Was Yugoslavia the pinnacle of Socialism? Should it reunite again?

No, fuck off and stop using shitty flags.

>>130431825
No and no

>>130431825
Yes and yes.

>>130431825
Neck yourself you piece of shit commie bastard

>>130433821
Pusi kur

Makedonija e za Jugoslavija

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>>130432425
This.

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>>130434087
HAHAHAHHAHAHAH
>commie degenerates actually believe this
HAHAHAHHAHA
>how's 6th grade treating you
AHAHHAHAHAHHAHA
>poor skinnyfat degenerate wants some gibs
HAHAHAHHAHAHA
kys you retarded faggot

>>130431825
>Was it a pinnacle of Socialism ?
It was a prototype of what socialism is supposed to be and how it supposed to work. Shame none cared
>Should it reunite again
It will, it just takes time for the nationalist rhetoric to cool off. The fascists always tried to separate us, we are one

Cмpт фaшизмy, cлoбoдa нapoдy !

>>130434813
larpflag degenerates need to be banned

>>130434663
>Ako im lizam gz na slovencite/hrvatskite fasisti ke dobijam validacija

Samo edgi tinejdzeri se protiv Jugoslavija

>>130434663
>tfw when your standard of living actually declines after communism collapses
>tfw when the only thing that kept your pathetic country from Albozergs was communism but you fags destroyed it
>tfw you're going to get overrun with albos

>>130434904
and fake countries should be dissolved

It relied on extremely cheap credit from western nations.

Once the USSR died off, the bailiffs came and the country collapsed.

>>130435020
it collapsed due to internal struggles, the economy had little to do with it

>>130434937
>implying I'm kissing ass to croatians if I'm against a degenerate ideology
murder yourself you high school faggot

>>130435099
Internal struggles almost always start due to the rise in prices of necessities.

The arab spring for example was primarily the result in a rise in food prices which started the domino effect into full blown revolutions.

Unless of course, you're just an idiot and didn't know that.

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>>130435011
>standard of living actually declines
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
AHAHHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAH
i would rather go dead than red you disgusting gypsy
i would break your jaw if you spewed this bullshit in front of me

>>130435201
Fuck off, everyone knows who starts colored revolutions and how.

>>130435201
You do know how Yugoslavia collapsed do you ? It had major ethical problems that it tried to hide for decades, after Tito died the problems rose back. Croats, Serbs, Bosniaks and Albos always had problems and always tried to exterminate each other

>>130435123
Seedno e dali e komunisticka ili kapitalisticka be trup

I ne e za gibz. Ako mozam da biram megju EU i reinkarnirana Jugoslavija bi izbral Jugoslavija

>>130435301
enjoy 300 euros a month
Still paying off your mortgage ? Or is it a double ?

>>130435443
Major ethnic problems that began to boil over due to the rise in prices of basic necessities due to an economic system that was propped up by western capitalist nations for geo-political reasons.

>>130431825
The only reason why it was successful was because USA was helping it with shitton of monay

>other countries in the world as an example

>>130435444
>a system in which the best/smartest/strongest get the most money is the same as a degenerate utopia that relies on a degenerate assumption that everyone should be given the amount of money he needs
yeah off yourself if you don't even know what the communist manifesto is you moron
kys you are not needed

>>130435608
Hey moron, the UK is propped up by blah blah. Germany is propped up by blah blah. Israel is propped up by blah blah. It doesn't fucking mean anything, unless you believe there are independent countries in the world.

>>130431825
No it was financed with american money and the money the diaspora sent from abroad

>>130431825

>Collapsed
I guess it didn't work, just like the rest of communism.

>>130435516
>implying
my life is as comfy as ever you degenerate
stay out of my country and i'll stay out of your fucking degenerate business

>>130435819
Not an argument.

Yugoslavia was propped up by cheap western credit, once the USSR collapsed its purpose as a nation was voided.

>>130435827

exactly what i said, and we wuz never communist country, "bratstvo i jedinstvo" was just a meme, i can get along with any nationality of ex yu countries but we are better with our own borders

Serbian myself

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>>130435301
It's not actually that unusual for economies to suck ass following Soviet collapse, contrary to the "capitalism iz freedom and democracy" paradigm.

>>130435516
>my life is comfy
>but the rest of the people are living in shit
MUHHH ANCAPPPP

>>130436020
I would rather be dead than red you degenerate
stay out of the balkan

>>130435956
You're fucking retarded m8

Yugoslavia started to dissolve in the mid 80s when the ethnic relations started to decline, the U.S support and aids stopped during early 70s. And Yugoslavia had bad relations with the USSR, we didn't trade with them nor did we receive any aid or credit. The collapse of Marxism-Leninism worldwide was just a trigger for all the shit that was building up in Yugoslavia for a literal decade, it had nothing to do with the collapse itself

The economic crisis that Yugoslavia suffered was minor, debt rose from 0% to 16% in some 10 years and it was deemed "crisis". Most of the debt was actually payed during the next 10 years or so. And the crisis itself was a world wide phenomenon, it was the 70s and the oil crisis was destroying everyone. Explain why the U.S didn't collapse if it suffered more economic decline than Yugoslavia ?

>>130431825
Tito was well liked and it was excellent place to live and work; but, like Canada in that they required no arms race.

I prefer the Empire at the start of WWII that would ally with NSDAP if the CIA and MI5/6 did not stage a Marxist coup to stop that righteous alliance.

Yes and No.

It will never reunite until we clean the South from Bosnians,Serbs etc.

>>130437027
What about mountain serbs and beach serbs though?

Only Serbs will defend Yugoslavia and say it should reunite as they were the country that benefited the most from it. A lot of financial resources from other federal republics went to Serbia.

>>130431825
Yugoslavia is the worst example of communism. They all end killing each other.

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Fuck off.
>>130433587
.t srbin

>>130437506
>yugoslavia was the worst example of an economic theory, they ended up dissolving for social reasons

kek

>>130437477
And only Slovenians will think everything in life is about money.

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>>130437477
Yep every penny from Ljubljana and Zagreb flowed back to Belgrade.

>>130437645
And only Croats will think that a country can work without money.

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>>130431825

>>130436557

Hahahahahaha, ethnic relations, yeah that was it, good work buddy.

Yugoslavia's mentality was that when you run out of money you can just print more, and judging by that flag, your mentality isn't much different.

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>>130437645
Now that Agrokor's fucked, all we got to do is close the highway border crossings over the summer period,
and your country goes bankrupt.

You really should care more about money, Croatbro.

>>130436040
If I purposefully burned my house to the ground right now, would you also hold
>>130435301
responsible for my new homelessness? What if I gambled away all of my money and had to live in a an absolute shithole with no healthcare? Should he also be forced to coddle me and protect me from my own stupidity?
This isn't always the case but you are really twisted if you think he has any obligation to protect the happiness of those outside his immediate family and friends. Forcing it through your gommunist ideology is fucked up.

>>130436040
Also
>the rest of the people are living in shit
According to https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/quality-of-life-full-list#

The UK ranks #12 which in the grand scheme of things is pretty good. You're being hyperbolic, most people are either fine or well off. You can find their methodology at the top of the page.

>>130433821
>>130431825
Macedonia looks like yugoslavias ballsack

>>130439359
> Canada first
> Sweden second

my sides

>>130431825
Pinnacle of Judaism more like. Restore the old borders and rule like Hitler wanted to, then eastern Europe would be good again.

>>130431825
Yes,
Croatians, FYROMians, and Slovenians would most likely disagree as they are the separatist cucks that lead to the fall of the economically stable nation that was Yugoslavia. However ask a Serb, Montenigger or Bosnian and they would support this.
Ofcourse most other countries surrounding yugoslavia at the time would agree.

>Greece and Bulgaria
>Pointless bastard nation of FYROM
>Fake use of the name "Macedonia"

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>>130440694
>economically stable nation that was Yugoslavia
This is bait.

>>130431825
>Was Yugoslavia the pinnacle of Socialism?
Yes, it was the pinnacle of a giant pile of shit.
Even the pinnacle of shit is still shit.

>Should it reunite again?
Fuck off, NO.

>>130440694
Yugoslavia without Slovenia and Croatia is nothing.

Yugoslavia without Serbia is paradise.

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>>130440694
>this fucking retard

>>130440694
> separatist cucks
how are we cucks for not paying for serbians economy? we are not cucks since we separated and not do it anymore.

>>130440966
Please prove otherwise

>Infrastructure and agriculture improvment
>Production and export boom
>Good relations with the US and USSR
>Improvment in sports with a god tier football team


But sure if you want to bitch about your conspiracies of neglect in some parts then go ahead.

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>>130441333
double triplets of truth

>>130441222
>>130441333
Trips of truth.

Bow down to eternal Slovene.

>>130431825

>Pinnacle of Socialism?
Yes, more democratic workplace control than the Soviets but had markets despite them being heavily regulated.

>Should it reunite again?
People living there are getting collectively tired of shitty post-Yugoslavia life so reunification is definitely a possible path.

>>130432425

sure croatia...go lick some german and italian ass..you are good with this kind of work..

>>130441474
Please, it was hardly an economic divide, more of a nationalist tension. You couldnt stand the Serbs and the Serbs couldnt stand the croats, main reason of the iminent fall of Yugoslavia. Macedonia merely fucked off during the riots and nobody gave a shit

>>130441534
we didnt want to pay for serbians economy. why dont you get it. close to the end of it serbs even tried to make non serbs second class citizens

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>>130441622
Wow, we did it again bro... double doubles when we referenced our triples
KEK blessing Slovenia

>>130437477
>this is what underages actually think
during tito's rule we suffered the most - our country got split not in half but in three parts, industry was transferred westwards (to croatia and slovenia), and money poured down to kosovo, bosnia and montenegro because they were underdeveloped... so no, we didn't gain anything from yugoslavia, in the end we lost so much from it

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>>130441878
He was always here.

>>130441952
>and money poured down to kosovo

>this is what serbs actually believe

Serbia fed off Kosovo for decades and is still butthurt that it cannot tap Kosovo's natural resources.

Stay pleb.

fuck turkgaria mate

>>130442315
it did, idiot. i'm not questioning what was further done with it, but yugoslavia was functioning like EU today - all poor areas were financed by money from the upper, richer parts

>>130442624
Nice insult.
The "rich" area of Yugo, namely Serbia, fed off of all other republics. If you have to compare it to the EU, it'd be a reverse EU.on it.

>>130442889
you're full of shit
every single republic in yugoslavia financed kosovo the most, including serbia
so you're the last one who could talk about feeding off someone

>>130442889
The EU is literally Germany feeding off every other state.

>Brexit
>Potential Grexit
>Marine Le Pen
>Spain, Portugal, Greece

Be serious

>>130443083
Whatever you say sllobodan.

>>130443179
While Germany does benefit enormously from trade within the EU, it also finances a lot of gibs and development of member states. Just look at Poland for example and their development through EU aid.

>ITT: 17 year old Chad from New Hampshire LARPing under a commie flag using google translate hoping to convince people he's from one of the ex-Yugoslav countries

>>130443677
>Whatever you say sllobodan.
you're free to research how yugoslavia actually functioned and get off your high horse and what others poisoned your brain with hillybilly propaganda stories about "muh serbia keepin' us down, muh serbia stealin' from us n shit"
also, albanians from kosovo loved tito

>>130443677
>Poland

Fuck Poland nobody gives a shit. They've completely destroyed countries that they havent even payed their war debts to.

>>130444057
Albanians love anyone who feeds them. Once your country's economy started to get shit in the 90's they chimped out.

>>130444374
tito even had plans for incorporating albania into yugoslavia so he was preparing albania by exporting all the products to it for low prices, that's why from all minorities he cared about albanians the most. but enver hoxha bit off the feeding hand once tito and stalin broke their relations and turned to stalin, with who he fucked up relations later too...

>>130441952

Typical, underages on the internet calling others underage.

If you really need to know, I am not underage and my parents have the same opinion and they have lived more years in Yugoslavia than Slovenia. And btw, Kosovo is your own fault, letting it go to Albroaches.

>>130444769
Tito did participate in the de-Serbicisation of Kosovo though. What less to expect from a communist Croat though?

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Not racist enough.

>>130431825
It should reunite but without communism.

>>130444928
what the fuck you're talking about, janez? you lived the best under yugoslavia, your country was the most developed one, tito made you the best industry which is still well and functioning, you profited the most for selling your products to the other republics... i don't understand how you can look bad at it, really

Tito's Yugoslavia was better than other commie nations but it still had tons of issues and without Tito it was impossible to hold together.

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>>130443677
Quick question: Which is a functioning state today, almost 20 years after the war and Kosovo's de facto independence; Kosovo or Serbia?

>>130440694
oh look. its a single Italian who weighs in on the relevance of Macedonia, while his country was really just a collection of city states up until the 1900s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy#/media/File:Italian-unification.gif

Hows that massive cultural division between north and south italy going for you?

>>130444998
yeah, he literally prepared kosovo for albania's annexation once yugoslavia brings albania as its next republic, he promised that to enver hoxha

>>130431825
From what I hear, it was better than most nearby countries and was somewhat more functional, but in some cases workers were inexperienced with industrial work so they just split profits and traded on the black market. Corruption was also something of an issue, though not as bad as Romania or the USSR. Is this accurate?

>>130445404
>Italian


Americans truly are morons

>>130445502
what's your opinion on the wars in Croatia and Bosnia and Kosovo? Did any of your family fight? I'm buddy's with a guy whos family are Krajina Serbs from Vukovar

>>130435020
Not unusual. A lot of small independent countries take large amounts of aid.

>>130445708
well i don't really have one since i didn't have any relative fighting in those wars, but i suppose we did fucked up some things there resulting to the state of today

>>130445308
Both, but I'm only speculating about Serbia.

>>130431825

Yugoslavia was only stable because Tito was able to get gibs from both east and west. When he died and the cold war ended the idiotic socialist organisation of the economy brought the whole thing down.

It was a country reliant on foreign aid to survive, surely the pinnacle of socialism

>>130446154
>He thinks Kosovo is a functioning state
Jesus F. Christ.

>>130445172

Well it's not personal, I can agree with you a little but you certainly can't say it couldn't have been better. It was holding back Slovenia's economy, the closed market wasn't enough.

BUT, I would like to see some kind of a Slavic union, just not with such retarded and corrupt system.

>>130446154
Been to both countries. Extremely neglected, hardly functioning. Kosovo gets some support for being in NATO but both states are yugoslav war ruins

>>130446370
>it couldn't have been better
it could, but you can't deny that tito was working for your and croatian interests mostly, he built all the countries from the war ruins, mostly focusing on yours and his. so i would say he did a good job, if you're looking on those two countries

>>130431825
No, and please kill yourself.

t. Czech who lost Slovenian family as a direct result of their fucked up control over the economy

>>130446434
It's ok. We've worked a lot and have a lot of work ahead of us. We're newly independent and trying to build up while under severe pressure from everyone. Once some legal matters are out of the way we should be juuuust fine.

>>130431825
It was, and it was still fucked up in the long run. Communism is shit.

>>130431825
Some political ideologies are better then others. But what makes most work is a good leader.

>>130431825
SOMEONE just downloaded Death or Dishonor DLC for HOI4 :P

>>130446705
Do you realise how sketchy that sounds? Being a person who has lived in the balkans and visited Albania, Kosovo and Serbia I can tell you that they are as close to a functioning state as thee Congo is to Switzerland

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>>130431825
Tito was revisionist scum

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I fixed Yugoslavia

you're welcome everybody

>>130446955
By all means elaborate.

>>130447050
> Tito the only man who was better than any other commie is a scum

whatever floats your mind,commie.

Now lets go for a helicopter ride.

>>130446677

Um, yes I can deny this shit easly. You Serbs always spin it off as you are the poorest victim. Please fuck off with this.
Yeah, thanks a lot, Tito, for building us a big ass DEBT that we're still paying off.

>>130446955

That's a bit of an exaggeration

The order of development there goes Serbia > Albania > Kosovo, and all of them are more developed than Ukraine

The Congo is way down in Africa tier, and the only European country that could maybe be placed there is Moldova

>>130445652
Even worse. A culture that was stuck in the stone ages until being dragged forward kicking and screaming, only to shit the bed over and over.
....

With that said. You win this round mick. I cant bantz today, and being color blind and culturally arrogant fucked me up on the flag ID. I'll get you next time you potato eating bastard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzKTK0024kw

...give me your belt.

>>130447358

> debt is worse than lack of development

Maybe we weren't the poorest victims, but you sure as hell weren't, no idea how you could even pretend so

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>>130431825
Yugoslavia was our biggest mistake

>>130447358
>Um, yes I can deny this shit easly. You Serbs always spin it off as you are the poorest victim. Please fuck off with this.
i'll repeat it once again through these simple questions:
has tito ever moved the most of your most profitable industry from your republic to the other ones?
has tito ever split your country in three pieces, and even creating more states and indoctrinating your people there to believe into a new identity, which was in contrast to yours?
was tito a serbian or croatian nationalist? who he fought agaist in WWI?

only because he chose belgrade as his capital doesn't mean that he preferred us and that we gained the most under him...

>>130447226
Serbia is a grim country that relies on its farmers and agriculture.

>All infrastructure is pre millennial era
>It looks like a war zone from all the american bombs, similar to bosnia
>There hasnt been any improvement in literally anything in the 21st century, tv shows, adverts, companies and buildings are exactly the same as they were in the 90s and look even shittier

>Kosovo is an unnecessary entity governed by NATO with an unstable parliament and the largest american military base in Europe

>Albania is trying to catch up with the rest of the Mediterranean holiday destinations with touristic areas hotels and sea fairing
>Albanias naval territory is extremely restricted
>Country is easily overlooked for Greece, Italy, Croatia or Montenegro which have a much more based system

>>130447739
serbia would get much less than that, just like italy did

plus ww2 would still happen and that would still be reversed

>>130447503
No worries yankee, im actually Greek, feel free to roast but I think ill survive

>>130448001
Your visit to Kosovo must have been very short and within 4 walls.

>>130431825
>Was Yugoslavia the pinnacle of Socialism?
Yes.
>Should it reunite again?
I don't care.

>>130448090
Italy would get Dalmatia and we wouldn't have a pointless conflict with them during the interwar period. We would also be spared political quarrels with the Croats. Most Muslims would be peacefully resettled to Ataturk's Turkey.

>>130447514

Lack of development? Hahaha, how ironic who's saying that. Yes, we were the most developed in Yugoslavia, you say it like it was some big standard.
Yes we had a lack of development and that was in Yugoslavia and compared to the REAL WORLD, not some shit low standards.

And yeah, 95% of people voted to leave Yugoslavia because we had such a great time.

>>130448393
It wasnt very memorable to say the least. Some of the historic aspects were quite interesting but those were hardly Albanian were they? I know i sound pretty incriminating but the only thing im trying to push here is a belief in progress

>>130448740
Incriminating? No. Very biased however.

Your Greek ancestry, however, explains it.

You're free to believe whatever you wish.

>>130449200
If this is about nationality id rather not start. Merely stating the my experience, I could have not visited albania in the first place but hey,
Denial is a hard sedative

>>130448117
cant take anything from the greeks, and they were the first to fight back against the EU. Though I see now why you have an opinion on Macedonia.

>>130448557
yes that's a nice fantasy, but in reality the western powers would draw the borders as they see fit, not as you want

>>130434556
that pic is unironically comfy as fuck

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I don't give a fuck about their economic policies, but they make excellent ethnic cleansers. A lot of insight can be gained by studying the yugoslav wars in preparation for DOTR.

Only good commie is a dead commie. Killing commies is the most noble and honorable thing a man can do.


America was at its greatest when we were removing the reds for fun.

>>130452353
lol americans, removing commies..
that's cute.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary

>>130452104
These two were complete idiots, who did more damage than good.

>>130452918
t. kosovar

>>130452918

No, Sloba was the idiot, he decided to withdraw the JNA and leave military control of Krajina to aging hillbillies, which then led to the success of Oluja and the stalemate in Bosnia becoming the status quo

>>130435011
>tfw when your standard of living actually declines after communism collapses

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA, kill yourself, uneducated commie, fucking 12 year olds

>>130453074
Milošević sold out the Krajina Serbs because he wanted to partition Bosnia with the Croats. Croatia couldnt function as a country without Krajina territory.

>>130453556

And then Tudjman double-crossed him, what a surprise

still makes him an idiot, the wars could have been over by the end of 1992. But I guess you never know what the interventionists would have pulled if that had gone ahead.

>>130454147
Tudjman sold out the Bosnian Croats for Krajina.

>>130431825
Yes, the pinnacle, and you saw the true face of it when it collapsed.
Why reunite countries that cannot even function as neighbour countries?
Fuckin dumb.

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THEY SAW US ROLLIN' THEY HATIN'

>>130456437
Most of those state owned companies couldn't compete in a modern global economy and relied on selling goods in third world non-aligned countries

>>130440694
yeah well we were working like niggers and paying for shit in south, while the rest were fucking around. Now we're buying our own shit with the money we make.

>>130457139
If Yugoslavia hadn't been created in 1918, Slovenia wouldn't exist today. You would be split between Italy, Austria and Hungary.

>>130456915

state-owned companies can compete, but these ones had workers' councils, which meant that idiot peasants had a voice in every decision of the company, screwing efficiency to hell and promoting cronyism and partisanship within the companies themselves

>>130457139

When it's said in English I realise that saying's about 200 years out of date, niggers haven't worked since emancipation

anyways it's no wonder when Tito's divide and rule policies put all the economic power in the west and all the bureaucratic power in the east

>>130447940
This is your miths that need to be debunked once for all

>has tito ever moved the most of your most profitable industry from your republic to the other ones?
Even in first Yugoslavia Croatia and Slovenia were the most economically developed. It was because the industrial revolution came there earlier than in Serbia

>has tito ever split your country in three pieces, and even creating more states and indoctrinating your people there to believe into a new identity, which was in contrast to yours?
The "spliting" of Serbia actually helped you more. Than on the Serbian unitaristic side there was Serbia proper, Montenegro, Vojvodina, Kosovo

On the decentralised side there was Croatia, Slovenia

The "swing states" were Macedonia and Bosnia

In the presidency you were always the majority thanks to this balance of power.

And dont get me in the 1980s Serbian protest. You were allowed to chimp wheras if other nationality would do this it would be declared as nationalism.

>was tito a serbian or croatian nationalist? who he fought agaist in WWI?
He was primarly a Yugoslaw nationalist who gave a lot of concesions to Serb-nationalist. The Serbians and Yugoslaws have in common to keep alll the countries together so there goes to common interest.
He was fighting primarly on the eastern front before being captured by the russians as a POW. As the russian revolution started he joined it and became a commie.

>>130456915

I'm not a commie. I believe in a mixed economy where the recognition that markets are objectively superior when it comes to allocating resources prevails. Although the workers cooperatives were inefficient in the end and would rightly not be able to compete in todays global economy, the map is meant to illustrate that the total picture of the federation is one of entrepreneurial endeavors in all republics showcases to best side of the old Federation - putting the corruption and briberies to the side of course. But that is a product of institutional failures and the rule of law - which was evident in ALL communist societies.

>>130457729
The communists from Montenegro, Kosovo and Vojvodina always voted against the Communists from the remainder of Serbia from 1974 to 1988. In fact, Serbia couldn't function as a Republic because of vetoes from Vojvodina and Kosovo.

>>130431825
>Was Yugoslavia the pinnacle of Socialism?
Yes, which only shows how shitty socialism is.
>Should it reunite again?
No. It was a cool idea, but it was badly implmented and now it's too late.

>>130457729
>It was because the industrial revolution came there earlier than in Serbia
and what he did was to screw serbia more and he moved industry that was mainly stationed in serbia, to croatia and slovenia. you can't debunk this, because it's true.

>The "spliting" of Serbia actually helped you more. Than on the Serbian unitaristic side there was Serbia proper, Montenegro, Vojvodina, Kosovo
no it didn't. it helped tito and his commies to dissolve us, to forbid returning of the serbian refugees on kosovo, to introduce new education system in montenegro, macedonia and bosnia for the purpose of brainwashing the masses to believe they have separate identities, to give almost equal rights for decision to vojvodina and kosovo like every other republic has (state in a state) and to advocate them to self-govern themselves which led to conflicts and opposing the mainland serbia...

>And dont get me in the 1980s Serbian protest. You were allowed to chimp wheras if other nationality would do this it would be declared as nationalism.
>what is MASPOK

>He was primarly a Yugoslaw nationalist who gave a lot of concesions to Serb-nationalist.
bullshit, he was a croat nationalist who fought against us in WWI and who later when he drew the new borders of the republics gave you the most advantage by annexing to you istria and parts of syrmia which were actually never yours.

i think that all were the clear signs that he wasn't a serb nationalist AT ALL, and therefore you're full of shit

>>130456437
> no Cockta anywhere on map
???

>>130457729

> having a bigger say in the running of the innately broken communist republic was worth the subversion of Serbian unity

Titoist ethnically-based divide-and-rule philosophy was responsible for every problem the country had, if he had wanted to make it actually last, divisions would have been smaller and less ethnically-clear, and it wouldn't have been as centralized. It was a communist dictatorship like any other, just more cleverly run.

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>>130458607
>and what he did was to screw serbia more and he moved industry that was mainly stationed in serbia, to croatia and slovenia. you can't debunk this, because it's true.
He did not move any industry. Even according your own historians Serbian and Serb populated areas were mostly agricltural. The real industrialisation of thoose areas started after WW2.

The only part before WW2 who had at least some infrastructure were (northern) Croatia and Slovenia, so when they got the the same procees as you they were still one step further (here is a pic related to illustrate the situation)

>no it didn't. it helped tito and his commies to dissolve us, to forbid returning of the serbian refugees on kosovo, to introduce new education system in montenegro, macedonia and bosnia for the purpose of brainwashing the masses to believe they have separate identities, to give almost equal rights for decision to vojvodina and kosovo like every other republic has (state in a state) and to advocate them to self-govern themselves which led to conflicts and opposing the mainland serbia...
>what is MASPOK

A good example. Back than when MASPOK was actuall in the 70s it was mainly the communists of Serb etnicity and their cucks from other republics who started the purge again Savka and Tripalo.

The student leaders of MASPOK were heavily punished for their activities. That was not the case for the Serb chimpouts protests from 80s.

>bullshit, he was a croat nationalist who fought against us in WWI and who later when he drew the new borders of the republics gave you the most advantage by annexing to you istria and parts of syrmia which were actually never yours
It is true for Istria, but than again he settles a lot of your Serbs there. As a result Istria and Rijeka are today the most left-wing parts of Croatia. Even modern day Serb politicians from Croatia like Peđa Grbin or Željko Jovanović are descendant of thoose settlers and both of them were ministers (to be continued)

>>130461490
>syrmia
It is historically ours. we got it in the 18th century with the peace of Srijemski Karlovci

>i think that all were the clear signs that he wasn't a serb nationalist AT ALL, and therefore you're full of shit
He was not necesarly but gave them a lot of concessions. Think about Ranković or the fact the Serbs were heavily overpresented in the police and administration of SR Croatia

>>130461490

Vojvodina is (and was, technically) part of Serbia, and his statement holds true for that region, though.

As to that last point, I would say that Tito was mostly interested in his own power, which, perhaps not intentionally but merely because of the political reality of the situation, had to have Serbia weakened.

>>130462118
Vojvodina never had serb majority, only until way after WW2. Hungarians were the biggest ethnic group, and Hungarians along Germans were above 50%.

Not a coincidence that its the most livable part of Serbia even today.

>>130461490
>Even according your own historians Serbian and Serb populated areas were mostly agricltural. The real industrialisation of thoose areas started after WW2.
yes, but there was some industry made in interwar period which either disappeared or was later rebranded and stationed in croatia. tito didn't show any efforts for industrializing serbia, macedonia and other republics as much as he did for croatia and slovenia

>A good example. Back than when MASPOK was actuall in the 70s it was mainly the communists of Serb etnicity and their cucks from other republics who started the purge again Savka and Tripalo.
but you're forgetting the one thing - while tito was alive, EVERY protest ended badly and yours wasn't an exclusion. but unlike every other protest before it, you fail to mention that protests actually succeeded in the end with the new 1974 constitution that tito decided to make

>It is historically ours. we got it in the 18th century with the peace of Srijemski Karlovci
well maybe in your parallel reality, but it really wasn't. vojvodina, together with syrmia was never croatian.

>It is true for Istria, but than again he settles a lot of your Serbs there.
he didn't settle them, they settled themselves for the sake of better living standard. the same happened in slovenia.
that's how much tito cared to make us here to live as good as you...

>Think about Ranković or the fact the Serbs were heavily overpresented in the police and administration of SR Croatia
no, it's not because he advocated us, it's because we were proportionally the most numerous nation in yugoslavia. remember that there were many serbs living in croatia before the yugo wars

>>130462746

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Vojvodina

That is absolutely not true, in fact the Serbian population was at its lowest in 1900 and even then we still had a plurality

>>130462118
>Vojvodina is (and was, technically) part of Serbia, and his statement holds true for that region, though.
It is true that Vojvodina is Serbia yet back than when the industrialisation stated the Serbs did not have the apsolute majority there.

And even in the adminisatration of SR Croatia where they have had only 12-15% at peak they were overrepresented in the administration and police.

MASPOK leaders from the 70s were heavily punished for their activities which was not the case for the 1980s anti-beraucratic revolutionatiers.

The train Beograd-Bar was subisided by money from croatian emigrees. On other hand the road Split-Zagreb was declared as "nationalistic megalomany".

If this is not evidence that Serbs were not weakened in Yugoslavia than I do not know what it is.

Also, small interesting fact. Back in the 70s when MASPOK was still actuall president Nixon visited Croatia and said in his speech about "Long live Croatia". This caused a lot of chimpouting from the Serbs dominated communists. Nixon himself was a fan of Croatia.

>>130431825
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yes, and yes.

>>130462746
>Vojvodina
Sorry, I meant Bácska. Serbs were the biggest ethnic group, but only around 33% percent.

What I meant that they were not that influential to the region.

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>>130431825
I think we should just genocide all Bosniaks and Albanians, and split it up between Serbia and Croatia. Afterwards we can make up our minds what we want further.

>>130441752
Of course a mountain kike said this.

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>>130434556
> Baka makes you fasci kolači
Hvala baba, volim te.

>>130463156
>the Serbs did not have the apsolute majority there
you don't know what you're talking about

see >>130463060

>>130463156
>buttblasted little ustaša
fun fact: if you put together five or six lies doesnt make them any more true than just one.
>overrepresented serbs, muh monies, maspok
remind me again what was the nationality of josip broz tito?
not that i am complaining. if everyone voted for (croat) ante markovič, none of this shit would have happened, and yugoslavia would have remained whole.

>>130463156

Political power doesn't really have anything to do with the situation, because it doesn't show the true strength of a people. Serb territory was not developed as much as western areas and Serbs were demographically suppressed as well.

Under the Communist rule, Albanians were allowed free reign to abuse Serbs in Kosovo, and Serbs lost their majority status in Bosnia. Suppressive Yugoslav anti-national propaganda had the biggest effect on Serbs by definition, seeing as we were the largest ethnic group by far and still, on average, the most religious and nationalistic of the lot. Meanwhile, funding from the western republics went not towards further development in Serbian areas but towards general social programs and subsidies to existing firms.

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So was Tito a Commie traitor? I hear people like him for some reason...

>>130465845
Most Commies hate him,even these Neo-Commies don't even mention him but only those other shitty commies who done worse.

Tito wasn't a real socialist/communist by others standards. (and taking account how Stalin disliked him).

I can bet if you ask a random 25y old commie on who is Tito,they will have no clue or will say he is a traitor or not a real communist.

>>130431825
They are going to be reunited by the EU anyway as German economic slaves Slav.