Religion is for fags

whatever you save, leaf
sage

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"Beyond the grave they will find nothing but death. But we shall keep the secret, and for their happiness we shall allure them with the reward of heaven and eternity.”

>>130324513
Proof for the resurrection of Jesus:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=A0iDNLxmWVM
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z0tyVdnIU9A

>>130324513
Lots of people benefit from the idea that their actions have lasting consequence
For some, the idea that doing good things will lead to a tangible, albeit deferred, reward is a great carrot-on-a-stick for civil involvement

Sure beats donating to the charity of the month and seeing $10 of your $15 dollar donation go into some corporation's bank account

>>130324513
Religion serves the purpose of establishing a dogmatic hierarchical moral foundation for western civilization to grow vertically from.

Whether you believe in any of the specifics is irrelevant.

>>130324513
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_Nobel_laureates
>According to 100 Years of Nobel Prize (2005), a review of Nobel prizes awarded between 1901 and 2000, 65.4% of Nobel Prize Laureates, have identified Christianity in its various forms as their religious preference (427 prizes).[5] Overall, Christians have won a total of 78.3% of all the Nobel Prizes in Peace, 72.5% in Chemistry, 65.3% in Physics, 62% in Medicine, 54% in Economics and 49.5% of all Literature awards.[6]

>Overall, Christians have won a total of 78.3% of all the Nobel Prizes in Peace, 72.5% in Chemistry, 65.3% in Physics, 62% in Medicine, 54% in Economics and 49.5% of all Literature awards.[6]

>The three primary divisions of Christianity are Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and Protestantism. Between 1901 and 2000 it was revealed that among 654 Laureates 31.9% have identified as Protestant in its various forms (208 prize), 20.3% were Christians (no information about their denominations; 133 prize), 11.6% have identified as Catholic and 1.6% have identified as Eastern Orthodox.[7] Although Christians make up over 33.2% of the worlds population,[8][9][10][11] they have won a total of 65.4% of all Nobel prizes between 1901 and 2000.[6]

>I don’t think people who are illiberal can understand the shock in liberal intellectual elitist circles of a man like Heidegger joining the Nazi party. This man of supreme intellectual gifts dwelling alone in his Shavian hut in the woods dwelling on the ontology of death in life in death in life in death in life—do you see what I mean?—joins, what they considered to be, a barbarous wrecking crew. And they’re appalled, they’re utterly morally appalled. And since the war people have not really known what to do with Heidegger at all.

>As George Steiner said, one of, if not the most, advanced theoretical minds of the Western civilization in the 20th century adopted this particular course.

>And he did it because he believed that you cannot have a society where death has no meaning, because life has no meaning. And you cannot have a society which bases itself upon the absence of the religious urge, however you define that urge and whatever system you use. Because if you do the reverse you will end up with a society which has two values beyond subsistence: Shopping and Fornication.

Leaf is right for once

>>130324513
>prove me wrong /pol/
All of Europe was Christian for centuries. Clearly it is not for "fags" or Europeans would have died out in one generation.

Didn't think about your stupid question, did you dumbass.

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>>130324513
there's no benefit to the Abrahamic religions. These were instilled into Europe as a means of political domination. Tha Vatican later paid extensively to hunt down any records on native European cultures(Paganism) and have them destroyed

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>>130325629
Pagans were weak and Christianity was stronger

Might makes right, end of discussion

Did you suck black cock, Faggot?

>>130324513
bait from leaf boy.

>>130325805
K. So there's no crime in letting Christianity die. Christianity is weak and Islam is stronger.

>>130325629
>there's no benefit to the Abrahamic religions
If people [liberals] want to believe this, they need to be consistent with their dislike of Jodaism and Islam
For (((reasons))) unbeknownst to us, only Christianity takes a public beating while other, more violent religions get a pass

Any guesses as to why?

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>>130324513
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Zeitoun
>Our Lady of Zeitoun, also known simply as El-Zeitoun, Zeitun or rarely Our Lady of Light, was an alleged mass Marian apparition that occurred in the Zeitoun district of Cairo, Egypt, over a period of 2–3 years beginning on April 2, 1968.
>The apparitions were also witnessed by President Gamal Abdel Nasser,[5] and captured by newspaper photographers and Egyptian television. Investigations performed by the police could find no explanation for the phenomenon. No device was found within a radius of fifteen miles capable of projecting the image, while the sheer number of photographs from independent sources suggests that no photographic manipulation was involved. Having been unable to produce an alternative explanation for the luminous sightings, the Egyptian government accepted the apparitions as true.[6]

>>130326066
See:>>130326107

You're not anti-religion, you're anti-Christianity
It's blatant hypocrisy

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>>130325805

Here, have a redpill

>>130326223
I'm just applying his might makes right standards to Christcucks. All religion is cancer

>>130324513
Trump is living proof of gods existence. He is the second coming of christ. The messiah, sent here by god to combat the demon hillary and her vampiric spawn.

>>130326066
Right now it is, yes.

Christianity has become toothless and complacent in the face of Marxist subversion and Islam in Europe.

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>>130326353

Fuck you, weak faggot, Roman Catholicism is our our history and the essence of our culture. You cannot be /ourguy/ if you do not understand it. Faith makes us strong.

>>130326676
Fascinating, because Slavic heritage has been the biggest victim of Christian purges. There's barely a record left about the old Slavic traditions, holidays, Pantheon etc

>Hitchens
>"HAHAHAHA FUCKING CHRISKEKS BELIEVE IN SKYDADDY CANT MAKE THIS SHIT UP. LOW IQ RETARDS GOOD THING IM EUPHORIC IM MY INTELLIGENCE AND RATIONALITY"
>*breathes in lungs full of #1 carcinogen*
>dies of cancer

>>130324513
The costs outweigh the benefits, i.e. spending a lifetime devoting oneself to mythologies that contradict all human reason. This weakens the mind. We don't need allegories to make sense of the world around us. That is just a weak argument by desperate Christ fags attempting to further legitimize their dogma. It's pathetic.

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>>130324513
why do atheists vote the same way as kikes?

>>130326471

Only in the West Christianity is weak. Not in Eastern / Central Europe. You lost it, but we kept faith of our fathers. It makes us strong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0qMGuqwW1w

>>130326471
Modern Christians are too focused on placating their critics and apologizing for their history
Christ haters don't want compromise, they want the elimination of Christianity. Giving up ground won't fix anything

Our current pope is Christian apologism incarnate

>>130327013
>cost
Mom made you go to church one time

>Benefit

Hierarchical institution that gives purpose and meaning to people and provided Europe at one point with a centralized way of dealing with the Islamic invasions of Europe.


Christianity is so watered down these days though I don't know what you are complaining about.

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>>130327103

Our current pope is weak. We need a strong one. And eventually we'll get one.

>>130327321
typical cult bullshit that every religious cuck hears all the time. they all believe they're the ones who know the "true God" too

>>130327037
Both are purely materialistic people of weak moral character

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>>130324513
A Man Who Saw Hell: Interview w/Bryan Melvin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MPHGt9LmfA

>>130324513
If you don't literally believe in heaven then you are not a Christian and you are doing it wrong.

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>>130324513
All of the crying christcucks

lol

>>130327037
Atheists are good goys.

When God doesn't lead your life you are easily subverted by another.

>>130327933
this only applies to low IQ people

>>130327729
Show me an argument? Not even a deeply religious person, I'm just viewing religion from a pragmatic perspective

>>130324513
If it helps them deal with the human condition and get through their daily lives a little bit easier, as well as finding common ground with fellow man, why is that a bad thing? Not all religious people are zealous

Test

>>130328190
Black nationalist test

>>130328225
Templar?

>>130328276
1488 test

>>130327992
Yes, goy! You have a high IQ! This is why you do not need God! Good, goy!

Now join the military and protect your freedom!

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>>130327037
Because most Jews are atheists, largely due to correlation between level of education and religiosity

>>130328311
I guess I'll settle for good ol fascism

>>130328190
>>130328225
>>130328276
>>130328311

S-s-s-SAAAME FAG

>>130328323
the irony of this post considering how Protestant Christcucks love dying for Israel

>>130328511
They missed the part in the Bible where Jesus starts flipping the merchants tables in the temple

>>130324513
The belief in an afterlife will affect the way someone behaves in the current life.

>>130324513
Didn't read. Atheism is a mental disorder. sage.

>>130328511
I dare say that most "religious people" are feigning it. There are few that really believe in Christ.

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Everybody just take the redpill

>>130328962
I like eating pork

>>130328922
without slavish Christcuckery AIPAC would not survive

>>130329023
http://www.silverdoctors.com/gold/gold-news/yes-the-scientific-evidence-says-that-eating-pork-does-cause-cancer/
There is a reason behind everthing fellow burger

>>130329295
I also like owning a dog

>>130325294
>being so stupid that you make an argument against your position
Find total number of Christians and compare it to the total number of Christian Nobel laureates.

Now do that with Atheists and Jews.

Look at the percentages.

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>>130324513
>if you literally believe you're going to heaven
This doesn't make any sense.

>>130324513
>Ignoring the spiritual, transcendent and mystic aspects of religion
yeah man you have it all figured out

>>130329101
Without Christianity the West will not survive.

It would have never came to be either.

>>130329546
the West is an arbitrary concept. the word wasn't in common use before the Cold War. do you mean the white race? Europe?

>>130324671
File name is wrong. That's Fyodor Dostoevsky.

>>130329367
Post the numbers then.

>>130329682
the west

>>130329773
>That's Fyodor Dostoevsky.

It's Anne Frank, shitlord

>>130329682
The West was built on top of Christian foundations. Sorry, but it's true.

The West is failing now because more and more people are becoming atheist.

Losing religion and succumbing to atheism is a sign of a dying nation, desu.

>>130330528
You still didn't define the West. Let's start with your country. It will be Latino very soon. Latinos are ardent Catholics. Is this something that makes you happy?

>>130329367
>>130330029
Between america, canada, europe, and australia, Christians comprise about 74% of the population. I think if anything, the link just proves Christians aren't idiots.

>>130330029
>I can't find 6 numbers.
Christians: 2.2 billion
Christians Nobel winners: 427
Atheists: 0.75 billion
Atheists Nobel winners: ~92 (unsure)
Jews: 0.14 milliion
Jewish Nobel winners: 197
(All populations are current day)

So thats 1:0.632:7.25 as a ratio.
Jews are 7 times more likely to get a nobel prize than a Christian. The atheist number is so low because Nobel prizes have given out for hundred years and atheism is just rising in last few decades (the Jewish and Christian populations haven't changed really at all). For example the population of atheists in 1900 when the award started would make the ratio: 1:2100:7.25.

If you don't believe me I can do a better analysis.

>>130332350
and new zealand*

>>130332350
See >>130332371

>>130332530
I did. It's irrelevant and you're an idiot.

>>130332599
>btfo by math
>well you're an idiot anyway!1
>mfw this is your brain on Christianity

>>130324513
It's incredible how both sides of the political spectrum have managed to just swing right back into religion. It's genuinely fucking incredible to me.

I don't think religion will ever die. I think people don't care about reality and want to believe whatever makes them feel good.

A society would have to be very intelligent to survive without religion and by the looks of things, humans are becoming less intelligent as the stupid breed more. Just look at where Christianity is growing - majority black or brown countries with average IQs below 90

>>130327001
>Hitchens
>Hates Totalitarianism
>Hates the Mob Mentality
>Decides to think for himself and be an individual which included cigs
>Ultimately paid the price for thinking for himself

better than you could ever do with your fedora memes.

>>130327659
"Believe in Heaven."

What the fuck does that even mean? It means a grown man thinks he's going to live forever.

FAG.

>>130328106
Yeah. That's basically what I said. Minus the last sentence which is just a strawman that you built.

>>130332371
Here's a slightly better analysis where we assume that populations have grown linearly between 1900 and 2000 for each religious demographic then taking average value.

Christians:Atheists:Jews
1:3.67:44.2
That is, you are 3.6 times more likely to get a Nobel prize being Atheist and 44.2 times more likely as a Jew (than a Christian).

This model overestimates Jews and underestimates Atheists as population has been exponential for Atheists, pretty much linear for Christians and weird for Jews (that whole Holocaust thing). Modelling populations as exponentials or just finding the real average over last 100 years will only make things look worse for Christians.

Meanwhile Muslims have 10 prize winners in total. Making them by far the worst in this area kek, don't even need to plug in the numbers

>>130334269
My wife's missionary-adopted African son says you should delete this.

We wish crusaders n shit

>>130332371
This is the sort of shit methodology that (if it had a narrative supporting finding) that would find its way into a headline on some mainstream news outlet.
Obviously you are working with numbers you just pulled off the Internet, but it doesn't even come close to capturing the reality of useful Nobel ratios. Which nations have the most prize winners, when, and what are there ratios?
It's useless to include Christian population from countries that never produced a prize winner because they wouldn't be part of the overall population. how many of the Nobel winners who are atheists are culturally or ethnically Jewish?
But the point is, news media runs with studies with shit methodology like this without a second thought.
Thanks for putting it together though. Your findings probably resemble a close approximation to the truth.

>>130334640
>we should exclude deeply Christian countries like Mexico and Poland from the overall pool because I said so

>>130330950
"Define the West" if you're not a retard, I won't have to.

Christian Foundations.

>Catholics

Catholics are corrupted. They are not Christian.

>>130335163
If you take out all the Christians that never won a Nobel prize then that means 100% of Christians won a Nobel prize.

>>130325101
this

>>130332350
That's just not fucking accurate.

Most people are atheists. Everyone knows this. 74% my ass. Hardly 1 in 10 people you will meet are Christian, and some of them are only "Christian" in how they were raised and don't necessarily believe in anything.

>>130333192
>anti traditionalist
>pro faggot
>self destructed

>>130335163
Catholics =/= real Christians

>>130333742
Except you never explained what it's a bad thing

>UR A FAGET

Brilliant

>>130334640
>This is the sort of shit methodology
For a slightly better one see >>130334269
>It's useless to include Christian population from countries that never produced a prize winner
This would make the analysis so biased. I think what you'd like is to control for socioeconomic factors rather than: discard stupid Christians they don't count. I imagine, again, this would make things worse for Christians as then the wealthy US Christians would be weighted lower than the reasonably wealthy atheist Europeans.
>how many of the Nobel winners who are atheists are culturally or ethnically Jewish?
Again, this would make the analysis so biased. By this logic we should count no atheists because nearly all atheists are first or second generation Christians, Jews or Muslims.

>>130335364
Dumbshit argument. Is a Latino USA The West?

>>130335735
Then who are? Israel Firsters aka Protestants? They're the youngest branch of Christianity

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>>130336086
The majority of latinos in the USA are not representative of the West, no. WTF is this? Reddit? Obviously fucking not. Seriously, I think reddit is for you.

>>130336177
If you believe in God and you read The Bible and you try to apply those moralistic values, then you are a Christian.

Catholics disregard The Bible and basically do their own thing. They are not true Christians.

>>130336630
The US will be a majority Latino country soon


If Catholics aren't Christian, feel free to consider all of Europe atheist
the Protestant countries in Europe (Northern Germany, UK, Scandinavia) are majority atheist. It's the Catholic South and East that still practices Christianity.

>>130336952
And the far European East with Orthodoxy of course.

>>130324513
>but if you literally believe you're going to heaven, then you're a fucking faggot.
Vast majority of Europeans from the last 1000 years believed they were going to heaven and the vast majority of them were straight. OP btfo.

>>130336952
Latinos are majority Catholic.

Whites are majority Atheist.

Latinos set to overtake the West and replace Whites.

I don't think you will see the problem here.

The UK whites are majority atheist as well, and they are set to be replaced with Islam.

Religion is power, my friend. Christianity was our shield. Do you think the Brits would have invited Islam to their doorsteps had they remained majority Christian?

You're a retarded fedora tipping atheist.

>>130326125
>no device was found
Well that's settled then. Unless they hid it, but that requires way more assumptions than the supernatural suddenly being real.

>>130326338
Doesn't this just prove how out-dated Christianity is, and how little it has to do with modern-day society? Roman soldiers aren't really bothering anyone these days.

>>130337348
a pretty shitty shield if it let you be replaced in your own country

>>130338102
Whites are majority atheist today, and are getting eaten up and swallowed up by Latino Catholics and Islamic Muslims.

It's not unrelated. Just like how pro-border Republicans are usually Christian, and retarded Leftist morons are always talking about coexisting (when in reality coexistence just means white genocide).

We need to bring back Christianity if we are to survive. You cannot fight Islam or the corrupted Catholic Church without an ideology of your own.

>>130324513
(1) fuck off leaf
(2) he would probably be less miserable if he allowed the light of our Savior the LORD Jesus Christ into his heart instead of being a Jew puppet.

>>130338380
You are a fucking moron and I would kill you myself.

Becoming atheist is what led the British to moronically invite Islam onto their doorsteps.

Do you not fucking see that it was Christianity that opposed Islam and that conflict is what kept to two separate?

The British cucked themselves by becoming atheist and then accepting Islam into their nation because, "It's just a religion. We had a religion too once, remember?" They didn't take it seriously anymore.

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>>130324513
I'm a bvible thumping flat earther that can use einstein to prove the earth is stationary.

fite me.

>>130324846
This
If it's the civil, neutered kind of religion, it probably does more good than bad. Problem usually comes down to people being convinced they're right about something based on a single book or story or idelogy/people who are convinced they're right about everything in general, got to watch them. Then again, you need people like that and it's probably because of them we've survived as a species etc, dunno

>>130338946
>le Islam meme
it didn't occur to you that if the West did not have retarded laws that give religions special status, Islam would have never been able to gain foothold?

>>130338640
You don't need a nearly equally retarded ideology to see how retarded islam is.

>>130340093
WIthout Christianity, the West wouldn't have existed.

Losing Christianity means good bye to Western values.

It literally does not matter what you say. This is what is happening. Atheist leftist scum are the ones chimping out for open borders and acceptance of Islam.

>>130340391
Atheism is probably the most retarded and self-destructive ideology of them all. Even Islam is higher than atheism, which is why Islam dominates weak atheist fucks.

We were thriving when we were majority Christians. We are losing now since we are majority atheist. It is that simple.

>>130341115
Are you retarded?

>>130341115
>we were thriving when we were majority Christians
>we are losing now since we are majority atheists
Sure, because that's the only thing that changed since then. Religion is just fantasy-larping. Enjoy it if you're into it, but don't expect people to take it seriously.

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religion is for control

>>130341327
Christians literally BTFO Islam for centuries.

Atheists today are literally clamoring over themselves to invite Islam and show everyone how accepting and tolerant they are...

All atheists must be killed.

>>130341694
religion sets out rules for the goodness and well being of your soul

do you think traffic laws are for control? fuck that, I'm an a-trafficlawtheist, I'm going to drive on the wrong side of the road at 200MPH.

>>130341600
You are retarded if you don't see the correlation. Keep being fucking atheist scum though. Atheism makes you a good goy.

>>130341872
got muh own rulz
Harm no one and their property
My word is my bond

driving a car and driving your life has the potential to kill
drive defensively

>>130341924
>illusory correlations are still correlations
>calling people good goys because their lives don't revolve around a dead jew on a stick
Great arguments, thank you.

>>130324513

Religion resists the nihilistic lure of post modernism which is decaying civilization in the west with its simple and pessimistic world view,

>>130342276
The second rule is redundant since breaking your word usually means harming others or their property.

>>130341115
Christcucks have had a boner for 3rd worlders for a long time

>>130341807
Are you retarded? Are you retarded?

1. Christianity is majority in every western nation. It's Christians that are controlling the government's that clamour for immigration, refugees and diversity. Just read one fucking statistic, you retard.
2. It's literally the cuckolded Christian doctrine that has been practised for decades that's all about helping the starving african kids, importing refugees and converting Africans. These Christians demand intervention overseas. These Christians demand funding go to Israel and a country bent around their God's chosen people's desires. In Australia, our negro population exists solely because of Christian missionaries. How anyone could ignore this is incredible.
3. The very logic that is so prominent in society that values faith and illogical and idiotic religious beliefs enables a religion like Islam to take over. Hitchens isn't capitulating to Muslims, it's all the Christians that demand religion be taken seriously. Religion holds a privileged and unquestioning position in the west because of Christians. Of course this paves way to a dominate religion sweeping in now that Christians are nothing but pathetic cuckolds
4. Modern Christians routinely go against their own doctrine because it's convenient in modern society. This is pretty how religion has operated for centuries - hence why crusades were a political move with religious doctrine second. All popular religions adapt and change to fit the society they're in. Your Christianity practised today is nothing like the historical Christianity.
5. Christianity is a semite religion made for the slave class of Roman civilization. It was made for peasants, the weak and the meek.

>>130341327

>Inconsequential
>Arbitrary
>redundant

Words used to describe Christianity's impact on the sciences and philosophical progression of the west up to 1890.

All of them are used by atheists to argue of a simple idea that religion is a scam that doesn't benefit anyone but the church,

Atheists dislike all Christians despite Calvinists and Lutherans being the most scam resistant to certain aspects of the catholic church and actually do nothing besides donate to their local church, which most likely just uses it to repair itself and feed the pastors.

>Atheism is mad about other peoples decisions


Atheism is a communistic opposite to religion,
since they believe that its black and white and there is no grey they fail to see that since there is no middle ground on the subject, they're just the opposite version of religion and protest the mirrored effect of it whilst doing everything opposite the religion tells them not to do.

Quite simply, you guys are counter religion culture based asshats hellbent on pushing your own world view onto an civilizational establishment religion simply because you're ego enjoys using logo's to deconstruct biblical references and stories when the main point of them is to dissuade you from doing stupid shit that has been recorded for 2 millennia.

You are more fucking degenerate than islam, and you passively let islam walk in and take everything on a whim. Because Atheism is overwhelmingly left wing and doesn't know how to deal with an alien conservative opposite.

That is an argument.

Did I say anything about Jesus?
Did I say anything about God?

No.

>>130342355
>>130343050

As long as whites keep being majority atheist, God will keep destroying them.

>>130343346
>all vegans throw buckets of blood on people who wear fur
I'm pretty sure atheism is just not believing in god(s).

>>130343395
Good thing I'm not white then. Which God are we talking about btw?

>>130343346
You're right. That is an argument.

A bad one, made by someone who is throwing around words they don't quite understand the meaning of. Obviously this idiot won't understand that being emotional and making arguments about how all atheists would be Christian if it weren't for their egos isn't a very good argument.

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>>130343738

Which came first, Atheism or religion?

Religion did, because logically speaking, Atheism is the result of religion and not vice versa,

Meaning that before religion in any aspect, people were Gnostic or Agnostic but not atheistic or religious.

Its a counterweight movement and clearly argues everything in a black in white manner, offering no middle ground, and thus implying that they are the exact opposite of religion and overtly biased against even what some philosophers would argue the best parts, (If there admittingly any at all)

Post Modernism doesn't work, it lures you into nihilistic pessimism and keeps you there for the rest of your life, you believe everything is inconsequential, arbitrary and redundant. That's why you hate religion, because religion argues for an absolute whilst rejecting the notion that there is no such thing as basic Truth.

>>130344283
Pretty sure everyone was an atheist before the first religion was invented. They were atheists without even knowing it. You can be an atheist without being aware of it because atheism is a lack of religion, not a reaction to it. Animals, plants and furniture are all atheist.

>>130344089

>Postmodernism, the post.

Actually it is, and that wasn't the entire argument about the ego, I implicate that they clearly advocate for being the exact opposition to religion meaning that they're not level headed right off the bat,

They never question what Atheism accomplishes nor do they actually question who it benefits, but they'll will coincidentally ask that question about anything they overtly despise so they can argue with it.

But they get pissed when someone says ironically, That their beliefs are just as redundant, arbitrary and inconsequential under the dogma of postmodernism.

As for your "You don't know what you're talking about"

I didn't realize a practical fedora lord professor actually spends time on a Mongolian knitting forum to bash religion when his worldview clearly dictates that everything is redundant inconsequential and arbitrary to begin with. You guys are fueled by emotion, just because certain aspect of religion are wrong, does not mean that you are correct.

You'll hide behind Plutarch and claim that the burden of proof is on anyone who believes at all, when ironically they're contradicting post modernisms provisions that clearly state that since everything is Inconsequential, redundant and arbitrary, it doesn't matter.

You spend hours and days arguing with religious zealots at the expense of time simply because you're angered and filled with emotion at the thought of someone who thinks differently from you, thus proving the earlier statement that atheism is nothing more than counter culture to religious traditionalism.

>>130344283
That's such a trivial point.

Technically, lack of belief in a god (atheism) probably came before belief in a god.

Why does this matter? It's like you're trying to paint your opponent as the edgy counter movement to the de facto standard and thus making them wrong.

>>130344870

Can't be atheist if someone doesn't make a claim.

Its like you don't know what a control group is in a scientific experiment.

>>130344929

Trivial, that's another word you guys use,

Those 4 words are the literal structure of your thesis, why does it matter?

because to me since you guys are counter opposite, you're not actually allowed to ask this question because of postmodernism, it completely defeats your inquisitive purpose to actually ask that question outright, its arbitrary, trivial, inconsequential and redundant right?

give me an actual rebuttal to my original statements and try not to use post modernism as a platform to refute it.

>>130344976
So how would you call a hypothetical human that goes about his business and doesn't believe in god, who has never come in contact with religion? Would he not be an atheist?

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>>130345361

Because logically, if you're going to use Plutarch as a model.

Everyone is either Gnostic or Agnostic simply because no one has made a claim and since there is no claim to reject their is no argument or justification otherwise to believe said position is correct and therefore have doubt.

>>130344906
1. Atheist does not mean anti-theist. If someone never cared about religion and does not care about a god they are atheist yet not in opposition to religion. Your implication is invalid.

2. Every single popular atheist I've ever heard from 'the amazing atheist' to Harris to Dawkins to Hitchens to myself has questioned the social significance of religion and meaning of life in an atheistic world. You're just ignorant on this point though and seem to believe this makes religion true...

3. Stop saying arbitrary, redundant and inconsequential. You retard. I don't even understand this point. Are you implying every atheist in nihilistic? Have you ever actually listened to one? I don't think nihilists disagree with the concept that ultimately everything is unknown.

4. I haven't discussed religion in about 3 years but apparently I talk about it every day now.

>>130342276
do you believe you should treat other people the way you would want to be treated?

thats pretty christian though.

TO THE unbelieving materialist, man is simply an evolutionary accident. His hopes of survival are strung on a figment of mortal imagination; his fears, loves, longings, and beliefs are but the reaction of the incidental juxtaposition of certain lifeless atoms of matter. No display of energy nor expression of trust can carry him beyond the grave. The devotional labors and inspirational genius of the best of men are doomed to be extinguished by death, the long and lonely night of eternal oblivion and soul extinction. Nameless despair is man's only reward for living and toiling under the temporal sun of mortal existence. Each day of life slowly and surely tightens the grasp of a pitiless doom which a hostile and relentless universe of matter has decreed shall be the crowning insult to everything in human desire which is beautiful, noble, lofty, and good.

>>130345518
Fair point, but you're still painting atheists into a corner and making them out to be edgy deviants. You're pretending all atheists actively oppose your beliefs while in reality most atheists just ignore them.

>>130345178
The lack of belief in a god is the natural state. That is the definition of atheism.

Christians like to just completely ignore the actual definition of atheism for some reason...

I think you're trying to sound smart or something? I just don't get your points.

>>130346050
>can't deal with the futility of existence
>pretends god exists to feel better
>feelings of superiority as a bonus
I genuinely envy you.

>>130345668

1) Actually it does, without a claim to argue and disprove or prove you cannot be atheist, so before there was religion there was gnostic and agnostic, you are clearly a response to religion.

2) >'the amazing atheist' to Harris to Dawkins to Hitchens to myself

>to myself

equating yourself to the 2 others is highly biased and also distastefully cringe-worthy, once again what you are saying is arguably futile simply because of what postmodernism dictates has and doesn't have value.

3) Ad Hominem, when all of those words are in an atheists thesis it points directly to Post Modernism. I'm arguing without using the bible or god, and I'm saying that post modernist overtly is incapable of keeping you from becoming nihilistic because of its pessimistic and simplistic world view that everything has a catch and there is no basic truth.

Little Ego in there too. >"to myself"

> I don't think nihilists disagree with the concept that ultimately everything is unknown.

Completely disagree here because their argument is exactly what post modernism is, "What's the point?" what they're talking about is ironically an axiom of logic they can attach themselves to give life meaning, since postmodernism has clearly robbed themselves of an absolute to reference and structure their life around, this is what atheists hate so much.

4) Irrelevant projection brought about by the conversation and merely an attempt to make it look like the rebuttal had more than 3 points.

You haven't even provided me with a rebuttal really, what are you guys doing to combat nihilism? Oh wait, you can't because post modernism doesn't allow you to do that.

>>130346117

They painted themselves in the corner when they argue in white and black. Do not try to generate sympathy for someone who has clearly chosen a side.

>>130346050
I think you would enjoy drug-induced hallucinations because apparently pretending something is real makes it real.

>>130346141

No its not, you can't claim that the natural state is doubt with credible evidence at all times because man is not all knowing and going off of Plutarch model you cannot say, that a claim that hasn't been made yet is justification for being atheist.

>>130346296
RELIGION achieves its highest social ministry when it has least connection with the secular institutions of society. In past ages, since social reforms were largely confined to the moral realms, religion did not have to adjust its attitude to extensive changes in economic and political systems. The chief problem of religion was the endeavor to replace evil with good within the existing social order of political and economic culture. Religion has thus indirectly tended to perpetuate the established order of society, to foster the maintenance of the existent type of civilization.

But religion should not be directly concerned either with the creation of new social orders or with the preservation of old ones. True religion does oppose violence as a technique of social evolution, but it does not oppose the intelligent efforts of society to adapt its usages and adjust its institutions to new economic conditions and cultural requirements.

Religion did approve the occasional social reforms of past centuries, but in the twentieth century it is of necessity called upon to face adjustment to extensive and continuing social reconstruction. Conditions of living alter so rapidly that institutional modifications must be greatly accelerated, and religion must accordingly quicken its adaptation to this new and ever-changing social order

>>130346589
>they argue in black and white
Like I said, most of ''them'' just ignore you. Maybe the existence of religion is what makes them atheists, but that's just semantics. If religion had not existed many aspects of their lives would have been largely the same.
>>130346814
>religion needs to quicken their adaptation
It won't be able to keep up though.

>>130346528
1. You don't understand the definition of atheism which I've stated a part of multiple times. Again, Christians just ignore this for some fucking reason

2. Continuing on with the theme of you not understanding language: the reason why I said myself was to point how vast the spectrum spans

3. Yes. I think atheism logically ultimately leads to nihilism.

Obviously, not all atheists are nihilists but I don't understand their arguments. Reading on, apparently you don't understand this. Incredible. You also believe that just asserting the religious belief as objective truth makes it so. Obviously.

4. Why would I combat nihilism? Are you retarded? It's depressing and confusing but facts don't care about your feelings.

>>130346714
No. There's no doubt. There's no belief. How don't you understand this?

I just came up with an entirely new belief that I'm not going to tell to you anything about. Now, would you say you doubt this belief? Are you in opposition to this belief? Or is this irrelevant to you and your belief in this is non-existent?

As long as majority whites keep being atheist, God will continue to destroy them.

>>130348104
Is he getting bored of killing all those devout niggers in African nations (many of the countries with the highest percentage of Christians)?

Is that how you want whites to end up?

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>>130347757

>Self Defined Atheism and ignores logical argument that states there is no argument without a claim

An atheist that rejects plutarchial logic.

Holy shit.

2)

3) Post modernism is arguably crap make something new and comeback then.

No. There's no doubt. There's no belief. How don't you understand this?

take Plutarch's logic of making a claim into account.

like the scientific method a control group only exists when it hasn't been effected by the topic in question.

That control group could of only existed before religion and it doesn't know unless for some reason a monk in the mountains was born and raised there for several years without other human contact.

Point being, since you just made said hypothetical belief I don't know is a phrase commonly known to be attributed to gnostics or agnostics. Because to know that you can disprove or to know that there is a god using faith or what have you, clearly isn't saying "I don't know" meaning there is doubt. If there's doubt they are clearly unsure and cannot claim to know whether or not god does or doesn't exist.

This is where I come in and say since you guys see it in black and white, and paint yourselves into a corner, its hard to say that atheism isn't anti-theist because the logic of its birth totally argues that it stemmed from religion and that's why some call it radical skepticism.

>>130348398
Most Africans practice Vodou magic, blood sacrifice, and cannibalism. That's why that country is a complete shit hole.

Haiti has recently started to reform and Christianity has began to spread. Incidentally crime goes down in those regions where Christianity is the widest spread.

As long as whites continue to be atheists, they will continue to regress.

Latinos and Muslims are getting a foothold in life because they are majority God worshippers.

Just connect the dots. Realize there is a God.

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>>130349845
>Africa
>that country

>>130350296
There is no helping you.

Enjoy your lot in hell.

>>130326338
Do you have anything like this for the whole/large segments of the NT? I've tried reading interpretations, but most are cucked beyond repair. Thanks.

>>130347757
>I just came up with an entirely new belief that I'm not going to tell to you anything about
does it explain why we have 2 fewer chromosomes than chimpanzees

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>>130350296

Have no waterfilters.

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>Not caring about making the world a better place because heaven is perfect anyway.
Just be a good goy and you can come to heaven.

>>130350489
We're already there, you just don't see it yet.

>>130351205
Hahaha, poor goyim. It gets MUCH worse than this.

>>130324513
I'm not even gonna go as far as saying that the atheists of classic /pol/ weren't aggressive, but they didn't parrot middle school arguments about atheism from Family Guy and Christopher "Fedora Lord" Hitchens. In addition, they weren't so hedonistic, unlike the new /r/the_donald atheists. I want those atheists back.

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>>130324513
Dude religion is nothing but an ancient psy-op/Mindcontrol tool. What could have been the true purpose of the Confession Booth?

I't was/is a honey pot used for intel gathering and potential black mail.

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>>130324838
>Proof for the resurrection of Jesus:
He never died. It was staged. The guards were bought (casting lots) for Jesus' fine linen clothing. Does that make sense? Why was he wearing fine linens to his execution? And wouldn't the family have kept Jesus' clothing instead of letting the guards roll for them? We know the guards were dirty and this smells like the family paid them off.

So Jesus gets to keep his clothes on during his "execution", including that wine skein of pig's blood under his shirt. What happens to blood when you remove it from a pig's body? It separates just like human blood. It happens to all stored blood, especially at room temperature The guard stabs that wineskin with a spear, oh look, blood and water. That makes sense and it fools onlookers.

Jesus' legs were NOT broken like the others and he was NOT left on his pike like the others (taken down the same day!)

Jesus took a drug like belladonna that simulates death in light doses. That's why he refused the myrrh and wine - it would have killed him. And it also slows respiration. Crucifixion is death by compression. You slowly asphyxiate because every exhale slides you down the pole a little. Lowering his respiration reduced the speed which he slide down the pole, extending his life.

Then they hustle him off to a brand new sepulcher that had been carved out of stone by his rich uncle who made his fortune smuggling people. Then they wait 3 days. Because even in the bible, everybody knows you have to wait 3 days to throw the pursuers off the trail.

>>130344283
>Religion did, because logically speaking, Atheism is the result of religion and not vice versa,
So the non-theists, at the point were religions were invented, became atheists?

>>130354689

Non theists do not exist until there is a claim that there is a god.

Plutarchial logic, it uses causality to explain the order in which things need to occur in order for it to exist.

Agnostic is not non-theists its a doubter just like a gnostic that doesn't know if they're internal beliefs are correct and thus isn't religion because they don't claim to know if they're beliefs are true.

>>130333192
>hates totalitarianism
>also a Marxist and admirer of Trotsky and Lenin
He was bluepilled and delusional

>>130324513

Hitchens, that's the guy who declared war on God and then shortly after died of cancer?

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Evil and Divinity exists.

t. It is written.

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>>130327933
>When Jew God lead your life you are easily saved by another.
What did schlomo mean by this?

>>130327657

So he went to Ethiopia?

>>130326676
Look back a little and see what has happened. Nineteen hundred years ago you were an innocent, carefree, pagan race. You worshiped countless gods and goddesses, the spirits of the air, of the running streams and of the woodland. You took unblushing pride in the glory of your naked bodies. You carved images of your gods and of the tantalizing human figure. You delighted in the combats of the field, the arena and the battle-ground. War and slavery were fixed institutions in your systems. Disporting yourselves on the hillsides and in the valleys of the great outdoors, you took to speculating on the wonder and mystery of life and laid the foundations of natural science and philosophy. Yours was a noble, sensual culture, unirked by the prickings of a social conscience or by any sentimental questionings about human equality. Who knows what great and glorious destiny might have been yours if we had left you alone.

But we did not leave you alone. We took you in hand and pulled down the beautiful and generous structure you had reared, and changed the whole course of your history. We conquered you as no empire of yours ever subjugated Africa or Asia. And we did it all without armies, without bullets, without blood or turmoil, without force of any kind. We did it solely by the irresistible might of our spirit, with ideas, with propaganda.

We made you the willing and unconscious bearers of our mission to the whole world, to the barbarous races of the earth, to the countless unborn generations. Without fully understanding what we were doing to you, you became the agents at large of our racial tradition, carrying our gospel to the unexplored ends of the earth.

>>130357197
Our tribal customs have become the core of your moral code. Our tribal laws have furnished the basic groundwork of all your august constitutions and legal systems. Our legends and our folk-tales are the sacred lore which you croon to your infants. Our poets have filled your hymnals and your prayer-books. Our national history has become an indispensable part of the learning of your pastors and priests and scholars. Our kings, our statesmen, our prophets, our warriors are your heroes. Our ancient little country is your Holy Land. Our national literature is your Holy Bible. What our people thought and taught has become inextricably woven into your very speech and tradition, until no one among you can be called educated who is not familiar with our racial heritage.

>>130324513
THE PAGAN EUROPEAN CAUCASIAN ARYAN MAN BORN AGAIN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=106S9ZpNDNA

>>130328384

And those jewish atheists are taking over the world. They don't believe in your mythical heaven. They want power here in the real world.

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>>130357197

>This isn't is copy pasta

>>130357218
Jewish artisans and Jewish fishermen are your teachers and your saints, with countless statues carved in their image and innumerable cathedrals raised to their memories. A Jewish maiden is your ideal of motherhood and womanhood. A Jewish rebel-prophet is the central figure in your religious worship. We have pulled down your idols, cast aside your racial inheritance, and substituted for them our God and our traditions. No conquest in history can even remotely compare with this clean sweep of our conquest over you.

How did we do it? Almost by accident. Two thousand years ago nearly, in far-off Palestine, our religion had fallen into decay and materialism. Money-changers were in possession of the temple. Degenerate, selfish priests mulcted our people and grew fat. Then a young patriot-idealist arose and went about the land calling for a revival of faith. He had no thought of setting up a new church. Like all the prophets before him, his only aim was to purify and revitalize the old creed. He attacked the priests and drove the money-changers from the temple. This brought him into conflict with the established order and its supporting pillars. The Roman authorities, who were in occupation of the country, fearing his revolutionary agitation as a political effort to oust them, arrested him, tried him and condemned him to death by crucifixion, a common form of execution at that time.

The followers of Jesus of Nazareth, mainly slaves and poor workmen, in their bereavement and disappointment, turned away from the world and formed themselves into a brotherhood of pacifist non-resisters, sharing the memory of their crucified leader and living together communistically. They were merely a new sect in Judea, without power or consequence, neither the first nor the last.

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>>130357489

>>130343258

Amen, bro.

>>130357489
Only after the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans did the new creed come into prominence. Then a patriotic Jew named Paul or Saul conceived the idea of humbling the Roman power by destroying the morale of its soldiery with the doctrines of love and non-resistance preached by the little sect of Jewish Christians. He became the Apostle to the Gentiles, he who hitherto had been one of the most active persecutors of the band. And so well did Paul do his work that within four centuries the great empire which had subjugated Palestine along with half of the world, was a heap of ruins. And the law which went forth from Zion became the official religion of Rome.

This was the beginning of our dominance in your world. But it was only a beginning. From this time forth your history is little more than a struggle for mastery between your own old pagan spirit and our Jewish spirit. Half your wars, great and little, are religious wars, fought over the interpretation of one thing or another in our teachings. You no sooner broke free from your primitive religious simplicity and attempted the practice of the pagan Roman learning than Luther armed with our gospels arose to down you and re-enthrone our heritage. Take the three principal revolutions in modern times—the French, the American and the Russian. What are they but the triumph of the Jewish idea of social, political and economic justice?

>>130354886
>Non theists do not exist until there is a claim that there is a god.
Not true. Non-theist means people without gods. They were the hominids superior evolutionary products. They may have had explanations for

After the gods were created we now have a distinction, believers and non-believers.

If there are no gods, then there can be no believers.

>>130357711
And the end is still a long way off. We still dominate you. At this very moment your churches are torn asunder by a civil war between Fundamentalists and Modernists, that is to say between those who cling to our teachings and traditions literally and those who are striving by slow steps to dispossess us. In Dayton, Tennessee, a Bible-bred community forbids the teaching of your science because it conflicts with our ancient Jewish account of the origin of life; and Mr. Bryan, the leader of the anti-Jewish Ku Klux Klan in the Democratic National Convention, makes the supreme fight of his life in our behalf, without noticing the contradiction. Again and again the Puritan heritage of Judea breaks out in waves of stage censorship, Sunday blue laws and national prohibition acts. And while these things are happening you twaddle about Jewish influence in the movies!

Is it any wonder you resent us? We have put a clog upon your progress. We have imposed upon you an alien book and an alien faith which you cannot swallow or digest, which is at cross-purposes with your native spirit, which keeps you ever-lastingly ill-at-ease, and which you lack the spirit either to reject or to accept in full.

>>130357975
In full, of course, you never have accepted our Christian teachings. In your hearts you still are pagans. You still love war and graven images and strife. You still take pride in the glory of the nude human figure. Your social conscience, in spite of all democracy and all your social revolutions, is still a pitifully imperfect thing. We have merely divided your soul, confused your impulses, paralyzed your desires. In the midst of battle you are obliged to kneel down to him who commanded you to turn the other cheek, who said "Resist not evil" and "Blessed are the peace-makers." In your lust for gain you are suddenly disturbed by a memory from your Sunday-school days about taking no thought for the morrow. In your industrial struggles, when you would smash a strike without compunction, you are suddenly reminded that the poor are blessed and that men are brothers in the Fatherhood of the Lord. And as you are about to yield to temptation, your Jewish training puts a deterrent hand on your shoulder and dashes the brimming cup from your lips. You Christians have never become Christianized. To that extent we have failed with you. But we have forever spoiled the fun of paganism for you.

>>130358237
So why should you not resent us? If we were in your place we should probably dislike you more cordially than you do us. But we should make no bones about telling you why. We should not resort to subterfuges and transparent pretexts. With millions of painfully respectable Jewish shopkeepers all about us we should not insult your intelligence and our own honesty by talking about communism as a Jewish philosophy. And with millions of hard-working impecunious Jewish peddlers and laborers we should not make ourselves ridiculous by talking about international capitalism as a Jewish monopoly. No, we should go straight to the point. We should contemplate this confused, ineffectual muddle which we call civilization, this half-Christian half-pagan medley, and—were our places reversed—we should say to you point-blank: "For this mess thanks to you, to your prophets and to your Bible."

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>>130357927

>If there are no gods, then there can be no believers.

Making the claim that there is a god, and then saying there is no god......

you have to wait for someone to make the dammed claim. Causally speaking, you have to wait until they make the claim.

Theism, doesn't exist until someone decides to speak openly about it. Because its a manifest of mind.