/PSCG/ Private Space Colony General - No Roads In Space Edition

>>130377793
College is free around here.

Also, Mars is a meme, Venus is where the fun is at.

Fuck Musk, he is getting old and still wants the media attention. He is like a bad version of Arnold Schwarzenegger.

>>130377893
He is a bit of a tool for media attention but the 'nutty' hyperloop project seems to actually be coming along.

>VENUS
literally the roman god of degeneracy

>>130377793
Elon Musk is a good entrepreneur but an asshole who promises nothing but vaporware

>>130377893
40% income tax is also free in Germany

wake me up when we build a space ramp or space gun. thrustershit will never be viable.

>>130377893
venus is the better option for terraforming and habitation by a long shot for a lot of reasons, but mars is easier to generate interest in for scientific missions.

>>130378210
>Falcon 9
>vaporware

sucking putin's cock so hard thought the ULA rockets were a good deal?

>CHARGE MORE FOR COLLEGE

>>130377793
In 2017 America it's cheaper to fly to Mars than to put a kid through college. Really makes you think.

>>130377793
at the rate which college tuition is rising, I don't see anything wrong with his statement.

and he could probably achieve it without having to do anything except wait.

Every single piece of news I see about Elon Musk is about what he's said or promised and never about what he's done.

>>130377893
>Mars is a meme
kys

>>130377793
>implying space is even real

Fucking morons, enjoy wasting your tax dollars literally fucking nothing

>>130378104
They've realised it will never be viable due to the retarded amount of energy required to create a vacuum in such a large area.
Elon Musk is an enthusiastic retard that made money off PayPal and is losing it on all his miracles projects.

any retard that believes in a mars colony with the current technology available should be sent to concentration camps where they will be forced to learn about space and the dangers that it presents to the human body.

>>130377793

Elon Musk is a lying kike welfare queen that makes overpriced cars powered by literal vape batteries. Call me when he does something beyond playing videos of toy rockets launching backwards.

>>130378104

>hyperloop
>using a vacuum pump on the front of the train will result in lower air resistance felt by the train containing the pump
>jewishphysics.jpg

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>>130384038
Big bold claims make for good headlines. A 5% increase in cargo capacity doesn't. The hundreds of little improvements over time are never enough to catch the public's eye, but they add up.

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>>130384889
>muh dangers
>muh technology

how to make a mars colony: cover the valles marineris and create an atmosphere inside. install superconducting magnets in orbit to provide an artificial magnetosphere.
none of that is impossible with current technology.

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>>130378104
>literally the roman god of degeneracy
That was Bacchus, profligate.

>>130385342
>talking shit out of his ace.
what a surprise for a fucking leaf to be a fucking retard.
the main danger for humans is the lower gravity and radiation you fucking spastic.

>>130377793
>mars manufactures its own nukes
>nukes the shit out of earth
>ancapistan is finally achieved

>>130386499
>the main danger for humans is the lower gravity
no
>radiation
just kys.

>>130377793
Probably more educational too

>>130377793
None of this is ever going to happen. Musk is just like NASA. "Give me money cause what if!"

>>130377793
Pie in the sky.
If they make a CGI thing sure, that's an easy way to solve the Van Allen belt problem.

>>130387343
>no
kys. if you dont know shit about the topic at hand then why the fuck are you talking out of your arse.

You know, i genuinely like this guy. You can argue that his motives are ultimately selfish, for example he only wants humanity to get to Mars because he wants to get to Mars, or that he's afraid of a global catastrophe and wants to save his own skin by getting to Mars, but honestly these things seem perfectly natural to me and I wouldn't fault him for them.

The larger point is, he's a rich guy that isn't sipping martinis on the beach, he's actually trying to help our technological advancement is some way, and that's pretty admirable.

I'm sure I won't ever get to see Mars, but I hope future generations will and you helped, you rich bastard. Nice job

>>130377793
>Elon Musk thinks he can get to Mars cheaper than College
>Elon Musk thinks he can get to Mars faster than it takes to make a cup of coffee
>Elon Musk thinks Tesla powered Fleshlights are the key to untapped kinetic energy
>Elon Musk: in the future, going to Mars will be like walking to the grocery store
>Elon Musk says Mars is only a few months away, maybe decades
>Elon Musk - Tesla will make nipple clamps obsolete
>Elon Musk has faith in Mars: "I feel Mars in my dreams, I feel it in my loins as well."
>Elon Musk: Mars is a "peice of cake"
>Elon Musk thinks Mars is a fucking joke, will go there next week using fart powered Segway
>Elon Musk - Tesla is a meme, Mars is a good time
> Elon Musk says Mars trips will eventually cost a penny and a peice of string
>Elon Musk: Tesla Wizards have perfected the alpha core
>Elon Musk has grand visions for Mars Bar factory on Mars
>Elon Musk - Mars and Tesla "ain't no thang"
>Elon Musk - hyperloop to Mars possible, given time
>Elon Musk says selling Tesla's to martians "next big step"
>Elon Musk has no concept of reality, but won't let that stop him
>Elon Musk: Space X will someday exist in everyone's home
>Elon Musk - Amazon will ship to Mars using drones
>Elon Musk: Covering mars hyperloop in solar tiles next big step
>Elon Musk - Mars is so close I can fucking taste it bitch

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>>130377793
private libertarian hero only survives due to government grants.

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>>130377793
hahahahaha (((rocket fuel))) is so bluepilled

LETS GO BOYS, ANTIGRAV NOW

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>>130388361
kek

>>130385342
>Terra forming a planet with lower gravity than earth.
Why dont you strip mine it so you can make dyson swarm habitats or artificial planets.

>implying even fucking Mars could be colonised without extreme long term gravitational and radiation solutions, let alone actually manage to transport people in deep space for a few months safely and comfortably.

The colonists who didn't wind up killing each other after being in a box for a few months would be walking sacks of low-G tumours, before they shortly expired. Unless Musk has a plan to replicate Earth G's in a stationary, tertiary colonial development, then the South African fuckwit is just planning the most elaborate mass murder ever.

And somehow it's still a better idea on paper than dating Amber Heard.

>>130389122
>>130389132
Mars G is not that problematic, it's around what, 0.3 that of Earth? On a long timescale, for example if you had human babies born on Mars for many years, they would develop weaker bones and would have problems with EARTH'S gravity, but 0.3 G is completely acceptable for humans to live in.

>>130388821
Isn't that the guy who always post shit without source

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>When the transhumanist interplanetary alliance decides to compile an AI to manage the nuisance of correcting colonial orbital mechanics but then an army of autistic slavonoid 400 pound hackers from the Martian reich feed it with petabytes of memes and it crashes the Jewish Jovian polar orbit kibbutz into the gas giant thus killing 6000000000 Jews but then the Happy Junkie Mine,Trade&Transport Megacorp(tm) defends the righteousness of the act because they were advocating Communism and trillions of credits can be gained through shock economy and the Transhumanist alliance doesn't give a shit because the next hip transcendence is transforming into biomechanic photosynthetic hive-minded wi-fi turrets therefore leaving behind petty political problems

The future is so bright that my eyes burn

>>130389372

Bones aren't the problem, extended low G RUINS your tissues, especially muscular and circulatory. Human beings will expire very quickly extensively in that sort of environment. It's not the ISS where you can float around fucking around with experiments. Colonist have to work and expend energy. They're fucked, especially compounded with radiation damage to cells and DNA. There's no technology around or will be for the foreseeable future that can permanently protect from radiation like dozens of miles of atmosphere can.

Colonisation in our solar system is a pipe dream.

Earth is First.

Fuck the MCR

>>130377793
We've been on Mars since the 60s.

>>130389710
No, that is not correct. Extended low G weakens your tissues, and at a certian point returing to Earth G, which is 1.0 G, would be very difficult, but 0.3 G is high enough to remain functioning, you seriously don't think this was one of the very first things scientists considered about Martian colonisation? Gravity is kind of a big deal. "Martians" would eventually end up as very tall, weak-boned, weak muscled people, RELATIVE to Earth people.

What radiation are you talking about, specifically?

>>130389710
it also fucks the astronauts big time, causing permanent damage to their bones. here is a nice website that gathers information from the NASA and ESA while making it easy to understand for the average person.
https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2016/space-astronauts-iss-return-peake-malenchenko-kopra/

>>130390152
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belt

>>130378379
>venus is the better option for terraforming and habitation by a long shot for a lot of reasons, but mars is easier to generate interest in for scientific missions.

Citation needed. Enjoy your atmosphere capable of boiling lead.

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>>130377793
He needs to build a space elevator and find the means for FTL travel. I don't want to believe the future where by 22nd century humanty will only have asteroid mining and 100k people on Mars in space.

>>130390362
there is no future for humanity lad.

>>130389710
We just made the first quantum entangled communication over 2000km with the help of a cubesat (shoebox sized) around 150km in orbit.

I think we can manage radiation. And even if it is just tons of 3D printed martian soil as a cover for the colony.

>>130390263
Yes, that is a problem. You have to understand though, the problems of this radiation are things like long-term cancer risk. Immediate issues are reduced to nausea and fatigue, and this is under the assumption that no further precautions are taken.

Scientists are cool dudes, they will tell you EVERY SINGLE LITTLE POSSIBLE MINISCULE problem, and they will make fucking sure you know it, because that is ethically just.
The practical problem is much less severe.
It's a potentially dangerous inconvenience. We'll find a way to get around it.

>he fell for the mars meme

Mar's core is dead, so there will NEVER be a situation where you're living in anything other than the research stations in antartica, and if that's your ambition then good for you, but if you think there'll be some sort of taming of the wilderness like in the early pioneer days of the americas, then you're shit out of luck, because Mars' core is dead
Mars' core is dead
Mars' core is dead
Mars' core is dead

just have to repeat that Mars' core is dead, because some people are light on facts and heavy on imagination.

P.S. Mars' core is dead

>>130377893
>muh cloud colonies
Not feasible in the slightest. How will you even set up these cities ?

>>130390838
why does a planet need a core? Couldn't we build huge networks of nuclear plants powering city-domes connected by meme-loops and so on?

who needs a fucking core?

>>130390838
Know how electroshocks can restart a heart?
We just nuke the core till it fires up again. And then use that example to proove that nukes are good to all the pacifist normies.
Then we nuke mecca because nukes are good for you.
>Perfect plan.

>>130390646
the colonist would be fucked beyond repair before they even got to mars.
https://www.space.com/24701-how-long-does-it-take-to-get-to-mars.html
on average the travel time that it takes to get to mars with probes is 162 days.
https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2016/space-astronauts-iss-return-peake-malenchenko-kopra/
not only they would be fucked in multiple aspects like bone density. eye sight. weak inmune system when they arrive due to zero gravity, they would be destroyed and probably cancerous/have some form of brain damage after all of the radation they would take from cosmic rays.

>>130390959
Hollow earthers certainly dont.

>>130391034
why couldn't they just build rotating meme-cylinders made of lead where people sleep all day?

you could have simulated gravity to avoid melty-eyes and protection from radiation to prevent melty-DNA

>>130391275
maybe because lead is fucking heavy as fuck.

>>130390959
A molten core gives the planet a magnetic field.
A magnetic field diverts the solar winds away from the planet.
If the winds are not diverted, the planet receives lots of harmful radiation, and this radiation also strips away the atmosphere.

Mars would have once had flowing water and an atmosphere, but since it's core solidified, it's now uninhabitable.

>>130391312
But it would be in zero G...

>>130390959
why dont they build nuclear powered domes in Antarctica?

>>130391004
we cant even reach our own core

>>130391374
oh shit dats rite.

>>130391312
so? Just add like 30 more first-stage rockets to get you the right momentum. It would cost more, but at least it would fucking work.

And besides, surely there is some meme-material that protects from radiation and is light. Just use that. Or pay materials scientists like 100 trillion bucks a year until they make it. And then use that.

>>130391034
>aljazeera

I see.

You're right. Carry on. I just...I can't find one single thread, not one-nevermind.

Carry on.

>>130391454
Or make a spaceship in space so weight isn't an issue and then fly a rocket into it from earth and continue to Mars

>>130391350
Cant we just create an artificial atmosphere?

>>130391379
>we cant even reach our own core
We dont need to. Also Mars is smaller.
If all else fails, we just nuke our way to the core.

>>130391481
like i already explained. they take information from the NASA and the ESA and compile it so the average viewer can understand it. if you want it i can link you to their big reports where they report this stuff.

>>130391312
To add to this, the denser the material, the more it absorbs radiation. So there's no way around radiation that doesn't require huge amounts of mass.

Although I'd have assumed you could use large magnetic fields to keep the astronauts safe

>>130377793
Paying to be a colonist?
Same will apply as has always applied with colonies. You need a fleet of stowaways.

>>130389710
That's where genetic editing and nano-machines make their entry, we are just at the birht of an era in mastering our physiology.

>>130391575
I got it!

Let's first build a teleportation device. Then just fly a teleporter to Mars, and teleport people over.

>>130391481
https://www.nasa.gov/hrp/bodyinspace
here is a new article that i just found. i dont think this time you will bitch about the source right?
as you can see right now their biggest problem are radiation and gravity fields.

>>130377793
srsly tho. we can let this guy be the only person signing his own ticket to mars.

like, even if the president or the worlds richest men wanted to go to mars (which they woulden't) they will have to go thru musk pretty soon.

>>130391520
It would have to be physically contained, most likely within a dome
Humans require 100kPa of pressure from the atmospheres to keep them from death. You can't survive in a vacuum.

With this large pressure, the gas will want to disperse and spread out evenly around the planet. So you either have to generate a planet worth of atmosphere, or keep small pockets of atmosphere contained.

You still have a problem with the lack of a magnetic field

>>130384786
SpaceX isn't losing money and has quickly cornered the market. If they can avoid explosions they can do 10s of launches a year at a better price than any in the competition.

>>130391575
Amazing how little people in this thread know.
They're already thinking of filling the spaceship walls with water and/or waste to shield against radiation. Look it up. Organic material is a good radiation shield.

>>130377793
Itll cost about 500 to 800 billion to build a colony on mars, sooo..... less than the kike wars in iraq and afghanistan.

I mean people are perfectly fine with million dollar airstrikes on 10 guys with $300 rifles every day for 15 years but suggest we use it to go to mar?

>THATS STUPID
>THATS SO EXPENSIVE
>THERES NO POINT!
>BULLSHIT! HOOOAAAAXXX!!!

I'll give elon a chance to prove its possible or not before I talk shit on it.

>>130391883
Why the need for a magnetic field? Couldn't you just build radiation protection into the dome? A giant lead dome maybe?

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>>130391820

>>130389122
The initial cost is much less. Artificial habitats are coming, but for now firm ground is still needed.

>>130391481
https://www.space.com/33571-apollo-astronauts-heart-risk-deep-space-travel.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effect_of_spaceflight_on_the_human_body
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK222157/
every single source will tell you the same. just because you dont like some website and do not trust their credibility doesnt change the fact that they can have a good article with good sources. (NASA and ESA)

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>>130377893
Venus is too hot

>>130377793
I do want personal drop-pods to accurately throw you anywhere in the world.
Get on that Elon.
Another impossible task to keep perpetually running.

Fucking retard musk, bet he thinks it's possible to go to the moon too. Loser kike bastard keeping up the "space" lie for all the idiot teenagers

>>130389132
Sailors did the small object vast nothingness thing just fine 500 years ago.

>>130392151
>Musk
>Jewish

gonna need some proof there, stormnigger

>going to Mars cheaper than college
More like American college will become more expensive than flying to Mars

>>130377793

post yfw governments mandate diversity quotas on mars

>>130392226
well of course they would now. Unless something changes by then, they will then.

I doubt anythign will change though :^)

>>130377893
he will still be making these headlines even when his hair is gray and his age is in the triple digits

>>130392130
there is this theory that states that you could build a floating colony at a certain level in the atmosphere of venus. since its not that hot in that level while having a near identical gravity field to ours.

>>130391906
I never said it wasn't possible, just adding some information about the relation between mass, density and radiation absorption.

>organic matter is good at absorbing radiation
Not really. It's no better than any other material with the same density. But using essential parts of the spaceship is more viable than having large lead shielding

>>130392310
well let's fucking do it then. I've always wanted to live in a floating meme-city surrounded by hot swirling gases.

>>130392189
Keeping up the lies from the Kabbalah that the universe is 14 billion years old, that a Big Bang sprung everything into existence, that the earth is a rotating spinning sphere, that there is a vacuum called "space" that we can somehow penetrate and that aliens can travel through. If you're so fucking retarded that you cannot recognize the deceptions of the Talmud and kabbalah in everything musk spouts, nobody can help you

>>130392310
How would it float?
To enjoy the benefits of gravity, you cannot be on orbit

At the international space station, gravity is almost as strong as it is on Earth. But because the ISS is in orbit, it's centripetal accelerations counters gravity making them weightless

>>130391994
I think industrializing the moon is a critical step too. It costs less to blastoff from the moon and deliver a payload to earth than it does to just move one into a rudimentary earth orbit from earths surface.

The craters on the moon are deeper than mount everest and bigger than some nations. Put a colony in the bottom of one for radiation shelter. Plus lets keep in mind those craters were put there by the same asteroids packed full of useful shit weve been talking about mining. So pick one with a high content of useful and valuable minerals.

Once we gets lots of people there we could be using the moon as a sort of port build shit and send it farther out, since you can build way bigger shit on the surface and still realistically launch it. Or better yet, kine the matierials on the moon and build shit in orbit arpund the moon. Stuff like say, habitats for 1,000 people at a time.

Market would be assorted countries, corporate, and acedemic institutional groups who want permanant habitats to support personel for scientific and explorational missions into the outer solar system, or corporate asteroid prospecting.

As techniques are refined, lines of profit secured, and manufacturing methods improved we could be talking about building way bigger shit like orbital cities.

Everyone is obsessed with other stars and other planets but the reality is we havent even tapped a fraction of 1% of the shit we could do in orbit between here and the moon.

Theoretically speaking its within the realm of physical possibility to mass produce orbital habitats that can house and feed 100 times the population we currently have just using the shit we could get from the moon.

So by that point in the thought experiment weve already moved billions and billions of people onto the moon and into assorted orbital habitats and we havent even touched mars.

Then shit like "lets send a few hundred thousand to alpha centauri" starts to become a real possibility.

>>130392477
well I am fucking retarded, but I hadn't before been made aware of all these lies.

How old is the Universe? What is the nature of Earth? Does space not exist?

>>130392500
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_of_Venus
Landis has proposed aerostat habitats followed by floating cities, based on the concept that breathable air (21:79 oxygen/nitrogen mixture) is a lifting gas in the dense carbon dioxide atmosphere, with over 60% of the lifting power that helium has on Earth.[6] In effect, a balloon full of human-breathable air would sustain itself and extra weight (such as a colony) in midair. At an altitude of 50 kilometres (31 mi) above Venerian surface, the environment is the most Earth-like in the Solar System – a pressure of approximately 1000 hPa and temperatures in the 0 to 50 °C (273 to 323 K; 32 to 122 °F) range. Protection against cosmic radiation would be provided by the atmosphere above, with shielding mass equivalent to Earth's.[7]

At the top of the clouds the wind speed on Venus reaches up to 95 m/s (340 km/h; 210 mph), circling the planet approximately every four Earth days in a phenomenon known as "super-rotation".[8] Colonies floating in this region could therefore have a much shorter day length by remaining untethered to the ground and moving with the atmosphere, compared to the usual 243 Earth days it takes for the planet to rotate. Allowing a colony to move freely would also reduce structural stress from the wind.

>>130388361

>being this small-minded

i thought you americans were dreamers?

>>130392686
we are talking about a retard that is trying to fund scientist to find a way out of this simulation.

>>130377793
I admire his passion for what he does, you can see Musk's really ambitious and sets up goals that could really help humanity and such.

However, none of his ideas have any real future, they aren't sustainable, for all it's worth - the name "private" should be ditched when talking about his ventures , like Tesla, solar panels etc. that wouldn't survive a month without government subsidies and the climate warming hoax accelerating various ""treaties"" and ""conventions""

Maybe only SpaceX, the only thing to give credit, NASA took a leap, and in the end, combining both the ambitious idea of Musk and the tech, know-how of NASA, they might have risen to the top in space missions, I'd see it as a NASA sub-project, because sure as hell Europe's Ariane 5 cannot compete; and USA's Delta and Atlas have much bigger operational costs than Falcon, and most of all, one of them contains Russian tech, if I am not mistaken. The only contender abroad is Russia as I see it

>>130392686
Americans are all fat walmart scooter sharts who only care about eating the next hamburger and getting laid and taking the hottest new research chemical liike hey bro I got some MXE let's go take some and watch Cstle in the Sky dawg shit's gonna be so tight yeaaah and then hamburgers swag

>>130392631
Makes me think, there could already be a case for a Moon colony and that's in the removal of space debris.in Leo.

not gonna happen without spess elevator
spess elevator not gonna happen without carbon microfilaments on large scale
carbon microfilaments manufactured on large scale not gonna happen because JEWS

>>130392631
This so much, the idea of simply jumping to extremes i.e. flying to Mars, straight off the bat, is crazy

why not just start with the basics?

>>130393256
tell me about the jews. Why do they hate carbon microfilaments?

>>130393324
it is really simple my dear burger
who's gonna take high percentaged loans from kikes if humanity is flying somewhere in deep orbit?
jews cannot into spess, so they hate proper science, like carbon microfilaments

>>130391520
Ohhhhh, JESUS FUCKING CHRIST AMERICA

>>130377793
>13,000 ton rocket

>>130393498
it's just a question, Italy.

And I still think we'll be able to create an artificial atmosphere. We could create anything we wanted. Cynical spaghetti-niggers need not apply.

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> 2017
> Not realising Musk is a Boer Nazi Propoganda tool

>>130378210
>a good entrepreneur
what a strange way to write
>a fucking welfare queen

Hm

>>130392500
>To enjoy the benefits of gravity, you cannot be on orbit.
Do you even fucking know what orbit is, or how it works, you incredible spastic.

>>130393324
The Jews don't completely control us goyim on earth yet. If we go out into space, someone will eventually the space Nazis, that is if they don't exist ;)

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>>130393498
this helps noone
if the mars core is solid now there is no magnetic field
couldn't we just drill bigass hole and melt mars core with some EXPLOSIONS?

>>130393612
explain

>>130393698
are you proving your intellect on an imageboard by insulting someone you percieve as having lower intellect?

that pikey reasoning.

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>>130377793
>Elon Musk thinks he can make getting to Mars cheaper than going to college

THIS. TIMELINE.

>>130393957
Boers are being wiped out in South Africa. Coloured people love futuristic shit.
Ergo Musk is making up shite to try to make sure the coloureds and blacks don't kill all the Boers.

>>130393093
Honestly we dont need to, since were talking about orbiting shit at varying distances from between earth and the moon to actually orbiting both the moon and the earth in giant elipses. The "LEO debris field" isnt actually that big of a threat.

Especially once you start building really big. Its just a problem right now because were essentially putting the spacecraft equivalent of cloth wrapped wooden biplanes into orbit. If we start building truly big shit the idea of explosive decompression due to flecks of paint and shit will become just as antiquated as the idea that the top speed of an aircraft is determined by the cloth and balsawood wings ripping off.
>>130393298
I agree, though why not run more than one plan at one time. If the nature of europe colonizing the new world was done one area at a time by only one group we would only just be discovering shit like the aztecs today.

If you got the tech and lift cpability to start housing people on the moon for actual industrial jobs you basically got the same shit you need to do mars too.

The cool part about the moon is that you got realtime communication, and could send emergency assistance in a few days instead of months though, so mars is a lot riskier and must be as close to 100% self reliant as possible.

The real reason we gotta go for mars is because the developing space race pt 2 needs an exciting finishline. In any case any outcome that results in humanity becoming a true multi-planetary species is long overdue. We should have had it by now but we pumped all of our resources over fighting over dumb shit here instead of truly expanding outwards.

The cost of just 1 fighter plane development project could have put a small outpost on the moon, and the USA does 2 or 3 every 5 years since the 50's.

>>130389710

>It's not the ISS where you can float around fucking around with experiments. Colonist have to work and expend energy.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/exercise-in-space2.htm

>>130394219
but if there were actual Boer nazis with the power to popularize a figure like Elon Musk (a billionaire), why wouldn't they just take power and not get wiped out in the first place?

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>>130388361

>>130387343
>radition
>kys
You're retarded

>>130377793
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU7FuAswPW0

>>130394325
yeah i just love nazi conspiracies

i fucked a white south african prostitute a while ago, she told me how violent africa was. some weird shit happened after than which made me think there is some nazi shit going on.

>>130377893

Islam doesn't believe in space. Stop lying Mohammad.

>>130394325
however also remember that the nazis enjoy seeing their minions being fucked over and breeding new ones. dead nazis don't bother nazis. just means they can make more. what nazis love most is the do terrible scientific experiments on human beings for the progress of their race.

My grandpa was an engineer on the apollo program. When you watch apollo 13 and see the part where all the nerds are trying to calculate orbits with that giant mockup of the moon and analog computers in the lander simulator that whole contraption was his teams project.

He always said NASA stands for
Needs
Another
Seven
Astronaughts

Hes pretty happy to see the new space race departing from government into the private sector. The stories of the incredible stupidity he saw. Just one for example:
>first day on the job 1965
>WOOOOW, i work for fucking NASA!
>walks into a room, sees allll the engineering field superstars standing around a bigass experimental telescope mirror taking pictures and scribbling notes on clipboards furiously
> (great great granddaddy to hubble projectreally)
>well.... i wanna fit in
>goes over
>theres a catwalk over the whole thing that visitors get walked around on during tours
>NASAs top engineers are using the giant mirror to take upskirt creepshots of the female visitors on the facility tours
>clipboards are just for show

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>>130395156
I sincerely hope this is a real story

>>130395355
My grandpa told it a number of times, it never changed and hes known as a very trustworthy sort.

He still has his old security badge as a souvenir, and a box full of punchcard computer programming his team wrote. It weighs 50 pounds and if fed one after another through a machine thats running calculations its capable of about 1/100th the processing power a $2 practically disposable calculator today can do.

>>130395128
well I'd say they're doing a pretty fucking bad job if they're trying to let their race thrive.

>>130395783
"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
-hitchen's razor

If some guy is gonna run around shouting about shadow nazis you dont argue with him. You ignore him.

This guy's businesses must really be tanking. He needs subsidies to survive so he's going all out in the fraud dept to keep the government benefits rolling in.

>>130377793
who the hell wants to go to mars, or to space in general?

>be born in mars.
>be weak as fuck
>always inside a fucking washing machine
>small, uncomfortable,
>eating veggies like, every day
>like every fucking day
>have a ridiculous accident
>die

This is a work for robots, or chinese.

>>130396160
Everybody seems fine with the F-35 $400 billion dollar price tag (and it STILL doesnt do everything it is supposed to).

Whats funny about guys like you is that you completeley overlook the trillion or so per year literally every corporation gets in govt subsidies in every field from aerospace to petroleum for no reason except profit protection.

Elon said hed build a cheaper reusable rocket to put stuff on the space station, and that now exists. New highly valuable tech was created out of it. Thats more than most of the other subsidy recipients can claim.

>>130395783
you see thriving as having numbers, they see it as having control over the behaviour of domestic and foreign populations.

>>130388361
Kek

>>130384038
Elon Musk believes in climate change but also believes reality is a computer stimulation.

He literally just takes ideas from science fiction movies and then scams people into believing he could do it like make Matrix happen in real life.

>>130385342
>install superconducting magnets in orbit to provide an artificial magnetosphere.

Their is no way that is a possibility.

so it's confirmed? Is Earth getting a mars expansion pack this time?

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>>130397467
Yer a fuckin idiot. Those are long exposure shots of escape trajectories. Rockets dont go straight up into space to establish an orbit.

Those exposures show trajectories that are hundreds of miles long from a forced perspective. Or do you earnestly believe that things gets literally smaller as theyre fartger away?

>>130377893
>Also, Mars is a meme, Venus is where the fun is at.

fpbp, nice to see another venus pilled individual on this board

>>130390272
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_of_Venus

While the surface of Venus is the hellscape people commonly perceive it as, the upper levels of the atmosphere are suitable for the creation of floating baloon cities that would be kept afloat but the gas displaced by the air inside them. The outside temperature would be a comfy room-temperature.

Quotes from the article:

>"Landis has proposed aerostat habitats followed by floating cities, based on the concept that breathable air (21:79 oxygen/nitrogen mixture) is a lifting gas in the dense carbon dioxide atmosphere, with over 60% of the lifting power that helium has on Earth.[6] In effect, a balloon full of human-breathable air would sustain itself and extra weight (such as a colony) in midair. At an altitude of 50 kilometres (31 mi) above Venerian surface, the environment is the most Earth-like in the Solar System – a pressure of approximately 1000 hPa and temperatures in the 0 to 50 °C (273 to 323 K; 32 to 122 °F) range. Protection against cosmic radiation would be provided by the atmosphere above, with shielding mass equivalent to Earth's.[7]"

>"Because there is not a significant pressure difference between the inside and the outside of the breathable-air balloon, any rips or tears would cause gases to diffuse at normal atmospheric mixing rates rather than an explosive decompression, giving time to repair any such damages.[6] In addition, humans would not require pressurized suits when outside, merely air to breathe, protection from the acidic rain and on some occasions low level protection against heat."

Mars sucks balls. Let's create a therm paradise on Venus instead of freezing our asses off on Mars.

>>130385208
That voidcat looks like australia!

>>130400175
Yall are thinkin waaaaay too small scale. We oughtta colonize everything. The British empire didnt grow because guys sat around debating whether they ought to extract sugar from south america, or pelts and timber from north america, or spices from the east.

No. They sent fleets to all of those places to do all that stuff. And so did literally anyone else who could build working navies. If you adjust cost to modern times the massive migrations of people that occurred from europe to the rest of the planet was about the same. It required massive investment of capital, technological development and sacrifice of personel.

Hell, until they figured out how to prevent scurvy (modern chemistry isolating scorbutic acid, or vitamin C) there were places on the planet so remote and difficult to reach just surviving the trip was a massive feat.

We need that kinda balls to the wall philosophy for our own solar system. The trick to making space travel work is going big, the bigger you go the more profitable and cost efficient it is.

Mars, the moon, venus, triton, asteroid belt, orbital habitats. We need to do all of it on as big a scale we can.

>>130384786
>He doesn't know about the newest Kraut energy
>Implying energy will not be infinite in less than 10 years

>>130401228
There are estimated to be hundreds of pluto-sized dwarf planets in the Kuiper belt and beyond. Those will be the final frontier before interstellar travel needs to be developed.

>>130377793

Probably could make Tesla profitable if he figured out how to milk his anal glands and create Muskuk perfume for his brown nose flock to wear

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this is making me think

>written right after trump won

>>130401296
If we can get fusion to work basically we can increase the scale of our engineering by a factor of 10. We got the matierials its just that with current energy production its prohibitivley expensive to build shit on larger scales.

With fusion energy you can start doing stuff thats currently energy prohibitive like manufacturing hydrocarbon compounds from the atmosphere or mass fabriating bigass hydrox rockets and fuel em with electrolysis ocean water into hydrogen and oxygen.

We got the matierials, we got the engineering skills, we got the tech, we just need the energy to power it.

>>130401991
All we need now is for humanity to embrace progress over profit

than we can use our full potential to make things happen

>>130380614
He obviously ment this.

>>130402231
Profit is just a simplification factor and measure of how well something is doing - it generally simplifies everything down to "Is it cost effective and does it return more than we put in?"

"progress" is ephemeral, subjective. It's not cold hard cash, and you can't perform a statistical progress-benefit analysis like you can with cash - a number.

Hell, for half americans, Progress means killing off white people

>>130402231
Naw, will never happen. Were biologically wired to seek higher returns than effort expended. We need to motivate progress with profit.

Create new lucrative industries and technologies geared towards progress. The current reason space isnt colonized is because on the tiny and slow scale of government its not profitable.

If you can show the right people a realistic path to money in space it will happen so fast you wouldnt believe it. Again, we need scale.

It will cost approx 19 billion to put a 20 person outpost on the moon. It would cost 200 to 400 billion to put a permanant city of 10,000 there with current tech. Economy of scale needs to be used. It sounds like a lot until ypu consider the USA aloe spends twice that per decade discovering new ways to blow up muslims.

Fuck blowing em up. Leave. Them. Behind. Let all that stupid tribal bullshit become the embarassing footnote to himan history that it needs to be. While theyre dancing around a rock in mecca and killing eachother over a few kilometers of useless desert the civilized nations should be laughing at them from our new cities on the moon and mars. When theyre finally going extinct we ought to be busy forgetting about them in orbit around another star.

Theres literally no reason we need to stay here spending the equivalent of a mars colony every 10 years on fighting for resources the solarsystem has a functionally unlimited amount of.

>>130377793
At the rate his swindle is going, Musk might actually become a historical figure. If he manages to coax the government into getting in too deep he might ride this con to 2030s and onwards.

>>130377893
Its free because you dont pay taxes with that education i dont see you ever being worth the investment for tax payers.
Venus has no sunlight, winds that would blow your manlet ass away and is even hotter than mercury.
You would fare better on saturn where you couldnt even keep concsiousness.

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>>130404855
How many things does he has to say he'll accomplish and then do so before he becomes a legit figure? Youre the same person who 5 years ago was saying his space-x project would never go anywhere.

Its currently delivering shit to ISS and more or less did everything it said it would and made history in the process.

Or is pic related a hoax?

>>130377793
>implying anyone wants to go to Mars.

>>130405333
I do

>>130405134
His project is going nowhere, there's nothing special about launching a rocket into orbit. All his projects are heavily subsidized and not feasible on the global market. No one who is not a conman would have mentioned going to barren red rock as some kind of lofty goal. It appeals to emotion and not reason. I see you're already roleplaying as a crusader so no wonder Musk holds sway over you.

>>130405377
Be cheaper to go to death valley, Arizona or New Mexico. same dead landscape.

>>130405469
>boeing promises to beat or 1 up elon musk in mars type stuff
>lockheed martin proposes development of solar-electrostatic propulsion engines to make proposed mars trips faster and cheaper
>shareblue building a bigass rocket to match elon musks bigass rocket
>ESA has a lunar base mission in the works
>NASA too (might be jumping on board with ESA)
>both might be asking for assistance from blue orgin and space-x for propulsion
>probably involve hundreds of billions of dollars from multiple companies and the hundreds of lesser known private space companies popping up


Its not a scam when half the fucking planet and some of the biggest aerospace giants in the world are pledging support. Its a fucking new space race.

Im not even mentioning 1/4th of the corporate and national interests involved in the upcoming free for all towards mars. Russia, china, even india are starting to scramble to get on board or form something competitive.

Deny it all you want, its happening.

>>130405679
Been there already. Atleast mars will have less mexicans.

Faggot could have had a seat on the NSC. But decided to virtue signal instead.

>>130406261
>space race

for what? Original space race was pointless from the economic / exploratory side. There is nothing a team of humans would gather that rover did not already.

>>130406614
And were still using all of the tech that spun off of it. I agree that healthy amounts of skepticism need to be leveled at extraordinary claims but bigger payloads, cheaper launches, and pioneering missions are never a bad thing.

Somebody has to be the first to do something. Shit doesnt get done by just sitting around waiting for it to happen. And, as I have mentioned multiple times in this thread, we already waste way more money than any of this costs on newer more expensive bombs to drop on dumbass ragheads.

If I were to see my tax money go towards space exploration or a 6th generation fighter jet when nobody has anything capable of defeating the 5th generation one I would choose space exploration any day.

>>130407195
>spun off of it

Now imagine how much development time was wasted on inane shit that could have made this actually useful tech a main priority.

And those arguments you make, none of them appeal to reason. First to do something for what? Being the first?

>>130407365
Technological progress doesnt just happen. Aircraft didnt just spontaneously pop up outta nowhere. Somebody had to build one first. Then there were tons of people saying "so what, you flew for 15 seconds, big deal"

Even more were calling it a hoax, aircraft had to be flown in front of huge crowds for almost a decade before assorted journalists and nay sayers would grudgingly admit heavier than air man made objects could actually achieve powered flight.

If we just sit around waiting for space colonization to happen it wont, any more than nobody working on aircraft while they just waited for it to happen would have produced a working aircraft.

First you need to prove you can do it, then you need to develop the techniques, methods, and infrastructure to support an industry. Just like how early aircraft were rickety unreliable and useless for much of anything aside from short flights of a few minutes. You dont just suddenly have the tech to build a colony on another planet, first you send a few people. Test your methods, prove feasability, generate publicity and support, recruit participants, raise capital etc etc.

Doing something to further a field is always more profitable than just sitting around saying you could but you wont.

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>>130406261
>shariablue
Wtf? Half the people willing to go want to get away from them. Why the fuck would they kill their venture for an investment from those losers?
>inb4 rich
Literally lost the election with the largest funding any presidential campaign ever had.
Its like tying yourself to a corpse just the corpse turns out to be the bloated remains of the biggest (again literally) loser under the sun.

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>>130377793
ok nigger
wtf is there to do on muh mememars
any internet?
green waifus?

>>130408802
i want a handjob now

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>>130408802
Meant to write blue orgin but tarded out.

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>>130401296
>Implying energy will not be infinite in less than 10 years
not so fast, nikola

>>130378210
+20% sales tax, don't forget

but hey, in exchange you have a piece of paper written with nice bold font in cursive.

>>130408373
You don't build a colony on another planet if you know anything about economy and science.

>>130386499
>radiation
that's what the magnetosphere is for you dumbass

>>130388333
>he's a rich guy that isn't sipping martinis on the beach
not just that
he could be aiming to get as much assets as possible like most rich active cunts do
but no he's really trying to save mankind

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>>130377793
TFW 200k$ no have

maybe I can get an indentured servitude job on arrival, just like the college grads on earth do.

>>130409010
Oh pitty for a moment i hoped shariablue would blow up trying their hand at rocket science just like they did with memetics.

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>>130377793
Why the fuck would I want to go to fucking Mars of all places?

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>>130388821
>anon5

>>130377793
Well, first he needs to deliver on the solar shingles, and not that expensive shit he put out,

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>>130377893
>Venus
*crushes under pressure*

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>>130391800
transhufaggot pls go

>>130396559
who the fuck wanted to go to the Americas? And yet there you are.

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>>130389558
naaah

>>130377793
Running away to other worlds may be our only way to completely segregate from the browns, jews and blacks

>>130410855
First he needs to see if his company can actually run in the free market. Tesla is the posterboy for corporate handouts that noone is talking about.

>>130410727
Cause yer Dad got tired of Uranus...

>>130409649
says the fucking Serb. With that attitude it's no wonder you're still glorifying Attilla.

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>>130390037
this
sheeple are tiring
the net has been democratized for 20 years and the morons still wont stray into the fringe
>ooh aaah monsters out there
>there be dragons
>ooh aah schizos paranos
>insane abnormal irrational
>tell me what the world is like, black science man
>oh i'm so redpilled about the jews, but dont talk to me about vaccines
>much less exotic tech, deep state secrets and all
>that's crazy talk
fucking morons i swear
cattle

>>130377793
This man is a fraud. An utter fraud. Without heavy subsidization, his whole business would crash.

>>130411637
How's that wifi (invented by Serb) working for you?

We never went to the moon. Its a holocaust esc "Goyim believing in the big lie" trick. They went into the upper atmosphere orbiting the earth, did some tricky camera shots to make it look like they were in deep space travelling to the moon on a single tank of gas, then splashed down after a few days. Radiation in the belts vaporises all life once you actually leave the earths atmosphere. Not possible with todays technology, nevermind 1960s. Just a way to funnel money from the Goyim, as is this.

>>130412109
WE

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>>130412297
WUZ

>>130377793
>Mars cheaper than going to college
WHEN BERNIE GETS ELECTED, GOING TO COLLEGE WILL BECOME CHEAPER THAN MARS SPACE TRAVEL AGAIN, MARK MY WORDS.

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>>130391957
you mean like our firmament?

>>130391525
>muh nukes into everything
humans...

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>>130412295
>We never went to the moon.

hundreds of thousands of people would have known the truth and kept quite.

Pathetic troll is pathetic.

Well, he then better consult with the negros.
They wuz spaze kingz after all.

But seriously, the cheapest way to get into space would be just using all the hot air he produces. Too bad once he reaches a certain height the same air that brought him here will eventually rip him apart.
And yes, there is an analogy hidden somewhere.

im fairly positive he is a cia stooge used to make America look like it's still at the technological forefront

>>130415136
>burger flag
u wot m8, if anything its embarrasing for the entire human race that we still arent on mars. but good job thinking this is just a spook, really tells a lot

>>130377893
Given how surface exploitation of resources on venus is infeasible, Venus would not be a convenient site for colonization, as all structural materials need be transported. Cloud colonies may be good for producing oxygen, or perhaps using solar energy to split CO2 into CO and O2 to use as a fuel

>>130385004

You're retarded.

>>130415279
what does that have to do with what I said? What does it tell that I think he is a spook "m8"?

>>130391883
The Armstrong limit is only ~7 kPa, and you could breathe O2 at 21 kPa and wear a vest to keep your thorax from bursting. Alternatively, you could live in a ~21 kPa 100% O2 atmosphere.

>>130396559
>have a ridiculous accident
That made me kek

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>>130391912
point is the (((political will)) isnt out there
it's aimed at microchipping the slave population and keeping it hooked on VR
that's the kosher frontier now goys, not space, not flying cars: your anus probed 24/7

>>130401933
I'm down for /spacepol/

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>>130377893
>free
Do we really have to walk you through this again?

>>130411726
Why don't you enlighten us with your knowledge instead of being "le edgy mysterious estorist who only speaks in riddles"? That's why people don't take you seriously btw, the extra layer of mystical bullshit