Protestantism vs Catholicism Which is better?

it depends on the protestant church that you follow.

Protestantism was just a way for northern europeans to get off the church's big welfare slave cock and allow pagan traditions in conjunction with jew worship

>>130467933
Evangelical Presbyterian?

>>130467801
Orthodoxy

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It's obvious

Protestants are better at actually practicing Christian values but worse at maintaining Christian traditions.

Catholics are better at maintaining Christian traditions but worse at practicing Christian values.

Orthodox Christians are good at both.

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>>130467801
>Which is better?

Science.

>>130467801
which one let the jews get away with their schemes instead of being banished?

>>130468245
PROTTIES!

>>130468203
So Protestantism?

>>130468034
>>130468171
Not enough orthodox churches in America

>>130467801
Protestant "sola scriptura" dictates that the bible alone should be fondation of religion.

but "sola scriptura" itself is not in the bible

let's face it: Protestantism just lets Catholics act like Jews.

>>130467801
Roman Catholicism in every case.

>>130467933
Nope

>>130468438
there are literally none in New Zealand

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>>130468203
>he thinks science has an explanation for the meta phsyical
There are things beyond mere empirical science, reddit.

>>130468475
>let's face it: Protestantism just lets Catholics act like Jews.

^^^^^^^^^^This

>>130467801
>catholicism
>"catholic without the pope" fake protestants, aka Anglican/Episcopal
one word for them both: pizzagate

>>130467801
That's not right.

Jesus died and the earth trembled and everyone realized they had fucked up.

Romans recreated Christ's story to promote their tradition, became Roman Catholic hq in Italy.

Jews adapted it to maintain Judaism, and became orthodox.

Paul's story is the most accurate format which leads protestantism

>>130467801
>the apostles

I do hope you're not including Paul in there.

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>>130467801
Orthodoxy

>>130468772
>talks about pizzagate
>doesn't talk about the records of Podesta talking about his plans to make the catholic church more progressive so it becomes more corrupted
The jew fears traditionalist catholicism.

>>130468543
I agree with you but religion does a shit job at explaining them. Unironically /x/ is even more useful at than christianity.

Protestantism of course.

>>130468960
Catholicism is already corrupted. The church is involved in human trafficking and satanic ritual child sexual abuse. So are the Episcopals.

I'm fedora btw, not Protestant in case that's what you think

>>130468104
>Wow, our arbitrary letter to number conversion system makes these 2,000-year-old titles add up to 666
>DAE catholocism is literally satan???

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Look at this instead. :)

>>130467801
Stoicism

>>130467801
It should be Jesus and Apostles → Church → Tradition → Scripture, without parallel lines.

Also, Protestants have pretty much rejected the Apostles, which is an indirect rejection of Christ, and their worship of Scripture should be causing them some cognitive dissonance since they reject the doctrines of those who canonised the Bible.

>>130468843
Paul is shit and should be rejected completely. He fully perverted the original teachings of Christ and set christianity on a path that would lead to warmongering and exclusivity.

>>130469255
Thank the second Vaticanum for that. High ranking progressive heretics would need to be excommunicated in order to restore order.

>>130469304
>: 4chan bait.jpg

>>130468995
>trying to use religion to explain materialistic effects
Why don't people in the west no longer understand how religion works?
Why do people think that the conclusion form "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." it follows to become poor in order to do god's will?
The way of Jesus is the way of wisdom, not of truth in a materialistic sense, this is why he left Pilate's question after truth unanswered.

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>>130467801
Rational truth

>>130467801
This is simple.
It didn't even take the full lifetime of Father Luther for Protestants to split into opposing camps. There is over thirty thousand known protestant sects according to the World Christian Encyclopedia, 2001 edition.

The Catholic Church remains throughout all heresies, even the current one with a heretical pope.

>>130469535
Unfortunately, this.
As an ex-protestant myself, all it took was the reading of the early Church fathers. Talk about a dose of reality.

>>130469535
This, except anything related to Paul should be rejected.

Gnosticism

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>>130467801
Depends on what you mean by "better". You also need to keep in mind that here can be significant variation within denominations. I was raised Catholic. Based on the churches and private schools I attended, I've come to view Catholicism as being "better" than a lot of Protestant denominations that I've encountered.

It's kinda hard to explain, but Catholicism always seemed to me to be more serious than other Christian denominations (at least the ones I've seen). The easiest way to explain it would be to highlight the differences in how Mass is done. At the Catholic churches I've been to there is a sort of heavier atmosphere of respect, reverence, and a sense of duty to behave like upstanding human beings in accordance with the teachings of Christ. On the other hand, I've been to some Christian Masses where they have live bands and everything is lighter and happier and there's more of a "Jesus loves you me and everybody let's all be nice to each other" atmosphere. It also almost seems like sinning is treated more like "oh gosh I did something bad but thankfully God will forgive me yay" as opposed to the more Catholic approach of "I need to acknowledge that I have sinned, thus failing to act in accordance with God's teachings. Thankfully God will forgive me, but I must strive to better myself so as not to sin again".

I definitely feel that the Catholic church has been in a state of decline in recent years, so much so that even I have become rather disillusioned.

>>130471030

Same here to an extent. I love Catholic mass, because of the meditative and serious atmosphere. I don't agree with all the doctrines however, and I don't know if that should be a reason not to be considered Catholic.

My biggest reserves are: I feel that I should only pray to God, and that I don't need to confess my sins, especially to a priest. God and I both know I sinned and that I should improve myself and be a better person.

>>130467933
This, read the works of Luther and Calvin. Don't give into the inbred retardation of newer Protestant branches
>>130468034
Presbyterian is near the top of my list for best churches.

>>130474008
Sad because none of protestantism is found in the early church fathers

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>>130467801

More accurate version

>>130473625
Ask yourself why did the early christians need the apostles to tell them what to do

>>130473625

From the Catechism:

>During his public life Jesus not only forgave sins, but also made plain the effect of this forgiveness: he reintegrated forgiven sinners into the community of the People of God from which sin had alienated or even excluded them. A remarkable sign of this is the fact that Jesus receives sinners at his table, a gesture that expresses in an astonishing way both God's forgiveness and the return to the bosom of the People of God.44

>In imparting to his apostles his own power to forgive sins the Lord also gives them the authority to reconcile sinners with the Church. This ecclesial dimension of their task is expressed most notably in Christ's solemn words to Simon Peter: "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."45 "The office of binding and loosing which was given to Peter was also assigned to the college of the apostles united to its head."46

>The words bind and loose mean: whomever you exclude from your communion, will be excluded from communion with God; whomever you receive anew into your communion, God will welcome back into his. Reconciliation with the Church is inseparable from reconciliation with God.

>>130474366

....that's an excellent point. Priests would have more dedication to the study of Christianity and a connection to God. It wouldn't mean I couldn't have my own interpretations on issues that differ from doctrine, but that I should ultimately seek the counsel of and work through priests when available.

>>130474871
Look at Clement's epistle also and see how there was already a notion of the authority of the clergy and even their roles being different from laity

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>>130473625
I vaguely remember learning about how there was a type of confession that involved "perfect contrition" or something where you technically don't need to go through a priest, but that's more of an extreme circumstances thing iirc. I think there was some reasoning based on a couple passages in one of the gospels (maybe James?), that provides reasoning for why the church encourages confessing through a priest. My memory is getting hazy on this stuff desu.

But yeah I'm with you on that. I feel that if we need to confess a sin, we confess to those involved. If you've wronged somebody besides God, you should confess to all involved parties. Which typically isn't the priest. I also don't agree with a few doctrines and practices, particularly circumcision, and I'm uncomfortable with the more lackadaisical approach to sin that seems to be creeping into the Church. It seems more and more that we're encouraged to tolerate and forgive and accept sin without ever putting our foot down and declaring that it's wrong. I also think that both Pope Benedict and Pope Francis were/are incredible disappointments as popes.

I dunno man, it all just feels so tiresome. I'm falling away from the church and I feel as if there's something I should be doing, something I could be doing to fix this, but I just don't know what it is. All I can do is keep praying.

>>130468543
t.lazy defeatist tard

>>130474871
>Getting Jewed into lined by the Serpent of Rome and his hellish band

No thanks, I don't want Pope Fuckass tell me what to think

>>130475798
Sure m8, science will find the answer for what reason we live for or what comes after death. I'm a defeatist for doubting that empirical research has boundaries. Fucking hell you fedoras are naive.

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>>130469294
>Gematria is arbitrary

he doesn't know about the fingerprints of God. everyone point and laugh.

>>130469535
this is so much heresy. that its Idol worship.

>>130470082
>There is over thirty thousand known protestant sects
The catholic church deemed Arian Christianity to be heretics, meaning Constantine is a heretic by their own logic, there's a reason Rome was sacked in 410.

all these 30k sects still read the same bible, pray to Jesus Christ, and

>>130468851
>tfw paul is an apostle who is given direction by jesus christ himself in the gnostic gospels

feels good to be extra heretical.

>>130467801
I think non-denominational is the way to go, we're one in christ anyway.

>>130468171
>christian traditions
‘These people honor Me with their lips,

but their hearts are far from Me.

7They worship Me in vain;

they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.’b

8You have disregarded the commandment of God to keep the tradition of men.”c

the traditions of men are vain, and of a falsehood

>>130475986
Protestantism doesn't line up with biblical scholarship and what we know about the church fathers and early christians

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>>130476114
Is this idol worship?

>>130471030
This is the same feeling I always had the few times I've been exposed to protestantism. Lots of "Jesus loves you lets all have prayer circles and give each other hugs while listening to Christian rock" but very little spiritual substance. The most clarifying moment for me was when a friend of mine who converted to "non-denominational" mega-church protestantism said his main reason for leaving was because his new church was more fun. It's like he completely missed the point of religion and sadly most modern protestants are that way.

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>130476315
this is. never giving you a (you) again ackmed.

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>>130476672
Stay ASSMAD histoey denies you

>>130476161
>Protestantism doesn't line up with biblical scholarship and what we know about the church fathers and early christians
Are you retarded? Because what you said is true, however it's also true of EVERY SINGLE KIND of post-Nicene Christianity. I

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>>130468203
>he doesn't know that science is a dirty jew lie

>130476795
its too bad the bible doesn't deny me.

>>130475986

I don't think I can ever fully buy into Catholic doctrine though. It is formulated by the clergy, which are still human and subject to error/bias. Not saying I'm any better of course, but I feel like its something I need to study and pray to understand for myself.

>>130475599
Ultimately though the church is a place to gather with other Christians and pray. Our relationship with God, which we carry every day, goes beyond the church on Sunday and its agendas like with the new pope.

I'm definitely looking for feedback on what I'm writing.

>>130476954
None is further from them than the proddied

>>130477072
You are spouting shit

>>130476970

I don't get it, can you explain?

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>>130477186
Just protestants BEINg protestants

While supporting Israel

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>>130477186
the bible and generally ALL theology supports geocentric astronomy. heliocentric cosmology is generally a dirty jew lie

>>130467801
that's like asking who is more real, santa or the easter bunny

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>>130477385
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>130474293
t. buttmad polack

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>>130477566
This is most real

White men get ugly asian

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>>130477072
I think that a desire to think over the doctrine for yourself instead of just blindly accepting everything is a good thing.

>>130477608
Meanwhile.....


No doubt they were contrary to Jewish expectations with regard to the Davidic Messiah (even if we make allowance for the great diversity in the Messianic expectations of the period). And Jewish expectations were based on current and widely accepted interpretations of the biblical texts understood to refer to the Messiah(s). The discrepancy between this biblically based picture of the career of the Messiah, and the actual career of Jesus, created the need for innovative interpretation of traditional Messianic proof-texts, but also innovative selection of new texts which had formerly not been taken to refer to the Messiah. In Luke’s gospel, this novelty of the Christian scriptural ‘proof’ of the Messiah’s career is most vividly brought out on the journey to Emmaus in Luke 24: the risen Christ ‘opened’ the scriptures so that the disciples could see things in them they had never seen before. [The risen Jesus] opened their minds to understand the scriptures, and said to them, ‘Thus it is written, • that the Messiah should suffer • and on the third day rise from the dead, • and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be preached in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.’ (Luke 24:45–7)

The early Christian world of 665

And no this is not Catholic answer and was in fact written by a LutheranThis

>>130477945
The Church ... has received from the apostles and their disciples this faith: (1) in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth ... (2) and in one Christ Jesus the Son of God, who became incarnate for our salvation; (3) and in the Holy Spirit, who proclaimed through the prophets the dispensations of God and the advents [of the Messiah]: • the birth from a virgin; • and the passion; • and the resurrection from the dead, and the ascension into heaven ... of the beloved Christ Jesus, our Lord, • and his [second] manifestation from heaven in the glory of the Father ... to raise up anew all flesh of the whole human race ... (Irenaeus, Against Heresies 1.10.1) As the excerpt from Irenaeus makes evident, the development of a Christological ‘proof from prophecy’ is intimately linked with the crystallization of a Christological ‘rule of truth’ or ‘rule of faith’, which some decades later was incorporated in the second article of the Old Roman creed.15 Much more is at stake here than a mere parallel development of two parts of the Christian tradition. The ‘rule of faith’ serves as the basic exegetical criterion for the development of the biblical ‘proof from prophecy’. This is probably indicated already in a famous saying by Ignatius of Antioch at around 110 ce:

Pg 666

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>>130467801

Do you even need to ask?

"Remember, when I'm gone you'll only follow the Bible, your only authority"
- Jesus what the fuck is a bible?


"There is no salvation outside the Church" - /our guy/

>>130478031
I heard some men saying, ‘if I find it not in the charters, I do not believe in the gospel.’ And when I said to them that it is in the scriptures, they answered me, ‘that is exactly the question.’ But to me the charters are Jesus Christ, the inviolable charter is his cross, and death, and resurrection, and the faith which is through him. (Ignatius, to the Philadelphians 8.2) It would seem that Ignatius’ opponents required a full proof from prophecy for every point in his gospel proclamation. When he says that to him the ‘archives’ are Jesus Christ, his cross and resurrection, this does probably not mean that for Ignatius the Christological creed replaces the scriptures, but rather that the Christological rule of faith contains the hermeneutical canon according to which the scriptures should be interpreted.

Where is sola scripture?

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>>130467801

>>130468438
They are usually ethnic based but in my area I know a few that's not and truthfully I've seen a few non Greeks at my Greek Orthodox Church and no one says shit I find it surprising a bit tho they always want Greek priests they didn't like the head priest at my church too much bc he was American born and his Greek sucked

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All religion is a joke. Look at it objectively (even though you can't, or won't, whatever, either).

>believe in ghosts
>live life by a fictional book of stories from thousands of years ago
>attend a church where anyone with authority uses it to get rich and fuck children

Go ahead and reply with your gay little fedora memes, that's the only "argument" you brain dead lunatics can ever muster.

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>>130478575
>live life by a fictional book of stories from thousands of years ago
>people didn't smile, laugh, cry, or feel virtuous, shameful, defeated, victorious thousands of years ago, people didn't steal, murder, and deal justice, wage war, have politics, and believe in right, and wrong conduct thousands of years ago and these are things invented in the past 200 years by science

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Protestant countries have the highest amount of imported shitskins.

>inb4 france, italy, spain.

France is basically atheist, Italy and Spain are just on the way to reach the cuck protestant states of the UK, Sweden and Germany.

>>130479117
Its still just fanfiction.

If anybody would write a my little pony bible it would be rediculed, but if its a kike on a stick its suddenly the son of an omnipotent being that lived in the past.

>>130468171
This; Basically all Americans should all convert to orthodoxy and we make an American Patriarch

>>130477179

Fair enough, I might be.

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>>130479530
>tfw protestant countries and muslim singapore are more developed than catholic ones
>tfw israel more developped than rome
pretty funny stuff.

>>130468475
>let's face it: Protestantism just lets Catholics act like Jews.


This. "faith alone" = I can be a greedy capitalist kike and still get into heaven.

>>130480252
>Development is more important than keeping your country homologous
I think this is the problem here.

>>130468475
To some extent, this.

>>130467801
Anyone knows a good book that sums up orthodox christianity well?

Roma was never taken by the Arabs. All the patriarchies of orthodoxy were conquered by Arabs. The Church is the Vatican.
Catholicism has shaped the world you live in and without it everything would suck.
Who retook land taken by Arabs? The Orthodox?
No it was the Catholic Spanish who kicked the Moors out of Iberia.

>>130468475
I can rape and murder 1000 times a day and as long as I say the magic words I've done no wrong.

>>130481352
Too bad divine inspired laws exist and you will be burned at the stake for testing the Lord.
You fucking protestant scum.

Daily reminder. Catholics were the only ones to wage a crusade against the Muslim scum. While fedoras were busy jerking off to their ankle magazines and telling everyone being gay is ok, we were purging the Muslims

>>130468203

>big bang theory was created by a catholic

k

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>>130480532
norway, denmark, netherlands, ireland, iceland, newzealand, are all protestant countries that aren't taking refugees in massive numbers.

the argument was fallacious in the first place.

all the porn in germany is owned by the vatican, and Rome's catholic church generally invented Islam anyway. so they are getting hit the hardest by roman jewish conspiracy.

italy, spain, portugal are muslim rape baby countires in the first place. and second of all most the countries in the EU are taking in massive amounts of refugees.

>>130468475
>the word of God shouldn't be the foundation of understanding God

????
CATHOLICS EVERYONE

>>130468203
>laws are real until we go super small and then we really dont understand anything but we understand the entire universe because we dont understand everything
science yeah.
Im also glad you admitted science is a religion and not a way to understand the the physical world. Spirituality is beyond scientific reasoning.

>>130482461
>italy
>muslim rape babies
>muslims never even sieged roma
>all of greece taken over
also
>the word of God shouldn't be the foundation of understanding God
You fucking protestants have translated the bible about a thousand times what the fuck do you even know about the word of god honestly?

>>130467801
Both are good and allies. Quit trying to divide us

SAGE

sage all divide threads.

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>>130482592
That's the laziest strawman I've ever seen.

>>130467801
Neither.

>>130475599
circumcision isn't christian

have you read Galatians

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>>130482924
>You fucking protestants have translated the bible about a thousand times what the fuck do you even know about the word of god honestly?

well, i know how to demonstrate that it has supernatural origins outside of space-time. and I know the roman catholic church has a nasty habbit of burning bibles, and setting people on fire for reading the bible because it was "heresy" to do so for hundreds of years.

and I'm not protestant. I'm just a simple christian scholar. Martin Luther also attacked personal study of the bible so I don't really agree with, nor care for him, and theres about a dozen reformers that came before Martin Luther in the first place, Jan Hus, JOhn Wycliffe, Jerome of Prague Erasmus of Rotterdam and his textus receptus.

most bibles are translate directly from hebrew and greek, the same hebrew and greek that has endless mathematical properties in its gematria to it.

you have a really fallacious argument bro.

>>130467801
why sort shits from turds?

>>130467801
Catholicism is literally pagan heresy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assumption_of_Mary

They literally worship Mary, and have made her co-redeemer with Jesus. They even say she died, was resurected on the 3rd day, and ascended bodily into heaven.

They are going to burn in Hell.

Check out the heresy in this link.

>>130483477
its not a strawman its actually an observable reality that science proved. Laws of gravity and motion work differently on small scale.

>>130483981
>im a christian scholar but I think italy was taken over completely by muslims
nice job being completely retarded your scholarly outlook on this world is wrong factually.
>simple
yep simple minded

>>130483981
Also yeah we stopped burning those bibles and the people who wrote them and then Europe went to war for thirty years. Nice job scholars. The Spanish who were still burning people managed to make a huge empire and convert millions to Catholicism that are still around today.

>>130480532
>implying the Catholic parts of Europe aren`t also full of sandniggers

>>130467801
They're both lies just like Islam. All forms of Abrahamism are evil. Come home to the gods of your ancestors. Jupiter and Odin are waiting.

>>130485019
lol

>>130467801
Catholicism, Orthodoxy, or (maybe) high church protestantism. Everything else is shit tier. Catholicism and Orthodoxy are the originals so they're probably the best. They also have the best churches and don't deny evolution. If a majority of your church believes the earth is only 5000 years old, it's shit tier

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>>130467801
Orthodox Christianity

>>130467801
Apatheism

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>>130467801
If Protestantism is based entirely on Scripture, then why is Protestantism such a divided, sectarian mess?
pro tip: because you can make Scripture say anything you want it to say with proof-texts

>>130486237
>The Latin Catholic Feast of the Assumption is celebrated on 15 August, and the Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholics celebrate the Dormition of the Theotokos (the falling asleep of the Mother of God) on the same date, preceded by a 14-day fast period. Eastern Christians believe that Mary died a natural death, that her soul was received by Christ upon death, and that her body was resurrected on the third day after her death and that she was taken up into heaven bodily in anticipation of the general resurrection. Her tomb was found empty on the third day.

>"... Orthodox tradition is clear and unwavering in regard to the central point [of the Dormition]: the Holy Virgin underwent, as did her Son, a physical death, but her body – like His – was afterwards raised from the dead and she was taken up into heaven, in her body as well as in her soul. She has passed beyond death and judgement, and lives wholly in the Age to Come. The Resurrection of the Body ... has in her case been anticipated and is already an accomplished fact. That does not mean, however, that she is dissociated from the rest of humanity and placed in a wholly different category: for we all hope to share one day in that same glory of the Resurrection of the Body which she enjoys even now."[33]

>Many Catholics also believe that Mary first died before being assumed, but they believe that she was miraculously resurrected before being assumed. Others believe she was assumed bodily into Heaven without first dying.[34][35] As mentioned earlier, this aspect of the Assumption is not authoritatively described in Catholic theology, and either understanding may be legitimately held by Catholics, with Eastern Catholics observing the Feast as the Dormition.

Burn in Hell, pagan scum.

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>>130476970
>science is a jew lie
>religion based on a kike from sandnigger land isn't
nice try

>>130467801
Theologically, Protestants. Well, those of us who haven't followed the new age communist fag rights bullshit. On everything else, Catholicism. Honestly I'm struggling to find reasons why I don't just convert to the Roman church at this point.

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>>130484690
i didn't say itally was taken over my muslims. i said italy was full of rape babies, as they were hit with a lot of muslim slavers along the Mediterranean coast. north africa was completely muslim and went north for slaves a lot.

>>130484933
> we stopped burning those bibles and the people who wrote them and then Europe went to war for thirty years.

the fact you had to even stop doing that is astounding.

pretty much every time there was a uprising of cities and nations who read the bible the catholic church literally waged war on them.

ever heard of the Waldensians? they were a "protestant" movement that started in the 1100s. they were systematically exterminated for reading the bible, and praying to jesus christ.

also italy was full of arian christian states after they were sacked by Visigoth Christians in 410, led by the christian king Alaric.

>>130471030
The church needs people like you and me
The degeneracy is strong in this country and the church grows weaker

Be the change you want to see in the church

>>130477385
>Old Testament
>Revelations, an account of somebody's vision of hellfire falling from the sky

>ALL theology supports geocentric astronomy
Pathetic troll

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>>130487558
Rome was degenerate, homosexual, full of transgenders/pedophiles, and was taken over by the Goths, who while accused of being "pagans" were baptized christians.

you also seem to ignore the fact that the eastern leg of rome, the byzantine empire, stood for literally a THOUSAND years longer than the latin western leg of rome did.

Rome fell in 410, Constantinople fell in 1453, it was also the capitol of rome since Constantine moved it there.

is there a reason why i shouldn't think you're an idiot?

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>>130488117
>doubting the word of god when it tells you the earth is fixed to be immovable, and covered by a glass firmament.

pathetic catholic.

and yes, all theology more or less indicates the same shape of the earth

>>130467801
Protestantism has pretty much fallen to shit. But Catholicism is the false prophet.

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All religions that teach White men to worship a fucking kike rabbi named "Yeshua" are complete trash.

>>130467801
One came directly from Jesus and his followers.
The others stem from a retarded German.

>>130488238
I don't care for Rome, I never said I did, the picture is just one fine example for all niggers on /pol/ worshipping a dead kike, you can continue LARPing as much as you want and pretend you're a crusader while the west continuously gets fucked in the ass by mudslimes.

Do yourself favor and crucify yourself, shitstain

>>130484242
you're a dipshit

>>130467801
Orthodoxy
grew up bouncing from church to church
parents landed on Catholicism
am baptised and confirmed Catholic
Never felt the power anywhere else I felt at the Orthodox church on Easter

>>130489297
a true man of God never succumb to Jewish tricks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAXQI8JALfk

>>130476114
Non-denoms might be the worst. If you have a set of beliefs, you have a denomination. Saying "I'm choosing not to label it" doesn't change that fact. Claiming "I don't care what your beliefs are or even if they are incompatible with mine" doesn't change that fact either.

In a non-denom "church," every man is a denomination and each marches to the beat of his own personal religion. That there is overlap of belief between members of the congregation does not negate this, and just how much overlap there happens to be depends on things ranging from how well read each happens to be to how gassy and tired they are that particular day.

It's the most intellectually lazy a christian (small "c") can get.

>>130489884
That's because you've never been to a traditional Latin mass. You should probably fix that.

I also recommend you read "An Open Letter to Confused Catholics," by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.

https://archive.org/details/AnOpenLetterToConfusedCatholics

>>130468203
Christianity, if you read and meditate on what Christ actually said, and are bold enough to read the apocryphal gospels, does a far better job at explaining existence than science. Almost everyone can agree that we have been lied to about virtually everything for a debated period of time. Are you really so naive as to think that everything you're taught in school and see on TV is reality?

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>>130489616
the picture you posted was a lie in poor character. you can not care for rome, i don't care for it either, when the west came from christian germanics, the goths who were Arian Christians (look up Alaric), and the christian byzantine empire.

Islam is an invention of the roman catholic church in the first place.

> you can continue LARPing as much as you want and pretend you're a crusader while the west continuously gets fucked in the ass by mudslimes.
and what exactly are you doing? LARPing as a pagan/atheist while the west gets screwed by Islam?

there is a monotheistic creator of the soul, whether or not you believe in that you're a soul inhabiting flesh is on you. here's the religion redpill

>>130490409
>If you have a set of beliefs, you have a denomination.
Not necessarily true. What is the denomination, then, of an eclectic who uses their knowledge of the original languages and the history of Christianity to inform their conscience and prayer to determine which of the various conflicting beliefs on offer is correct, rather than ordering a pre-packaged ensemble?
>thinks that Church politics define God and righteousness
Nah.

>>130468475
this
it's all made up, they don't even have a leader

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>>130489616
>OY VEY can't have the traditional values that Christianity promotes
>lets strawman everything and shill for this "nice doctrine" and pretend that the bibles says to allow other people to fuck your wife
>That will change the goys mind to stop following that pesky fellow Jesus!

https://pastebin.com/2rE83qNV

I've seen your flag sperging out in every christian related thread, maybe you should take a break before you continue spouting the most retarded and easiest refutable arguments ever.

let me think...
the one created by jews and cryers to destroy the unity of Europa (Protestantism) or the one who was already preserving our traditions, brotherhood and unity (Catholicism)?

>>130490840
>what do you call a blah blah blah
A prideful heretic.

>>130474008
>Calvin
this guy is a retard

>>130467801
Protestant because it's cheaper.

>>130467801
Depends on whether you prefer young boys or women.

>>130469708
Christ said the gates of Hell would not prevail over His Church. If the Pope is a subverter and the Vatican is immersed in literal Satan worship and child sex trafficking, I would say the gates of Hell have prevailed against it and thus it is not Christ's Church.
Matthew 7:15-20
15“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.16You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?17Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, norcana bad tree bear good fruit.19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.20Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

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>>130490409
>Claiming "I don't care what your beliefs are or even if they are incompatible with mine" doesn't change that fact either.

its more like I don't care what your beliefs are, because you don't draw your beliefs from the bible.

and I'm non-denominational because I don't look for pharisee aproval to study the gnostic gospels, hindu scriptures, asiatic mythos, and greek/nordic epics.

>In a non-denom "church," every man is a denomination and each marches to the beat of his own personal religion
nice job, you just demonized a personal relationship with the creator of your soul.

you're an intellectually, and spiritually dishonest person. catholics are not christian otherwise they would just call themselves christians, I put my faith in Christ and the Cross, not a church
>>130490733
>and are bold enough to read the apocryphal gospels,
you should try reading the gnostic gospels.
>. Almost everyone can agree that we have been lied to about virtually everything for a debated period of time
especially if you take this stance.

>>130491561
>thinks the USA is good fruit, not thistle
Nah.

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>>130488827
>he believes 4000 year old scripture written by people with no flight

HAHAHAHAHAH

>>130491615
>nice job, you just demonized a personal relationship with the creator of your soul.
If I understand you correctly, another way of saying what you just said is that >>130490409 just blasphemed the Holy Spirit?

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>>130491337
Protestantism started when Martin Luther rejected the jewy scams that the catholic church was selling to peasants and deemed all rituals pointless, they even threatened his life. You don't need a giant hand crafted cathedral to worship god. I don't hate Catholics and in regards to history and culture it surpasses Protestantism by a mile but the pope is still a cuck.

>>130491615
>its more like I don't care what your beliefs are, because you don't draw your beliefs from the bible.
No you.

>and I'm non-denominational because [insert non-sequiturs and straw men]
k

>nice job, you just demonized a personal relationship with the creator of your soul.
No I stated the simple and unassailable truth about non-denom 'church.'

>you're an [insert self-projection rant]
k

>>130476082
>after death
Nothing. Religion lies about that because human brains don't like imagining the world without themselves in it.
>what we live for
Evolutionarily speaking, to propagate genes. Everything else is extra.

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Which is better syphilis or gonorrhea?

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Went to northern ireland in 2014 for the 12th of july which is there national day.
My mate and all his family were protestant.
To celebrate they build big fuck off bon fires, this is one that was in antrim and was built by fucking kids.
Police can't do anything to take this shit down because it would be riots if they tried.
Just look at the shit they wrote was kek.

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>>130491838
man. you hit the nail right on the head.
>>130491833
>ancients stated magical sky wizards with flying machines gave them writing, agriculture, architecture, mathematics, and other things that go into civlziation
>4000 year old scripture says there are cities that literally fly
>anthropologists say these things were invented by cavemen progressing to become more advanced
>4000 year old scripture says people used to live to be 1000 years old
>anthropologists say mankind used to live to an avg life expectancy to be about 30

i wonder who I'm going to believe, the source material of things written by the time, or jew scientists who want to hide the existence of the soul, and god.

>>130492296
truly, truly pathetic.
>political organization that spent hundreds of years killing people for reading the bible, and burning old and new testaments have no reason to lie to me.
>No I stated the simple and unassailable truth about non-denom 'church.'
>trying to call non-denominational a church when not belonging to a church is the criteria for being one. wewww lad


>>130492300
nobody fails to survive death.
its sad you fell for the jew meme that there is no soul.

>>130467801

both are retarded and having to filter (((God))) through three different levels of humans to get to you is proof that it's bullshit made up by humans to control other humans

>>130492562
why is christian science heretic tier?

>>130493090
If a religion represents reality there should be some form of evidence for it that will be accepted by non believers. There is no soul, there are only bioelectric patterns in your brain. Behavior and personality changes can be produced with drugs, or an application of magnetic fields. Show me something outside of Christian theology that supports your claims.

>>130493090
>more non-squiturs and straw men
k

>not belonging to a church is the criteria for being one
Better go set your fellow heretics straight.

https://www.google.com/search?q=local+non-denominational+churches

>>130469540
Elaborate

Baptist

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>>130493198
i think the protestant one is backwards, scripture comes directly from God, and Christ, and is the direct path to God.

>>130493484
>If a religion represents reality there should be some form of evidence for it that will be accepted by non believers.
well, thats exactly what it does.
yes, the burden of proof is on me, but its on you to understand the evidence

simple question, what constitutes as proof to you that the spiritual realms exist unseen from the material realm?

what constitutes that not only the bible, but several sources of scriptures have an origin outside of space-time? this is a claim I can back. I want to see if you can understand the concept.

> There is no soul,
so are the eastern monks who claim to access past reincarnated lives lying?

>Show me something outside of Christian theology that supports your claims.
Gnostic Christian theology supports reincarnation, and even the bible can be used to support reincarnation. i find this to be one of the most tragic pieces of misinformation of Christian Theosis

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1497846401292.jpg

here's a anecdote you can take at face value.
Epilepsy is a big deal in the world, there is no medication that can actively deal with the condition, even pot, when the medication stops, the seizures return.

there are countless people who have claimed to cure, and i mean cure, not treated epilepsy with spiritual healing, and it is literally caused by a negative spiritual entity.

>>130468104
So does I stand for 1 or 10?

>>130477385
Look the earth can still be the center of the universe, immovable as it says in scriptures. God could have held the sun still for Joshua. Because the math that's used for all the models of astronomy can be used if the earth was not moving at all. There's simply no way to prove that everything isn't just moving around the earth. The big lie in astronomy is that the heliocentric model is indisputable fact.

>>130493090
>blaspheming the Holy Spirit
Ooh, >>130490409 has just committed the one and only unforgiveable sin. How do you feel about that, idolater?

>>130494454
If it doesn't exist in the material realm it doesn't exist. Even computer programs have some tangible form as a bit pattern in storage or memory. Souls do not. The idea of a soul does exist, but that's not the same thing as a soul itself.

You have provided no evidence for anything originating outside of spacetime and most likely will not.

The monks are either lying or LARPing. I once went a little crazy and hallucinated long conversations with Cthulhu, but that doesn't make Lovecraft's stories real.

Epilepsy being incurable with medicine at this time simply means we haven't found the right course of treatment yet. Religious experience is just another state of brain chemistry and neuroelectric patterns, so there's no reason to assume the effect can't be induced artificially.

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>>130493647
well then, i actually didn't know these existed.

>checks one
>uses bible
>promotes personal relationship with god

you got some real non-arguments going while trying to call me a strawman

>ignoring who the Waldensians were

take a look at this catholic poster>>130484933
>Also yeah we stopped burning those bibles and the people who wrote them and then Europe went to war for thirty years. Nice job scholars. The Spanish who were still burning people managed to make a huge empire and convert millions to Catholicism that are still around today.


and my response to him

the fact you had to even stop doing that is astounding.

pretty much every time there was a uprising of cities and nations who read the bible the catholic church literally waged war on them.

ever heard of the Waldensians? they were a "protestant" movement that started in the 1100s. they were systematically exterminated for reading the bible, and praying to jesus christ.

this catholic poster basically stated that burning the bibles, and the people who would read the bible was one of the things preventing the 30 years war and the reformation.

>>130494717
thanks bro, came to that conclusion a while ago, glad to see more people with a brain on their head.

>>130482461
>Ireland is a protestant country
????????

>>130488827
Where does it say that's it's a solid object?

Gen 1:20 it says the birds fly IN the firmament.

How can they fly in the firmament if it's a solid object?

>>130467801
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6TkdO-RiTk

>>130467801
Non-Denominational Christianity:
God --> Jesus --> Scripture/research

>>130495262
>If it doesn't exist in the material realm it doesn't exist.

jew meme

> Souls do not. The idea of a soul does exist, but that's not the same thing as a soul itself.
jew meme

>You have provided no evidence for anything originating outside of spacetime and most likely will not.
i know i didnt. this has little to do with my question.

> what constitutes as proof to you that the spiritual realms exist unseen from the material realm?
>what constitutes that not only the bible, but several sources of scriptures have an origin outside of space-time?
I asked you if you can think of something that would be an acceptable proof?

>The monks are either lying or LARPing.
you can put this to the test. the expiritment is reprodicible, and guides to access your past reincarnated lives can be found all over the place. to put it simply its basically a succession of breathing exercises.

> I once went a little crazy and hallucinated long conversations with Cthulhu, but that doesn't make Lovecraft's stories real.

at this point I wouldn't take this stance.

>Epilepsy being incurable with medicine at this time simply means we haven't found the right course of treatment yet.
for thousands of years, Epilepsy has been recorded as to being a spiritual disease.

> Religious experience is just another state of brain chemistry and neuroelectric patterns, so there's no reason to assume the effect can't be induced artificially.

we aren't chemcical beings, we don't live in a chemical universe, we live in an electro-magnetic unvierse, we're not chemcical beings. atoms are made of protons, neutrons and electrons arranged in a pattern. at a sub-atomic letter there is no difference between carbon, and gold, just the number of protons, neutrons, and electrons it has.

every chemical reaction is a sub-atomic reaction, and even then protons and neutrons are made out of quarks. 2 up quarks and 1 down quark make a proton, and 2 down quarks and 1 up quark makes a neutron.

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>>130467801
Neither really

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>>130495535
Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?

because the firmament is a dome,

kind of like saying how fish swim in a bucket, lake, or in the ocean.

>>130467801

Your picture is retarded jesus uses scripture so scripture should be under god above jesus

>>130496331
So basically you spout "Jew meme" at anything that contradicts your claims, without any effort to disprove them. I read that screencap you linked earlier and it provides no evidence at all. It's a thought experiment and a good story, but that doesn't make it real.

Oh, and I've read Feynman. I know full well that the world is QE underneath, but classical disciplines like chemistry and biology still rule at larger size scales. It's a useful abstraction.

>not ruling out HPL as divinely inspired
kek, are you me as a freshman in college? I bet watching Evangelion would be traumatic for you.

Acceptable proof to me would be something reproducible that can't be explained by purely physical means. X starting conditions plus Y process yields Z result because of the existence of Q metaphysical effect. Keep in mind that I've practiced meditation, qi gong, various Asian martial arts, and experienced Native American traditions like vision quests, sweat lodges, and seeking animal spirit guides without finding anything that can't be explained with material interactions.

>>130467801
>better
This is like asking which sex is "better". When of course it's the man.

>>130496497
>There are several reasons why one must be careful in gleaning the meaning of this verse. First, this one verse is within a textual unit (Job 37:14–18), which poetically uses weather phenomena to illustrate the overwhelming power and wisdom of God—so teaching cosmology is not the point. Second, these are the words of Elihu, not God. While the Bible is inspired, not everything recorded in the Bible is necessarily true. This is a truthful record of what Elihu said, because God saw fit to preserve Elihu’s speech, but that does not mean that Elihu was speaking infallibly. Therefore, if Elihu’s words contain cosmological information, it merely reflects his understanding and not necessarily reality. Third, the book of Job contains language and idioms that are unique to it, and many are difficult to translate. Also, Job, being ancient Hebrew poetry, evidences many examples of imagery and phenomenological language. Job 37:18 contains a particularly challenging case of imagery.

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>>130497308
I stated jew meme because you stated

>If it doesn't exist in the material realm it doesn't exist.

because thats a fallacious argument

> Souls do not. The idea of a soul does exist, but that's not the same thing as a soul itself.
i stated jew meme because it is a facetious argument

>kek, are you me as a freshman in college? I bet watching Evangelion would be traumatic for you.
no

>. I know full well that the world is QE underneath, but classical disciplines like chemistry and biology still rule at larger size scales.

they actually ruled by the sub-atomic patterns. they have ultimate dominion because they are the actual components to the universe

>ceptable proof to me would be something reproducible that can't be explained by purely physical means.

ok, hebrew and greeks don't have numbers, they have a number value assigned to their letters. if you take genesis 1:1, take the take the number of the words multiply by the product of the words, divide by the number of the letters, multiplied by the product of the letters, you get Pi to 4 places, take the same equation to John 1:1, you get Euler's number. 2 irrational numbers from the same equation, of 2 different chapters in the bible.

Isiah 19:19-22 takes about a pillar to god on the border of egypt. giza is a word for border, and has a height of 5449 inches. if you add the value of the letters of these 3 verses you get a total of 5449.

Ivan Panin (PHD in mathematics from Harvard) wrote about 43,000 pages on the mathematical patterns of the hebrew and greek texts, and argued that every single writer had to be the greatest mathematician in the world, or there was a divine origin.

the bible generally in itself writes history before it happened.
Cyrus the Great estsablished the persian empire. isaiah 44-45 details a letter that addresses Cyrus by name, 150 years before he was born. the book of daniel also pretty much predicts the empires conquest, falls and regions several hundred years in advance.

Christian+pagan syncretism.

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>>130498075
this has little to do wtih the fact that the heliocentric model is a dirty jew lie, and the holy spirit is an overseer to every single letter, even the "spelling mistakes" have mathematical properties

>>130497308
continued.

Daniel 8 basically covered babylon, persia, greece, and rome several hundred years in advance.

21 The shaggy goat is the king of Greece, and the large horn between its eyes is the first king. 22 The four horns that replaced the one that was broken off represent four kingdoms that will emerge from his nation but will not have the same power.

it predicts Alexander the great, how he would break the Persian empire, and how his empire would split into 4 pieces. it covers cyrus's empire, his starting point, and which regions he would spread. its even recorded that Alexander the great who was going to lay siege to Jerusalem received a discourse on Daniel 8.

there are ways to exist outside of space-time.

> Keep in mind that I've practiced meditation, qi gong, various Asian martial arts, and experienced Native American traditions like vision quests, sweat lodges, and seeking animal spirit guides without finding anything that can't be explained with material interactions.
I'm not entirely convinced this is true in any way shape or form.

>>130499059
>this has little to do wtih the fact that the heliocentric model is a dirty jew lie,

How does it not , i just explained that there is nothing about a flat world in the bible , if job really happened then jobs friends are not omniscience and there would be error in what they say , if job did not happen then its just a story from god alone and all is true because god is omniscience . I am going with job did happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtU_mdL2vBM

>>130499059
prohpecy in itself is the writing of history before it happens, and pretty much all the prophecies of the bible have been, or are on the road to being fulfilled.

the fact it writes history before it happens is a pretty big indicator that it comes from outside space-time, and that the author has direct access to past, present and future living in a higher dimension.

string theory in itself validates the idea of 7 heavens, our 1st heaven is made of 4 dimensions, length height width and time. and then there are 6 heavens, or 6 unseen dimensions. string theory was theorized in the 12th century by this guy Nicodemus by reading the old testament. the world would look pretty different if string theory has been pursued for 8 centuries than for 80 years

>>130467801
They aren't that different. Both treat normal human things as infallible, which is the same as idolatry. Example, the bible, which was written by people and then assembled by Rome several centuries after any of the events the bible contains. The chirches then invent fan fiction over the top of the bible, to try to extend it into subjects that it wasn't written to cover. An example, the rapture, which is a concept roughly 100 years old that was created to sell bibles. Side note, the Antichrist was Nero, and he is long since dead now.

ff

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>>130499548
the bible isn't the only source that describes a solid dome above the earth separating it from the waters of heaven.

> just explained that there is nothing about a flat world in the bible

well, i mean, you can't prove curvature even if you tried. a point of convergence is not a point of curvature, and objects that "disappear" under it can always be brought into full view.

and its a notion thats backed by all theology, that the earth is a flat disc covered by a dome.

you live in a hoax. the earth is stationary.

>>130467801
They are both shit.

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>>130498406
You can abuse dimensional analysis and gematria to say anything without it meaning anything divine. Pic related. Panin's work means nothing. It seemed significant because it was the first serious look for patterns in a long string of pseudo random values. I've seen complete sentences in valid Russian appear in a computer's entropy pool, for example. Unlikely does not mean divine.


>>130499059
>literally saying "nuh uh" when presented with contradictory experience
>shitting on heliocentric models of the solar system
You're really not making a good case here, but I'll keep engaging on the off chance you do have something real.

Daniel 8 likewise is not proof. Anyone could have predicted the Greeks would eventually finish the Persians off by the time the Greek empire extended to Jerusalem, since Greece and Persia were ancient enemies even then. Predicting a split into four shows geopolitical insight, not necessarily divine guidance. That same insight is why Alexander would want to consult it.

Again, show me impossible, not unlikely.

>>130499612
>bad pop-sci understanding of string theory
Yeaaaah, we're probably done here.

>>130491484
I regret to inform you that you are not one of the elect.

>>130467801
There is one true church. Protestantism disagrees. Ergo Protestantism is wrong.

>>130500416
>the bible isn't the only source that describes a solid dome above the earth separating it from the waters of heaven.

yes because thats how the people at that time thought the world looked like , they could not imagine a ball earth with gravity , flat was far more logicial.


>you live in a hoax. the earth is stationary.

and you belief in this eric dubai fellow , i dont want to make this a flat earth debate because they get banned all the time , but once upon a time i also believed in a flat earth because it fitted me better , just snap out of it the world is round there is no major conspiracy keeping you from finding the truth , look at all the devout christian scientist like newton , they must be in it also

>>130500833
Why does the """"""true"""""" church worship idols and call men p*pe?

>>130501236
Maybe it's the Orthodox Church, then.

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If Catholicism is so great, how do you explain pic related?

>>130470082
>The Catholic Church remains throughout all heresies, even the current one with a heretical pope.

this

>I'm best goy
>No, I am the best goy
ITT: Fairy tales and Jew worship

>>130501944
It kills me that the mythology is so obviously false because there are some good rules to live by in the bible, "muh chosen" not included.

>>130501709

>When your doctrine changed that much you have become protestant your self

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>>130500416
i believe in the flat earth but if you dont also believe in the lord god then YOURE A SHILL !

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>>130467801
Don't fall for infighting jew

>>130468019
Wut

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>>130467801

So many petty squabbles in this thread.

Any and all who call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and confess that he is the son of God, risen on the third day for the remission of the sins of man, all who obey his righteous word will be saved.

Denomination and Creed mean nothing. The word is our faith, our rock, and our salvation. Do not allow the god of the Jews to divide the church, but walk in harmony and admonish each other in loving kindness and truth.

"I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, urge you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace."
Ephesians 4:1-3

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>>130500596
>Anyone could have predicted the Greeks would eventually finish the Persians off by the time the Greek empire extended to Jerusalem

you missed the point. Daniel 8 lists the Persian empire, and its fall to the greek empire before Cyrus started his career, while babylon was still head hancho.

In my vision I saw myself in the citadel of Susa in the province of Elam; in the vision I was beside the Ulai Canal. 3 I looked up, and there before me was a ram with two horns, standing beside the canal, and the horns were long. One of the horns was longer than the other but grew up later. 4 I watched the ram as it charged toward the west and the north and the south. No animal could stand against it, and none could rescue from its power. It did as it pleased and became great.

>Predicting a split into four shows geopolitical insight, not necessarily divine guidance.

to predict that a persian empire would rise and fall, and that the greek empire would split into 4 pieces and how the roman empire would come to be is a little more than geopolitical insight

it deals with the complete history of the region several hundred years in advance Daniel was written during the babylonian captivity in 600bc, meaning this was predicted 50 years before persia's rise, and 300 years before alexanders birth. this would be like me stating in 1776 that a jewish state is going to be conceived after 2 world wars involving Germany, France, UK, Russia, and America. there's also the fact that Isaiah (written 8thcentruy BC) 44-45 NAMES Cyrus 150 years before he was born, and highlights his career in advance, again, this would be like me in 1650AD, writing a letter to Abraham Lincoln, and telling him how he'll make the greenback, free the slaves, and keep the southern half of america from succeeding to the union. is that still geopolitical insight?


>yes, the burden of proof is on me, but its on you to understand the evidence
.

>>130468034
your not a paisleyite are you

>>130500596
You can abuse dimensional analysis and gematria to say anything without it meaning anything divine. Pic related.
this is really a reddit-tier argument.


>It seemed significant because it was the first serious look for patterns in a long string of pseudo random values
well they weren't random, the pattern is called "the heptatic structure" and it implies a deliberate design, and authenticates a scripture as Gods word, all these properties fall apart when you remove one letter, which is why there are "spelling errors" in the old testament most commonly found with the letter he.

>I've seen complete sentences in valid Russian appear in a computer's entropy pool, for example. Unlikely does not mean divine.

you have to know Panin's work to disprove it. you have to know something to disprove it in general. facetious in general.

>You can abuse dimensional analysis and gematria to say anything without it meaning anything divine.

ok man, with english gematria i want you to write 2 sentences, and use the same formula around the value of the letters/words, and the number of how many words and letters there are to make Pi, and Eulers number (which is the entire basis of logarithms) do you think you can do that? how long do you think it would take you? do you get the impression that it would be very hard?


>bad pop-sci understanding of string theory
Yeaaaah, we're probably done here.

>not understanding you can tap directly into the 5th dimension, and that your body/soul exists in a 10 dimensional universe, and not a 4 dimensional one

yeah, we probably are /r/atheism is that way.
>>130501086
bruh, I can use Einstein to prove the earth is stationary.

>>130503316
You're completely full of shit. The record of Cyrus in the Torah (and the old Testament) was history, not prophecy. Any references to Cyrus "before" he happened were inserted after the fact, like a modern WWI movie making ominous Hitler references when Germany surrenders.

>>130500596

"Unlikely" is more likely to mean divine when you're looking at bronze-age clerics as authors, instead of machines that can generate billions of figures in an instant. That's not particularly comparable. That said, if you look for a pattern long enough, you will find one: it's much likelier that this pattern was constructed after the fact than that the initial authors intended it.

Also, don't argue with biblical literalists, it's pointless

>>130503316
You are one of those sacrilegious, blasphemous liberals who think the Bible is a tiny pamphlet containing nothing more than the verse John 3:16. According to you what you do wrong doesn't make one iota of difference – as long as you say, "I accept Jesus," you're going to Heaven. Can you believe that? That once you say, "I accept Jesus," you can murder, rape, rob, plunger, pillage, blow up churches and molest babies, and you're still going to Heaven as though nothing happened, just cause you uttered the magic words?

True Christians know that the Bible, Old and New Testaments combined, promises Hell for countless sinners. And when you review the Bible in context, Through the apostle, Paul, Jesus told us the majority of so-called Christians cannot enter Heaven because of their sins (and if you don't go to Heaven, the only place left is Hell). "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)." I don't know where the liberal cultists get off suggesting otherwise. I haven't read any verse saying John trumps Paul.

God said not only that we are all born in sin, but that we are conceived in sin as well (Genesis 5:3; Job 15:14; 25:4; Psalms 51:5). In light of that sin, we have no hope of reaching Heaven unless and until we accept Jesus. Unfortunately, many never have that opportunity. What a shame that all of these individuals must spend forever in flames.

>>130467801
Can't we just hate islam together?

>>130504882
i feel like you're talking to the wrong person, I'm clearly defending the supernatural origins of space-time.

Protestantism is more american. its a little more nuanced for our european friends, depending on what country they're from.

>>130467801
Most "mainline" Protestants _are_ Catholic, so maybe you should reword your quesion, O.P.

All Protestant means is "in the Western Church, but not under the pope." Catholic means credal, usally, I mean it's right there in the each creed...

>>130504882

The Orthodox teach that all dead souls go to God - it is only a question of one's similarity to the divine. If you are not willing to accept God's presence, it will be painful; if you are, it will be joyous.

Acceptance of Jesus, emulation of his teachings, and the prayers and rituals of the Church are by far the best way to achieve this status, but Heaven is not closed to anyone by direct virtue of their birth - it is still possible to discern and achieve virtue, and many non-Christian philosophies have found varying degrees of truth (although they often have their own unfortunate flaws, since they were not inspired by true divinity). And because Hell is not a place but rather the lower end of a gradient of individual petulance, it is not nearly so black-and-white as that. Many Christians will not be so blessed either; the writings of the Church Fathers make it clear how difficult it really is to follow the Word of God with all one's soul.

Rejecting God's message for the sake of those who came before, of whom the virtuous were reunited with God after the ascension of Christus Victor from Hades, is spiteful and childish.

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>>130504172
>You're completely full of shit. The record of Cyrus in the Torah (and the old Testament) was history, not prophecy.

well, I'm pretty much not full of shit, Isaiah was written 8th century BC, and was prophecy, history written before it happened.

> Any references to Cyrus "before" he happened were inserted after the fact,

this is you denying cold hard fact that the bible was written outside of space-time.

>Cyrus in the Torah
bruh, the Torah is the 5 books of Moses or the first 5 books of the old testament in general, Cyrus wasn't in it. you're looking pretty ignorant bro.

>yes, the burden of proof is on me, but its on you to understand the evidence

>like a modern WWI movie making ominous Hitler references when Germany surrenders.
/r/atheism is that way.

>>130492072
>>130492562
Maze analogy and "interesting heather tier", lol
What's unification church?

>>130493878
Paul had no connection to Jesus whatsoever. He literally started writing stuff because he saw Jesus in a dream as opposed to the apostles/gospel writers who actually met and/or travelled with him. That's all. He also preaches a christianity that is far harsher, exclusive and hierarchical than Christ himself did. Somehow his teachings, which he admits to pulling out of his ass, are considered gospel. He's just shitty fanfiction.

99% of nonsensical or incongruent shit in the New Testament is because of Paul.

>>130504172
also theres some hindu scriptures that predict mohammad, and jesus christ by name, and alsi highlights their careers how christ is born of a virgin and the son of god, and mohammad is generally a piece of shit. arguably written in the 8th century bc as well, or 5000 years ago if you take the hindus at their word.

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>>130506188

>Saw Jesus in a dream

You can't even cite basic literary elements of the new testament correctly. Your post is garbage.

>>130505270
It's 16th century all over again.

>>130506560
If my post was garbage my name would be Paul and it'd have invaded the NT.

Matthew and John are all that matter. Paul is to be ignored. Luke too because he's nothing but Paul's cocksucker.

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>>130506800

>Doesn't understand the impact of Paul's conversion and immense contribution to the early church
>condemns the Apostle of Grace accepted by the disciples, including Peter

You don't even know how Saul was converted. You think any serious theologian wouldn't laugh in your face for being such a pretentious cunt? Your non-argument garbage post correlates with your ignorance of Christianity.

Get back to me once you actually READ the Bible. Then you can make informed arguments.

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>>130506800
man, you're all kinds of dumb.

get yourself some heresy before its too late

>>130507211
Sure, pal. I'm sure there's a perfectly viable explanation for why the hateful, corrupt writings of some random guy who only claimed to have a vision and whose teachings do not align with those of Jesus should dominate the NT.

Paulfags not even once. I'll stick to Matthew and John, thank you very much.

>>130504882
Paul was effeminate as fuck. Lol. Paul went to Hell.

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>>130507658

>Hateful

I'm guessing you think this is hate speech too, nerd?

"Then the king said to the attendants, 'Bind him hand and foot and cast him into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.' For many are called, but few are chosen."
Matthew 22:13-14

Paul was hand-selected by Christ to be redeemed from his evil works. He is not perfect, but if Peter and John trusted Paul, along with the early church and immortalized by Christ himself alongside his gospels in the bible, then you should too.

>>130467801
Protestantism.

Look at Protestant countries, what they achieved in the past: England, Germany,... hard working, scientific method, puritanism, discipline...

And look at Catholic countries: Mexico, Brazil, Philippines... worshipping statues, Hindu-like idol worship, tribal mentality, adoring a common sinner (Pope) as if he was a special person...

>>130508190
>Look at Protestant countries, what they achieved
>hard working, scientific method, puritanism, discipline...
>sadism, imperialism, self-righeousness, arrogance...
Achievement is a Protestant meme. What's your point, exactly? Jesus hates those fuckers.

>>130508052
Peter and Paul hated one another.

>>130508380
> imperialism
Are you in the wrong imageboard? Did you want to go to tumblr instead of /pol/?
What is wrong with imperalism?

>>130508636
>What is wrong with imperalism?
Everything, you disgusting Slovenian soft man. What is right with it?
t.nationalist

>>130508190
This

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>>130507658
this poster >>130508052
is right

there are things god can not do by association with his title

he can not learn because he already knows everything
he can not change because he is incorruptible and unchanging

God likes change, he likes it when people turn away from evil to become good.

there's a high price for a reclaimed mind and soul, and the price was the blood of the son of god on the cross

Sinners and whores are closer to the Son of God than priests and saints.

>>130508616

Objectively untrue. Not to mention they are both the quintessential Christians. Hating others, especially brothers in Christ, is not something they would do.

https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/commentaries/IVP-NT/Gal/Pauls-First-Visit-Peter

>>130508636
Not the (you) you were looking for, but I'll bite. The only thing wrong with imperialism is that eventually, it becomes too bloated with bureaucracy and body politick to sustain itself. Most empires lose sight of their core ideologies just to focus on maintaining the behemoth that they've become, about 150-200 years into the beast. As the machine crumbles, the degenerates and barbarians consume from within, and all empires lose their power typically 225-250 years into their timeline. Empires can not survive. There is no way around it. Revolution is imminent.

>>130468019

>conjuction with jew worship

Nigger what?

You realize Luther wrote a rather famous boom titled (translated from,German,of course)"On Jews and Their Lies", right?

>>130509280
-book

Shit i can't fucking read at 4 a.m.

>>130482461
Those are highly secular irreligious countries

>>130476970


is it 5 or 6 ? Not same design. Poorly done.

>>130508380
> God hates those fags trust me.
What kind of argument is that friend?
What the fuck is catholocism but a NWO scheme now? A more cell like structure creates checks and balances which help aid progress (real progress). They are cucks the same as catholics though.

>>130509280
Don't forget how he destroyed christianity

>>130509280
Yet his theological legacy has Protestants striving to be more Jewish than thou.
>>130509539
>A more cell like structure creates checks and balances which help aid progress (real progress).
Real progress? Show me that, and keep your damned iPhone out of this. That exists for corporate benefit, not yours, not society's, and surely not God's.
Real progress was made in Latin and South America, under the name liberation theology. Guess who sent the torturers, rapists and murderers in to put the kibosh on that?

>>130509539
Or having a system where religion is separate from government and ruling secular is good

>>130503344
Not really

>>130467933
Methodists

>>130509124
I love how your 'objective' response refutes everything we know about early Christian history.

For starters, Paul's arguments with Peter, John Mark, James, and Barnabas are heavily documented. Everyone knows that Paul created heat with Peter and the traditionalists over his teachings in Galatia and Corinth. It's in the Bible, lol.

Paul reconciled his disputes with some of his brothers, but there was no way they'd be able to work together.

>>130508616

2 Peter 3
>15And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.


>ps paul is a dick , things peter did not wrote

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>>130509688
Religion in Norway is mostly Evangelical Lutheran Christianity, with 71.5% of the population officially belonging to the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Norway in 2016. The Catholic Church is the next largest Christian church at 2.4%.

Religion: Most Icelanders (80%) are members of the Lutheran State Church. Another 5% are registered in other Christian denominations, including the Free Church of Iceland and the Roman Catholic Church

According to the 2012 Eurobarometer, 71% of Danish people are Christians (64% are Protestant), 25% are non-religious and 3% are members of other religions

Religious affiliation statistics New Zealand
Religion 2013 Census 2006 Census
Christian 1,858,977 2,027,418
Catholic 492,105 508,437
Anglican 459,771 554,925
Presbyterian, Congregational and Reformed 330,516 400,839

there aren't enough characters in the limit, but the point is no, it fucking isn't

>>130509688
>catholic church burns bibles, and burns people alive for reading the bible
catholics think that these actions constitute protecting Christianity, and not destroying it

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>>130510179

>Non-sequitur

Having heated disagreements over matters so important such as the Church of Christ is not equivalent to hatred of one another.

Some of our most heated debates come from those we love the most.

>>130510415
Norway is highly secular. People only identify as Lutheran because they are born into it. That is it

They don't go to church and it even says so in the same damn wiki you cited

>>130510415
Protestants also did the same shit

So protestants are hypocrites

>>130510179

◄ Galatians 2:11
>10They only asked us to be mindful of the poor, the very thing I was eager to do. 11When Cephas came to Antioch, however, I opposed him to his face, because he stood to be condemned. 12For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself, for fear of those in the circumcision group.…


and then we have god telling its alright.

>9On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: 10And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, 11And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: 12Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. 13And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. 14But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. 16This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

>>130510415
Iceland from the same wiki

nations, religious attendance is relatively low.[185][186]The above statistics represent administrative membership of religious organisations, which does not necessarily reflect the belief demographics of the population of Iceland. According to a study published in 2001, 23% of the inhabitants were eitheratheistoragnostic.[187]A Gallup poll conducted in 2012 found that 57% of Icelanders considered themselves "religious", 31% considered themselves "non-religious", while 10% defined themselves as "convinced atheists", placing Iceland among the ten countries with the highest proportions of atheists in the world.[188]The proportion registered in the official Church of Iceland is declining rapidly, more than 1% per year (the Church of Iceland has declined from 80% in 2010 to less than 70% in 2017).

>>130510415
Norway,

In the early 1990s, studies estimated that between 4.7% and 5.3% of Norwegians attended church on a weekly basis.[178]This figure has dropped to about 2%.[179][180]

>>130510415
New Zealand from wiki,
Major religions in New Zealand, 2013 Census[1]

Roman Catholic(12.61%)

Anglican(11.79%)

Presbyterian(8.47%)

Other Christianity (15.14%)

Hinduism(2.11%)

Buddhism(1.50%)

Islam(1.18%)

Other religions (1.53%)

Undeclared (4.44%)

No religion(41.92%)

You're all a bunch of jew worshipping traitors at the end of the day of the rope.

>>130510782
While 47.5 percent of New Zealanders affiliate with Christianity, regularchurch attendanceis probably closer to 15%.[3]

The number of people affiliated with Christianity has declined since the 1990s, and those stating that they have no religion have increased. With increased immigration to New Zealand, especially from Asia, the number of people affiliating with non-Christian religions has also increased.

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This thread is surely a joke? You guys area not actually non-ironically arguing about a jew nailed on the cross and how you should praise him? Reviving the slave morality that brought our downfall... whatever makes you feel comfy. I guess it's too much asked for a religious person to try being objective about his failure religion.

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>>130470964
Tits out for gnosticism

>>130510263

>Galatians 2:11-21
Paul literally gets up into Peter's face and calls him out in front of everyone. Accuses him of leading Barnabas astray.

>Acts 15:36-41
Barnabas and Paul are so pissed off at each other that they decide not to hang out over differences regarding Paul's distrust of John Mark.

They made up after a while, but don't act like they didn't fight with each other. It's in the Bible. Stop evading what you must know to be true. If you go your whole life thinking that all Christians must get along 100% of the time, then you're living in darkness.

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>>130510843

>Atheist
>Pawn of the Jews
>Says Christianity is the cause of the downfall of the west

Lmaoing at your life.

>>130510843

the joke is you larper
> "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

>>130510939
You don't want my tits out. But know they are there in spirit.

>>130510974
They didn't split into thousands of sects

>>130511089
>can write and recite a homily
So can the Devil. Your point?

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>>130510986
>mfw literal jew-worshipper calling anyone else a pawn

>>130510538
>who are the Waldensians
>protestants ban the bible
no, you're an idiot
>protestants burn people alive for reading the bible
no, you're an even bigger idiot.

fuck off ackmed. we all know its your british flag behind there, with your hatred of WMAF. you paki shitskin

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>>130510800
>>130510843
>>130511171

not so fast, kike-puppets

remember, Christianity encourages moral correctness and mental strength, and it's always pursued and persecuted the Jews - Jesus denounced those Jews who wouldn't accept him as a messiah too

>>130510474
It's possible to bridge our disagreement by admitting that perhaps hatred was a strong word, but there are many accounts of Paul's conflicts with other apostles all over the Bible. It's not like they all got along and sang praises of each other all of the time.

>>130511144

Point is that hitler is christian

>Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

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>>130511171

>Not knowing the difference between old covenant Hebrews with modern talmudic Jews

Top meme. Lurk moar

>>130510986
>>Atheist
>>Pawn of the Jews
Meanwhile behind the facade of this innocent looking bookstore.
>judeo-christian

>>130511269
That's not Christian. That's God-fearing, at best, assuming sincerity, and never assume sincerity from a politician.

>>130511235
Waldesians we're left alone until later on when they became more protestant. The original issue was Waldo didn't have permit to preach

>>130467801
I've always found catholicism weird from an outsider, but now I'm curious.

But didn't the pope embrace faggotry? fuck that.

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>>130511171
Christianity is a religion where God creates a human sacrifice from his son, and dedicates it to you, and accepting his sacrifice gives you eternal life.

the bible is about as anti-semetic as it gets.

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>>130511319

> taking anything the proddies say seriously

COME HOME WHITE MAN

>>130511350
no, they were pretty much systematically exterminated from the time of their conception.

you're literally a pakishit skin. take off the confederate flag, and put your bongistan flag back on.

pretty much anyone with a bible can preach.

>>130511512
Wrong. It was only when they got extreme

>>130511537
no kid. get out.

>>130511622
That is what happened historically

Deal with it.

Orthodox > Roman Catholic > Protestant > Shit > American (((Catholic)))

>>130511742
no, it really isn't you've fornicated with the whore of babylon, and are drunk on the blood of saints.

>>130512005
Protestantism is the whore of Babylon

That contradict the early Christians

>>130512005
VaudeÁs and his friends were thus favoured by the people and relatively well thought of by the Church hierarchy. The only contention remained the question of preaching. No-one was allowed to appropriate for himself the role of preacher without of®cial permission. It is highly likely that the men from Lyons had several wrangles with the archbishop of Lyons, the Cistercian Guichard. Whatever the case, a small delegation of members, probably led by VaudeÁs himself, set off for Rome in 1179 to petition the Third Lateran Council. It was in this city, after all, that they could ®nd the supreme authorities of the Church: the pope and the Council. As a result of their supplication being examined, general approval was expressed, albeit only orally, of their life of poverty and they were given the permission, again not in writing, to preach so long as they ®rst presented themselves to the local priest so that he could issue the appropriate licence. Pope Alexander III was so moved by the leader inspired by personal saintliness and the mission of the Church, that he is said to have kissed him.

>>130512197

Its you.... how is protestant the whore of babylon .. convince me , how is the man of sin any other man then the popes ?

>>130512435
Protestantism destroys the bible

>>130512435
Protestantism hate the early christians

>>130512432
Fix your charset.

>>130512849
More about the early Waldos

Before this date, the movement had already evolved in different ways. Waldensianism in itself did not constitute an act of heresy. The followers were, however, guilty not only of disobedience towards the Church hierarchy. By acting as preachers `as a direct result of the need for good works to attain salvation' (Selge), they found themselves preaching doctrines and encouraging practices considered heretical but which to their thinking were deeply rooted in the New Testament. Durand of Huesca, for example, rejected moderate predestination as taught by the Church. He continued to justify suffrage, or prayers, for the dead, which others rejected. Similarly, a new tendency emerged which inclined towards rejecting oaths and the death penalty, based on a literal interpretation of the holy scriptures (called biblicism or evangelism). This was a result of the Poor of Lyons being in¯uenced by other dissents with which they had come into contact, notably in Lombardy after their ®rst condemnation.

The other question, which was condemned as heresy, concerned the sacraments. The Poor of Lyons acknowledged them of course, particularly favouring baptism, the Lord's Supper and penance, and considered them necessary for salvation. They encouraged the sacrament of penance, insisting on it in their preaching, inciting their audiences to confess when most people considered it suf®cient to meet the minimum annual requirements for confession as de®ned by the Church hierarchy. But seeing how Christians held the clergy in contempt, giving them the pretext for shunning penance, the Poor of Lyons began to commend confession to laymen. Those listeners who had been moved by their preaching were therefore offered a form of spiritual direction. Furthermore, they had begun to organise their own holy communion on the model of the Last Supper.

>>130467801
The one that has living succesors to the apostles (bishops) through apostolic succession. So catholicism.

>>130513009
It is hardly surprising that within the group from Lyons divergences should have appeared. Indeed, preachers enjoyed great autonomy, and at the time there was neither a co-ordinating body nor a doctrinal authority. Certain trends thus led to schisms within the community. In Metz, for instance, in 1200 or thereabouts, a group of preachers siding with popular anti-clerical sentiment denied ministerial power to those members of the clergy whose lives did not conform to the apostolic model. Two of the community's founding principles came thus to be deformed. `You shall obey God rather than men' became `You shall obey God alone.' The original doctrine, claiming that those who lived apostolic lives had the power and the right to preach the gospel and consecrate the sacrament, was also overthrown. Those priests leading sinful lives were denied all their rights; any act realised under their responsibility was invalidated. This `donatist' tendency only affected certain groups, however, and was in no way a re¯ection of the movement as a whole.

The waldos

>>130512661

I said convince me , dont talk nonsense .


2 Thessalonians 2
>3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;


We got 2 options here the falling away was the catholic church , or the falling away was the protestants church . then the man of sin is luther ?

>13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

protestant are pro bible , catholics are anti bible . So who is the whore of babylon ?

>>130468245
This!
Seriously, what has this board become? Where are the fundamentals?

>>130512698
You should pick another flag or go back to Massachusetts.

The South is Protestant!

>>130513197
Protestantism deceives. Look at the fruit of sola scripture

That is relativism applied to the bible

But god is not the author of confusion

So protestants are blaspheming god

>>130513285
Too bad loser

Protestantism is false

>>130468171
God damn this is perfect. Explains perfectly.