why do the gun nuts always lose their minds whenever someone

So what exactly are smart guns?

War has changed.

It's not about nations, or ideologies.
It's not even about profit, resources, or ethnicity.

It's an endless series of proxy battles,
fought by mercenaries and machines.

War, and its vast consumption of human life,
has become a rational, well-oiled business transaction.

War has changed.

ID-tagged soldiers carry ID-tagged weapons,
use ID-tagged gear.

Nanomachines inside their bodies
enhance and regulate their actions.

Genetic control.. Information control..
Emotion control.. Battlefield control.

Everything is monitored, and kept under control.

War has changed.

The age of deterrence is now the age of control,
averting catastrophe from weapons of mass destruction.

And he who controls the battlefield, controls history.

War has changed.

When the battlefield is under total control,

war becomes routine.

>>130395562
ID lock like in MGS4.

Why do the spooks always make several versions of the same slide thread at the same time? Seriously wtf is going on? Atleast mix it up a little, ffs.

>>130395562
Seems to be a fingerprint scan device on the trigger. Possibly limiting use by no glove as well as higher possibilities of malfunction

>>130395562
Computer chip that changes some of the ways the gun operates, most notably it only allows the person who has the gun registered to fire it. Stuff like that.

>>130395806
>confronted by snackbar with knife
>pull out smart gun
>mfw forgot to charge gun and finger print scanner doesn't work

>>130395483
You can't trust a machine, period.

>>130395857
What if in a home robbery your dad(guns registered to him) isn't there?

>>130395483
A mechanical object is most reliable when it had fewest moving parts and no electronics. It's why revolvers and bolt actions have a reputation for reliability. Add a bunch of electronics specifically designed to make the weapon inoperable under all conditions but one (correct user with correct verifications of whatever sort) and suddenly any shooter worth his salt with any practical awareness on the situation that may befall him will not trust said weapon.

Tinfoil: Govt will disable your weapon remotely, batteries will be proprietary and controlled through price gouging, companies will force re-verification of proper credentials with a monthly fee.

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But how will we overthrow the state if we can't pick up other people's guns when we run out of ammo?

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>>130396169
>96169

>>130395483
Force the police and military to test them first for 15 years.

>>130395483

Not that I've even got a gun, but I reckon if you're carrying one about the place you want to know that when you pull the trigger the moorish american in front of you cops a bullet. Thumb print detection might well mean that you're faffing about trying to get it to work while the honors student is charging you. Bad idea.

>>130395483
Fine, Russia can have all the smart guns if you're so keen on it. Can't wait till an EMP fries all your guns and you're stuck with your thumb up your ass.

>>130396422
exactly this

>>130396168
>It's why revolvers and bolt actions have a reputation for reliability.
Because fuds are a bunch of morons.

We had machine guns in WWI doing hour long bursts without malfunction and in one case a 12 hour long barrage.
We have electronics that have been operating continuously for decades without faults or maintenance.
Their are electro-mechanical devices that have been running non stop for decades.

A good design is more important than any other factor. Static objects with zero moving parts break all the time due to wear.

>>130396422
>be me
>post thoughtful words about the subject free of memes/muh 14/88
>other anon posts the same shit talking about shooting a dark skinned individual
>immediate reply
Fuck you guys

>>130395483
Oh and a few states have laws that say once smart guns are on the market every non smart gun becomes illegal.

>>130396715
>their
>hour long bursts
>static objects and wear
>kekistani flag
Kill yourself faggot

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>>130395483
>gun nuts

>>130395483
>"smart" guns
>don't do anything smarter than a dumb gun

>>130396715

If someone made a handgun or whatever with some identity recognition tech in it that was 100% guaranteed not to create drama when you least need it, I'll bet people would be into that - stops the honors student from getting a chance at it if he manages to disarm you.

But until you can showcase tech that doesn't make people feel like it's going to get them killed you won't see adoption.

I figure the people campaigning for it probably want the malfunctions to happen. Black lives matter and handguns are a proven way to limit niggas.

Why does the phrase "shall not be infringed" enrage globalists and their leftist puppets?

>>130396168
Aerospace Engineer here. Your statement is retarded.

>>130396765

Let's be real here, you aren't thinking about the danger of this thing jamming in a situation that doesn't involve a wild basketball american high on glue charging you screaming wurlstah. He's the (colored) elephant in the room viz gun talk.

>>130396168
>Govt will disable your weapon remotely
Exactly. It's just another government shackle on the common man. It's exactly why they want it.

>>130395483

Well first off, the smart guns on the market suck ass and don't work. They have failure to fire rates due to a failure to unlock that are way too high.

Second, smart guns may prevent retarded kids from accidentally shooting themselves in the face, but anyone who has access to a smart gun can easily fire it, malfunctions notwithstanding, because most guns are going to be within reaching distance of the device needed to unlock it. A stolen smart gun can have its self locking features disabled through disassembly.

Finally, the fact that not all firearms can be converted to smart guns reveals the true intention behind these pointless laws, which is to justify seizing the hundreds of millions of "dumb" guns already in circulation, and forcing existing companies to throw out their current product lines, effectively killing the gun industry. Smart gun companies will never be able to keep up with the demand of replacing hundreds of millions of firearms with inferior devices, and most citizens will simply refuse to comply with converting or turning in their regular firearms.

... Or we can just talk about smart guns.

>>130397478

*not talk

FUCK, I wrote all that and that FUCKING typo at the end.

Because if smart guns are available, it will become "common sense" to ban all the others.

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>>130395569

>>130396051
>confronted by snackbar with knife
>pull out dumb gun
>mfw forgot to load gun with ammo
?

>>130397062
Rocket Propulsion Engineer with PhD in ethics, worked on many secret projects including the declassified Operation Star Beam. You're full of shit saying he's full of shit, fucking faggot.

>>130396846
its disappointing that nobody else in this thread is aware of this fact. it is legitimately the only actual reason the smart gun is being held back.

the state in question is New Jersey. the law in that state requires that once the technology is available on the market only models with that technology would be allowed for sale in the state. in other words, if the smart gun is introduced in new jersey it automatically becomes the only gun people can buy in new jersey.
the man who holds the patent did not create the smart gun to hurt gun owners, so he's sitting on the patent until the law is rewritten.

>>130397954
Loading a gun is as natural as wiping your ass after a shit. Charging a gun isn't. Nice try though.

>>130397954
If you have a gun on you when you're confronted by someone you most likely have a Concealed Carry and have that bitch chambered.

Because if you forcibly limit my ability to defend myself by relying on a shitty mass produced finger print scanner I think you deserve to be shot.

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>>130396911
>implying this isn't insanity

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/threats-end-smart-gun/2014/05/03/id/569307/

>>130395569
War. War never changes.
The end of the world occurred pretty much as we had predicted. Too many humans, not enough space or resources to go around. The details are trivial and pointless, the reasons, as always, purely human ones.

>>130395483
A Smart gun is a liberal POS getting between me and MY trigger on MY property which is MY Gun
There are more guns than people in the US they are not getting scrapped and replaced with "smart" Guns, its a point less argument.

>>130397954
>>confronted by snackbar with knife
>mfw forgot entire gun at home
This is how fucking stupid you sound.

>>130398315
(((Weinberg))) asking the NRA to hamstring themselves so they can drop the "three year" mandate and turn it into a "drop of the hat zero notice" mandate.

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>>130395483
>pic of gun with no manual safety
>add a manual safety
Fucking murder your family and kill yourself you nogunz cretin.

>>130395483
>(((safer)))

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>muh liberty freedomes is in danger cuz someone wants to make toddlers unable to fire my gun durrrrrr

America was a mistake

>>130395483
>SHALL
>NOT
>BE
>INFRINGED

>>130395483

Smart knives.

>>130398552
>confronted by snackbar with knife
>mfw he stabs me before i could even pull out my gun

what's the point anyway and how often are you stabbed by snackbars in murka in order to require carrying a big inconvenient pile of metal around everywhere

>>130395569
Thx Manuel Delanda

>>130398889
Deterence.

Snackbars, thugs, psychos and more know to attack places where people are not likely to be armed. Airplanes, schools, private businesses dumb enough to not allow guns but not provide security of their own.

If you're in a position where a knife is drawn within in arms reach of you, you have already failed. The point is to exercise caution to avoid that situation, to which a gun becomes incredibly useful to keeping people out of your kill radius by threat of returning violence or physically stpping them from getting close if you can see them coming.

Not every encounter is the same and the gun is a tool that is useful in many-- saying that one particular scenario where it's not makes it useless entirey is shrt sighted and lacking of a basis in personal self defense.

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>>130396715

>>130398889
This

You need at least 15-20 feet to pull out a gun and fire it at an attacker with a knife

>>130395483
If you want to make guns safer get rid of niggers.

>>130398889
>>Confronted by snackbar with knife
>>Doesn't stab me because I have no gun and we're in a no knife zone

Liberal fantasies errywhere

>>130395483
because muh ebil gubment

Hey Assholes, I have an idea that solves everything: why don't we just make murder illegal? Then no one needs guns.

>>130397062
Nice argument you've got there, you useless faggot.

>willingly giving another person the ability to render your weapon useless

The only people who want smart guns are wannabe tyrants and idiots who don't think.

Could you jam a smart gun with an EMP?

Let me guess, these are linked up to the internet and have a remote kill switch, yes?

>>130399505
This. Why ban guns when you can just ban murder?

>>130395483
Because it's something you retards want to make mandatory

>>130399505
this comment is culturally insensitive to the many peaceful arabic countries where murder is a formal reeting for kafir.

please report to your nearest Brussels sponsorsed reeducation concentration camp and turn in your guns.

>>130399815
>gets shot

>>130395483

If its "smart" it can be disabled from a distance. Do the math.

>>130398772
Doesn't a gun lock prevent the same thing?

>>130399384
Don't even need 15-20 inches.

>>130400087
Are you serious?

>>130395562

basically guns that don't fuckin work

when you actually need a firearm you don't have time to scan your fingerprint or enter some code you need to pull it and bang bang

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>cc smart gun
>sends message "dont relax" to bluetooth headphone whenever
>go to detroit
>headphone constantly saying "dont relax"
>cant take it anymore
>try to shoot self
>"Target is ot black, trigger locked" plays on headphone
>gun starts to automaticly point nigger
>squeezes trigger automatically
>pops niggers like i pop virginities
>cops come around
>buy you dinner as reward
I cant see whats the problem here burgerbros. U niggerlovers or what ?

If it weren't for the gun control idiots, smart guns might be nice for police and security guards who need to wear a gun all day and get physical with people. You still have to trust the computer chip not to fail and get you killed, though.

yes goy, just a smart gun

we wont add cameras, wifi, windows 10 or anything later

just smart gun goy, besides whats so bad about a camera, like cops body cams goy, theyre good, wifi good too, for firmware updates, dont want to get a bug and shoot yourself in your sleep goy

but we worry about that later, we just want smart guns

>>130398772
No, its marxists

>>130400194
Yes.

>>130395857
This cannot be abused by the government in any way

>>130398795
Exactly. It's not the right to only bear the arms that have your finger print stored in them. It's to allow the people to form a militia, with whatever weapons are available.

>>130400283
What the fuck did I just read

>>130400404
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill

And these are trained police

>>130400213
Lol at you burgers thinking you're John Wayne.

>>130400087
see
>>130400670

>>130395483
>Need near instant reaction times to avoid being gunned down by a feral nigger.
>Gun fails to unlock.
>Dead.
That's why.

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>adding a level of failure when your life is at stake

>>130396095
but you already do, because any gun is a machine

>>130400731
We got it, you limeys hate freedom. No need to keep quoting tge same post. Your point is made.

>>130400512
Autism

>>130395483
It's a stupid idea

>>130398809
>can hack shit by stabbing it
sounds nice

>>130398552
>>130398106
Bullets don't magically deplete themselves out of your gun if you don't use the gun for some time.

>>130400194
I'm serious.you don't HAVE to let Ahmed stab you over and over. Especially with pistol you can fire from the hip at point blank range, or you can make a contact shot in a pinch. Are you stupid?

>>130400881
literally muh freedomes

>>130401307
Go watch some facesitting porn. Oh right, you can't.

>>130401304
>t.56% white
>complaining about Ahmed

Um, Sweetie...

>>130401307
Literally yes. Your point has been made, now fuck off.

>>130400585
And?

>>130401789
Who needs an argument when you have freedom in South Africa 2.0

>>130401854
A trained policeman needs at least 20 feet but you need 15 inches. Ok mate.

>>130399680
yeah wouldn't that be great. Have to log in to guest wifi and buy a subscription data plan if not in wifi range. what a glorious time to be alive.

>>130395483
>whenever someone mentions smart guns?

Oh, you mean those state controlled firearms that would be disabled 5 seconds before a home invasion so you can't defend yourself?

Gee, I wonder.

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>>130400731

>>130395483
Fuck man. I work for a cell phone company and no matter what the make of model, any phone that have a fingerprint scanner will fuck up at one point and lock the customer out of the phone.

We don't hate smart guns. We hate dipshit politicians trying to mandate this in all guns. Because the technology isn't even close to being to the point where you can just slip it on or easily segue it into the manufacturing process, it would essentially ban all guns.

>>130395483
Who controls the "Safety", the same person pointing their guns at you?

Then what happens to people who remove the "Safety" system, thirdly, why how would it work, WiFi, Radio broadcasts, fingerprint identifier, all of these could be broken by true criminals who could actually 3D print guns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJyf1IrHtcE&ab_channel=InTheMaking

These are to many features that could be abused or corrupted, the current system could should NOT be replace by this lack luster system.

This topic has been pretty much beaten to death but something not yet mentioned is the extreme expense of electronics durable enough to survive recoil impulse. Watch a super slow motion video of a gun firing for a look at how much stress those parts are under. Only extremely simple electronics like flashlights and illimunited optics are currently used on guns regularly and reliable ones are extremely expensive. Expect a working smart gun to be more expensive than a similar mechanical gun by a factor of 3 or 4

>>130395483
Education makes guns safer.
https://youtu.be/irykjLjuKo8

>>130397062
That only works on Reddit. Go away.

>>130395483
>smart guns
What is this shit, is Judge Dredd spilling into reality now? This is what meme magic does, I guess.

>>130401495
>says the faggot who let their right to bear arms be almost completely destroyed.

Sure we have a lot of niggers. We also have access to equalizers of self defense.

Sweetie.

>>130401953
Police are also trained to fire from point blank after rocking their weapon out of the holster, canting it slightly out from the hip, and firing from the number 2 position.

Why do brits feel the need to tell us about guns?

>>130395483
As someone who grew up only having chink shit imported and never known anything to last, I can say without a doubt that I do not trust that fucking thing to work when really needed.
also I dont even own a gun.

>>130395562
Basically adds a bunch of shit to a gun that is likely to malfunction when it is needed most.

>>130404362
Get back to me when I can say "grenade" and blow up cars with my handgun.

>>130395483
>muh smart guns
It isn't a very practical idea, frankly.

>>130395483
>SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

just another layer of control to make sure your pistol doesn't work when you need it

>>130395483
Hitting your target takes skill and this would give the left a fighting chance.

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>>130400283
>This post

Second time trying to post a reply, "smart" phone glitched on me

>>130395483

if you want to buy a smart gun, go for it. it's a free market, I will not be buying one and there's no universe in which it will be forced upon us

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>>130395483
Because they aren't even remotely reliable, cost significantly more, and aren't applicable with military contracts.

>The Armatix 22 caliber smart pistol costs $2000 while pistols of the same caliber cost $400 max.
>It couldn't make it through a magazine without having a malfunction during sterile range testing.
>The gun was drop resistenant but the watch isn't
>The watch requires you to charge it too often
>The watch is not waterproof
>The connection from gun to watch can be jammed with RadioShack tier equipment.
>Oairing a watch and gun takes 20 minutes.
>What if you are shot in the wrist, need to use one hand, or otherwise become incapacitated?

That's just the Armatix. Finger print scanning guns can't be jammed remotely but the scanner can become dirty. Police and military always wear gloves. Militarys require pistols to be operated with one hand so that makes military contracts near impossible.

Overall, they're more expensive, less reliable, less capable, and less versatile than normal guns.

Truly a solution in search of a problem.

>>130395483
adding computers to things makes them less reliable.

a pocket watch from 1860 keeps better time than an Apple watch.

>>130399505
this

>>130398889

More often dindus than snackbars. Happens pretty frequently actually

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>>130407478
>>The Armatix 22 caliber smart pistol costs $2000 while pistols of the same caliber cost $400 max.
>>It couldn't make it through a magazine without having a malfunction during sterile range testing.
>>The gun was drop resistenant but the watch isn't
>>The watch requires you to charge it too often
>>The watch is not waterproof
>>The connection from gun to watch can be jammed with RadioShack tier equipment.
>>Oairing a watch and gun takes 20 minutes.
>>What if you are shot in the wrist, need to use one hand, or otherwise become incapacitated

These are all bad things, but you're overlooking the worst part.
>have to wear the same watch every day
>mfw

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>>130395483
>literally shilling for MGS4-style ID locks

>>130395483

Cool, let's start with police having "smart" guns.

>>130395562
remotely disable-able guns

when u arent intended to use them, they are disabled via targeted emp from a safe location. pretty much a method of neutering the 2nd amendment in a fashion that youll be willing to agree to in the name of 'the children'

>>130395483
Fuck smart guns. My phone has trouble reading my thumb print on a good day.

>>130407726
This, making things complicated makes using it more complicated. Something you REALLY don't want in a gun. An Apple watch is a good example

>200€ Apple watch
>battery life: 12 hours

>20€ digital watch designed in the 90s
>battery life: 10 years

>>130407726
I agree with you in principle but quartz watches are objectively better at keeping more accurate time than anything an automatic or manual-wind watch is capable of keeping. I own an automatic watch and the drift is noticeable. It stands to reason an Apple watch would not only be better than that, but able to sync using NTP using whatever communications that monstrosity has.

>>130409547
Uncommon.

>>130409547
Is this considered rare?

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>>130409844

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>>130395483
Play MGS4 where some guys takes over the system controlling the guns and military machinary and by doing so brings the world near its ruin since all ships, planes, tanks, guns and planes dont work anymore unless he wants it.
Smart guns are the first step to exactly that

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>>130395483
If you want a real answer, it's because the technology they want to put into the guns does not work well, nor is it useful.

Often smart gun makers try to match the gun with an RFID chip worn in a watch or bracelet. This method of pairing is fairly useless, as someone who struggles with the gun owner will be able to discharge the firearm due to the close proximity of the gun to the user.

As far as preventing theft, thieves will disable the chip or steal the watch with it.

There is also a concern about cost, and the (justifiably) paranoid fear that someone will turn the guns 'off'.

So tldr; smart gun tech won't make guns safer.

>>130395569
This, /pol/ maybe even is a hivemind after all >>130410019

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>>130395569

>tfw neoliberals are literally the villains from MGS

>>130410000
checked. tfw no secured pizza

>be in CA
>gas stop at night
>suspicious black males approaches rapidly
>pull out state issued 5-shot-magazine manual-action 25-lbs-antichildren-trigger fingerprint-detecting always-online-DRM .22 jacketed-playdoh-point seld defense instrumentTM
>thank senator Feinstein for allowing me to purchase it for only $10k + $250 monthly ownership tax
>have to open the Safety HolsterTM, which requires a phone connection so an automated 911 call can take place, and a key that must be kept in the left shoe
>as I take out the gun a $1500/h carry fee is automatically processed on my bank account
>guns must be kept unloaded, so I have to remove the clip from my right shoe, load the jacketed playdoh point rounds into the magazine, and load it into the gun
>conspicuous black males are now close to my car, I have to take the shot
>as I pull the trigger a $250 shooting free is processed into my account, but it only counts the trigger pulls and not the actual shots fired
>gun doesn't fire
>I forgot to use the special screwdriver to put the safety off
>screwdriver must be kept in wallet, so I lay the gun in the seat earning myself a $500/min fine for negligent abandon due to the Think of the Children Act
>Safety's off, time to shoot these niggas
>gun jams
>the gun loudspeaker prerecorded messages start playing
>*due to the Good Sleep Act of 2020, it is now illegal to fire weapons between 20:00 and 08:00*
>*you are now eligible for a 20.000 dollar fine for attempting to disrupt other people's sleep*
>black males shoot me in self defense because I drew first, and because the minority protection act allows them to fire at any time they want
>as I die I feel relief in knowing that I left in my will all my possessions to a fund for black people, to help them off the street

>>130410000
Fucking rare

>>130410168
Haha yeah two people referenced a popular video game that deals with the subject what a trip man

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>>130410523
your id can be typed all from the home row on a dvorak keyboard

AeousTIs

Remote shutdown. Great for stopping criminals, even better for a tyrant government shutting down a revolution.

>>130395569
STANDING

>>130401953
How was George Zimmerman able to pull a gun with a nigger on top of him?

>>130410758

Luck.

>>130409167
>using the fingerprint to unlock your phone
I bet using that once already gets your fingerprint uploaded into the cia database. I fear just clicking my homebutton does that already regardless of wether i activated that option though

>>130395483
just change the bottom half with this airsoft, easy fix
http://www.torontoairsoft.com/Tokyo-Marui-G17-Gen-3-GBB-Pistol-Black_p_4312.html

>>130398058

Sad to see nobody acknowledge this yet. A lot of leftist shit holes, like NJ, CA, and NY basically said the same thing. It was written into law that once this technology emerges this is the only gun that can be legally sold. It's a defacto gun ban.

>>130410596
>pull out state issued 5-shot-magazine manual-action 25-lbs-antichildren-trigger fingerprint-detecting always-online-DRM .22 jacketed-playdoh-point seld defense instrumentTM
Damn son that's some good shit right there. Made me chuckle.

>>130395562
Putting a computer in your gun to disable it in circumstances. Obviously it's good to disable it when your baby is using it as a chew toy - but who's to say the government won't just disable it when it's convenient for them?

Smart guns just seem like they'll be a fuckton more expensive. I don't care if they make them but I'll be damned if I'm forced to buy one over a regular gun.

>>130408888
Checked. Race war now.

>>130395483
Yeah, lets make it easier for cops to murder compliant citizens.

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>>130404728

>>130410596
kek

>>130395483
So in perfect America everyone should go around carrying a gun? Feminists, lawyers, the mentally disabled, recently freed prisoners, etc.
Sure the point is to protect against government abuse and tyranny but the price to pay in accidental death is rather high and in itself a sort of government/constitutional way to justify the death of innocents.

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>>130397028
because leftists are cucks and dont understand the concept of universal and unrevokable rights

Leftists are good goys, so they feel rewarded for being good goys when they are allowed to drive their smart cars and live in their cuck sheds. it enrages the liberal when someone takes their life into they own hands and does not depend on the state to provide protection.

>>130411209

The mentally disable and felons are already barred from even so much as touching a firearm. Literally, a felon can't even go to the range and rent one to use there.

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>>130395483
>People just want to make firearms safer for everyone
This is completely ass backwards though. Guns, by purposeful design are as deadly as possible. Making it more complicated for the end user to function their weapon is not making it safer. Situational awareness, target identification, muzzle and trigger discipline are what keeps guns safe.

Shall not.

>>130411209
>So in perfect America everyone should go around carrying a gun?
In a perfect America our rights are absolute.
How people individually interact with that is up to them.

>>130395483
First you hacked our election now you want to hack our guns? Russia pls go.

>>130411209
It's like a group immunity. If a sufficient number of citizens are armed and law abiding, the opportunity cost of committing a crime is too high and crime is deterred as odds are someone will shoot you.

>>130399505
I get what you're saying, but even if the whole world goes all green peace granola, I'm still not giving up my guns.

>>130411209
>So in perfect America everyone should go around carrying a gun?
In a perfect any society every citizen should go about armed.

>>130396169
You watch too many movies
Slap yourself back to reality, real life is much more boring

>>130395483
>smart guns
If you want one I'd be fine with you buying one. Liberal faggots will instantly mandate them though, we all know that. Anyone claiming otherwise is a liar.

>>130411509
Why would you?
Much like with the internal combustion engine, the lid of Pandora's box has been wide open for along time for guns.
They are going nowhere.
Giving up yours would make you a fool.

>>130395483
Because any idiot could radio jam it

>>130410695

ON

>>130411366
Underrated

>>130411455
Sounds like communism to me. Just like if everyone would be 100% equal. No reason to rob or commit crimes since everyone has the same level of defence.

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If guns are "smart" there's a possibility they can be disabled without the owner's consent when hacked.

>>130395483
i use an id lock card for my work computer and if fails to read my finger print about 20% of the time. imagine that in a middle of a crisis

>>130395483
>spend hundreds extra for a "smart gun"
>be in a home defense scenario
>have to quickly grab "smart gun" from hiding place to shoot intruder threatening me with a knife
>pull trigger
>nothing happens
>my fingers weren't aligned correctly on the grip, no fingerprint was registered
>get stabbed

Alternate scenario:
>pull trigger
>nothing happens
>"smart gun" is still checking my fingerprints
>get stabbed

Alternate scenario:
>pull trigger
>nothing happens
>battery is dead for "smart gun"
>get stabbed

Alternate scenario:
>pull trigger
>nothing happens
>"smart gun" is malfunctioning, won't recognize my fingerprint
>get stabbed


Not to mention this prevents a guest or another family member from using it in the event of a break in. If you keep track of your guns the whole smart gun thing is useless.

>>130412420
Could happen even with mechanical devices.

>>130412460
You have a poor quality id lock card but nonetheless a good point. You must also understand it is possible for mechanical devices to fail or for ammo to be bad.

>>130412614
Well there's also the other side of the coin:

>Rebellious teen son finds where you hide gun.
>Takes it out to show to friends.
>Friends takes gun, plays with it and accidentally discharges it hitting your son in the eye.

vs
>getting stabbed

>>130395483
because i can't use your gun when i disarm you

>>130396715
Except that making reliable electronics is hard. Only large companies can afford this and they would regularly fuck up (google "Sudden Acceleration in Toyota Vehicles"). Now, the electronics that you'd get in a consumer-level handgun is likely to be made by braindead Chinese and programmed by deranged Indians, which means it will never work reliably. Another thing is that fingerprint technology itself is kind of unreliable. Some people (usually women, I think) have trouble with their fingerprints being recognized.

>>130395483
You want your personal defense weapons to be as simple as possible because you want to he able to use it in all kinds of conditions and when you're surprised.

People should be able to manufacture and buy "smart" weapons if they want (they'd be idiots), but they shouldn't be mandatory.

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>>130412765
>Could happen even with mechanical devices.
Is law enforcement Magneto now?

>>130412765
>You must also understand it is possible for mechanical devices to fail or for ammo to be bad.
This is where it comes down to training. Always performing a PMCS on your weapon system to check for worn and broken parts. And clearing malfunctions, like a FTF are a big no brainer.

>>130413583
>hide gun
IWB holster. I wouldn't let my son dig around in my pants.

Also, that's just an example of poor parenting and planning. Your 8 year old could steal grandma's suburban because he wanted to do hood rat shit with his friend that smokes with the cigarettes.

>>130396168
>Tinfoil: Govt will disable your weapon remotely, batteries will be proprietary and controlled through price gouging, companies will force re-verification of proper credentials with a monthly fee.
That's not tinfoil at all. It already happens with planes, ships, and soon consumer vehicles. Once there's a regulation or requirement, consider the industry proper fucked

>>130395716

Shit it goes back to MGS1. Since you couldn't use enemy guns due to them being smart guns.

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Shall not be infringed faggot.

Can you fucking read?

>>130412460
My iPhone gets my fingerprint every fucking time. Checkmate, faggot. Your boss stealing money under the premise of upgrade does not mean smart guns can't work.

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>>130395483
leftists think an election can be hacked but want to put computers in their guns

>>130396353
Oh no, anon. "Smart" weapons will only be applied to civilians. We can't have our military and police burdened by such "safety" features. After all, someone could hack into the electronics. What if they run out of batteries?

>Intruder breaks into your house
>Kinect home surveillance and gaming system detects them with the full house network of HD night vision always on cameras
>Mountain Dew: code red alarm starts blaring
>you have 20 seconds to drink the verification can to unlock your halo assault rifle replica before the intruder bursts into your bedroom and rapes your boyfriend

>>130414388
Just hack my gun up senpai

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>>130397062
>>130403895
>That only works on Reddit. Go away.

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>>130411209
Boy you're starting from the wrong foundation.
gun rights are guaranteed civil rights. Like all civil rights, they can not be taken away from an individual, without due process.
Namely, the individual commits a crime and is relieved of some of his rights as part of the process or as punishment. Felons lose their right to vote and to carry guns as punishment. But you can't PRE-punish people. You can't relieve everyone else of their rights just because a few abuse them. You can't relieve someone of their rights UNTIL they commit the felony. I know they don't teach civics in school any more, but if you think the concept of 'rights' through, it DOES have a logical conclusion. You can only remove rights from an individual, if that individual abuses their rights. You can't use that individual's abuse to remove the rights of more people. This is the contract that our government made with us and we intend to hold them to it.

And you know... ONLY a very rare few abuse their gun rights. In fact, the number of people who abuse their guns rights is so low a percentage of the population that it approaches zero. It really is a non-issue when you realize how rare it is in a country of 321 million people and only a scant few abuse gun rights each day. They are dealt with and punished as they are caught, because we don't do punishment for pre-crime in the USA. Yet.

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>>130395483
>Implying electronic safeguards cannot be bypassed.
>Implying hostile entity or government couldn't render your weapon useless with a single click
>Implying adding more parts to a device already notoriously unreliable will make it more reliable.

Pic related low tech hand cannon still most reliable handgun

>>130414251
Wet hands? Nope.
Wrong angle? Nope.
Wrong finger? Nope.

Even with the huge improvement in the sensor from the 6 to 6s/7, I would not want to bet my life on being able to unlock my phone on the first try.

>>130400213
how those things work for judge dredd then? EBIN SERVED 5/5 :DDDDD

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>>130395483
>have gun
>someone breaks into my house
>family member is closer to gun than I am
>they grab gun
>it doesn't fire because it's only programmed for it to work with my hand
Or another even more terrifying prospect
>government tags you for wrongthink
>sends goonsquad into your house to assassinate you
>but they first make sure they "shut off" your guns first
OP is a faggot shill, ignore, hide and sage.

>>130414035
>IWB holster
You swim with your gun? Just saying you can't keep it always with you. At which point, you are either vulnerable to attack or someone not authorized gets access to your firearm.

Parenting only gets your so far. Sandy Hook is a sad case of good parenting having its limits.

>get into fight
>hand gets chopped off by snackbar machete
>create some space by jamming bloody stub in mohammeds eyes
>pull out Intelligence Gun v.1.3
>fingerprint not recognized as blood is all over the place
>pull out Intelligence Handkerchief v1.1
>wipe off blood on fingerprint scanner
>snackbar regains vision as you aim
>fingerprint not recognized
>wrong hand
>rip in pieces

>>130415376
You realize you'll sooner die of AIDS you buggerer?

>>130395483
putting electronics in a simple mechanical design makes it extremely unreliable
if you practice gun safety there's 0 risk of hurting or killing someone unintentionally

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>>130410596
At least you weren't racist

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>>130415359
>You swim with your gun?
I generally don't swim, but as a matter of fact, I have carried my 442 on a day in the river.

>can't keep it always with you.
That is certainly just like your opinion man.

In the very rare circumstances that I'm not carrying, or within arms reach, my weapons are reasonably secured.

Need the meme of JEWS behind gun control and the millions that were murdeted after controls were put into place.

>>130395483
Risk of failure, risk of losing control from an exterior source (due to electronics dependence). It's just a bad idea, and it won't make anything safer.

>>130414388
>you will be able to blame russia for your killingspree in your lifetime
What a time to be alive

>>130413583
>hiding a gun
that's not safe
always keep it in a gun safe
they call them safes for a reason

>>130395483
Because there are 30 thousand ways it can backfire (haha) from the get go, let alone in situations where you can't afford anything going wrong or someone ends up dying.

>have fingerprint recognition on my phone that works 1/3 of the time I use it
>hey you know what would be cool if I put this on a tool where I could need it in an instant and if it doesn't work I die

>>130412765
>You must also understand it is possible for mechanical devices to fail or for ammo to be bad.
This is why it'd be stupid to add more points of failure on something that you count on to defend yourself and your family.

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>>130414388

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>>130416208
I think something like pic related is enough. Doesn't have to be electronic.

>>130404910
>Dixie flag
>Doesn't own a gun

Yankee carpetbagger detected

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>>130407478
Bet you thought nobody would see that hidden rare flag now

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>>130395483
New Jerseys law to replace all "regular" firearms, now fuck off kike.

>>130395562
jewish plot to subvert our gun rights and defacto disarm us

>>130410758
Not well enough to keep his head from getting slammed onto the pavement.

Once all the cops and all the soldiers are using "smart guns" then I'll consider using one as well

>>130396867
>>hour long bursts
hes right about that though.

after the Brits officially declared the Maxim gun obsolete, they decided to torture test one, it fired for 7 days straight, only stopping to replenish the water in the barrel jacket and load fresh belts of .303 British

>>130410758
He wasn't a limp wristed eurocuck

>>130417798
see
>>130414405

>>130398772
you have obviously not read the thread

besides its a felony in the US to leave a loaded firearm within easy access of a minor

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>>130400585
>trained police
What does that supposed to imply exactly? That they're some kind of master of guns, professional gun fighter? Or that they bi annually go to the range to spend all day trying to barely qualify with their service pistol. Only to holster afterwards and never draw it again until it's time qual time again.

I'm here to tell you, the latter is the reality.

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>>130418706
>women

>>130395483
Doesnt that require a battery? Thats enough for anyone to be against it. Its like grinding down the iron sights and only having a red dot on your SHTF rifle and pistol. Useless once the powers out

why has no one posted this yet -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeHgrf5z4C0

>>130400213
>bang bang
ay nigga https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEoDSTBY_Y4

because they make the gun less reliable. but we all know now that the endgame for gun control is gun bans. they already banned black semi-sutomatic rifles in california. Liberals dont have a leg to stand on anymore. we all know what they really want.

Nobody is going to use these. There is no possible way to remove the hundreds of millions of guns already in the country without going full doorkicker mode and starting a civil war.

Gunfights are over in seconds. By the time you draw, fuck around with an electronic that may completely fail and start getting sights on target you'd already be dead.

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>>130395569

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>>130395483
https://youtu.be/2opaGGq1Utg

>>130395483
because electronics is prone to failure

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>>130395483
Ok likely scenario is there will be a civil war in America in the 2020's

All the American Patriots guns will switch off and get bricked remotely because there was a law requiring all guns to be smart guns

Liberals and 'Smart Cities' will have been supplied with endless guns that work by the deep state and will also take over all the Militarized police equipment that has been distributed across America purely for this purpose - for SJWs and liberals to take it over in a civil war scenario and have APCs. In addition to this ISIS will be shipped in to fight alongside the liberals and behead Patriots to do psychological warfare against them

This is also why R&D is being done on ISIS using drones to drop bombs and why they are playing around with chemical weapons - to use on American Patriots

American Patriots are the last stand of Humanity against the UN world takeover

>>130395483

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

>>130423407
This is also why they will crash the stock market in Trump's term because they cannot let the Republican party regain its credibility and be seen as the good guys. They have to blame Trump for an economic meltdown or else he'll fix all the problems in America and legitimise the right wing as the victims in the world's eyes

Trump has to dismantle the Federal Reserve and the UN

>>130423769
We also have to expose the Holocaust to the masses in the next 10 years

this will destroy Jewish control and the foundations of the entire liberal position before a civil war can take place

>>130423908
We also have to stop Israel from guarding the US Nuclear weapons. In a patriots vs liberals war Israel would steal the US Nukes to stop the Patriots or the military from using it to keep liberals at bay. They would also ship terrorist Nukes in from Pakistan or others to be used by ISIS against patriots

another reason ISIS must be crushed

>>130423407

Gun nuts always think civil war is right around the corner. It never is.
Basically as bad as doomsday preppers.

>>130423769
nah democrats are faggots. nice try though.

>>130395562
It's a loophole in the second amendment.

It will finally remove weapons from the hands of crazy gun obsessed Americans without the government having to go door to door and starting a civil war/revolution.

>>130395483
Notice that neither the police nor the military use "SMART" guns.

If you have a gun it's for protection.
If your gun fails to function it's not working.
"SMART" technology is just another point of failure.
Batteries run down.
Detection systems and sensors fail.
You know what doesn't fail?
Basic gun safety.
"SMART" guns are a ploy by Commies to render everyone defenseless against Commies.
Make guns gradually more and more complex - more and more prone to failure - more and more expensive.
Commies.
I want them to declare open hostilities so they can just be wiped out like the bight they are.

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>>130424832
>without the government having to go door to door
Explain that exactly. 270-310 MILLION guns estimated in the US. How is making a niche "smart gun" going to make all the rest suddenly disappear?

>>130396715
You know how hard it is to be the dumbest fuck in this thread? Super difficult given the competition quantity. Congratulations.
No gun, in the entirety of history, has fired for 12 hours. Or even an hour. You had to swap barrels frequently so it could cool, or it would start to melt and deform. Again, congratulations.

>>130425136
because the reason behind the smart gun is so they can ban all other handguns.

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>>130397541
Just do it

>>130395483
It's adding another potential failure point on something that will save your life. Guns can jam, ammo can ftf, and your mag may even have an issue occasionally. Adding electronics is retarded and a classic leftist/Jew tactic to disarm Americans.

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>>130426468
That still doesn't explain how they're going to get the hundreds of millions of regular guns without going door to door. A lot of drugs are banned too, but that's not working out very well. And alcohol was even banned once, many people were shot to death over that matter.

Shall not. Molon labe and all that.

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>>130395483
>Why don't you want your gun to be more complicated and more prone to malfunctions and be able to be interfered with by forces outside your control?

>>130428263
Its enough for them to make them all criminals. thats all they care about. they want gun owners to be second class citizens (felons). only then will they be happy because they have basically turned their entire opposition into jail-able criminals.

>>130412032
THE EDGE

>>130399384
You fucking what? You can pull a pistol to hipfire I'm the general direction of your attacker in one second. The noise alone would make the attacker think about sticking around for another chance of getting shot.

>>130395483
It's a neat idea but A) Drive the cost up B) It would take centuries to replace the current market and old guns will be in circulation indefinitely.

>>130395483
because it's fucking retarded if you have any idea how things actually work. overly complicated nonsense that introduces potential for failure when you cannot afford it.

>>130429539
C) less reliable
D) government and others have a backdoor into your gun to prevent you from using it
E) another attempt by the left to ban guns
F) does not actually offer any benefit over regular firearms

>>130396353
This. I have a biometric lock on my handgun safe the thing works like 50/50 if I'm lucky.

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>>130395483
Lose my mind? Nah.
I just think they are stupid and I would never ever buy one.

>>130425378
Water-cooled barrels have existed for over 100 years.