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Potential WW1 outcomes

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1: Early Entente Victory + Germany must perish!
-Russians take East Prussia in 1914, while the German Right Wing is cut of and destroyed by the French. Result is a crushing Entente victory in early 1915.
-As the UK contributed little to the victory it has little only a limited influence on the peace terms and is placated with colonies
-Many nations (Italy, Japan, turkey) never joined the war.
-National self-determination never became an Entente war aim.
-Plan of the French General Staff to dissolve Germany implemented.
-Large Russian conquests
-Prussia, Austrai and Hungria are preserved as multi-ethnic states, as Russia fears that smaller nation states might spark unrest among its own minorities and France sees them as a block against a German rebirth.
-France annexed Belgium and Luxemburg (the French General Staff contemplated this OTL)
-As the Entente has allready decided to be evil they go along with it and carve up the Portugese colonies
-Turkey is probably in for an other round of European demands in the near future.
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2: Late victory, but Russia still a full ally.
-Russia does slightly better and avoids the revolution. The war ends around 1917.
-Russia is the one nation that has its most important claim (Constantinopel) against the Ottomans. So they are treated even worse than OTL and this time the Entente is willing to fight it through against Atatürk.
-Russia supports French desires for the Left Bank of the Rhine and France supports Russias claims on East Prussia and Galicia.
-All of S-H is returned to Danemark
-Hannover is restored as a sub-state of germany to break the Prussian dominance of the Bundesrat.
-Poland is granted autonomy inside Russia
-A rump A-H survives (most Entente goverments supported this until very late in the war)
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3: Conditional German Surrender in 1916 + Machiavellist Britain
-Germany suffers worse military setbacks in 1916 and decides to sue for peace (but is still able to prolong the war by ~ a year)
-Britain tries to preserve Germany as a continental power as a counterweight to Russia and France. Germany loses only A-L in Europe. To allow the German goverment to return from Versailles with a minor diplomatic success, Central Kamerun remains German.
-For similar reasons (and to keep Russia out of the mediterrane) an rump Ottoman Empire is kept alive.
-Italy is still strong in 1916 (and groomed by Britain to balance French influence in the mediterrane) so it gets most of its claims.
-Japan and the UK use Russias faltering strength to increase their influence in China
-A-H carve-up mostly for a change, but reflecting better treatment of Hungary and Austria as an result of an earlier peace. (Bohemia-Galicia is my weired idea). Thinking it over A-H is more likely to survive under the conditions outline above, but the map is done.
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4: Early German Victory - Septemberprogram
-The Schlieffen-Plan succeeds and the war is over by Christmas. The German public is euphoric and demands large annexations but terms still have to be acceptable to the British and Russians (they can't really win anymore but still fight on for a few years).
-German demands follow roughly the Septemberprogram of 1914.
-As in 1) most nations aren't in the war by now (we could speculate about an opportunistic Italian attack on France but I decided to keep that out).
-A-H is still relativly healthy by now and manages to get Poland and integrate it as a third core nation.
-Belgium is under German occupation for undefined time
-Portugal gets Madagaskar in exchange for Angola
-No Easter Rising, so Home Rule works as intended
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5: Peace Conference New Years Day 1917 + Bethmann-Hollweg wins the powerstruggle
-Reichskanzler Bethmann-Hollweg manages to oust Admiral Tirpitz earlier and sidetrack Luddendorf to an command in the East. Using Hindenburg as a figurehead he gains full control over German politics and military.
-Unrestricted Submarine Warface is never tried (and of course no telegram to Mexico). As a result the USA stay neutral.
-In 1916 Germany launches a well orchestrated campaign, calling for an amrestice and a peace conference. The fall of Romenia, unrest in the French army and US economic pressure force the Entente to accept.
-As a result of the conference (in Washington to make Wilson look good) Germany withdraws from all occupied territories in exchange for smaller border corrections in Europe and French Congo & Gabun. Poland and finnland are recognized as independent states. Germany gets military and railroad control over the Belgian Congo (in exchange for symbolic payments) to link its colonies.
-More important is, that along with the League of Nations and European Economic Community, dominated by Germany is created. Some nations are forced to join, other tempted with favourable conditions (and in the case of Poland: West-Galicia; ailing A-H is willing to do almost everythink for an end of the war and German economic aid).
-Turkey gets Lybia as a consolation price, Japan is told to fuck-off.
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6: Late Bethmann-Hollweg / Solft / Wilson solution: A-L for colonies
-Same as above but Entente decides to continue the war and USA resolves to continue supplying them.
-Russian Revolution as OTL, but B-H decides to settle for a soft peace, to free up troops quicker and demonstrate Germanies desire for peace. (To calm the right, the Polish puppet goverment „agrees“ to cede some territory.)
-Troops from the East send Italy to the ropes, but B-H does not dare an all out offensive against France.
-With the people starving and A-H near the breaking point, the German goverment plays its last card: They offer to trade A-L (+ some concessions by its allies) for African colonies.
-When the next Entente offensive is a complete failure due to French army mutinies they are forced to agree.
-Belgium and Poland are free of German influence now
-Armenians and Arabs are granted autonomy in the Ottoman Empire
-Middle East still part of O-E but administrated by the UK
-Soviet Russia looms on the horizon as the new big bad.
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7: The Tirpitz Plan – Seperate Peace in the East
-In 1916 there were secret negotiations between Germany, Russia and Japan about a seperate peace.
Germany offered a withe peace to russia and Tshingtau + some islands to Japan. It was the brainchild of Admiral Tirpitz who wanted his back free for an allout war for world domination with the western Entente. ITTL it works.
-Also as Tirpitz demanded Germany has begun unrestricted submarine warface in 1915. The USA cries murder and declares war, but Wilson decides not to send larger forces to the Europan meat-grinder before the 1916 election. Instead the US test their strength by establishing an security zone in Northern Mexico.
-American forces come to late, as France is overrun in the spring of 1917. As German demands are inacceptable the UK and the French colonies fight on.
-This frees German ressources for increased submarine production and domestic needs. Food imports from Russia also help.
-The war drags on until 1920, as German Expeditionary Forces slowly push the Entente out of the Middle East. In the end the UK is forced to give in or face total economic collapse.
-Germany annexes Belgium and North East France and creates a large African Colonial Empire
-The Next Arms Race starts directly after the war.
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8: The Third OHL – Priority on the East & Stalemat in the West
-Might have happend, if Germany had been in a better shape in 1918 and fought the Western allies to a stalemat.
-Germany withdraws from Belgium & France for colonial concessions.
-Neutral Buffer in Venice
-Serbia eradicted and Montenegro cut of from the sea as per Austrians most aggressive considerations
-Poles screwed over
-Soviets (Luddendorf expected their victory) cut of from the Baltic and Black Sea (German coloured thing in Russia is not annexed but permanently German occupied). This were more or less the OHLs plans. Brest-Litovsk was allready a compromise with the moderates.
-Ottomans loose the Holy Land but are compensated with Russian territory.
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9: Wilsons Peace – Self Determination for everybody
-Germany overs a armestice as soon as Wilson proclaims the 14 points. Wilson blackmails Entente to accept. Not really realistic more to show his plans.
-Arab nations are put on the fast track to independence.
-German colonies consolidated into one big colony. Prevents tensions arrising by Germans meddling everywhere.
-Kerenski saved by western intervention
-Wilsonian Armenia
-Assyrian State
-Borders in Europa closer to ethnic distribution.
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10: Pope or Socialists – late war negotiations
-There were several attemps (by the Pope, the Socialist International, ...) to negotiate a peace without victor or defeated.
-Germany gives up E-L for the Congo and some Polish territory.
-Poland (the A-Hs actually offered Galicia if Germany would go for negotiations, toward the end of the war) and Lithuania are economically dependent on Germany and serve as a buffer toward Russia.
-trilateral solution in Austria
-Serbia and Greece paid of with parts of Albania.
-Ottomans loose the levante but keep Mesopotamia
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A shame the first one wasn't realized

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