Muh $15 minimum wage will kill all restaurants!

>>130297096
>implying

>eating in restaurants
>eating food prepared by niggers
Nope

The irony is that making 15+ dollars an hour is the difference between being able to eat at those restaurants. Old school American business owners used to respect the fact that their own employees should be able to afford the services they provide, or what the fuck is the point.

>>130297096
>people carrying around food
>get tipped along with the wage
>be filthy rich

>wash dishes
>get paid peanuts
>get a skin disease on your hands from having your hands constantly wet

>>130297510
The niggers we do have in our country never work at proper restaurants, and even fast food is rare.
Tastes good man.
But this thread is stupid. Each country has to do what's best by its citizens.

>>130297096
>Minimum wage around there is something like $23

Liar, its about $16

>>130297689
Ah, meant to turn australian flag back on

>>130297510
jesus christ u fucking autistic edgelords need to give it a rest

>eating food cooked by other people
absolutely cucked mate.

>>130297663
Tipping is retarded and always has been

The $15 minimum wage crowd needs to make a choice. Advocate the complete removal of tipping and have your $15, or give up and go home.

They can't have both. Anyone who wants both gets no sympathy from us.

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>>130297096
THIS KILLS THE RIGHT WING RETARD BILLIONAIRE GLOBALIST SHILLKEK.

REMEMBER, CHILDREN. CONSERVATIVES ALWAYS FIGHT AGAINST HIGHER WAGES FOR WORKERS. ALWAYS.

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>>130297096
The whole point of a minimum wage is to inspire folks to make more of themselves, to get a better job with better money.
To improve their situation, their lot in life. If the minimum becomes liveable people will be content with flipping burgers all their lives - as a species we are inherently lazy and we need pushing.
Can you see this?

>>130297096
Look at the photo. Do you see any young people?
Boomers sustain the restaurant industry, esp in Australia.
In fact man cafes deliberately charge $17 per sandwich to cater exclusively to boomers, and keep young people away.

>>130298108
Actually the entire point of the minimum wage is to provide a living wage for workers. Nobody who works full time should live in poverty. I understand that (((pol))) exists to serve Mr. Shekelstein but holy shit u right wing retards need to uncuck yourselves

>>130298048
That's because a record number of people dropped out of the workforce.

You're celebrating the fact that they stopped looking for jobs and are now going to go on welfare or wind up homeless. Congratulations.

>>130297096
How much for a Garden Salad on average?

>>130298048
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2017/04/05/seattles-2-9-unemployment-rate-tells-us-nothing-about-the-effects-of-seattles-minimum-wage-rise/#1cc2483568b8

How many more years of your life are going to pass before you google "supply and demand" at least once?

>>130298589
Let's archive that
https://archive.is/BijZa

>>130298363
I've never worked minimum wage in my life, not even when I was working while in highschool. Not my fault you're worse than a nigger.

>>130297096
In burgerland, we have machines that will replace most fast food workers.

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>>130298048
Grampa you're yelling again.

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>>130298568
>That's because a record number of people dropped out of the workforce.

No it isn't. Employment boomed. You right wing retards are so fucking mentally handicapped, you don't know that when unemployed get jobs, the unemployment rate goes down.

Do u retards have any fucking grasp of how strong the labor market is at 2.8% unemployment?

I honestly cannot believe that people as retarded as you actually exist.

>>130298048

Its truely sad that faggots like you are employed to try to subvert the only unsubvertable board online. Our secret discord groups have your stuff. You decided to join this battlefield.

>>130298568
<citation needed>

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>>130298589
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHHA you right wing retards always love posting your billionaire globalist heroes who fight against higher wages for workers.

God I love exposing u right wing retards for what you are.

Tim Worstall? The guy who said when unemployment was 4.2% that it would go up and got btfo?

2014:

We Can Predict The Effects Of Seattle's $15 An Hour Minimum Wage
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2014/06/03/we-can-predict-the-effects-of-seattles-15-an-hour-minimum-wage/#41557e404064

>We would therefore expect to see reasonably large unemployment effects.

OOPS

you right wing retard billionaire globalist shills really must love getting btfo by me

>>130297096

are you some kind of fat fuck because that's who goes to "restaurants"

>>130298707
Nah I just hate you right wing retard billionaire globalist cucks

>>130298900
he has none. Right wing retards are so mentally fucked up, they don't even know what that when unemployed get jobs, the unemployment rate goes down. Right wing retards are literally too mentally retarded to understand this simple concept. >>130298789

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>>130298363
What do you do for a living and how much do you earn?
I earn $750/week working a semi skilled facilities job - and you think a 16 year old working at DD's should make $600/week for pouring joe? And then what would happen anon - our morning joe would get more expensive. Because I would be forced to subsidize an uneducated, unambitious person's 'wages'.
Money flows from my pockets into theirs already in the form of taxes.

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>obamaleaf hiding behind a democratic flag now(as a non american)
>obamaleaf calling anyone else globalist cucks
Holy shit, why haven't you just offed yourself you autistic piece of shit. You don't even argue or present facts you post nonsensical, schizophrenic rants for 60+ posts in a thread and simple deflect/deny anything posed as evidence against your claims. What a pathetic piece of shit you are. I'd get mad at your constant shitposting if it wasn't so funny seeing into the mind of a lunatic.

>>130299000
I hope you don't actually believe this is a refutation to what I posted and are just baiting.

>>130299104
You're a cuck who gets paid very little so because you're a failure in life, you want other people to get paid little? You right wing retards really are fucked up u know that.

The only reason you exist is to fight for your billionaire globalist overlords. You want workers to make as little as possible so the wealthy elites who own you can have it all.

You bring up coffee.

Starbucks makes billions a year in profits. They can easily afford to pay their workers more, but you right wing retards exist to fight on behalf of your corporate gods.

Starbucks posts record profits amid global expansion
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2016/11/03/starbucks-earnings/93133758/

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>>130299257
Wait, do you honestly expect obamaleaf to do anything but post one of his 100+ images of "evidence" he has saved and the copypasta replies he has? He has no arguments, he has no reasoning, he throws out buzzwords at everyone(expect me to get called a right wing retard for simply laughing at him and not even attempting to argue with that sperg). He is living EXTREMELY far on the spectrum.

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>>130299202
Which flag triggers you more, bitch? Leaf or Democrat?

>>130299257
I did refute your bullshit.
You right wing retards promised me a higher minimum wage would kill jobs. It didn't happen. Your entire billionaire globalist ideology is a lie

>>130297096

Except Australia and Canada are going into the shitter.

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>>130299449
Why are you so triggered by me?

I did refute him.
>>130299558
>>130299000

You right wing retards are allowed to exist because you serve your billionaire globalist overlords well and you always fight against higher wages for workers. ALWAYS. You don't even dispute that. There's no debate here.

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>>130299463
Neither, I am simply pointing out how crazy you are, I am sure you only rebuttal will be "ur a rite wyng retard, ur mad I am btfoing you" when I haven't posted a single argument against our nonsensical rants and only laugh at your sad mental state.

>democrats
>not globalist cunts
oh I am laffin

>>130297096
"Dining scene"
You mean people eat food? No shit.

So many broad/ambiguous/anecdotal statements, which is what you don't understand - the minimum wage is cutting those workers overall earnings. The businesses will still operate, because many of them are owned by the government and the corporations and they've long-since been paid for - and many others which aren't part of the establishment will shut down out of inability to pay.

Let's talk math - it's not about food being cheap or expensive. It's about the value of the food reflecting the market, which means the working and middle class. In turn, that also increases the ability of the owners to keep the restaurants open.

In the US, an average waiter in a central urban environment in which the minimum wage is $8 or less, already makes up to $40 per hour on a good night with tips. If you stack the minimum wage, guess what ACTUALLY happens? Those tips are then redistributed and balanced vs. the minimum wage. And in turn, they are TAXED. Guess what happens as a result? The government grows, and becomes more bloated, prints and wastes more money. So you get a slope decline - the year-over-year factor being that at first, you won't see a change. But, quietly, the expenses of government and restaurant owners are growing. And as they grow, the tips will begin to decline. And when the tips decline, the restaurant owners can no longer afford to pay the increased wages (which are really just redundant calculations of wage + tips into a core wage). And when that happens, the workers start to effectively take home less as the prices go up. As economics is an expanding pie, what would normally happen is that the tips will grow with the market as the surrounding wage earners make more money with less government spending. And how can we chart that? See below.

Year 1: 8 + 15 per hour in tips vs. 23 wage, food = $5
Year 2: 8 + 18 per hour in tips vs. 23 wage, food = $7
Survivable until year 10 - USA is in year 156.

>>130298048
It's nice to see someone who hates niggers and spics so damn much.

>>130298108
Your intentions are good but this is incorrect. It does nothing of the sort.

>>130299079

The entire left wing ideology is taking money from someone and giving it to someone else. Forced charity. You will never subvert by sounding hard in your speech but then being a leftist. What you do will work on jewish boards like reddit but not here. Just found out you are part jew. Still working on your case in discord

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>getting so buttflustered you reply to me multiple times
I know that someone this autistic can't help it, you see someone laughing at you and you MUST respond. What runs through such a mental head at that time I wonder.

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>>130299690
I post facts, graphs, stats, data. You have nothing here except you're showing how triggered you are by me.

>>130299558
That isn't a refutation of the point, that's Ad hominem. You brought up a separate argument in an attempt to discredit his current argument.

>>130297096
you know your $15 isnt even 11,5 american dollars right?

>>130297590
That makes no sense.

I'm an attorney and the firm charges $525 for every hour I work.

You think I could afford to pay an attorney $525/hour?

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>>130299824
>The entire left wing ideology is taking money from someone and giving it to someone else.

Yeah from your billionaire globalist overlords to workers.

Lol that's exactly right. That's why you right wing retards hate liberals so much.

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>>130299841
>still buttflustered
It's ok, I know your ranting is about the only social interaction you get.

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>>130299830
I love how obsessed you are with me and how triggered you are by me

Also, friendly reminder that this angsty leaf is not only autistic, but still in school. What kind of education are they giving out in today's world.

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>>130299373
What do you do for a living and how much money do you earn?

You don't work, do you - and you're lecturing (sic) me on wages...
Fuck off back to UCB and don't forget to ask daddy for an increase in your allowance because fighting the good fight just got a little harder.

>>130298048
>RIGHT WING RETARD
Found Obama leaf.

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>>130299977
>being this triggered by me

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>s-stop laughing
>y-you must be triggered
>o-obamaleaf wins again
Tip of the spectrum
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

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>>130300107
Everyone else notice how obsessed this retard is with me?

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rly maeks me think

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>being so buttflustered that you can't let someone laughing at you go unanswered
Keep proving my assertions right, you sure are the voice of reason here.

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>>130300247
>being this triggered by me

>>130299719
wut? don't know if you've ever waited but no one reports cash tips, which in some places such as Hooters and most bars make up the vast majority of tips. otherwise i have no idea wtf you're babbling about.

>>130300154
Nothing triggers u right wing retards more than workers making a decent wage and low unemployment

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>>130300307
my chestnuts are roasting

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>>130300347
have you brought 1 argument to this thread?

OY VEY
S-stop laughing at me
S-stop calling me autistic
y-you must be triggered
I-i always win arguments from my uni dormroom

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

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>>130300307
Thanks Obama!

>>130297096
>kill the hospitality industry
This should be a goal anyway

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>>130300500
I mean.. do you even think you're hiding how triggered you are by me?

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>>130300307
>>130300451
zee almonds

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Hey autismo, you keep doing you. I am sure your nonsensical, autistic rants really get people to agree with you. I have a buddies party to go to but continue living life on the spectrum. Thanks for the laugh I am sure when I check back in later you will still be autistically shitposting. Again, I appreciate the humor.

>>130299971
So how does importing brown labourers help white workers, exactly? What about America's bloated tax codes, and the lovely affirmative action, how's that helping the white working class?

>>130299373
this

>>130297096
You are making an argument using a picture????? I need some data, fag.

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>>130299079
>What is real unemployment
Current Labor Force Participation rate is 62.7%, the lowest since December of 1977

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>>130300685
Why do right wing retards think that posting a bunch of charts of Bush crashing the economy in 2008 hurts Obama?

Ever notice how right wing retards will not once show Obama's actual record from 2009 to 2017? You know why? Because right wing retards know Obama has a very strong economic record.

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>>130300767
Why are you so obsessed with me tho?

Have you brought 1 argument to this thread?

>>130299971

No you mean from hard working White people particularly Christian families who get their taxes jacked up to pay for mudskins that have invaded all of our countries because of jewish control in our politics and money. Leftist politics: Women and coloreds want to live in white man(aka western) culture and have all benefits of white man culture at the forced expense of white man tax dollars. Jew hates white man for 2000 years because they spread christianity. Jew works for satan so gets power in earth to rule the kingdoms and crush whitey once and for all. Daily reminder all leftist and communist bullshit came from the synagogue of satan aka modern day Jew.

>>130298789
You again... You do understand that Seattle is experiencing a construction and tech boom????Your chart shoes shit, relative to the minimum wage.

>>130300409
Most right-wingers in the US are dipshit hicks and working-class beer-drinking morons living dead-end lives who literally pander to Goldman Sachs and Wall Street to prevent them from ever rising out of it. Pretty funny desu.

>>130297510
>sitting in your hovel all day
>not eating at upscale restaurants with your compatriots while drinking expensive liquor and discussing der untergang des abendlandes

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>>130300409
What do you do for a living, what do you contribute towards society, how much do you earn, how much taxes do you pay?

No need to reply - ask yourself these questions when you do come home after a 12 hour day and realize you're not going forward in life.
But thanks to cunts like Pocahontas, the folks that do nothing are catching you up on the back of your labor.

I hope we joust again in 10 years anon - I was like you.

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>>130300307
>>130300451
>>130300685
Thanks Obama!

>>130297096
wow, muhh hwages

>>130299841
I have never once seen you post an actual statistic. It has all been more like this:
>>130300182
which is the saddest thing I have ever seen on any chan. Cripplechan included.

>>130300400
Under a minimum wage raise, your employer is allowed to confiscate your tips up to the minimum wage bar. i.e. if you get $16 per hour in wages but make an unprofitable amount in tips/suck at your job, you will either have those tips garnished or you'll be fired.

>>130300790
Dziekuje Maciej

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>>130300790
You got btfo and now you're flailing, jumping from topic to topic.

Why did you post this article like a retard? >>130298589

Do you admit that your billionaire globalist hero Tim Worstall who fights for lower wages for workers btfo himself? >>130299000

>>130297096
No tips for the server. So the waiters make less. Everybody else should be fine with it.

>>130301116
That's what you did, you still haven't said anything about my original argument.

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>>130300307
>>130300451
>>130300685
>>130301084

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>>130300866
>>What is real unemployment

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHHAH

Right wing retards actually think my 80 year old retired grandma is unemployed.

Holy shit u retards have no fucking clue what a labor force or what an unemployment rate is.

The CLFPR is falling because of retiring boomers. WTF DID YOU THINK IT WAS?

There are 95 gorillion RETIREES, full time high school students, full time university students, stay at home moms, sick, disabled, etc. NOT IN THE LABOR FORCE.


What is the right wing retard conspiracy here?

>>130301116
If you're really interested in helping the white working class, Obama isn't your guy, even Xlumpf is better.

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>>130300307
>>130300451
>>130300685
>>130301084
>>130301215
it hurts

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>>130301004
you're a good goy

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>>130300307
>>130300451
>>130300685
>>130301084
>>130301215
>>130301289

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>>130301014
It's not just Seattle. Higher minimum wages are boosting the economy all over the US. You right wing retard billionaire globalist shillcucks who fight for lower wages for workers got btfo

>>130301099
On top of this, your boss is already assuming your tips as part of your wage. So guess what happens to your hours as a waiter? That's right, you're getting cut to maybe 15-20 hours per week. Now you have to find a second job to cover those other hours and hope your second schedule doesn't interfere with the first. Good luck!

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>>130301024
this

you fucking nailed it

>>130297096
It's not the governments job to regulate wages. The market regulates wages.

>>130297096
>wealthy white liberal area
Yea, I'm sure this will work great in the inner city.

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>>130301098
>I have never once seen you post an actual statistic.

Are you retarded?
>>130298048
>>130298789
>>130299000
>>130300531
>>130300904

>>130301388
Could you give me an argument for how exactly raising the minimum wage could raise employment?

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>>130298048
Don't worry Obama leaf, your time to get BTFO is coming

>>130298139
Boomers are absolute shit

>>130301207
I already btfo your original billionaire globalist talking point and you know it.

Now all you can do is dodge like the cuck you are.

Why did you post this article like a retard? >>130298589

Do you admit that your billionaire globalist hero Tim Worstall who fights for lower wages for workers btfo himself? >>130299000 (You)

Yeah, this would totally work in the entire US. Definitely wont replace people w robots and shit.

>>130297096
you ignorant ass clown, food here is anything but cheap

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>>130301215
ONCE AGAIN RIGHT WING RETARDS POST CHARTS OF BUSH CRASHING THE ECONOMY AND OBAMA BOOMING THE ECONOMY.

You can't make this shit up.

>>130297096
>Burgers are so used to getting food for dirt cheap
Those who care for their health will pay more for actual quality. All these chain restaurants just sell you frozen garbage. I'd say let the poor eat themselves to death but we have to pay to keep their fat asses alive unfortunately.

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>>130301282
Obama did more for white people than any Republican president ever has

>>130301449
This lets me know that youve never lifted hammer, nor pounded nail in the entirety of your sub beta life

The foods also 25 dollars a plate and sides are an extra 5 dollars each

>>130301621
Do you get payed by (you) basis or by how long a thread stays up?

>>130297096
>appreciating the work these people do
>appreciating some retarded burger flipper
>hard work
A trained monkey can replace those retards, they don't deserve more money.

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>>130301378
Do you realize your own charts show that all measures from U3 to U6 plummeted under Obama?

Are you deliberately acting retarded? Why are you btfo yourself?

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>>130301225
Nonsense. The government has intentionally sabotaged employment and earnings and is now actively trying to cover it up via shills and disinformation agents like you. The US Government is communist and it's time to abolish it, and recover our actual earnings. We would be making up to 10x our current incomes without government, and we'd have full, real employment.

>>130301756
I'm starting to think that too Polbro.

Over & out

>>130298048
Because they are the ones who have to pay the retarded burger flippers which are replaceable btw.
Because they are the ones who have to pay the higher prices because of higher min wage.
You leftist leeches don't work so ofc you don't know.
You leftist leeches don't have to pay, ypu get free food off of foodstamps.

>>130297771
fuck off nigger

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>austrialian buying power

great meme, never gets old

>>130301537
First of all, I don't even have to make that argument, but I will shortly. That's not the liberal argument. The liberal argument is that a higher min wage gives workers more money so they don't live in poverty. Without harming the economy.

You're basically admitting that your entire right wing retard billionaire globalist shillcuck argument is bullshit. Your entire cuck ideology is that higher min wage kills jobs. Except it doesn't. It's bullshit. The only reason u right wing retards oppose higher min wage is because that's what Mr. Shekelstein commands you to do.

Oh and how does it raise employment? Workers spend money in the local economy, economy does better, companies hire more workers. Pretty simple, retard.

look up velocity of money


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wAa9DqHZtM

Hilarious how in every US state where the Min wage has been raised, more jobs have been created.
Still idiots are tricked by the arguments crafted by the corporate establishment who wants to make the most profit possible.

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>>130301738
I got my toolbox and Im literally lifting a hammer right now

>>130300904
What record, we printed a shit load of money and doubled out debt to prop it up with a tada. Obama didn't fix shit, just more Jewish tricks.

>>130302206
>Oh and how does it raise employment? Workers spend money in the local economy, economy does better, companies hire more workers. Pretty simple, retard.
So why stop at 15$ an hour?

>>130301756
>>130301927
lol you right wing retards are the ones who serve your billionaire globalist overlords. are you telling me you do it for free?

>>130302316
Every US state with increased minimum wages are creating non min wage jobs and thus the cost of living is going up. When you've got software engineers and other people with lots of buying power its hard to afford anything on 7.50 an hour.

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>>130302144
Shame the Aussies will get overrun by Asian cockroaches. Seems like they're trying to get abos to breed too now. Sad times.

>>130301808
Just because you right wing retards have no fucking clue what a labor force is or what an unemployment rate is, doesn't mean it's all fake

Hey retard, tell me, what does U4 measure? >>130301782

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>>130302381
Obama didn't double the debt. You must be thinking of Reagan

>>130302426
As I've already said, I've never worked for minimum wage, so it doesn't matter too much to me.

>>130302403
So you admit that a $15/hour min wage doesn't kill jobs? Then it's over. I won the argument.

Blacks are better workers than whites

>>130301388
Your arguments dumb. Your charts do not address specifics and so on. You do not even understand the calculation of inflation and how fraudulent it is. You do not even understand how unemployment is calculated and how fraudulent it is. You also do not understand that increasing minimum wage from 7 dollars an hour to 8 dollars an hour is different from raising min wage from 9 to 12. You also do not understand that if the increase minimum wage to a point that is still below equilibrium then the increase will not impact job rates negatively nor positively. You are what we call a hack.

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>>130297096

>How do you explain that if paying those wages would kill the hospitality industry?

Upscale restaurants are bad examples. Raising the minimum wage won't hurt upscale their restaurants because their clientele won't care about items on the menu going up a few bucks.

It's the middle and lower tier restaurants, where they have price-sensitive customers, who will get fucked. Restaurants already operate on lean margins. Raising the minimum wage to $16 (or wtfever it is - changes from locale to locale) will be enough to push many of them over the edge.

And the hysterical part if the Left thinks the business will eat these additional costs. They won't. They'll just pass it along to the customer, like all business always do, because that's how businesses work.

Being a fucking burger flipper was never meant to be a fucking career. It was a summer and after school job for high school kids. Not a nigger sow with 7 chilren.

>>130302581
put your fucking leaf back on

>>130302591
We're talking about America btw, not your piece of shit country. Your people are still fleeing Pooland to clean toilets in the UK

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>>130302581
>left wing retard espousing pinko commie propaganda
Hi there!

>>130302692
Nice projection kid. You don't understand any of those things so you're projecting that onto me.

>You do not even understand how unemployment is calculated and how fraudulent it is

What does U4 measure?

>>130302631
Yeah, but why not make it higher so everybody is even better off?

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>>130302732
ok

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>>130297096
$15 an hour is roughly $30,000 a year full-time.

this is fine, but there will be no tips and less waitstaff so more work per worker.

>>130297096
>Having minimum wages
What kind of commie countries actually have minimum wages? lel

>>130302316
But you guys don't even have a minimum wage, so barbaric.

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>>130302813
Obama reduced the budget deficit by 2/3. What's your point?

Name the last time a Republican ever did that. Right wing retards never can do it!

>>130297096
Oh yeah? How expensive is everything those workers buy to survive? Kinda ruins the point when everything they NEED costs far more.

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>>130302867
2016 was the best year

>>130302853
After $15, it goes up every year to match inflation.

You never answered this btw.

Why did you post this article like a retard? >>130298589

Do you admit that your billionaire globalist hero Tim Worstall who fights for lower wages for workers btfo himself? >>130299000 (You) (You)

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>>130302403

>person asks a legitimate question
>puff chest out, knock over the pieces, strut around, shit all over the board

t. I won the argument.

Mother fucking idiot.

His question instantly showed how full of shit you are. Using you own argument, we should raise minimum wage to $100 per hour. Imagine the economy then! Pure Hot Fiah!!!!

Moron.

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>>130302982

>>130302949
You just proved how dumb you really are. Obama increased the deficit so high that when he reduced it, it made your statistic. None the less, his lowest deficit is still one of the highest in this nations history.

>>130302941
Yes, we do.

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>>130303073
Why stop at $100?

>>130303177
But it isn't determined by the government, right?

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>>130303073
right wing retards arguing like morons

You retards promised me that a $15/hour min wage would kill jobs. It didn't. Why are you so triggered by this?

I'm not advocating for a $100/hour min wage.

You're just mad because workers are earning a decent wage and unemployment is falling. Nothing pisses off u conservashits more than rising wages for workers

Why stop at $23/hour?
If the legal minimum wage was $1000/hour we would all be rich.

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>>130302537
>its an Obamaleaf gets really autistic about the definition of unemployment but can't argue confront any other argument about the economy episode
I've seen this rerun so many times.
Speaking of billionaire friend getting all our money, do you want to explain where this bonus money went? Because median income, at best, is still about level with 2008.

>>130303109
Lmao, you are fucking clueless!
Obama cut the deficit that Bush left him with by over 2/3.
Dumb-ass, corporate bitch Republicans get into the office and just spends an insane amount of money like everytime

>>130303021
Yeas sure, but why stop at 15$/h? Nobody souls make a "living wage", they should be comfortable, making at least 20-30$ an hour. In fact, let's make everybody rich, 100$ an hour for everybody.

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>>130303109
Obama didn't increase the deficit. He reduced the deficit by 2/3.

Is this the part of the exercise where u fucking morons don't know what a US fiscal year is and don't know that FY2009 was Bush's last budget?

>>130297096
theres barely any competition in australia. you have like 3 restaurants in the whole country

>>130303246
Yes, it is. We have three different minimum wages, depending on what sector you are working in.

>>130303263
Again you fucktard, Seattle construction and tech are responsible for job growth in the city. Keep posting your dumbness.

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>>130303221
>>130303073
>how right wing retards """argue""" economics

>>130302581
>>130302949
HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
OBAMALEAF CONFIRMED RETARD.

>>130303021
And I posted it because I thought it was a strong argument, don't know who wrote it because I didn't look into it. For some reason you refuse to talk about the arguments he presents in the article.

>>130303340
You are a complete idiot if you believe this!

>Minimum wage in Australia is like $17 now
>24 million people
>11 million have jobs
>~150k jobo penings in the country
>Youth unemployment is Spain tier (ie >40%)

Yeah it's working out great lmao

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>>130303373
You retards promised me that a $15/hour min wage would kill jobs. It didn't.

>>130302403
Lmao, because wages have been stagnant for the last decades. Prices have gone up, but wages have stayed the same - that's why we should raise the minimum wage to a reasonable amount and tie it to inflation.

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>>130303430

>>130298048
>Obamaleaf.

>>130303370
That's not what wikipedia says, is it out of date or are you?

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>>130302949

Obama was the worst president in US history.

ANY "proof" you think you might have was nothing but an elaborate smoke and mirrors act to fundamentally change the country.

>sandy hook is a prime example

Fucking nigger faked a massacre of children to mask a unconstitutional gun grab, which failed miserably anyway.

Go away, and take your progressive lies with you.

>>130302537
No, I know what it is and that's why I know that the government is lying about it by pretending that 37.3% of the people in the US who are absent from the work force is just old incapable retirees and college kids.

We're not retarded and that's why we know that government IS fake, and soon enough we're going to take matters into your own hands. How much will you be earning once we kill you and your families? Leftism isn't wanted on this planet. Soon we will deploy our defense squadrons to places like Seattle and San Francisco... and we'll purge all of you once and for all.

>>130297096
Wow and I bet the minimum wage was 15$ before, and was livable but now it's not and you made it 23$ and now it is, but soon it won't be and you'll make it $30, and what's gonna happen next?

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>>130298048

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I'm willing to bet OP just got his first job as a waiter and is pissed somebody didn't tip enough.

Get fucking real, you carry food back and forth that you don't even make.

>>130303435
You right wing retards always think that lower wages for workers is a strong argument. That's the defining core of your ideology.

Do you admit that Tim Worstall btfo himself? >>130299000
2014:

We Can Predict The Effects Of Seattle's $15 An Hour Minimum Wage
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2014/06/03/we-can-predict-the-effects-of-seattles-15-an-hour-minimum-wage/#41557e404064

>We would therefore expect to see reasonably large unemployment effects.

OOPS

>>130303524
you didn't respond to my actual argument tho:
>>130303297
or anyone else responding to your retardation.

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>>130303447
It's fact and stats, not an opinion. You can search it up yourself. You are simply factually wrong here.

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>>130303608
Where is there any yellow on this pic? >>130298048

r u color blind?

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>>130297096
>they obviously work pretty hard to keep you all so fat.
The secret is in the sauce.

>>130303573
To put it this way.. Our unions have minimum wages but not the government. They negotiate min wage by law.

>>130303621
And he wants to make it even worse, which is why I've explained to him what happens if we actually go through with his stupid plan.

>>130298139
>$17 for a fucking sandwhich
S-see guys, minimum wage hikes don't affect cost of living?

>>130298789
Once the construction/tech bubble pops watch the number skyrocket.

>>130302949
>>130303340
>>130303630
see >>130302813
Shame the facts don't line up with those graphics.

>>130303630
You forgot Obama there.
Maybe because he increased the US debt by over 30 trillion, essentially doubling it?

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>>130303587
LOL you couldn't even tell me what U4 measures.

>by pretending that 37.3% of the people in the US who are absent from the work force is just old incapable retirees and college kids.

Also 16 year olds in school, also stay at home moms like Melania, also disabled people, also early retirees, also sick people like cancer patients, also people in job training.

Again, just because u right wing retards have no fucking clue or understanding of complex issues, doesn't mean they're fake. It just means you're an autist.

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>>130297096

Waiters and waitresses in the USA should be paid a full wage for their work; not minimum wage but not $15. Tips should be earned for good service during dine-in. Why the fuck do I have to be subjected to some waitress giving me an attitude for not tipping on a takeout order? These restaurant owners just don't wanna shell out a proper wage. Fuck'em. I can't be bothered constantly shitting out $5 on top of a $10 sandwich that takes all of 30 seconds to put together and 30 seconds to ring me up at the register.

I really hope the minimum wage law goes through and most of these restaurants go out of business.

Will force people to actually shop at grocery stores and make their own food for a change. Will drastically lower obesity rates too because every fat fuck now has a conceivable idea of how much time and preparation goes into getting shit shoveled down his throat. And if he can't do it, he'll lose weight.

Also from a moral perspective: Businesses SHOULD be punished for not paying their workers a fair wage.

>>130303899
Obamaleaf keeps playing a slight of hand where he uses budget deficit percentages based on the years after Obama's high early bailout spending, instead of actually talking about the national debt or how much Obama really spent.

>>130303793
Sounds good to me, why get government involved at all? Let it be between between the workers, their unions and the employers. Too bad you got ridiculous taxes and redistribution combined with this system.

>>130303626
you think this is an argument? >>130303430


what is wrong with u retards

>>130303832
For all intents and purposes the sandwich is identical
$8 an hour, $5 sandwich or
$23 an hour, $19 sandwich

>>130303899
Do you know the difference between federal debt and annual deficit? Holy fuck..

>>130303846
So you admit that the $15 min wage didn't kill jobs

Your entire cuck ideology is bullshit

>>130304009
The Taxes are fine if you ask me.. It's rather unnecessary fees and stuff.

>>130302206
They also have less money in their pockets because everything is getting more expensive.
And no, for poor people this is worse then for already well doing people.
I.e. it is the perfect way to make the poor poorer and the rich richer.

Minimum wages are proven to slow down or even reduce the economic growth.

You dont know shit about money, so stop watching youtube vids or atleast watch some educational ones.

>>130297096
Minimum wage here is $16, which is about $12US.

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>>130304008
Wait. Are you such a right wing retard that you don't know that FY2009 was Bush's last budget? >>130303360

Is what this is all about?

Obama inherited a $1.2 TRILLION budget deficit from Bush and cut it by 2/3

That's a fact.

How do u not know this?

Read a fucking CBO report. Educate yourself.

https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/111th-congress-2009-2010/reports/01-07-outlook.pdf

>>130304073
>nazbol flag
>thinking he opposes socialist economics
Go back to class little boy

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>>130304011
you are a filthy liar. I linked to this:
>>130303297
a topic on which you have never engaged me on, because all you do is come in here, get autistic about the unemployment rate, and lie about the deficit spending.
In fact, you didn't respond to a single one of the arguments against the retardation you post, you just post "right wing retards" and some misleading graphs over and over and over

>>130304073
These people are fucking morons. Fact free rants from all of them. Denying facts and being corporate puppets, despite being self-proclaimed National-socialists.

>>130303360
If you examine these numbers, Obama had the highest deficits in history.
http://federal-budget.insidegov.com/

>>130302581
Obamaleaf is back

>>130304227
>there he goes misrepresenting the deficit again.

>>130299678
No one is giving the rich more money!

They are just letting the rich keep the money they earned.

The biggest flaw with this $15 minimum wage plan is assuming companies will eat the costs, and not just pass them onto the consumers, or firing some workers and making the rest work harder to compensate. It's more proof that the left doesn't think things through

>>130304269
Thank you!

>>130299971
Oh look another teenage faggot.

>>130302581

>obama not on the pic

HMM I REAllY WONDER WHY???

MY ALMONDS SURE ARE ACTIVATING!!!

>>130304142
Actually they have more purchasing power because the min wage increase is far higher than the 2 or 3% inflation.

Lol you do realize that things get more expensive every year regardless of min wage because of inflation right?

Your billionaire globalist overlords programmed you to be opposed to making more money. My god u retards are cucked beyond repair.

>>130304051
5$ * 1.6 = 8$
17$ * 1.6 = 27$ (see: more than 23)

>>130304314
That tard comes in here at least once a month and spews shit out his keyboard.

>>130304438
implying anyone here likes the FED

>>130303940
>Tells me I don't know what it means
>Doesn't understand that the projections don't include the self-employed

Those people aren't in school dude, they're on fucking welfare, most of them are subhumans like you that we need to round up and deport.

Leftists don't belong in the US - we'll be rounding you all up soon under Trump and deporting you to some other country (or better yet, hopefully killing you all the way down to your little children. Imagine if we just killed every leftist in this world - how great society would become if we had a leftocaust.)

>>130304227
Straight from wikipedia:
"The United States federal budget for fiscal year 2009 began as a spending request submitted by President George W. Bush to the 110th Congress. The final resolution written and submitted by the 110th Congress to be forwarded to the President was approved by the House on June 5, 2008. The final spending bills for the budget were not signed into law until March 11, 2009 by President Barack Obama, nearly five and a half months after the fiscal year began."

Obamaleaf should kill himself.

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>>130304269
lol a fake news made up email? That's what u base your entire cuck ideology on?

I bring facts, stats, graphs to the thread and that's all u retards can come back with? LOL

It all makes sense now, Melbourne is the degenerate capital of Australia and that's because their minimum wage laws keeps those they want in the country out of their city.

>>130304346
That's why everyone has proposed a gradual increase. Prices has gone up, while wages has stayed the same for decades. This is the natural thing to do.

>>130303340
You know not what you speak off.

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>>130304294
Obama inherited the highest deficit in history from Bush and cut it by 2/3

Name the last time a Republican ever cut the budget deficit by 2/3.

>>130304438

Such tired rhetoric.

>>130304461
Not $17, $19 you stupid fuck learn to read you retarded communist fuck, learn to fucking read you piece of left-wing shit or better yet just slash your own throat open and die you fucking piece of shit communist, drink bleach you fucktard.

>>130304051
We're talking 74% of your min wage vs 62% of it. Bro just stop trying to math.

>>130304603

I will hold him down while you pour the bleach into his mouth.

>>130304290
They are retards but you're right they're also total corporate cock holsters and billionaire globalist shills >>130301449


These retards entire ideology is to work for as little as possible so the wealthy elites can have it all

>>130304581
FY 2009 - Even though the budget had been approved, Congress added emergency funding to stop the Great Recession. It added the first year's worth of spending from Obama's Economic Stimulus Act to the FY 2009 budget. That $253 billion accrues to Obama.
FY 2010 - Obama's first budget created a $1.294 trillion deficit.
FY 2011 - This budget contributed $1.3 trillion to the debt.
FY 2012 - The deficit was $1.087 trillion.
FY 2013 - This was the first Obama budget where the deficit, $679 billion, was less than $1 trillion. Thank sequestration, which forced a 10 percent cut in spending.
FY 2014 - The deficit was $485 billion.
FY 2015 - The deficit fell further, to $438 billion.
FY 2016 - The deficit is expected to be $600 billion
FY 2017 (Current Budget) - The deficit is projected to be $441 billion.

>>130304628
No, I've done the math correctly you fucking subhuman piece of shit, you fucking racially inferior fuck, log the fuck off. Your race will be purged soon you fucking subhuman. Get off my planet you piece of shit.

>>130304515
Wonder if obamaleaf will ever address this or just keep screaming incoherently at a computer screen.

>>130304526
its not fake, that's more lies from Obamaleaf. I only posted it because its funny.

If you brought facts and stats you would be able to defend them, but you can't and you won't. You ignored everyone with good arguments itt so you could post "not an argument" at a bunch of shitposts.

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>>130304330
You do realize that OBama's first budget was FY2010 right?

>>130304748
Laughing so hard at this. When you get confronted with facts, go into rage mode.
You corporate shill. Go suck some more jew dick

>>130298363
One side effect of the minimum wage is to give a base number for employers to pay new workers. It doesn't really matter what a person is capable of, they will be paid that bottom dollar when new to an industry. One thing that you would be able to do without a minimum wage is to force employers to think of what a reasonable wage is for a job and pay what the market will actually demand. It would also teach young people how to negotiate a wage, a skill which is lacking.

>>130297096
>food service industry
They get paid $8/hr and work for tips

Fucking statists, let the free market decide & stop making people pay $15 for a job that is only worth $10 by the barrel of a gun.

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>>130304683
So you admit that Obama inherited a $1.2 TRILLION budget deficit from Bush and cut it by 2/3?

Even the CATO institute agrees with me.

Don’t Blame Obama for Bush’s 2009 Deficit
https://www.cato.org/blog/dont-blame-obama-bushs-2009-deficit

Funny how u right wing retards CAN NEVER TELL ME when was the last time a Republican ever reduced the budget deficit over their full term. You retards can never do it.

>>130304586
You are a fucking retard, the info I posted shows you how wrong you are but you just spew shit out your keyboard and have no critical thinking ability. Like I said, you are a hack.

>>130298048
https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=623110115067019012064030025111123092051040069008061028095107010090008069077122024071123059021013106005121064011101064097087031105043041005072084110011113012029109062044080126093093091079089103001120103080009026065112024072004000004115072004021112001&EXT=pdf
Argue against Harvard

>>130304821
>there he goes misrepresenting the deficit agin

So, won't a $15 min wage mean standards will be much higher and fewer niggers will be hired to work in restaurants? I stopped going to fast food places nearly 2 decades ago because they were always staffed with niggers. Except for Chick-fil-a.

>>130304967
Did you respond to the wrong person? lol

>>130304515
>>130304788
Address the fact that right wing retards don't know how the US budget process works? Obama signed Bush's final appropriations. That's how it works. It was Bush's last budget. Just like how Trump signed Obama's last appropriations.

Do u retards seriously even know what the US fiscal year is?

President Donald J. Trump Signs H.R. 244 into Law
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/05/05/president-donald-j-trump-signs-hr-244-law

H.R. 244, which provides fiscal year (FY) 2017 full-year appropriations through September 30, 2017,

>>130304878
You don't have facts you have lies because you're a fucking brownskin invader. No worries, Washington and Seattle will be in the fucking ocean soon thanks to Climate Change. And I'll be laughing while you fucking drown. And if not, I'll grab you by the throat and strangle you anyways. I love killing brownies, especially the fucking Hadjis, Hadjis are the worst race, they have no place in a civilized society, fucking Indian bastards need to be rounded up like yesterday and thrown into the Ocean, die Hadjis die

>>130305148
>No worries, Washington and Seattle will be in the fucking ocean soon thanks to Climate Change.


The retard levels in this thread are breaking my meter.

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>>130305031
I'm the only one here telling the truth about the US budget deficit.

I don't think u retards even know what the US fiscal year is.

Funny how u right wing retards CAN NEVER TELL ME when was the last time a Republican ever reduced the budget deficit over their full term. You retards can never do it.

>>130304586
>>130302949

Don’t Blame Obama for Bush’s 2009 Deficit
https://www.cato.org/blog/dont-blame-obama-bushs-2009-deficit

>>130297663
> $15 an hour with tips
> being filthy rich

pick one

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>>130304515
>>130304788
you right wing retards seriously have no fucking clue how your own country works do you? >>130305147

The incoming president signs the previous president's final appropriations. It's still the previous president's budget.

President Donald J. Trump Signs H.R. 244 into Law
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/05/05/president-donald-j-trump-signs-hr-244-law

H.R. 244, which provides fiscal year (FY) 2017 full-year appropriations through September 30, 2017,

>>130305043
ya my bad im just replying as fast as i can

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>>130305221
If Climate Change is real it's a good thing because the coast is a bunch of assholes anyways and they deserve to drown, so I hope it's real, not only is Climate Change a good thing but it would be the greatest thing in history, if one day we woke up and everyone in California was just drowned in the Pacific Ocean

>>130305148
Pure Nordic ancestry, with great, grandfather being the cultural minister in the Norwegian Nat-Sos party - still a brownie by some American, under educated idiots standards.

I'm sorry you don't understand what a an annual budget is, but what can I expect from some tricked, moron serving his Jewish overlords?

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>>130304515
right wing retards eternally btfo

OBAMA LEAF WINS AGAIN
>>130304586
>>130304821
>>130304967
>>130305261
>>130305367

>>130304674
Total Surplus/Deficit as % of GDP = A measurement of the extent of a deficit or surplus in a fiscal year relative to that year's GDP. Provides a consistent metric for comparing deficits and surpluses across years.


2012
Add to Compare Barack Obama
-6.8% Total Surplus/Deficit as % of GDP
-1.04TRILLION
USD
15,291,700,000,000
USD
15.3TRILLION
USD

2011
Add to Compare Barack Obama
-8.5% Total Surplus/Deficit as % of GDP
-1.26TRILLION
USD
14,941,400,000,000
USD
14.3TRILLION
USD

2010
Add to Compare Barack Obama
-8.7% Total Surplus/Deficit as % of GDP
-1.28TRILLION
USD
14,669,400,000,000
USD
13.4TRILLION
USD

2009
Add to Compare Barack Obama
-9.8% Total Surplus/Deficit as % of GDP
-1.41TRILLION
USD
14,414,600,000,000
USD
11.9

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>>130305559
see >>130302949

>>130305501
Lies you're a fucking brownie. Fake internet nord.

>>130297096
stop hiding behind the aussie flag you fucking leaf. kys

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>>130304967
>He cut it by 2/3
>Value barely changed in the first three years
Considering the debt that the US was accumulating he should have had a positive budget by the second or third year of his first term.
Just because Bush was incompetent doesn't mean Obama isn't

>>130305559
> copy pasting some shit you don't even understand

lmao

>>130305667
lmao the salt from someone after being defeated in an argument

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>>130305501
The only decent budget is $0. The Swiss understand that. That's because unlike the socialist infested, communist infested statist multiculturalist hellholes, Switzerland knows the fucking muds don't belong amongst them and shoots them on sight! The only thing better would be no government at all, so there's no one to interfere with the justice that is coming to all socialist/communist bastards on this planet! Soon all your throats will be slashed! Even your little bastard kids! We'll remove them right in front of you.

>>130297096
>looks at picture
>all men have white hair
>consuming all the current wealth and future wealth(debt)
>thus can afford to eat there, spend their last 20 years spending spending spending bc they earned it.
>80% of people below 35 won't have retirement unless singularity does some crazy shit.

at $16/hr competition between the typical waiter and more productive workers come into play.
overall though min wage is not a big deal in places where cost of living already caused wages to rise.

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>>130305685
Lol Bush turns a $230 Billion SURPLUS into a record $1.2 TRILLION budget deficit.

He's a right wing retard hero.


Obama turns a $1.2 TRILLION budget deficit into a $500 billion budget deficit and saves the American economy from a 2nd Great Republican Depression.

Right wing retards hate him.

Funny how u right wing retards CAN NEVER TELL ME when was the last time a Republican ever reduced the budget deficit over their full term. You retards can never do it. >>130304586

>>130297096
there too many small businesses here that operate by paying their employees slave wages under the table. Also big corporations don't want to lose profits and downsize.

>>130305653
2008, 2007, 2006, 2005, 2004… The deficit never rose above 500 billion and never exceeded 3.5% Total Surplus/Deficit as % of GDP. You are an idiot!

>>130305261
>y one here telling the truth about the US budget deficit.
>I don't think u retards even know what the US fiscal year is.
>Funny how u right wing retards CAN NEVER TELL ME when was the last time a Republican ever reduced the budget deficit over their full term. You retards can never do it.
TLDR They looted 200 billion social security surplus and called it a surplus

>>130305869
Your point being? lol

>>130297096
We don't have the money for it. They'll just go out of business. I already don't go because it's not worth it to have some stupid brat fuck up my food or take too fucking long to make it. I can cook way better food for myself at a much cheaper price. The chefs at restaurants can't cater to my specific tastes like I can without me overpaying.

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>>130305869
Stop electing Republicans then

>>130297096
Sorry, I enjoy my food being cheap. I don't however enjoy other people. So why would I care to pay more?

>>130305773
I wasn't defeated, I simply recognized that some people can't be dealt with via argument. They simply need their heads to be sawed off with a knife while they beg and plead for help! But the help never comes and I tear their skulls off and keep them as trophies for my greatness!

>>130302206
You're a moron

>>130304967
Deficit argument is retarded. That's like saying I have $10,000 In credit card debt and was making $100.00 and spending $110.00 at the time. Now I got a raise to $200.00 and only spending $215.00 which means my deficit went down.

Any president spending more than the country pulls in is retarded. All that nigger did was put us in more debt. Reducing the deficit is a retarded argument that the left uses, because they can't math.

>>130306008
>Stop electing Republicans
We're going to stop electing anyone once we abolish the US Government.

>>130306049
But you arguments were defeated by stats and facts?

Can't wait for the invading 5"8 American horde..

>>130304748
https://www.mises.ca/the-minimum-wage-and-unemployment-in-australia
>This research found that increases in the minimum wage in Western Australia were followed by reductions in employment relative to other jurisdictions where corresponding increases in the minimum wage did not occur.
>If people wanting to work are included in the unemployment rate, then it increases substantially, to 14.3%, and if underemployed people are also included to get an underutilisation measure, then the rate increases further to 19.9%. This is a far less rosy picture than the one obtained merely by looking at the headline unemployment rate.
Also care to explain how australia's youth unemployment rate is almost 50% higher than in the USA?
https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/youth-unemployment-rate
>aus 12.70
>USA 8.80
Cry harder commie faggot

>>130305927
Look at you switching your goalpost!!! You do realize that 911 happened and despite Bushes bullshit pet middle east projects, he still never had deficits such as Obama.

>>130306139
Just start the civil war now instead. Get it done faster.

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>>130305990
Lol every time right wing retards are faced with facts they don't like, they make up crazy bullshit. The unemployment rate IS FAKE! (only under OBama tho), the budget balance is FAKE! (only under Clinton), etc etc

Are you actually so fucking demented that you think a president can just magically raid the SSTF? Cmon even u retards must have some idea of how autistic you are

Everything is a pizzaspiracy with u loons

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>>130305927
>ignores my argument and continues to sperg about Bush
>obama saved the american economy from a 2nd great depression
The 2009 crisis was normalized by the market.
If anything, the central bank interventions just made it worse

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>>130306273
There's nothing to 'raid', Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme

>>130306105
Obama cut the budget deficit by 2/3 >>130302949

and was the slowest spender in 80 years >>130305927

Can you tell me the last time a Republican ever reduced the budget deficit over their term?

>>130297510
Gotta make sure your eating places are nigger and spic-free.

>>130306105
This.
Niggerleaf is a faggot.

>>130306273
Why don't you give us a chart with Democrat controlled congresses then? I know why!!!!

>>130306359
Deficit is meaningless.
Debt matters.

>>130306359
I already explained it to you but you're an idiot.

>>130299952
I think you just made your own point for why attorneys are too expensive.

>>130306228
No, more people need to be informed. We need an army of soldiers who understand how the government has cheated them out of their rightful earnings. In turn, armed with that knowledge, they will rise up, bitter and angry. They will arm themselves against the thieves (the government supporters) who dwell amongst them. And they will righteously exact their vengeance.

>>130299373
You know who those billionaire globalist overlords are, right? I'll give you a hint. They write the news and they rhyme with "the news," can you guess who they are? The only way to stop it for good is to embrace NatSoc. Socialistic policies to keep the people well fed and flourishing, and nationalism to keep them together and working towards a common goal. Socialism won't work if you give it to the jews because they still push money to the top and circulate the remainder to the masses. You have to lead a nation with members of its own people so that the leader has a stake in actually caring for his nation.

>>130305147
>>130305367
Here's the final vote in the House of Representatives: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll382.xml

214 Democrats voted for it. 0 Republicans voted for it. As to the total, "a 2009 CBO report indicated that $245 billion, about half of the excess spending, was a result of the 2008 TARP bailouts. Spending increases and tax credits resulting from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 accounted for another 200 billion of the budget deficit."

TARP was supported more by Democrats than Republicans despite being signed into law by Bush. The ARRA of 2009 was passed on strict party lines with not a single Republican voting for it and signed into law by Obama.

But sure, keep pretending all of that debt spending was someone else's fault. You're a literal paid shill, so you don't care about facts.

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>>130306353
Based Bill left the Republicans a massive surplus and a plan to completely pay off the debt within 10 years. He told u retards not to piss it all away on tax cuts and wars. Guess what u retards did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O45zUlQPUQ0

>>130306508
Yeah, I guess so. Imo, the civil war should be a by partisan issue just for the war. Fight against the corrupt establishment, and fuck off afterwards.

>>130306544
This!
He will not give charts that correlate congressional control. They never do.

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>tfw Obama doubled the national debt and there's nothing obamaleaf can do about it

>>130306195
You're just citing numbers that support my argument. I've actually cited further-right numbers than the ones you've provided as a result of scaling inflation, i.e. the money is worth even less with a higher minimum wage. Apologies if you thought I was supporting a left-result.

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>service-economy workers and trans-rich yelling at each other about who deserves their wages more

>>130306647
No, not the 'establishment'.
Against every individual leftist on this planet, one by one, until none remain. One by one. Head by head. Throat by throat and heart by heart, until no more remain.

>>130306341
I'm not ignoring anything. You retards refuse to answer my very simple questions.

Funny how u right wing retards CAN NEVER TELL ME when was the last time a Republican ever reduced the budget deficit over their full term. You retards can never do it. >>130304586 (You)

>>130306613
Bill Clinton had one of the most effective Republican congresses in history. Bill, also signed into law massive welfare reform. Those reforms were rolled back by Obama and the Democrat controlled congress he enjoyed for his first 2 years.

>>130306711
>team damage 27%
>would you like to call a vote to ban this player?

>>130306647
I just want to kill leftists.

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>>130305954
DO right wing retards seriously not know that Bush crashed the economy and handed Obama the worst Republican Recession since the Great Republican Depression? Are you retards really to young and autistic to not know this?

Obama can't just go back to the Clinton surplus. He inherited Bush's mess and his $1.2 TRILLION budget deficit.

Don’t Blame Obama for Bush’s 2009 Deficit
https://www.cato.org/blog/dont-blame-obama-bushs-2009-deficit