Redpill me on nukes

>>130325050
Do some digging on who gave Pakistan nukes. Redpills inbound (protip: it was as a response to the USSR giving nukes to India)

Don't even dream about nukes,eternal kraut

>>130325367
Why doesn't Latvia have nukes? Aren't you threatened by Russia?

We are not allowed to have nukes because we agreed to the "Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany".

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Final_Settlement_with_Respect_to_Germany

Switzerland also tried to get some, but the americans went full reeeeeeeeeeeee mode.

They exist and aren't going anywhere. Having them if a nessecary evil

>>130325050

>Why Germoney cannot into nooks?

Because we said so, bitch.

>>130325478
They have ours

>>130325050
Because Germany has zero power in the world.
Your economy is based off others buying your shit.
We will never let you have power because we are just using your people as nigger tier slaves.

>>130325050
Pakistan didn´t ask Uncle Sam. They just built some. Same with the Norks
>Oh please jewish Masters, can i pls have a bomb?

>>130325814
Not for long. Latinos won't give a shit about a 2 million East Euro nation they probably don't know exists.

Nukes for the jews

>>130325910
Sure thing Shlomo. Except you can't just "build some" nukes, especially when your scientific level is 18th century tier.

There are many countries that could go nuclear in a long weekend.
>Canada
>Japan
>Germany
>S. Korea
Many others. That's just off the top of my head. It's the international non-proliferation regime that keeps things under relative control.

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>>130325478
You know, it's kinda expensive...Also we have weaponized folk songs

>>130325050
Nukes are the reason why there hasn't been a direct conflict between two major powers since 1945

>Why aren't advanced big countries such as Germany

You co-own France's nukes
The United States has promised most countries that if they get nuked, the US will nuke back

>>130326521
>the United States has promised

kek. not even their greatest ally believed that shit

>>130325050
>What are they good for
Killing things
>How many do countries need
More than the enemy
>When will they next be used
Not sure about when, but the Where is South East Asia
>Why aren't advanced big countries such as Germany allowed to get them but Pakistan and North Korea are allowed to have them
Because no one wants to risk war with China/Russia and go stomp those countries.

why the UK has such a problem growing it's supply will always confuse me.
probably because we somehow got ourselves ripped off by americans.

>>130326693

>Because no one wants to risk war with China/Russia and get stomped by those countries

ftfy

>>130326905
Uhm, no sweetie. In a conventional war the US could fight all of those countries at once but the US will have allies that join in. Problem is it won't be conventional.

>>130327108
China is 4 times the size of the US and has a well-trained ground army. the US has niggers and women

>>130325050
>tfw you need nukes just because you're surrounded by mudslimes.

>>130326611
Empty promise or not, it has successfully kept other nations from developing nukes of their own

>>130327357
not the greates ally

>>130327108

Um... try again honey. China has 200 million men ready for the meat-grined. Not to mention the pact with most ex-soviet nations Russia has.

Russia has 10,000 nukes and China for the meat grinder. The West would fall very, very quickly. Dont forget how densely populated Europe is. Dont forget how many subs Russia and China have.

>>130327196
>China is 4 times the size of the US
And mostly desert.
> a well-trained ground army
Along with a significantly worse Airforce and Navy.
Stop being retarded.

>>130326693
>South East Asia
There's a lot of truth to that. Energy concerns are about to push Asia back into realpolitik. Also, eastern Europe is going to be dicey in the next several years with Russia's decline and territorial ambitions. There's a possibility that someone could throw a nuke into the mix in eastern Europe and fuck over everyone.

>>130327594
i meant China the nation you dummy
There's 4 chinks for every burger

>>130327687
And us Americans each have 4 bullets for every chick.

>>130327687
>muh numbers
Gee what happens when a mass bombing campaign meets a densely populate area anon?

>>130328037
Americans can only shoot school children. You can't even defeat a small bunch of dune coons

>>130325050
>What are they good for?
Killing a lot of people, doing bad damage
>How many do countries need?
As many as they can get
>When will they next be used?
Hopefully not for a long time
>Why aren't advanced big countries such as Germany allowed to get them but Pakistan and North Korea are allowed to have them?
They aren't cucks and understand the concept of defending yourselves, unlike you

>>130328202
Ask yourself this since most military age Americans live in urban areas

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>>130325050

>>130325050
http://desuarchive.org/k/search/tripcode/%21%21bd8BUj0eKSN/
this guy knows what he's talking about, he's one of the only good tripfags on this entire website

>>130325050
>What are they good for?

Deterring people from fucking with you. It's especially useful in negating whatever leverage a nation with nukes could hold over you, and the more nations have nukes the more and more UNlikely nukes ever being used again becomes, because for every nation a nation might wish to nuke, at least one other nation will be willing to retaliate for that use, regardless of intentions or justifications. MAD was not just pulled out of thin air, it was a very real, very potent doctrine that played no small role in keeping the Cold War cold.

>Why aren't advanced big countries such as Germany allowed to get them but Pakistan and North Korea are allowed to have them?

Countries that already have them don't want countries that don't have them to get them, precisely because of reasons I'd laid out before.

>>130326226
Are they allowed to do all the research and stuff to make them as long as they don't actually produce a functional one, or is it a "don't even think about it" thing?

>>130325050
all you need to know kraut is what one single nuke is like 100 Chernobyls

>>130325050
>Pakistan has more nukes than India
F A K E N E W S
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>>130325287
Lol we made our own nukes by tricking US search on Pokhran we even got a war for that,for not consulting US.

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>>130325050
>advanced big countries such as Germany
if by 'advanced' you mean good at taking rapefugee dick and becoming a kaliphate then yes.

krautniggers pls go

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>>130327108
>>130327562

>>130328815
you couldn't even make your own toilet. same with Pakis

>>130325050
They don't exist. The technological capability just isn't there.

>>130328851
>a non country talking tough

You literally only exist because the US allows it.

>>130328804
And when did Russia get more than usual?

>>130325050
Nuclear dissuasion. Enough to kill 80 millions german in case of. Cuz you lost WW2, also, Pakistan and North Korea aren't allowed to have them.

Any other question, Fritz ?

>>130325496
I just Wiki'd it. How do Germans feel about this today? How long is it supposed to last?

>>130326140
Israel has had multistage weapons for decades

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>>130328997
Since when pirates started advocating for toilets?

>>130328665
>>130328665
I believe they're allowed to do all the research and have MOST of the material they'd need. After all most of them have civilian nuclear power, research facilities and educational institutions, and the skilled personnel. I think it's mostly treaty obligations and political and diplomatic happenstance that keep them in line, after all those four and most of the others are exceptionally close allies of the US which means they don't need an independent nuclear deterrent or capability.

>>130325496
I mean I just went through it. How come Switzerland wanted some if they're neutral??

>>130330176
>confusing Somali niggers with jolly gentlemen of fortune

I'm more interested in how the fuck Pakistan hasn't yet lost a few of their nukes to Taliban or ISIS.
Isn't like half of their cunt ruled by Islamists?

>>130329229
its pretty much the other way around
USA isnt independent , its controlled by a shadow government . there's no way the country could survive a week governed by orange meme man.

>>130330349
That must be one of your (((many))) designated shitting canal.

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>>130330551
>the toilet is a jewish trap

>>130330010
I guess It doesnt really matter since Germany isnt going to be in any risk of beeing nuked. ( Even tho Berlin might be an exeption ).

Also, why should we nuke anyone ?

>>130325050
South Africa used to have nukes, but they gave them up so ANC wouldn't have them. Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Ukraine give their nukes to Russia after the USSR dissolved. Sweden, Romania, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Iran, Libya, and some South American countries (Argentina, Brazil, Chile) tried to get nukes but never did. There's no proof Israel has nukes but it's assumed that they do.

>>130330828
>Also, why should we nuke anyone ?

Why not? There are many countries that would benefit from a proper nuking. One comes to mind in particular.

>>130325050
>What are they good for?

Blowing up other nuclear weapons locations, military bases and of course, city capitals. It's extremely unlikely they will be used to target areas with large populations, but the worst thing they will do is destroy lots of harvest, that everyone needs. And you can't even go into a radioactive area without cleaning up the your mess.

What, you thought someone else was going to clean up all that radioactive waste and irradiated corpses? Hell no mother fucker, it's YOUR fucking nukes, so it's YOUR fucking gamma rays you need to get rid of.

And for the last fucking time, humanity can't go extinct from a nuclear war, unless if everyone was packed into the Grand Canyon and then blown up.

Even idiots know this shit.

>>130325050
They literally prevent another total war scenario

Mutually Assured Destruction is the reason we haven't and will never have WWIII

>>130325050
It's funny for anyone to have that many nukes. Like, how many major cities are there in the world? Not even 1,000 right?

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>>130330775
Well, at least build some sheds for private defecation you dirrrty pirate.

How did the pakis get nukes?

>>130330828
I was thinking more of the settlement in general, like the limits on army, navy and air force

>>130330954
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option


>The Samson Option is the name that some military analysts and authors have given to Israel's deterrence strategy of massive retaliation with nuclear weapons as a "last resort" against a country whose military has destroyed much of Israel.

>>130325050
They're a deterrence. You can have a shit-tier military overall; but if you've got nukes even a superior force has to think twice about invading you.

They're pointless offensively but very valuable defensively.

>>130331302
really makes you think

>>130330283
Because neutrality is never universally respected. Holland, Norway and Belgium were neutral in both world wars, but what happened to them in 1940? If you want to protect your neutrality, you need to be prepared to use what ever means possible.

>>130331464
this desu

>>130325050
Here's an appendix video counting up every nuclear detonation up until 1998 with location and the which country's bomb it was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY

>>130331347
Just remove the simple from the previous link and you will get a good idea. I am not informed enough atm.

>>130330283

because nukes can mean the difference between being "neutral" and being neutral.

>>130331302
China helped them to keep the Indians in check.

>>130325050
>What are they good for?
They have prevented WW3 thus far
>When will they next be used?
Spatial warfare I hope
>Why aren't advanced big countries such as Germany allowed to get them
The world has learnt an unarmed Germany is best Germany

https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

>>130329294
*us

>>130331211
>you can't even go into a radioactive area without cleaning up the your mess.
Actually you can. Most places that have been nuked or are radioactive are a haven for flaura and fauna, even wildlife.

When you travel in an airplane you are exposed to the same levels of radioactivity as a nuclear waste barrenland. It doesn't effect most humans because it's all a matter of chance and it's our immune system is evolved to defeat 99.99% of cancerous cells.

>>130325050
>2017
>not knowing that nukes don't exist
>not knowing that nukes were a ruse to keep the population afraid and keep federal government in power
>not knowing the soviets did the same to their slavecitizens
wake up

>>130327562
You are aware that NATO and US allies amount to a billion people, right? The numerical edge hardly exists and is mitigated through technological superiority.

>>130331675
India was a newly post-colonial state that strongly favored socialism at the time
not a threat to China

>>130331302
You idiot turds gave them nukes.

>>130326693

>more than the enemy

If we can completely annihilate the enemy 6 times over, but they can completely annihilate us 7 times over, are they actually more powerful?

>>130330527

The taliban is a proxy for the Pakistani ISI (inter-service intelligence agency) that exists to 1) attempt to control the Pastuns and 2) keep Afghanistan and India from forming an effective Alliance. What most people miss is that much of Pakistan is simply those Afghan provinces the British were able to exercise control over, and insofar as Afghanistan exists as a country, it has a more legitimate claim over Pashtun regions of Pakistan than Pakistan does itself, what with being a fake country and all. India similarly wants Jammu and Kashmir for itself, and probably Punjab. By keeping the Taliban active and potent, Pakistan essentially keeps it's to enemy neighbors from allying with one another. The Taliban isn't going to go against its masters. ISIS might try, but they're unlikely to succeed because they don't have the same patronage the Taliban has.

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>>130326226
The CIA lists 63? nations with the technical, industrial and material ability to create nuclear weapons within a year.

Delivery systems not included.

>>130332021
How is it that ancaps always peddle the dumbest shit?

>>130331647
>>130331532
Right. Makes sense

>>130332290

delivery systems are no big deal, commercial airliners are a thing and IFF devices are usually done on the honor system.

>>130325050
Netherlands and Germany do have Nukes on load from the US. They don't have the capacity to produce them but they have he ability to use them, largely at their own discretion.

Little known fact.

>>130332518
*loan

>>130327687
>USA: 330 million.
>European NATO allies: 500 million.
>Canada: 35 million.
>ANZAC: 31 million.
>Japan: 148 million.
>South Korea: 48 million.
>Total population of dependable allies: 1.052 billion.

You can get fancy... Throw in India against Pakistan... Add the Gulf States and Iran, South East Asia wants China's ass... Indonesia, etc.

The numbers and the technology are on our side.

>China: 1.3 billion.
>Russia: 128 million.
>Total: 1.428 billion.

Bunch of chumps.

>>130327196
>a well-trained ground army
Questionable, given that a competent military is a threat to the central government so what they have is a loyal military. Also one that hasn't fought a war in nearly two generations.

>>130331616
There's a wonderful conspiracy theory on the upswing that "global warming" or climate change is really the result of above ground nuclear testing in the 40's 50's and 60's. While this time period does coincide with an increase in carbon emissions, it was the above ground nuclear detonations that pushed us over the edge. It's often been talked about the effects of a nuclear war on the atmosphere and environment, but as that vid shows we did in fact have a long and slow nuclear war.

Fuck, I did not know we got so much nukes. And we always talk about how peaceful France is nowadays but we have so many weapons.

>>130331532
only germans dont respect neutrality

subhumans

>>130332147
Threat, competitor, call it what you will, the fact is they have been opponents to China probably since even before modern India was born, even had their own cold-hot war iirc.

>>130331302
how do you think

>>130331302
They got them from the UK. Just like the Indians almost assuredly got them from the Russians.

The US is the ultimate source of all nuclear weapons technology. We gave it to France and the UK, who gave it to Israel and Pakistan respectively. The Russians stole it from the US and gave it to India and China. Israel gave it to South Africa and China gave it to North Korea (I assume, though why they'd do so I have no idea).

they're a jewish lie

>>130332504
IFF?

>>130332606
I love how you guys just assume Russia and China would band together for no apparent reason

>>130332147
Indian nuke program begins: 1944
Sino-Indian border conflict: 1962
Pakistan begins developing nukes: 1972
India tests its first nuke: 1974
China allegedly helps Pakistan: early 80's
China and Pakistan sign non-military nuclear tech agreement: 1986
India tests its second nuke: 1998
Pakistan tests its first nuke: 1998

The Indians and Chinese fought minor skirmishes even into the 80's.

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>>130332698

People who think France is peaceful probably can't point out Mali or the Central African Republic on a map. Not only is a third of your ground forces committed to domestic police operations, France is consistently involved in peacekeeping operations across its former empire and the Balkans. (And ISAF/Afghanistan)

Also the French Nuclear Program was one of CDG's babies and was intended to ensure that France would not become a thrall to the US and UK.

>>130332606
Nato allies are meaningless as all shit. You think Turks and Indonesians will fight for burgers should a war with China happen?
>Japan
>128 million
>average age: 53
>military: none
same with Germany

India is neutral and Russia's bff
all you have left are tiny East Euro shitholes that would get btfo by Russia and Kazakhstan on the Euro front

>technology on our side
that's why Nato is getting btfo in Syria

>>130332783
nah m8ey it was Burgerstan

>>130328864
Fuck I forget that abominable degenerate existed

MY EYES

>>130333181
Pakis have had nukes long before the 90s

>>130332999

Identify Friend or Foe, it's a radio device that is supposed to make it so you don't shoot down civilian airplanes if they stray into a warzone.

The Cubans notoriously abused it to sneak a ground strike through South African air defences in Namibia and succeeded in killing some Saffer conscripts, which was a PR coup for them since Saffers don't like losing conscripts any more than any other Anglo country.

>>130333350
While it is true that the Turkish military is the most capable in Europe, if we dare to consider them European, Japan over the last couple of decades has been slowly "reinterpreting" Article 9 and seeking a more capable and powerful military, particularly Air Force and Navy. Germany's military has been "asleep" for decades, but could conceivably be rebuilt in less than a decade to a strong and capable fighting force. They have the economic and technical skills to do so.

>>130325050
>What are they good for?
Deterrence.
>How many do countries need?
The more the better.
>When will they next be used?
Soon, or maybe never.
>Why aren't advanced big countries such as Germany allowed to get them but Pakistan and North Korea are allowed to have them?
Because you can be as (((advanced)))as possible but you will not allowed a weapon if you are subdued by enemies like Germany.

>>130333074
They're strategic allies under the conditions of the SCO.

>>130333350
Actually, I didn't factor in Turkey's population. Your other points are typical edgy /pol/ issues.

Indonesia, along with the rest of South East Asia, any nation that wad party to TPP, see China as a competitor, rival or threat. It's easy to predict who will ally with whom.

Ukraine won't switch over to the Russian team any side soon... there's Georgia as well... While the majority of the Central Asian states are in league with Russia already and could also be factored in.

India has enlightened self interest to be served by allying with us... Pakistan is China's ally. China is a historical rival of India and they have gone to war as recently as fifty years ago. None of the root issues between Pakistan, China and India have been resolved.

Sure, the Indians have no beef with Russia... but when Pearl Harbl was attacked, the USA declared war on Japan and ended up slugging it out with the Nazis as well. Shit happens, maybe they'd try to pursue conflict with China and Pakistan and leave Russia off the table.

India would enter the conflict with Bangladesh at their side... Who knows, Malaysia and the rest of SEAsia may use Indian participation as the touch stone of their own actions.

Either way, you're just some gay fan boy. There's no fucking way in hell that the West would lose a conventional war.

>>130326693
>Need more nukes than the enemy
Wrong. A country only needs ~10 and a delivery method for nuclear blackmail.

>>130325050
I want every country to have nukes

>>130325050
>8,000 atomic bombs
Why?

>>130325496
>simple.wikipedia.org
git gud, Günther

>>130325814
Nope never did, although other Baltic countries used to and gave them up, like Belarus.

>>130334745
These days the worst case scenario is a proxy, or someone like North Korea just giving them to terrorists. If that shit happens it's game over and will be hard to pin it on a country. Could mean war though so nobody has tried it yet.

One of the better nuclear documentaries is Nukes In Space, narrated by William Shatner:

https://youtu.be/udxsA2F5Kd8

>>130334810
Probably cheaper to just keep them stored away for now than to go through a lengthy and complicated disarmament program. Eventually when they reach the end of their lifespans however they just wont replace them anymore.

>>130334653
Ukraine is embroiled in a civil war. Georgia is small and will be offset by its neighbor Armenia, a close Russian ally.

Indonesia is an increasingly Islamic country. Not sure what you're smoking to believe they will fight for the degenerate USA.

India gets all its weapons from Russia. They have old close ties that go beyond "no beef". It also wouldn't benefit at all from not sitting a war like this out.

>>130325050

Give 1 nuke plox we want nuke :(

>>130325050
Nukes keep the peace. Everyone BTFO because of them.
Without them, the world map would be drawn much differently, who the fuck knows what it would look like.

I've always wondered what would happen if a terrorist cell, or renegade nation, or agents of a large nation managed to ground detonate a nuke in a major city.
Could you imagine the panic if a nuke blew up an American city? Then imagine all the scrambling afterwords, it would behoove a group like ISIS to claim responsibility whether they were involved or not. Now imagine them saying they have another one already in another city. Just the craziness of all the unknowns, the panic, attempted evacuation would be nuts.

Luckily I think most understand the ramifications of using nuclear weapons. Even "crazy" North Korea just uses them for posturing.

>>130325050
Not really an accurate chart since it doesn't include privately owned nukes in the US count.

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>>130335451
>Nukes In Space, narrated by William Shatner

>>130335568

Not only that, but considering the immense diplomatic and political value each weapon has as a bargaining chip, it would be insane to voluntarily relinquish even a single one without some sort of quid pro quo from the other side.

Also both the US and Russia value second-strike capabilities, IE, the ability to nuke somebody after they nuke you. In order for that to be viable you need to have lots of extra nukes lying around so the other guy can't destroy your arsenal in the first strike. Mutually Assured destruction only works if both sides feel that they will be destroyed if they start a nuclear war, which is also why anti-ballistic missile treaties exist.

>>130330283
To ensure they stay neutral

>>130335850

The US would be outraged, probably Nuke somebody back, the world would allow it to do that without too much in the way of protest, then over the next decade and a half the United States would acquiesce to every major demand the terrorists had at the behest of Jews and their traitorous lackies before eventually siding with the terrorists themselves in some inconsequential regional conflict halfway across the globe.

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>>130335902
Do elaborate.

Well German neighboor, i have nothing against you but history showed that you are not the best with diplomaty.
And anyway if a stranger force would try to nuke EU, France will nuke them first.

>>130335603
Indonesia is actually not really focusing on military because our top priority is to build infrastructure on every island.

And yes, Wahhabists prominence here are very alarming. Luckily in no time there's a new bill of law (actually it's more of a ratification) to combat terrorism, that is to increase surveillance and outlawing hate speech, and ban every major religious organization that's considered 'traitorous' and 'unnationalistic' like the Muslim Brotherhood and Hizb-ut-Tahrir

>>130336058
True they seem necessary for such 'second-strike' capabilities, but I can't find a scenario in which they will prove useful in an international conflict between any major modern super/world-powers. They just seem redundant in the modern state of world politics. A war with Russia these days is unlikely regardless of what the left says, and will remain as such for the immediate future. One may only hope they will never be needed anyway.

>>130338627
I might add that I do not support the complete disarmament of any world power, only that they generally do not continue to build them up. As a buildup by anybody could be a catastrophic move to international diplomacy. North Korea is fucked anyway, so only a few nukes are needed in the possible scenario of war against them anyway.

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>>130337116
b-but we changed! we good bois now n we dindu nuffin..

>>130325637
>Having them if a nessecary evil

Not it isn't, Stop this retarded meme.

If Nukes were never invented we wouldn't have these retarded society filled with pussies.

The world needs proper wars and nationalism, the only mistake was that Hitler didn't get the nukes first.

>>130325050
>What are they good for?
Power
>How many do countries need?
If you want to be sovereign, 1. If you want to be a superpower, thousands.
>When will they next be used?
When Kim accidentally hits a real target.
>Why aren't advanced big countries such as Germany allowed to get them but Pakistan and North Korea are allowed to have them?
1. Because no one wants the "we wuz fascists" to have them. 2. So Europe can be reliant on the US. 3. Pakis and NorK aren't part of NATO.

>>130325050
>advanced countries such as Germany
>advanced
>Germany

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>>130325050
They are good at removing liberals.

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>>130325050
I would dispute NK no delivery system. They may have material but no way to get it anywhere except dirty bomb , a couple of years away!

>>130325050
>Why aren't advanced big countries such as Germany allowed to get them
Because you guys are cucks who believe in the rule of law instead of just pursuing national interest like a sane country.

If you want nukes, just build them. Do you think the Norks asked permission?

>>130342919
>being this autistic
in a scenario like that you'd get killed in the microwave if you're in the us. Or really anywhere on earth besides antarctica

>>130325496
That certainly isn't stopping you niggers from trying
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/765679/angela-merkel-germany-nuclear-superpower-united-states-nato
War will come between us soon

>>130339808
>if we were all stupid noone would be smart enough to kill people

>needs nationalism
>uses foreign flag

>>130342919
idaho has never looked so appealing

>>130345700
Not everyone dies anon, rural area will be mostly untouched. The citicucks on the otherhand will go extinct.

>>130346703
>>if we were all stupid noone would be smart enough to kill people

You need to work on that reading comprehension.

>>130345700
>thinking nukes are THAT powerful

The world is going to become one big microwave and absolutely everything is going to die!

there is a sayin that we argies have nuclear capability, but we lack delivery system. Definetly capable of a dirty bomb

>>130347663
>Definetly capable of a dirty bomb
Yeah, just fill a plane with argentinian bolitas and crash it in a city.

>>130327523
Yeah but Jews gonna jew.

>>130347385
>>130347082
>they don't understand the impact of fallout multiplicity
Just one atomic bomb created generations of mutants and a relatively very immediate cancer epidemic.
You probably wouldn't survive a "10 warhead scenario" due to fallout, nonetheless a 500 one. That's completely facile. It's not simply an explosion.

>>130348676
Not everyone dies anon. Continue to stay in your cities, the nukes are coming in a few years.

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Israel with nukes, fuckign scary shit.

>>130342919
That map is 200 different kinds of wrong. Go to /k/ and ask what's wrong about it for a detailed rundown.