Washington Post pushing for breaking up Spain

>>130434776
Could you give me a quick rundown on this situation?

>>130434776
Why the fuck are you even reading the WP, you moorish faggot?

>>130434909
IIRC Catalonia is basically meme territory owned by Spain that border near France and they wish they wuz frawgs and shieeettt so they now want to go independent.

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>>130434776
Us Basque people deserve independence too. When will our time come?

>>130435054
ah ok.

>>130434776
Yes, good goy. Let's destroy the fabric of native European identities to work toward the homogenization of a European culture that the Third World can thoroughly destroy.

>>130434909
Independentists are butthurt for being part o Spain. As anything that damages sovereign states the left supports it.
The Soros connection is real the Soros foundation in Spain is staffed by Catalonian independentists.

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>>130434776
We deserve independence too

>>130434776
based nationalist catalonians xD

>spain wants to get out of spain

see, yuros hate each other too much to have a european union

This will never happen ETA have disarmed in defeat just like the IRA did.

Fuck the((((((( WP ))))))))

>>130434776
What economy does Catalonia have? At least the Scottish have oil

>>130434776

Would America be so bold to finance some new ETA to stir things up in span just like they do everywhere else?

>>130436056
paella, bullfighting and human pyramids.

It's funny how the Left is for the right to secede and "self-determination" as long as it's not a conservative red state in the U.S.

When can northern California - the state of Jefferson - be free of the nutjobs in the California state legislature?

>>130434776
If it's any consolation, you can have Puerto Rico, if you want it.

>>130438702
I will take your Puerto Rico in exchange for our separatists.
Deal?

>>130436056

Workers from other regions trying to revitalize their dead industry that can't compete with Europe

>>130434776
If the majority of the people there want to leave then you should let them.

The EU wants a bunch of small countries along the lines of luxembourg or belgium that aren't individually powerful enough to throw their weight around. Also, Catalonians are perpetual cucks. They were literal anarchists and communists during the spanish war. They're a bunch of atheist libfags and "artists" nowadays. Nothing but cancer.

>>130435195
Hopefully soon brother. EUSKAL HERRIA!

>>130434776
>spain needs to
Something tells me the next few words will have nothing to do with spains actual needs.

>>130435054
I think you're confused with Basque country.

In any case any region should be allowed to leave whenever they like.
Don't want your country to break up, then treat your citizens better.

You think we would rape Groningen in the ass like we do if they could leave?

>>130440091
Only if they are Basque and get sent to Elko, Boise or Fresno.

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>>130440731
>In any case any region should be allowed to leave whenever they like.
No

>>130435343
So these separatists are just a bunch of butthurt leftists?

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>>130440662
>Hopefully

>>130434776

All non-europeans want to break up eu countries and break up the EU itself (brexit)

The Soviet dream is unfolding in front of our eyes

>>130440570
The EU opposes any regions splitting off.

They strongly opposed the Scottish independence for example.

>>130440888
Yup. These were the same faggots that bought into the anarcho-communist meme back in the 1930s. They went around installing gommunism, tearing down everything related to the church, and shooting anyone who "owned the means of production"

>>130440699
Quite the Opposite.
Is funny how leftist always advise you exactly the opposite of what is best for you as what you actually "need". They know what is better for you better than you!

>>130440840
Why, too scared California and New York tell you to get lost, bankrupting the 48 flyover states?

I hope that these weren't the same faggots saying Brexit shouldn't happen.

>>130440699
>the organization that wants a european superstate wants a bunch of small states in europe

>>130440699
>>130441223

But they said "need" as is "must", not as in "requires".

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>>130434776
I don't get this issue at all. Why do they want independence? Are they genetically different to the rest of Spain or something? Quick rundown required.

>the liberal and muslim capital of spain
>hates spain
>still votes and seriously influences spanish election

Other than finical reasons, why the fuck would you actually want Catalonia to stay in spain if you're spanish? It's like the commies who want california to leave the US, if it was ever actually possible i'd push for it to happen.

>>130441349
Of course they are.
No frontiers but Catalonian and Basque ones.

>>130441373
Meant for
>>130440570

>>130435449
Make México Mayan Again!

>>130434776
This sort of thing is a trial run for their future Calexit strategy.Watch for legacy media to start pushing these sort of secessionist ideas more and more.

REEEEEEEEEE STOP FUCKING AROUND MY PRECIOUS ANCESTRAL MEDITERRANEAN LANDS

>>130440662
Faggot

>>130441444
>Why do they want independence?

Because Madrid is a corrupt 3rd world shithole that taxes the productive regions into poverty without ever giving anything back.

>>130441535
>>130441373
Come on dude. Think about this for a second. If the countries in the EU are all individually very weak, then they can't throw around their weight to oppose the EU that they're part of.

>>130441473
Spain would go bankrupt without Catalonia. Same as the US without California

>>130441754
Low effort bait.

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>>130434776
I thought Washington Post was against nationalism, holy shit

>>130434909
Catalonia will not be a etnhostate, but a corner of spain full of swj, invaders and progressive retards.

I wont oppose a traditionalist state in Catalonia but def not this.

>>130441879
No u

>>130436056

They unironically have none. There's a big meme about them being the only producers in Spain and the government just steals from Catalan's through taxes. The reality is that all the industry in Spain is not in Catalonia and the only thing they really have is tourism. I hope they secede and get fucked hard. They are also the biggest SJW's in Spain constantly flooding the country with more niggers and arabs.

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>>130441754
>catalonia
>productive

>>130441444
-Maintenance of their unique culture - language, others things
-Economic / unemployment crisis desperation
-They refere Hijack of their regional wealth to more devoluted/poorer regions of Spain
- Centralism/ decision making concentrated in Madrid and Castille.
- More leftists than central current govt of Spain.

>>130442017
Umm...No

>>130436386
Jefferson and Cascadia are so Beautiful

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>>130440091

Why would you ever want Puerto Rico back? It has zero natural resources, it has barely any infrastructure, it has no industry because the Puerto Ricans are retards and squandered all the work the was put in place with FOMENTO. P.R. is a white elephant. A tiny island with huge debt, unemployment, corruption and violence. Teodoro Moscoso must be rolling in his grave so fast he could give power to the whole island.

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>>130434776
So will you guys actually lose anything other than a bunch of useless faggots if they secede?

>>130434776
While as a Portuguese I might support the breakup of Spain for power balance reasons, I currently cannot support Catalonians. They'll flood the peninsula with every foreigner they can get their hands on, and won't last a decade of independence without becoming a caliphate.

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>>130441989

I like this meme.

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>>130442279
I don't want Puerto Rico back. I just want that he takes all the separatists.

>>130442575

Oh, that sounds like a plan. Then we can set off a few nukes on the tectonic plate the P.R. sits on and sink that piece of shit island to the depths.

>>130442532
i like memes as much as the next retarded idiot on pol but theres no way any british woman has that many teeth. thats kinda our thing .

>>130442346
Because if they left, they'd immediately start allowing even more mass immigration into Catalonia than Swedes do into their country. Then there'd be another large zone of kebabs on the doorstep of the rest of europe. Fucking fantastic.

They're retarded leftists and they can't be trusted on their own. It's like letting a child choose what's for dinner, and he picks ice cream and candy every day.

CATALUNYA INDEPENDENT! UNA GRAN I LLIURE!

>>130442689
Catalonia isn't even near the border and they don't have a coastguard to even speak of do they?`

>>130434776
Reminder that Spaniards were pushing for Scottish independence to try and fuck us over and now indyref2 is dead they're getting jewed out anyway hahahahah

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>>130442673

Right you are.

>>130442763
They're a bunch of uber-leftists and they're on the coast of the Mediterranean. You DON'T think that they'd be waving "REFUGEES WELCOME :^)" signs and telling all the boats to dump them off there?

>>130442880
I don't think they would even last 1 month as a cohesive state without absolute bankruptcy. There is actually no economy there, and with their economic policies no one would ever invest there, I don't think they'd even be able to before they became a failed state.

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>>130442707
>UNA GRAN I LLIURE!
Franco?

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Solidarity Spain!

Smash leftist nationalism.

Death to Scottish and Catalonia independence.

>>130443044
You're kidding right? Catalonia is the most economically advanced region of Spain, all their taxes go to the rest of the country. Man you people just have no clue

>>130443045
You guys need another Franco. That's for fucking sure. Smite the communists and siestaniggers, and remove the fucking moroccans too.

>implying they're wrong for wanting to leave a broken country
Only problem here is the fact all of them are communists

>>130443249
It literally isn't, catalonia takes in more from the government than they give. They only do about 25% of spanish exports, they are a failed state waiting to explode.

>>130443334
tear down that fucking "refugees welcome sign" (written in ENGLISH) on madrid city hall too

>>130443249
Ironically the most developed parts of Catalonia are the less separatist. Is the inbreed retards at the rural villages that think their church is the greatest thing in the world the ones that tip the scales in favor of separatism.

>>130436056
Rapefugee integration services. Literally, that's all they have. Spain dumps all its rapefugees there and pays the local municipalities to keep quiet.

>>130443334
Soon.

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>>130434776
Fucking jews

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQwzKxrkv4s

>>130443456
>According to a recent study co-authored by López, in 2012 Catalonia collected 118.6% of the national average of taxes per capita, putting it in third out of 15 regions. But after redistribution, its resources fell to 99.5%, putting it in 11th place. At the other extreme, the region of Extremadura collected 76.6% of the average in taxes, putting it in 14th place, but after redistribution it ended up with 111.8%, putting it in third.

http://fortune.com/2015/01/30/spain-catalonia-independence-taxes-economy/

>>130441444
actually all the meme came from "finding a easy solution of the crisis of 2008" they though since catalonia is wealthy if the secede spain theey will get rid of all their problems, they doesnt know that if actually that happend, they will be more than fucked with the industry moving away with less political power being flowded by inmigrants, with not even a fucking army just becouse we wuz different

>>130434776
but borders aren't real anyway

>>130443249

Common lie spread by Catajews.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked_lists_of_Spanish_autonomous_communities

>>130441842
not really, actually catalonia has so many advantages apart from other communities they are just delusional faggots

>>130442364
why support breaking up spain and just doesnt join forces to become more relevant in europe?

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>owe 40,000,000,000€ to Madrit
>say you're "financing" the rest of the country

>>130444494
im actually starting to believe that spain will be a better place without them just fucking around, we would develop more industry in the north, we wouldnt spend that much money in their shit, we will start being less fucking leftis

>>130444301
It's the same shit they pull with saying that California is the most successful state and a massive net contributor in taxes. They used skewed statistics that don't take into account all the other forms of gibs they get. In reality, its one of the most insolvent states in the union.

>>130445028
That's true in the short term, but the problem is the Catalans would import a fuckton of niggers and migrants. And then they'll all become YOUR problem too when they collapse.

>>130445028
That's what they want you to think. But we cannot abandon the good Spanish people in Catalonia to the separatist traitors.

>>130441894
Only the nationalism coming from large countries that could become an obstacle to their globalist aims. If they can use regional nationalism to break off larger states they will support it.

The goal is many small fractionalized multicultural states that they can later swarm with refugees into a global government.

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>>130445239
>would

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>>130445126

They also have La Sagrada Familia which is a huge money pit that has been (((under construction))) for over 100 years.

>>130445407
Almost 2 million.
Holy fuck.

>>130445407

Jesus Christ, nearly double of the population in Andalucia which is historically the most muslim area in Spain....Fucking idiots. They truly are French Jews in disguise.

>>130443588
We should support this then...
>>130436056
>>130441984

>>130445407
if suddently they secede catalunia will become the state with more muslims in europe, probably they would be happy becouse they are like swedefags

>>130441310
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. California has a massive water problem and New York has a massive crime problem.

>>130445377
actually what really fucks me over is that they are changing the history, jus for their sake, that really gets me mad, any catalonian ever just tell me a reason but "we are more cultural developed, we dont want to mix with you, we are much better than you" thats just fucking bullshit

>>130445407

that can't be true kek. more than half of catalan people are morrocan?

>>130445940

Califags have been pushing away big companies with their retarded corporate tax laws. A lot of them are going to red states like Texas. About the only thing they have left is the Silicone Valley bubble. Once it pops and those tech companies move elsewhere they are will be in for a rude awakening. Luckily though, unlike Catalonia. California is a massive state with a lot of natural resources so they should be fine. Honestly, what they should do is split the state in two and give the bottom half to Mexico. Bunch of mentally ill liberals and beaners anyway.

>>130446078
>gets btfod by Aragon
We wuz unique and shieeet

>>130445126
>People tell me Commiefornia is massively successful
>Literally stocked full of niggers, beaners and Jews
>Three of the least successful "people" of all time
>Three of the most parasitic "people" of all time
>Need to literally beg other States for fresh water
>Successful

Leftists class 4 explosions a week (up from 0) as successful though desu so...

>>130434909
Washpo wants an independent catalonia because catalonians are marxists

Though if catalonia leaving means the rest of spain can uncuck itself, maybe that is good?

>>130446184
13%+illegals by their own account.
https://www.idescat.cat/poblacioestrangera/?b=0&lang=es

>>130434909
catalan politicians get exposed as corrupt so they push independence as a distraction

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>>130446078

They are easily the most arrogant people I've met while traveling through Europe. Not even Parisians are as bad as Catalans.

I hear they are trying to change/deface The Valley of the Fallen. Because it triggers them that a symbol of the triumph of fascism over communism still exists.

>>130446234
Which they can't use reliably due to California's position on a major fault line and the sheer amount of demand for water. Don't they routinely break their agreement on the use of the Colorado river?

>>130446523
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCRe9iPpQZI

Don't get dragged into this retardation, leaving the EU or Spain it's a cheap cop out.

>>130446234
well i think california fter being spanish for long time still kinda share some similarities with mexico somehow, that also applies to florida though

>>130445407
QUE ES ESTE CORNUDERIA?! COÑO

t Cuban

>>130446632

Something like that. It's due to legitimate emergencies though. Like their crazy forest fires. I kind of feel bad for some Californians though. There's a lot of really based people that live up north and have to deal with the being labeled Commiefornians due to the subhumans on the coastal cities.

>>130446523
This

>>130435343
>>130441945
>>130446376

>catalonia should be an independent nation state so that it can have no borders and becomes able to destroy its culture by becoming one with the entire world

how does this even work

>>130446559
Leftards are pushing to get the remains of Franco exhumed from there. And thrown into a garbage can I suppose. Our Cuckservatives didn't even had the balls to oppose, just abstain.

>>130446559
actually thats true but the whole point the escorial is not intended to be a fascist symbol, it was intended to be a symbol of "recontiliation" between communist and fascist spain becouse both of the sides are buried in the same graveyard, they still complaining becouse thousands of people are buried in the road, but that was a fucking war that happend 70 years ago, just remember the fallen and move on

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>>130434776
>Spanish nation

>>130446234
That bubble is going to be bad "oh snapchat will do great" can't make a dime, uber can't, tesla can't.
>>130446756
Nah it's not similar to mexico at all except now its full of shitty spics, it used to have lots of Mexican families that had stayed when it became a state and got whitewashed. But their extended family invaded, now it literally is mexico in the southern half.

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>>130434776
>your face when UK takes Gibraltar and Catalonia becomes independet

>>130447024
This is liberals acting out their daddy issues again.

Daddy why wont you let me be a slut? I want to be free so I can get knocked up and become a slave to the govt and my 5 mulatto babies!

>>130446559
> a symbol of the triumph of fascism over communism still exists.
It's a war memorial. You can't expect all memorials to be completely unbiased and secular. There are people buried there from both sides, which is a courtesy most memorials don't even have.

>>130434776

WaPo and CNN need to die.

>>130441574
>tfw Mexico actually comes from the aztec word for "Aztec"
A-anon, I...

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>>130447061
hey serbia don't bully spain

>>130447060
>actually thats true but the whole point the escorial is not intended to be a fascist symbol, it was intended to be a symbol of "recontiliation" between communist and fascist spain becouse both of the sides are buried in the same graveyard,

Right, I remember reading this on the article. Fucking ironic, goes to show how ignorant these people are.

>>130447024
actually many catalonians really thinks this, they are happy while they are not being "spanish" i think most of them even prefer being rapebabies or moors rather than spanish

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>>130445407
>Cataluña is over 50% non-white
Wake me up from this nightmare.

>>130440731
California is given literally every single concession and yet many californians want the state to sescede because trump won the election.

what now fucknugget.

>>130446184

Huh?

There are like 6 million people in catalonia and 400k are muslims.

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>>130447037

I hope they try this and get beaten to death by some pro-franco right wing gang.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C--XNGgJ_8

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>>130447260
>>130446184
Oh, I see the misunderstanding. Españoles there only refers to """"Spanish""""" muslims not overall population.

>>130447258
Is this Catalonian dream?
https://youtu.be/M-sHa6HkxWM

>>130447346
basically same as spain with catalonia

>>130447024
Didn't Scotland want the same thing?

What do you think about Franco ,Spaniards?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoj9JYcVXGc


Primo de Rivera looked a based leader

>>130447483
Oh much better.
Still troubling though.

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>>130447585

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>>130447024
Libtard logic.

>>130447482

Shit posted the wrong video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw1ESZHfEhc

>>130447482
good times even hitler recognized our good soldiers, at least im happy none can call coward a spanish dead in fight

>>130434776
>the EU is fantastic
>but the sovereign nation is not

I really don't get lefties. For real, if you are in favour of a massive, federal superstate, then where do you get off bitching about being part of something even smaller? How much paint do these people huff that they think it's valid to say they're being ignored as a significant part of the nation, but that the EU will perfectly keep their wishes in mind?

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Kinda off topic but just started watching this new kino from Spain recently, pretty dope desu

>>130447860
Leftists don't care about consistency in logic, thats something that only hinders honorable right wing people.

>>130447511
kek my 10's
catalonian wet dream

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>>130447585
>no IRPF
>no IVA
>minimum IS
The regime had to go, he more than anyone realized this. But still.

>>130434776
Americoons need to stop sticking their nose everywhere its gonna end bad for them

>>130447585
Franco is actually a traitor to the fascist becouse he killed to primo de rivera, so if you go to the extreme right they hate franco, the very right love franco the conservativies now "reject" franco becouse appearance and all the left also really hate franco

The truth is that Franco wasnt a really bad dealer fixed many problems, like water droughts making tons of lakes and even could rise spanish economy despise being totally isolated

this is much better outcome that the commies won the war and then spain become a bolchevike state

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>>130434776
>butthurt spaniard getting cucked by catalans

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fascist Spain when?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFm_4E5WiQE

>>130447511

fucking kek.

>>130448257
>Franco wasnt a really bad dealer fixed many problems
>literally a planned economy
>spanish """""miracle""""" happened about 10 years after economic boom in europe and was little more than a consequence of that
>spain in the 1970's was basically a third world country
delusional francofags are fucking gay as hell

>>130440840
Does it mean you're willing to bow to the Queen?

>>130448389

Soon enough anon, soon enough.

>>130447860
It's a strategy to destroy the nation-state, attack it from above with the EU and from beneath with the regionalist movements

>>130447582

yes I recall

literally wanting independe so it can destroy its culture. It's crazy but a it's a thing apparently

>>130448640
This issues are as old as the expulsion of the muslims.

>>130448257
Not to mention that it was imperative that there would be no commie state in Western Europe. That would have been a total disaster.

Then again, the commie sympathizers we still have left are trying their best to destroy Europe anyway.

>>130448500
i mean, after war all commies has sent all the spanish gold to russia to buy tanks and weapons, when i mean to fix spanish economic problem is not about "spanish miracle" its about fixing a post war economy, with 0 gold in the bank, and being completly isolated by europe that happend in 1940 by the way

>>130448450
>>130447971
https://youtu.be/RoanXB6qytk

Do spaniards say "negrada" also? Some words are just perfect in spanish.

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>>130434776
I wonder what their advertisers think of this.

Surely many have interests in Spain.

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>>130448500
At least it was real money, and unemployment was below 5%. Housing was also a lot cheaper in relative terms. Spanish 60-70's > Spanish nows

>>130448640
>regionalist movements

Isn't Catalonia a nation? Spain is wrong in the same way but to a lesser degree than the EU, they are different nations and you shouldn't have one ruling over another.

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>>130448500
>was little more than a consequence of that
Sure, because the strong ties of the spanish economy with the rest of Europe.
What are you doing in Switzerland Jordi?
Going to put some black money in the bank?

>>130448999
Chekt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFfxqFiFfjs

>>130449333

Catalonia has never been an independent nation though.

>>130434776
Any nation that embraces feminazism deserves extinction.

>>130449333
catalonia has never ever been a nation in history, never ever, not like navarra or aragon, they were the kingdom of aragon but before that they were a bunch of douches that got some lands between france and spain, thats actually one of the biggest problems they are rewriting the history to say "we wuz a nation" when they has always been the kingdom of aragon

>>130449429
>see niggs
>they say the dance style is dominican
Kek

How surprising!

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>>130449333
What are this different nations you speak about and which one is ruling the others?

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>>130449588
>feminazism
That's not making it justice.

>>130434776
Isn't Catalonia like the biggest leftist part of Spain? Wouldn't it then be beneficial for the right wing to actually separate that part from the country, since all those leftists wouldn't be able to vote, and they'd also have to survive on their own?

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>>130449741

>>130440840
fuck off yankee

>>130449761
What's funny is that in 1978 they were so progressive and tolerant that they voted for the constitution that they now so furiously hate more than any other region.

>>130444464
Iberian Union sucked when the King got too greedy and wanted to dissolve us. We won't stand for that. It's either a voluntary union of the iberian peoples or nothing. We will not bow to Madrid.

It could work as a federation like the USA, but each community gets equal representation at the federal level and the decisions must be unanimous. I'm not sure how we'd divide it, but that's another matter.

>>130449531
He must mean Aragon?

>>130434776
Sounds good but the EU, Merkel, Obongo said several times they want Catalonia inside of Spain.

>>130449985
Typical leftism, the ideology always demands more of the govt.

>>130449531
>>130449634
Is that a reason why it shouldn't be? Do you think Spain shouldn't be independent but instead go under Italy because prior to being independent they were part of the Roman Empire? Do you dispute all-together the catalonian identity?

>>130449732
Within Spain, I would guess Castille, the Basque countries, Catalonia/Aragon however you want to call it.

>>130450027
well i agree with that terms to me all parts of iberia are equal, and making portuguese basque and catalonian official languages would be fine to me

>He must mean Aragon?
Aragon doesnt want to become independant its capital city its Zaragoza and thats one of the biggest spanish nationalistic place even valentia was a kingdom, but catalonia still feeling supperior toward valentia

>>130449531
>>130449634
Butthurt moor rapebabies who can't handle catalan superiority. If I was a low iq shitskin like yourself I'd be mad too.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Catalonia

>>130450027
Why not go for something like the US articles of confederation which is fairly "weak"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articles_of_Confederation

>>130434776
>Amazon:News Outlet:Opinion
Why do people read the garbage

>>130450306
You'd have more economic success if all agreed to go to Spanish, but I know egos are too big to allow it.

>>130450027
>a system where Portuguese votes count four times as much as Spanish ones
Pass. The time for that sort of union was when there was real monarchy in both countries. It didn't work out and that's a shame, but I don't see it working now.

>>130450299
Muh Andalusia, Muh Galicia. Why do you stop there?
Also you didn't answered which nation is supposed to be ruling the others in a democracy that is designed to give over representation to the separatists, and a huge deal of independence.

>>130434776

PUTOS MAIN STREAM MEDIA DE LOS COJONES

>>130450299
actually spain or the naples part was spanish so that doesnt sound a bad deal to me, and none dispute the catalonian identity its an official language and the identity is recogniced the problems is what moves them to be apart its like your quebec part sais something "we are much superior that the rest of canada so we want to go by our side becouse french people has always been better than english people and we got our own identity" its exactly the same bullshit, also the powerful people interested in this are both spanish and catalonian corrupts that just want more distracctions/opportunities to steal money from the people

>>130434776
Anything that destroys Spain is fine by me, you're nothing but a bunch of commie faggots.

>>130445475
>La Sagrada Familia

That thing looks like a giant termite mound.

>>130450741
DE PINGA

>>130435195
will never happen, not our part atleast

>>130450369
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Catalonia
>>130450369
>Last edited 23 hours ago by an anonymous user

what ive said about rewriting history is bad?

>>130447183
Wasn't it the huge lake (that they filled in)?

>>130450757
well thats catalonia so i guess you are all right with nuke them

>>130450558
yes it has always being about egos here in iberia

>>130449213
>women can't work without their husbands permission
>statistics from a totalitarian dictatorship
>"DUDE LOOK AT HOW LOW UNEMPLOYMENT WAS"
my fucking sides

>>130450665
I know of them but I don't know of any Andalusian or Galician separatism, that's why I didn't mention them. Neither is supposed to rule, would you agree to be subordinate to a foreign nation? If yes, good for you, not everyone wants to, some want to rule themselves and have a state for their own nation. What's wrong with those nations being independent?

>>130450754
Funny enough, it's the anglos who always claim superiority, during the colonial period the British governors thought we were an inferior race to good english folks, we just want to rule ourselves and not have to ask the permission of a foreign nation. Also who cares if they're pretentious? Them being dicks isn't a reason for you to impose their will on them. Also isn't your objection about the leaders who are corrupt rather than against a Catalonian state?

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>>130450369
>Realm of the Crown of Aragon (1162–1641, 1652–1714)
>Realm of the Monarchy of Spain (1516–1641, 1652–1714)
>Realm of the Kingdom of France (1641–1652)

>>130450644
Well, for this to even work the spanish state as it is would have to be dismantled. There would be no "Spain", there'd be Portugal, Galicia, Castila y Leon, Catalonia, Andalucia, etc in an Union. The representatives of these communities would all have to be in agreement for federal decisions.

>>130451219
Do you have some proof that the statistics were cooked? Or is just baseless smear?
>women can't work without their husbands permission
I don't think you will get much support with that line here.

>>130451219
apparently Spanien grow like 11%-12% in 60s and early 70s

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>>130451445
>Do you have some proof that the statistics were cooked? Or is just baseless smear?
>he needs proof that statistics from a dictatorship are doctored

>>130451328
Do you realize that you are subjectively adjudicating nationhood?
And claiming that a democratically elected government between the different territories is a foreign nation?

>I hate those Catalan separatists, nuke that shithole
>No, Catalonia shouldn't break away from Spain
Make up your mind, what do Spaniards even want?

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>>130451611
I will take that for a NO.

>>130451219
If you want to get nitpicky, current unemployment is closer to 60% than the official 18%

>>130451705
just catalonians stop complain, i give up a long about of making up their shit

>>130450369
Catalonians have the biggest unwarranted ego in the entire peninsula, you act like frenchmen and I don't understand where this came from.

>>130451705
Basically keep them but nuke them anyway

As a Brex-brit, Catalonia breaking away from Spain would be a blow to the EU so go for it. Maybe Spain would spend more time trying to wrangle them back instead of trying to take Gibralter again.

>>130452011
>Catalonia breaking away from Spain would be a blow to the EU
Aren't they staunchly pro-EU like Scotland is?

>>130451577
The economic boom in Europe happened in the 1950's. Until the very end of that decade Spain had a policy of autarky. Which meant that neighbouring countries were booming while spain was shut off from the world. By the time Spain opened up economically around 1959 it was a 3rd world country in the middle of booming europe, and on top of that full of beaches, lots of sun, and cheap prices because it's a fucking 3rd world country. How is Spain not going to grow in that situation, and how is any of it Spain's merit?
For hundreds of years now Spain has only advanced in the shadow of its European neighbours. You can look at newspaper articles shortly before cuban independence, they were literally writing the same thing as they do now about catalonia. They were literally writing how Spain can never be broken, and that cuba was pure-blood spanish because it had been conquered and civilized by spaniards who had also brought niggers there, and because of that it was more spanish than canada was british. And yet Canada remained british until much later than cuba.
Spain is a country that's destined to fail at everything they do. It's in their mentality. Spaniards think they're smarter than everyone else, and anyone who thinks like that will never improve himself, he'll just be content with his disgusting self and eventually become a laughing stock.

>>130452136
Possibly, but neither Scotland and I'm presuming Catalonia have ANYTHING to offer the EU. They'd be takers rather than givers, assuming they even manage to join.

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>>130452011
>yfw Gibralter joins us so they can continue to Jew the EU from within

>>130451642
Nation is a people linked by language, culture, history, geography and other stuff. Catalans do have a language and region, so do we with the anglos. How else do you define nation? Simply as a state? By that logic might as well go full EU and say poles and spaniards are the same nation. Also democratically elected is pretty loaded, the current representatives were chosen democratically but was the country of Spain formed democratically? From what I know it was undemocratic monarchies and dictatorships that mainly formed the Spanish state, so you can't really say they chose to form Spain with you.

>>130450898
Are you retarded?
Check any wiki even the spanish one it says the same.

>>130451348
The crown of Aragon was catalan for like 90% of the time it existed.

>>130434909
Basically this region is tired of sending tax money to support the Moor rape babies down south

But they are also rich white progressives. They believe in heavy socialism, faggotry stuff.

>>130434776
>be liberal fags
>push for independence

how does that work out spaniard?

>>130451826
And yet in Catalonia it's around 15%. In Barcelona 10%. Damn commies.
>Meanwhile all the PP strongholds like Extremadura and Galicia are 3rd world tier.

>>130452350
>tired of sending tax money to support the Moor rape babies down south
Yes so they have money to support literal moors instead in their neighborhoods

>>130452350
>Catalonia
>Progressive
are you aware that for most of the time since 1977 Catalonia has voted a catholic right wing party? They only stopped voting them because they are such corrupt bastards.
Meanwhile in Spain people keep voting corrupt politicians. Catalans just want off this ride.

>>130452176
>I will nitpick historical bits and vague generalizations and wave them into a demonizing narrative: The Post.

I suppose if it was so easy why other European countries didn't did the same and with the same sucess?

>>130434776
how the fuck brexit is bad but this is good?

>>130452176
you look an angry kanaken, are you Spanisch? are you a independentist calatan?

>>130452414
>one of the richest regions in the country has less unemployment than two of the poorest
Stop the rotatives!
A better question would be why is the central government (and Extremadura and Galicia by proxy) investing by the buttloads in a region with such low unemployment and with a government in hands of secessionists.

>>130450978
"Mexico" means something like "people who speak clearly" in Nahuatl; that's how they called themselves. "Aztec" means "people from Aztlan".

>>130441192
So the communists are now mad that their wealth is being spread across the nation?

>>130452877
>central government is investing buttloads in Catalonia
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH FUCKING WOW

How bad is Barcelona? I'm going there this summer.

>>130452414
Man if you knew the truth... Never ever trust what a spanish says.
We (real catalans) have close to 0 unemployment but Franco brought here milions of subhuman castilians (specially from Andalusia and Extremadura) and they are useless lazy fucks who either are unemployed or work the shitiest jobs.
Not only we're paying gibs for the rest of Spain but also the castilians living inside Catalonia.

>>130452011
nobody in spain is even bathering about gibraltar is just a meme, also gibraltar people is not english they are andalusians that speak english

>>130452136
yes but they need the approvation of all eu to get in thing that spain will never give

>>130452251
All Catalonians speak Spanish and have 95% of the same culture. Your point?
By that logic Quebec should be an independent nation with much more reason than Catalonia. And rural Britain should be an independent nation of London.

>EU is a state
Wat?
>was the country of Spain formed democratically?
Was France? UK? Germany? Cucknada?
By the way When Spain adopted democracy there was a referendum to approve the constitution.

>>130450306
>valentia
A friend of mine went there last year, said it was full of gypsies and trash. An old lady warned him not to go a certain way because he'd get robbed and killed. Wew.

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>>130452414
>Extremadura
>PP stronghold
What are you on Jordi?

>>130453148
Truth. I'm aware of how Franco tried to destroy the Catalan identity by favouring migration of the most mongrel people in Spain. Amazingly, those people in large part assimilated the Catalan identity instead of diluting it.

Catalonia is set to be a glorious civic nationalist state like Switzerland. You guys are ok, you just need to get your shit together.

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>>130453021
>biggest debt of all the CCAA

>>130452819
Britain is leaving EU.
Spain is in EU, presumably Catalonia will be too.
Breaking EU countries into smaller states=weaker and worse coordinated opposition against EU globalist=Coudenhove Kalegri plan in full force.

>>130452176
well we still managed to have one of the largest empires of history even being laziest as fuck and breeding with everysingle girl we found in our travels,also is true spain has been always more undeveloped that other europeans countries since 1700 thats why 1600 is the spanish golden era, i never heard about switcherland golden era, how it was? did you invented some kind of a knife or a clockwork?

>>130453495
Sorry I was thinking of uh watchamacallit, Castilla La Mancha? Castilla y León? One of those. Whatevs.

>>130434776
Yes. Break up all large states into smaller ones. Balkanize the world now

>>130453562
Why did you break up then?

>>130453645
why don't you go away from switherzeland you commie bastard

we don´t like commies here ,also kanaken

>>130453554
>underfund productive community
>community needs to invest from its limited budget to sustain its productive sector
>biggest debt
what an unexpected thing to happen, gee whiz.

>Spain is so retarded they actually try to destroy one of its few productive regions
>gloating over your productive area being knee-deep in shit because of your actions
This is why catalans want to leave. You people hate your own country. You're predators, but you're so dumb you prey on your own country.

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>>130452312
>being this delusional faggot

Make catalonia sovereign again!

We are with you Catalanen!

T. Flemish

>>130435343
Why is it that they never assimilated or do all you Eurofags have hyper distinct cultural regions?

>>130453562
That doesn't make sense. The goal is one world goverment, not hundreds of small goverments.
The EU and Merkel have already said many times they want Catalonia to be part of Spain.

Sounds like the usual globalist bullshit trying to break up historic states into smaller powerless ones. You will just become a cock sleeve for France inside the EU if you do.

>>130453596
You said it. 1600 was the golden era. Ever since then you people have only been able to look backwards. It's a defining trait of any decadent empire past its glory and which will never rise again. That is why you fail.

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>>130434776
We want the south of Spain too btw xxx

>>130453932
The latter, we had at least a millennia to develop them after the fall of Rome, while the nation states go back at most 4/5 centuries

>>130453332
haha still better than catalonia

>>130454050
You can have it. However, Southeners hate brits, You will have to deal with andalusian terrorism and guerrilla.

>>130453513
another brainwashed by jewtalonian

>>130453925
flemish scum go away

>EU supports Madrid in saying separation is unconstitutional
>WP is supporting it anyway
???

>>130454251
why don't you try hating the catalans some more, maybe that'll make them want to stay.

If you shitheads weren't such cunts to everybody your colonies wouldn't have all GTFO over a century ago. Now you're even losing your own fucking country. As a medpack, I'd be ashamed if any canton would want to leave, and we'd be asking ourselves wtf we did wrong to get it to be that way. Clearly you people have no nationalistic sentiment other than YO SOY EJPAÑOOOH EJPAÑOOO EJPAÑOOOH

>>130454014
fail?actually live in spain is pretty based, just a bunch of disadvantages that are preventig tons of inmigrants to overflow spain so is not a bid deal

>>130434776
>Brexit is evil, racist, sexist, and xenophobic
>Catalonia independence is good, the people standing up to oppression

Really makes you think

Why does every flag except Spanish want Catalonia to break away? You spainards need to get your shit together and squash this it looks like a foreign pusch to me.

>>130454498
>live in spain is pretty based
Yeah, it's always pretty based when you can live off the work of others. That's called being a LEECH, that's what you spaniards are, disgusting leeches.

>>130453932
That's why the EU is not in favor of separatism. All countries have a buttload of territories with their own particularities and if the door is open for them to split from their parent countries the richer regions would split from the poorer ones and the EU would split in a fuckton of irrelevant microcountries. The leftards on the other hand favor anything that goes against nationalism.

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>>130453897
>loan 40 billion €
>underfund
Would 80 billion be enough?
If you're referring to taxes:budget, madrid gets screwed three times as hard. They get around 60% back which isn't bad considering they're the second richest region.

>>130454537
>southern secession was illegal

>>130454483
actually there is a thing i noticed you cannot convince a catalonian being nice with him, if they are brainwashed they'll keep brainwashed forever, is not about hating them is much better ignoring them and telling them better to shut the fuck up becouse they will come with the same bullshit over and over again and yeah people here has no nationalistic sentiment that is fault of the left, the same the catalonians want in the goverment

>>130441894
They hate all Nationalism that isn't separatist

>>130454483
>why don't you try hating the catalans some more, maybe that'll make them want to stay.
>If you shitheads weren't such cunts to everybody your colonies wouldn't have all GTFO over a century ago. Now you're even losing your own fucking country. As a medpack, I'd be ashamed if any canton would want to leave, and we'd be asking ourselves wtf we did wrong to get it to be that way. Clearly you people have no nationalistic sentiment other than YO SOY EJPAÑOOOH EJPAÑOOO EJPAÑOOOH
you sound hilarious as fuck, do you speak German?

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>>130454483
Jordi, stop making shit up.

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>>130443205
I wish we capitulated to you

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>>130454687
>loan = funding
>literally have to pay back this "funding" with other funding
can't make this shit up

>>130454626
yeah and you still think somehow catalonian is different, good deal my freind also stop fucking proxing faggot

>>130454782
>do you speak German
yah, I'm from german speaking Switzerland.

>>130454974
You people are leeches. Catalans are the ones you're leeching off. There's your difference.

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>>130454945
>Switzerland
>completely blinded by wagecuck mentality

>>130455071
>yah, I'm from german speaking Switzerland.
good, what is your problem with spaniards? they don´t look like bad people...

>>130435195

But Basque are not people.

>>130454612
>implying they are not catalonians roleplaying with other flags

>>130454483
Go kill yourself Jordi

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>>130455177
>implying catalonians are not actually leeching us
>>130455239
Dont believe him its just a catalonian roleplaying

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>>130455204
>one of best country in the world for startups
>wagecuck mentality
>says the guy from a country where most people literally can only be wagecucks because the government bars regular joes from starting new businesses with ridiculously high taxes

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>>130453925
Thanks man.
Look at pic related. These low iq trash castilians are like your walloons. Lazy retards and good for nothing.

>>130455177
That's not true man. The highest difference between how much people pay in taxes and how much they receive is in Madrid.

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>>130454171

MOSATROS

>>130436056
FC Barcelona

if there a bunch of leftist why not let them go? they can have there little communist "utopia" while the rest of spain is free from subsidizing a marxist shithole. sounds like a win win to me.

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>>130455633
I wasn't attacking Switzerland m8. To the contrary. The humourous thing is that someone living in such a great country for businesses would be so oblivious to how money works.
You're supposed to take the loaned money and make even more money with it. Thinking debt is just a burden is typical cammie/wagecuck delusion.

>>130455714
Are you retarded? Recently the marks of the PISA study were published and regions like Castilla y León for example had a much higher punctuation than Cataluña

>>130456024
This is /pol/. Proof means nothing if it doesn't fit your narrative or isn't a meme.

>>130456024

Likely thanks to immigrants.

Niggers and moors inevitably lower iq scores too

>>130455239
Spaniards are terrible people. They're the most selfish and arrogant people in all of europe. I've lived many years in Barcelona as an expat, and the way catalans are treated by the government would be absolutely scandalous over here, any canton getting that kind of treatment would have bailed ages ago. Catalonia is the fucking punching bag of spain. Spain is constantly doing everything they can to fuck the catalan economy. Construction work in Barcelona leaving a kilometre long hole in the city because central govt doesn't give a shit; the train line along the mediterranean, which has HUGE potential for freight trains from the industrial regions along the coast toward europe, is in an apalling state; central govt hasn't finished all the infrastructure around the main ports in Catalonia and Valencia so that businesses won't go there (yet they still prefer going there than madrid); central govt also tries to force airlines to fly from madrid even though demand is much higher in Barcelona... I could go on. There's gorillions such cases. And what is the spaniards answer? They try to blame catalans, when the Catalan government is bloody subordinate to the spanish government, ffs.
It's quite common for foreigners in Catalonia to favour independence, when you're a foreigner you look at it from a distance and notice these obvious patterns which spaniards just try to deny.

>>130456024
dont worry thats inmigrants fault, there are so many mudslims there that drows down, in ancien castille there no such many inmigrants so they are good, also catalonian are exactly the same as all spain just delusional faggots

>>130456142
I really should stop coming here but sometimes the laughs are too good, though this custom flag shit kind of fucked it up a bit

>>130456220
>Spain is leeching from us
>where's my railroad reeeeeeee

>>130456024
Are YOU retarded? What can't you understand of that pic you dumb baboon? Catalans came out on top of everyone in Spain. If Catalonia as a whole didn't score the highest is because subhuman castilians bring the score down.

>>130455968
But Catalonia doesn't ever "make money", because taxes are collected by central govt. That's where your whole """"logic"""" falls apart, you cuntface.
>Catalonia gets loan
>invests to favour industry
>industry takes off
>spanish govt reaps benefits
>doesn't reinvest in catalonia
>catalonia takes out another loan
>rinse and repeat

>>130440731
No fuck off. Basques and Catalonians are the most obnoxious faggots. Their entire history is fighting against being controlled by Spain because they have an obsession with self governance. Despite being protected by being in Spain territory, they would build their own ports to rob spain of controlling imports. They refused to pay taxes to spain and they would never fight in the spain army unless their specific part of land was being attacked. They're just selfish cunts, that want all the protection of Spain without giving anything back.
Franco should have finished the job.

>>130456220
shut the fuck jordi, we've been listening you so much time, just fuck the shuting up and go away

>>130456424
delusional faggot as always

>>130456220
> Shit in Spanish Catalonia doesn't get done

Dude. Shint in Spanish Spain doesn't get done either. It's Spain. Not Germany.

>>130456353
Eh. The flag thing is... difficult to asses. On one hand, it is true it has stopped low effort posts such as "poo in loo", but the whole concept of the board is based around nationalities and politics, so it feels kinda stupid.

Besides, new jokes will simply develop over the new flags. Instead of seeing "leaf" jokes, we'll see "retard ancap", "redead" or some other bullshit; and we'll be back at the beginning.

>>130456424
The basques have done more for spain than the Catalans have. Eat shit.

>>130456808
>the whole concept of the board is based around nationalities and politics
No it isn't, it's based around politics, period. We have /int/ for nationality-based discussion.


also
awww bump limit already, I was having fun triggering the moorish rapebabies

>>130456588
Typical of spanish retards. Can't argue with facts so make a lame excuse.
You are subhumans to us. Bye bye trash we will be better without you.

>>130456483
>taxes are collected by central govt
Not all. If you die in Barcelona your children get 15% of the inheritance (that's right, Cuckalonia gets 85%). They also get a chunk from the income tax and a few other taxes.
Keep in mind healthcare and education are paid by each CA.

>>130456932
There's a few, extremely few taxes that are collected by the region. The bulk is collected by central govt. you're just splitting hairs now because I completely BTFO'd your non-argument

>>130456923
Fair point. Still, new jokes and low-effort posts will still develop. Doesn't really change much,

>>130456411
We are opressssseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!
Everything is other people fault!!!!!!!!
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>130456888
Like what exactly you dumb spic? Typical of subhumans talking without saying anything.

>>130457064
I was getting extremely tired of
>DURR LEAF
>DURR POO IN LOO
I feel bad for leafs and poo in loos. Can't have an argument without some burger sperging out.
Maybe instead of flags there should be a pic of the poster. That way we could laugh at how cringy the autistic burgers here are.

>>130457080
They were the first to bring the industrial revolution to Spain and one of the first to start implementing workers rights.

They were some of the best ship builders in Europe.

They were relied on for a lot of the traveling to the Americas and bringing back goods.

>>130457065
>region is part of your country
>WHY DO THEY BLAME THE GOVERNMENT IF THINGS ARE SHIT
spaincuck logic

Spain will be a balkan shithole 2.0, your guys hate each other so much

>>130457419
>first to bring the industrial revolution to Spain
that was the catalans, dumbass.

>>130456932
What are you talking about nigger? Only 15%? How can you tell such a lie and be satisfied with yourself?

>>130456927
thinking catalonian is a race then thinking spain brings you down when you have more advantages that any other community then, wanting bring even more inmigrants, then say that "inmigrants in catalonia are not catalonian and they bring us down"

just shut the fuck up delusional faggot, you dont want truths and you wont recognize it, and good luck without forming a country and no having an army

>>130457520
>How can you tell such a lie and be satisfied with yourself?
by being a spaniard. they have no shame and no honor whatsoever.

>>130457497
>delusional faggot again

>>130457424
Why do they blame the central government instead the regional government?
Jordi posing as Mountain Jew logic.

>>130457419
Fucking dumbfuck subhuman.
Catalonia industrialized in the first half of the XVIII century (just like England), the Basque country and Asturias in the late XIX century, it took Franco to help Madrid build industries when he came to power and the rest of Spain in the sixties.
And Catalonia was the king of trade with America you retard.
Literally everything you said is a lie. Fucking subhumans always lying.

>>130457759
>why do they blame the highest authority and not an intermediate authority completely dependent on the central govt
don't know if trolling or just very stupid...

>>130457050
So what percentage of what they pay to Hacienda do you propose they should get back?
What's a reasonable return?
>>130457520
I just took it from this meme picture. Inheritance taxes are'n usually a flat rate, but "si cuela cuela..."

>>130457873
>completely dependent
Completely sure that you are lying scum.

>>130457918
>what they pay to hacienda
it hasn't even crossed your mind that regions can collect their own taxes and give to the central govt. an amount deemed reasonable by both parties. Goes to show your cunt mentality. This shit is why everyone hates you assholes.

>>130458033
>central govt threatens to suspend catalan autonomy
>DUDE THEY'RE NOT DEPENDENT LMAO