Brexit talks look like some 1978 meeting of the Soviets and the US

>>130523454
Because thats what it is you commie kraut.

>>130523670

Lol, exactly!

>>130523454
I really don't care as long as the crumpetsuckers pay the 150Bn they owe us.

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>>130523670
fpbp by far

>>130523670
>Because thats what it is you commie kraut.
The Brits might be a socialist people with their commie NHS and protectionist stuff and high taxes, but I would not call them a Soviet Union.

So explain yourself.

>>130523670
/thread

>>130524149
>I really don't care as long as the crumpetsuckers pay the 150Bn they owe us.

They will. Look at who negotiates for the EU and who does for the UK.

5 alpha males for the EU - no glasses, the UK has a mixed male-female team with females all with glasses.

>>130523454
its some faggy inside joke. you see the table is symbolic. itsgeneral shape is from the king arther crap. it means that every one at the table is equal

it also means any one not at the table isnt equal. its just a bunch of white people at the table

if they can cry about our election we should have some one there telling them what to do. they still wont shut up about our election and that was months ago

>>130524340
Are you blind or did you just reverse the picture for no reason?

>>130524716
It's the German sense of humour.

Seriously.

>>130524149
ha ha funny, you'll get what you are actually owed once we work out how much europe owes us, since we've been propping it up for the last 25 years, I estimate about 11bn..

>>130524797
I would have thought that if there wasn't so many krauts on /pol/ who are unironically pro-EU and spam anti-Brit threads

>>130524716
>Are you blind or did you just reverse the picture for no reason?
The Brits are on the right, the EU is on the left.

The flags are, for some weird reason, put on the wrong sides.

>>130525212
Read the caption you spastic.

>>130524947
Pay member fee in gym
Receive it back when leaving
Really fag?

>>130524197
You're the USSR faggots. We are the plucky independents saving the world from slavery (again).

>>130525408
You don't know anything, do you?

I would advise all Brits to read any Yanis Varoufakis article about his own experiences concerning dealing with EU officials because that is what British negotiators will face.

We may have more economic power than Greece, but we are negotiating from a point of weakness nonetheless and I fully expect Britain to get a poor deal. Bare that in mind when you're trying to troll euros

>>130523454
>join EU
>"anyone can leave at any time"
>decide to leave
>"sorry but no"
>"yes"
>"okay 200 billions please"
>"no"
>years of "talks"
lmao glad my country didnt fall for the EU jew

>>130525808
Greece can't bend them over the barrell with security/military cooperation, which is where this will quickly go.

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>>130525762
>He literally can't tell left from right
The EU is going to get ANGLO'D so hard. Have a Jojo reference for your troubles.

>>130525762
are you retarded?

>>130523454
>women on european side
the eurocucks have already lost

>>130525999
>>130526021
Are you guys blind? Jesus!

>>130525956

You're kidding yourself if you think those kind of concerns will make it to the table, especially considering recent terrorist attacks. It would be political suicide for all those involved, but especially May.

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>>130523454
Its over for the Euros

>>130526085
>Left has UK flag
>Right has EU flag
>caption
>Brexit secretary second man on LEFT
>EU chief negotiator second man on RIGHT
are you trolling us or what

Boy, oh boy. The UK will be obliterated during this process.

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>>130526262
>Its over for the Euros

>>130526583
NZ did a Free Trade Deal with China mate the Poms are just going to wreck you

>>130524947
Less talking. More debt paying.

>>130526633
>Your only industry is lamb, which China wants to buy
>You want to buy all the shit China makes

Its a little more complicated when it's real countries doing trade deals, little guy.

>>130524340
The EU has lowered it down to 40 billion Euros you stupid kraut. Not that we're going to pay that either.

You owe us and NATO around 400 billion. Pay debnpts pls Germoney.

>>130526944
NZ Exports to China are
Beef
Lamb
Kiwi Fruit
Timber
Milk
Dairy Products

we are 4 million people who made a deal with 1.3 billion people and did not have to sign up to free movement of people or customs union or any of this rubbish just Good and Normal Free Trade

>>130525862
>lmao glad my country didnt fall for the EU jew
which country?

>>130525448
>Oversubscribe your membership fee, paying more than you should

>PAY US MORE NOW! EVEN THOUGH YOU'VE ALREADY COVERED YOURSELF FOR LEAVING!

Really fag?

>>130523454
https://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/865

How's that impedance going, bongs?

>>130524340
Alpha males don't exist in the EU you sausage sucking kraut.

>>130527179

it is precisely because you only have 4 million people that this kind of deal is negligible relative to other nations

london has a population of 8 million

>>130527367
Brendan Cox pls leave.

>>130527179
You don't manufacture anything but food. If the UK agreed to a free trade deal with China, all their industries would be out of business. The UK actually manufactures. They wouldn't survive it.

You can see the difference, right?

>>130523454
Why do those clowns need to "talk" about it.
I thought it was voted on and passed?

>>130525808
they will give you a hard brexit.

Trust me, they care much more about politics than economics or geopolitics.

>>130527440
Hmmm?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11710479

>>130527440
We import more than we export, we will actually be fine. Besides we already have backdoor deals with the Chinks that started under Cameron. So shhh and let real countries do the deals. You sit back and cream as many Euros as you can before it collapses.
>>130527453
We shall nuke the EU. They will be of nuclear disaster zone soon (tm).

>>130523454
The process is the punishment.

>tfw DUP Nige be allowed to participate in talks
>Sombre mood in negotiation room
>Verhofstadt and co sitting there all smug
>Suddenly door smashes open
>"GOOD MORNING! GOOD MORNING!!"

One can dream

>>130527621
start with Greece please.

>>130523454
Go away Kraut, don't you have a Europe to ruin or something?

>>130527716
No, Brussels and Germoney, we shall give Grease more money so they can help in raping mainland Europe.

Europe shall be raped again!

>>130527679
Didn't the DUP say they wanted Nigel involved in the discussions?

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>>130525808
>and I fully expect Britain to get a poor deal
Then listen to people like Farage and Jacob Rees Mogg and pull out completely. No deal is literally better than a bad deal.

Just go back on WTO trade rules with the EU

>>130527621
You won't ever make a wide ranging free trade deal with China. Never ever. They would ruin you. They make a lot of the same shit as you for a fraction of the price.

You MIGHT make one with the US.

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>>130528193
>They would ruin you.
you do realize most of the west do not have any high tariffs at all now and no longer have low tech manufacturing

>>130525956
you really think that when they can internally make up for 95% of what is imported from the Uk that the Eu will give a fuck about the UK not being able to make up for 40% of its exports? that security and military concerns will outweigh the trillions in trde differentials? So what is the Uk going to do - not trade security information - and then not get any back, and face teh syrian refugee/returning jihadi mob alone?

you have no idea. weak government, with weak bargaining position going up against a united and huge and strong Eu co-operative... the UK will be lucky to keep its shirt.

>>130527825
no, please just end it.

Seriously though, the UK is in a very good position, the US is already backing you.

The EU is running on fumes, no policy is aimed at growth only at buying time.

Germany hopes that demand will somehow sprout out of nowhere.

It really shows how fucked up their priorities are when they keep talking about green policies and celebrate 0.1% growth.

Your greatest enemy right now is the house of lords, they will drag their feet every step of the way and will end up forcing you in the dillema:

HARD BREXIT
or
NO BREXIT AT ALL

What they dont realise is that brits dont hate themselves.

>>130528396
>UK not being able to make up for 40% of its exports?
they will take the hit like NZ did in the 70s when the UK entered the EEC and smashed our economy when they were 90% of our export market

>>130528493
> the US is already backing you.
But that's not true, only Trump is

>>130528129
Junker is wasted 24/7 :DD

>>130526317
>>130526583
>>130528396
I seriously don't get how you guys can support the European Union. It truly is baffling to me.
Germany I guess cuz they make money out of it but sitll it's so destructive

>>130525862
anyone can leaver. But having made commitments to certain programmes, you have to live up those commitments.

You join a club and as part of the executive committee you persuade the rest of the members to spend money, promising to contribute your share. then say "I am leaving club, sorry but you don't get your money from me - but I will take the benefits of the programs i got you pay for..."

nope, does not work that way. UK committed to pay, and now owes the money.

by the way, Brit working in france, not french... and watching while my company in the UK is being cut out of deals and loosing orders while the French (very reasonably) protect themselves from future problems and tarrif issues, getting EU suppliers to make the stuff we used to to supply. Brexit is disaster for the UK economy

>>130528753
Macron pls go

>>130528129
do you know what the WTO rules are? Worse than a bad deal... all WTO countries are trying to get a FTA with the EU because WTO rules suck.

Thats because its a bunch of collectivist commies against freedom loving folks who confiscate knives.

>>130528947
Macron better than any idiot currently leading a UK based party...

>>130529052
>all WTO countries are trying to get a FTA with the EU because WTO rules suck.
the rest of the world seem to be surviving. And besides why don't we give the brits a free trade agreement without free movement of peoples like Canada got? Why do we have to force them to have open borders when they obviously don't want it?

>>130528753
It's a disaster for you, and I hope you have to declare bankruptcy soon for having ur cock up the EU's ass.

>>130528672
>only Trump is
not true the Reps in the house and senate want a FTA

>>130528672
no its not just trump, the Obama administration propped up Tsipras in the first place and pampered us throughout our negotiation.

The EU's only purpose is to be a US satellite, if you think otherwise then prepare your ass to be raped.

>>130529176
Macron please Frexit from this thread

>>130529458
>The EU's only purpose is to be a US satellite,
The reason why the USA wanted the UK in was so that they would be able to have a say in the Union and make sure it was open to American Goods and American Capital

>>130529294
>>130529294

Because it sets a precedent for other countries to leave the EU and get a special deal, which will inevitably lead to the collapse of the EU. The EU have to give the UK a shit deal, and any brit who talks about UK's economic strength as if it matters is just a useful idiot. EU officials know the UK's economic strength, it is just more worthwhile for them to send a message to the rest of the EU members.

>>130525808
Yanis does indeed give real points in to EU "negotiations".

How as pointed out the UK isn't Greece.
In fact is would be a disaster if we simply walked away right now.
Saw an article that even under international trade, the UK would be about £150mil better off.
Politics aside there is no option economy where the UK isn't better on the outside.

>>130529609
>Because it sets a precedent for other countries to leave the EU and get a special deal, which will inevitably lead to the collapse of the EU
Well ofcourse I understand that but what kind of union is this if they have to force open borders?

Seriously why should European nations be discriminated and forced to have open borders for free trade whilst non european countries like Canada doesn't get flooded by poor europeans?

>>130527270
You get what you signed up for. I mean do you really not know what an agreement is?
You can continue screaming like an autist that doesnt change the facts

>>130529817
>but what kind of union is this if they have to force open borders?
you do realize the EU is a federal project to turn Europe into a single state

>>130529817
>Well ofcourse I understand that but what kind of union is this if they have to force open borders?
The same one where they force countries to adopt a currency even if they don't want it.

>>130528193
We have relaxed RMB trading recently, they need us more than them, we buy from them. They need to sell all the junk they have.

It's a buyers market, there's way too many people selling and not many buying, we hold the cards here. China is nothing to us anyway, we're looking at Latin America.
>>130528493
No Greece, you shouldn't suffer anymore than you have. You've paid your debt to Germany, now it is time Germany paid its debts back not only to Greece, but to the rest of Europe for the hell it has inflicted upon it.

You shall be saved.

>>130524197
>high taxes
kek Cristiano Ronaldo is literally willing to live in Manchester because taxation in continental europe is so obscene.

>>130529052
And yet other countries under WTO are absolutely fine?

You think your socialist, protectionist bloc is good? Have you ever heard of mutual indebtedness?

>>130529817

Because Canada will never be a member of the EU and it will never have the euro. The numerous economic deals that bind the EU together required a strengthening of the institution that has led to the forcing of open borders between nations. I'm not defending the institution and I think in many ways it is malevolent but there are clear motivations for how it has transformed over the last decades.

>>130526920
Do you really have any room to talk?

Pay your nato fee's you little shit.

>>130529928
>you do realize the EU is a federal project to turn Europe into a single state
yes however most pro EU people i tlak to swear up and down this isn't the case :^)

>>130529952
yes but again how does this look to outside observers. I think people will see more and more how evil and shitty the EU is during the brexit negotiations.

>>130530071
>Because Canada will never be a member of the EU and it will never have the euro
And Brittain wants out. What right do we have to force you guys to have open borders? There is no justification for it

>I'm not defending the institution and I think in many ways it is malevolent
Not in "many ways", it is malevolent

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>>130524149

I hope they walk away from the table. Fuck pucker your asshole hard brexit and you are forced to let them into your market for the low 2.5% as everyone else.

And I hope the slaves become the cliffs on which you destroy yourselves.

>>130530071
The Canary Islands and some of the French overseas territories use the Euro and are members of the customs union, they are not subjected to the freedom of movement or any other naughty rules the EU imposes.

>>130530252
Why do you Nordics always spell Britain with two t's?

>>130529551
that's a secondary goal at best.

>>130523454
Nice to see our team employing Harold Shipman

>>130530252
Thank God NZ and AUS we not allowed into ASEAN because they said we were not asian other wise we would have had free movement with all of South East Asia

>>130530268

This is a ridiculous criticism because those nations have absolutely tiny populations that would make such movement obsolete.

>>130530252
>And Brittain wants out. What right do we have to force you guys to have open borders? There is no justification for it

If Britain is able to use leaving the EU as a means to negotiate a better deal there is no reason why other EU states shouldn't do the same. If they do, the EU falls apart. I have already explained this once before. EU officials believe the EU is a good thing, so to do this for the sake of preservation is justified.

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>>130523454
>bilateral negotiation
27 vs 1,

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>>130523454
>What idiot thought that made any sense?

A German.

>>130529458
Tsipras is literally an EU shill who has conned the leaver Greeks into staying

>>130530467
So? It doesn't matter the population size m8, they are not subjected to the rules of the EU..

But I like how you try to justify this with population size. That is irrelevant lol.
>>130530557
>27 bickering kids all scrambling for what they can get and will not hold a unified position
vs
>1 nation that knows what it wants and how to get it and is prepared to walk the fuck away
Yeah you didn't think that shit through did you?

lel

>>130530467
>If Britain is able to use leaving the EU as a means to negotiate a better deal there is no reason why other EU states shouldn't do the same.
Doesn't that tell you that the EU isn't working. If everyone wants a better deal and the EU is willing to hurt it's own and the UKs economy to stop it then something is seriously wrong

>I have already explained this once before. EU officials believe the EU is a good thing, so to do this for the sake of preservation is justified.
I can't see how any rational person can believe that. I think thye know how evil it is but thye are corrupt globalists who don't care and want to make money out of it

>Letting women on the squad

lol wut are they doing????

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>>130530677
>>1 nation that knows what it wants and how to get it and is prepared to walk the fuck away
You had a hung Parliament. Your country is going down the shitter with terror attacks twice weekly.

>>130523454
>roundtable
>english

You do realize they have been doing round table since medieval times right? Its part of the traditions of England since the legends of King Arthur.

Just because you like destroying your own culture doesnt mean everyone else does.

>>130529969
we will only be saved if we save ourselves.

Dont forget, the average greek wants the debt to be forgiven just so that he can get new loans again.

Greeks want things to become as they were, they have no desire in building a real economy.

>>130530803
>Your country is going down the shitter with terror attacks twice weekly.

And yet you have to post with a European flag because you are so ashamed of your nation.

Despicable.

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>>130530816
King Arthur is a Welsh legend.
>>130530803
Take off the EU flag Turk, they haven't accepted you in yet.
>>130530860
Why are Greeks such gambling addicts? I know a few Greeks here and they love gambling. Sort that shit out!

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>>130530816
>King Arthur
>English

>>130530860
>they have no desire in building a real economy.
if you default on your loans then you will have to go to the IMF then they will bring you kicking and screaming into reforms much harder than the germans did

>>130530803
seriously dude which country are you from? I need to know. How the fuck can you support the EU?

>>130530677
>>130530677
>So? It doesn't matter the population size m8, they are not subjected to the rules of the EU..
>But I like how you try to justify this with population size. That is irrelevant lol.

I've looked at what you've posted all through this thread and it's essentially just meme platitudes. Can't you understand why these terroritories, given their historic ties to European nations and their tiny size, would be a special case compared with a nation of ~60 million people?

>>130529294
rest of the world surviving=/= having an economy as strong as the UK when in the EU.

the disruption will be huge - Uk Will be fucked for decades.

You want to be Mali, or Kazakhstan? fine. But the Uk will drop from G7... that is a long drop, and the voters will notice and then think "What idiots did this to us? who lied to us?"

>>130531051
Would Greece have to go through the IMF? I mean the IMF literally destroys nations. Can't they just default and take the hit and start over from a 19th century tier economy and rebuild?

>>130531133
So why isn't Mali, C.A.R, French Polynesia, French Southern Territories or Ceuta subjected to EU free movement rules?

Shut the fuck up you retarded Remain voting cunt.
>>130531186
You're already Mali.

>>130529317
and will take how long to negotiate it? And who will be doing the negotiations, given the amount of time and expertise tied up in the Eu talks?

and will it replace the EU current market?

no it will be highly disruptive and the US wants to lower its deficit - so they won't want to give a favourable deal to the UK.

>>130530674
>let me tell you about your country

Thanks man, your insight is truly valuable.

>>130531233
the gov will have no other ways to fund its expenses with getting loans and the IMF will be the only one willing

>>130530708
>>130530708
>Doesn't that tell you that the EU isn't working. If everyone wants a better deal and the EU is willing to hurt it's own and the UKs economy to stop it then something is seriously wrong
I'm not defending the EU here i'm only explaining why their officials are doing what they're doing.

>I can't see how any rational person can believe that. I think thye know how evil it is but thye are corrupt globalists who don't care and want to make money out of it

I don't think this is the case. I think for the most part they believe the EU is the key to peace between european states and I think there is truth to this, economic unions do contribute in this way. But I also think the methods they are now pursuing to keep the EU together are unpalatable.

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>>130531070
Ain't it obvious?

>>130529509
Already told you I am not french...

>>130531337
>given the amount of time and expertise tied up in the Eu talks?
m8 you can get the whole thing down in a year and a half

>>130531186
I would be fine with literally all of that if it meant national sovereignity.

And again if the EU was an honest good natured project for peace and prosperity like it claims we would give the UK a free trade deal without free movement of peoples just like Canada. but since we're a "totaly not a federalised state :^)" we won't

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>>130530619
Why would DB move to the land of Eng?

>>130523454
why are they sitting so far apart?

>>130531051
it is impossible to default.

Dont forget we dont have our own currency, even if we print the drachma, the euro will still be in circulation.

The only way to save greece is for the euro to be destroyed, all greek debt is in euros.

>>130531353
>let's have a referendum on whether to leave the Eurozone to placate the protesters
>what is that, a leave majority, looks like we're staying

>>130531330
>So why isn't Mali, C.A.R, French Polynesia, French Southern Territories or Ceuta subjected to EU free movement rules?

Ah yes, all territories that are part of the european heartland. Educate yourself you utter brainlet.

>>130531233
The EU needs to allow Greece to default on its loans so that it can recover.

>>130531434
the hardest part will be figuring out which EU laws to keep and which to replace and which institutions to rebuild. It will take serious time and effort, hope the Tories are up for the job because (((Labour))) will botch it all up I'm sure.
Finally MPs will have to sit on their asses and work real hard for their money.

>>130530021
Oh that's great then. I am so reassured that we will only have 14.5% tarrifs on our food..

hey (high piced) jam today and tomorrow!

but no jobs. So we won't be able to afford the jam...

>>130531354
yes I'm tlaking hypothetically. I know they won't but could Greece just say no to any loans, let their economy crumble and rebuild from the start?

>>130531370
>'m not defending the EU here i'm only explaining why their officials are doing what they're doing.
yes I understand

>I don't think this is the case. I think for the most part they believe the EU is the key to peace between european states
No it's a mix. Some of them actually believe in the project but most are there for e money and power

>and I think there is truth to this
you're incredibly wrong. Nukes and trade keep the peace in Europe

>>130531579
>all greek debt is in euros.
if you just set their and don't pay then overseas assets will start to get claimed to make up for the debt

>>130530131
someone who does not know how NATO works..

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>>130531579
>The only way to save greece is for the euro to be destroyed, all greek debt is in euros.
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the eternal Greek.
>borrows money knowing he will never be able to repay it
>wants hyperinflation to wipe out his debts
>thinks he can pull this Jewish trick more than once
Who's going to lend you money after this? You sure as hell won't suddenly start working.

>>130531652
If greece defaults then so will other countries in debt like France and Spain and Italy and then we can have a major world financial crisis only here we have real investments and pension funds wiped out and not some dodgy meme (((derivatives)))

>>130531719
>the hardest part will be figuring out which EU laws to keep and which to replace and which institutions to rebuild
they all ready have to because the EU Laws become british laws when they leave then have to figure out which ones to scrap
>>130531767
>let their economy crumble and rebuild from the start?
i don't think greeks are ready for their wages to drop to 3rd world levels

>>130531719
Scrap them all then sift through the useful ones and reimplement

We don't need to sit on lame duck policies while we decide what to trash

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>>130531822

>Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the eternal Greek.

Syriza was voted in to default on their debt so they could get out of their loan sink bullshit and the EU forced them to take on more loans. It's not greed it's debt peonage.

>you're incredibly wrong. Nukes and trade keep the peace in Europe

The EEC was founded to supplement the trade you're talking about. I think European stability is the chief ideal everyone should be concerned about, and I would rather the EU not collapse(with no better alternative) in order to preserve this.

>>130531822
Curently receive gibs to pay for other gibs.

You are paying us to pay you.

>>130531966
>they all ready have to because the EU Laws become british laws when they leave then have to figure out which ones to scrap
AFAIK all laws and regulations that havent been changed will default to EU laws and regulations on leaving but it is not a good idea to wait for so long and then start replacing them.
Greece indeed will riot into oblivion if they slash their pensions and welfare by 50 % or more

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>>130525605
>saving the world from slavery (again).
>A Fuking Brit doing ANYTHING else than enslaving ppl and nation

yeah fuck off

>>130532187
>if they slash their pensions and welfare by 50 % or more
if the swede is talking about knocking it down and rebuilding their won't be anymore pensions and welfare

>>130532008
you cant just scrap it all without replacements first or you might end up without basic laws and institutions, for example scrapping the Dublin Regulation will open your country to uncontrolled mass migration similar to the floods of 2015

>>130532247
>implying we've ever enslaved people

>>130532149
>The EEC was founded to supplement the trade you're talking about
Yes and it's now becoming a federalised state. We could all go back to just trading. Scrap the EU parliament, courts military etc

>I think European stability is the chief ideal everyone should be concerned about, and I would rather the EU not collapse(with no better alternative) in order to preserve this.
NATO and Nukes will preserve it.

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>>130531802
>t. someone who hides behind Uncle Sam and hasn't won a war by itself in the last 300 years

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>>130532008
>Scrap them all
That's 30,000 pieces of legislation, over 2,000,000 pages of laws. You fuckers can't even tell apart what comes from the EU Parliament and what came from Westminster. I'm sure business and foreign investors will be absolutely thrilled at a bonfire of rights that would turn the UK overnight into a low regulation libertarian paradise like Somalia.

Good luck and goodbye.

>>130532314
>if the swede is talking about knocking it down and rebuilding their won't be anymore pensions and welfare
exactly I'm talking pure mad max mode and restarting the greek nation from 0
But I know this would never happen.

>>130532537
>But I know this would never happen.
you would get EU military intervention anyway before you tried anything like that

>>130530708
>I can't see how any rational person can believe that.

that a union of nations that had fought two devastating wars against each other for economic reasons in the last century, now working together in free trade, with no tarrifs or national boundaries for people to travel inside, becoming one integrated and prosperous whole, might be a good idea...

ok you have a limited imagination, don't you?

>>130532409
>Yes and it's now becoming a federalised state. We could all go back to just trading. Scrap the EU parliament, courts military etc

I think the military shit is awful but everything else evolved in order to deal with problems with trade. A common currency facilitates thisit, you then need common laws and a more centralised structure to prevent the currency from getting fucked with.

>NATO and Nukes will preserve it.

The US needs one president elected who does not agree with spending american money and lives on european stability and it all goes to shit. I would rather have an institution built for purpose.

I agree it should not become a federalised state, but I don't see how devolving the EU is possible.

>>130525212

That's literally Sir Tim Barrow on the left you fucking spastic

>>130531442
>if it meant national sovereignity.

what does that mean?

In the UK the only power to make laws is the westminster Parliament, and that cannot be overturned. allEu laws are brought into Uk law by the sovereign will of the people, trough treaty and legislation passed by westminster. we have full autonomy. we are a sovereign nation.

anyone telling you otherwise is lying (Ie all the Leave people)

>>130531767
>Nukes and trade keep the peace in Europe

a> free trade through a customs union with no non tarrif barriers to trade (regulatory conformity across area)

So you agree the EU is a major part of keeping the peace.

B> Nukes keep the peace? what are you, Ronald Regan's senile ghost?

>>130524340

Cause no alpha wears glasses. Rly

>>130532644
Yes I can't see how anyone but a madman would want to see 28 nation states lose their sovereignity and be destroyed. So many diverse beauiful cultures erradicated. The EU truly is horrifying

>ok you have a limited imagination, don't you?
no I'm just not a globalist. We can have free trade and travel without giving up national sovereignity

>>130532706
>I think the military shit is awful but everything else evolved in order to deal with problems with trade
I believe trade can be upheld without a single currency or laws overriding national laws on the level of the EU courts.

>A common currency facilitates thisit
but the Euro is a failure and was from the start. we don't need it

>The US needs one president elected who does not agree with spending american money and lives on european stability and it all goes to shit.
highly unlikely to happen andnot woth sacrificing hte European nation states for. Also the Uk and France has nukes

>I agree it should not become a federalised state
but that's what it inevitably will become unless demolished. I think you know this deel down. I meet a lot of pro EU people who don't want a federalised state but we are becoming one

>>130525448

Pay members fee plus maintenance fee

Only ask for maintenance back or to knock off other account fees and pay the remainder

I should be negotiating this brexit shit.

>>130527440
Nigger you dumb our manufacturing sector is growing after free trade with China.

>>130533063
Eu law overrides national law
Eu courts override national courts
Nations should be able to govern themselves and decide their own trade deals.
nations should control their own borders

>>130533277
>So you agree the EU is a major part of keeping the peace.
not at all. Trade is and we don't need the EU for trade. Trade helps keep the peace between Japan and China aswell

>Nukes keep the peace?
they don't? The cold war would have gone hot were it not for Mutually Assured Destruction

>>130532008
You really think that is a good idea? because that is how you raise non tarrif barriers to trade. The Eu learns that no UK made goods are now conforming to EU safety standards, and so they are all illegal to import, even if there are no tarrif barriers because we keep the customs union.
Regulations are a vital part of international trade agreements. You cannot just scrap everything.

But also, you cannot expect that after leaving EU you will be able to ignore all EU laws and regulations - if you want to export to them you have to comply. So Uk outside Eu will have to comply, with no seat at the table when the laws are being made and no way to object to regulations that are unfair to UK manufacturing.

So we end up worse off than we were as incredibly powerful members of the EU who wrote the laws ourselves and vetoed the ones we didn't like.

foot shot.

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>>130524340
>in steps Nigel Farage

GOOD MORNING

>>130533839
>if you want to export to them you have to comply. So Uk outside Eu will have to comply, with no seat at the table when the laws are being made and no way to object to regulations that are unfair to UK manufacturing.
Just like Canada then? They seem to be fine with it. Ofcourse you should respect your buyers, even if the buyer is the EU

>>130528753
You're not british

>>130533839
My country of 4.5 million is almost greater per capita than yours in the glorious peoples republic of the EU in another five ten years we are going to pass you in GDP/PC the Uk is going to do fine whether it exports to you cucks or not it just needs to hit the ground running with trade deals to the rest of the world which is why we sent our best minister to help them negotiate lol.

Another thing, the Brits have good relations still in Hong Kong Singers and Malaysia they will have trade into Asia while you have none.

Will there be no Nigel?

>>130528753
None of the people voted for these things, it was done by europhile corrupt politicians who were benefiting financially from the EU gravy train. We should pay nothing.

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>>130528753
> "I am leaving club, sorry but you don't get your money from me - but I will take the benefits of the programs i got you pay for..."
can you name a benefit UK "took" with them after trying to leave?

> you have to live up those commitments
>pic related

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>>130534053
FUNNY ISNT IT

>>130534670
>>you have to live up those commitments
>>pic related
wew. haven't seen an asswhopping like that since Rodney King

>>130523454
>What idiot thought that made any sense?

The people running the whole deal. The ones who plan on bending the UK over their knee for leaving the EU to discourage others.

>>130527721
>Go away Kraut, don't you have a Europe to run or something?
We are doing that quite well, thank you.

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>>130523670
fpbp

>>130531449
They are not, they are just switching buildings.

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>>130535182
>We are doing that quite well
yeah you've really embraced the post-national thing

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>>130535182
>We are doing that quite well, thank you.
WW3 soon

>>130531517
>why are they sitting so far apart?
that was my question, it looks like the Russian-American talks over nukes back in the days.

>>130524340
The eu is on the one with the women. Are you baiting?

>>130524340
left is Brexit, right EU
also left side got one guy with glasses you blind fuck.

>>130523670

>>130530961
>>130531036

Round tables is an English tradition, most famously Edward the 3rd made an actual round table and a knights code based on the kind Arthur legend, which had a practical purpose of ensuring loyalty of his knights/lords.

>>130536182
>Edward the 3rd made an actual round table and a knights code based on the kind Arthur legend
did he suffer from autism?

>>130536297
Copying Arthur is the least autistic thing you can do.

>>130536297
Probably but it worked and is considered one of our greatest kings, and he stomped the French and the Scots.

>>130536692
>and he stomped the French and the Scots.
based

>>130528616
>they will take the hit like NZ did in the 70s when the UK entered the EEC and smashed our economy when they were 90% of our export market


sorry nz

>>130538502
It's okay we came out alright in the end but im going to tell you though if you fuck things up for us again like that we wont be there to help you again.

>>130524947
PAY