Communism vs. Fascism Which one and why?

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>>130335674
Both are shit. Classical liberalism is the only way to go.

Am I in hell?

>>130335674
Communism, because Fascism is racist as shit.

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>>130336484
Jeez man, know your ideologies, even I know that fascism ain't racist, Mussolini didn't show prejudice based on race, heck, Mussolini didn't even believe in race.

>>130335674
If I had to choose

Fascism because it's not in denial of what it is while communism claims to be stateless utopia of the workers but is instead a prison for a countries own people in practice

>>130335674
Communism. Its the fairer ideology. It treats men as equals. Although both shit and dangerous

>>130337516
There is nothing equal about human beings, individually or collectively speaking. Why pursue an ideology that contradicts biological realities?

>>130335674
>individual freedom vs total obedience to the state

hmmmm real difficult question

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>>130337706
>individual freedom
>communism
That's a good one

>>130337516
>Although both shit and dangerous
If you think Communism is shit and dangerous why do you have a commie flag?

Both are complete shit. Authoritarianism is fucker cancer.

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>>130336846

Mussolini is a bad example of fascism.

>>130335674
Transhumanism is better

>>130337814
The founder of fascism is a bad example of a fascist?

>>130337697
Well yeah I guess. Speaking from the point of view of what they promise communism is the fairer system. Fascism only promises good for a select race or nationality

>>130337806
>If you think Communism is shit and dangerous why do you have a commie flag?

for the (you)s of course

>>130337516
>treats as equals
Communism is the dictatorship of proletariat.

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>>130337814
Mussolini is THE fascist, the original creator of fascism, he is the prime example of it (although he was strategically retarded, like Hitler).

>>130337806
communism is literally the apex example of individual freedom. by definition there is no hierarchy

>that flag
oh I'm sorry, I forgot that you probably define communism as "the government exists" while you're busy jacking off to the idea that it killed 10^1001 people. FOAD

>>130338026
Yes I know. The point is to eliminate class, each according to his ability, to each according to his need etc.

>>130337937
Well yeah, of course fascism would hold the interests of a nations own people above that of foreign elements. That's commen sense, just like in your own home you hold yourself in higher value than someone who doesn't pay the bills.

Fairer is a spook. Equality and egalitarianism are spooks. You can equate opportunity all you want but the results amongst different peoples will never be the same.

>>130338032
The shitty military the king had put together was a big part of their military failures as well. Officers were chosen based on royal ties rather than competence. Mussolini's biggest mistake was nothing removing the king.

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>>130338081
You're conflating hierarchy and freedom. If 51% of the population democratically votes to force you to do whatever they say, how can you call that freedom just because you are all equal?

Fascism because the idea of a society without leadership or hierarchy is absolutely disgusting.

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Why not both?

>>130338081
>communism is literally the apex example of individual freedom. by definition there is no hierarchy

>no hierarchy
>freedom

>>130338081
>individual freedom
Yeah, when the majority imposes 5 year plan it's called freedom in communism.

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>>130338319
Well, that and going to war at the same time Hitler did. He needed about 5 years or so to properly industrialize his nation first, he was far too impatient.

>>130338364
Because no real nationalist would put that symbol on their flag

>>130335674
well, commuism has failed everywhere it's been tried, and fascism has succeeded everywhere it's been tried until the jews bombed the fuck out of it

>>130338275
Fascism is inherently warlike though

>>130335674
>>130335674
I think Fascism because all the Niggas will be gone

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>>130338503
said the commie

Most communists deny racial realism and believe that we can all hold hands and dance under the sun if there were no ebil capitalists, meaning they're as fucking gullible as libshits.

>>130335674
which ever one kills more antifa

>>130338266
>eliminate
In other words, kill them all and steal their shit.

>>130335674
Didn't we already do this in the 1940s? Communism won.

>>130338540
It is though, disregard my flag for a second

>>130338032
>>130337918

The ideological roots of fascism go decades before Mussolini. And by being a shill for international kikes, he's not the best example.

>>130338455
>Communism has failed everywhere it's been tried
maybe it's because tankies always co-op the revolution and immediately start fucking shit up
see:
>Ukrainian Free Territory
>Catalonia
>China

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>>130336203
>t. civic nationalism cuck from reddit
atleast swallow your basic redpills before posting anon

>>130338445
A national bolshevik would.

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>>130338503
What about Peron? Franco? Salazar? These men kept their nations peaceful during most of their reign.

>>130338433
Had they waited that long the soviets and friends would be much more organized and better armed. It was just a shitty situation all together, Italy really should have focused on Africa and fucking the allies over there before trying to conquer European territories. Albania was a good choice though as it was a net positive for both the Italian government and the Albanian people.

>>130338700

Based jews. :)

>>130338503
Depends

Fascism isn't a concrete ideology, it differs greatly amongst whatever country it sprouts up in. The war like tendency you described has more to do with German and Italian territorial claims than the ideology itself.

Fascist movements are more than capable of being isolationist as well, hence the American fascist movements in the 30s and non racial as well like the Brazilian integralists

>>130338625
Both sides lost. Jews took control of both contries.

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>>130338700
I did, the problem is Nazis never swallow the redpill that Hitler was a fucking retard.

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>>130338785
(((libertarianism))) is sooo based xD

>>130338445
Most NatSocs have no problem with communist economics, but they would rather die than call it communism.
Le Pen @ example wants literally the same things as the Commie Melenchon
>Anti EU
>Kill the Kikes
>Support the working class

>>130338532
Shut up you kike kunt go back into your basement and jerk off your dad

>>130338682
>Ukrainian Free Territory
You mean the military rule of black army?
>Catalonia
How long did that last?
>China
...

>>130338711
They weren't fascists and refused to call themselves such. Spain's actual fascist was Primo De Rivera

>>130338710
Well the national Bolshevik should research who lead and financed the Bolsheviks in their revolution and see if he still feels like a nationalist

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>>130335674
>Fascist means right wing

It's funny. The more you purposely make this error, the more the reader will realive they've been lied to by google.

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>>130338824
>tried to save Europe and western civilisation for the international jew and marxism
>retard
pick one

>>130338700
You know, unlike some people —such as yourself— we have arguments that aren't 'hurr fucking niggers gas the kikes race war xDDD'

>>130338908
>what is private property and enterprise
>what is the right to bear arms
>what is class solidarity instead of class war

>>130338908
Yeah the left go on about "the 1%" , the right generally has the same feelings they just call them the jews

>>130335674
> Communism vs. Fascism
> Posts a picture of two socialist ideologies

National Socialism is not Fascism. It's socialism that's national, in contrast to communism, that's international.

That being said: Fascism is better than communism, because at least there is a somewhat functioning price system at work, not immediately destroying everything due to the economic calculation problem.

Fascism

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>>130338081
>there is no hierarchy
There is ALWAYS hierarchy.
Even your faggy little riot groups have leaders and medics and frontline soldiers.

Getting rid of money/property is not going to make people equal, it just gives "leaders" a monopoly of power. This is why EVERY SINGLE communist attempt in history has ended in dictatorship and most of them add in a sprinkle of purges/genocide.

>>130337390
This.

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>>130338824
>the Redpill
>that Hitler was a retard

Hitler was acting in self defense against decades of Jewish corruption in Germany's media.

>>130338941
>How long did [Catalonia] last
exactly my point
the Soviets sent a bunch of ideologues over there and look what happened

>China
there were anarchist communities in China and it was an active political movement. that is, until Mao became popular and started purging them and generally fucking things up

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>>130335674
neither
because fuck you i wont do what ya tell me

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>>130339080
He declared war on the USA even though he had no meaningful way of striking at us and it only furthered our involvement against him.

>>130335674
Whichever one has the best aesthetics

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>>130335674
Neither

Take the AnCap pill

Daily /lrg/ is up now

>>130337068

Both are satanic plots.

>>130339259
What really furthered our involvement was Pearl Harbor.

>>130339080
Hitler is literally Israels father
>Be Hitler
>Being at war with UK
>Attack USSR without any reason
>Getting screwed
>Making Jews more powerful than they ever have been

>>130338682
> Muh superior system of governance
> if not everybody participates in the way I think is the correct way, it collapses killing millions

please kill yourself.

>>130338938
Fuck off you damm city folk... The blacks are the ones that rape our kids and rip our convience stores... They need to be wiped out.

>>130339259
Well to be fair the Jew esse really deserved to be bombed

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>>130339327
>ancuck pill

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>>130339314
Communism

>>130339125
Redpilled Leftists say: "Zionist"
Why not use the Moozelims against the kikes?

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>>130339347
We certainly would have taken out Japan, but Hitler could have left us alone to do that. He didn't need to declare war right after Pearl Harbor, but he did, thus giving us an excuse to take him down first.

>>130339212
^This^

>>130339203
But like that's the point with socialist revolutions, they all go to shit every time. The so-called vanguard is so chaotic that eventually it brings tyranny.

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>>130339482
Sold me

>>130335674
IF you like being a slave communism if you like being empowered and soceriegn with truth raise the swastika banner.

>>130339482
In reality the guy in the top hat financed another guy with a top hat who wears a hammer and sickle pin on his suit while his country men eat dirt

The Capitalist bourgeoise and communist elite have always been intertwined

Communism.

Fascism is bourgeois cancer.

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>>130339740
The biggest enemies to communism are communists.

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>>130338824
This guy is responsible for Hitlers economic miracles. Hitler should have expanded his influence like merkel does with the eu instead of militarily

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Communism was founded by Karl Marx, who is related by blood to the Rothschild bankers

The Bourgeoisie wanted a system of complete control, so that the masses gave them 100% of their wealth and property voluntarily (this is why private property doesn't exist under Communism, it's all owned by the state while they tell stupid goyim it's actually all theirs, and it's also why Marx talked about "seizing the means of production")

So they got this Jew, Marx, to indoctrinate the poor fools into giving all their wealth and property to the "state". Not only that, but he also indoctrinated them with ideas such as national borders being bad to push the same globalist agenda

The problem was who runs the state?
The Jews. Via the Central Banking system usually owned by the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, and all these powerful Jews, and in the USSR, the Soviet government (Kaganovich, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Lenin...). This is why the "Russian" Revolution in 1917 was funded by rich Jewish bankers like Jacob Schiff, the Rothschilds, the Warburgs...

You only have to look at Venezuela, it has a Central Banking System. This is why people never become rich in Communist nations, only poor, and why so many people starved in the USSR. The solution is to end the Central Banking Systems

Anyone who still follows communism, an ideology that never worked, has killed over 100M people, is retarded in terms of social policies (let's destroy national borders and the family unit because of "capitalism"?) and was only ever created by Jews to benefit Jews if you look at it objectively, is retarded. The original communism is Jewish supremacism.The fact that they've convinced so many college students to think it's any good shows how far the ideological subversion has come

Marx advocated genocide, so did Trotsky and Lenin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAYtknd1ncY
>Karl Marx planned genocide for Europe's "Racial Trash

>>130335674
Communism, because racism is disgusting.

>>130335674
Fascism because it's superior to communism in every way. You can have property, free enterprise, inheritance, is nationalistic, encourages individualism, does not nationalize many things, can own guns, the state is actually for the citizen. Also only thing that can combat jewish and communist subversion.

>>130340247
Racism doesnt exist.

>>130340177
Adolf Shekelgruber also was a Jew, whats the matter.

>>130339192
hitler was an impatient retard, he should of never had attacked britain or russia

>>130336266
no, but if you got your ANCAP way you would be

>>130335674
Fascism, I don't like either too much, but I still support a supranationalist, militaristic society.

>>130339259

The USA was sending supplies to the Britcucks and the Soviets before Pearl Harbor. They had already picked a side before officially joining.

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>>130340145
Hitler should have stopped after taking Austria and the Sudetenland. The Soviets likely would have declared war on Poland at some point, but then then Hitler would have been seen as a defender of Europe instead of a warmonger, and he might have even had the UK and USA supplying him or perhaps even fighting directly alongside him as allies. Japan likely would have declared war on the USA only to be beaten back and bombed to oblivion, Italy would have continued to expand but whether they get destroyed, successfully expand but stay neutral, or help Hitler is up in the air.

>>130340605
The allies declared war on Germany laddy, also the soviets were obviously coming right at him, it was only a matter of time before all of Europe was going be flooded over by the red menace.

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>>130340883
>the most productive nation is sending supplies to my enemies
>you know what would really improve my situation? Getting them to send supplies AND troops to invade me.

>>130338824

He was the saviour of our people. Literally /ourguy/, the only one who ever was and the only one who will ever be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KED3nD2T3XI

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>>130340605
He should have focused on improving ties with the USA. Back then the usa didn't even wan't to go to war as it wasn't their problem. If he didn't war with the UK mosley might have won.

>>130336203
For the Aryan people, yes.

>>130336203
Classical liberalism is precisely what allowed this post-modern shithole to come about

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>>130335674
why not both?

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>>130340593

Are you gonna tell me he also had a microdick, one testicle, a poop fetish, that he shat on his niece, was looking for the Spear of Destiny, etc.?

"National Bolshevism" is the most retarded meme I've ever heard. Bolshevism was created by globalist Jews, was inherently internationalist at conception, and the hammer and sickle respectively represent freemasonry signs. You're not gonna subvert nationalism with this shit.

>>130340889
Without the war the soviets would collapse sooner.

>>130341043
The war was lost at that point already desu.
>>130341104
Aye we should all seek to simulate his awesome accomplishments.

>>130338637
Not really thats kinda a fallacy, were for a strong military but that does not mean we use it.

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>>130341315
>The war was lost at that point already desu.
So then what was the point? Speeding up the loss?

>>130338266
You cannot eliminate class though as nature and subsequently humanity is hierarchical. And, as a part of nature, we humans should not try and remove that form of structure, as it is against our natural instincts.

>>130339360
true i think it was the meth that made him retarded in the end but you have to admit as an ideology nothing compares to the cultural and economic gains through national socialism not even close from 7 million un-employed from near destruction to greatest power in the world and greatest army ever known to man.

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>>130338266
Taking away the work/reward relationship sounds like a terrible idea to me desu.

>>130341277
I don't know about that, it really seems to me at this point that the soviets were done in deliberately by internal kikery, before Stalin was assassinated he wanted to deport all the jews in soviet union to siberia because he saw them as a fifth column in the soviet society.

>>130341576
Yes class is to be exterminated.

>>130341576
Commies should make a game that has a skill curve and no higher level players to prove their point.

>>130341759
What? Classes are to not be removed, but rather united by national identity and race. This strengthens the country as a whole, like it did in Nazi Germany

>>130341737
>soviet
>society
No duch thing exists the only true column that is being followed is the exploitation and domination of the people and tge fattening of soviet kasters.

>>130341502
I don't honestly know, i can only assume it was honestly done in solidarity to support japan in their effort out of some aryan sense of honor, love and fraternity it was a big mistake and without the krauts could have held on for possibly years longer.

>>130341893
Class serves no purpose but divide and weakening the race.

>>130338980
National Bolsheviks are against the jewish 1%.

>>130341998
Are you Strasserist? There will always be people who are on the top, and always be people who are on the bottom, but that shouldn't divide the nation; the people who are on the top/bottom should not see themselves in that way.

>>130341759
Okay commie the gulag is over there, fascism advocates for permanent class cooperation not class elimination because that is communism.

>>130342116
National Bolshevism is just a ploy to confuse people into thinking that communism works.

>>130339560
You do understand what an alliance is, right?

>>130342208
By Copying an ideology that lastet 12 years?

>>130342208
But That Can repilled commies

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>>130340889
>The Soviets likely would have declared war on Poland at some point

They did invade Poland around the same time, there's only one country France & the UK declared war on for it though. Hint: it wasn't Russia or the USSR.

England and France made a contract to start a war if Germany attacked Poland, but not the USSR.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Polish_military_alliance

Then they shortly after baited Hitler to attack them by torturing and killing ethnic Germans that were still in their territory. Their kike-controlled governments used this as an excuse to destroy Germany.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSLy5qn7q7c

https://youtube.com/watch?v=VQL2D3uBvSI
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Djk8oqLrrAY

http://jrbooksonline.com/polish_atrocities.htm
http://archive.is/KOYwn

Reminder that France and England were the ones who officially declared war and started the whole thing, not Germany.

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>>130341998
No class ir castes only natural posistions based on merits the best for the tribe lead the tribe for the best interest of the tribe, not for their own interests, and this the racial community be of servants to a will and not a single organic body that all serve.

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>>130335674
>Which one and why?
both -- 'cause if you're gonna an her0, you should at least do it right

>>130339560
You are seemingly failing to realize that Hitler was in an Alliance with Japan at the time, and only declared war on America to uphold his end of the bargain. That IS the basis of an alliance, no?

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>>130342399

>>130341998
Class arises out of skill disparity among humans. It persists because of how significant an advantage capitol is. You can argue about how fair inherited class is but it will always be there

>>130342147
National Socialism exterminates all classes and castes.

>>130335674
>stupid vs stupid
>why?

>>130340177
>literal nazi quoting Bakunin
Can't make this shit up

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>>130335674
Reminder that history has already decided the answer to this question

>>130342495
No, it doesn't. You seem to not know what NatSoc actually IS

>>130342332
As far as i understand it natbol is merely nationalized communism instead of internationalized communism. Most of the 10 points of the communist manifesto apply to natbol. Not too well versed in that heresy desu.

>>130336846
>Mussolini didn't show prejudice based on race
Except he considered Slavs subhumans and wanted to wipe Slovenes and Croats off the Adriatic coast. Italian fascists were definitely racist, they just didn't hate Jews much.

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>>130342273
>>130342454
Does an alliance require you to tag-along with even the stupidest of decisions, even when this will lead to the destruction of your nation?

>>130342495
I think you are a communist friend

>>130342582
"There have been as many NatSocs as Nazis"

>>130342495
It really fucking doesn't mate.

>>130342462
No, you arent born a class or a caste and so it is false and destroyed.

>>130342573
Yes one of the ideologies was brutally cut down by the evil kikes while the other just collapsed on its own for being so intolerable.

>>130342598
>nationalized communism
That's pretty much what was going on in Yugoslavia with Titoism.

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>>130342673
>there have been as many nazis as nazis

>>130342773
>Implying nazi germany was sustainable

>>130335674
The non jewish one.

>>130342916
What made it unsustainable?

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>>130342666
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-0Y9P65fGAE
"You who know no caste or classes that gabe divided and weakened our people you are the future of Germany." Adolf Hitler

In the new order there is only the race the individual and the people no classes or castes.

>>130342659
How was he to know that it would partially lead to the defeat of the Axis Powers in WWII? At the time, the Axis was experiencing numerous victories over the considerably weak Allies (at the time, that is)

>>130342144
>people at the top got there by stomping on people at the bottom
>classcucks like you say we should be okay with that
Fuck that and fuck you.

A satanic jew boogeyman vs a satanic jew boogeman

>>130342144
the Strassers believed in class, they just emphasized the working class really heavily

>>130343094
There are no classes in national socialism we are all brothers or have our own wills sovereign in communion freedom and progress.

>>130343094
In National Socialism, abusing the people at that top isn't tolerated, and when they do abuse their fellow countrymen, they are reprimanded and removed. Even then, those at the top in Nazi Germany did not abuse the people, and the ones that did were Jews who had been removed. All fighting over class does is weaken the Nation and the people of it; it's just another Jewish ploy to control our race.

>>130338081
Nice bait, beta faggot.

>>130343094
>stratification necessitates conflict
not even marx believed this

>>130343289
Everyone must know work, everyone serves the nation.

>>130343289
Perhaps not in the sense that you or I think of classes, but a form of social Hierarchy DID exist in Nazi Germany; it was merit based, as it should be everywhere.

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>>130343289
Except when the wages for the workers get reduced, and their right to strike get abolished, while the profits of the rich jump.

Do you think I don't know that you speak in nothing but lies?

>>130343530
That doesn't mean classes don't exist.
not all work is equally valuable to the nation.

>>130343453
>da joos da joos
Do you guys unironically believe that everything is a Jewish conspiracy or are you just LARPing and memeing for fun?

>>130341192
No, that was the jews and a non-ethno state.

>>130335674
Fusion dance.

>>130335674
>>EVERYONE
Sorry guys, the future is gonna be Social (ist) Jewstice For All.
Everyone has been screaming for it, and by God, they are gonna get it
I wanna thank BLM, and the Natsoc useful idiots most of all...this never would have been possible without you.
Thanks for actually seeming to believe that making rich whites/blacks take care of their inferior subordinates, will somehow help society.
I dunno how you guys did it, but Kudos.
Soon, they will all be forced to respect our Authoritah!!

We even have a petition to put drive-thru abortion clinics on every corner in the Ghetto, right next to the liquor stores and crack houses; we already make deliveries there...several birds, one stone...

>>130343549
There was no class identity whatsoever, Hitler fraternalized and lived with the workers same as goring and all leadership.

The best lead, and are rewarded accordingly by their posistion of merit and deed of service to the nation.

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>>130339203
So basically it's just like what we said earlier in which every attempt at communism ends with one group holding the majority of the power.

Congratulations, we've now come full circle.

>>130343602
Some are just shitposting. Others actually believe this stuff

>>130343588
All workers had rights to certain social unification goals and payments for working.

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>>130343289

There are classes. You can't get rid of classes no matter how hard you try, in nature there are always groups that will rise to the top. Even in attempts at communist dictatorships, there were always a small group (usually Jews) governing over the whole country, so a class system existed.

What national socialism advocates is class cohesion, rather than class conflict, by uniting the classes and the people spiritually, culturally, and racially.

>>130343900
Classes do not exist.

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Fascism because nazi anime girls are cuter than communist ones

>>130343602
But it is well known that communism WAS created by Jews... The Russian Revolution should be renamed to the "Jewish" Revolution as almost every leader of that movement WAS Jewish. Same goes for other communist revolutions in other countries; As an example, the failed communist revolution in Germany in 1919

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>>130344036

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>>130344076

>>130339122

>what is private property and enterprise

Soros is enterpreneur and you should respect him for that fact? Fuck off.

>what is the right to bear arms

Another thing for cucks to think they can change something, while sucking the circumcised cock of people who hold your country and, by extension, the world.

>what is class solidarity instead of class war
>Class solidarity

Literally non-existant. Especially considering that rich people usually are completely detached from reality.

>>130343900
The peopke of Germany all lived the same, ate the ame, all had homes, work for the nation and joined military the same.

Different distributions of wealth existed due to different contributions, not due to wny inherent divisive identity of class.

>>130343824
For legit reasons. The majority of people that are millionaires/ in positions of power and influence in the Western World are Jewish, after all.

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>>130335674

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>>130344036
This is the only reason I choose any ideology

>>130342659
You know what a really stupid decision is? Kindling the flames of a second European war just to sell off unnecessary armament surpluses so that you don't look retarded for plunging your degenerating nation further into depression.

>>130339192

>Hitler was acting in self defense

Hitler was a retard. He was not acting on self defence, he was acting on a fight that without robbing others, economy of the Third Reich would wither.

>>130343969
Class collaboration and the recognision of the existence of classes and class hierarchy was a key component of fascist ideology.

>>130343790
>Hitler fraternalized and lived with the workers same as goring and all leadership.
All politicians go for the "look at me, I'm a man of the people" bullshit.

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>>130343969
Greetings from the future my fellow socialist!! Feel the Bern!! We're keeping the dream alive.
Voting Dem is the FINAL, TRUE, red pill.
You can't argue with effectiveness. Progressive gun control, has done more to destroy black communities, than CRACK!!
We've got George "The Golden Gasser" Soros himself, funding BLM while blacks kill each other, and Hamas to kill Israelis...you guys better get in on this shit. Everyone knows we're the REAL racists and Nazis.
Don't forget to vote Democrat brothers.... SOCIALISM FOREVER!! There are something like 20 Haitian families, homeless, just so I can drive German Engineering. Get in on this shit...we pretend to be on their side....AND THEY BELIEVE IT!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
BEST LARP EVER!!!

>>130344277
Hitler did not believe in classes and worked to exterminate them, any class identity was a tgreat and enemy of the state.

>>130343856
And their payments weren't equal. The proletariat/bourgeoisie structures still existed, but with the exploitation elements removed through state policy and regulations.
It doesn't matter how many times you say classes didn't exist, they did.
When currency exists, government exists, private property exists, there's no way for classes to not exist.

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>>130343602

You know that's mainly what the war was about right? The Axis, and the Reich at the center fighting international Jewry

You think over 60M men died, and it was just a joke and a "conspiracy theory"?

http://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/goeb64.htm

Read The International Jew by Henry Ford, read up on who led the German Revolution trying to implement communism in Germany, and who managed to implement it in Russia.

>Putin: Soviet Government Was Mostly Jewish 80-85%
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIeYoF1VhHc

>Winston Churchill exposes Jewish forces behind Communism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNcERXGcpEY

http://archive.org/details/TheInternationalJewByHenryFord1920

>>130335674
Fascism for me. Communism did, however, preserve Eastern Europe (including Russia) from being infected by (((Western liberal pozz))). That said, Communism was a miserable failure, international Capitalism isn't any better. Both are Jewish.

>>130344409
Classes did not exist nor was any structure of such allowed to exist, people had different wealths but the state did not function in the identification and cultivation of a class identity and class interests.

>>130344620
And so no class identity and classes exisyed simply individuals of different wealths due to their positive contribution to the socialist state.

>>130335674
BOTH, because FUCK U, Amrinigger.
( the moth on my screen is more entertaining than you will ever be, you poor cultureless CUNT )

>>130344620
Different wealtg if individuals dont create classes, the power of the individuals over another collective creates classes and the wealth of a rich positive German individual did not dominate the people of Germany or their lives because it granted no greater worth or political power over another, this is the basis of the national socialist worker states policy.

>>130344620
By distributing that currency they're by default cultivating classes. That is the structure that allows it to exist, with private enterprise. Doesn't matter how many times you say "no"
Identity or interests has nothing to do with it, that's Marxist doctrine. Class exists separate from any of his theories.

>>130344761
As a woke social justice warrior, I am afraid I must insist Mexico, Islam, and all of South America, pay restitution immediately.
We will no longer tolerate your brown privilege, towards other POC.
If you don't know about brown privilege, then you probably have it.
You guys owe reparations. Mexico's wealth (lmao) is based on slavery.
That's a LOT of pesos, pendejos
PS Where did the Mexicans go? Has anyone even seen Mexico in the last few days? I am starting to worry.
Change is bad...how many of the Nazi flags are Mexican/south American? I bet its a LOT.
But more than leafs? I dunno? The real question is, who the fuck are all these fucking pirates?

>>130335674
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K89U0dhorc4&feature=push-u&attr_tag=3Ih6Dty-oouHV-Mh-6

>>130336203
First post worst post.

At least fascism creates strong people.

>>130343656
Both of those became problems because of classical liberalism. Do you think Jews just fell from the sky?

>>130345073
Right to a family, luxury, home, and sufficient money to live a life of worth was qvailable to all German workers, if you were capable of achieving and contributing more to the German nation then your reward would of course be greater but it did not foster classs identity or have any negative effects on the lives of others.

>>130345073
>it granted no greater worth or political power over another
Of course it did.
Money still represented power, but the point was that your money is earned through your contributions to the nation as opposed to how well you can screw over others or manipulate the economy to your advantage like in capitalism.

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anyone know where i can watch the full movie "the greatest history never told"?
for free and no censure?

>>130345378
In socialism, ALL SOCIALISM/FASCISM, you still have to trust the word of corrupt PEOPLE, about how much production/resources are available. You have no way of knowing.
At least in capitalism, you can vote with your dollars, and buy into shares of the produce/resources.
In addition, whether you pretend to place centralized control of resources, in the state (socialism), or the people (communism), the difference is sheer semantics....pretending to place control in a human construct designated the ability to actually be fair, and not corrupt.

In fact we have fascism/socialism now...that is what the bailouts were. Those are the Peoples' Banks. Obamacare is the Peoples' insurance. Why ask for something you already have?

>>130338644
Proof or of shit the fuck up. At least fascism creates strong people and had a moral underpinning.

>>130345378
>did not foster classs identity
Right, it fostered classes.
Hierarchy doesn't require conflict.

>>130345378
There is only workers of different wealth, not a non worker and his servants and the bosses of course would pay a fair wage to contribute to true value of the worth the worker produced, as an organic whole being.

>>130337918
>founder
>fascism
Pick one. Mussolini himself denied that he invented fascism, he said instead that he "extracted it from the Italian people".

>>130335674
Implying Communism isn't a form of fascism
Fucking kill yourself

>>130345580
Hierarchy are not classes.

>>130345684
Because it's NOT a form of communism. They are two distinctly different ideologies.

>>130345452
now that's a body

>>130345694
The classes in Germany were a hierarchy. Unless you include non-Germans living in Germany territory.

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>>130345740
Yes it is

>>130335674
Communism or anything, communism will always be the worst. It never amounts to anything more than jews taking over a country.

>>130339259
>bait germany's ally into attacking US to join the war
>act surprised when they declare war
Stop being retarded

>>130345801
Classes are not hierarchy, class identity is based on the identification of wealth and occupation to a group identity no such thing existed in Germany, hierarchy existed based on leading snd collectivizing multiple wills to a single true will but did not ecist fir the interests of classes or class identity.

>>130337808
Summer.

>>130342399
WE WUZ VICTIMS

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>>130345452

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XExjrZxTdk
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=eaf_1382262528
>Adolf Hitler The greatest story Never told Full 6 hours Documentary

Bonus vids:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzIRG525l6s
>Adolf Hitler's Warning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5nzjkmtCOc
>Why did Hitler hate Jews?

>Kevin MacDonald - The Culture of Critique
http://angelfire.com/rebellion2/goyim/je1.pdf

>>130338644
>shill for kikes
>nazi germany's strongest ally

>>130337808
Fuck off anarchistic ape

>>130346099
Classes are a hierarchy when they're a hierarchy.
"Class identity" is a completely separate term that has nothing to do with how society's organized into classes, but with how those classes interact with each other
Now stop repeating this over and over.
The idealistic notions about equality are important, but pragmatism is more important. Believing people are LITERALLY all of equal worth or that society can consist of one universally singular body is harmful thinking, bordering on communist

>>130338781
Albania wasn't a war though, zog submitted to Mussolini's demands.

>>130345914
>The country must grow and the "implied" goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world, and have every human submit to the government

That is a bullshit definition, probably provided by your friendly neighborhood Jew. If that IS the goal of fascists nations, why is it that Nazi Germany did not want non-whites to be members of the Nation?

>>130345914
>only official definition of fascism
>benito mussolini, the founder of fascism
HAHAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHQAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHADHADASDFASDFG

>>130346612
Growing a country does not mean growing the amount of foreigners in it, dumbass.. It means gathering ground & having your people breed.

>>130336203
>posting the US flag.

The US is an elected monarchy with fascist aspects.
It was and is.

>>130346693
Who was the founder of the very first "fascist party" in the world? (Hint: It's called PNF)

>>130346935
>Elected
>Monarchy
Pick one...

>>130339360
>no reason

Soviet's broke the molotov pact by waiting to attack Poland. Hitler only declared war on the USSR after they built and invasion force on Germany's borders.

All these fucking ignorant fucks.

>>130346776
>rule the world
>have every human submit to the government
>this somehow doesn't involve increasing the amount of foreigners
>>130346937
>founder of the first fascist party = founder of fascism
please stop

>>130346776
The part I'm disputing is that "Fascism's 'implied' goal is world domination" which is bullshit considering that Fascism is NOT a globalist ideology seeking to unite all peoples under one banner.

>>130346978
There's such a thing as elected monarchies, you fool. They may not have the title of "King" but they're still an autocrat which is what a King is.

>>130347041
>Rule the world
>Not have foreigners
If the world exists of 1 state, there are no foreigners.. If we look at examples from history, the foreigners are slaughtered when conquering the land.

>>130347041
He's still a founder of fascism.. Not the ONLY founder of fascism, but still a founder.

>>130347151
Definition of monarch:
A hereditary sovereign..

Those aren't elected, dumbass..

>>130335674
>Communism vs Fascism
>That pic
kys

>>130347333
Did you just ignore that fact that I explicitly stated "They may not have the title of "King" but they're still an autocrat"?

>>>130347333 (You)
I didn't.. Did you just ignore the fact that there's a difference between an autocracy and a monarchy?

>>130347558
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elective_monarchy
They exist, you fool

>>130337814
Mussolini invented fascism retard

>>130346159
nice meme newfriend but he's right you know.

>>130346935
If that was the case, the border wall would be up by now and Muslims would be banned. The US government is an eternally compromising rabble, literally the opposite of a monarchy.

>>130347237
Fascism was around long before Mussolini was even born, it just wasn't called fascism.

>>130347719
ebin

>>130347558 (You)
Fuck you fag

>>130347673
But they're not elected by the general public, they are elected by a small group of individuals

>>130347673
>Elected
>Approved by council
Pick one, retard.

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>>130335674
>>>130335674
>Communism...It treats men as equals.
"Some animals are more equal than others" Jesus, go read Animal Farm.

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>>130335674

>>130348069
>>130348211
They are still ELECTED though. Whether they be elected by everyone or a group of people, the leader (or in this case the monarch) is still ELECTED. That's how the Roman's did it before 509 BC; the Senate (which was a hereditary position if I'm not mistaken) elected a monarch from within the Senate. Granted, that didn't last to the end of the Roman Monarchy, but my initial point that there can be elected monarchies still stands.

>>130346586
Classes may constitute a hierarchy but hierachy is not classes, classes didnt exist in Germany there was only tge nation and individuals, no middle class, upper class etc.. simply individuals of different monetary value and roles, classes are disgusting and an abomination class interest as well, different wealths do not constitute classes class identity or class interests.

>>130348703
They aren't elected. There's only 1 candidate. The council can theoretically "disapprove" (and be murdered by the current monarch), but that never happens (how weird..)

>>130345043
The last picture under nazism doesn't even make sense. I guess it's an attempt at "humor".

>>130348974
It's how a monarchy is passed to a different family (e.g. when there's no prince).

>>130335674
Fascism definitely. I'll fight and die to bring about a Nazi America.

>>130336203
Your classical liberalism is extinguishing the white race. But I'm sure you're the "I don't care about skin color as long as they value the right ideology" types. Maybe not, but either way it's destroying our race and I can't subscribe to ethnic suicide.

>>130335674
Both

>>130348974
It is still an ELECTION in the technical sense of the word you dense fool. Whether it be from a small group of nobles or the whole damn country, the kings were still ELECTED

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/elected?s=t

>>130349159
Current liberalism (leftism) is pretty distinguishable from classical liberalism. It's just that the silent majority (of left-wingers) is f*cking it up by staying silent.

>>130348958
>hierarchy is not classes
Why are you saying this?
>classes didnt exist in Germany
This isn't true.
>different wealths do not constitute classes
They do when the wealth can be used to control a greater part of the economy than someone else.
i.e. private enterprise

You think classes are disgusting because you take Marxist theory as fact.
There's nothing wrong with some people being worth more than others and organizing society around that fact.

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>>130349252
Nope.. An election should be a "careful" or "considered" choice..
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/elected
These people are put forward by the current monarch, and approved by a council (which, again, can't really deny an approval).
If you want to use the broadest sense of "elected" then any form of gov is "elected" (a king "chooses" his son, a coup-leader "chooses" to commit a coup, etc..).
You're basically trying to twist words just to win an argument that you just lost...

>>130349590
The wealth does not control the economy, the economy is controlled by the state, individual wills are allowed and thus different distribution based on positive contributions, but no classes simply individuals, people being of different values does not constitute classes, simply can contribute more and from the contribution of ability obtains more reward.

>>130338081
>communism
>apex of individual freedom

>>130349299
Current "conservatism" is much closer to classical liberalism. It's still shit.

>>130346266
appreciate it lad
such based
much upboat

>>130335674

communism and fascism is the same thing, nationalist patriotism is the only way to go

>>130349965
Most people don't disapproved of the concept of communism, just like most people don't disapprove the concept of nazism.. It's the road towards those things that kills millions (which a lot of people don't really like).
>>130350213
True.. I see a lot of "classical liberals" who call themselves conservative now.. The center has shifted apparently.

>>130349961
>the economy is controlled by the state
>individual wills are allowed
That's called private enterprise. People's wealth can be used to control greater parts of the economy.

>people being of different values does not constitute classes
It does when they're organized in society based on that. Which they were.

>>130350446
There is no classes only the people this classes do not exist nor class interests.

>>130350572
Why do you keep repeating false things?
Refute what I said.

>>130349706
What's the deal?
Did you think there's no such thing as elected monarchy, or what?

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>>130335674
Both are shit. Absolute Monarchy FTW

>>130335674
communism actually works today in some countries.
nat. socialism doesnt, hence its the inferior system.

I don't like the idea of COMMUNISM, it's so fucking gay...although Marx was right about Class Warfare and all.

National Socialism would be far better without all the fascism and as little socialism as possible (i.e. denying it to illegal and such undesirables)

>>130335674
Fascism. Order. One Race. One religion. Perfect society.

No jewish tricks either.

>>130350739
It's an oxymoron. Elected monarchs are like Maduro in 2015.. Getting elected because the opposition "mysteriously" gets shot, or because the entire council who approves you is threatened is not "being elected"

>>130350920
OTOH, countries that aren't even national socialist are closer to national socialism than communist countries are to communism

Both are bad, but Communism is worse because it's considered socially acceptable to be a Communist, while it's not to be a Fascist, even though more people have died under Communist regimes than Fascist.

>>130351176
How is it an oxymoron if you're acknowledging they can be voted into power by shady means?

>>130351035
>National Socialism would be far better without all the fascism
Define fascism.

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>>130335674
fascism easy.

>>130351502
Because in an "elected monarchy" (as defined by wikipedia) they aren't voted into power. They're approved. If they are not approved the current monarch remains in power.

>>130339080
>save western civilisation
>completely willing to let Japan take Australia and New Zealand as colonies

Yeah nah go fuck yourself

>>130350920
What countries are you referring to? North Korea?

>>130351691
What do you mean as defined by wikipedia lol
>The manner of election, the nature of candidate qualifications, and the electors vary from case to case.
No reason "legit" elected monarchies couldn't exist

Yes hello is this the nazbol thread :DDD

ps: for those wondering what the actual difference is between natsoc and nazbol, it's that nazbol promotes full planned economy and is anti-western in sentiment (inb4 kneejerk, anti-western != anti-white)

>>130352441
What exactly do you mean anti-western?

>>130339360
>Literally invades half of Eastern Europe
>no reason

>>130352615
in a philosophical/metapolitical/metahistorical sense. Though Spengler himself was not a national bolshevik, a lot of the ideological foundations are very similar.

Yockey, de Benoist and of course Dugin are the most similar "modern" thinkers.

>>130351505

Government as a forceful moral agent. Like, dude get off my lawn. Just give us works and incentives to form a family and just do your own thing.

>>130343656
Exactly. There were enabled by classic liberalism.

>>130335674
>Which one and why?
Answer: Neither
Reason: Godless heathens.

>>130337918
What's the Roman Empire?

>fascism
>posts swastika
oh you are one of those liberals that calls everything he doesn't like or understand fascism

>>130353101
But that moral watchdoggery only goes as far as to prevent things that are harmful to the nation.

>>130353547

>harmful to the nation.

Yeah, which is a very slippery term, right now 4chan is harmful to the nation.

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>>130335674

Same Origins - aka made in Germany

Different Colors - Blakc and Red aka Antifa colors

Same Targets --- Freedom

Fascism. Always fascism.

>>130353721
Fair point. I don't know enough about nazbol to accuse your ideology of choice for being even more repressive. But i've assumed that for an example freedom of speech could be lawful in a fascist society as fascism is very customizable. I've assumed that laws prohibiting it would be directed at for an example NGO's or new services spreading obviously seditious or subversive content.

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>>130342610
>Slavs are subhumans
what else would they be then?

>>130355560
>libertarians+nazis
I will never understand this meme

>>130335674
In the real world I would choose Communism because the germans attacked my country.

>>130354919

>nazbol

The flag? I don't give a fuck about Nazbol, but it's a hot russian/asian meme or some shit, it's a good meme.

Regarding freedom of speech, don't assume laws will protect it, the black claw of the state will always find ways to make the law work for them. Does that mean "fuck laws and borders n shit"? Hell naw, just don't give them a reason to go and mess with people's lives...that's why terrorists are so fucked up, because it's the perfect scapegoat for totalitarian, Orwellian shit. How to stop terrorism? Well, it seems that nobody seem to find a pattern yet, guess we'll never know...see where I'm going?

Just think of your current government, but not caring about looking like villains, so they fuck you fuck with military force instead of stealth terrorism.

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>>130335674
Fascism. The only good communist is a dead communist.

The amount of morons on this board. I'll make it easy for you.

IF YOUVE NEVER READ AT LEAST TWO BOOKS ON BOTH OF THESE SUBJECTS JUST GO KILL YOURSELVES.

Inb4 real communism has never been tried before.