Why is it that so many people are susceptible to the obvious

Most people are fucking stupid. If you've ever read anything by Peter Watts you'll be familiar with his concept of "Zombies". They look human, they act human, for all intents and purposes they are human. The only difference is they aren't sentient, they simply act as if they were. They have no true identity or sense of self.

You don't need the Internet for people to have information, although it makes it much easier. The thing is, stupid people will always exist and prefer what they think the herd believes rather than think for themselves.
It's easier and stupid people prefer easy.

Besides, we live in an increasingly anti intelectual culture (at least among the masses) and that contributes to it too.

>>130510868
>They have no true identity or sense of self.

Indeed and that is also why they want to be able to be an attack helicopter or what not. They are simply fucked in the brain.

>>130510868
Peter watts? Can you give me some titles ?

>>130511091
Blindsight and Echopraxia, they were republished as a single volume under the title Firefall on Amazon iirc.

You're being manipulated here too, anon. Be smart about what people say and analyze the flow of information and the way people post and be critical of every statement, whether you are for it or against it because there are people here (including myself) who pretend to be of a different alignment for shits and giggles and people here who seriously do it to manipulate opinions here, and in some ways do it in a clever way.

One good example is to oversaturate /pol/ with neonazism( it's the best way to create more white nationalists and deter people of on-white descent to /pol/, which creates further conflict between races and leaves people more ignorant because they refuse to come here and associate themselves with this board.

It can never be reversed as long as stupid people exist. There is no redpill - it's just cynicism charaded as intelligence. Just be critical about everything and don't take everything to be an absolute truth.

>>130510627
Massive confirmation bias spanning their whole sentient life. It begins in grade school with the "Hitler is evil" and black people being whipped propaganda.

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>>130510627
All of your questions will be answered by reading this book.
Rampant immaturity is real. It manifests itself in many ways. The retardation we see and SJ or hipster subculture is just one example of this

>>130510627
>ordinary people
>question
Next time you'll tell me pigs can fly

>>130511163
I've been on 4chan since 2007 I'm an oldfag bro I know the culture, I've been on /pol/ since the onset of the election, but I appreciate the input. I really really hate that some people lurk here for a couple weeks and then need this place to validate what is true when most people here have no relationship with reality

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>>130510627
I've been blown away by the power of media. People have no idea that they're being told what to think or that they're part of a cool new fashion. Thoughts can be fashionable just like clothing. I look around at a lot of these people who are wearing intellectual bell bottoms and I'm terribly unimpressed with their honest ignorance. They have no idea what's happening. I'm not sure if there's something wrong with my generation psychologically, perhaps needing validation of some sort of if people are naturally sheep.

I'm not blaming Jews. I think it's much bigger than that.

>>130511961
Never seen it worded this way anon good shit

>>130511961
The (((elites))) see us as cattle, and mainly they are right. They have taken a very nuanced livestock approach to the human masses. I agree, its truly masterful.
I don't want this to be a circlejerk but people like us here are really a small minority that can't really interfere with this design, the odd ones who shake out and fall through the cracks. Aware, but largely powerless, which is true suffering.

>>130510868
Jesus christ australia start watching the JP lectures. People will kill or be killed for retarded belief systems because they are afraid of the chaos changing them. Combine that with social media constantly selecting only for "popular" content and the MSM (and society) controlling naughty information and you end with naive vulnerable nu-males and normies. That's why 4chan is so influential far beyond it's relatively small user base. Here we embrace chaos with glee.

>>130510627

They are jaded youth with nothing going on with their life or direction. Generation X had Vietnam. Millennials have nothing

Bad parenting are school environment. They allowed themselves to be manipulated by liberal propaganda because they want to feel they are needed and that they are doing something useful for society.

>>130511961
i would say that the major problem is the lack of free time to critical thinking. everybody sees the world through a fuckin screen. even worse for those who are born with a cellphone on their hands.

i would even say that those who get bored, are privileged. boredom is a path to think for yourself. nowadays everyone is afraid of boredom.

of course there are exceptions but the majority will always have a robotized mind

Low testosterone

The estrogen in the water makes men feeble and weak minded

I seriously believe this

>>130512203
>That's why 4chan is so influential far beyond it's relatively small user base
4chan doesn't have a small userbase. In terms of unique daily users, 4chan shits on every single news media corporation individually and most of the big ones combined. 4chan is the largest English language image board in the world, the largest political news platform in the world, and the second largest social media in the world. It's the 40th most popular website in the world, beaten mostly by porn sites.
The only social media sites that compete with 4chan are Twitter and Facebook.

4chan isn't small.

>>130512107
Thank you. I'm much more skeptical and critical of trends. Think about it. People even use the same language and repeat it like original thoughts. People don't listen to each other. They just wait for their turn to speak. Of course we only need one of them to speak because they all say the exact same things in the exact same language.
>"systemic"
>"problematic"
>"privilege"
The list goes on. It's the same vocabulary. I think social media is very good for providing validation and comfort since people like being on teams and young people especially need a cause to believe in. They're always on the prowl for a grand moral crusade to join. It's an age when we feels so much but unfortunately have relatively little knowledge to pair it with. A lot of these trends will dissipate when those "kids" grow up. So there is an end to it all.

>>130510627
1. Not everyone is good at pattern recognition. The lower your IQ, the more likely you are to fall for liberal propaganda.

2. A lot of people are just liberals in name only. They use it to virtue signal, playing the part, and then go back to their lives where they live like conservatives.

>>130510627
The worst brainwashing is occuring on tv and at school/uni. The right is doing pretty good on social media.

People are so susceptible to brainwashing on social media because they already have been conditioned and programmed from a very young age. It will only get worse once they get older, uni will radicalise them and they will use information accordingly so that it backs their thoughts... until they reach a breaking point

Just think about it: every other terrorist attack in Europe liberals just get more radical in their idea of peace, love and equality. They're not backing down and admitting we should go harder on muslims, no, they keep perpetuating that we can only overcome terrorism if we fight "hate"

>>130512486
Interesting. Tell me more? Any links?

>>130512642
yeah like being in denial. plus tons of people are afraid of being labeled as fascists if the express different ideas

The never learned to be an individual within the group instead of the group

That's the issue, just look at the headlines of these normie sites.

It's never about one person doing doing something wrong, it's always "we" to play on your sense of group indentity

>we've all been peeling avocados wrong and here why
>why we are all wrong about coriander
>x is gonna change and why we should be x about it

>>130510627
The media exist to appeal to the outrage sensors thus pushing people to either extremes...oh and people are dumb.

>>130510627
fear and desire to fit in
why do you think North Koreans don't question their government?

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>>130512371
>Millennials have nothing

Maybe. I remember the run up to the Iraq war. It's burnt into my consciousness actually. How could an entire nation end up willingly going along with something so obviously malevolent and delusional? It was the worst thing that happened in my late adolescence because it shook my faith in the adult world to pieces. Even now when I look at my old school friends who joined the army and came back burnt out shells of men all I can think is "that could have been me". Compared to them I feel glad I "only" lost about 8 years of my life to serious mental illness.

Yeah. Better to be a NEET schizo than a PTSD dude who only knows how to run 20 miles and shoot a gun. In spite of everything, I can proudly say it's better to be a lonely weirdo than that kind of normie.

>>130512881
there's nothing wrong with group identity as long as it's beneficial to your group and yourself. it's the forced group identity aimed at making you submit to another group that's destructive.

>>130512795
It's like a fucking cult. Although I do believe that a lot liberals are simply afraid to back down in their rollercoaster of liberal rethoric because admitting the right wing was right all along would damage their ego and honour

Most discussions and debates are completely useless because the other party doesn't care about right or wrong, they only care about saving their face. They don't want to admit they're wrong and will participate in the most obnoxious forms of mental gymnastics

But lest not forget that a lot of liberals genuinly believe this crap about ending terrorism by just being nice to muslims

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>>130512976
It's tragic isn't it? The only way to authentically connect with people and enjoy a real life with real relationships is to speak truthfully, not just peddle "popular" sentiments - that's like wanting to society into reddit. Fugg dat.

>>130511149
Will I be put on a right-winger list if I buy that or is it fairly neutral?

>>130513121
Never said there's anything wrong with group identity in so far as you try to pull the group up by being a functioning person within that group and not just an avator for the group.

You need to be an individual with the group

>>130513259
It's award winning sci-fi. It's not a political work, though it does have some social commentary.

>>130513131

>But lest not forget that a lot of liberals genuinly believe this crap about ending terrorism by just being nice to muslims

the surreal part is that they have info about suspects and let them roll freely until those suspects do shit. ffs

Sometime in the 90s, the culture slanted sharply towards conformity. The fun of the 80s was shut down and no one was allowed to be as colorful anymore. Political correctness rose and went unquestioned until we got to where everything is self-policed. "You can't say that!", yet if you ask "why not?", they haven't even thought that far and will look at you dumbfounded without a response.

>>130512371
This is a big one. The hero complex is exactly why virtue signalling and protests over nothing are so common these days. They're itching for a purpose, but won't take the time to think for themselves and create their own.

>>130512405
This too. I'd say they're afraid of quieting their minds actually rather than simply boredom.

>>130513345

sounds a good book. hey, don't forget that the science fiction genre is one of the best when it comes to social issue. the last and best genre of the 20th century maybe

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>>130510627
Most people, especially millennials, don't think critically about what they read. It's a skill that must be taught and reinforced through example, and lax parenting is mainly to blame. Schools certainly aren't teaching it, and parents should be picking up the slack. The resurgance of religion and other "listen and believe" behaviors play a role as well.

>>130513548
Hey anon! Post boipussi!

Why would I question my favourite popstar when they're making political statements I know nothing about?

If she thinks that way then I will think that way no matter what is is because like she's literally my favie famalam YASS QUEEN SLAY

>>130513620

>Schools certainly aren't teaching it, and parents should be picking up the slack.

yes! this a lot. i had just 2 or 3 teachers that tried to talk about some real deal besides the subject itself. there is a huge dumbing process in the school system. also, a lot of parents still think people only have time to learn at school

This is a good dialogue that touches on the the mindset of the left and right. I would highly recommend people reading it at least once if not two or three times. https://archive.is/EJFLt

>>130512486
Look at us, we are the kikebook nao.

>>130510627
Because most people get all their news and views from sites/people that they agree with and only see one side of the story. Also it's not just the left being brainwashed the right is the same extremist politics on both sides benefits noone it just creates headcount politics and makes politicians lazy, appealing for the easy vote rather than running the country right

On the global rank according to Alexa, 4chan is on rank 215. Compare that to Twitter, that is on rank 11, and tumblr, that is on rank 47. You'll notice it isn't that big compared to the social networks. But for an image forum that has a rather niche style and culture, it's still quite big.

>>130512499
Comparing the way of thinking to a fashion trend is a great tool to use in the future appreciate it. You're also right on inbalance of caring compared to knowledge, theirs so much energy to learn yet the MSM suppresses any real knowledge to be gained. So we're left with the SJW phenomenon based off of lies

>>130512642
Come to think of it, these younger generations it's all they know

>>130514269
>>130512486
Meant to reply to this one.

i think you fags are too melodramatic

yes, people are dumb. humans have effectively been plebs or serfs to an elite aristocrat class since prehistory

we are experiencing the first time in history where 1) the common (western) civilian is smart enough to read and form basic opinions and, more importantly, 2) they can broadcast their dumbass opinions to the world at large.

i dont mind the riffraff because i dont sweat retards and what i cannot change

the REAL question: if you are so (((smart))), how can you manipulate yourself to rise above the masses? class mobility has never been higher, and the top 10% is arguably the true trophy of intelligence

>>130514397
class mobility was much higher 50 years ago

>>130514397
class mobility? wut?! where?!

>>130512148

pretty much this, and yeah I try to avoid the circlejerk that comes with agreeing with a post, but it's true here in this example.

how to effect change though? at the very least we have the will to alter the perceptions of culture through memes and anonymous interjection of larger truths, unknown to the public.

Read propaganda and true Believer. There you go, manipulating the population never was this easy.
The best slave is one that thinks he's free.

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>>130514397
into the oven, kike

>>130514397
>how can you manipulate yourself to rise above the masses? class mobility has never been higher, and the top 10% is arguably the true trophy of intelligence
Get a good career, have kids and make friends with others who have kids, buy a house in a poor area on the ourskirts of a city, watch your house appreciate in value while you make money from your career, invest any extra cash you have sensibly.

>>130511961
>Thoughts can be fashionable just like clothing.
They are called memes and they rule the world.

>>130510627
because most people are fucking stupid and just believe anything waved in front of them. It's easier to do that than seek out information

>>130514536
try being a nigger or a gook 50 years ago

>>130514612
its not easy, but it hasnt ever been easier than now. hard work, sharp mind, and values will absolutely pay off in this world

im really explaining self enterprise, honestly. the fruits of your labor to yourself

>>130514352
You have to keep in mind that our memes spread to bigger sites like reddit, which reach a lot more people and then become mainstream.
We actually have a lot of indirect influence. And we could use it well, but normally it's just silly memes...

>>130510627
I have considered the possibility that half the population are incapable of forming original thoughts and are only capable of being told what to think.

>>130514269
>falling for the Alexa meme
Their rankings are based in part on their toolbar, and you have to be fucking retarded to install that spyware piece of shit, so...

>Unique Visitors are determined by the number of unique Alexa users who visit a site on a given day

https://support.alexa.com/hc/en-us/articles/200449744-How-are-Alexa-s-traffic-rankings-determined-

Marketing.

We no longer market products, but entire lifestyles.

>>130510627
You need to understand that people are inherently dumb and want to follow trends. It's really hard to wrap your head around this, but consider it this way: there's a reason advertising is a multi billion dollar, hyper successful market. It's because it works.
Every time you're on the internet and see a stupid advertisement and you roll your eyes to it, remember that the ad is there because it's sold more than enough to justify paying for a spot.

Once things like this start to click, you'll really appreciate how stupid people even at average IQ can be.

>>130515049
>gooks
that's their problem. stay in gook countries and create whatever social mobility you want there. you're not entitled to migrate and demand the country caters to you

>niggers
back to Liberia it goes. how about some reparations in form of a one way ticket there + startup money

>>130510627
You ask that here? Where most of the disinformation comes from? Flat earthers and other nonsensical reasoning took root here then the memes began to flow, for no reason other than we know some autistic faggots are going to believe them and it's fun to do it.

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>>130514890
>only about 10% of people will do this

>>130515372
flat earthers etc are just shills that work to discredit this place

>>130513985
>a lot of parents still think people only have time to learn at school
A lot of parents are even more stupid about the subject than their children. So their teaching does not really help at all.
And since teachers are humans too they are also biased.

>>130515274
youre missing the point, you massive tryhard.

i said class mobility has never been higher, not whether fuckoffwerefull

>>130515680
And you're wrong fucktard. Class mobility was higher 50 years ago. Except for migrants - holy shit. You mean to tell me foreigners aren't entitled to social mobility in other countries.

>>130510627
>liberal brainwashing
Be specific

>>130510627
Critical thinking has not been a part of school curriculum for decades. In fact they seek the opposite, to strip people of critical thinking skills to the point that they're using knee jerk emotional reactions at all times. Not only is impulsiveness good for capitalism, but it's good for controlling people because they can be won with appeals to emotion instead of needing to present actual arguments. Why do you think the most popular voices in the media on both sides are typically loud, boisterous, and speak in a way to elicit emotion before logic?

We fix it by taking control of the schools from the left and making critical thought and logical argument once again the core values because they form the foundation of a proper education.

>>130513131
>But lest not forget that a lot of liberals genuinly believe this crap about ending terrorism by just being nice to muslims
That's because they completely misunderstand the root of Islam and Islamism. They believe that Islam can be reformed, which in fact is already happening in the form of Islamic imperialism, but not as a progressive peaceful and tolerant Islam simply because it's opposite to the message of the Quran.

I find the use of the term of "terrorist" is a misnomer, because they are not engaging just in terrorism, they are fighting a war against the West and the rest of the world. And the fact that it is a war, the normies simply refuse to realise it.

>>130516309
Then again, the Left hate the West and want it to be destroy, after all Marx was a (((communist))).

>>130515882
i mean, i wanna strawman you cause your arguments so fucking contradictory

if you cant measure a migrants or minorities ability to climb the social ladder, what is your metric? they are literally worst case scenario, so its very conservatice and logical to base the bar at their demographic

protip: a 7th generation boipussy in the 50s suddenly getting boomer era middle class isnt good social mobility - its the opposite because it took his bloodline nearly two centuries to jump from poverty to working class

>>130516309
They also mistakenly believe everyone in the world is just like them, except the right, and the nazis. And terrorism is a form of warfare, attacks against civilian and soft targets to elicit terror. It's accurate to call suicide bombing and GTA larping terrorism because that's what it is.

>>130516238
People watch the news for entertainment.

>>130510868
I should check this out. I have a job in which I meet lots of people fleetingly and I've found that most people are on auto pilot, do not really listen, and and are socially awkward. They're just repeating whatever pleasantries they think are in right now and it just sounds forced, and they can't hear two pieces of information without repeating one of them as a question. These must be the people in the book.

>>130516640
And that's a problem.

>>130510627
some people cannot handle raw reality, they want something to parse it through and they do not mind if it distorts reality if it makes things comfortable for them. It is the essential selfishness of humans, these people don't believe the governments lies, they just turn a blind eye to them. Look at society, obesity, drug addiction etc, these problems are easily solved(eat less, stop taking drugs) yet people will not stop they will not face the truth, and plenty of people are ready to take advantage of that with diets and fad weightloss products and expensive drug rehab facilities. Many people love the bullshit, they live in it, it is warm and easy and it is never their fault or responsibility.

Look at 9/11, everyone has seen the demolition , it is obvious that building was demolished yet they prefer the lies, like a man that pretends his wife isn't cheating even when he knows it.

Most people have a remarkable capacity to fool themselves, a survival mechanism to avoid confrontation.

Women (and the modern high estrogen male) are the main people with this 'disorder', natural selection has made them that way, have you seen women just scream and panic whenever that bubble of false security is burst? every women that was ever in a terrorist attack would be happy for an 'ebil nazi' to come and kill all the muslims in that moment, but let them calm down and within a month they want to vote to give more rights to the invaders.

My wife has this, she hates muslims and immigrants generally, yet is friends with some gook whore, when i challenge her about it you can see her brain failing to make the connections and instead come up with excuses.
(she is going back!)


The root of the problem is women, it has been since since the first human societies were subverted by an outsider.

>>130510627
Because liberal values sound pretty cool at entry-level and only get worse later, when you're in already. You won't hear about seizing the means of production or destroying our civilization when you're new. I was a liberal at some point, due to brainwashing, so let me tell you how it works. You get engaged in some community, usually on the Internet, that "shares" some value wih you (for me it was freedom of speech, ironically). You talk to people and find out that you agree with them on everything. They all believe in free speech, in human rights, in some other freedoms etc. And when they see they got you, that you like those people and this website, they'll start to slowly brainwash you.
"What, you support human rights but not gay marriage?"
"What, you support freedom of speech but not the media that tells obvious lies?"
etc. At the beginning it's slow, they bombard you with arguments that at first glance seem to make sense, and once you accept them, they go further. Step by step they indoctrinate you into the most fucked up ideology ever conceived by human, and you don't see it, because the steps are so small that the change in opinion that occurs after their victory in discussion looks so small that you think your opinion didn't actually change at all, those people just helped you clear some shit out in your brain that you failed to yourself.

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>>130510627
They're putting chemicals in the water and basically everything you ingest is chalk full of shit to make your weaker mentally and physically. Combine that with the fact that most people are dumb as fuck to begin with and then go to re-education camps- uh er I mean- college

And you have a recipe for sheeple

>>130510627
>remember this guy
>"something bad happened to him right?"
>"like he was assaulted or someone broke his typewriter or something"
>remember he was only made a meme and made fun of
>feel bad for him because it reminded me of my own insecurity and anxiety
>realize liberalism is literally mental illness

>>130510627
Peer pressure and the righteousness that pervades Christianity and Atheists.

>>130510627
If I recall, this dude was like writing people short stories for a small fee while they waited. Not any less gay tho

>>130517579
I don't see women screaming that often.

>>130510627
>Why is it that so many people are susceptible to the obvious liberal brainwashing that occurs on social media especially twitter?

"Social proof" is a hell of a drug.

>>130510627
Perhaps they are oblivious to it because they don't see it actually being something more than what it seems like it is. It has to be pushed by the mainstream media for them to notice it, since that is their only way of gathering any information

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>>130510627

Because pic related.

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>>130510627
>Why is it that with the internet, which is a Library of Alexandria 10 fold, can people be so warped into having beliefs that have no basis in reality

Before, people had to search for knowledge if they were so inclined. Now knowledge is being pushed right in front of everyone, regardless of ability. This is the conclusion: the retarded, who repeat what they've heard that sounds good, having just as much voice as the gifted, who have crafted their own outlook based on said knowledge. Everyone, regardless of race, sex, or land ownership, now being allowed to vote, is the same concept leading us into the gutter.

>>130520874
Also, with natural selection being completely destroyed thanks to prior built-up knowledge, current technology, and community, intelligence will only free-fall as the centuries go on, that is, if we last that long.

>>130510627
our society is too lax and too safe
by safe I mean the state becomes a nanny and coddles the fucking idiots into a false sense of belonging

Most people only have something to comfort them. If ideology comforts them, they accept it without questioning it. Sometimes that decision is conscious, sometimes not.

>>130510627
It sounds well-meaning on its surface, and lefties are good at targeting propaganda towards kids. Growing up in the West, you get the sense that the only conservative views in the world come from your dad/grandfather and even if he means well he's on the wrong side of history

Hell, if I hadn't been naturally perceptive and resentful of the blame whitey bullshit from a young age, I likely would have never given other strains of thought a fair shake