Why do imports dominate the US?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMHBge6b_fA

>>130317865
american cars are too shit

>>130318358
This is literaly true in my case. Cheap, reliable hoonboxes.

I don't know why I'd go American except for a cheap rolling couch, a truck, or if I were a thorough poorfag.

>>130317865
US luxury makers keep trying to make their cars unique and stylish but they turn out butt fucking ugly. See Cadillac and Lincoln. Cadillac ATS is the only one I think looks half decent.

Lincoln makes good looking SUVs though.

>>130317865

Because the American car industry is a fucking joke and a corpse reanimated by our government that doesn't believe in capitalism.

Even before that though they were failing miserably. If you want economy/value you go with Japanese cars, if you want luxury, probably European.

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>>130318891
>Cadillac ATS
Looks like shit designed by a 12 year old

>>130319262
This shit looks like cheap VW Passat knock off with ugly front.

>>130319379
Yeah the design in particular of US cars for quite a while almost makes you want to peel your face off for how bad it is most of the time. I don't know what's wrong with them.

Seems like they're starting to get a little better with that at least.

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>>130319262
>Posting pre facelift

>>130320271
Still looks ugly.

Your cars are like your women.
Born ugly.
Spend thousands on plastic surgery.
And still look butugly.

>>130317865
>Be British
>Police can't afford to keep paying for damages to their £40,000 cars so they're very very reluctant to crash into anyone (hence the rolling stop)
>Go to America
>Police cars literally dumped on the side of the road because they're cheap useless pieces of shit that are easily replaced

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>>130320764
>Mfw Poland has no auto industry

Because only dindus buy American luxury.

>>130320982
Who ever thought Cadillac would go from the brand of the successful white man to the dindu blang of choice?

Because there isn't a good mass market US Sportbike company.

>>130317865
Because America has a lot of wealth coming from other sectors, like alcohol, coal, and other technologies. A large wealth means a powerful dollar means more imports since they are cheap compared to local economies. Thus, the USA imports quite a bit.

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>>130320764
New Lincoln looks semi decent.
But it's only because it copied the looks of German cars

>>130320963
>pooland
>industry
The industries in poland are cheap whores and cheap labor

>>130317865
Because only 5-6 cars are actually manufactured in the USA. Even "American cars" are mostly imports.

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>>130321159
>Copied the looks of the Germans

Where do you see German in this? It is influenced heavily by the mks which has influenced by the town car

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>>130321359
Trying hard to be BMW, and failing

>>130321159
>copied the looks of German
yeah, no shit... thats a 7'er
>from about 8 years ago.

>>130319722
>I don't know what's wrong with them.
Americans are overgrown children with no real culture, so their designs for everything look like they came from a cartoon.

>>130321496
>BMW invented flat body panels

>>130321359
Looks sort of like a Volkswagen desu

>>130317865
I had a 330i E46 in high school. The car was solid as fuck. Nothing rattled when you hit bumps, the inside was designed like a cockpit, molded to the driver. American cars in the price point of German cars are often shit. Like sofas on wheels. No tactile road feel from the steering wheel. With the BMW I could tell what the surface of the road was like based on the feel. Unlike American cars, the front tires were very far forward, not tucked way behind the front of the hood. The leather was thick and didn't crack like every American cars nasty poofy leather. You just can't beat the feel of the experience without buying a modern muscle car priced well above $35k.

American cars under $35k are or were unresponsive pieces of garbage that often blow transmissions at 60k miles.

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>>130317865
This looks like a Volkswagen Phaeton (basically a Luxury Passat)

>>130321743

Call me when you design a car like this, interior, exterior, features etc..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si8ymUo4Y4E

Every American car company is owned by Jews who put profit over quality

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>>130321885
Ok

Most Hondas and Toyotas are probably built in the USA anyway. Cheap, reliable, easy to replace parts and fix anywhere. Why buy American brands when there's virtually no difference in service, but the cars are worse?

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>>130317865
My truck was made in San Antonio. While I know SA might as well be Mexico, it's still technically the USA.

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>>130321359
Yeah, but do you remember these?

>>130317865
Better, more efficient cars built in countries that actually have strict standards about the build while American companies build their cars to last ~5 or so years till it breaks down, forcing you to buy another car which = more money for motor companies

I drive a 2014 lexus is and I'm probably never gonna go back to American cars. Feels good man.

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Just wait till Chinese cars arrive.

>>130321994
Design, build, and sell it as much the Benz is selling.

This a meme Silicon Valley masturbation car

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>>130322495
People are going to gobble that shit up just to say you ain't up on this.

>>130317865
Because GM and FCA products are trash-tier. Would never own a Ford, but at least they are worthwhile purchases.

>>130317865
OK, now the real answer: unions.

>>130322697
GM and Chrysler were coincidentally the 2/3 American auto makers who required government bailout money to stay afloat.

Shit business practices, shit products.

>>130322653
Is Tesla profitable yet?

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I own one of those coopers. Did I do good?

>>130323010
LMAO no, but richfags buy things just because exclusivitylol.

>>130323040
Not even Italians want to drive the Fiat 500.

>>130323226
I've rented a Fiat 500 for two weeks on holiday once.

As a holiday car it was pretty nice to be honest family.
Although the interior materials were utter shit.

>>130323226
I wouldn't mind an Abarth 500 (160HP) but the regular 500 is way too faggy.
Abarth costs as much as a Mini Cooper and doesn't offer that much space and handling.

>>130323226
You're italian and you do.

>>130323498
Abarth has a wonderful exhaust note.

Do you not have the 500X and the other models in Europe? More cargo space etc. What happened to the Panda?

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>>130317865

how can american cars even compete?

>>130321994
That car looks like garbage dude. Just reinforces my point that Americans can only produce designs out of cartoons.

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>>130322405
>mfw I 'member when Hyundai started selling in canada
>I remember when my neighbor could buy 2 Pony's for the price of one. I think they went for 3,000 big bucks in it's day
>I remember when one of them broke down after a year; it stayed in the drive way for a long time.
>Now Hyundai is make almost decent cars.
Chinese cars will eventually come.

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because same reason people like girls from other countries.
exotic and think its cool.

The thought: A Mercedes is built by Hanz Guntercock. A 7 foot tall german god.
In reality its a average joe.

with American cars the thought and reality are the same thing. Your car is built by a black guy, Mexican or a LEAF. Who wants that?

You are buying the fantasy.

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>>130323654
Yes we have, the renegade and the 500x are produced here in in italy too.
FCA tried to import the dodge journey between 2011 and 2016 rebranding it with the badge "FIAT freemont.
Panda still exists, but it's larger than the legacy model, it's still quite popular due to its high economy and low maintaince costs.

>>130322126
Well foreign militaries and United Nations prefer Japanese cars like the Toyota Land Cruiser

Also, in an Apocalyptic Setting, having a Japanese car is better because you have a higher chance or successfully scavenging for car parts from abandoned cars.

For example, say you have a Camry after the world ended and you managed to survive. Chances are you can find an abandoned Camry nearby your location as opposed to a abandoned Cadillac.

>>130324016
Ah, okay! Thanks for the insight. Well I hope you're enjoying the Mini. Recommend them pretty often but most people I speak to think the styling is feminine, gay, or for old people.
Fucking auto-plebs.

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Axis powers make better cars. They've been doing it longer than anyone else.

Germany > Japan > Italy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> British Cars > American Cars

>>130321845
>basically a Luxury Passat
Then what is the CC?

>>130323663

>Cuckbox

You probably don't know that Smart is the most popular car in Rome because of the small size. Romans are quite retarded too and don't like to drive, as they turn their car into travelling wreckages in a few years.

>>130324361
U.S. SF widely use the Hilux and Land Cruiser as well.

The only good american cars are pickups and classic muscle cars.

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>>130323040
>not showing lamborghini or ferrari

Italian cars are second best in Europe.
Their engineering is shit, but design is amazing. Not even Germans can match it. Pretty much the best car designers in the world.

>>130324471
He's dumb. Phaeton would be equivalent to an A8, or 7-Series.

CC is the A7 to VW's A6 (Passat.)

>>130324598
Anyone can make a supercar.

But this is a board for grown-ups.

>>130320271
>>130319262
this is a black person car, only ever see black people driving them crazy aggressively

>>130324598
That's why the Zonda is so insane. Italian styling with an AMG powerplant.

>>130317865
because corporate lazyness and unions created a situation where american products become lower quality and higher priced all while avoiding the need to pay to innovate...as most of that money goes to the very top and the union workers who are too lazy to put things together properly and efficiently.

America does fine with ultra high end products where the price of labor and development is justified however. Just we cant be owners of the bottom end cheap mass produced items when you need to pay a guy $75k a year to screw in bolts all day when a chinese slave will do it twice as fast for $500 a year.

>>130324542
>classic muscle cars.

Don't they have leaf springs and shit?

....come to think of it that's probably why you like them.

>>130324407
The latest model is more masculine than the previous model and has more room too, it feels like driving a proper car.
If I were in the US I would have probably bought an american made car.

>>130321885
looks like literal shit.

like after a night of drinking, it looks like something that would slide out of your ass.

>>130317865
What imports?

Americans mostly buy US or Japanese cars, and both are made either in the US or in Mexico.

That's hardly importing anything.

>>130323844

Hyundais were good around the 2002-2008 years. I don't like how they look now, but they're probably decent enough.

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>>130317865
how can burgers even compete?

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>>130317865
i wish US cars were cheaper

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Well Ok, bongs can make decent luxury cars too, but needed German engineering to make them work again

>>130317865
Because USA is the biggest consumer economy in the world.

>>130324598

>Engineering is shit

I won't say that about ferrari, they are pretty reliable recently. The statement is true if you talk about the general models, but I feel that the quality is slowly going up.

>>130325092
>yfw the UK needed Germany to re-engineer both its most renowned automobile manufacturer, as well as its domestically produced service rifle to make them not total shit.

>>130324819
Its so true that black people are the most agressive drivers out there. Weaving in and out of traffic, holding up the line, playing loud music not giving a fuck.
The other day I got stuck behind two cars on a two lane street. Both drivers black. They just rolled at 5mph in a 40mph area talking to each other for literally 3-4 minutes holding up a huge long line of people behind them.

>>130317865
your stupid. gm and ford have the two highest market shares in our country. there are only two domestically owned car companies though. think of how many foreign car companies are also represented...lots....

>>130325053
I own an e46 m3. I love it.

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>>130325053
by being faster for less money

>>130325426
M235i here. 2-door compact inline-6 Bavarian master-race.

>>130318358
nice, unrelated to op, but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRWp9rhfS_0

>>130325438
Last I checked, nobody bought that piece of junk which was rebranded twice, and is now out of production.

>>130317865

Uh, because aside from things like the new Camaro, they get spanked.

I CANNOT FUCKING WAIT FOR MY RS3 TO GET DELIVERED. HURRY SEPTEMBER!!!!!

>>130325343
>Weaving in and out of traffic

Why does that trigger Americans so much?

In Europe it's standard.

>>130324772
You obviously can't, tulip fucker

>>130325426
>>130325532
spot daddy's money

bmw's are for indian immigrants and hispanics who graduate out of their WRX phase

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>>130317865
WTF are you talking about?
Grow the fuck up, stop being a butt fucking fagboy, and get a truck, you little 2 fast 2 furious 2 gay fag.
If you had a girlfriend I'd go fuck her just to show you what a bitch you are.

>>130317865
Because aside certain models like Mustang and Corvette American card are not aspirational things.

It's as simple as that, even though many people can find other justifications such as quality and design. It all boils down to prestige. That's why a Hyundai Equus will never threaten Mercedes.

Also, the value proposition of the Japansese makers is far superior in most cases. Can't go wrong with an Accord.

>>130325682
Same reason that people get assblasted when you try to pass them, and speed up to prevent it.

Absolute shit drivers education.

>>130325438

Are we talking nurburgring times? Cause if not...plenty of shit will walk a viper. *Actually really like it for sticking with stick / not being easy mode.

>>130325532

Yeah, the same getting too old N54/N55 dog shit. No thanks.

But that M2 CS tho. Yes, please.

>>130325738
Spot butthurt poorfag.

Last car was indeed a WRX though, so good job. Maybe one day you'll outgrow that 2004 Civic.

>>130325619
It baffles me that the Isle of Man TT is still a thing in 2017.

Aren't the island inhabitants sick of scraping the remains of dead bikers off their walls and pavements?

>>130325823
>plenty of shit will walk a viper

find me something that will of the same model year and same price that isn't a corvette.

>>130325343

Had to pass a nigger on the shoulder yesterday who was going 10 under. If you are going to be black and drive slow, please get in the fucking right lane.

>>130325438
That rattly trash box? Its fun. For about 30 minutes then youre worn out likethe manual laborfag you are.

>>130318891

WHY WON'T THEY RELEASE A VERSION OF THE ATS WITH A FUCKING MANUAL AND V8.

Leave boosted motors to the Euros, please.

>>130325286
True, Ferrari is pretty decent, pretty much on par with German.

>>130321159
Looks very Jaguar influenced to me.

>>130326038
>GTR Nismo

Isn't Lexus doing really well in Europe these days?

>>130326033
lol, no

>>130326284
Jaguar meets BMW

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>>130324642
A Passat uses the A4 frame, there is no A6/A7 platform based VW. The phaeton did use the Audi A8 frame. You're only a half retard

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>>130326284
It was Lincoln's grill before jaguars

>>130326409
Lexus is close to nothing in sales.
Infinity is in the same situation.
Acura doesn't even exist here.

>>130326284
It's a total rip on the new jaguar estate cars.
>t. I sell Land Rovers and BMW's

Get a truck and quit acting like a bunch of blue pilled faggots who think your car is going to get you laid.

>>but I wanna go fast

Then buy a fucking motorcycle

>>130325738
You think an e46 requires Daddy's money? So...how big of a loser are you...?

>>130326516
>He uses yotsuba instead of tommorow

No wonder you have poor taste

>>130326606
thats because socialism destroyed all your wealth and no one can afford those cars.

>>130326516

>He owns an audi

Good job (unironically), is it an A5?

>>130325931
Oh BOY we found one. Let's go:

>Had a monster energy phase where you wore your black flat brim everywhere (sometimes you still do)
>first car was a japanese shit box
>eek by in high school, parents relieved so they lease you a WRX
>pick up vaping (spent no less than $300 on attachments)
>eek by in college again (bullshit Community college), parents combine grandpa's inheritance with your minimal savings to go in 80/20 on an 235i.
>basically elliot rodger, you think your car makes people like you
>pretend to be a car enthusiast because you lack any hobbies

>shitpost because your bumblefuck degree is worth nothing and you're 15k in debt. But hey, at least you have a bmw.

How am i doing?

>>130317865
Why does your mom dominate the hooker market?

>>130317865
"Free" trade, VAT, and exporting of jobs.

Do you even read the news?

>>130326845
Not really, they just drive like shit and the design isn't very popular.
You will see plenty of german cars but nothing coming from japan in that range of price.

>>130317865

Because the Germans and japs do everything better than Detroit, with a few exceptions of GMs sports cars, and some cool FWD Turner oriented cars from Ford.

Go watch the 24 hours of le mans which is live right now to see American performance at the highest level. But for daily drivers and street/track oriented performance cars, the Germans and japs do everything so much better. And American (((luxury))) is a joke.

>>130326890
It's an A4, I need a sedan as I have to drive clients sometimes. A5s look great, but I can't have a 2 door as my primary vehicle

>>130326788
the only people who idolize those cars are below the age of 22 and hispanic.

The only hispanics who can afford those cars below the age of 22 have daddy's money.

>>130327118
Were you molested by a BMW as a child or something?

>>130317865
I drove my Honda Accord to 460,000 miles, then sold it to a Honda mechanic.

I don't think a Dodge would have lasted so long.

>>130318584
> cheap
>reliable
>hoon boxes

You talking about euro or jap cars?

>>130317865
Because of memes basically. Many people still believe in shit like "German engineering".

>>130327034
Consumer satisfaction surveys for luxury car owners place Lexus above most European luxury car brands though.

>>130317865
affirmative action/diversity quota hiring and greed has killed American manufacturing. Hard to compete with one hand tied behind your back

>>130321814

Tfw tuned 330xi E46

>>130327474
Jap

Better steering feel than it deserved, too. No power steering. Just a light piece of crap that happened to be set up so it had good driver feel. Sucks that you have to pay money for a fancy car now to get that kind of not-numbness.

>>130327643
also shitty American educational system

>>130327557
Lexus makes faggot cars. Driven by faggots.

>>130327698
What jap car? A miata?

USA cars waste too much gas for some fucking reason, besides that, I don't see any other real difference between their cars and others. One of my neighbors recently bought a Chevrolet and that think burns gas even when its off, fucking bullshit.

>I own a Tacoma btw, only car I ever had

>>130327941

poorfag worrying about gas milage

>>130327822
Mazda 323

1.5L and 75HP of fury. It was so much better than it deserved to be. Got it almost to 90MPH one time on a big downhill and thought I was going to die for sure when I hit the curve at the end of it.

>>130317865
>be german
>accustomed to german cars
>friend's father gets a chevy
>mfw this fucking thing is made all out of plastic
americars are degenerate

>>130328075
When you drive in the mountains or desert, gas mileage is an important thing.

Also, I guess for people who chase tornadoes for a living or e-peen.

>>130321845
A BIG Passat

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the life span of american cars was about 100,000 miles. most never made it. i've had several toyotas that had over 350,000 miles when i sold them. for the money, quality, dependability, the toyota camry is probably the best car in the world

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here goofus.....

>>130327240
No I went to school with mexicans.
The pecking order for them is as follows:

>accord/civic
many don't graduate out of this phase. Those who don't pine until they can't take it any longer and install fart can exhaust, then lower their car. All bets are off at this point, they will continue to shit all over their cars, if you don't like it- you "aren't an enthusiast".

>WRX
this car was posted on your wall as a boy. you coveted it for a long time because the richest guy on your bloc (bus driver named Juan) owned one. You swore you'd buy one. These are ALWAYS leased and never bought. Installing aftermarket exhaust would violate the lease, so you stick to plastering it in "illest" stickers.

>BMW M Sport
The golden chariot of minimum wage workers. You've spent countless hours stroking the flat brim of your monster energy hat scrolling through instagram liking every M sport picture you see. Then the impossible happens: abuela dies of a coronary. You're left 10k, just enough for a down payment on a new m3. Thank hayzeus. You anxiously puff your vape as await delivery. The last of your money goes toward blacking it out. Life fulfilled , you've made it. You will spend the rest of your years posting 1 pic a day of your car. Until finally, you wrap it around a tree.

>>130328075
>hur dur I have so much money Ill just burn it lol

Literally a poorfag mentality. Having money and knowing how to use it are to different things.

>>130324503

Which is why Isis uses the Toyota Hilux and land cruiser. CIA funds isis with the same equipment that American operators use

They are great vehicles. Jap tucks and SUVs are top tier.

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>>130328707
hmm

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>Euro luxury cars are nice
>but are usually junk

>>130324598

Ferrari and Lamborghini make expensive as fuck high performance sports and supercars . Alfa Romeo is shit tier and always has been. Decent racing pedigree but their street vehicles are unreliable and as hell

Are car dealers in Europe just as annoying and scummy as American car dealers or can you buy cars directly from the car manufacturer in Europe?

Does anyone wish car dealers would just go away and be replaced by the car manufacturer instead?

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>>130325053

>Not posting the classic e30 m3

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>2017 buying american cars
KEK

>>130329445
You know how you can eliminate all the car dealership BS? Pay sticker. Since that's what you'd be paying without them. Amazing how retards don't realize this

>>130329006
snot jew.
my sisters family are a bunch of union libs that buy nothing but gm or ford. they trade almost yearly because the cars are crap while i keep rolling in my toyota for years.

i did a few tours in asscrackistan, they drove toyota cars every fucking where. any place we could take a hummer they could tale a toyota. mountain roads, dry river beds, goat trails, it didn't matter.
the jews probably drive bmw or Mercedes

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>>130317865
unions. unions everywhere

>>130328900

I like cars. It is something I'm willing to waste money on. Sure, if you don't like cars, I could see being concerned with getting the best milage possible. If that is you, is there a reason you're replying to a thread about cars?...

And, uh, I do know how to put my money to work. If you would like we could post up pictures of our brokerage accounts to compare.

>>130329738
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/05/mustang-sells-well-europe-us-automakers-dont-get/

the waiting list in switzerland is over 2 years

>>130317865
Because the whole "MPG's and being a faggot are way cooler than not being a faggot and driving a V8 killing machine" Jewery and weeb culture.

>>130329738

That pic should be the reply to when the M3 got spanked by the new Camaro.

Fucking KEK indeed.

>>130323040
Are you a homosexualist?

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>>130325053
Performance-wise?

>>130330457

If he is looking for a compact car, he could do a lot worse than a Mini.

>>130330485

Doing God's work.

>>130327317

I sold my honda accord with 300k for $2000

everything worked

a ford Taurus of the same era with half the mileage is worth $500

>>130329965
>asscrackistan, they drove toyota cars every fucking where

So why would you buy a toyota?

>>130329756

Paying sticker is literally the best goy thing you could ever do. Have you ever heard of invoice price? Unless you're buying a Dodge demon or Ford GT there's literally never a reason to pay sticker for anything

>>130330589

Old Tarus SHO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any accord offered in the US at the time

>>130330060
I like cars, trucks to be specific, and Im discussing gas millage and gas price because, believe it or not, thats an important part of having a car. Its not an issue of how much money do you have or not, its simply a basic issue regarding USA cars, they waste to much gas, and if you are buying a car and compare two cars, one Japanese and one American, and the only relevant difference between them is that the Japanese car manages gas better, then you should pick it instead of the American car with inferior gas management.

>m-muh money
>and, uh

Nigger, who gives a shit if you have money to waste on gas for an American car? Its simply stupid if you can have an equivalent car and invest less on gas.

Bmw 740i masterrace

>>130323010
They need to sell to Toyota or Honda, either can is Japanese work ethic to make it 10x better and then implement it affordably and efficiently.

>>130317865
>Toyota tundra
>designed, engineered and built in the U.S.
>"import"....

>>130330708

How many sho Tauruses do you see on the road these days? None. They're not collectable or aesthetic.

>>130330738
>Im discussing gas millage and gas price because, believe it or not, thats an important part of having a car. Its not an issue of how much money do you have or not, its simply a basic issue regarding USA cars, they waste to much gas, and if you are buying a car and compare two cars, one Japanese and one American, and the only relevant difference between them is that the Japanese car manages gas better, then you should pick it instead of the American car with inferior gas management.

I like small cars, so if I want something that isn't slow as shit, I'd have to look outside America.

I drive a lot and have a long commute to work. Put about 36k miles on my car in less than two years. The money saved by switching to a Prius wouldn't be worth thinking about. It is not important. At all.

The gas is wasted on German cars.

Are you one of those faggot truck drivers who refuse to move out of the left lane even though you are holding up traffic?

>>130322204
Loved it. Got to lease one in high school because I got my moms corporate lease deal through Ford. Came out to $328 per month.

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>>130326891
Haha you forgot

"75 degrees out and I'm stuck in traffic"

>>gotta make sure I get that BMW logo in the pic

>>130330667
And then compare that to gas and maintenance costs. Maybe I've just only gone to dealers who aren't utter pricks, but in my experience, go in, know something about what it should cost, agree to knock whatever off the asking price, wait for him to check with the manager, and drive it home.

Most of the time they're looking to move inventory, sometimes even at a minor loss.

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>>130330589
>>130330708
Mine was like this, same color.
I'm looking for another one now, saw one on ebay with 11k miles, went too high for me.

>>130317865
because globalism

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Call me when America makes this.
Shame that the 22B never made it to burgerstan and wasn't produced in huge numbers.

>>130332911

Are we allowed to use the RS cars Ford built that we didn't get?

>>130333093
Post examples.

>>130326124
EPA and their bullshit CAFE standards

>>130326124
Why not a V8 with boost?

>>130330588
ur darn right,
LS SWAP THE WORLD!

>>130328819
Can confirm, since HS (circa 1st FF movie) I've seen this love 4 these little fagged out ricers, it seems it's gotten worse w/ the "negative camber" BS. When I see these on the road, I just wish I can call an air strike on those POS.
Beamers are nice though but too high maintenance.

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>>130333651
>BMW
>Nice
*tips coffee*

>>130317865
Because America, like Britain, does not manufacture trade goods.

In fact they export much more than they import, but this export are financial services and entrepreneurship which are mostly done within the nation.

Plus, American and British firms outsource their manufacturing to places like China and India, hence they're typically accredited with the exports.

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>>130330485
>Hennessey

>>130334266
>Heard those stories too
>both OE
>It'd still B the same outcome vs M6
>just less severe

>>130321159
HURR IT COPIED THE GERMAN CAR
THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME
>fuck off