Why don't you meditate, /pol/?

>>130399079
How?

>Genuine questron

I mean technique, setting, etc

In this fucked up techno-narcissistic info babble age we live in

>>130399361
step 1 is learning to passively observe your thoughts. close your eyes and just observe. guard against getting sucked into your thoughts.

step 2 is concentration meditation. lots of variations on this exist. you can concentrate on your breathing. on a mantra. on positive affirmations ("loving kindness" meditation). again, be on guard for getting distracted.

step 3 is totally clearing the mind of all thought.

Also helpful is the notion of mindfulness throughout the day. Being aware of unwanted thoughts. E.g. if you're at home and thoughts of work intrude. The goal is to recognize that the mind is subservient to the will, and that you can control this stuff through practice.

Because meditation was spread by the ussr as a way to weaken western society.

>>130400015
>>130399361
The way that you sit doesn't matter. You just want to be comfortable but not so comfortable that you fall asleep. No need to worry about shit like lotus position or funny hand gestures ("mudras").

>>130399361
'Mindfulness meditation' is the most popular type that isn't weird eastern mystic chakra stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpiw2hH-dlc

Too busy having this panic attack for all that

>>130399079
>Why don't you meditate, /pol/?

I meditate.

What profits does it give?

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>>130399079
I already do, usually for 15 minuets per day. It would be ignorant not to recognize the health benefits.

>>130399079
I have problem calming down and focusing. I would like to learn but it seem so hard

>>130400875
I think the hardest part is developing the willpower to decide that you're going to do it.

>>130399079
Because i don't dream about my goals i act on them

>>130399079
I have insomnia, so the hours I spend sitting in bed before falling asleep could be considered meditation.

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>>130399079
No LARP cunts, I am a white nationalist that meditates.

I strongly agree with OP. Meditation is a hack that works. It is so hard to do every day but I do it as much as I can. I found that the more I do it the more control I have over my thoughts and reaction to phenomena - which helps me to contribute to the 1488 cause.

Our people and culture and nations are dying so it is important that we keep a cool head over the coming years. All white nationalists should meditate (as well as lift).

One of the benefits also of meditation is that it gives you additional insight into consciousness. You realize that the conscious "you" is different than the part of your mind that generates thoughts. I remember being unnerved when that dawned on me initially.

>>130399079
meditation is so BORING. i would prefer almost anything to sitting around staring into space trying not to think. thinking is literally why i have a brain and as long as my brain works i am going to do as much fucking thinking as i can.

>>130400657
Peaceful mind.

>>130401280
excercise

This doesn't count as meditation?

>>130399361

Meditation is basically NOT THINKING. Which is difficult to do, but there are tricks to getting over that initial hump. Give your mind something to do besides thinking.

A basic technique that worked for me is to take a hot bath first, then lay down like the pic in OP so your spine is flat. Then clench and unclench your individual muscles starting with your toes and working your way up, while concentrating on that feeling in your muscles after they unclench.

Also another thing that worked for me that I stumbled upon by accident was a hair dryer, the sensation airflow and the white noise give your brain neutral stimulation. Zones me out QUICK. But I may be predisposed to this working so well because when I was a child I would pass out in the car on the way to Kindergarten with my face near the vent during Winter, so my brain knows to go into some alpha wave zone or something.

>>130400968
Yeah. To force one self to be still and not tihnk too much. I don't really know what that mean desu. Just observing thoughts. There are so many so trying to observe is like activity thinking about it.

>>130401768
This is good ideas, thanks anon. I've been thinking how I probably come in that meditative state when I take a shower and tried to imitate that feeling in my every day. I guess it is some kind of mindfulness.

>>130401286

Lifting + meditation = ubermensch

It really is an amazing combination. There was a period of time when I lifted&meditated regularly and I was extremely calm, focused, disciplined, clear-thinking, effective, etc. It really is amazing. I'm starting to get back in that rhythm recently.

>>130401847
If you calm yourself and close your eyes, you will realize that thoughts just sort of pop into your mind. To give an example of "just observing your thoughts", you might randomly think about a work project that you need to do. You note it and then go back to just sitting. Then something entirely different might pop up. To contrast with getting sucked into our thoughts, you continue thinking about your work project. About how you need to do X, Y, and Z tasks. About how your coworker isn't pulling his weight. And about how stressed that makes you, etc. And next thing you know you've spent the past 5 minutes ruminating on work without realizing it.

>>130399079
I have autism so I meditate/daydream on default.

>>130401428

How do I explain this... Meditation helps you think better. Thinking constantly snarls your neurons, leading to more racing thoughts and ultimately negative self-destructive thoughts and impulses. Meditation allows your mind to smooth out those neurons, metaphorically. As a thinker you will love the results if you can get into the habit, I promise you.

>>130401280

Your insomnia is caused by racing thoughts, thinking while laying down is not meditation. If you practiced meditation your brain wouldn't be so out of control and likely cure your insomnia.

>>130401768
I think There are link-backs to the womb that tend to dissipate with age.

Parents took many road trips while preggers with me: Result? Me Prone to falling asleep when a passenger in a vehicle. White noise, road hum etc

My cousin used to swim while preggers and nearly drowned one time. My second cousin is terrified of water to this day
>>130401768
Hair dryer is your example

>>130399079
Faggot shit. I find peace holding my AR or my Mossberg 590.

>>130401354

I learned about a lady recently who had to have her brain cut in half in order to stop her constant seizures. Basically her left and right brain weren't able to talk directly to eachother anymore. Anyway one of her hands started acting on its own freewill sometimes. Alien Hand Syndrome, I think its called. When she was cussing, or smoking a cigarette, or drinking, it would hit her, just slap her across the face. Her hand was being controlled by the part of "her" that wanted her to be a better person, but it had been previously overpowered by a part of "her" from the other side of the brain.

In a way, meditation is a form of renegotiating that Self.

>>130402608
On the other hand, as our bodies age, the same must happen to our brains/mind.

The fuckery of youth is left behind as societal pressure and expectations accumulate in our beans. . .

>>130400058
>Because meditation was spread by the ussr as a way to weaken western society.

Hurr durr.
Not sure why they'd focus on mediation of all things to weaken western society, seeing as the west has done a pretty good job of destroying itself. Meditation is not a foreign notion to Europeans anyway.

i wanna have kids but i cant imagine ever getting any alone time to meditate and workout and remain cool and calm to be a good dad

id need a wife who didnt lose her shit taking care of the kids while i was taking alone time

i dont think they exist anymore

>>130402608

Well the hair dryer thing isn't a womb thing, its just I would be asleep while being dressed and put in car before kindergarten, not awake but not asleep. The airflow/noise triggers that wave pattern of being super relaxed and not thinking.

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>>130399079
In Finland we call that saunaing ... its the best place to relax and clear your mind

>>130402376
No you're just Finnish

>>130402035

So the sensation of the water hitting your skin is giving your brain something to focus on and not-think.

Come to think of it that has maybe worked for me for moments at a time in the shower when I zone out instead of soaping up.

Try the hair dryer trick see if it works for you too.

>>130399079

I meditate everyday. I used to suffer from intense anxiety, but meditation helped reduce my anxiety. Meditation is the best medication. One of my goals related to meditation is for me to awaken my siddhis. My only goals in life are to become the world's first real super-hero and then to achieve moksha. My super-hero name will be 'Dragon Man' (because I'm a Dragon, according to the Chinese zodiac). I am training right now to awaken my siddhis.

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>>130403560

In the ancient Sanskrit language of India, the word 'siddhi' means 'perfection'. In its most common usage, the word 'siddhi' refers to an ability that is a natural and inherent faculty of our true identities as eternally alive souls. The soul is smaller than an atom and larger than the universe. The soul is infinitely small and infinitely large. The soul is ALL-PERFECT AND EVER-PERFECT. The soul is the storehouse of ALL ENERGY, ALL POWER AND ALL STRENGTH. The soul is PURE CONSCIOUSNESS. The soul possesses ALL siddhis and there are an INFINITE number of siddhis. Among all of these siddhis, there are considered to be eight major siddhis. Siddhis can be awakened through a variety of methods. In Patanjali's Yoga Sutras IV.1, it is stated:

"Siddhis may be attained through birth, the use of herbs, incantations, self-discipline or samadhi."

Here is a list of the eight major siddhis (in no particular order):

Laghima siddhi: Making your body and/or anything else as light as you want.

Garima siddhi: Making your body and/or anything else as heavy as you want.

Mahima siddhi: Making your body and/or anything else as large as you want.

Anima siddhi: Making your body and/or anything else as small as you want.

Prapti siddhi: Having unrestricted access to any and/or all places.

Prakamya siddhi: Fulfillment of whatever you desire.

Isitva siddhi: Control over any and/or all of the laws of nature.

Vasitva siddhi: Being able to control any and/or all beings.

"A man is a god in ruins. When men are innocent, life shall be longer, and shall pass into the immortal, as gently as we awake from dreams." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

>>130402303
Thanks. You're a good anon. How about having a song stuck in the head instead? I just tried meditating and didn't think about anything but then my mind got stuck on the tune "Everybody sing this song doh dah". It's like my mind must find something to get stuck on.

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>>130403583

We ought to remember who and what EVERYONE REALLY IS - Pure Consciousness (which is INFINITE AND ETERNAL) experiencing life in a temporary human form. You can do ANYTHING YOU WANT TO DO and you can be ANYTHING YOU WANT TO BE. They want us to think that the average person is powerless to positively change the world, but the TRUTH is that we have INFINITE POWER - both individually AND collectively. There's only one of us here. If you hit yourself on the head with a baseball bat, they'll put you in a mental hospital, yet that's EXACTLY what people are doing on a global scale. You can call Pure Consciousness 'God' if you want, but I don't because the word 'God' has religious connotations that I would rather avoid. Religion is the McDonald's of spirituality.

What we need to do is to raise our level of consciousness, both individually AND collectively. If even one person raises his or her level of consciousness, it has a ripple effect that benefits EVERYONE ELSE, even if they don't believe any of this stuff - and this is because 'reality' itself is HOLOGRAPHIC in nature. One of the ways that they have manipulated us so deeply for so long is by suppressing our sense of the possible. What we call 'reality' is COMPLETELY ILLUSORY and thus MALLEABLE - and they KNOW THIS, while most other people do NOT. EVERYTHING IS ILLUSORY, EXCEPT PURE CONSCIOUSNESS ITSELF. NOTHING is impossible in a universe that is ILLUSORY TO BEGIN WITH. People are AWAKENING to a MORE EXPANDED CONCEPTION of the world and life in general and this is a PROFOUNDLY GOOD THING. We owe it to our innate intelligence to QUESTION EVERYTHING and that includes EVERYTHING that I tell you. We have the power to transform this prison illusion into a PARADISE ILLUSION, so let's USE that power.

>>130403518
Exactly. Some times I just find my self showering for minutes without doing anything. I try to find that state. And I think I had the same experience with hairdryer. There is something with the sensing on the skin that calm one down.

>>130403246
Only takes about 10 minutes to get a decent transcendental meditation in. On my way home from school/work I used to just park my car in a quit spot, get comfortable and meditate there if I knew that doing so at home wasn't going to be an option

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>>130403928

We're all one - and the beauty of this is that we don't have to be cucks despite this fact (and it IS a fact). We can STILL protect Western Civilisation and save the white race from extinction. We ought to embrace nationalist principles to protect Western Civilisation and save the white race from extinction even while REMEMBERING who and what WE REALLY ARE - Pure Consciousness (which is INFINITE AND ETERNAL) experiencing life in a temporary human form. Our TRUE STATE, our TRUE NATURE and our TRUE IDENTITY is Pure Consciousness and Pure Consciousness is ALL-PERFECT AND EVER-PERFECT. We are SIMULTANEOUSLY one yet different in our oneness in much the same way that the waves of an ocean are one with that ocean but are also unique in and of themselves in that each wave has its own shape, speed and size. I think that's pretty neat. What we call 'reality' is HOLOGRAPHIC in nature, so we are in fact smaller versions of the whole (which you can call 'God', if you want). Every part of the whole contains the whole and, to be more accurate, IS the whole. And just as a drop of water contains the same qualities as an entire ocean of water, we likewise contain all that exists within us - but merely on a smaller scale. From unconditional love we ALL sprang and to unconditional love we ALL return. There is no death, only transference of consciousness. There are no answers, only choices. There are no hallucinations, only shifts in perception. There are no laws, only habits. There are no coincidences, only synchronicities. There are no truths, only experiences. There is no separateness, only oneness. Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but my message shall NEVER pass away. The message is more important than the messenger.

>>130403796
IMO it's best not to jump into meditation by trying to think of nothing. Instead, try to be curious. When a song like that gets caught in your head, try to figure out why it is caught in your head. What is its nature? What causes your mind to ruminate on it? When you feel an ache, what is the nature of the ache? Where does it come from? Who aches? When you feel bored, what is the nature of boredom? etc.

Alternatively, you may note that you feel or notice X, and then return to your object of focus.

Trying to dive in with the goal of thinking about nothing is so difficult because you lack any object of focus.

>>130403583

I don't even believe all that shit but I can tell you one reason I stopped meditating is that I had what felt like the beginnings of an out-of-body experience and it scared the shit out of me. I could feel myself start to separate from my body, like pulling your hand slowly out of warm water into cold air.. like the water line would be equivalent to my body. I didn't go all the way out, I freaked out and snapped back in and sat up.

Meditation did help me with anxiety, controlling my thoughts, focusing my will. It only takes like 15 minutes you don't have to do it for hours.

>>130399361
Literally just focus on your breath and pay attention so you don't get distracted. If you have a thought pop into your head, stop and focus back on your breath. You can stand or sit or be walking it doesn't matter

>>130403796
The mind chatters, probably because of evolution, if it became quiet it'd mean it was unaware of its surroundings and any potential things to worry about. For example, am I going to starve? Is there a predator around? Do I have shelter prepared?

But when you're safe, whether 100,000 B.C. or in 2017, your mind really can take some time to silence and calm. Then you can return to thinking with more clarity. Temporarily. You need to meditate daily and whenever your mind is becoming clouded with thoughts.

It's a great life hack. There's research that has been done that shows the brain enters alpha (I believe is the term) waves during proper meditation, while 99% of the time the mind operates at beta.

THREAD THEME: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIFXdYEUSVw

>>130401768
>Meditation is basically NOT THINKING
This is a meme. at least in the buddhist context outside of zen buddhism.

Meditation is more about affirming everything that comes into your peripheral vision without giving opinion or additional "thoughts" about the phenomena. By acknowledging and being mindful of the phenomena that comes to you, phenomena as in thoughts, sensation, and ect, you start to realize two things about the nature of reality.

The first is that of emptiness. Now in buddhism emptiness does not mean "nothing" in our context. All it means in the buddhist sense is that it is without essence; that it does not really have a phenomenological characteristic that we usually see it as. In other words, we start to view reality with no opinion, and once we have no opinion, or in other words no attachment, we understand the second nature of reality: impermanence

Impermanence is a given. It just simply that the nature of phenomenology, and thus your entire world, is never lasting. And once this is done, there is sort of a neat sense of bliss that comes from these understandings. You start to feel extremely aware and attentive along with a sense of bliss and empathy. Really neat experience for anyone that is interested in meditation. Consider looking into buddhist meditation and philosophy

>>130403961
Thats a good idea. I'll certainly keep that in mind. I know I function much better after doing a 15 minute TM in the morning.

>>130403957

Cool dude give it a shot. Also do the clench/unclench/concentrate on the feeling in your muscle after you unclench.

One weird side effect is that lifting weights became super relaxing for me, I wouldn't get pumped up and gung ho, I would get completely relaxed like lifting heavy weights was a massage, really interesting.

>>130403969
Thank you for posting this pasta I love it every time I see it

>>130403796

Song stuck in head would definitely NOT work for me. The humming/mantra shit doesn't work for me either. Everybody's brain is different though.

>>130404113
I depressed from my body until I was floating about 1ft over my body at a 90degree angle looking down at my physical body. It was a very strange thing like a child first stepping into dark woods, a little scary but I lost focus and was pulled back into my shell. I also noticed that my "spirit" form was a light blue color. Really cool experience

>>130404572
*detached

>>130404113

>I don't even believe all that shit

It is not about belief, but whether or not it is true. The law of gravity is true whether anyone believes in it or not. In the same way, siddhis exist (whether you call them 'miracles', 'psychic powers' or something else).

>Meditation did help me with anxiety, controlling my thoughts, focusing my will.

Meditation helped me with all of those things too. Meditation is literally the 'pause button' of life itself.

>It only takes like 15 minutes you don't have to do it for hours.

I completely agree with you. I usually meditate every morning as soon as I wake up only for about 30 minutes, that's enough for me to benefit for the rest of the day.

>>130404258

Nah why pre-load your mind with bs from buddhism, zen buddhism, hinduism, etc. Just meditate without all that baggage. I'm coming at this as a pragmatist.

>>130399079

become i dont want to be at risk of possible demonic possession. Thanks.

>>130399079
Because it causes people like in that pic to collapse and it looks like he forgot his life alert.

>>130401768
meditation is thinking, it is a technique to hyper hone your attention about the present state you are in without judgement

you are describing a relaxation technique, not meditation

you should sit fully upright so you are attentive and concentrating on something present

>>130399079
Everyone meditates with varying awareness.
The eye can't see itself but it can observe its own activity.
Aided by a mirror the eye sees the outer surface, never the inner workings.
In short, meditation is contemplating what you are NOT.
Without a difference between inner and outer the mind can't function.
Shutting off the mind briefly reveals a blank overexposed image.
Maintaining gradient between inside and outside happens continously, as naturally as breathing or taking a shit.

Meditation is to prayer what masturbation is to copulation.

>>130404082
I think I succeeded for a while. Calmly observing the thoughts. Noticed how when I moved my focus around through my body it "felt" like a it was a focus point that moved around. A bit interesting form of awareness that I hadn't thought about before.
How soon does it become easier to just sit down and start meditating right away?

>>130404572
That sounds awesome. When I was young and really really anxious I'd meditate for 30-60 minutes at night in total darkness. After doing it for what I think was a few weeks I remember one night feeling like I was coming apart from myself, a very strange feeling, and I chickened out and opened my eyes.

I've never had an experience like that since, but I've never meditated that long consistently in total darkness since.

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i rather pray if it counts

>>130404142

Wait a second. If that is meditating then i spend a lot of time doing it. It isnt hard at all to think about nothing? wtf.

I think to get significant benefits of meditation you need to do about 45 minutes a day for about 3 months

I usually do a week of 30 minutes then stop
very hard routine to get into

>>130404572
>>130404636

I'm saying I don't believe in any of that, didn't come into the experience with some expectation of it or bias, it accidentally happened and thoroughly shook my understanding of the world. If it happens again I will try to go with it, maybe now I won't be so surprised I'm shocked out of it. Just started meditating recently accidentally using a hydro-massage table. I feel great mentally just from a little bit, I'm going to get into a routine.

>>130404196
What kinds of effects does this life hack come with?

>>130404823
>How soon does it become easier to just sit down and start meditating right away?
what do you mean?

>>130404339

You're welcome.

>>130401768

>Meditation is basically NOT THINKING.

No, meditation is NOT about NOT THINKING. This is a Western misunderstanding of what meditation is really about. What meditation is really about is FOCUSING your mind, NOT emptying your mind of all thoughts. It's impossible for the average person to empty his or her mind of all thoughts, since the very NATURE of the mind is to think thoughts. So what meditation is about is SILENCING the 'chatter' of your mind, because the average person's mind is CONSTANTLY immersed in many thoughts - each of which appears in that person's mind WITHOUT that person's control. So what expert meditators do is that they make their mind ONE-POINTED when they meditate. What this means is that they think ONLY ONE THOUGHT while they're meditating (to the exclusion OF ALL OTHER THOUGHTS) and they keep this single thought in their mind for a prolonged period of time (like an hour, for example). The single thought should be something simple (like a white dot, for example). This technique is about DISCIPLINING your mind.

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the weirdest thing it can immediately do for you is cure pain

like if you have a headache, instead of taking advil, sit and meditate but the trick is to put all your attention on the pain
the more you concentrate on the pain, the less it hurts

>>130404846
Yes I feel like I go through stages when meditating. Once I've been sitting calming my thoughts for 15-25 mins, that inner space will start to vibrate very rapidly almost like my entire conciousness is inside a tornado, if I can get past that stage and still remain in the present moment it's almost like you break through a barrier, and meditation becomes super silky and easy and that's when you can "move around" in your conciousness and go places and out of your body. When you come back to reality it's like you just had the best nights sleep feeling really refreshed and light.

>>130404666
satan agrees.

and if you were really a pragmatist you would look into it because it would help you take away something when you meditate.

>>130405096
For me it reduces anxiety and stress. I also plan out my day and the sub-plans for the things I need to do. I kind of cheat and if I think of something that will make my day more efficient, or something important, I write it down then go back to meditating. That's during the morning when you've got a lot on your plate, at night when you've got nothing to do you can just meditate and enjoy the happy chemicals your body gives you.

>>130405204
>vibrations
yes. i really want to understand what Science says this feeling is. i've never seen it addressed

>>130404917
Try to do it for 30 consecutive minutes. It's actually pretty difficult but it gets easier the more you train your mind.

>>130405204
I do know what you mean. The description of the barrier is very appropriate. The meditation changes and really washes over you. No longer trying to meditate, but just riding it and you physically feel so light.

>>130403969
I think this is correct. LSD has shown me this and I can't argue with Lucy. LSD made me into a nationalist.

Don't run as exercise. I've always intuitively felt that running is an unnatural type of exercise for us humans and this was confirmed when I found out that some guy died from a heart attack shortly after running in a marathon. We don't need to run for exercise, walking for long distances is a better type of exercise than running. Consider this: The slowest creatures tend to be the longest-living creatures. For example, turtles can live for over a hundred years.

"Many illustrations could be given of the mathematical relationship between man's respiratory rate and the variations in his states of consciousness. A person whose attention is wholly engrossed, as in following some closely knit intellectual argument, or in attempting some delicate or difficult physical feat, automatically breathes very slowly. Fixity of attention depends on slow breathing; quick or uneven breaths are an inevitable accompaniment of harmful emotional states: fear, lust, anger. The restless monkey breathes at the rate of 32 times a minute, in contrast to man's average of 18 times. The elephant, tortoise, snake and other animals noted for their longevity have a respiratory rate which is less than man's. The tortoise, for instance, who may attain the age of 300 years, breathes only 4 times per minute." - Paramahansa Yogananda

Running makes us breathe fast. Now tell me honestly that running is good for us. You can't!

I know this will be a turn off for some people, but I think Franz Bardon's instructions would be good for someone trying to get into meditation. Beginning on page 34. http://files.vsociety.net/data/library/Section%205%20(C,%20I,%20O,%20U)/Bardon,%20Franz/The%20Holy%20Mysteries/Initiation%20into%20Hermetics.pdf

>>130405156

Could you elaborate more on this and/or give links to places that teach this form?

I always liked meditation, but I always wanted a form that had more of an emphasis on 'focusing your mind' instead of emptying it

>>130404724

It is awareness, yes, but no it is not thinking about shit.

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>>130405204
I think thats a main component of why its helpful

the main purpose of sleep is to relax all your muscles (and brain since it acts like a muscle)

as your muscles are used metabolic processes have byproducts
when you sleep and the muscles of the body and brain become relaxed, these byproducts are more easily flushed out and that when new blood can come in and repair damage from the metabolic process and clean up the waste products

meditation kind of simulates this in the brain by having it be active in one direction and not not firing about all over the place and gives the brain a bit of rest in a manner, even though you are still using it consciously

>>130405100
When does it become natural and not something you have to force yourself to reach

>>130405673
you don't know what meditation is.

>>130404846

Bro, same here:

>>130404113

>>130399361
Deep slow respiration breathing.

>>130405715
I think it varies for every person. The harder you try, the more difficult it will be. Recognize that there is no such thing as a "bad meditation". Your experiences will fluctuate over time. You'll find it more difficult when you're stressed about life. But over time you'll find it become easier. You'll learn become more aware of when your attention has drifted. To be more adept at refocusing your attention. Etc.

Meditation or medication
A comfort or a promised reward

>>130405802
>>130405673
see
>>130404258

It isn't thinking about shit. It is affirming all phenomena without opinion.

>>130405096

It made me more... disciplined isn't the word. But I would just say hey I need to do this and I'd do it, make it happen. Even if it was a difficult thing, it didn't seem difficult.

>>130404917
that's the most basic or normal form or whatever. you do have to keep your focus completely on your breath (manual breathing) and nothing else though, which is different from just plain not thinking. you'll find that you have a ton of more or less passive stuff going on in the background that you didnt really notice ever before, even when you would be "thinking about nothing". you pretty much just use your breath as a reference point or anchor
other methods mainly just mean having your singular focus on something else, like imagining a 3d object in your mind, your awareness of your surroundings, etc.

I think the physical benefits are analogous to deep prayer that some religious people get into. You do meet some religious people who are very calm, happy, they look healthy because they are healthy.

Conversely you meet other religious people who are very unhealthy and stressed and just a bummer to be around. I suspect they don't get into deep prayer, or their prayers are just that constant mental chit-chat without slow logical dialogue/prayer.

I'm not religious anymore but I remember feeling a similar feeling during prayer as during meditation.

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>>130405668

Check out Ramana Maharshi's stuff. He knew all about the 'one-pointedness of the mind' style of meditation.

>>130405802
>>130406118

Niggers, when you accidentally have an out of body experience, then you can talk about knowing what meditation is.

>>130406319
No thanks

>>130406118
concentration is thought

common meditation is thinking about your breath and that alone

and being conscious of when an errant thought enters into your mind, recognition of it without judgement and releasing it

it IS thinking

its not thinking about the past or future

if you are 'affirming' something, you are engaging in thought

>>130406210

Focusing on your breathing keeps your brain busy with stimuli so it can NOT think.

>>130406439
Who gives a fuck

>>130406118

>It is affirming all phenomena without opinion.

This. Meditation is about letting thoughts come NATURALLY into your mind without putting in the 'effort' of MAKING thoughts come into your mind - and once those thoughts NATURALLY come into your mind, you merely WITNESS THOSE THOUGHTS SILENTLY AND WITHOUT ANY JUDGEMENT.

>>130406439

Focusing on your breath is not thinking about your breath.

>>130406406

It's not for everyone. But it IS for me.

>>130399079
What are the long term benefits? Will it stop my anxiety?

>>130406743
It helps me with mine.

>>130399079
I do but I call it thinking

Becoming an unprotected vessel for spiritual influence. Yeah no thanks Jimmy, I have enough demons as it is.

Guys, who care about meditation. What about synchronicity? It's much more interesting and state altering. Take this for instance;
>pic related
I saw the word Mclaren. I work at a Mclaren hospital building a new unit. Then look down.
Give me a job please.
>Meaning
You cunts already lay around not moving all day. What you need is a job to one point fucus your work minds on.
>Get job
>Meditate (focus) on task
>PROFIT

cause i don't have wall to wall carpet

>>130406743

Reduction and/or control of anxiety, prolonged states of calmness and possible awakening of siddhis (but only if you're a god-tier meditator).

>Will it stop my anxiety?

It stopped mine. I can't speak on behalf of everyone, though.

>>130406618

You and the other buddhist fag have pre-loaded your brains with so much bullshit you're not really meditating and will never seperate from your body like me and two others in this thread have -- accidentally.

You have burdened yourselves with pretentious intentions.

Basically you've fucked yourselves and will never achieve a single siddhi.

>>130406652
wtf

are you retarded

thought is the process of using your mind

if you are using your mind to focus your attention on your breath

that is THOUGHT

you can't focus on something without using thought

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>>130406938
Forgot pic

>>130405668
right now go try to sit down (keep your back straight) and focus only on your breath for thirty minutes and see how you like it. try not to get distracted, and if you do get distracted make sure to shift your focus back to your manual breathing asap. basically just keep a laser focus on your breath the whole time

if you dont feel like doing it or want to procrastinate then that's how you know it will be an exercise in discipline and will power (it will be regardless though)

>>130399079
I sleep errynight

>>130399361
To do proper meditation you have to get rid of all the new-age nonsense and buzzwords.
At the end of the day meditation is basically patience training and a way for you to learn how to control your mind.

The proper meditation method is to simply sit in one spot for a long time and focus on your breath. When you have random thoughts pop into your head bring back your focus on your breathing.
The most important discovery you will have trough meditation is that those random thoughts popping into your head are your unconscious mind, they can be very distracting and it clouds your mind. Trough meditation you can learn to dismiss those dumb random thoughts that pop up in your mind.
When I meditate I get all sorts of idea randomly pop up. After a while you realize that all that confusing nonsense isn't your conscious mind.

>>130407023

>Basically you've fucked yourselves and will never achieve a single siddhi.

If I've fucked myself, I'll simply unfuck myself and achieve many siddhis. Nothing in this world is permanent and that includes the state of being fucked.

>>130407157
All these kids do is lay in bed breathing hard all day so the must be master meditators by now.

>>130407003

Some mystics have convinced you of this "only if you're a god-tier meditator" bullshit in order so you and others keep buying books, incense, rugs, retreats, soundtracks, etc etc etc.

YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

Clean your slate.

Others in this thread achieved results you are actively seeking, with casual efforts and without the intention.

>>130407026

Yes you can. Attention and thought two different things. When you close your eyes, do you need thought to see the darkness?

So what exactly are you thinking about your breath?

>>130406319
this is pretty much it. after you skip all the cuck new age bull shit and memes around meditating you finally come around to knowing that meditation is about developing laser focus and concentration. rarely anyone can do it. try and think about an organ for example, for 5 seconds straight, with no other thoughts crossing your mind, let alone 20 minutes straight and practicing good breathing. its another form of discipline, just internal.

>>130406439
dont get caught up in semantics. i think what he meant by "affirming" was more just accepting and being conscious of. like if a tree is in the wind it might get blown around a bit but it's not gonna start to contemplate it or worry about falling or anything like that

>>130407026
more semantic bullshit. how semitic of you. also,

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>>130407230
>Nothing in this world is permanent
Where did you get this piece of knowledge or have you reached a level where it came to you?
Please respond

>>130399079
Because I'd rather do something actually productive, like exercise.

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>>130399079
But I do

>>130407230

Good, I'm trying to help you here. You've walked a very far distance down the wrong road. Turn around and come back to square one, you'll be much closer from a clean slate than from where you are now. I was only meditating casually for a few months when I accidentally had the out of body experience. Before that I didn't even believe in a soul.

>>130407703
Go to /fit/ bitch. Stop liking things I don't like.

>>130399079
Because I'm not a damn hippie.

>>130407763
Have you looked into Franz Bardon at all?

>>130399079
cuz i have tinnitus

>>130407896
Fuck him.

>>130399079
I don't think that guy's meditating, he's passed out.

>>130407896

No, why would I? You don't need to overanalyze meditation, just do it and see what happens. Anything else is people just trying to make money off you, and in the process you are being self-defeating.

>>130405526
I remember reading somewhere that you have set amount of hearbeats per life, if your heart beats fast often, you will spend them earlier.

>>130407763

Point taken.

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>>130407994
WRONG

>>130408214
That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard but a sucker is born every minute. You are one of those.

>>130407928
>cuz i have tinnitus

Use a hair dryer, vacuum, or some other source of white noise.

>>130408188
nm thought you were a different anon. bardon wasn't trying to sell anything btw. all his work is available online.

>>130408214

This. Promotion of running as a healthy type of exercise is a Jewish conspiracy.

>>130407157
>The most important discovery you will have trough meditation is that those random thoughts popping into your head are your unconscious mind, they can be very distracting and it clouds your mind.

That really is so surprising. You just have the most random thoughts, and because you're aware of your thoughts you recognise that the new thought had absolutely no logical connection to anything you were thinking about. It's just your unconscious throwing at you what you were unconsciously thinking of, for whatever reason, it's probably not a good reason because the most random irrelevant shit will flood your mind.

>>130408214
Sounds very scientific. Surely the limited heartbeat theory is going to be proven right soon.

>>130408416
Why not just use a white noise app. Sounds pretty stupid to leave a hair dryer running while you close your eyes. You a not a good spoke person for meditation you are an embarrassment. I'm outta this thread see ya!

>>130408267

Good luck brah. I'm just glad I came across this thread because others had a similar experience and I shouldn't be afraid of it.

But what if I leave my body, and when I return I find something else entered while I was gone?

>>130408441
Fuck bardon. I'm ean just think about his little nuts

>>130408611

There are white noise apps? I'll check it out, faggot.

>>130401280
also insomniac. shit is a bitch desu

>>130408441

Never heard the name, but I was never really interested in "authorities"/teachers on the subject. I'm sure he's making money off speaking, retreats, etc.

>>130407763
Mf starts taking about a soul because he have a sensation of his peripheral nervous system. That's primitive

>>130408647

>Good luck brah.

Thanks. You too.

>I'm just glad I came across this thread because others had a similar experience and I shouldn't be afraid of it.

We shouldn't be afraid of anything.

>But what if I leave my body, and when I return I find something else entered while I was gone?

Find a fresh corpse and enter it.

>>130408799
Have you tried 5-HTP, vitamin D and melanin? I've had really bad insomnia, but these seem to have helped. Used to sleep 2 to 4 hours a day. Now I always sleep 7-8 hours.

>>130403969
Hello mr. Icke

>>130408952

I'm not David Icke, but he knows what's up.

>>130408937
>vitamin D and melanin

You mean sucking black dicks?

>>130408871
He died in 1958. I learned of him and his book Initiation into Hermetics from /x/ because I had been interested in self-initiating into the Mysteries. I'm definitely aware of hucksterism as far as stuff like this goes but I don't get the sense that his estate is trying to milk his legacy. And as it is he's pretty obscure.

>>130406743
I mostly do taiji and qigong which, on good days, are a form of moving meditation. Recently I've been attending a yoga class that includes a meditation focus. All of these activities contribute to a lessening of my anxiety and an improvement in my mental state. The long term benefits are tangible and carry their own momentum. A snowball thing. As you're more calm you're less rocked by moments of anxiety, as you see that anxiety needn't be so consuming you feel on more solid ground, as you feel on more solid ground your confidence improves etc. Like that.


Helps with mine too. I've been seeing steady improvement over a length of time.

>>130408369
Actually, when you think about it, it is not as silly as it may sound. It is a known fact that creatures with slow metabolism live longer, heart rate increase also increases the speed of metabolic processes in the body. Also, many centerians always look chill as fuck, probably the aspect of personality that is less neurotic, makes their heart rate slow and steady.

>>130399079
Because meditation revolves around thinking about yourself. All spirituality that focuses on the self is a sure path to destruction. I pray to the living God daily.

Certain Native American tribes know that real prayer is about affirming that you already have whatever it is that you want while feeling the emotion that you would feel if you had whatever it is that you want, this is why they would perform rain dances and it would rain shortly afterward. Rain dances used to be banned by the authorities, because they knew that they worked - and they knew that they worked because they knew the true nature of 'reality' - that it is illusory and therefore malleable. Also, check out this video of a person's cancer being cured in three minutes using the same technique:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLPahLakP_Q

>>130409301
>chill as fuck
>always look

I can't argue with that scientific research.
Smoke another joint and breathe slow faggot

>>130408452
Maybe not Jewish conspiracy, but it can be dangerous for some. Last story was about mom if 2 running a maraphon, she finishes, kids run towards her to congratulate, she collapses and dies. Turned out she had some congenital issue, blood vessel ruptured in abdomen from all that running, severe internal bleeding and she is gone, only 30 something years old.

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>>130409314
>Sufi whirling is a form of Sama or physically active meditation...

>...aim to reach the source of all perfection, or kemal. This is sought through abandoning one's nafs, egos or personal desires, by listening to the music, focusing on God, and spinning one's body in repetitive circles, which has been seen as a symbolic imitation of planets in the Solar System orbiting the sun.

Meditation does not revolve about thinking about yourself, that's the point.

>>130409301
It is as retarded as it sounds.
The human body is incredibly complex and has many parts. Different body parts degrade at different speeds based on your life style and environment.
Saying something so retarded like suggesting that our hearts have a heartbeat limit is like saying cars die when their mileage limit is hit or their wheel spin limit was exceeded.

>>130409587
Reddit autist detected

>>130409587
But if you want talk science look up the connection between Type A personality , cardiac health abd life expectancy.

>>130408214
i get irritated whenever people mention that. it seems like such a deterministic way of looking at life, like your number is determined at birth. like yeah you have a certain amount of heartbeats, but what if you make it so your heart doesnt beat as much? maybe that will decrease your total allotted number of heartbeats even though they'll be more spaced out. i wish people would just be ok with saying "if you lower your heart rate you'll probably live longer" but of course everything has to be in the form of a catchy headline

>>130408452
wouldnt that be like an investment though? you increase your heartrate for a short time in order to ultimately decrease it over a longer period of time?
i still think running is a jewish conspiracy though. people should only do a lot of running if they're trying specifically to be good at running (millitary or they like to do a lot of races or whatever). for pure exercise it's shit. a rowing machine, sprints, kettle bells, complexes, HIIT, etc are all better alternative than the jogging jew

>>130408471
for me sometimes it can be difficult because i'll have actually useful thoughts and ideas come up that i can think about some more to create something good, but it's annoying when im trying to just meditate. so i started keeping a notepad nearby to write them down for later

>>130408937
melatonin*

>>130409314
lol ur dumb

>>130409603

I think we should only run for survival-related reasons, like if a bear is chasing you (for example).

>>130409952
>for me sometimes it can be difficult because i'll have actually useful thoughts and ideas come up that i can think about some more to create something good, but it's annoying when im trying to just meditate. so i started keeping a notepad nearby to write them down for later

Same. If there's any good ideas pop up I write them into MS Notepad on the laptop then jump straight back into meditation. I no longer think of it as breaking meditation, I see it as a reward.

Ignoring important thoughts just for the sake of not losing that 5 seconds it takes to write it down seems stupid.

>>130408214
This is what Donald Trump unironically believes.

>>130399079
im terrified that will be able to stop my heart or give myself a stroke or something

>>130409952
It was some yogi master or zen monk who said that, hence the phrasing. But you life is deterministic most of the time, you will more likely live as long as your parents or grandparents, accidents and freak stuff withstanding. You cannot be a ballerina if you are not born with certain body type, there are many such examples.

>>130407472
>>130407507
holy fuck you are retarded

the action of dealing with or taking special care of someone or something.
"the business needed her attention"
synonyms: consideration, contemplation, deliberation, THOUGHT, study, observation, scrutiny, investigation, action More

if your brain is conscious and actively pursing attention of something that is THOUGHT

you are getting attentive thought mixed up with a grander idea of complex introspection or insight of like the shit your brain does when solving math problems

both are thought
, doesn't mean a simpler task of singular attention is not thinking

>>130411018

Even brain-dead bitches lying in bed react to stimuli, you're just fucking wrong.

>>130410643

Pure Consciousness has free will, but when it assumes temporary human forms (i.e. us), it experiences predetermined lives. Everything you experience in your life (right down to the most trivial details) was chosen by your true self, Pure Consciousness. Even when some guy on the street punches you in the face. You chose that for whatever reason. So at the physical level of 'reality', there is no free will. But at the most fundamental level of 'reality', there is free will.

Time is an illusion, just like space, solidity and EVERYTHING ELSE BESIDES PURE CONSCIOUSNESS. When you watch a DVD movie, the entire movie is on that disc and the part of the movie you watch depends on what you do with your remote. What we call 'reality' is kind of like that in the sense that the 'past', the 'present' and the 'future' are ALL happening at the same time and the part of it you experience (i.e. the 'past', the 'present' and the 'future') and the speed you experience it at (i.e. slow-motion and fast-forward) depends on how your mind (i.e. the remote) decodes it. You can also rewind the movie (i.e. go into the 'past') and go into the 'future' by fast-forwarding the movie. The sub-conscious part of your mind actually processes time flowing both 'forward' AND 'backward' SIMULTANEOUSLY, but the conscious part of your mind only processes time flowing 'forward'.

"You didn't come here to make the choice, you've already made it. You're here to try to understand why you made it."

>>130411295
Do animals have pure consciousness? Of course not, delusional human primate has to tell himself wild stories to make sense of chaotic, meaningless existence. Why is it always humans having souls and pure consciousness, but not tigers, donkeys or whales?

>>130411882
DNA is the blueprint for pure conciousness, we were once animals just like modern monkeys. We have evolved our nervous system's capabilities to experience what we call reality

>>130400015
Step three isnt a thing. If you do that you'll end up retarded.

>>130411882

>Do animals have pure consciousness?

Everything has consciousness and, to be more accurate, everything IS consciousness. But when consciousness experiences the physical world, it isn't pure consciousness. It becomes 'coloured' by the physical world.

>>130412029
Yeah, so humans have transcended the animal world, right? As I said, delusional human primate struggling with all those side effects of enlarged brain.

>>130408214
You realise the more you train your heart through cardio the lower your resting heart rate is right? Even if that claim were true, you'd be better off training to lower your heart rate.

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(((CLEAR YOUR MIND)))
>LET THE DEMONS IN
Fuck off

>>130399079
No thanks, I'm not a budhist or hindu, and I don't plan to be one.

>>130412232

It is a privilege to be born in a precious human body. Most people take their human bodies for granted.

>>130412070
It's an exercise, not a way of being. It takes a lot of concentration and willpower to be able to accomplish.

>>130412216
So, someone has made a choice to be a roach or a fly and is trying to understand this choice? Or are you again advocating for human exceptionalism?

>>130412415
Privilege? I see, for you humans are kings of the world, the pinnacle of creation. Every religion needs human exceptionalism to work and make sense. What a hubris!

>>130399079
ain't a fag

>>130412070
>>130412417
also, my understanding is that this isn't incongruent with buddhism and instead would be thought of as samatha without an object of focus

>>130399079
I do. And since it's impossible (for me) to clear my mind, I just mentally try to make purple out of red and blue.

>>130401077
And your sisters asshole suffers

>>130412417
The entire point of meditation is to build focus, then use the upbuilt focus to focus on something. "Not thinking about anything" or trying to "not think about anything" is a waste of time and it wont do anything good.

>>130412869
Yeah

>>130399079
h-hello prozak?

because it's a leftist meme that replaces prayer in their lives.

I won't buy the meditation meme. I think all the time. I don't need to set aside some time to do some leftist Buddhist mind clearing shit just to think or, according to some, to attempt not to think. I do that 8 hours a day while asleep

>>130413224
maintaining vacancy of mind requires focus, don't get me wrong. it's more like the vacancy of the mind becomes the object of focus.

>>130413398
new age verbal diarrhea.

you are degenerate

>>130413398
Why would you focus on not having thoughs. Literally noone who knows what they're doing advocates that. I can see some situations where you'd want to restrict your thoughtflow, but not thinking in its entirety, thats retarded.

I think you just misunderstood something sometime someone said the "dont let your thoughts captivate you" stuff tbqh.

>>130412743

>for you humans are kings of the world

I never said that humans are kings of the world.

>the pinnacle of creation

I never said that humans are the pinnacle of creation.

>Every religion needs human exceptionalism to work and make sense.

I do not adhere to any religion. Enjoy being an amoeba, I'm sure you'll still be able to eat Doritos and drink Mountain Dew in that form.

>>130412455

>Or are you again advocating for human exceptionalism?
>again

I never advocated for human exceptionalism. If you hate your human body, why not get rid of it?

>>130400714
what are the health benefits?

>>130414897
You just literaly said that having human body is a privilege, it is called exceptionalism. Geez....

up

>>130414290
It's a question of willpower. Does your mind serve you or do you serve your mind?

>>130415176

No, exceptionalism is saying that a human body is inherently superior to any other type of body. And yes, I said that having a human body is a priviledge, because I think that it IS a privilege. It's subjective, NOT objective. Think of the things a human body can do that an amoeba (for example) can't - we have more mobility, longer life-spans, the ability to think abstractly, etc. Are you seriously saying that it would be better to be an amoeba (for example) than a human? lol, fuck off kid.

>>130416062

* And yes, I said that having a human body is a privilege, because I think that it IS a privilege.