What would an Ancap society actually be like?

>>130389774
Just play Eve Online

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>>130389774
shit

>>130389774
>society
haha good one

>>130389774
True AnCap is sadly impossible due to human nature, the closest we can hope for is an ultraminimal state - aka state does ONLY security and justice functions and that's it.

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only those with ultra violence and aggression
would stand a chance of survival
the weak
the non violent
95% of millennials
these people would die

fuck the weak
cannibalism would reign supreme
this is no joke
I would enjoy purring weak genes from society

>>130389774
Pretty much what you see in Somalia and Afghanistan. Warlords rule, kill whom they like, and the one making the most money stealing, murdering, dealing drugs gets to be the biggest warlord.

>>130389774
No laws, no Churches, simple hunter-gatherer or farming lifestyle, only people you can be dependant on are you family and close friends.

Basically Varg's wet dream.

>>130389832
This degenerate makes me rage every time I see him

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>>130390132

yeah because a state will stay small after you give it monopoly control of "just" the army and courts

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>>130389774
This is Ancap reality.

>>130389774
waifu vending machines

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potato's and vegetables on the street

>>130389774
Terrible. You have ultra mega op late game Capitalism mixed with Anarchy ... what do you think is going to happen?

>>130390392
Well pure anarchism (even of the anarcho-capitalist variety) would devolve into chaos very quickly and would rapidly give rise to tyranny far worse than a minimal state, warlords would claim absolute power and then you're fucked.

What do you propose then?

>>130390315
Probably there would be more need for church. Charity and community were replaced by the state.

>>130389774
the novel "Snow Crash" by Neal Stephenson is set in an ancap society.
>high tech everywhere
>Cosa Nostra, Inc.
>federal government only sets rules to be followed inside federal buildings
>gated communities are the largest units still having rules. enforcement is contracted out to Cosa Nostra, Inc.
>parallel tollways, snipers sometimes shoot at cars driving on the competitor's road
>otoh pizza delivery is always on time, because it's done by Cosa Nostra, Inc., and it is not even known what happens to the delivery boy who arrives late.

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>>130389774
Pic related. It would basically be trash.

>>130390315
>no Churches
Churches are voluntary

>>130390409
you forgot
>no white people

>>130390409
>Don't initiate force
What does this mean? Are you implying that Somalians live in peace and do not fight among themselves?

>>130390807
This picture you posted is clearly brainlet-bait.

Why would the militias serve only one client when the money is in serving multiple clients at the same time? I don't know anyone rich who has only one client.

Are you pretending to be so dumb to think that companies will actually burn resources in unnecessary levels of security and this somehow won't end with them losing their initial market? You understand that without patents and forced monopoly, there's no fucking way to create a product so superior to the competition that you can afford such practice?

Anyway, even if the company owner was so dumb, how could this militia overpower McMilitia TM who has millions of customers and wayyyyy more resources? How would they prevent temporary association of peaceful militias to destroy your private one? Do you think the owner of Zara is not more rich than the owner of a suits company that only works for the president of the US?

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>>130389774
Like this.

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>>130389774
They wouldn't post shit tier ancap balls

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>>130390807
>ancap evolves into Shadowrun
FUND IT
MAKE IT REAL

>>130389774
It maybe, and that's a big maybe, could have worked several hundred years ago before the advent of technology.

Anarchy.

But with money.

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>>130389774

>>130389774
criticism of ancap society stems from a lack of imagination

it takes an hour to dismantle hyperbole and misconceptions and by then nobody is interested in talking anymore

an obvious example would be roads. Despite private roads existing for quite some time at every level of complication, the brainlets have turned a libertarian meme lampooning a lack of imagination to a literal argument

it's not worth it to argue with such idiots on the merits because they are not capable of doing so

as leftism has learned, it's infinitely more useful to solely criticize your opponents and harmful to do anything else

>>130391465
No, I'm implying that unless there are consequences for initiating force people will do it.

>>130390592
>pure anarchism would devolve
not necessarily, I'm not an anarchist but that sort of thing would stem from a bad transition period or something

>>130391959
Somalia is a war torn country (thanks Soviets) with an average IQ of 70. No system could work in such environment.

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>>130392167
>somalia
>soviets
>burger education

>>130392167
>my magical perfect governmental system works
>except when it doesn't
Wouldn't the magical invisible hand og Go- the market just fix this problem, like it fixes all the other ones?

It would be a dictatorship because Anarchy is inherently unsustainable.

>>130392276
>Robert G. Patman
>The Soviet Union in the horn of Africa

Read, milka nigger

>>130391465
>>130391959
>>130392167
>>130392370
literal retards

somalia is a failed state, when you start with a failed state, it doesn't magically get better overnight

that said, parts of somalia were improving while it was a failed state

it isn't a good example of anarchy, just like any war torn country

>>130392540
So "nuh-huh"? Aight.

It would be incredible, technological, prosperous & moral.

You're going to have an Uber style innovation in every aspect of life; education, power generation, hospitality, peace keeping & collective defense and I can't wait to see what people could come up with.

It's going to be so cheap to live that you won't be worrying about your electricity bills anywhere near as much as we do now, we won't be worrying about being blocked from entering the labour force through ridiculous regulations and we're going to have real communities again. Community based welfare, community based socializing and communities that really represent people and their diverse preferences. Even the way the communities are built as far as town planning is going to be incredible, think Shenzhen China & Dubai style innovation and diversity.

It's going to be a lot more peaceful, I mean you can't have Ancap without a culture of liberty & natural rights and one of self responsibility crossed with social cooperation. We won't be arguing about petty shit by going to the council to fuck over our neighbours when they build a fence or a swimming pool it'd be way too pointless and costly to do that. People will be able to protect themselves or each other should they wish it. No more fanaticism around flags, chants & rituals except when it comes to meaningless shit like sports teams that don't lead to millions dying.

It won't be Utopian by any means but the stark difference is that we've grown up with so much stagnation that the real progress will feel utopian just because we haven't experience what other generations have experienced.

It would be good mate and I'd love to be that out of touch old prick telling kids how good they've got it, telling them horror stories about government wars and government regulations so ridiculous no one believes you, so far fetched from the future reality that people think you're senile for warning that it could happen again.

>>130389832
accurate

>>130391495
>Why would the militias serve only one client when the money is in serving multiple clients at the same time?

Because conflict of interest. Would you risk pissing off and losing your highest paying client for a group of poor people? Not in a free market.

Why not just have corp wars? You don't even have to have the best products, you just need more resources and manpower. Then you just wage war on your competitors and whoever supports them.

>>130389774
medieval feudalism

Somalia

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>>130389774
To be honest, it probably would be chaos and would be over before the chaos even has a chance to settle

>>130392946
>Would you risk pissing off and losing your highest paying client for a group of poor people? Not in a free market.

And how many of these companies that have conflict of interest and client exclusivity instead of global market are in the top 500 fortunes? That was my fucking point.
>Why not just have corp wars?

Because most people would not support burning their own resources in war.

Would you pay 2x for an insurance that was going around killing innocent people or pay 1x for an insurance that just protected your interests?

Seriously, next time before you reply, try to think beyond the first tier of consequences. It's pathetic that I'm having to explain this shit.

>>130392540
Think about an unstable element that decays within seconds because it has too many protons.

THATS NOT __PURE ELEMENTAL X__, that's what happens seconds later because it's so unstable it decays into it.

Dang, I guess you are right. Except sustainability and stability are a few important factors in any society that isn't a theoretically one.

>>130389774
it wouldn't ever work, anarchy is devoid of government of any kind. And as such society would fall to shit until the strongest group took control. Remove the snatch concept and it's the same as communism with as its logical end is a corporate monopoly running the show instead of the state.

>>130393215
*anarchy not snatch

>>130391822
They call us autists but funnily enough, autists can only realize concepts through observation, they have a much harder time with abstract thought than normal people.

Libertarianism and anarcho capitalism require major capabilities for abstract thinking as you described.

>>130389832
Must be pretty shitty having to pay whores to take pics with you but not being able to actually fuck them.

>>130393189
Without rules alliances form and resources are pooled because there are no real rules.
So you have this delusion that people are unaware or unable to organize.

Soon one megacorp would rise and dominate and could easily crush any would be competition and defectors.
Then it doesn't matter how skilled you are you will either join the winning team or be crushed if you ever dare to compete against them.

I'd pay 2x for any product if you pay 1x and get placed on a list and slaughtered in your home. You think without laws corporations would remain friendly? It's more profitable to be absolutely ruthless.

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>>130389840
Underrated

>>130393433
why cant he fuck them?

>>130389774
Somalia

>>130392807
>you can judge any system immediately after being under another system and a failed one at that
lol "kekistan" indeed bro

>>130393213
>compares the decay that happens after the fact with protons with the decay that happens beforehand and otherwise shows signs of recovering stability
really microwaves my hotpockets

>sustainability and stability are important
and what does this have to do with the transition periods between societies? what about after war time? is the german government of today unstable because it once was at some point?

I mean are you really arguing that if you can't recover 100% instantly once you're officially x society, it means x society doesn't work?

really retarded if you are

btw I'm not even anarcho capitalism for my own reasons, but these are pretty low tier retarded arguments you have

>>130389774
Life tm

>>130393445
>get placed on a list and slaughtered in your home

So like governments are doing now?

Arguments like yours come up a lot, and they tell so much about you as a person.
When you imagine anarchy, you imagine slaughtering innocent people. Is that what you would do if you had any power? Is that why you support governments, so they do the slaughtering for you?

You see, when ancaps think of anarchy, they think of productive work, innovation and buying stuff with bitcoin.

All this talk of slaughter, domination and shit is so fucking pathetic and shows how degenerate people have become because of government subversion.

>>130394259
>so like governments are doing now
99% of their criticisms desu

if anything anarchy would have new problems but these retards have no imagination

>>130394012
I knew my choice of flag would trigger you.

But you and every other AnCap repeatedly fail to explain why Somalia isn't the AnCap paradise in any way that doesn't show exactly why your system is unworkable.

>Somalia has all the same laws as AnCapistan, I.E. none
>Somalia should be AnCapistan
>It is not
>This is because of some intrinsic property of "niggers" specifically
>Not because of anything else
>Warlords totally would never happen among the gentlemen of white pigmentation.

Further you seem to claim that AnCapistan will never arise organically, as it requires a society fat and rich on the spoils of modernity for it to be "stable" and not turn into Somalia

And then we haven't even gotten to the part where you would literally be powerless in AnCapistan, because even if you specifically happen to be a millionaire, the richest people in the world have the money required to buy every single business in your AnCapistan paradise and turn it into a de-facto state with themselves as the supreme leaders, leading directely back to more or less the same system we have today with less comforts within few years of you complete gobshites flipping the "AnCap Switch".

>>130394012
>compares the decay that happens after the fact with protons with the decay that happens beforehand and otherwise shows signs of recovering stability

Are you even attempting to speak English or just copy pasting English words together?
You certainly did not comprehend the point.

>A failed state isn't true AnCap
>AnCap is inheriently unstable due to lawlessness
>States fail or shift into tyranny which are both much more stable
>THATS NOT AnCAP THATS SOMETHING ELSE

So just because it doesn't fail within seconds it must be perfectly sustainable. Got it.

A border ever hundred meters.

>>130390409
Friendly reminder that Somalia is the corpse of a failed socialist republic and its living standards have actually increased since the government lost control.

>>130394259
Anarchy is unstable. You can balance a lot of rocks in some interesting shapes or build a house of cards, but you simply need to slam a first on a table and the whole thing collapses.

The sad truth is that if there is no governing body of power that is capable of enforcement then one you may not appreciate will rise, or you will live through the problems of lawlessness.

Utopian societies can exist in theory if every member is hand picked and perfect. In reality people's LCD brings us down to the very brink of our own destruction. Humanity is the only flaw that destroyed most theoretical societies because people truly are ruthless murderers who dominate and slaughter each other. You simply need to look at historic civilizations or to failed states to understand rules are the only thing that keep the majority of people decent. The risk of punishment enforced by a power.

>>130389774

A jewish hellscape designed to torture whites. Ancap is fucking jewish after all, proper white libertarianism is Georgian.

>>130394462
>Further you seem to claim that AnCapistan will never arise organically
never implied that autist
>Somalia isn't the AnCap paradise in any way that doesn't show exactly why your system is unworkable.
not an ancap, but you confuse a set of rules in place with their realized equilibrium. even if it were ancap paradise, said paradise wouldn't be realized the quarter of a second after implementation, or in this case, failure of another form of government

>last paragraph is just a simplified rant with common simplistic criticisms
all of that autism didn't go to any of my points and I'll reiterate I'm not an ancap

>>130394462
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia

>Somalia (/səˈmɑːliə, soʊ-, -ljə/[6][7][8] so-MAH-lee-ə; Somali: Soomaaliya; Arabic: الصومال aṣ-Ṣūmāl), officially the Federal Republic of Somalia[1] (Somali: Jamhuuriyadda Federaalka Soomaaliya, Arabic: جمهورية الصومال الفيدرالية Jumhūrīyat aṣ-Ṣūmāl al-Fidirālīyah), is a country located in the Horn of Africa. It is bordered by Ethiopia to the west, Djibouti to the northwest, the Gulf of Aden to the north, the Indian Ocean to the east, and Kenya to the southwest. Somalia has the longest coastline on Africa's mainland,[9] and its terrain consists mainly of plateaus, plains and highlands.[3] Climatically, hot conditions prevail year-round, with periodic monsoon winds and irregular rainfall.[10]

>Somalia has an estimated population of around 16.3 million.[4] Around 85% of its residents are ethnic Somalis,[3] who have historically inhabited the northern part of the country. Ethnic minorities are largely concentrated in the southern regions.[11] The official languages of Somalia are Somali and Arabic, both of which belong to the Afroasiatic family.[3] Most people in the country are Muslim,[12] with the majority being Sunni.[13]


Somalia isn't the Ancap paradise because it has nothing to do with ancap. It's a state with a communist histroy and filled with muslims. It's literally the opposite of ancap and has never attempted any ancap policies or philosophies.

It's also not an ancap paradise because ancaps do not attempt to create a paradise. We just want to be left alone from murdering, thieving fuckheads.

It's also clear that you don't have any fucking clue about owning or running a business. I happen to own two. Please explain to me how I can turn them into de-facto states with me as the supreme leader.

>>130394428
I had more productive conversations with my uncle who had downs. Seriously. These people are beyond retarded.

>>130394468
>you didn't comprehend the point
you're comparing a fucking atoms instability, which is insanely different to society, and I did my best to use your retarded analogy

>So just because it doesn't fail within seconds it must be perfectly sustainable. Got it.
you retards are incapable of understanding logic

nowhere did I claim ancap would be sustainable or successful, and "just because it doesn't fail within seconds" has quite literally nothing to do with what I said and doesn't resemble my point at all

the point was that you cannot judge the merits of a society immediately upon it beginning, *****including***** whether or not it is sustainable

>a failed state isn't true ancap
A transition period isn't representative of any system
>ancap is inherently unstable due to lawlessness
even if this were true, you couldn't gleam that out of somalia
>that's not ancap that's something else
never said it wasn't ancap, and I specifically mentioned germany to this point

can you actually read?

>>130394886
>Utopian societies can exist in theory

Ancap is not an utopian society and ancaps do not attempt to create utopia. I dont see why this is so hard to understand for most people.

The ultimate end of ancap is freedom and self ownership. It's not space travel, it's not equality, it's not ethnic purity, it's not transhumanism, it's not imperialism or white supremacy. Ancap goal is not for everyone to have an iPhone, a sexbot and to never have to work again.

We literally just want to live free and make our own decisions. That is all we attempt.


>Anarchy is unstable
woopdi fucking doo. So is government. Maybe live is just fucking unstable. How is this an argument?

>humanity is the only flaw
Which is exactly why ancap is the only logical system. It lets people pursue their rational self interests, whatever those may be. It is the only system that can turn human flaws into producivity and innovation.

>>130395085
this has to be the most idiotic conversation I've ever had in my entire life

I've argued the same point with a communist and even that mentally deficient retard was capable of understanding what a fucking transition period is
>>130394462
>>130394468

I mean for christ sake, do you think when america adopted the constitution we instantly changed? the supreme court barely even fucking existed

>>130395726
>this has to be the most idiotic conversation I've ever had in my entire life

What baffles me the most is this:
No matter where you go in the world, people will almost always hate politicians, or at least have very strong contempt towards politicians in general.
They do like some individual politicians, but the general consensus seems to be that politicians are generally disliked.

Why is it then, that they can not entertain the thought of doing away with these systems? It's almost shizo.

>>130395501
The main point of contention is that there is nothing to prevent anarchy from collapsing back into a government system or likely something even worse. You have yet to present an argument for refuting >>130393445

It's nice you think of productive work and innovation and bitcoins when you think of anarchy. But obviously not everyone is going to be like that. There is no shortage of power hungry ruthless sociopaths in the world. What exactly is preventing the rise of a mega corporation lead by exactly those types of people? Once they've got their private army in place you can kiss your anarchy goodbye. So understandably people feel hesitant to trade in the present government, shitty as it may be, for a state of affairs that might turn out even worse.

Bringing up Somalia is the cuckiest thing you can do. You're saying environmental factors are the reason Somalians are doing so bad. Would you also apply that logic to niggers living in the west or does their genetic makeup have more to do with why they're subhuman?

I guess Somalia would be a superpower if only it was a statist regime despite having an average IQ of 70. The definition of mental retardation is anyone with an IQ under 70. You expect a country where the AVERAGE person is a legally retarded nigger to do well under a certain political system.

I hate bureaucracy. No skill pen pushers' jobs depend on government bureaucracy, legislation and regulation. Fucking cut the cancer of these made up jobs out of society.

>>130389774
Anarcho based governments eventually develop into authoritarian ones.

I guess "anarchocapitalists" would viciously compete and then eventually develop corporations which monopolize everything until the government and all industry becomes part of a single massive corporation owned by a Rothschild-like kike. So much for that economic freedom.

>>130395969
Politicians are hated for any variety of reasons, but I assume it boils down mostly to:
Politicians are powerful and enjoy high status while Joe Sixpack feels powerless and low status. Politicians are perceived as slimy scumbags who will say and do anything to preserve that power and high status. Politicians are perceived to use their power and status mostly for personal gain instead of the good of Joe Sixpack and the general public who got them elected.

If you do away with politicians, these feelings are pretty much certain to shift to whoever is powerful and high status in the new world. CEOs for example. Heck, certain CEOs and businessmen are held in strong contempt already and I can only imagine it getting worse in ancapia.

>>130396564
What is there to prevent a government system from collapsing? It seems to me that most government systems are headed that way.

If there is no shortage of power hungry ruthless sociopaths, would it be wise to provide them with centralized power structures, nuclear weapons and large standing armies to subvert, like we are doing now?
Or would it perhaps be wiser to have a system where such people can actually be punished by market forces?
Do you think a Merkel could create anything valuable, and rise to a position of power on her own? Do you think Trump would be anybodies concern right now, if there simply had been no position of all powerful POTUS for him to grab?

I'll tell you what would prevent the rise of a mega corporation. Competition. But even if a mega corp would arise, I will tell you what will stop them from creating a private army to enslave the people. Profit and common sense.

Why exactly would a corp like, say, Amazon, making hundreds of billions by serving the people, suddenly change their entire business model to start using violence? Do you have any idea how difficult and expensive that would be? Where would they find the hundreds of thousands of thugs, willing to engage in violence against innocent people, to form their private army?
What sense would there be in investing billions of dollars to create an army to then steal from the people or kill your competition, when you could invest those same billions of dollars to create superior products and grow your profits?
What might the result be if a company suddenly decided to engage in violence? What effect would that have on the market?
Remember the american airlines incident. It took only one person getting roughed up, and American Airlines lost over a billion in shares in one single day. That is "the invisible hand", that is market force.

everybody would be autistic

>>130397223
Competition and monopolies are mutually exclusive.

>>130397257
>CEOs and businessmen are held in strong contempt already
An image cultivated by the second handers, aka politicians. Are there contemptible CEOs or outright evil ones? Most certainly. But most likely, those are involved in politics anyway.

Maybe, without politicians, Joe Sixpack will get a job in the countless new businesses starting up and actually earn money and make a decent life for himself.

>>130397795
Also, once you do away with the concept of government as we know it, which boils down to institutionalized violence, you can do away with all the "perks" it comes with.

There would be no need for large standing armies, alphabet agencies or presidents.

>>130397831
This

>>130389774

Small private covenant-based communities. Like thousands of Liechtensteins and other modern "microstates"

>>130394259
>if everyone was just nice to eachother AnCap would work
that's also true of communism you retard

>>130389774
if effective all white

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a living hell

>>130393780
>gassing the saviour of the white race

>>130398994
trust isn't something ancap fags propose, it's that the market will force mutually beneficial behavior

>>130396564

>What exactly is preventing the rise of a mega corporation lead by exactly those types of people?

The same thing that prevents modern states from rising that way.

>plunder the booty of a McShip
>sail into another corporate zone
>pay 5% of loot for the toll
>escape while McNavy is mobilizing and preparing to pay the toll for entry into the McZone
>fire nuke cannon at McZone
>plunder

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>>130389840
>>130393526

I have a few of pic related

>>130399150
The entirety of human fucking history shows you why this is mind-breakingly retarded as an outlook

>>130394767
those who'se living standards were bad when the government was in controll died shortly after it lost controll, but killing poor people isn't actually increasing the living standards

>>130400449
no system with large communities runs on trust retard

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>>130389774

>>130389774
literally fallout like communities struggling for survival

ofc you'll have nigger hordes roaming the lands trying to raid these white settlements. Whites will be trapped and genocided just like what happened in Zimbabwe when the "evil statist government" fell and anarchy and niggers took over.

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>>130389774
>get up in the morning
>uppity communist covenant decided to declare war
>their truck breaks down because lmao no roads
>mow them down with my helicopter

>>130400633
it runs on fear from the government, it's what forces companies to pay you more than a moldy loaf of bread and what forces thugs not to shoot people, fear is what people need to survive in large numbers, throughout history it was fear of god, but people don't believe in god anymore, the government therefor do god's work and strike fear into the hearts of the wicked

>>130390409
>ancap
>not 99% white ideology
Pick one.

no roads

>>130401182
>it's what forces companies to pay you more
lol

>>130399089
Do we have to go over this again?

>>130400719
>implying white communities wouldn't pull a Zulu and destroy the hordes

>>130389774
Like flying a kite made of dead skin through a burning puppy field :D

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The jews would have even more control over us

>>130394462
Do humanity a favour and stop breathing.

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>>130389774
>Ancap
>Society

>>130402116
>the irony being lost upon the person who wrote this
>as well as the one who posted it

>>130398941
thats not at all what I said, fgt.

>>130401182
>the state is god

typical statist cuck

>>130397795
any wealthy entity or person needs security, normally the state will provide it, but in the absence of a state they must do it themselves. the greater their wealth, the more security they need.
eventually, they will spend so much money on security that it will be mroe profitable for them to send their security and extort others.

>>130403525
>the state will provide security
http://www.war-memorial.net/wars_all.asp

You're also implying that demand and cost of security increase in a linear, constant fashion, which is simply wrong.

>>130403803
i never implied that, im saying its gets so expensive that in order to justify it they need to send out their cops and beat people up

>>130404029
Do you have anything to back up that claim?

>>130389774
no roads

>>130404182
logic

>>130404276
there is nothing logic about your claim

>>130404584
yes there is.
its simply return on investment. security needs to be paid for, and the only way its being profitable is if it goes and kicks some peoples shit in for money

>>130389774
Somalia

>>130402332
>when you are as dumb as a brick

>>130404729
like I said, you are assuming a linear increase in security demand and cost, which is not rooted in reality.

Your claim that a person will need security in some ratio to his wealth is wrong. If 4 bodyguards can keep a millionaire save, why can't they keep a billionaire save?

>>130405311
its about assets dumbass. if you have a lot of assets, you NEED a lot of security

>>130405391
but if I have a lot of assets, I am also very rich and can pay for that security.

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>>130389774
If it was all WASPs?
Paradise

>>130405594
but you want to make money for that as well, since its a recurring cost, and the way to make money of your security assets is to use them to get other peoples money

>>130389774
AnCap society would last about a week until free individuals form coalitions in their localities to establish rules, customs, and ethics to be enforced. Basically an anarchy society cannot exist since eventually people are going to form some sort of government to set rules.

Especially with AnCappers larping about businesses existing in an anarchy society. What if two AnCap business establish a contract? Will they get it notarized by a third party? Then they have some rules established and some form of enforcement which is order, not anarchy.

Why do people not understand this? Even niggers in Africa don't have anarchy and they are basically animals. Even animal packs don't function on Anarchy. The Africans, they have rules and customs that decide what old man gets to let young boys eat his cum for strength and make women stretch their mouths with big wood disks. Then the rest of the little nigs finger cows for their piss to dye their hair because the nigger tribe demands it. Anarchy is not possible for a long term society.

>>130389774
Go watch The Walking Dead. Think of the undead as poor people. That is your Ancap utopia for you.

>>130391818
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>>130406759
the way to make money of security assets is by having them provide security for your money generating assets

If you put a coffee machine in your office, you don't start selling coffee to pedestrians so you can make money of your coffee machine. You buy the coffee machine so your employees can be more productive and make you more money.

Do you have even the slightest idea about how to make money or run a business?


>>130406865
please read up on what Anarchocapitalism entails.
Anarchy means without rulers, not without rules.
It means without initiation of violence, not without enforcement of contracts.
It does not mean without order. It just means without arbitrary order imposed on you by some gang.

>>130397795
>What is there to prevent a government system from collapsing?
The government's own efforts to preserve itself. Doesn't work all of the time, obviously, at least not for specific governments. But the fundamental system of government rule itself is very stable as evidenced by the history of mankind. Even if any specific gov't is toppled, it swiftly gets replaced by another. Anarchy on the other hand doesn't provide any institution that works to prevent anarchy from being toppled, or else you've got a state again.

>If there is no shortage of power hungry ruthless sociopaths, would it be wise to provide them with centralized power structures, nuclear weapons and large standing armies to subvert?
Big corporations are also centralized power structures. If big corps can't outsource their security needs to gov't funded police anymore, their own security force will evolve into de facto standing armies. Maybe big corps are not interested in nukes to guard their interests, but you don't need nukes to erect an oppressive regime.

>Why exactly would a corp suddenly change their entire business model to start using violence?
They don't need to change their business model all of the sudden. Stuff like this happens incrementally. First, Amazon would grow simply big enough to push its competition out of the market, aiming for a monopoly in as many sectors as possible. Secondly, they'll need a mighty security force to protect their property. Then slowly over time they can start to use that security force to protect their business interests a little more proactively. Using black ops to sabotage any emerging rival business would simply start out as a sensible business decision to protect Amazon's profits and monopolies. It can easily get worse in any number of ways from there if only the management is ruthless, greedy and power hungry enough.

>Where would they find the hundreds of thousands of thugs?
The same way regular states find their thugs?

>>130405099
>the entire selling point of anarchism is volunteerism and a lack of government force
>post and image mocking anarchy for turning into government lack those two things in their attempt at strawmanning

>when you are as dumb as a brick
ancap and libertarian criticism used to be an intelligent challenge, it's been so shit since reddit moved in

>>130407638
you are the idiot. you dont make any money off security that you just use to protect yourself, its a cost that adds to the cost of your production.

>>130407638
>It does not mean without order. It just means without arbitrary order imposed on you by some gang.

So who imposes the order? Is a group of people with a common interest making rules not a gang? Is that not a government of sorts?

>>130389774
Good news everybody! This anarchistic utopia has been achieved in Somalia.

>>130389774
Just like somalia,Steal something then demand ransom

>>130389774
Non existant

>>130389774
All societies are already ancap. This is what happens when you let everyone do as they please, they form societies.

>>130401745
HAHAHAHAHA STRASSERISM HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>130407744
>The government's own efforts to preserve itself.
And anarchist societies could not undertake their own efforts at self preservation? Is it desirable, from a citizen point of view, if governments undertake efforts at self preservation? Historically speaking, probably not.

It's not a strong argument if the worst possible outcome of anarchism is the current status quo.

Corporations, besides being a legal construct, do not claim a monopoly on violence. They're not remotely comparable to government structures, since they function entirely different. They are not at all centralized, since they have to compete on the market. Yes, one corporation might have a centralized internal hierarchy, but take over one corp and you have one corp. Take over the gov and you have the entire country. Totally different things.

Your further arguments are all based on the assumptions that Amazon could simply push its competition out of the market, and that it would somehow be profitable to engage in "black ops business". The arguments are also constructed with violence in mind, ignoring other venues of approach. Why would Amazon sabotage an emerging competitor, instead of buying them out and integrating their infrastructure and knowledge?

I could also make the argument that your worst case scenario once again is already happening. Just look at the US military industrial complex and the perpetual wars in the middle east. This is basically what you described, happening in real life, using government as the vehicle / centralized power structure.

>The same way regular states find their thugs?
Misguided patriotism and lies? Does not sound sustainable to me.

>>130397795
>>130407744
>Remember the american airlines incident. It took only one person getting roughed up, and American Airlines lost over a billion in shares in one single day. That is "the invisible hand", that is market force.
Obviously American Airlines is not nearly powerful enough to use violence nilly-willy. But now imagine American Airlines was owned by Mega Google. Google can easily prevent you from uploading incriminating video footage to Youtube where it would have the most exposure and generate the biggest outrage and pushback. Google can prevent incriminating search results coming up in its engine. Google can abuse its power easily to guard its business interests. So you might argue people will flock to Google's competitors if they learn that Google is withholding crucial information from them. But will they really? They probably won't even learn the truth of Google's power abuses. Present Google is already in a better position than anyone to wage information warfare. It's really easy to imagine a hypothetical Mega Google to control the media market with an iron fist. But even if the public learned of the scandal: How many people will really forsake Google's superior services because of some minor transgression of their airline subsidiary? Not too many. Mega Google would have a lot of leeway to pull off shady shit if it invests just a little effort to prevent the public from learning it.

Besides, it's rather telling a small time corporation like AA thought they could get away with treating its customers that way. I only expect this to get much worse if corporations were allowed to rule the world.

>>130408601
Here's a protip for your dumbass: not everything a business does is directly generating money.

Running a business costs money, because you have to pay for all kinds of shit necessary to run a business. That shit itself does not make you any money, but allows you to run your business which is making money.

Security is just another cost like electricity, rent or providing a fucking coffee machine. After a business grows to a certain size, it is advisable to get some security to operate in an efficient manner.


>>130408652
Can you do me a favor and understand the difference between voluntary agreements and compulsion?

>>130409315
and security in an ancap society is going to be really expensive, since there is no state to provide it.
it will be in fact the entire preoccupation of wealthy owners, because they have a lot of assets to protect.
im talking about easily at least 20% of assets going just to security, with no upper limit

>>130409582
>since there is no state
it would only be cheaper than it is currently because the market would be much larger

>>130389840
This is actually smarter than it sounds.

>>130409761
no, an arms race has no upper limit

>>130395969
They hate other people even more.

>>130409051
Once again your worst case scenario is allready happening IRL.
Just look at the alphabet agencies ruling the world now.
I would rather be "ruled" by companies actually providing good services to make money.

You are blind on both eyes man. The worst shit you can come up with is allready happening all over the world, perpetrated by governments with no accountability and an unlimited amount of money, which they either extort or simply create out of thin air.

Do you realise that we have governments spying on people, torturing and bombing people with impunity? Toppling regimes and placing embargoes all over the world, with no regard to the consequences?
We have governments and proxy governments engaging in world scale social engineering, displacing millions of people with partly barbaric "cultures" and settling them in previously homogenic societies, patting themselves on the back, going after "tax evaders" while literally stuffing their faces with extorted money...


Don't get me wrong. Your arguments follow a certain logic and the things you describe could happen under very specific circumstances. BUT please take a look around you and see the reality we already live in. And then tell me again your concern about Amazons security forces.

>>130409819
>arms race
nice meme

>>130392824
I am going to dump so much heavy metal sludge into your watershed. Enjoy your cancer, ancap.

>>130409582
it's going to be cheap as fuck, because there would be no barriers to market entry, no regulations on weapons trade and production, no regulations on weapon ownership or handling.

security could be the most common job in an ancap society, because everyone could just get some training, pick up some guns and apply for a security position.

>>130409822
but why?

>>130410135
ancap is the meme

>>130410219
enjoy getting shot for trespassing, then sued for damaging his property and causing emotional distress and attempted murder

>>130410004
It's not on that level yet really. You're overblowing things.

Also, do you really not think companies wouldn't be even worse? Low IQ unskilled immigration is good for business. They'd literally get rid of borders because they believe in completely free movement of labor and capital. The world would be a much more dangerous place.

>>130410282
no legitimacy

a concept you autists don't understand

>>130389774
>ancap
>society
>choose one

>>130410282
>security is just some guys with guns
no, im talking about tanks and planes and bombs and all the logisitical requirements to use them, because thats what the technology currently is

>>130410282
Yeah that sounds safe. Just let anyone with gun protect themselves with no oversight.

>>130389774
Self-contained private towns and cities. For the vast majority of the USA, it probably wouldn't look much different.

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>>130389774
It'd evolve into minarchy if done properly. If it's done in a country of soft faggots like the UK it degenerates into monarchy,

>>130410412
Have you taken a look at the middle east sometime in the last 50 years?

> They'd literally get rid of borders because they believe in completely free movement of labor and capital.
So? Don't you want to be able to freely move wherever you want?

You realize ancap means no welfare state, but freedom of association and discrimination right?
The only people having an incentive to migrate would be those able to actually be productive.
Also, people tend to go where their family goes.

>>130410454
>no legitimacy
explain pls

>>130410500
Okay you double nigger, why would Amazon use tanks, planes and bombs to protect a warehouse?

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>>130389774
Constant tribal warfare.

>>130410560
Sounds a lot more safe than getting mowed down by terrorists with no way to fight back desu.

>>130410817
becuase neighbouring states or corporations have planes and tanks

>>130408965
>Your further arguments are all based on the assumptions that Amazon could simply push its competition out of the market
This is not unprecedented. Microsoft might have pulled it off back in the day if the US didn't push back against their practices. The costumers did not stop Microsoft from stifling competion and building a monopoly. It can happen, and over a long enough period of time very likely WILL happen.

>Why would Amazon sabotage an emerging competitor, instead of buying them out and integrating their infrastructure and knowledge?
I assume this is how Amazon would first gain their control of the market, by buying out all the competition. But I imagine that at some point it becomes far cheaper to use some well placed violence or at least corporate espionage against competitors than engaging in another costly buyout. Either way, competition will be stifled despite being held up as the mechanism that is supposed to prevent powerful and corrupt megacorps from emerging in the first place.

>take over one corp and you have one corp. Take over the gov and you have the entire country
Even at present, a lot of corporations are more powerful than local governments, since they pretty much have them in their pockets. Take over Microsoft and you pretty much take over Redmond. Take over the Grupo Carso and you might as well have taken over Mexico. With no states, big corps could rule those lands as they please, because they'll own everything on it.

>>130410004
>Once again your worst case scenario is allready happening IRL
True enough but my argument is basically: You cannot escape this. You cannot escape the fact that there are power hungry sociopaths out there who want to rule over you and exploit you. At present a lot of these people occupy government positions, because that is where they get their power fix. Once you abolish government, they'll look for the next best venue which will then be the big corporations. And you'll be right back where you started

>>130410913
>White culture
>Internal tribal warfare
Pick one

Take a drive across America sometime.

>>130410817
I'd rather not have hundreds of millions of people from countries that are clearly ass backwards flooding into first world nations. I can already move freely basically where I want with minimal interference. You say discrimination, but that's easier said then done where there's a second column that outnumbers you. It's a pipe dream.

The Middle East is just geopolitics. It's the way the world has worked for millenia, people with competing interests.

>>130410936
M8 terrorists aren't anyone down in any significant way. If anything, because of the lack of intelligence services, terrorists would be more well armed and more common in ancap world.

>>130411161
>he thinks people don't exclude if they are free to do so
>he thinks niggers would go anywhere without gibsmedats

>>130411286
Aren't mowing*

>>130411123
A tribe can be any group you know.

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>>130411123
america is full of tribal identities like race and "nationality"

>>130411286
All terrorist organizations are funded by states. Where do you think ISIS got their Toyotas and ARs?

>>130411406
Nope. That's pretty much confined to a few big cities. Geographically speaking, the vast majority of the USA lives peacefully

>>130390203
I'll probs have to have my PMCs execute you for eating my customers

>>130390203
>I'm a tough guy
Your police run around with sticks. Clearly it's not the government that's stopping you.

>>130411636
>a few big cities
where the majority live

>>130411410
Ummm. U dont know much do u. Since Toyotas are an egypt company and ARs are made in germany by h&k

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>>130389774
>Implaying that there has been no ancap nations in History
protip ROME

>>130411808
That's irrelevant. Are you literally retarded?

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>>130411922
>American asking singapore if he's retarded
WEW

>>130411922
>look at all that empty space that has no people see they dont fight
yea fuck off

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>>130389774

>>130410952
And would use those to attack Amazon warehouses?


>>130411065
First of, if a company actually manages to create a monopoly through nonviolent means, then it is not necessarily a bad thing. I doubt it can be sustained long. In fact, arent monopolies somewhat natural occurence? If I am the first to create a product, dont I have a monopoly on it - until someone else developes a similar product?

>Either way, competition will be stifled despite being held up as the mechanism that is supposed to prevent powerful and corrupt megacorps from emerging in the first place.
This is just your assumption. You imagine it would be cheaper to engage in espionage and violence, but that is not necessarily true. Violence could be noticed, questions could be asked. There is a huge risk involved in engaging in violence for a company, or entity, relying on providing a service to survive.
I can imagine it going that way too, but that's not really a strong argument. The possible, in my opinion very far fetched negative outcomes of ancap are outweighed heavily by the more likely positive outcomes.

>Even at present, a lot of corporations are more powerful than local governments, since they pretty much have them in their pockets.
Which is why ancaps want to take away governments ability to restrict the market. Once government can no longer interfere in markets, companies can no longer control them to violently pursue their interests. They can then resort to the risky tactics you describe, or they will have to engage in proper competition.

>And you'll be right back where you started
I disagree. I totally agree that malevolent people will pursue ways of realizing their malevolence, but without government structures, the non malevolent people will be in a much better position to resist them. Either way, it's no reason to not give it a try, if the worst that can happen is going back to the status quo.

>>130412171
if amazon had some good shit in their warehouses sure would.

>>130389774
>Ancap
>society
Pick one.

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>>130411844
Please get yourself checked for Down Syndrome.

>>130412075
You're fucking autistic a lot of people live in smaller towns.

>>130412253
>What is Rome

>>130389774
Just watch Mad max 2/3/4

>>130412425
>It's a city and a fallen empire
>nothing to do with ancap though

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>>130412543
>He thinks that Rome has nothing to do with ANCAP

>>130412296
>im not talking about the majority living in cities that fight, im mean the minority living in towns that dont fight
>yes thata what i meant when i said america

>>130412631
>i'm a retard and think a kingdom, a republic or an empire could be ancap
>god damn, I'm such a fucking retard
>my retardation is overwhelming

>>130404222
Dirt roads will form naturally over time as trade routes are established

>>130390409
This is the biggest strawman I see on this damned board and I'm not even Ancap.

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>>130389774
Great until your family is raped and murdered because you thought a few guns were sufficient enough to keep your neighbors at bay.

>>130389774
refer to 1000ce Europe

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>>130389774
Probably very similar to what transpired to pre European incursions into north America.

>A Lot of trading, hunting, fucking, and fighting.
>Minimal leadership only important issues decided by elder council
>When you don't even have a name or concept of government in any sense is when I suppose you achieve pure anarchy

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>>130412826
shhhh just memeballs now.

Depends on the IQ of the population

It would be like a civil war but without civil in front of it, because there's no country anymore.

>>130413267
They did it for decades.

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>>130413475
Realy?
That makes it even more hilarious.

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Eve Online

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>>130389840
Fuck beaten to it

>>130389840
tru

>>130413816
backstory?

>>130414192
I think that was "The Fountain War".

desu that happens nearly every month tho so I'm not sure

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there would be many small covenants
ancaps who haven't looked into how society works think that everyone would own houses individually
this is not true almost all people would live under a private law society controlled by a sort of monarch
this society could vary from very socialist to laissez-faire as long as each individual has moved there through contract immigration or if born there the ability to leave at will,
ancaps are not anarchists as anarchy would believe in no laws stating that you cannot do something we do believe in law
ancaps should believe in the idea of private law society's as it is the only way of maintaining a society without government
so for example if a nazi wanted to live in a national socialist white ethnostate society he could choose to or if there is not one he could purchase mass land and establish a natsoc society
ree you people do not understand anything
https://mises.org/library/idea-private-law-society
https://mises.org/library/state-or-private-law-society

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>>130414192
>>130414376
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodbath_of_B-R5RB

>>130410387
Don't forget being refused from every business and completely ostracized by the rest of society until he pays a fair price for his crime. I imagine there would be some pretty damning video surveillance of this clown committing his crime, considering we already live in a world where video surveillance equipment is dirt cheap.

I have to say that the most annoying thing about being an ancap is having to deal with idiots/trolls who can't/refuse to think more than 1 logical step past an initial proposition. It's like they think if there were no laws, going around doing shit that other people didn't like would be a great idea because there is some immediate short-term gain. Meanwhile, no mind is payed to the fact that there would be an undesirable response from the people they've annoyed. When you take the costs into consideration, the only practical way to get through life is to strive to be as useful to other people as possible.

>>130414874
fuck man now I need to reinstall again.

I wonder if my corp still hasn't kicked me out

>>130414666
>you just need to purge commies jews and undesirables to achieve our society
hmm sounds familiar

>>130415274
also holy shit my character is now almost 10 years old.

And that's not even my oldest

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>>130415330
is that a problem for you?
ancap will only work for white people any possibly asian
anyone with a high iq that isnt jewish
just saying if you owned a society would you want mass jewish immigration

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>>130389774
China.

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like star trek with guns and traps and female sexbots and football games with mutated animal monsters and pill that make u keep abs eating 60k calories a day

ever seen african mud huts?
well the difference that to usa

then usa the mud hut
capitalist sociaety be usa but maybe even further ahead gap wise

capitalism has nothign to do with anarchy by the way, which is what u get when have democratcy and special interests vying to steal tax money

capitalist society 1% mor less gdp be gov spending

>>130390311
fucking kraut faggot, son of a literal spviet rapetoy talking back to his superior. you stupis autistic fuck we beat your asses twice and will do it again if you give us a reason to. your whole country is a for US military, you are occupied and beneath us, you piece of shit, we will occupy your worthless country until 2099 then jam our cocks down your throats and add another hundred years to the areangement. Your country will never be independent again, we own ou, you will never be allowed to have a kilitary again, if you ever stand up we will bitchslap you and sit you back down faster than you can say "heil" stupid faggot kraut thinking hes people. Son of a soviet rapetoy and brother of Ahmeds rapetoy calling other people retards when its shameful to even be a German and Germans themselves are too cucked and too fucked and too sissified by being dominated in battle that they are ashamed of saying they are Germans. Within a few generations your pathetic scourge of a people will be bred out of existence because youre not allowed to fight the immigrants, because US Army will rape you if you form even a militia you dumb faggot.

>>130415035
>the only practical way to get through life is to strive to be as useful to other people as possible.

exactly.
that's the whole rational self interest thing, but people somehow can't wrap their head around it. idk why they feel threatened so much they can't even entertain an idea for a second before resulting to strawmen shit.
Even more funny is that irl most people actually more or less live an ancap life. They aren't dicks to their neighbours because it's illegal, but because it would have negative social consequences.

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>>130415638
>typing
>exact same webm
>exact same letters, capitalization and dot
BROTHER

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>>130415977
As autistic as that is I love you

>>130391672
wtf I'm an ancap now?

>>130416144
Kek, well, China is the true ancap success story. /pol/ just doesn't want to admit it.

>>130399512
Like ISIS?

>>130389774
Something like Somalia.

>>130418673
>>130418536
Blacks and muzzies can't grasp the concept of not beating each other with sticks how do you expect them to learn the free market

>>130390311
sub 80 IQ populations though.
Not like they would sustain a civilized society regardless of how it was structured.

>>130391596
Can that text be any less readable

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>>130389774
I'd be pretty comfy

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>>130389840
This

So basically nothing would happen at all because of the NAP till a big corporation decided to fuck over a rival for giggles

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>>130390203

So basically armstrongs perfect country?

>>130390132
>Best case society is literally bioshock

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all you had to do was listen. you blew it.

Would I be allowed to live in a tinker's hut on my own land, going into town occasionally for a few supplies, and cherry pipe tobacco?

>>130389774
a sad joke that would last for exactly five minutes before a rich asshole would hire an army of mercenaries to try and take over as much land as they can & exactly five minutes later a thousand other rich assholes would steal the idea & before the end of the forthnight we'd have a post-apocalyptic feudal system in place.

>>130421597
here's a hint

rich assholes usually are rich because they provide services to others

>>130394767
any country's living standards would go up after the failure of its' socialist government, Hell if Sahara were to unite under a socialist government they'd probably have a sand shortage in under a month...

>>130389774
It would speak mandarin and be communist.

>>130422086
>rich assholes usually are rich because they provide services to others
or they inherited their money from someone who provided services to others & they may or may not give a flying fuck about the people around them (in fact considering the human nature I find it rather likely that a person who can literally "buy loyalty" wouldn't bother giving a fuck about others as long as they can solve every problem with either money or violence, and in an AnCap society if you have money you can simply buy all the violence you want)

>>130389832

Lol the left girl is so fake it hurts. I always find these "Rich alpha males" instagram funny cause they always are with obvious plastic golddiggers and act like they're hot shit because of it.

>>130422814
many people who inherit money have been contributing to that inheritance long before inheriting it. most heirs are likely not rich kids of instagram.

>in an AnCap society if you have money you can simply buy all the violence you want
Only if it's voluntary in which case it's not an issue.

>>130422814
>they may or may not give a flying fuck about the people around them

Who cares? If they sold their services, it is because someone bought them. If someone bought them, it is because they thought it would be better for them if they did so.

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Let us consult the children's books

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Fin

>>130389774
Reassembling into a state of course.

>>130391437

>not realizing North Eastern (ie, horn of africa) Africans are more Caucasoid than Negroid as proven by DNA analysis.

>>130423376
>Who cares? If they sold their services, it is because someone bought them. If someone bought them, it is because they thought it would be better for them if they did so.
it seems you are incapable of processing what you read: there are two individuals referenced in the post you replied to: individual #1 made the money, individual #2 inherited it, it's individual #2 whose giving a fuck about others is in question here, individual #1 provided services so they probably did care about others, but that says nothing about individual #2, there are reputedly rich people who don't even understand the concept of money beyond the fact that they give money to someone and that someone does something for them in exchange for it, if this is possible I'd say there are also rich people who think that money makes anything they do right & anyone who needs to do something in order to have money is beyond them.

>>130413267
>>130413599
Jesus Christ, proofread your memes.

free markets would make everything cheap and plentiful including pussy

Seriously, is there a more retarded political ideology than ancap?

>inb4 ancom or some other meme tier shit

>>130389774
Like New Hampshire mostly, or like biggest cities of Russia.

>>130393780
>>130399089
Hey guys we're supposed to be friends

>>130424370

... and I'm talking about individual #2. The amount of giving a fuck about others is irrelevant here, if #2 wants to keep getting money he must provide a service that has to be bought.

>>130419982
Pretty much. Actually Steven Armstrong was the first red pill I took that made me an ancap

>>130391610
I actually took that story and turned into a 10 page story with more strawmen, amd ancap.

>>130389774

The ugly children would be soldiers. The pretty ones concubines.

>>130394462
>sub 80 IQ animals
>fail to explain
Triggered yet?

>>130410282

>it's going to be cheap as fuck, because there would be no barriers to market entry

Land, air, spectrum, etc etc. Natural resources are natural monopolies and natural barriers to entry. Whether getting exclusive ownership of such natural resources can be said to be a natural right (hint : no) is irrelevant to that simple fact.

Geo-libertarians have a solution for this, ancaps are up jew-creek without a paddle.

>>130414532
How is this even bad? A baby is a fiscal responsibility and the hospital is probably better than than a socialist degenerate to be raising it.

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>>130415638
>Authoritarian regime

Moreover, free competition is not always good. Free competition in
the production of goods is good, but free competition in the production
of bads is not

-t HH Hoppe

>>130424775
>if #2 wants to keep getting money he must provide a service that has to be bought.
which part of "rich guys hiring mercenary armies to take over the land" and "post-apocalyptic feodal society" was too hard for you to understand?

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>>130389774
We'd all be rich as fuck and flying around in drones by now

>>130425092
nigger there would be no barriers to enter the market of being a security guard

>>130425428
which part of "getting shot in the face" was too hard for you to understand?

>>130425428

What prevents rich countries from doing the same? Is there a "World Police" to prevent evil rich countries from taking over other lands?

>>130389774
Probably like
Ancient Rome

Ancap is a plausible system of government, certainly more plausible than any other form of Anarchism. My problem with it is that it's not fit to purpose.
To my understanding, Ancap is about freedom at all costs. Noble. But if I got in my car right now and picked a direction, I could drive anywhere in the continental United States. That's freedom, pure and simple.
But imagine doing that in Ancapland. Just getting a map accurate to current territory would be expensive. Then I have to plan out how to avoid dangerous communities, trespassing and heavy tolls. I would have to know places for trustworthy gas, food, water and repairs for every step of my trip. I would have to know the names and contact information of trustworthy emergency services as well. Add it all up and it would take days if not weeks of planning.
So while you have the freedom to travel in Ancapland, that freedom must be wrought by hard effort, instead of given as a right in the way a state can. It's kind of like how in America you have the "right" to vote, as long as you meet a list of conditions, sign up for the draft, you trust the vote machine, etc.
The second problem is that forming an Ancap area would be difficult to do by any other means than violence, a bitter pill for people who only want to defend themselves.
I think we should try to reform the state, give people as many rights as possible, and shrink the size of the state greatly. It's idealistic, I admit, but it seems like the path that saves the most lives, and I won't be willing to abandon it until it's clearly impossible.

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>>130425800
you never once said anything about the threat of violence acting as a deterrent against rich people using their wealth to live like kings at the expense of everyone else.

>>130389840
This is unironically true. EVE is ancap through and through. Corporations and individuals of all sizes control everything from the markets to the space stations. The NAP is usually followed, and if broken, retaliation is brutal and swift.

>>130426070
well, not everything USA and the other world powers do when interfering in other coutries' affairs is always purely out of furthering their own economic or geopolitical interests...

>>130412631
No.
Ancap has never existed. There may have been levels of anarchy within a kingdom, but "ancap" has N E V E R existed. Rome had laws, so it wasn't ancap, not a group of individuals contracted to each other arguing about shekels. The GLORY OF ROME would never be a feature in any anarchic society because "glory isn't profitable mannn"

>>130428668
>Ancap never existed

Close but not quite. Ancap has breifly existed by accident on a couple ocasions. They never existed long enou to really analyize what would an ancap society look like if it matured.
>Early Colonial Philidelphia
>Early western settlments

Does anyone have the /pol/ ball with the text "When democrats say that there were clear good and evil sides to WW2 and you totally agree"?

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>>130411797

>>130427471
>a videogame
>ancap
hahaha

>>130389774
Ancaps are jews. This is the heaviest redpill

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>>130389840
Literally in a CTA right now.

>>130431687
They hate commies WAY too much to be jews. They're also extremely critical of the government and call it. I don't buy it.

>>130389774
Individual with gun meets individual with gun
They make a corporation and get more people with guns
People without guns come to them for protection and trade labour and commerce for stability and protection
That company competes with other companies and create conglomerates and alliances to serve their interests.

>>130389774
It would probably end in large corporations running a lot of major things and having violent feuds with other large corporations and probably small nations.

Still, as long as they aren't making the laws and people are free, corporations will get shit done and do so efficiently. Want an example of how efficient they are? Look at all the government leaks compared to those from the corporate world. You see mother fucking CIA's secrets getting exposed but you'll never see Coca-Cola's recipe. Ever.

There would still be government in ancap. It just wouldnt be compulsory you dips. It&apos;s still profitable to let someone use your roads for example in exchange for a fee. But you wouldnt be&nbsp; compelled to pay for nigger welfare just because you want to use the roads. Some societies might say: fuck off, pay the whole package or you dont get roads. But they couldnt then coerce you to pay at all. How to preserve this basic simple right of not being coerced into any sort of arrangement is another thing. But the basic idea is to take the sovereignity over the land from the government and give it to the people that own that land. <br>
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Why do you hate freedom you fucks? There would still be an america. Or a germany. They just couldnt force you to participate if it sucks. Successfull (prolly white cause lets be real) communities would prosper and the less profitable shitholes would die out. If you love natsoc just make a natsoc state. But I shouldnt be forced to take part in it only because I happen to own land within or in proximity to your community. Your community, your country, would be wherever the people participating own the land . And I can have my little anarchistic commune right smack in the middle of it and I leave your property alone and you mine. <br>
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I do concede that the only viable way to live in such a state of individual sovereignity and to protect a simple : Nobody may impose any form of contract on another without their consent (my version of the nap) would be to have an apparatus above all people solely dedicated to that function. But for that apparatus to be both capable to enforce and incorruptable it would have to be a god given degree. By an actual tangible god. Maybe we can figure out some AI routine for that. Those who pay are protected. Those who dont are free and fair game. As far as it concerns the apparatus. <br>
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Every thread until it sticks.

Everything is gated communities. No niggers are allowed.

>>130389774
I welcome ancapistan because the company I keep can create a feifdom

>>130389832
is that john's dad

>>130389774
Heaven of reason and achievement, of course.