Can someone red pill me on the EU and why it's bad?

Its not bad at all

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>>130517188

>>130517188
it's facist state created by germany so they can dominate EU nations by setting economical laws that favors germanistan
>>130517236
FUCK YOU

EU is a cool guy

>>130517188
It's Germany slowly taking over the rest of Europe.
Depending on the question if you think that's a good or bad thing, it can easily explain why people think it's shit.

Encouraging a spirit of brotherhood between Europeans is a good idea, but that's only what the EU is masquerading as. In reality it's a body based on far left principles whose main purpose is to facilitate the replacement of Europeans with shitskins.

>>130517188
It destroys local identity and mulches organic history, culture and variety into a bland modern artifice

"Hurr, durr, let's give away freedom for money."

That's why. More so, only people believing in EU are those with financial interests or those who are idealistic fucktards who'll hump trees. It's a slow attempt at disintegrating the nation states and forming a "European" identity. It's a big centralization project of power in Europe, so you'd have to be pretty fucking idiotic to think that it'll impact you in a positive manner outside of economics. Even then there might in long term be larger economic losses depending on how the EU steers.

It's essentially United States 2.0 without free speech, gun rights and everything that made the US great in the first place

>>130517188
" Eastern USA"

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>>130517188

>>130517635
Is that why the EU is investing loads of dosh into regional cultural programs? For example, in my original region they drop money to prop up traditional farmers and restore churches.

>>130517885
Yes, they're turning your history into a museum

>>130517188
when It became political instead of a financial union.

>>130517188
too many noneuropeans living in the area.

>>130517432

Actually, it's a Fascist state modeled on the USSR dreamed up by the faggot French because they think they're so fucking superior. DeGaulle even made Ed Heath suck his dick to get into the Common Market.

But the French can't do anything right for very long and the Germans moved right in, just like in 1940. The French just rolled over to their new masters, just like in 1940.

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>>130517188
>>130517376
>>130517432
>>130517503
This

>Can someone tell me something obvious.
If you were interested you would have gone to other pages than fucking /pol/

>>130517885
This, EU is investing a lots of gibs to eastern yuropoor, especially our agriculture, which is almost entirely sustained by EU subsides by now. I am thankful for all these gibs unironically.

My biggest concern is just that EU is not dealing well at all with rapefugee crisis and still allowing boatniggers and calais jungle-type incidents to occur.

>>130517188
Any global/international law organization sucks because it lacks the ability to enforce any of the laws or ideas it implements. Putin steamrolled his neighbors and the most the EU and UN could do was slap him on the wrist. Trump spit in their eye with the Paris Agreement and they have no method to retaliate except with their shitty 'muh drumpf' rhetoric. It's a complete joke.

>>130517188
Well, we can reform this shit and stop islamic immigration
I unironically believe this

>>130518297
>it lacks the ability to enforce any of the laws or ideas it implements
Except EU does not lack this. Nation-states have given up their highest sovereignty to EU and it's codified in the constitution of the states that are part of EU.

>>130517188
The main problem with the EU is that political its progressive and pro-open borders.

If the political sentiment change and Juncker and Tusk gets replaced with Le Pen-like figures. Then most of EUs problems would disappear.

We decide on something, leave it lying around and wait and see what happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don't understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back

>>130518450
The UK btfo just fine. Leastways, without any coherent repercussions as of now.

>>130518204
You know this graph is a scam right

>>130518628
Because that was left as a caveat and article in the decree for certain countries.

>>130518651
post a better one then

>>130517561
neocon economics are far left guys!!! xD
I'm starting to believe that this board is infested with shills and idiots.

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>>130518254

>mfw he doesn't realize the whole agricultural sector in his country is entirely owned by foreign entities

Not only that, but most of the Eastern European products will always end up in Western Europe as exports - leaving us with shitty, low quality food that is being sold to us at astronomical prices.

tl;dr the main reason you're getting the gibs is that everything will eventually end up in Western Europe. The whole idea behind the German-led EU was to force the poorer, Eastern-European states to shift from a self-sustained economy, with robust industry and agriculture (leftovers from the Communist era) to a land of consumerism - if you follow the money, you see who profits the most out of it.

Like anything that is lead by Germans, it is destined to implode because they're an autistic bunch of faggots who we should have exterminated in the 20s

>>130518507
In addition.

A political shift in the EU, may not be as unlikely as one would imagine it would be. After all, the head of the EU are decided by the member states government. So far there is two outliers, Poland and Hungary. If some of the other countries turn or if some countries change strategy, then it may influence whom they appoint the next time.

>>130517885
>EU is investing loads of dosh into regional cultural programs?

EU is investing in multicultural festivals, refugee shit and mosques, fuck off Hans and literally kill yourself.

>>130517188
EU is old, weak, infested with parasites predator that must die
it cant hunt anymore and it started to cannibalize itself

>>130517376
>>130517432

Without the EU, you would live in holes, Niggers of Europe.

>>130518959
>multicultural festivals
Yes they do. European multicultural festivals. It's awesome to partake in the culture of e.g. Portugal or Lithuania that you'd otherwise never get to experience.
>mosques
Bull motherfucking shit. Show me a source.

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>>130518801
We don't have a choice. Our country has never been completely self-sustained and always relied on foreign markets, transit and trade.

I don't like the current situation where lots of our produce is sold to western europe while even cheaper polish food is invading our market, but there is no current alternative.

If we were to cease participating in EU free market system, our agricultural sector would collapse badly overnight and store shelves become empty for a long time. Our quality of life would certainly get worse because we couldn't get our surplus produce sold to foreign markets without EU free trade zone that easily anymore and we are left with surplus that we can't possibly all consume ourselves, driving the prices down so low that farmers go bankrupt from low pays, resulting in a minor famine.

If for some reason we WOULD recover, then it's only a matter of time before we become reliant on russian markets like it was in the 90's, therefore reliant on russians dictating our politics, which will be 100 times more destructive to our national identity than german bureaucrats doing so.

tl;dr current system is not perfect for us but it kind of works in a pre-collapse era

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It is considered bad only by illiterate alt-reich identitarian morons who have no knowledge in history.

When these nationalist cucks claim that EU has nothing to do with Europe - they are completely right.
EU is a negation of Europe itself, a negation of the constant wars between nations, be it for Kangz or Fuhrers, there is no coherent European identity to speak of, we were at each others throats all the time.

It is only the context of the EU that has ensured peace for the longest period in European history.

>>130517188
It's not bad. It simply suits certain interests for the European people to be divided. Thus they've had their agents of influence beat the propaganda drum for decades to break it up (and the weak minded eat it up).

Remember how dumb the average person is. Now remember half of the people are dumber than that.

Fact is the US, EU & NATO are the best hope Western Civilization has and we need all the institutions to work together.

>>130519690

>It is only the context of the EU that has ensured peace for the longest period in European history.

Hurr, durr, totally not the fact that USSR expansion and the defeat of a major continental power, nuclear power and American investment in Europe (and NATO), that lead to a bipolar system (neorealism) that lead to a period called the Cold War. No, it was toooootally the EU. Fucking morons.

>>130518651
are you kidding? Germany is rorting the euro with its value of 125 industrial productions.

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>>130517376
>>130517432

If you have a problem with the EU get your shit together. Globalists or Germans (seems to be the same thing in your ant brains) can only "rule" over you since you are in demand of constant gibs. But it's all because of the bad Germans invading you over half a century ago right? You're so pathetic I though you had a "white" ethno state so how hard could it be to run a profitable country? Ungrateful, incompetent scum.

>>130520139

Yes thanks to the architect of the EU, Winston Churchill,

"We must build a kind of United States of Europe... The structure of the United States of Europe, if well and truly built, will be such as to make the material strength of a single state less important... If at first all the States of Europe are not willing or able to join the Union, we must nevertheless proceed to assemble and combine those who will and those who can."

>>130519690
Global peace has been guaranteed by nuclear deterrence, not an economic trading block.

>>130518007
It was always political. The economic part was literally only to stop France and Germany killing each other.

>>130518104
I thought DeGaulle warned his people of the danger of the EU?

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>>130520492
haha, pay denbts goymany!

>>130520658

Hahaha, the EU wasn't anything back then, at best the economical ECSC in 1951. The bipolar power structure lead to a situation where Europe had to choose between East or West and MAD assured the safety within Europe. When you have an enemy you don't war between yourselves. Thus they ended up fighting elsewhere, like Vietnam and Korea.
EU was never a force behind the lack of war between nations in Europe. Outside of Europe we've made war, so that's a weak argument.

>>130517188
The EU is not bad.
The only bad thing is that there are too many fucked up countries in the EU. They don't agree on a single thing. Everyone has a different opinion.

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>>130521528
You think those gibs are free? You think they are some kind of reparations? Your slavic IQ is showing bud. Don't you get it you are the one paying those debts back in taking rapefugees and being arbitrarily regulated by "le evil Germans".

>>130517376
This.

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>>130522047
You think that I care about what you say on some random mongol horse trading website?

>>130517760
we have free speech

we dont have guns (which works pretty good actually)

>>130521405

Not at all, as long as the French, i.e. DeGaulle were running things. One reason why he kept England out of the EEC for the longest time.

I think you're thinking about NATO, which DeGaulle kicked out of France.

>>130517188
It's a totalitarian federal government that takes away individual liberties of member states.
They've done some good, and the European Parliament usually comes with pro-civilian and pro-consumer proposals, but the rest of the EU system is total aids run by kikes that seek to weaken us.

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>>130517236
fuck off kraut

>>130522430
LOL wut?! Actuall its the opposite.... we dont have freespeech (lol try it) and we can have guns but we dont have a us typical gun"culture" in austria instead we have drinking "culture"

>>130522210
>lol I don't care

Then enjoy your "fair share" of mudskins and keep blaming the Germans for fucking up Europe for the 6th gorillion time. But remember, you are the one completely demolishing the narrative that a western ethno state is successful by default.

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>>130517188
The way Jean Monnet envisioned its a racist superstate where brown mixed mongrel low intelligence worker race is ruled by the aristocratic white elite race with varying degrees of status and power like a european version of caste system.

Mass-immigration and push for race-mixing is all part of this plan. Europoors of /pol/ just oppose it because they are part of the future lower castes.

I probably don't even have to tell you (((who))) are part of the future ruling caste.

>>130522924
okay whatever you say sweetie

>>130517188

There is nothing wrong with the idea of an European Union. And this European Union started really with the intention of uniting European nations in a sense of ''Never again'' (Wars between European countries.) Because we are brothers of some sort.

But now the EU has become a corrupt organisation with only one goal: Destroying Europe.

>>130523178
>But now the EU has become a corrupt organisation with only one goal: Destroying Europe

Destroying the old Europe is necessary for the birth of a new better (((Europe))).

>>130518757
Neocons are Trotskyites you turd.

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>>130518204
THIS

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>>130523492

>>130517188


basically Europe union is Germany desu

>>130523061
>>130523370
So the plan is to do exactly what ruined several great empires but never actually achieving the empire status?

By now i can only agree with this >>130518321 and the solution is >>130518880

>>130523492
>>130523525

And where's your proof it would be different if there was no EU? Maybe this is just for the better.

>>130523370

Depends what you see as a new Europe and a old Europe.

For me the old Europe is the fights between the nations, and our own race.

The new Europe would be for me United in Diversity. Celebrating each country their own traditions and cultural differences and working in harmony to be a amazing Europe.

>>130517188
Because amerilards and jews hate it

>>130522467
individual national liberties which are overcome and unnecessary compared to the international solidarity you could have in the EU. a positive and controlled globalizations needs solidarity. you can't avoid it and it can have a good outcome if you try to affect it in a fair-minded way. in the end also the eu is just a start of something even bigger. you just have to overcome those whiny nationalists.

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>>130522047
>Don't you get it you are the one paying those debts back in taking rapefugees
Lel. Enjoy your caliphate Hans

>>130523796
So that Germany can better support its migrants whilst the other euro countries wither??

>>130517188
It's literally the capitalist version of USSR

>>130522924
>Western

>>130517188
it's hijacked by marxists who wan to turn Europe into one single country with a bunch of mongrels ruled by them

also no guns

A nation's currency will typically gain or lose strength in response to an imbalance of trade. Some of this response occurs naturally, and some can be active change as a result of gov't policy.

A strong exporter [e.g., Germany] will see an increase in demand for their currency, which will drive up the value of said currency. This increases the price of their exports as seen by other nations [e.g., Portugal], and makes foreign goods seem cheaper to Germans. Both these results will reduce Germany's exports. The reverse happens when a nation is a weak exporter. The currency again adjusts to address the imbalance.

Germany is a strong exporter. Now, they have tied their own currency to a hoard of weaker nations, and so it is artificially weak. Conversely, the currencies for Portugal, Spain, Ireland, Greece, etc. are stronger than they should be. As a result, Germany soars, and the PIGS plummet.

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>>130523061
Don't forget the hapa who inspired it all.
>https://paulmaupome.wordpress.com/2017/05/30/a-second-look-at-white-genocide/

>>130517188

Eu was born thanks Mitterand and Kohl. The first didn't want a new unified Germany, because he tought it was too risky for France, so he wanted to bound it to them.
Germany said ok, but only if they both worked togheter to destroy Italy and transform it to a third world country (at that time Italy was much much better than Germany in all sector, and it was its strongest competitor).

In the meanwhile Italian politicians were kicked out thanks burger and mossad, and a new politician class was born, made by "postcommies" and "cuckliberals".
Both of them had as most important mission the total distruction of Italy (liberals said that the state is bad and had to be destroyed, postcommies as just retard and wanted to destroy it and italians just because their ideology failed hard and wanted a revenge with the destruction of everything) so they supported EU.