Who has the most incoherent philosophy, and why is it Jordan Peterson?

>>130273344
Jordan Peterson talks like if you just throw random pages from smart books and read it randomly from floor.

Yet it it still best stuff i seen in years. It is like Trump. If your enemies are losers, you dont have to be top to win.

>>130273344
So what? People tend to repeat themselves when they speak too long. Ben Sharpiro repeats himself constantly when his every lecture is a rephrased version of "equality of opportunity not equality of outcome".

>>130273344
>Who has the most incoherent philosophy

The CIA.... and by extension, OP.

>>130273589
>Ben Sharpiro repeats himself constantly
Ben Shapiro isn't a professor instructing students.

>>130273344
Yeah. I wouldn't trash the guy, since he seems genuine enough, but the stuff of his I've seen it's him wandering around a classroom and spouting off anecdotes and going off on random tangents.

It's all interesting stuff but very janky.

>>130273344
Kek most of todays young people are uneducated and dumb af,they will worship even a subpar at best mediocre intelectual with little to no achievments.
Sic transit gloria mundi est,in the 18th,19th and 20th century nobody would know or care about what he said since its inconsistent and nothong special,most inteligent people have nothing to learn from him.
But today we have an intelectual drought,we are truly aproaching a new dark age....kek.

>>130273344
Are you saying praxeology isn't a coherent philosophy?

>>130273344
ur porn degenerate

/thread

>no thesis I can discern
Maybe that is your problem. Try paying more attention.

>>130273344
He's also selling some self-help series, which amounts to you paying him and his grad students $50 for him to tell you to write in a journal.

I'm sure he will be selling Self-Authoring™ Self-Help seminars and workshops for the low price of $2499 soon enough.

https://www.selfauthoring.com/about.html

>>130273828
He isn't a second coming of Socrates, buddy. He's a professor of psychology that decided to share his own lectures online. There's literally nothing wrong with this

>>130273344
Nothing is new about his opinions.
He seems to misinterpret Darwin and it appears that he's a firm believer in genetic determinism for basically everything.
Besides the fact that these ideas are wrong, they basically render the concept of philosophy useless.
Anyway, he seems like a good teacher. I don't see what the big deal is though.

>>130273344
he's a nupol e-celeb for people who are too lazy to read. what else is there to say?

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>this thread

>>130273981
Describe for me, or summarize his thesis. His lectures are quite repetitive, so it should be simple.

>>130273344
Is there anyone you think is doing a better job while being at all accessible on a mass level?

There are more interesting philosophy lectures, sure, but you need a very specialised vocabulary to follow them which most people dont have and wont develop unless people like Peterson whow them why it's worthwhile.

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>>130273344
That body was MADE for tiny asian dick.

>>130273344
Peterson is fine, stop being autistic.

>>130273344
>they have no thesis that I can discern
If you don't get it you're either:
a. retarded
b. willfully ignorant
or c. a bloody Marxist, so all of the above.

>>130274304
>There are more interesting philosophy lectures, sure, but you need a very specialised vocabulary to follow them
Are you suggesting that /pol/ largely consists of uneducated people?

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>>130274246
>prove to me why I'm wrong by disproving the evidence I don't have.

>>130274246
We embody and act out archetypes that are part of a multitude of dominance hierarchies and this has been the driving force behind our evolution from chimps. Also, religion and myth are narrations of our knowledge of the origin of these dominance hierarchies as well as illustrations of how any archetype functions in the global dominance hierarchy of society. Please tell mr if i am wrong

>>130274246
>summarize a "class" (that's not a thesis) that takes 20h to expose

Kill yourself you mongrel.

>inb4 not an argument

>>130274447
Sum it up for me in bullet points, you don't need to elaborate, just the basics.

>>130274504
Not even uneducated, but people who can't think in terms of systems.
>>130274540
>larp isn't even playing
Sadly, you're right. But I don't believe it's as indispensable as he seems to think it is. /pol/ loves it because they need daddy figures in their lives.

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Reminder.

>>130274657
Fuck you if you didnt want an answer. I may defend JBP and i dont think he has anything ground breaking to say either. Amalgamating information is good as a tool, not as an innovation... at least not in the way he has put it. Also he does repeat himself a lot, but that doesnt take away from the message. Truth is always going to be itself, and there are few ways to describe it.

>>130274246
You complain about him being a 'Joe Rogan' while simultaneously demanding his 30 years of research in bullet points like an energy drink laced ADHD teenager. Go read his book and then see if you can't discern anything.

>>130274540
That's actually a very good summary of his lectures.

>>130274125
>Nothing is new about his opinions
If you are a part of a very small minority, you're right, but overwhelming odds are that you're not.

I'm sure there's a name for this phenomenon where people want to coolly shrug off something new and of great important as "nothing new, we've known this all along". I saw this happen with the Snowden leaks too, and those people who said it wasn't earth-shattering were completely full of shit.

What Peterson lays out is a formidable argument against moral relativism and nihilism that has gone basically unchallenged by intellectuals for decades now.

>>130274691
Yes. Very good. I believe, second only to the creator God, the wisest of the archetypes is the Jester, and perhaps a good Jester both shows other jesters to be nothing more than Jesters while having a good time doing it.

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>>130273344
Have you ever lectured without a prepared script to read? Almost everyone tends to ramble when explaining something relatively complex unless they're reading from a script; there are very few lecturers who don't. It's the reason why many profs prefer to rely heavily on PowerPoint presentations (aside from being lazy shmucks). There were only two profs I had classes with in my undergrad that didn't ramble; one was the head of the department of philosophy and the other was a very, very well respected and published prof focused on philosophy of law (also happened to be my favourite prof).

However, beyond rambling, it's repetition is a lecture technique. When you're lecturing to students, you're trying to drill information into their head. To do this, you typically need to repeat the same thing a couple times (usually phrased differently) because you're talking to people who don't know much about what you're talking about. Repetition helps with both rote memorization and actual retention of information, and rephrasing helps with initial understanding of concepts. If you weren't a retard, you'd know all of this. You can't teach a layman algebraic combinatorics, moral philosophy, or critical theory without simplifying language and repeating and rephrasing ideas so that they're delivered in manageable pieces (trust me on the critical theory bit; even basic stuff has to be rephrased so that inexperienced students can consider the application of ideas outside of the text they come from).

>>130274108
The thing is, most people here don't even consider the fact that he's a psychologist. He's not a philosophy prof, it's not his field. Yes, there is cross-over between the fields, but people ought remember that his work isn't really in the field of philosophy.

>>130274304
This is true as well... from what I've seen his lectures clearly aren't for masters or PhD students, they're for undergrads.

>>130274585
>We embody and act out archetypes that are part of a multitude of dominance hierarchies and this has been the driving force behind our evolution from chimps. Also, religion and myth are narrations of our knowledge of the origin of these dominance hierarchies as well as illustrations of how any archetype functions in the global dominance hierarchy of society
This anon did it in two sentences.

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>>130273344
>Yung

Yung
>Yung
Yung
>Yung

Opinion discarded. SORT.

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>>130275032
That's only a part of one of his lectures.

>>130273344
>clinical psychologist with the IQ of 160 who held professorship at Harvard for years
>BTFO'd by a degenerate NEET on a Spanish knitting board calling him a smarter version of a stoner e-celeb
You need to sort yourself out, son.

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>>130273344
I had to get an "Canadian to English" translator for Justin Trudeau's speeches.
According to the translator, he says things like:
"My butthole itches. Does anyone have a hard dick I can use?"
"Climate change endangers our gays and muslims. That's why we must embrace feminism."
"I need feminism because my vagina cramps."

Here is the big crunch. You cannot learn the real Nietzsche OR Jung from any amount of Peterson's lectures. AT BEST he can get a sample and learn to more easily read their books. AT WORST you will receive develop a parody version of them.

>>130274883
>We embody and act out archetypes that are part of a multitude of dominance hierarchies and this has been the driving force behind our evolution from chimps. Also, religion and myth are narrations of our knowledge of the origin of these dominance hierarchies as well as illustrations of how any archetype functions in the global dominance hierarchy of society
This anon summed up Peterson's bullshit in two sentences.

>>130273993
essential jordan peterson core music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5BLHeOdvYI
make it habit make it happen

>>130273828
>little to no achievments.
B.A. in political science
B.A. in psychology
Ph.D in clinical psychology
associate professor in the psychology department at Harvard University
https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=wL1F22UAAAAJ&hl=en
>check the number of citations of his papers
>most inteligent people have nothing to learn from him
Do you even have a fedora to tip in gypsyland?

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>>130275105
Yes the other are, in my opinion, intellectual museums of the Soviet era. I was interested while being a fanatic for political identitarianism, however after having moved on from that reactionary stance i find it boring. Church history is where its at my friend.
>>130275163
>>130275032
Mfw getting crypto-(You)s

>>130274530
>I don't understand what the frog man says

>>130274691
I love it how you lump world-class scientists with shitty e-celebs whom have done fuck all in this world, and call them all pseudo-intellectual rhetoricians.

>>130275032
>>130275163
Say it again, anon.

>>130275358
>world-class scientists
who?

>>130275110
>muh IQ
When will this meme end

>>130275105
Not really, every one of his lectures boils down to those two sentences.

he's in a pretty great position to lead a cult
considering that he gets like 45k a month from patreon, it seems to pay off

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>>130275469
>meme

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>>130275152
Nietzsche generally doesn't get much love in psychology. He was kinda sorta a proto-Freud if you squint your eyes and tilt your head, but not really. He wasn't a psychologist. There's an application for his moral philosophy in psychology, sure, but actual psychologists have already taken what they can from him and repacked it into a "psychology format," if you will. Those are the important figures in the microcosm of psychology, because they speak the language and apply the ideas in a relevant manner.

Saying Nietzsche is important to psychology is kind of like saying Aristotle is important to psychology. I mean, they both had moral philosophies, didn't they? Again, I think this is an issue of people not realizing that Peterson is a PSYCHOLOGIST and not a PHILOSOPHER.

Can a man get sauce on the OP bitch that got deleted?

>>130275447
Kaku for one.
>inb4 he hasn't done shit
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_field_theory

>>130273570
It's so frustrating to listen to him crush an argument 80% of the way, go on a tangent, get stuck in the weeds- open to attack, get interrupted by his childish and worse opponent/tv host, and utterly lose the PR aspect of his philosophy.

>>130275447
dawkins and chomsky. I looked at the pic for 5 seconds, I'll bet there are more.

>>130273344
Repetition leads to your audience believing the stuff you have said. Its a method that I find amazing. And Jordan Peterson is a man whom I enjoy hearing the voice of

>>130275564
this
he is headed in that direction.

>>130274691
>Christopher Hitchens a pseudointellectual
Please kill yourself as soon as possible

>>130275698
>focused on winning/losing
You're doing the right shit for the wrong reasons.

>>130273344
Should do more than just delete the file. They should 3 day ban the faggots that are infesting this place with degenerate porn to bait you into their shit threads

>>130275837
Indeed he is. From his patreon page
>I am now starting to formalize my plans to bring accredited online humanities education to as many people as possible around the world.

>>130275747
>Dawkins and Chomsky
>World class scientists
Please do the world a favor and kill yourself

>>130273344
>Who has the most incoherent philosophy


Criticizes incoherency.
Cant spell Jung


>YUNG
>YUNG

>>130275086
This. Clean your room OP >>130273344

i didn't make the image but

>>130275692
>ctrl+f michio kaku
>3 results
>his AMA claims he's 'co-founder of string theory'
what did he mean by this?
bloated pop scientist who receives too much attention

>>130275747
people like dawkins because of his retard-tier thoughts on everything that isn't biology
chomsky on anything but linguistics is insufferable

>>130275843
fun, but he really was a horrible sophist

>>130276017
dawkins is a world class evo biologist and invented the meme
chomsky is one of the most respected linguists and teaches at MIT.
kys

>>130276077
You do realize the IQ difference between any one of those people and you is larger than between the average human and a chimpanzee, right?

You're going full potato here.

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>>130275624
> He was kinda sorta a proto-Freud if you squint your eyes and tilt your head, but not really.

Actually. no.

Freud deliberately did not read Nietzsche because he had heard enough to know that basically with all his good ideas, Nietzsche was there first.

>>130276017
Chomsky has an h-index of 161 and his work spans linguistics, math and computer science.

you might not agree with his politics but he is absolutely a world class scientist.

Peterson is not an elitist. Which to me is funny. Some people really are just biological dead ends. Take for instance his disdain for young men giving up on society. He never acknowledges that if society really did have something to offer them they put down the gamepad and go on with life. Embracing challenge and responsibility still might only lead to one being average. No one cares about average. If they are to die is it really such a bad thing? And that's that.

OP is from leftypol, i've seen him post this exact shit before

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>>130276651
Wouldn't surprise me, thought leading shills always want you to do the work for them so they can exploit your weak spots. It's such a lazy technique really.

>>130273344
Thank fucking God people are finally catching onto how much of a fucking hack this faggot Peterson is. It's the same fucking vague pseudo-philosophical ramblings about getting your life in order every single fucking time I see him. In my mind, he offers the fucking McDonald's of right-wing philosophy. He just barely manages to say something genuinely insightful once in a blue moon as any fucking professor can be expected to.

The_donald fucking worships the ground he walks on though, it's fucking proud boys level confusing cringe. I just don't get the fascination with him, he's completely fucking forgettable and dull.

>>130273344
still better than marx

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>>130276651
>>130276791
The hate has always been forced and cringeworthy, anyone remember that one Canadian faggot that used to sperg in every thread?
I bet it's assmad Harris fanboys mad their boi doesn't have decent memes

>>130276367
He didn't invent the meme, he just described something that had existed for thousands of years big fucking deal

Chomsky can do linguistics but other than that he really doesn't give a shit about empirical evidence or valid interpretations of complex realities

Both of them can fuck off with their neo marxist bullshit
>>130276490
I don't give a shit about how much his fellow marxist profs respect him

>>130274540
This statement is what the guy meant by nothing new. Winning means continuing to be allowed to play across the set of all games. He never brings up prison or race and poverty in politics because he's canadian tho.
Peterson is our era's Timothy Leary: extremely relevant in the current state of affairs, far more famous and influential than anyone will admit, but with a clean record, not a drug enthusiast and promoting tradcon relationships.
Tim Leary inspired a whole litany of the current era's influencers- think bill mahr.
Imagine the impact the followers of peterson will have considering his rhetoric is freely available, culturally accepted and positive.
>what is his thesis?
Knowing your own personality types (the ones you were born with) will allow you to achieve greater success and happiness. Furthermore, understanding it's origin and past success/failires in the evolution of the species and society allows you to seek and achieve more realistic goals that must include having a happy family and healthy children.
>literally saving western civilization
>provides new personality tests with a greater level of accuracy
>online psychological evaluation of self
>putting everything on the line to fight a marxist takeover in his society (actually fighting the power rather than just doing drugs and dropping out of the game)
>highly successful (proving it works)
>popular (social proof)
>free content for days (not in it for the money)
>reinvesting in the cause (not wasting the money he gained)
>not welcome in his own country/could be imprisoned at any moment (literally dying for our sins)
>the great redeemer (the penultimate archetype that cannot be chosen by you, the people must choose it for you)
>is literally Canadian Jesus

>>130277131
>>130276791
>>130276651
>bawww he called out my cult leader as shallow surface-level philosophy, better call him a shill!!!!
go donate your life savings to heaven's gate or something, that's the path you're on

>>130277188
>I don't give a shit
And nobody gives a fuck what you think because your h-index is 0.

>>130277299
Just like yours welcome to the club

>>130277188
>He didn't invent the meme, he just described something
>Chomsky can do linguistics
kek

>>130277332
Wrong.

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>>130277377
Oh hello Noam didn't think you'd give us the honor

Always wanted to tell you to fuck off in person

>>130276403
brain full of trash

>>130277445
How stupid are you? Was implying that my h-index is not 0.

>>130276565
I want to disagree with you but you make a good point, like nihilism does in general.
However, we both know where nihilism leads, it't definitely something one would want to avoid, no ?

>No one cares about average.

But they should. Average in this day and age I way better than being a low life social outcast.
Majority of people have shitty uncontrolled lives, and they are a chaotic mess.
Just having your life in order man, it puts you ahead by a huge margin.
JBP teaches us to take responsability, get our life in order, and get to know who we are, where are we going, and why we're going where we're going.

> Take for instance his disdain for young men giving up on society.

At least he's trying his best to change that. Sure, he seems disdainful, but he's not, otherwise he wouldn't be doing things he does.
Unless you think he's dishonest.

>>130277262
Again with a little thought leading narrative intended to stoke the primordial terror of social rejection. Boring.

>>130277607
Have you signed up for his self-help program yet?
lol

>>130277196
It's pretty ironic that his name is Jordan, the river the israelites had to cross to settle in the promised land and where Jesus was baptised

In a way you could say that we are currently enslaved by the marxists and the only way for us to break free is to undertake a long journey of the mind that needs to include the principles Jordan is always talking about to finally regain our place in the world

I can't express it much better but I think you know what I mean

>>130277540
Yeah I bet you get cited a lot, you do know that quotations on 4chan don't count right?

>>130274920
> I saw this happen with the Snowden leaks too
Of fucking course they're spying on everyone. There's barely been anyone who didn't believe it since fucking 2001.

>>130277815
i bet you dropped out of high school and that's why you think all journal citations are a marxist fabrication

as your leader would say, sort yourself out my friend

>>130277725
I think you mean if you are looking for signs you will find them.
If youre a "communist" youtuber that resents peterson for being the father you never had, being a college professor (your dream) and being successful in the free market than those signs will turn you into OP.
Bloody neomarxists.
>not only am i not happy, but noone else can be
>i see no reason to live, so noone else can
>p-petersons the bad guy tho
>c-cuz...
>...
>reasons

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>>130277917
How cute, he's getting mad

I certainly know that your existence is a marxist fabrication, you're just frustrated that your two tranny parents aborted your three brothers and now you're alone in this deep dark world with shitting up /pol/ as your only pleasure

>>130276403
Chomsky is a fucking chore to listen to and constantly deflects, wasting half an hour getting nowhere. Complete waste of time listening to him, it's just pilpul.

>>130278070
that is a very specific image you've painted in your head of me, are you sure you're not projecting your own childhood onto other people?

>>130276490
>spend decades circlejerking with other Marxist professors over muh universal grammar
>get btfo by the piraha
>turns out computer systems based on his ideas of computational linguistics fucking suck ass
>"Every time I fire a linguist, the performance of our speech recognition system goes up." - the guy who led the IBM team that later cofounded Renaissance Technologies

Chomsky can go fuck himself.

>>130277984
>I think you mean if you are looking for signs you will find them.
Absolutely, what's focal is causal as Cialdini pointed out
I hope the story of Jordan Peterson will be one branch on the tree that we need to climb to successfully overcome this era of chaos

>>130277725
>the only way for us to break free is to undertake a long journey of the mind that needs to include the principles Jordan is always talking about
You Peterson fans are fucking ultra-cringe man. What the fuck are you even saying? "We have to take a long journey of the mind" I'm sorry but that is just fucking empty NONSENSE. That is a perfect example of the sort of bullshit pseudo-philosophy Jordan shits out. Utterly fucking worthless, meaningless, vague, pointless rambling. I actively hate this man because he is wasting all your time with empty fucking bullshit.

I actually want to believe you're all just pulling my leg, you don't really idolize him at all, you're all doing it ironically, because I can't for the life of me see what any of you find interesting about this cuckservative Canadian college professor.

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>>130278265
>Leaf
I'm just pretty good at telling fortunes

>>130278527
>I actively hate this man because he is wasting all your time with empty fucking bullshit.
Maybe you would see something if you yourself weren't that empty

Go back to your Adolf shrine and pretend to be an atheist

>>130276077
>Kaku
He's by and large off the rails, but this paper was an extremely important contribution to string theory.

https://journals.aps.org/prd/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevD.10.1110

>>130278649
>Maybe you would see something if you yourself weren't that empty
Ahahahhahaha another typically empty pseudo-philosophical "zinger" I've come to expect from you Jordanfags, all desperately trying to imitate their newfound literally-who guru

Pure fucking cringe all bastard day, I want to leave but I can't, seeing people talk in these threads is like watching a train crash in slow motion, I'm just addicted to seeing how fucking autistic you can make youself look while thinking you sound wise as fuck.

>>130278352
Im deferring to the Timothy Leary point on that one. Everyone who was anyone in the 90's pre 9/11 paradise of western civilization knew who he was and either loved him or hated him. They used him as a talking point in many political debates about drug policy, the war on drugs, and being a responsible working beatnik that votes for reform versus a wistless hippy duechebag. He was a shining example for many of the fatherless children of the 60's and many more who simply rejected their fathers outright.
Peterson is in the same boat as much than a mere influencer. He is the logical rejection of postmodernist hysteria and victim culture in the same way Thomas Sowell slaughtered marxist economics.
The constant chimpouts against him are always nihilistic, never coherent. Power hungry politicans claim he is pure evil because he comitted the high crime of having been born with white skin and a penis. The cognitive dissonance is staggering.
The "millenial" generation was split into 2 extremely unequal sides and most people still dont see the signifigance of this.
-will cont. if interested...

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>>130277593
>Unless you think he's dishonest.

He has this belief that pathology is ended when a person interacts with the wider world and society in a moral way. What I'm saying is that selection is taking place - many men no longer have an obviously valuable role to step into as bread winner. So now they have no role and no motivation to claim responsibilities. So they drop out. It's almost Darwinian but not quite, here's why.

Natural selection has it's goal in reproduction, and ends in death. Society, such as it has grown today, casts many young men into the shadow. But those men are still alive, they are not dead, and therefore still undergoing selection. In their souls will grow monsters. I think we've seen the beginning of this with GG and the Trump election. I don't know how it will play out.

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>>130278882
I don't care about some adolfcuck's opinion
Maybe you weren't that salty if your dear leader hadn't sucked semite dick all his life

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>>130278967
>What I'm saying is that selection is taking place - many men no longer have an obviously valuable role to step into as bread winner
Wrong.
It's just funneled through the state now, removing any reward for it.

>>130274920
Exactly this. He is also making a stance for conservative points of view on campuses and batteling canada governments degeneracy.

>>130278965
I very much agree, we're currently at a civilizational schism unprecedented in human history and I'm very excited to see what comes out of this, if it even happens in our lifetime

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>>130279186
When will you reclaim the western shores

>>130278965
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As far as i have seen, the only "millenials" that will engage with his materials are regretful roasties. The OMG Kim Kardashian Tinder sluts that are just now realizing spending their youth collecting stds and fatherless children was a mistake. You cannot collect child support from deug dealer because his income is off the books. The "nice guy"s are already married to better women that dont have hiv and their kids arent allowed to play with eachother. The rest hate his guts out of sheer resentment.
There is a another group that is much more important and deserves the proper discussion but never gets it.
This last generation was split between "millenials"[approx. 90%] and Generation War. From them, we have given birth to the bluepilled gen z-ers [approx. 90%] and what is now cringefully referred to as Generation Zyklon.
-will cont. if interested...

>>130274920
>>I'm sure there's a name for this phenomenon where people want to coolly shrug off something new and of great important as "nothing new, we've known this all along"
It's called "people being more informed than you and not giving a shit because you're twelve and everything is new to you and they're not so they have actual lives to care about".

>>130279071
>Maybe you weren't that salty if your dear leader hadn't sucked semite dick all his life
says the petersonfag

>>130279071
And there it goes, the pretense of being a mature intellectual fucking melts away instantly as soon as your "wise motherfucker" act is put under the slightest bit of pressure. Just shows how fucking fake you faggots are. You all come to your gay little Peterson circlejerk to make yourself feel wise and smart and then you go right back to "lmao suck dick cuck faggot top kek" the next minute.

Get a fucking grip on reality you sad, pathetic sacks of fucking shit. Stop wasting your time with Peterson, he's a fucking hack and he'll teach you absolutely nothing of value.

>>130275086
waiting for someone to pick that bait out. thank you. OP is faggot

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>>130279553
Where are you?
>>130279482
That's the best thing you could come up with? Jesus

>>130277196
You are absolutely right. People just love to hate on this board. But the fact is that this guy has achieved far more in combatting marxists than almost any other so called e-celeb. He's amassed a significant amount of followers and the financial means to actually change the way things are going, not just at universities.

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>>130274304
>Is there anyone you think is doing a better job while being at all accessible on a mass level?

Yes, Roger Scruton.

But most people on /pol/ haven't heard of him because he doesn't stand around campus arguing with retarded SJWs and being "BASED".

>>130279812
>peterson is not the biggest kike lover on the internet
are you sure you want to hold that position?

>>130279929
Oh God, it's the "it's not race, it's culture" guy. Fools, Frauds and Firebrands was good though.

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>>130279981
He's competing with cuckdolf then since he literally liked juicy jewish dick smashing his butthole

>>130279353
Just a tourist. Not interested in starting a war with chile. Also chile is the more civilized country.

>>130279250
Exactly.
Petersons extended archetypal personality mechanics is the only psychological discussion that includes this dichotomous break and its implications.
Without saying woke, lets just gloss over the two narratives- because everyone is well versed in them- and dive straight into the implications.
Marxism is entirely based in the resentment of haves vs have-nots.
Young males of any race that ever so much as mention anything near a conservative talking point are being beaten and tortured online for all to see. They are expelled from school, arrested for hate speech, and can now be legally stripped of their parents and placed into a pedophile reeduction camp. This same thing was happening in my generation to anyone that recognized Saddam Hussein as the single most evil person that ever lived. I was in the environmental science magnet in my shit city school because they let us go outside, and the last white male teacher we had was fired for breaking down the quarter of a billion people that were starved to death after Saddam single handed and purposefully destroyed baghdad bay- the largest, oldest, most biodiverse brackish water estuary on Earth just so noone could resist his might. The only other people from my city that i met in the army over 7 year period all had this same teacher at this same school. He was the father we never had, and he was punished for it, for standing up to evil at great personal cost, and it radicalized all of us.
This is what Peterson is for the entirety of Generation Zyklon. And worse, he knows it. He admitted on shit-rogan that he was the double edged sword. But if no one else will talk about the dichotomy that does not mean it will disappear.
-will cont. if interested...

>>130279812
In a Peterson thread trying to bring you autistic faggots back to reality, away from that catatonic "journey in your mind"

>>130280161
I don't really care whether adolf liked the kike cock. But you seem to care that peterson does.

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>>130280238
Tell me more about the reality you see on the wall, caveman

>>130280211
>He was the father we never had
AHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
Oh god it gets worse and worse with you lot, you faggots are literally wishing he was your dad. Peterson fans are just fucking pathetic.

>>130277593
He's making bank telling young men they're inadequate, and to keep tilting at windmills. That's self-help charlatanism 101. Dishonest? It may be applicable to some of those young men. Point is Peterson doesn't care if it's honest, he just wants to convince these young men to believe him.

>>130280381
Talking down to me only amuses me more, because it's coming from a creature as lowly as you, someone who couldn't fucking figure out how to clean his room before an old man from Canada told him how.

It's surprising how alien a message of basic psychological health, order, and ethics is to many people.

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>>130279128
>It's just funneled through the state now, removing any reward for it.

Precisely the point, although I would like to know if you have a detail demographic break down on Swedish tax payers, are young men really dropping out in significant quantities or are they bouncing along the bottom in unhappy lives or something else altogether? My inquiry has come to an impasse.

>It belongs to the great imperfection of all things human that in order to possess knowledge one must first be ignorant.

>>130280574
You're very poor if you really think everything has to always be interpreted literally

Chances are you're an evolutionary dead end with that attitude, must feel pretty shallow to know that your ancestors managed to survive through 3.5 billion years and the line ends with (you)

>>130280586
Actually that's the frustrating part for me, it isn't that I think what he's saying is invalid, rather that it should be fucking common knowledge here on /pol/ of all places so when I see people worshiping his basic bitch conservative philosophy, trating him like a guru, I pick up an overwhelming scent newfag cuck in the air.

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>>130280586

I think most of it is coming from people who want to stay i their luxury NEET comfort zone instead of becoming adults.

>t-top kek (((e-celebs))))
>w-what kind of faggot advocates taking responsibility for your life
>stop making me feel inadequate reeeeeee

>>130280211
The quarter of a billion people that were starved to death after Saddam single handed and purposefully destroyed baghdad bay- the largest, oldest, most biodiverse brackish water estuary on Earth just so noone could resist his might.

Had never heard of this. Not too versed in 80s-90s global politics.. will research now
>-will cont. if interested...
Please do

>>130280931
>You're frustrated that more people want to know how they can lead a better life by getting their ethics and moral principles in order
You must be one of the people that freaks out when one of their peers gets one scoop of icecream too many

>>130279920
Trying to change what is coming- yes.
Getting credit for it- no.
We know the marxists are out in the streets releasing their existential angst on innocent people for the crime of wrong think.
Peterson is the only person that has wver acknowledged the backlash that ALWAYS comes from this.
Disgust.
A small minority of the last generation was willing to fight evil. We were punished for it. A much larger minority is being punished for their skin color, hetero-nature, want for a tradcon family of wife and kids, unwillingness to become a tranny, and for simply being male.
The new evil is the violent left of the elite US political class. Their lack of critical thinking and foresight is overencumbered by the proliferation of this violence. They choose their own oppressors and attack at will. They are killing cops, conservative students, and now even republican politicians. Then they blame these very kids who are still in school who could not possibly be to blame.
The kekistani fags are just the beginning. They are cringe worthy try hards that troll in real life. The violent backlash against them is what is important.
What do the kids see at the clashes? Grown ups that make arguments with facts and reason being attacked.
But by whom? This is the pinnacle of Petersons teaching. What symbolism is being expressed for all to see? Who is really oppressing who? And why?
Red Flags with a Hammer and Sickle.
Black Flags with ISIS labels.
Drug addicts, atheists, democrats, trannies, and muslims killing cops and white people.
They are burning down their own neighborhoods.
>what do you think they will be willing to do to you?
The disgusting nature of these freaks leads to people to call for a cleansing fire. >the parasites must be purged
This is how fascism happens. That is petersons warning. If nothing else, these faggot communists who make these threads should be using this argument to calm down their friends.

>>130280893
You're a fucking turbo-autist if you think there's seriously anything worth extrapolating philosophically from being told to clean your fucking room. This guy hit the nail on the head >>130280538 you're idolizing the man because you are, in some respect, a fucking failure without a father figure. JP knows your weakness, he knows what you want and he's giving you all the safest, basic bitch self help tips you can get and you idolize him like he's a fucking saint.

>>130280931

>values and principles aren't the important thing
>the important thing is to wave your dick around and say "I figured this out before all you other faaaaaags lmao"

Sounds like you might just be a little bitch m80

>>130280211
>This same thing was happening in my generation to anyone that recognized Saddam Hussein as the single most evil person that ever lived.
What the fuck are you on about? Every American thought this, it's called buying into propaganda.

>>130281241
I don't idolize him, I just see what he wants to achieve and I believe in his honesty to really strive for that goal

You're literally using the same playbook as the marxists by making everything about power and oppression

If you're really on the same side as the fundaments of western civilization you should stop treating your allies like your enemies

The cleaning your room thing isn't so much about philosophy than it is about building up microhabits that make your life more fulfilling and help you to stop avoiding confrontation with your problems and if you don't consider the fact that his message seriously helps people get their act together, I don't know what you'd even consider good then

>>130281027
Didnt label my final post. I would say that my teacher was the first redpill. When he was fired for trying to get us to join the army (which plenty of us eventually did) that was #2.
Besides porn, the internet wasnt really active back then. Seeing Chris Hitchens defend the war in iraq led to me look him up. I managed to download his axis of evil lecture on fucking KAZAA-fuck im old. That would be #3.
Looking into Sadaam was hard without google. It was the public library that laid out his destruction of Baghdad Bay as it was one of the reasons the left back then wanted him overthrown in 89. I believe he had finished his work in 82 and 5 years of draught had already taken its toll to the tune of 100million. There was a mass exintion event in the middle east that still goes completely ignored to this day.

>>130281601
>If you're really on the same side as the fundaments of western civilization you should stop treating your allies like your enemies
define those fundaments

>>130281671
I don't think I can give you an universal definition because civilizational fundaments aren't as easy to empirically get a grip on as their consequences but in my point of view the most basic fundament of western civilization are moral values and the stories of our ancestors, specifically the inherent moral values of christianity and cultural traditions

>>130281258
Fucking reality is the important thing. Action is the important thing. Not endlessness contemplation about philosophical minutia.

>>130281943
If you can't clearly and concisely state the fundaments of western civilization, how can you accuse someone of being against them?

>>130281671
>>130281943
It's easy to define concepts, hard to define reality. To hazard a quick guess: Western civilization is not a single thing, but an amalgamation of (1) the culture of the vanished classical world, (2) the Christian religion, and (3) the Northern barbarians. It's like a bag of memes growing and developing through time in the European people.

Not an intellectually satisfying answer I know but right now it's the best I can do.

>>130282074

Well then go and enact something instead of resentfully tearing down someone who's trying to help so you can have le contrarian 4chan badboy points.

>>130282250
You're the contrarian here, cuck.

>>130282353

Yeah I'm done with you, just /b/-tier rubbish.

>>130282449
Ok, now carry on with the thread and write something hilariously autistic so I can laugh at you.

>>130276490
Chomsky is a shit tier linguist though, his theory that "language is hard-wired to our brains" has been rebutted, because his initial research only included indo-european languages. OF COURSE RELATED LANGUAGES HAVE THE SAME COMPONENTS. But further research suggests that other languages do not follow the same logic as indo-european ones. He was only popular because he put forth a universal theory of language, which was very desirable in the 70s as progamming languages started popping up. One language to rule as all.

He will live long enough to see his "contribution" to linguistics destroyed. That's his curse. And a blessing for the rest of us.

>>130282175
First of all I didn't say you were against them, I said you're using the same playbook as the people who are against it

Second even though these fundaments are in my opinion not 100% clear, I know for sure that moral values rooted in our traditions are a core part of them and if I see people who want to destroy these values and traditions then I'm pretty certain they're fighting against what I regard as good so they are my enemies
>>130282208
Absolutely, all these things have to be taken into account which is why the traditions of our ancestors play a very important for the fabric of what we call western civilization

>>130282449
Glad to have this oppurtunity to derial this communist faggots thread. Hope you remember this day a tranny with a nose ring went on the internet and tried to tell you being a good person makes you an idiot. Cheers m8

>>130273344
Peterson himself said the virtue he values the most is truth, which definitely can appear incoherent because the truth leads just about everywhere. You can learn one truth, and come to a conclusion that seems airtight, but then you learn another truth that can shatter that previous conclusion, and another and another. Following the truth can appear... unstable.. fluid? But it only appears that way because you generally need to change your own perspective to accept a new truth that has the potential to shatter your old identity

>>130282624
Check the IDs more often.

How big of a role does race play in the fundaments of western civilization?

>>130282693
Although I'd say there are truths that are more valid than others and if the rules our ancestors lived by for thousands of years are a big reason for why they survived, I'd call that a pretty big truth to live by then

>>130274540
I would actually say those things are points he makes to support his central idea of proper progress. Really, that is what its all about, to me at least. Identifying the correct measures of success, then determining a method for measuring them, and then formulating a hypothesis as to the best way of achieving it. I'd say its something like:

The measurement of life success can be largely subjective, but areas of analysis can be cross-examined and compared to create some level of objective measurement. These areas typically point to something that resembles an evolutionary model, showing certain strategies and emphasis of certain attributes, over long periods of time, provide the highest level of success across different levels of analysis. This evolutionary model, while now best seen through the method of cross examination of objective measures, has been studied and examined in the past through mythology and the creation and refinement of archetypes through the cultural Darwinism and clash of people and civilizations. These archetypes amount to something of a collective consciousness which people can then attempt to embody as a means of transcendence of the self.

>>130280931
But when certain things *aren't* common knowledge, they should be spread, no? I don't agree with everything he says (he particularly fails to understand what fascism is), but he has a good and useful message. I don't get any cultish vibes from him whatsoever, he seems like a humble guy who just wants to help people. Some people latch on to him more than necessary, but that's not his fault.

>>130282803
Tradition implies ancestry, ancestry implies cultural homogenity

I think the idea of race is very real but historically it has happened really often that tribes fought against each other, one of them won and the men of that tribe impregnated the women of the other tribe

That happened God knows how often in the last at least 300.000 years which is the age of the oldest homo sapiens fossil ever found so we'd have to admit that the reality of races essentially originates first from geographical dispersal of human populations and second from the intertribial mixing among those geographically dispersed population

I'm not sure how big of a role race should play in the concept of western civilization but I do understand that a black europe would be an extension of africa

>>130280931
Its not that people don't know most of what he is saying, its that he is explaining it in a way that it reveals itself more clearly and fully. He talks about the phenomenon of revelation if you actually watched his content.

>>130283055
>Some people latch on to him more than necessary, but that's not his fault.
That's where we'll have to disagree. I think he's playing his audience like a fucking piano, he realized he gained a sudden following so he's doing all he can to identify the sort of person following him and pander to them.

>But when certain things *aren't* common knowledge, they should be spread, no?
I agree, but when generic conservative philosophy ends up on a board called "politically incorrect" I have to wonder why it's here, they don't need to bring it here.

>>130283765
>That's where we'll have to disagree. I think he's playing his audience like a fucking piano, he realized he gained a sudden following so he's doing all he can to identify the sort of person following him and pander to them.

He is giving people the content they are asking for. I get no dishonest vibes from him, his message seems consistent and genuine. I don't see how he is "playing" anybody, most of his content is online for free, nobody is getting scammed.

>I agree, but when generic conservative philosophy ends up on a board called "politically incorrect" I have to wonder why it's here, they don't need to bring it here.

I know what you mean, but the fact is, a lot of people who hang out here aren't in the best place in life, and before anybody can create productive, political change, they need to get their own shit together. Is a Peterson thread that might actually help certain people in their own life really taking that much space away from the millionth Pagan vs Christian or "What's wrong with race mixing?!?" thread?

>>130284783
>I don't see how he is "playing" anybody, most of his content is online for free, nobody is getting scammed
>the fact is, a lot of people who hang out here aren't in the best place in life
That's what I mean, he's basically using an audience of fuckups to stay relevant but the thing is I don't think his advice is very helpful at all. He doesn't seem to challenge his audience much at all, he'd rather they stuck listening to him than "growing" if you will, trying to portray himself as a guru to these people and I find that quite disingenuous.

I'm sure when he was arguing with those trannymonsters it was all genuine, but now it's just become a cult of personality and he's totally playing up to it.

>>130273344
As far as I can tell, his thesis is that we all need to find a way to fufill the ancient myths in our personal life, sort ourselves out, rescue our father from the underworld, etc. Doing this leads to happiness because these stories are models for nearly all cultures, so we all tend to think these mythological characters are the greatest archetype of success.

>>130285812
>he's basically using an audience of fuckups to stay relevant but the thing is I don't think his advice is very helpful at all.

Finally we get to the core of what you're saying... To that I say only time will tell where JP's people are going to go.

Jordan Peterson fan, Is this a good reading list? Where do i start?

https://jordanbpeterson.com/2016/11/book-list/

>>130285812
Can you please, for the love of god, explain to me how did you come to the following conclusions:

>he's basically using an audience of fuckups to stay relevant
>He doesn't seem to challenge his audience much at all, he'd rather they stuck listening to him than "growing" if you will, trying to portray himself as a guru to these people
>he's playing his audience like a fucking piano, he realized he gained a sudden following so he's doing all he can to identify the sort of person following him and pander to them.

It just boggles my mind how did you come up with this. What made you think this ? Where did you get the impression that he's doing these things ?

Like, you're just making stuff up, something that can be said about anyone.

The fact is, he's as genuine as one can get, he's highly cosistent in his opinions, views, and the way he's expressing himself.

Your 1st and 3rd quote can be said about anyone, and for the 2nd one, he's literally telling people to grow the fuck up, and get their shit in order.

He's been releasing videos on youtube for years, and he still does, all that's changed is the "sudden following" because his views resonate with people, and he became popular only because of one viral video that he didn't even make.

>>130286869
Go from top to bottom, I think he's already done a pretty good ranking there

>>130273344
You have to remember he is a clinician, not a theoretician.

Talking to clients in a way that's engaging and allows them to apply some sort of structure to their lives and self-image is literally his job and that's what he's teaching his students.

The actual models, the proof for their accurate correspondence to reality, and so on are just a side-note and the students have reading material to catch up on that on their own time in a systematic matter anyway.

>>130286869
I'm surprised by that list. Not what I would have expected. He talks about absorbing the Western Canon, that list is light on old school classics.

>>130286869
>Road To Wigan Pier
>terrifying

The most triggering it gets is calling out middle class lefties on being decadent and repulsive to the common working man they claim to champion.

>>130291086
*I would still greatly recommend it for exactly that. It's a perfect literary example of the Dumbledore meme.

>Yes, yes, very good, lefties, very good.
>HOWEVER

They liked the first part but the second part triggered lefties so much they went as far as to remove it from some editions.