Is religion the easiest way to spot retarded people?

>>130286230
yes.
but cultural values and traditions are important, so it’s good to keep them around (in their natural habitat ofc, not i.e. muslims in europe)

For me it's people who insist there is no God in spite of the fact that an omnipotent being by definition can conceal all traces of His existence.

>>130286230
hey oven dodger, upload the original

>>130286230
Sorry, but at least 90% of people historically have not been retards.

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>>130286230
*tips*

>>130286396
who insists there is no god?

gnostic atheism is super fucking rare my dude

>>130286230
Always do the opposite of what the Jews say

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>>130286730
wow thanks for le kind tip nice stranger!

>>130286730
you can be an athiest without being a prick

>>130286396
Ye he could. The problem is that there is no reason to do so.

no, because religion is mostly genetic and separate from genes that control intelligence.

this is why very, very very few people transition from theism to atheism as full adults. they do so as teenagers, when they stop living the way their parents decide and start living the way they are

>>130286751

>haha, look at all those religion fags, believing in something that I don't believe exists but have no way of knowing for sure

OK, so are atheists retarded for ridiculing others who reached a different conclusion based on the same unknown premises, or are atheists retarded for not fully examining those same premises in the first place? I'll let you decide.

>>130286230
no. flags are.

>>130287416
What atheists usually do, is ridicule religion(christianity, islam). That is not the same as to ridicule the idea of an omnipotent unknown creator.

>>130287416
>reached a different conclusion
the difference is you hold a belief without evidence, it's pretty simple.

>>130287306

>The problem is that there is no reason to do so.

No, the problem is that human beings, who are clearly not onmipotent, believe that they have the capacity to examine the motives of an omnipotent being based on logic systems of their own construction.

>>130286230
Fuck off David Serfaty, you brain dead kike with a speech impediment.

>>130287306
hubris is thinking you know and understand the motives and actions of an omnipotent being

never understood this argument, how could a being as insignificant as a human ever hope to understand or rationalize the ways of a god?

there is no god..neither "the creator".
just phenomena able to be explained eventually
by science.

>>130287603

>What atheists usually do, is ridicule religion(christianity, islam). That is not the same as to ridicule the idea of an omnipotent unknown creator.

>>130287608

>the difference is you hold a belief without evidence, it's pretty simple.

People who are religious have exactly the same amount of evidence to support their beliefs as you do.

>>130288089
like so many other things science has "explained" then retracted and corrected, then retracted and corrected, then retracted and corrected. Science has proven highly fallible.

>>130288204
They don't have any evidence to support their positive assertion that a god exists.

A person who rejects claims of gods based on lack of evidence does not need evidence to support them.

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>>130288250
contrary to religion which can be summed in 1 image

>>130286230
Skin color and misshapen head

>>130287692
>>130287862
>just stop thinking nigga
ye k

>>130288687
I wasn't arguing about religion, I was arguing about the possible existence of a creator. Everyone, even most people of faith, I think, know religion is a mess.

>>130288687
Saved

>>130288582

>They don't have any evidence to support their positive assertion that a god exists.

Of course they do. Christians have the Bible, Muslims the Koran, etc., etc.

>A person who rejects claims of gods based on lack of evidence does not need evidence to support them.

You aren't just rejecting them, though. You're actively telling these groups that they are wrong for believing what they believe in spite of the fact that you are no closer to proving your view is correct than they do.

>>130286230
It's actually the opposite. Religion developed from leveraging high capacities for abstract thinking into cost effective coercion of intellectual inferiors.

>>130286230
>>130288687

what a suprise its kikes shilling anti christian shit

>>130286396
I insist that the Chrisitan god doesn't exist. If god existed he wouldn't be so retarded.

>>130288898
so, no thoughtful rebuttal?

you as a person truly think that humans with our limited knowledge, limited lifespan and let's be honest, even among the most intelligent, limited brain capacity could possibly understand a being that is able to create a universe and make sense of why it does the things it does?

get the fuck outta here

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>>130289190
what a surprise, a dumb larping swastika fag doesn't realize how easy it is for me to also larp with a shitflag but I choose not to because im not a fucking autistic 12 y/o nigger

>>130288250
mistakes are part of being a human.
as if ancent people were to come in today's world, they would think everything as a miracle, as they would not understand how it works.

advance is being made by making errors and correcting them, rather than being "right" the first time around and calling it a day.

>>130289100
Rejecting god claims is exactly what atheism is - there isn't anything more to it. It's a-theism. Atheists aren't in the business of proving no god(s) exist, they're just critical of your belief being held without evidence.

Religious texts aren't evidence.

>>130289347
We don't know nigger what happened before big bang. NOOOOOOOOONE CLAIMS TO KNOW(among atheists). But when you make up magical sky fairy daddy to save you from responsibility then they can surely say that you're retarded.

>>130289294
This.

>>130286230
Yes, I see people who believe in the invisible hand to be retarded.

>>130286230
The only instance of this i have is a coworker was upset me and others were talking about the curiosity rover when it landed. Topics such as microbial life and shit sparked this older guy to get pissy and spout off "b bb but god said in the bible that life only exists on earth" i dont even know if thats true not do i care

>>130289100
I think you've got the idea that atheism is a positive assertion that no god(s) exist, it's not.

Oh and agnosticism isn't a valid position of belief, if you don't hold a belief then you're not theist. Gnosticism pertains to knowledge not belief, anyway.

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>>130288687

Stop throwing facts and logic at religious people. Blind faith, ignoring all evidence contradictory to the Bible, is proof they love God.

Don't be a hater - start ignoring facts. logic, and science today!

>>130289581


>We don't know nigger what happened before big bang

by your own words, it could be a possibility then, "sky daddy" falls under the realm of religion, I am arguing that a creator whatever it may be is a possibility because it would exist outside our human understanding and therefore would be impossible for us to rationalize, understand or fully explain

>>130286230

At least you kept your real flag.

>>130286230
yes

>>130286230

Atheists are firm believers as well, also retarded. Agnostics are the only intelligent people on this planet or people that are completely apathetic. Many religious people don't actually believe in their scripture to the T however.

>>130286230
No, it just shows man's dependency on something greater than himself, the belief of which is necessary for most to stave off depression.

The most elegant take-down of organized religion, imo, is this song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_-3Tm4h8xg

>>130286230
Yeah. Full on "there is no god" atheists are retarded.

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>>130289906
kek

here's anodda

>>130289948
So he showed up to some jew in desert. And you believe it because the jew said it was god? Truly many proofs.

>>130288687
Oh look another filthy kike trying to turn people away from Christ.

"le bible is wrong because the universe is really big"

Fuck off merchant.

>>130286230
I used to think so to. Watch American Gods, every episode and you'll see it more about what you believe and how that becomes a god to you. But yeah, organized religion is a scam, they use belief for their own purposes.

>>130290164
>not knowing what agnostic atheism is
>thinking gnosticism pertains to belief

>>130290217
It is quite reasonable to claim there is no god of christianity or islam. Just fucking read their books/beliefs.

>>130290293
t.highschooler

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>>130290187

>pakistan

RIP.

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>>130290293
cool story subhuman sub -IQ retard

>>130290499
I didnt say God of Christianity or Islam. I said god. Any god. Saying that there is definitely no god is no different than saying that there definitely is a god in terms of confirmation.

>>130290901
Judging from the fact that nothing is proven to be done by a god. There is absolutely no evidence for god's existence. to me it looks like it is quite reasonable to claim that it is very unlikely there is a god.
God should be quiet relevant to the universe, but there to this day there is nothing that suggests he exists.

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> don't kill
> don't steal
> respect your parents
you want to become a mudslime or something?

>>130289524

>Atheists aren't in the business of proving no god(s) exist, they're just critical of your belief being held without evidence.

Your insistence on evidence in a situation where it's already been explained to you that a lack of evidence has no bearing on any assertion is troubling.

>Religious texts aren't evidence.

Again, a convenient position for you to take. None of us have any way of knowing which of or whether those texts were created with divine influence. It's simply not possible to determine one way or the other. As such it's rather pointless for you to discount those texts, just as it's pointless for someone who accepts those texts as the word of God to discount your lack of belief in their veracity. You either believe in them, and the being(s) they represent, or you don't; one side has no more standing than the other.

>>130289890

>I think you've got the idea that atheism is a positive assertion that no god(s) exist, it's not.

I know what atheism is.

>Oh and agnosticism isn't a valid position of belief, if you don't hold a belief then you're not theist.

No one has said anything about agnosticism except you.

>>130286230
Not really, no.
After all, religion at least tells us that they can read at a collegiate-level. If they were unable to read, they couldn't read the collegiate-level religious texts they follow.

The easiest way to spot retarded people?
Feminism. Every fucking time.

>>130286396
If god is perfect he would be real and visable. I think i rather have a real girlfriend than one in my mind. ergo God is not perfect.

If God is omnipotend. Why is there evil in this world? Why was there a hollocaust, Why Stalin, Mao,...,why do innocent people die? ergo God is not omnipotent and not omnicient

>>130291761
I can already tell what these christfags will say
>BBBBBBBB-B-B--B-BUT HE IS OMNIPOTENT, HE IS SMARTER THAN YOU
>DO YOU THINK YOUR STUPID BRAINS CAN UNDERSTAND GOD'S WILL??
>HAHA STUPID ATHEISTS AND THEIR FEDORAS
It's pathetic

>>130291761

See >>130287692 and >>130287862. Do you think an ant would wonder why a person stepped on their anthill and flattened it?

>>130291563
>Your insistence on evidence in a situation where it's already been explained to you that a lack of evidence has no bearing on any assertion is troubling.

Evidence has every bearing on holding a rational belief.

Religious texts aren't evidence, as I can write a book about a character or event - it doesn't make the character or the event real.

It doesn't sound like you know what atheism is. Can you describe it?

I brought up Gnosticism because it's something that will typically follow when people realise they've been mischaracterising atheism.

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>>130292031
HAHA

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>>130286230
yes

>>130292031
No, and ant wouldn't. Because it's fucking stupid.
Human's are not ants, we have brains, we can use logic, we can reason, we can discuss.
But for some reason, you retards refuse to do that, and decide to simply stop thinking, and assume that god knows what he is doing.

>>130291563
"We can't know for sure, so let's just say god wrote that shit"

>>130290769
Atheism: the religion people choose to appear really smart to all their college friends.

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>>130292031
gratz on being on the bottom of the IQ chain but unironically believing that "niggers" are subhumah and dumb

>>130292377
Basically.

If there's chance that even one book was not written by a god when it was purported to be, then books as a whole cannot be used as evidence.

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>>130292537
>Atheism: the religion

hahahahahahaha

>>130292537
>atheism
>religion

>>130291761
Hello Epicurus, sorry but your argument has already been refuted

>>130286396
>Yeah well there may be no proof but my god can hide his existence!
This sounds like middle school playground level discourse.

>>130292537

>I'm triggered by science and facts so i make fun of science and facts in order to feel good about being a dumbass theist retard

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>>130286230
Behind skin color probably.

>>130292537
>Atheism
>Religion

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>>130291761

>Implying the holocaust happened

While deism is reasonable since there's no retarded text to discredit it, religion is just for weaklings that want group validation.
Organized religion is garbage, as are those that participate in it, basically.

>>130286230
>tfw when you aren't Christian but you should always do the opposite of what Jews say and a Jew told you not to follow the bible, so you should follow the bible, but half of it was written by Jews so you shouldn't.

>>130293207
>not knowing what deism is
>thinking deism is reasonable

c'mon /pol/, jesus fucking christ.

>>130291761
>I think i rather have a real girlfriend than one in my mind. ergo God is not perfect.

lol

>Why was there a hollocaust?

please stop

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>>130286230
Not for you Op. All you need to do is look in a mirror.
Gif related.

>>130286230
Look at a world religions map. Now, look at a world map of IQ scores by country.
What a surprise! Could it be that there is a correlation between some religions and some low IQ groups????? Could religion be a by-product of genetics? How can it be possible, and why did the New York Times never mention it?

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Nobody here read Summa Theologica? Dear God, that's why /sci/, /lit/ and other boards tell (((you))) to fuck off.
Btw:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OnSA_Jjh95w
ABSOLUTELY JIDF

>>130293482
>Nobody here read Summa Theologica?

You know full well that nobody here has read anything that wasn't in the curriculum of their high school.

>>130293482
>Dude mindgames lmao

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>>130286230
People who make it their fucking mission to drag religion into the conversation, whether for or against it, are the biggest cringey retards.

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>>130293218
>tfw you remember that they said that they wrote the Bible, therefore they didn't

>>130286230
yes because if they start arguing about the existance of a magical super- spirit, 'atheists' on one side and 'christians' on the other, you know they're intensely shallow human being that read things with no depth and they're probably into politics or some venue they can vent their hate into. No offense or judgement btw

>>130292060

>Evidence has every bearing on holding a rational belief.

Evidence is not a cure-all for determining right and wrong. We aren't talking about trying to figure out which one of your kids pooped in the bathtub. We're talking about ideas and concepts that transcend the physical world and the laws that bind it.

>Religious texts aren't evidence, as I can write a book about a character or event - it doesn't make the character or the event real.

It doesn't make it not real, either, which is the point.

>It doesn't sound like you know what atheism is. Can you describe it?

Atheism is the lack of belief in a god or gods. A-theism. Greek-Latin prefix "a", without, Greek "theos", God. I get it. I'm an atheist.

>I brought up Gnosticism because it's something that will typically follow when people realise they've been mischaracterising atheism.

I'm a little concerned about your conflating Gnosticism with agnosticism but regardless you are missing the point. It's not about what you believe or why you believe it, it's about your standing to determine why and how your beliefs are more valid than another.

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>>130286730
There's a reason all of the genocidal Communist leaders were athiests

>>130292031
Haha. so he is not all loving. He is not even loving at all?? He just made something and then said fuck that thing. It aint my problem anymore.
Why would anyone pray for a god that does not give one shit about you? You are ust an ant

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So the Bible is one of the most backed up books by evidence yet people keep up with the misconception (or child sarcasm?) of "Le kike in a stick" or "Le Magic Skyman"? No wonder why we tend to ignore your hat tippings.

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>>130293367
tard spotted

>>130292667
ssssttt
that is just the first argument. The problem of evil is not and he does not know that

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>>130286230

>>130286230
I got to mass every sunday so I can run into a nice young christian girl

>>130289294
Gott mit uns, though, nigga

>>130293324

some sort of unmoved mover is not at all unreasonable m8.

>>130293764
Without reasonable evidence we can't make rational claims that god(s) likely exist, the default position is atheism (as with any other position of belief, you don't believe in Trolls just because nobody's disproven them - you don't believe in them because there's no reasonable evidence to support that they exist).

If the books are not verifiable as real or not real then it should have no bearing on your belief. You don't believe Spider-Man exists in New York because of the comics books.

Where did I conflate gnosticism/agnosticism? They're two ends of the same spectrum, just as I can address what we're talking about as theism or atheism.

> It's not about what you believe or why you believe it

I think quite strongly that it is, my dude. Including what you lack belief in.

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>>130286230

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>>130286497
how did this thread get 2 replies before someone called you an oven dodger?
When Israel is nuked into a glowing radioactive parking lot by every other nation simultaneously, will you still be coming here to seek validation for your victim complex from hell?
300th time is the charm.

>>130293764
Anyway, if you're an atheist then really this is all pointless and I'd send you back to my original question.

>who insists there is no god?

>gnostic atheism is super fucking rare my dude

Obviously gnostic atheism is retarded.

>>130286230
Yes, atheism and/or Islam is an automatic -20 points to IQ.

>>130294059
So you look like a tard?

>>130286993

Every time i see that pic i think how butthurt someone must have been to make it

>>130286230
No most retards are atheists look it up

Here's how it is

> Is there an omnipotent creator?
Maybe, we may never know. Just saying "you just gotta believe bro" or "bro it's outside our understanding" is not an argument - it's obfuscation.
> Is he of religion x?
Almost certainly not

Now stop arguing

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Atheists can't into William Lane Craig
*sigh*

>>130296704
Craig is an idiot.

>>130297657
Nice ad hom leftist

>>130294513
lol this huge image, learn how to resize fag.

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>>130295115

>not knowing the historical evidence for Christianity that's been around for millenia

God showed very clearly who he was when he came

>>130287306
Imagine having a tiny pea brain like this guy

>>130286230
No but the easiest way to spot a Jew is to roll a coin past him.

>>130299010
God bless you anon

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>>130286230
>Is religion the easiest way to spot retarded people?
It depends on the religion and how you let it influence you.

Islam, bowing down to the whims of your iman - utterly retarded.
Christianity can be both. Giving hope as Jesus even conquered death - positive. Thinking you have to give all your money to televangelists - retarded.
Same with Buddhism. Realizing that life is pain and that you can transcend that - helpful. Burning incense, building temples and all that - retarded.

>>130296704

Richard Dawkins

>>130299840
Only good post

Unironically, yes.

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>>130286230

>>130300331
I don't get it, is this an ironic answer? Because Hitch and Dawkins (the ones I remember of) were refuted, also Dawkins isn't an example for atheists (he sucks at evolution). I was an atheist, William helped me return.

>>130301790
saved

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>>130302113
go back to 9gag fucking newfag

If it weren't for Christianity, Muslims would already rule over Europe. Do you think any pagan faith would have organized that effort? Atheists and their anti-Christian allies are pawns in a war against Western culture.

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>>130302679
Look pennies go get them.

>>130302802
"That effort" being the Crusades

>>130301917
But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them"

You might say that such a call to genocide could never have come from a good and loving God. Any decent bishop, priest, vicar or rabbi would agree. But listen to Craig. He begins by arguing that the Canaanites were debauched and sinful and therefore deserved to be slaughtered. He then notices the plight of the Canaanite children.

"But why take the lives of innocent children? The terrible totality of the destruction was undoubtedly related to the prohibition of assimilation to pagan nations on Israel's part. In commanding complete destruction of the Canaanites, the Lord says, 'You shall not intermarry with them, giving your daughters to their sons, or taking their daughters for your sons, for they would turn away your sons from following me, to serve other gods' (Deut 7.3-4). […] God knew that if these Canaanite children were allowed to live, they would spell the undoing of Israel. […] Moreover, if we believe, as I do, that God's grace is extended to those who die in infancy or as small children, the death of these children was actually their salvation. We are so wedded to an earthly, naturalistic perspective that we forget that those who die are happy to quit this earth for heaven's incomparable joy. Therefore, God does these children no wrong in taking their lives."

Do not plead that I have taken these revolting words out of context. What context could possibly justify them?

>>130303946
"So whom does God wrong in commanding the destruction of the Canaanites? Not the Canaanite adults, for they were corrupt and deserving of judgment. Not the children, for they inherit eternal life. So who is wronged? Ironically, I think the most difficult part of this whole debate is the apparent wrong done to the Israeli [sic] soldiers themselves. Can you imagine what it would be like to have to break into some house and kill a terrified woman and her children? The brutalising effect on these Israeli [sic] soldiers is disturbing."

Oh, the poor soldiers. Let's hope they received counselling after their traumatic experience. A later post by Craig is – if possible – even more shocking. Referring to his earlier article (above) he says:

"I have come to appreciate as a result of a closer reading of the biblical text that God's command to Israel was not primarily to exterminate the Canaanites but to drive them out of the land.[…] Canaan was being given over to Israel, whom God had now brought out of Egypt. If the Canaanite tribes, seeing the armies of Israel, had simply chosen to flee, no one would have been killed at all. There was no command to pursue and hunt down the Canaanite peoples.
It is therefore completely misleading to characterise God's command to Israel as a command to commit genocide. Rather it was first and foremost a command to drive the tribes out of the land and to occupy it. Only those who remained behind were to be utterly exterminated. No one had to die in this whole affair."

So, apparently it was the Canaanites' own fault for not running away. Right.

>>130286993
Oh my sides you continue to meme yourself

>>130286230
Those that support israel.