy.

Getting to wander around all the cool large buildings and rooms with no one there to disturb you.

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>>130600401
And your liberal masters love it when you get good and (((educated))). Just look at you...
DRUMPFPHPHPHPHDFs
Fucking retarded liberals. Go run up a useless education debt for something there is no market for, we give no fuck what stupid shit you do, but I promise we are NOT going to pay it for you. OK, Lefty Leaf?

>>130599882
That's pretty cool, how'd you get to that point? What trade did you start in?

I work as a carpenter and my company has this program where they let you work under a superintendent to learn how the process goes, then you get promoted to a small job such as a small warehouse. For some reason not many of my coworkers take advantage of this, they just stay as carpenters. We've got some old timers who are still swinging a hammer at 60 years old.

I was considering doing this, but I plan to go back to school to get a construction management degree to become an estimator.

>>130587007
>beaners
>welding
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>130599882
What psychological disorder causes people to post lies about themselves on the internet?

>>130589728
>society's upper echelon
those are the exact people /pol/ is trying to gas. you have to go back you redditor poof

>>130600634
i went through kelley a decade ago. your posting indicates that have at least some issues with autism. if this is the case you really should go into something else instead because at the end of the day almost everything in business is sales. interpersonal shit. look at the don

accounting is the exception but imo thats closer to a trade anyways. i also agree with the other posters here that a trade is better than 80 percent of the shit that a university would offer

but if you are serious about an mba you can do yourself a favor by getting an account management position while youre in school so you dont end up being that guy what has all the degrees with no real experience. also an internship is nice but the posters who think thats real experience are undergraduates who dont really know what the fuck theyre talking about

>>130601755

I dont know

why dont you ask someone with a liberal arts degree who studied psycology/ sociology

>>130590475
Yep I didn't realize until my senior year that it was a meme and didn't teach enough real programming or skills that would set you up for an IT job and by then it was too late. Everything I researched about it before picking it as my major seemed legit until I was in the courses. Now all I feel qualified to do is QA/ systems analysis and they all want 2-5 years experience.
>>130591179
Dude I would gladly take one of those 30-40k jobs I just haven't landed one yet despite a few interviews because I don't seem to have the skills, I think I do alright in the interviews but just get BTFO by people who have more experience. I'm just saying my uni made it sound like everyone in that major got 50k salary jobs fresh out of school with a 90% job placement. I've networked with friends from classes, career fairs, linkedin, indeed, carer services at uni, at least I have 0 debt.
>>130588795
Really not an autist you nigger I just don't have enough experience like all these positions expect and no I didn't get an internship despite applying for 100 or so of them.

>>130586534
because universities are left-wing indoctrination factories.

>>130588795
>>130588795
>networking meme
It doesn't matter how much of a Chad you think you are or if you think you make buddy-buddy with people who work in your field. All it comes the fuck down to is whether you're skilled in what you want to do and can prove it. Bottom line. I went to a shit state uni, did zero internships because I was busy working a shit full time job to pay for living expenses, but studied my ass off and did independent research projects using the resources provided to me by my shit college. Time came where I graduated and had to interview with the biggest tech company in the country and all I could say was I know your company does "X" and here's how I think I am a valuable asset to improve "X". $70k starting. No one gives a fuck what your name is. That's the only advice I can give.

High school is the new college

middle school is the new high school

if you dont know what you are doign freshman year of high school, and are not getting internships/ apprenticeships by then you are fucked in this day and age

>BUG I WANT MUH KIDS TO LIVE THEIR LIVES IN SUMMER, THEY ARE TOO YOUNG TO BE WORKING, THEY NEED TO DEVELOPE

parents need to back off on this shit

>>130601859
>>130601945
55k accounting fag here


Laughing at engineer cucks

>>130588795
He's also stupid enough to major in a field that gets outsourced to scrawny Pajeets who charge by the pound. Why hire somebody with a 4 year track record of bad decisions, when you can just contract out your bad decision making requirements and let somebody else handle the HR headache.

>>130601594
Nearly every Welder I've seen has been Mexican, and this is in a 70% white state.

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>>130586534
Not everyone needs intellectual stimulation at work, senpai. Some people legitamately take pride in maintaining cars/fixing households up. Don't be so fucking elitist and assume everyone wants a job that doubles as a creative outlet. I mean, I do, too - but I know fags who actually enjoy farming and shit and are happy.

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>>130586534

>>130601859
College is such a dinosaur institution...

Anything that can be known, already exists on the internet; you're just wasting your money. All employers want to see is a degree, but where it comes from doesn't really matter, unless it's from ivy league.

Experience is all that really matters in EVERY subject. It's a shame that apprenticeships have all but disappeared.

>>130589213
doubting to start CNC education, or plumbing or electrician. Have only a month to decide left, anyone who does this that has valuable information? Fuck the college meme

At what point do you count as upper echelons of society? Like is it a money line or what?

>>130602607
He makes what I make in a year, but only took me 4 years via college.


Whose the cuck now

>>130586534
Because even a fucking retarded lazy ass union electrician makes 150k before OT in a major city and work 7am-3pm.

>Making 65k/year after taxes
>23 years old, no college experience
>Works in factory, not difficult at all

Yeah, go to school kids!

>>130602689

Money line; yes. Each country has defined lines. Although, it would also depend on who you know and what power you wield.

>>130602535
All of the trades you just mention can involve intellectual stimulation. It doesn't matter what you do, the more intellectual focus you put into determines how successful you are. The stimulation comes from within. Someone who thinks farming doesn't involve critical thinking is a shit farmer.

>>130602689
well according to anon earlier it was Fortune 500 CEOs or presidents.

So if you aren't either of those I guess you are a rural or suburban retard.

Pretty hilarious how he puts himself in the same category as multi millionaires and billionaires because he has a 4 year degree lmao

>>130602845

Are you telling me that feminist dance theory will not be a successful career path?

It's going to be huge... Drumpf BTFO

>>130602413


Most of them here are white. And they are in high demand. Welders also make pretty good money in my State.

>>130602976
Rural suburban retard is a joke about how city people will never have souls and live in dead cold concrete tombs until they are used up. There is no "upper being" that dwells in the garbage storm that is the 99% (of tomb-dwellers)

>>130586534
I'm an electrician. Job is easy as fuck and I make way more than the average college grad.

>>130602976

I guess it's a kind of gamblers fallacy, or even a reverse buyers remorse... it's probably just plain old ignorance.

I consider college graduates as equivalent to high-school graduates anyway, though one has four more years.

Experience is all that anyone cares about.

>>130603134
Check out the virgin who can't even lift one bail of hay letalone comprehend stacking 3000 in one afternoon by himself.

Such a fucking snake. Grow a nutsack and join society you failure.

GED fag with $150k/yr blue collar job reporting

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>>130586534

MY DEGREE IN 18TH CENTURY BLACK GENDER STUDIES WILL TAKE ME FAR, MUCH MORE SO THAN YOUR USELESS SKILLS IN CARPENTRY OR MASONRY EVER WILL!!!!! AND BERNIE IS GONNA PAY FOR MY COLLEGE TOO!!!!!

>>130602845
If you don't think being a farmer requires intellect, creativity or is stimulating, you've never done farm work or know people who are. They have to be somewhat self-sufficient and know how to work the land the best. Most are smarter than the turds I see come out of college. They also have to be makeshift carpenters, electricians, mechanics, vets and plumbers when shit breaks or their animals get sick

>>130586534
>why are conservadumbs trying to dissuade people from getting a college degree to pursue miserable and dead end career paths like plumbing and welding.

Look at the numbers. Salaries for college grads are dropping like a rock, and the cost isn't worth it anymore for most people. Plumbing and welding are hardly dead-end jobs, and you don't have to spend $100k to get your foot in the door.

We need labor unions and apprenticeships again.

>>130602413
Hispanics dominated the trades a long time ago.

Whites went to college to get a 'better' office job... then got an unemployment cheque and debt instead because there is now a glut of qualified employees.

Blacks? Never work, as usual.

>>130586534
>trade jobs are dead end jobs

What?

I started out as an electrician's apprentice and worked my way up to running jobs, then managing projects, and then learned Excel and AutoCAD and started designing warehouses for my company. After a few years of that they sent me to school to learn how to program computers and other microprocessors and also had me start managing the IT side of warehouse installations and operations.

I now do project engineering and project management for a multinational company and travel all over the world for work. They fly me around first class, put me up in 5 star hotels, and provide local interpreters and rental cars because I can get jobs done on time and under budget.

But yea, go ahead and dismiss the skills one can learn in the trades and the career these skills can launch.

>>130603461
Check out the r-tard that doesn't know sarcasm.

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>>130586534

Your pic related is the average art history major.

So, you're kinda just blowing yourself out.

>>130603656
I'm legit telling my kids not to go to college unless they are becoming Doctors. College is a fucking meme now, bunch of worthless shit heads who think that having African dance study minors are better citizens than "lowly" tradesmen.

If my kids want to get into IT, gonna tell them to get certifications and cut their teeth in a help desk job. If they want to do trades gonna get them involved in the unions or a trades school.

College is a fucking joke, and I see that even as someone who has a Masters.

>>130588037
What kind of trade and how did you find the job?

Ummn asking for a friend

>>130603930
Yeah, but you never went to college, therefore you can't get a good job...

>>130586534
My cousin makes 20 dollars an hour welding. How much do you make with your gender studies degree?

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>>130604000
Those digits.

But srsly, you know autists don't sarcasm right?

>>130586534
>why are conservadumbs trying to dissuade people from getting a college degree to pursue miserable and dead end career paths like plumbing and welding.


how else does the wealth trickle down to them? conservacucks see it first hand when their masters call them from across the city for monkey work

>>130601859
I do t have autism. I'm introverted to be sure when I have free time, but I thrived in a fast paced, high expectation environment.
I'm good at talking to people when I need to, but I really enjoy logistics, that's why I'm looking towards consulting or supply chain management. I'm afraid to go into accounting because I would have to go back and get my cpa and maybe even an MF.

>>130604125
I'll just go back to mopping floors here in Mehico then!

>>130604098
Machinist

Started as just a gopher, my employer noticed I wasn't completely braindead and tested me on running the machines, I did well so they put me there.

>>130586534
>tfw doing a job that requires a STEM degree for entry level even though I never finished college

College is for retards, if you can land an interview and not be a pussy/faggot during your first week of work, you can do anything. 90% of job training is experience based, and college kids think they'll get a cushy pencil pushing gig without having to do any grunt work first.

>>130604085
It was once 'the' path to get a good job / career, but that was in the 80's. It was also true in the 90's, but everyone had or was getting a degree at that point. Now it's like a useless gesture for some kind of financial hope.

Literally worthless unless it's ivy league.

You want to know how to make money and not go to college, or even technical school?

START A BUSINESS

>>130604341
This. Yet soooo many kids are fucking unable to interview well or not creep the co workers.

>Just graduate from 1 year HVAC/R school
>Receive 4 job offers after graduation without applying
>Apply for apprenticeship with Refrigeration/Restaurant Equip service company
>Get it, start at $20 an hour with full benefits

>1 YEAR OF SCHOOL

>>130604151
Haha! Yes, Kek has smiled on me with trip snake eyes. Why?

Forgot about the autist part, thanks.

metal machining is redpilled because you can make guns. we need to get underground gun workshops going in europe and hoard ammo for RWDS and race war while its still possible in less cucked countries like finland

>>130604560
b-b-but muh student loan slavery!
y-you aren't supporting the 4 year college industry!

>>130586534
>plumbing and welding
you will earn more money + stress free money(not dealing with wannabe rat race idiots). you will be fit even if you dont take care of yourself. you will retire before the majority of said cunts and have no regrets about your working life.

young anons, if you dont plan to start your own business related do a higher education dont even bother, its a pit of retards over there. get your trade, work for someone til you become master at it, then start your own business.

>not taking the ultimate redpill and going to school for electrical/computer engineering and be guaranteed an upper midde class job for literally until the day you die

>>130604687
Doesn't matter how many guns you have if your brethren are still cucked.

>>130604550
It's not only the interview. We've had kids fresh out of college ace the interview and look great on paper, but when they find out they'll have to fill acid vials or clear out fridges for their first couple of months at the lab, they bitch and moan or refuse to do the work. The upper management has started to disregard recent college graduates because of this, we've gone through three of them in 5 months (everyone else has been working here for quite some time, 7 or 8 years on average).

>>130604856
>>guaranteed an upper midde class job for literally until the day you die

You must be new.

>>130605039
negatory

>>130601945
You applied to 100 internships and got none? You need to work on your cover letter game.

Also, LinkedIn won't be optimally helpful until you've got a few years actually working with people, but right now it should look like an amazing resume because people look at that shit before deciding to interview. Even if you don't have much experience, you need to make it impressive. It's tough but if you're smart you can do it based on your studies and concrete (if exaggerated) accomplishments.

Also I cannot stress enough how important it is to get to 500+ connections so you don't look like a loser with a specific <500 number listed. Just add everybody from your college and random alumni. Even if it's obvious you're afredh grad people will care. To help pad it and make connections join LinkedIn groups focused on your area of interest and meet people there. Post interesting content and articles and your contacts will see them.

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>>130586534
oh wow there be a plethora of skills traders in har!

IDK OP

why is your flag so un-american???

>>130605101
>>negatory

Then you must be naive.

So here's the depressing story I heard:

We went to a financial advisor and he tells us about a kid who's looking at colleges for Journalism. She gets accepted to Syracuse (supposidley one of the best) and tells him the tuition.
$65k a fucking year
That's for a degree in JOURNALISM
He talks her out of it because you'll make MAYBE $35-40k starting while owing $260k in school debt.

THIS is why college is dumb as shit and needs to be reigned back.
THIS is why trades are a better deal.

>>130605344
I'm really not though, the only people who nay-say engineering degrees are those who don't have them

>>130604687
You can make simple guns but rifling is a pretty significant hangup, you can't really do it without specialized machinery that is fairly difficult to find.

At least not to a modern standard anyway.

>>130587355
Janitor here, can confirm. And if you're competent and not a spic people shower praise on you. Pay is higher than you'd think too.

>>130588541
naw, you make pretty good money as a janitor if you have a black seal

>>130591179
I have a BS in biology but all my experience is in data mapping and GIS.

Is there a place for me in something like border patrol?

I want to help catch mexicans on the border

>>130605387
Journalism? Start a globdamned blog...
Fuck around on Twitter / Youtube / Facebook.

My glob, how dumb must you be to pay for what's already free!!!

Most print journalism is already being written by no-name, dumb-shit bloggers anyway.

>>130588408

How do i become a janitor? I hate working with people, and i prefer doing my own things while thinking to myself.

>>130586534
Im a welder for a bridge building company, I made $120,000 last year, 4 years out of high school and 2 years out of company paid trade school. Tell me again why I need to go to college

>>130605387
She'd be lucky to crack 24K while using her degree. Obviously depends on the city, but she will be well below the median salary

>>130586534
Plumbers save more lives than doctors. Clean water and sanitation is the second most important thing in civilization next to agriculture.

>>130605443
Are you familiar with deep neural networking?

Real Turing AI is just a few years away. Every programming job will disappear with the advent of real AI, and anyone will be capable of equivalent engineering feats as one with a PHD -- probably on their phone.

Adapt or die.

I'd rather do a trade job than have a worthless masters degree in liberal arts.

I got jewed into going to college. I'm continuing and getting a master's degree too. If I could go back I'd actually just do some sort of trade. I live in rural USA and there's only 2 plumbers in my county and they both make a shit load of money. After my master's degree i'll be lucky to make 70k a year

>>130604620
>13 posts
>Kekistan

Must be fun never having been in a sexual relationship.

>>130586534
why are low IQ libs so persuaded the world needs 500 million of marketing graduated jerking off on PowerPoint and Excel
how abysmally dumb can you be

>tfw going back to school to go into accounting

>>130604324
Do you live in bumfuck nowhere? There's plenty of jobs like that in my city, but you need a certification that takes at least two years and a few thousand dollars to get them.

>>130606058
I said computer and electrical engineering, not computer science. Computer engineers design and build computer components from superheating the silicon all the way to building the bytecode. Something that will never been replaced.

>>130605387
my buddy's fiance and him live in KC. He has an engineering degree and she has a journalism degree. He's making 55k right out of college and she's unemployed. Journalism is dead

>>130591682
I do Commercial/Residential Hvac, was working in a 9 story building today. Had to troubleshoot and repair 4 Bosch Water Source Heat Pumps, brutal work. Lugging tools, Acetylene, Refrigerant, Nitrogen, Scales, Etc. But I love it, mans work.

You need to find a good company that wil continue training you, and also set you up for a Refrigeration Apprenticship. Dont go looking for the highest dollar right out of school, look for training/benefits/apprenticship.

If you dont mind working hard and getting dirty, and dont forget using your brain and learning new things every day...I would say you made a good career choice and you should be just fine, good luck.

>>130606202
You'd be surprised what happens with your life after you have children :)

LIFE PRO-TIP: It gets worse before it gets better (try not to kill yourself).

also
>1-post-by-this-ID
Can we admit Shareblue is abundantly participating in hatebaits with fake replies to keep people busy grasping at straws?

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>>130588408
>was school janny
>tfw was bullied by the chads at age 27
never again.glad I'm driving a truck now

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>Figure out which bachelor's degrees have the best ROI and have paid internships
>Secure paid internships and scholarships via good grades
>Graduate
>Secure job in industry (probably a place you interned at)
>Begin paying off any remaining students debt (if you did it right, you actually shouldn't have any after graduation)
>Take a master's degree in the evenings and weekends, and have your employer pay for it
>Graduate
>Move on to a higher paying job
>Repeat previous step 3-5x

It's really this easy

>>130606300
just a typical east coast suburban area.

like I said I didn't go in as a machinist, I was trained on the job because they needed a guy and thought I could do it.

>>130586534

Trades are good for low to average IQ decent white people. It's shit work but it's honest and it lets good people make a middle class living instead of being stuck in poverty. Not everybody has the IQ to be a doctor or engineer.

>>130606386
hey anon what age would you assess as the turning point between worse and better?
>tfw exhausted and no life

>>130588004

>sticking your hands in shit is the only thing that makes you non gay

k fag
i'll be makin 300k not doing that lmao

>>130606321
>>Computer engineers design and build computer components from superheating the silicon all the way to building the bytecode.

Are you retarded? Do you actually think people use microscopic instruments to build CPUs?

Holy mother of Kek; AI will reinvent every existing technology -- leaps beyond where we humans left off.

You're in for a rude awakening.

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>>130606513

Super late to this thread, but let's say I know the president of Eagle Claw. He jumped the Berlin Wall and started at that company. His son hates fishing, but went to college anyway. Dropped out the same year. He went to school for HVAC. He had his own house by 22, several motorcycles and trucks by 25...

>>130606690
I didn't say *people* did the wafering. Who do you think builds the machines that do the wafering?

>>130594295
>What's so bad about that?
nothing?

> they're poor, dumb idiots?
if they think they're going to be like gates, zuckerberg, and jobs, then statistically yes

>Not everyone can make 250k in NYC or 300k in silicon valley.
agreed?

>>130594182
>give me a call when you make it as a Fortune 500 CEO

never said i wanted to be one?

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>muh trades

LOL enjoy your 90% fat, obese male industry doing miserable toiling work

Even if a plumber or electrician makes slightly more than I do, I at least have a fulfilling career working at a company that comprised of intelligent and happy people (mostly women).

>>130586534

>cable guy fiber technician
>$32 per hour
>usually one install per day, max 2
>$50 per hour OT comes and goes
>free internet/cable with all the channels
>on call 3 weeks on 1 week off
I got a 2 year degree but it wasn't required, just played the game once I was in, made connections with the right people, and landed the job

Also, praise Jesus. Without God, none of this would be possible

>>130599580
>web developer

yeah, i can string together HTML as good as the next 11 year old

"developer"

what bullshit

>>130586534

Electrician here, it beats retail or low-level office work. Pay is not too bad but I do agree that the goal should be STEM, finance, oil/energy industry, automation etc. Another great thing about the trades is that they are automation proof. The point is that not everyone is going to go to college and this is a good option if that is the case. Get a VALUABLE degree or go into a trade, that is generally the choice one should make. There are exceptions.

>>130606593
That depends.

You have two life-paths: one with children (family), and one with not.

Family: You further the human race and enjoy an experience and connection that you never knew could exist. Conversely, you are eternally poor, unless you've got money.

Without family: Plenty of money and free time, but without any connection to the future, and a gnawing aloneness.

Better for men: late twenties.
-- Women clamoring to get married to have children, and lower their standards to realistic levels.
-- A man's value goes up as they age.
Worse for women: late twenties.
-- Same reason as stated before (see childless suicides).
-- a woman's value goes down as they age.

>>130594536

>certified in mig

If you pick the most deadshit aspect of fabrication what can you really expect?

Get a trade! Not a welding course bs cert. I've done my fab apprenticeship and picked up multiple tickets and became a coded welder/boilermaker. The opportunities are everywhere and it leads into multiple lines of work like inspection/supervision/fitting. You eill mever go hungry if you actually stick out an apprenticeship and keep learning/gaining tickets.

>>130607163
>string together HTML
>thinks that's all web devs do

you dumb fuck

>>130607103
women who won't sleep with you and sue you sexual harassment if you talk to them

instead, with a trade, I do real work and have a waifu, as real women, not office sluts, want $$$ and stability

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>>130606058
>Real Turing AI is just a few years away.
It's really, really not. This basic idea has been spun around since the 90s when people thought programmers would be replaced by barely-educated laymen using beefed-up development environments to simply stick code together like Legos. In just a few years! Always just a few years. That obviously didn't occur.

Neural networks and machine learning are incredibly interesting and useful, but they're not about to replace programmers. Not for decades. The technology always sounds incredibly promising, like a silver bullet, from uneducated people from the outside, but I worked as a CS researcher while in university. I worked specifically with machine learning. It's nowhere near the capabilities you think it has. Most of it is going to be supplementary for a long time. Paralegals have more to fear from it than anyone else.

Honestly, you just sound like a butthurt dropout. You never obtained a useful degree or training, have no real education, and have no employment prospects so you project your impotent anger on every other field. After all, you'll be vindicated when those programmers lose their jobs to their own creations.

Don't bank on it.

>>130586534
With a red seal can do these jobs anywhere and be your own boss. If you can make a good living where land is cheap, build a castle up as you go and be royalty.

>>130606821
Someone soon to lose a job by a machine designed and built by a machine...

>>130586534
>miserable and dead end career paths like plumbing and welding

These are some of the highest paying low-skill jobs that exist.

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>>130588795

>go to college
>spend $100K
>graduate
>4 of 10 grads underemployed (work a position that doesn't require a degree).

Go fuck yourself, Skyler.

>>130607135
We just did an install an a duct main wasnt located by AT&T, they located on but another was 4 ft off and not located. We tore out 75 ft of fiber and AT&T replaced over 500 ft. They estimated the impact to the local business was over $250,000

>>130607135
3 weeks on call, holy shit!

>>130586534
two plumbers came to house yesterday. worked for one hour.

>billed $741.24

>>130588795
>>130607562

https://www.newyorkfed.org/medialibrary/media/research/current_issues/ci20-1.pdf

>>130607245
Thanks mate but that's not my question. I've got two kids already, I was mostly wondering at what stage it gets easier in terms of micro-management, as for now it sure takes its toll.

>>130607639
DAMN! You got fucked.

1hr labor x 2, plus material.

What did they do?

>>130607103
>90% fat, obese male industry doing miserable toiling work
>electrician

You are obviously completely ignorant about what the job is like. We aren't fucking laborers, FFS. We work in pairs and have fun shooting the shit while we run pipe or pull wire through that pipe.I would also guesstimate that our obesity rate is better than the general public and if one IS fat, that is their fault. Don't act like a physical job makes one fat, idiot. You probably see construction workers busting their ass outside in the sun, that is a rare occurrence for an electrician. It is mainly male and that doesn't bother me.

>>130607103
Your a super beta lib shit, get 10yrs plumbing experience making really good money. When your knowledgable enough, say fuck installs. Get a nice van stock it up, pass out your business card to family an freinds. Let your buisness move through word of mouth, now you can do service plumbing only for good people. Going rates are roughlly $96hr Mon-Fri till 730am-5pm, $150hr Sat-Sun 9am-3pm. Any after hrs calls are also $150hr, you can become a millionare pretty easliy. Depends how much you want to work.

Also I will be cleaning out your wifes pipes while you are getting shit from your gay happily married bear of a boss.

Fuck your pussy ass job fag fuck.

>>130607754
Might have done a water heater, $600 for the tank and labor

>>130607802
>>130607815
>taking the obvious bait
guys...

>>130607754
new toilet + something about the pipe coming from the floor, that where most the cost came from.

>>130606350
Thanks man
I feel like I made the right call too. Dropped out of microbiology after seeing how over saturated the market is and the fact that I am prior military and I missed being able to shoot the shit with guys since everything where I was at was extremely PC.
I'll definitely remember your advice to look for training and apprenticeship over pay, thanks for that.
I definitely don't mind working hard, I used to help my dad with his construction company and something about finishing a day of hard work fulfills some man feeling in you and makes you feel good.

>>130605200
The only thing impressive about my resume is staying at the same wagecuck job for 6 years, a few projects I worked on from classes, and belonging to the coding club.I've talked to 3-4 different recruiters and career services people about tips for the resume and have done everything they said and it's still just unimpressive. I think I'm gonna brush up on my SQL and try to build something to show employers and find a job with data or QA analysis or throw in the towel and just take a damn sales job. That or maybe just start clicking the african american button on applications when they ask for race.

>>130607736
Micro-management? If you're doing that, you're already wrong.

Humans need room to make mistakes: failure is the best experience.

Maybe it's me, but the older I get, the less I give a fuck about anything, and it's great. I'd say that it started around early thirties. A lot of other people I know have shared similar experiences.

>>130588100

>Trades are far more useful than libtard arts
>Trades are far more useful than libtard arts
>Trades are far more useful than libtard arts

If you aren't going for STEM, then trades are better.

>>130607954
New toilet is about 200 (or more for nice / name brand).

Plumbers make about $100 an hour, because plumbing companies have to carry a lot of insurance (leaks are costly).

Do you live in a major city or expensive area?

>>130597633
The job will make you burly, or maybe just tough and wiry.

If you have a clue in math, and can do some basic calculations, I hear being a pipe fitter is one of the best trades.

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>yfw you had to drop out of highschool to help sick mom

i tried going to the GED class here but is was the most aids i ever seen in fact they even said we wont let you even try to take the test till the end of the couse to *make money*

any anon know of a way to get into a welding or a trade job without a ged

>i have mess around with welding and found it fun and enjoyed it

>>130608332
downtown atlanta

>>130608446
Ehh.. I want to say rape because GA, but if you live downtown, that might be a reasonable price.

>>130607954
lol you got ripped off

>>130586534
Because your lazy degree will net you less money than plumbers and welders. You won't be able to afford a mortgage much less afford to hire actual men to do the things you betas never figured out.

If my accounting degree gets me nowhere, I'll become either some sort of repairman or a plumber

>>130608717
Accounting is very profitable, but you have to make a name for yourself.

>>130594536
>>Hey son, you can wield, how about you put on this scuba tank and dive to the bottom of this damn and fix this shit.
>No thanks fucker.

Underwater welding isn't something you can do with a simple MIG, are you retarded? This situation has literally never happened. You need to be trained for that specific kind of environment, and you get paid mad dosh to do it. I've got a buddy in the Navy who learned how do that, now he makes over $50k a year.

>>130586534
Best job you can get is janitor/maint at a university, because the benefits are free tuition. Can put yourself P/T thru any degree and get paid.

>>130608717
Just sell heroin, or rob drug dealers. You only need to make 2 or 3 grabs a year to have a decent life

>>130607964
Your going to have great chances being prior military, this industry is very rough. When its hot, your in the sun working on AC. When its cold, your in the snow responding to no heat calls.

You might like Commercial/Retail, look into contacting Lennox, Daikin. They have Commercial Factory Service Techs, or look into Hvac Mechanical contactors. Emcor is a good Mechanical contractor to look into, also Commercial appliances is good shit to. EcoLab would be good to look into for Commercial Appliances.

its a safe bet that puts food on the table and pays ok
risk/reward factor is low
some people know the snowflake "you can be/do anything" is total bullshit
doesnt cost an arm and a leg compared to expensive ass tuitions for colleges to turn your kid into a fag

You dipshits have to intern or start working on the ground floor of a company to get a job when you graduate. Work in the mailroom, be a secretary, answer phone calls part-time while in school and talk to people doing what you hope to be doing when you graduate.

Don't give me bullshit like "Well I wanted to focus on my studies and enjoy my college experience so I didn't Work", yeah, and that's why the guy who did work while you partied or slept in until 2pm every day now has a job and You're crying about experience and no jerbs.

I was in the navy for five years, got out and started school immediately to be a nurse. Applied as a nurse tech at the hospital I wanted to work for when I graduated and wiped ass and moved fat people for 2 1/2 years, hated it. Before I even started my last semester they offered me a job for about 20k higher than most other new grads because I had shitloads of experience and worked my ass off at an entry level position.

>>130609029
Where there's risk, there's reward.

CRIME PAYS BIG

Just look at any government; crime is very profitable, especially if you control the law (politics).

>>130608845
That's most jobs, really.
Honestly the only reliable degree areas are health, technology, business, and perhaps law.

>>130608871
Not to mention you are usually diving deep, having a team with you (because they kill the power to the electrode when you arent welding) be fit as a mother fucker because the currents will drag your ass. Electrocution is a real issue if the stinger is powered and you get between it and the ground

>>130609029
ive thought about this, but not the heroin selling part.
i know some dealers i can easily knock over for 50k+

>>130609193
That's Mexico's government in a nutshell.

>>130607964
>>something about finishing a day of hard work fulfills some man feeling in you and makes you feel good.

It does, and it can't be bought.

>>130586534
>miserable and dead end career paths like plumbing and welding.

I'm an underwater welder in MA, I work at the docks brah
-I make 108 an hour
My brother is a plumber
He makes 72 an hour
>Dead end lol
Its hard work some days but i still like it
>not miserable

Nice bait bro, but some retards will believe this shit.

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>>130586534
> dead end paths
> welding
> plumbing

Careful, your retard is showing

>>130608871
>now he makes over $50k a year.
I must be missing something because you seem to think that is a lot for a job that ravages your body inside of 10 years.

>>130586534

Big Money Conservatives need servants. They've convinced the servant class they're the "Working Class" and the Working Class that's they're "Middle Class."

Keep voting Republican suckers.

>>130609544
Remember those 1% rallies in 2009, and then Obama still did nothing by 2017?

Yeah...

>>130609517
Depends where you live dude, USA's cost of living varies alot dude.
50k A year in the south and some parts of the midwest is alot
50K in NYC, Calif, And MA isn't

You can't just cherry pick shit like that or ignore context. Makes you look like a dumb dumb

>>130586534
>plumbing and welding.
Hahaha. I make bank. I am not "rich" by any standard. I do work whenever I want, and get paid how I want.

I started a project with a local contractor 3 weeks ago in the middle of the week. As of my 2rd paycheck I had grossed $8300. Granted, this is working loads of hours. I have a few more weeks of it, as they gave us a 4 day weekend to decompress for father's day. I will be back at it another month, and get another 4 day weekend.

Why do they push the labor meme? Because in skilled trades you enter an apprenticeship. You get paid decent to learn a skill. As your time goes on you will make more. Apprentices where I am make 50% just starting out, and it goes up to 75% their last year of being a kid.

I get double time/1.5 time and other perks, and am not salaried. I don't work for one contractor, I work for myself at all times.

I spent 4 years getting paid to be trained. I spend every moment since fine-tuning my skills and increasing my paycheck.

It is a very enjoyable career.

t: Plumber/steamfitter

>>130609717
How much does a plumber make in San Francisco?

>>130586534
The question is why jobs like that are considered dead end and miserable while paying shit. I at least enjoy working with my hands, seeing the outcome of what I did in front of me, and the gratification of hard work like that. I have no urge or want to do paperwork in a corner office to make 100K+ a year. I'd be content doing janitorial for an office, or school, or whatever, if it was remotely possible to raise a family on that wage.

But it's not.

>>130609883
Union around 70 an hour
Non-union maybe 40-45 an hour

Source: I know a few guys that use to work with me that moved out there.
Also you can look up, "Plumbers Union wage California"

>>130609910
I think it started as a liberal meme originating from public school teaching cucks, and carried forward through college.

"Those who can do. Those who can't, teach"

You don't need a college degree for them, therefore college loses money: incentive for colleges to perpetuate the lie.

>>130609883
How much does a Plumber I in San Francisco, CA make? The median annual Plumber I salary in San Francisco, CA is $54,518, as of May 30, 2017, with a range usually between $45,892-$64,750 not including bonus and benefit information and other factors that impact base pay. However, the salary for someone with the title Plumber I may vary depending on a number of factors including industry, company size, location, years of experience and level of education. Our team of Certified Compensation Professionals has analyzed survey data collected from thousands of HR departments at companies of all sizes and industries to present this range of annual salaries for people with the job title Plumber I in San Francisco, CA.

> google you lazy fuck

>>130610087
Wow... I really thought it would be a lot more than that. I live in a medium metro city, in a low income state, and non-union plumbers here make a lot more than that.

Maybe it's an SF thing.

>>130610406
Thanks for Googling it for me ;)

what is the easiest trade to get in to? I don't really have a desire to be rich or whatever so pay isn't the biggest deal and I also don't want to kill myself everyday at work and hate my life.

>>130609277
You start a crew and tax dealers, not rob them. You don't ever want to touch drugs and get busted. The shelf life of jackers/taxers is quick tho expect to get killed

>>130610629

Easy = less pay
Less risky = less pay
Normal hours = less pay
Non skilled = less pay

Keep these in mind.

There's a reason that cashiers makes shit.

>>130610466
It varies a lot, depends on what your doing and who you work for. If you do residential shit like houses and apartments you will always make less than a commercial industrial plumber (someone that builds factories and office buildings type of stuff). Or if your self employed you can make a fuck load of money. I do side work sometimes and I can clear like 2k for doing 5-6 hours worth of work. Also you always have to keep in mind certain areas have different costs of livings which directly affects the average income in that area. Thats why i said earlier 50k a year in the south is a good amount because shit down there is cheap AF. While in places like NYC,MA, parts of Cali 50k a year sucks because shit is more expensive in that area but that generally means people will be making on average more money in that area. It all balances out. Theres a lot to it.

Being in the trade is very fucking useful and you can make a shit load of money. My buddy is an electrician and he clears like 170K yearly. If anyone ever tells you its a "dead end job" then there clearly talking out there ass.

>>130610818
See, you're doing it the common whore way...

- Find a new appealing drug that is under the legal radar.
- Learn how to produce it yourself.
- Grow your clientele.
- Set your own price.
- Repeat.

>>130587203
apply for 10 jobs a day and have at least 5 interviews a week - phone or onsite. Do this till it breaks.

>>130610629
Easiest trade to get into?
There all pretty easy to get into. Open a phone book and find a contractor, or go down to your local union hall and sign up.

We have apprentices for a reason, You learn as you work. Some schooling is required because the state wants to make sure there isn't some retard running around working on peoples houses.

My recomendation is plumbing,electrical, or become an Ironworker/welder.

Take this warning, Some days it can be hard as fuck and you might want to throw up and quit but dont be a little bitch, We usually know whos going to make it and who isn't based on how they can represent themselves. If you come in sagging around and complaining 24/7 like a bitch it wont do you any good.

Its hard labor, Its not always easy but we can handle it, that means you can too.

>>130588004
>plumbers make $400k a year
What did he mean by this?

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>>130607452
What do you think that pic is? YOU are generating training data for Google's deep neural networks.

You must have left your 'researcher' job in the 90's, because you clearly are unfamiliar with current tech. That you would equate 20+ years ago with tech today is troll level ignorance.

Meanwhile, Google is CURRENTLY launching this tech to classify YouTube videos by political content...

/pol/ is teaching a good idea?

Some sources say it's over crowded some say under manned. I was thinking history and tossing in Coaching sports. i was also thinking about archaeology or anthropology.

Thoughts on the ideas?