UBI SUCK IT CONSERVATIVES

>>130270046
Hawaiian bankruptcy when?

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>>130270046
i want to see this happening. bankrupt within 1 year

>>130270376
Eventually all of humanity W
will be on UNI as automation ramps up. Amazon alone will kill millions of jobs.
Why would anyone want to wor

>>130270046

Lol why wouldn't millions of people try to move to hawaii to live easy life in tropical paradise?

Business on the islands is already expensive due to obvious reasons, it's going to be even more with the taxes necessary for such a program.

>>130270046
>tfw was trying to get money from VCs to start a company there

Holy shit did I dodge a bullet if this actually goes through.

Where do give me dats think their magic free money is going to come from?

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The NIT is where only a poor person who was left without a job because the modern job crises receives $15,000 enough to live on because they were in need.

The UBI is where millionaires and billionaires like mark cuckstain receive $3000 in their mailbox and the poor cant afford shit because its ""universal"" and had to pay for everyone rather than targeting the people who were screwed over by the automated economy.

Nice welfare system UBI cucks.
You didnt think it through too much.

>>130270046
If you don't move to Hawaii and use the basic income to buy gold you're a fucking idiot.

I work a minimum wage job right now. Gives me everything I need, barely. I don't want a gf because women are shit, I don't go out because frankly I don't care about it, all I do is work out, internet, and work on my hobbies (Climbing and art).

Even though it would technically benefit me, as I could afford a better lifestyle..It's a bad idea. You know why? Because if that happened here, I'd instantly leave my job. Why the FUCK would I bother working as a slavewage when I can maintain my lifestyle with UBI?


I kinda wish Islam would just conquer us already so we can get it over with instead of it being so drawn out.

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>>130270694
More people move to Hawaii to get money
ergo more people to buy things in Hawaii
ergo more businesses will invest in branches in Hawaii
ergo corporations will spend more into taxes in Hawaii
ergo Hawaii will have more money to pay for UBI
ergo more people, more gibs

Basically, it's a positive feedback loop. They just need to nix WIC, government housing, and subsidies, and they will save enough money for UBI.

Basic income/Old minimum wage = cost of living increase

>>130270959
It's not fair to appropriate the wealth of those richer than you and not give them anything in return.

>>130271191
8/8 b8 m8

>>130270046
Have you been to Hawaii? I have. It's a total shithole full of drug addicts and homeless people EVERYWHERE.

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>>130271272
well have fun being a cuck and believing in a cuck system

i personally dont care about sending welfare checks to billionaires

>>130271220
not true theres still competition

ur logic says that everyone should stay poor and that will keep the costs down

>>130271418
the problem is jews get rid of them and everything just falls into place

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>>130271293
Far better than them destroying the economy anyways. Because hospitals can never turn away the sick, all of the homeless, jobless people will end up repeatedly going to hospitals, hospitals which they can't pay for. Giving them a stipend to live off of is far better than letting them fuck up the healthcare sector even more.

Healthcare and Social Security account for half of our yearly expenditure. UBI for everyone, no more no less, would be far cheaper.

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Thank god I didn't decide to move back and live there as a teen

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>>130271469
>for everyone
see>>130270959

worst idea of all time

milton freidman supported a negative income tax

>>130270046
Hol up.
So will any American just be able to move to Hawaii and live on basic income?

>>130271059
because you cant. do you pay rent or buy groceries? thats where your ubi utopia will gravitate towards. why the fuck should i not charge you more for the milk you buy or the apartment you live in. obviously you are well off with the welfare you receive.

>>130270046

Doesn't Hawaii have a massive drug problem

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>>130271613
no because you can easily put it in the law that you had to be a state resident for however many years

how dumb are you people

>>130270046

One word: Alaska.

>>130270046
i'm moving to the first country that implements this and milking the hell out of it while it lasts

Literally Welfare Island. Fucking retarded leftist scum.

>>130270046
UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME = DEMOCRATIC NIGGER GIBSMEDAT VOTE PLANTATION V2.0

>>130271613
Americans can move anywhere within the country at any time. If more cucks move to Hawaii, it'll ease some of the strain on everyone else. Meanwhile Hawaii will be one giant metropolitan island chain with 30 million people living there.

>>130271730
calm down muhammad

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>>130270046
Why? Their unemployment rate is low as fuck

>>130271675
>could
yeah, thats why I was asking. I have no idea how states rights in the US work.

>>130271628
simple We nationalize rent and institute price controls. Charge people who raise rent or it cost of goods with a crime

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Basic universal income replaces most to all welfare right? It seems like it could kind of work and in the end save the state money as it would massively cut down bureaucracy. I'd be interested to watch some place implement it and see how it turns out.

>>130271863
that's the main reason you tard. You won't do this kind of shit if the economy's doing bad, it's more of a philantropic thing.

>>130271928
>centralized planning
hm where have i heard that before...

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Hawaii is already absolutely beyond pathetic in terms of fiscal solvency and they think they can do UBI? Fucking LMAO. They also have the highest costs of living in the fucking country, so the UBI would have to be huge.

>>130271863
Wow we have a higher GPD than Hawaii wtf.

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>>130272000
UBI couldnt replace the welfare it wouldnt be enough money you would only get a few grand a year because you have to pay for 350 million people

with the NIT you could afford to replace the welfare system totally and have the poor buy their own things

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> a crack fiend island full of shitskins want free drug money

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>>130272000
Yes, it'd replace all other welfare, if implemented properly. Considering our Government currently spends 25.3% of its GDP just on social security, we could save a whopping 4.7 trillion dollars just by knocking that shit off.

>>130270046
I live in Hawaii, our state is bankrupt, there's meth heads and homeless everywhere. Years of leftist abuse have destroyed this state, Hawaii is a shit hole. I've been here for the past 20 years of my life.

>>130270694
Time to leave the mainland and goto Hawai'i and live off the system till it crashes

>>130272011
So they actually want to raise unemployment by giving everyone gibs. Its counter intuitive, they are only able to afford ubi because of their low unemployment, yet the ubi will cause high unemployment. Its literally far left government trying to be prove theyre progressive and im gonna laugh when the fail and destroy their economy.

>>130271730
Alaska already has it

>>130271757
You are assuming that the majority of the people that move there will put in more than they take out.

>>130270477
Hawaii isn't exactly the place where workers are being put out of jobs by robots.

>>130272155
I thought the whole purpose of basic income was to provide everyone with a living wage.

>>130272226
If everyone was guaranteed a living wage from the goverment then a shitload of regulations could be scrapped too. Minimum wage, unions and all of that bullshit could go out the door.

>>130271323
like most tropical climates

>>130271191
Nowhere in the model you presented was economic output increased.

>>130270046
>pay people to live on island paradise and not work
ok, so I'm moving to Hawaii and will get paid to shitpost

>>130271613
poor people cant afford a one way plane ticket there, much less outright move

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>>130272563
no its not possible to afford a living for 350 million people

you have to do it like food stamps where you atleast have to be poor to get the benefits

What a shame. I would have liked to move there for the godtier weather (they've never gotten higher then 98 or lower than 37) one day.

>>130270046

I live in Hawaii. Fuck this fucking island nigger state

>>130272681
Here, if you are poor, you are homeless. My house is a shit hole, it is a two story old farm house that has not been renovated since the 1960s. Its estimated value is at 950k, I could sell it for half that, and get a nice house in Texas and a little extra cash on the side

>>130272751
No shit? What part?

UBI is using your own money to pay yourself. The US guv runs on the people's taxes, no taxes, no guv.

>>130272804
Mililani mauka, you?

>the UBI will go to literal billionaires
who literally pay millions in taxes so it doesnt matter.
the problem with the NIT is it's part of the tax system and the tax system is always a fucking mess. you think you're being super smart but then a couple of loopholes in the tax system and some "creative book keeping" and a shitstain company like GE is not only not paying their taxes, they're getting taxpayers to pay all their employees wages.
UBI isnt part of the taxcode so it can't be gamed, you have it payout as a percentage of GDPpc so that it grows with the economy.
...and to people who shout INFLATION i dont know what to do with you, UBI/NIT dont involve introducing new money into the system... hyper-inflation isn't that simple to create without new money and as of the GFC the USA proved you could pump trillions of dollars of liquid into the system and we wouldn't see the slightest bump in inflation (probably because all of that new money was given to banks who horded it instead of it entering the reaaal economy).

>>130272847
It's more using my money to pay myself and everyone around me who just doesn't like to put in too much work.

>>130272000
The average apartment in Hawaii costs about 1800 dollars a month, which is $21,600 a year. Utilities in Hawaii are three times the national average because Left Wing Retards hate effective energy sources, so that's probably 90 dollars, plus phone service which these days is 70 bucks a month, plus internet which is probably 55 bucks. So, 205 per month there, 2460 a year, total of 24,060 a year.

Then you have food, which is absurdly expensive in Hawaii because it's an island, average household food costs in US are about 6k per year, 9k in Hawaii, let's say you lived subsistence so 7k. for a total of 31,060 a year required to live in a one bedroom apartment without a car with internet and a phone.

So, if the purpose of the UBI is to give you the basics to function in society you'd need about that much annually for each person, quick calculation puts it at around $44,633,220,000, or 44.6 billion dollars.

State budget of Hawaii in 2016 was 13.7 billion dollars.

So you'd need to MORE THAN TRIPLE the tax revenue of Hawaii in order to make this work, or maybe just triple if you slash all other welfare (and you won't be able to since my calculations didn't include any allotment for medical expenses lmao) and how would you do that?

If you were to remove the entire Hawaiian welfare budget as of now and distribute it to the populace as UBI, they'd each get 953 dollars. ANNUALLY.

>>130270046
>pretend to be the good goy while taxing everyone
>all "income" is taxed from citizens

Must feel good to play Robinhood and steal from innocent civilians

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>>130272926
>who literally pay millions in taxes so it doesnt matter.

actually it does matter because youre paying trillions of dollars to 320 million americans

which lowers how much each person can get and makes

if you only give the poorest 50 million all that money... they can actually afford a living

rather than sending 900$ to every american and it not DOING SHIT, FOR ANYONE. THAT DOESNT HELP THE POOR WHO LOST THEIR JOBS

Even if it could work out somehow, a single state adopting it will never work, because more demanding yet high paying workers will just go to another state.

>>130270477
Walmart is still struggling to automate cash registers. That shit isn't happening any time soon.

>>130272124
Alaska has a Basic Income-like program.

>>130272974
>So, if the purpose of the UBI is to give you the basics to function in society
That was never intended. You just get a flat amount of money, nobody said it will be enough to be sustainable.

>>130272880
Kaneohe, near the Marine Corps base.

>>130272880
You military?

>>130271675
Dat is discrimination, segregation, fascism. Actually Hitler. Can't do it.

>>130270477
>no proofs
>just making up shit
Yeah ok.
>Amazon
That company can't even turn a profit. It's literally a massive shell game designed to bilk big pension funds out of their money, a standard kike swindle to take advantage of starry eyed goyim to caught up in the idea of pie in the sky to be sensible.
Automobiles put a lot of bridle and buggy whip manufacturers out of business, but that didn't mean it was necessary for them all to go on government gibsmedats and become wards of the state.

>>130270046
>help working families
Giving everyone x number of free money devalues money and inevitably raises prices. Any "free money" as basic income on top of money people already earn decreases the relative buying power of the currency. It can't be any other way. Basic income only works if it's for those without a job and lower than income and perks you get from working. It is the solution when there simply aren't enough jobs but you need people still to be able to spend on services and be good consumers.

>>130273122
Alaska is an oil platform masquerading as a state, and its oil payouts are less than two months of the average rent in the state per year.

It also has the second highest median income in the country because everyone who is up there works on oil rigs. They don't need the money but they can afford it because the state is absurdly productive. It has very low taxes.

>>130273359
Okay but what's the point then, if you still need to be employed to live there then the UBI serves no function, who is this helping? If they want to scrap their welfare budget and just hand it out that's fine, but there is literally no reason to do it. It won't solve any problems.

>>130273059
ok lets work out this math! First up lets look at the players...
>The 1%: Rich people who pay the majority of taxes.
>The 99%: The millennials and takers and "hard working-middle class" (aka poor).
>The Government: The public employees who are in charge of sending money from the 1% to the 99%

now lets look at where the money goes in a UBI style system...
>Government takes money from 1%
>Government splits it up and sends it out to the 100%
>but not before Government takes it's cut to pay it's employees for the service, couple jobs there.
So a little bit of money leaked out there and obviously some of it is going back to the 1% but this seems fairly efficient.

>Government takes money from 1%
>Government creates forms for the 99% to fill out to make sure they're the 99%
>Government assesses those filled out forms
>Government continues to assess regularly to assure you're still part of the 99%
>Government has new forms for you
>Government needs you to take a piss test
>Government thinks you have too many jobs
There's no money left to pay out.

>>130271746
kek

>>130270046
>HAWAII DOING UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME.

So, free money to unemployable "Rednecks" huh?

>>130273684
>Okay but what's the point then
It's there to support you. Take your government handout and work a mimimum wage job. You now have enough money to live. Go to college and have some money to spend, or use it to pay tuition. UBI is trying to get some rocks off your back. I still think it's a non-working system that would bankrupt many nations if they'd try it, but it is not intended to start as socialism.

You simply can't give people enough money to live just because, that would mean that many, many people would move where you'd get the most money, because the living costs as so damn high, thus raising the costs and raising the UBI as well. It's a spiral you can't escape.

UBI won't work because niggers will just spend their money on drugs and rims

Unless you make it some sort of cryptocurrency walled-garden where only certain SIC codes can do business with a particular account you're not going to gain anything from UBI.

>>130273889
>So, free money to unemployable "Rednecks" huh?
There is not a single redneck in Hawaii.

1000 $/m?

>>130273948
yeah because once you have a currency that buys things of value you definitely couldn't trade those things of value for other things of value.

you need to change your flag.

>>130273889
you mean polynesian dogs you piece of shit

>>130273889
Kill yourself, tripfag

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>Give Everyone money
>People now increase the worth of their products by thousands of percents
>US dollar becomes worse off as a whole

Do these people not know anything about the basics of economics?

>>130270046
Japan did nothing wrong.

>>130273948
>cryptocurrency
cant wait till this tulip bubble pops

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>>130273863
no youre a retard bernie sanders head

you have no idea how much the middle class is paying in taxes

you think its just the 1% paying for everything and theyre just an infinite resource

all you have to do is know how much they payed in taxes last year with the IRS and you can decide if they receive the Negative income tax or not

theres hardly any bureaucracy (almost none and you save trillions of dollars)

>>130274089
>you mean polynesian dogs you piece of shit

it basically means that people who are unemployable are subsidized by the government, ensuring more and ever more unemployables in the future.

Goodbye Hawaii.

>>130273926
Well, if that's what they want to do with it it's fine, but as I've shown already we're talking about a pretty trivial amount of money unless you jack up taxes to the Nth degree--which will just hurt the economy and the working man more.

For a state that relies on a lot of tourism to sustain itself, raising prices by raising taxes is also a poor idea.

>>130273362
I like your sand bar.

>>130273381
No but I am DOD civilian

>>130274264
>For a state that relies on a lot of tourism to sustain itself, raising prices by raising taxes is also a poor idea.
Which is the reason why Hawaii will not implement the UBI. There are now some people sitting on a desk and chatting about the idea, but once the auditors come into it the idea will be stopped.

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>>130274038
I deeply understand how welfare works, I'm just addressing the main reason the left wants to implement this, "reducing inequality".

It's not going to get anywhere in that sense, and in fact might actually improve our economy because certain people have more time to study and/or develop a revolutionary business model.

>>130274155
Automation is supposed to eat a lot of that. Problem is, the companies that implement said automation aren't going to willingly keep their prices low. That's why supposedly the robots will get taxed.

But how do you tax a software algo? And what if this just increases the value of human labor in many areas and basically turns us into commies?

There aren't any easy answers but the implementation is sure to not change the things that the people agitating for this want to change. And I'm incredibly worried that this would worsen global warming by causing a shitload of people to consume and reproduce at an even higher than normal rate here in NA.

>>130273863
>Government takes money from 1%

And then the 1% leave and take their wealth with them, as they always do when you people try this shit

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Fucking Hawai'i. Nobody likes our politicians here because they're all fucking retarded and always pull shit like this.

>>130270148
pretty soon I'd say but guess what:
Nobody will ever read anything about how basic income failed.
All you read is 'xy-country/state/city considers basic income'.
It's simple propaganda, collect some votes whatever.

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>>130270046
>mfw Hawaii is annexed twice

>>130273117
>amazon has already wiped out many malls, mom and pop stores
>autonomous trucks about to wipe out trucking
>autonomous cars about to wipe out taxis and uber drivers
>AI about to wipe out majority of legal jobs
>surgery robots better than real surgeons
>drones better than mailman
>"That shit isn't happening any time soon."
Automated cash registers are easy if every product has a RFID chip.

>>130274153
>Kill yourself, tripfag

Hi, CIA... still have an anti-me group in your agency?

thought so..... faggots.

God damn it.
Why is it always the places that are guaranteed to fail that attempt things like UBI?
Hawaii is poor as shit, there's no way UBI will work there.
It's going to fail and turn everyone off of UBI now.

If I didn't know any better I would say it's a deliberate conspiracy to ensure UBI fails to gain traction.

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>>130274155
i'm sure the economists who proposed and back UBI would very much like to hear your data-backed peer-reviewed research on the subject.

>>130274209
>you think its just the 1% paying for everything and theyre just an infinite resource
pic related

>NIT again
you didn't ever solve the part where it has to go through the abused and very abusable tax code >>130272926

>>130274641
are you literally arguing for free gibs?

>>130270046
It'll be even more overrun with meth addicts and inbred mongos, good luck.

>>130274659
>pic related

You mean the pick that shows that taking all the wealth of the 8 richest men wouldn't even cover much more then an 8th of the annual US Federal Budget?

Really makes me think.

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F*** Hawaii.

<Begin blog post>
Years ago I worked the graveyard shift at a call center, doing roadside assistance.

Every night I dreaded getting calls from Hawaii.

You have to ask for their current location, and the nearest crossroads, so they give some crazy Hawaiian name with like 82 vowels and get all p***y when I ask them to spell it.
</End rant>

>>130270046
stay positive, a small scale real life example might be a good global redpill

>>130274445
>And then the 1% leave and take their wealth with them, as they always do when you people try this shit
you act like it's hard to tax them to death for any business they try to conduct back home as punishment... there's a reason the EU will not be allowing the UK to cancel it's Brexit even though they clearly dont want to anymore, bludgers get made an example of.

>>130274854
>you act like it's hard to tax them to death for any business they try to conduct back home as punishment

You can't possible be...

>there's a reason the EU will not be allowing the UK to cancel it's Brexit even though they clearly dont want to anymore

Oh my god you actually are...

>>130270046
Got to keep the sheep happy with their position.

>>130274659
Very
Basic

In the marketplace, wealth is earned by generating value. When someone buys a good, they’ve earned the money they are spending by having produced something else. Money is forcibly taken from those who have produced enough to earn it, and given to those who haven’t. This allows for people who aren’t producing wealth to continue to consume scarce goods. Eventually, all government welfare leads to the consumption of wealth, or, at the very least, a reduction in the amount of wealth that would have been accumulated otherwise. When entrepreneurs have less need to respond to the needs and desires of their customers, consumers will find themselves with fewer choices and with lower-quality choices.This means that overall UBI makes everyone poorer than they would have been in a free market.

>>130274812
8 is actually significantly less than 1% of the US population. believe it or not leafo.

>>130270046
Im all for this actually. Perfect pilot program. The rest of us here on the mainland can watch you islanders perish for a safe distance.

>>130275073
That doesn't change the fact that literally taking everything from the 1% would only be at best a temporary solution to a problem you've just made worst.

Do you really have no fucking idea what's happening in Venezuela right now after years of them attempting to do what you want us to do? Are you really that ignorant of your own beliefs?

>>130270046
they left's attempt to buy votes again. nothing new, just now more obvious. Watch all lefty states follow suit. Something in their states' budget will have to give. What do you think it will be?

>>130270046
Yay im moving to Hawaii

Good, the failure will act as a warning to others.

>Hawaiian basic income
Good! That'll stop Jew Zuckerburg and all the other tech faggots from turning Hawaii into silicon valley 2.0.

Once they realize they'll be taxed for each and every homeless person on Hawaii they'll move out real quick.

>>130270477
>Why would anyone want to wor

Because it imbues one with a sense of self pride and teaches values.

>>130270046
>basic income
Oh, kinda like the $200 a month ebt people already get? Do people honestly think they'll get paid like they would be if they were working?

>>130275289
I would, if people would work jobs that has any value. If you are as replaceable as the PC in front of you, you just don't find joy in your work.

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>>130270046
wait...

didnt Hawaii already try something similar called UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE and they nearly defaulted on everything they owe? Forcing them to pull back and say, lol j/k guise. we arent doing healthcare for all.


are they trying to beat Illinois as the first state to declare bankruptcy?

>>130271542
Yeah, Milton Friedman supported it until experiments were run wih the result of decreasing the labor supply by disinsentivizing work and actually driving wages down in areas where it was implemented (as people on the cusp of paying taxes were willing to work less hard and for less compensation provided taxes weren't being deducted).

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Why do (((they))) want us to have free money?

Isn't that against their religion or something?

Why do the corporates want to gives us UBI?

>>130276395
Because it makes us lazy, keeps us at home and then we die.

Source: I'm one of (((them)))

>>130276265
>labor supply

we got plenty of that we could use a little less

>>130272355
You don't know how unemployment works famalam. Not only does unemployment not reflect the number of people who are physically able to work but have given up on finding a job or are unwilling to find one, but it also is required in a certain amount for healthy wage growth. If unemployment is too low there is a surplus of labor and it will be devalued as a result causing stagnation among consumers ability/willingness to buy.

>>130270046
where does the money to pay for UBI come from? do these idiots even think this shit through?

>>130270046
When your a libtard, "considers" means it's going to happen 100%

>>130270046
>considers adopting
lol fake news

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>>130275027
>In the marketplace, wealth is earned by generating value.
You're hurting my brain from the very first sentence. You're using words wrong.
I will just say this... Labor is a market of people who need or want money, the more people there are in need of money, the more labor there is, which lowers the cost of labor, which lowers the price of labor, which means the majority of labor is paid less and so on, it's a feedback cycle constantly devaluing people (until they revolt violently).
If you remove the need for money you dramatically decrease the amount of labor, which raises the cost of labor, which raises the price of labor, which means the people who want to be working are getting paid even more so yes we havent ironed out the economy into a perfectly flat communist paradise but we have assured that no one has a reason to revolt and everyone has the ability to feed into the economy and when you want to be part of the labor market you will be devalued by market saturation. It's win win win win.

>>130275149
>Venezuela
Leafiest post i've ever seen. Venezuela don't have basic income, they have state managed price fixing which is a retarded idea only Vuvu or a Leaf would cosign.

>>130270477
>Why would anyone want to wor
Typical fatass NEET detected

>>130274817
>not just telling them to light up a tiki torch for the next passing dolphin pack to see

>>130276730
*you will NOT be devalued by market saturation.

>>130271542
>negative income tax
So who/what pays people that extra money?

>>130272974
You win todays autism award. Good work anon.

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>>130270046
"creates a working group to study the issue"

translation: A pack of do nothing hacks get paid millions of your tax dollars to circle jerk about how great communism is.

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>>130276863
remove welfare
insert NIT

>A negative income tax is intended to create a single system that would not only pay for government, but would also fulfill the social goal of making sure that there was a minimum level of income for all. It is theorized that, with an NIT, the need for minimum wage, food stamps, welfare, social security programs and other government assistance programs could be eliminated, thus reducing the administrative effort and cost to a fraction of what it is under the current system, as well as eliminating the perverse incentives created by these overlapping aid programs

https://youtu.be/Bkm2Vfj42FY?t=56m
a literal actual economist asked about basic income starting at 56m.

>>130277419
>economist

hurr i went to college im smart now

pls listen to me

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>>130270046
So everyone who is poor moves to Hawaii?

It is truly funny that there are actual people who still believe in absurd Commie ideas which will crash with no survivors when they hit reality.

>>130277812
>communism
>basic income
nah.

>>130276395
Don't listen to the retarded leaf >>130276446
It's because they know the versions they implement will fail, so it will guide public opinion on social welfare type programs negatively
"Didn't someone try something like that before and it failed?"
"Communism has never succeeded"
"What you're trying to do is socialist, and socialism doesn't work!"
Instead of implementing in a small, sustainable manner and gradually testing and improving (((they))) force abrupt and untested methods destined to fail to steer thought and create memes.

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>>130277960
Explain to me why not every Nigger will move to Hawaii and how basic income is sustainable when the intelligent people get no children, while the genetic trash has an explosive birth rate?

You provide food to people who should not procreate, you are a plain idiot who will harm all of us.

>>130276483
We have too many non-americans working american jobs over-inflatong the labor supply. Go into a trade and you'll see there is a dearth of competent people of the craft because the primary sources of labor inflation which have driven the price down are also low IQ foreigners who don't give a shit and drive the value down.

>>130278310
>Explain to me why not every Nigger will move to Hawaii
Every nigger will move to Hawaii, you will not and you will be happy and no longer worry yourself in the activities of the negro. You're welcome.

>>130271191
More gibs leads to more taxes leads to capital flight from business-owners.

Even if you could peddle your goods to the nigs at hawaii, any profit you would make from that will be taxed to hell, and returned to the nigs themselves.

You would basically be supporting unproductive shit for free with all your labour. So instead, you should simply quit, and start enjoying the free gibs yourself as well until the system collapses.

>>130278710
So the system collapses inevitably and then Niggers will be spread again everywhere. Good plan, thank you Mr Imbecile.

>>130270046
Wouldn't that be suicide?
Hawaii is partially known for having a massive voluntary homeless population.

So Hawaii becomes nigger metropolis. South is cleansed. I'm for this as long as the feds don't jump in to bail them out when it comes crashing down.

>>130278910
Hawaii is really far away from anywhere.
If they're as lazy/violent/genetically inferior as you propose then they will assuredly die out long before they figure out how to grow food and make boats and navigate the sea.
By the time you see them again they will have undergone such death trials as to make them genetically superior. You're welcome.

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>>130270046
Hawaiian state budget BTFO
Hawaiian economy BTFO
Price of goods compared to actual value BTFO
Restraints on inflation BTFO
Benefits of UBI BTFO by inflation

You can't implement UBI without getting rid of all other welfare schemes to help pay for it, and a state can't opt out of the federal ones
Hawaii has the advantage of being difficult to move to but otherwise will struggle to pay for it since they're losing everything but tourism for revenue

Hawaii has barely any blacks or mexicans. Are the asians the ones voting in communists?

>>130279157
Why can you not understand this simple principle? How can you be that dumb?

Even if no Nigger ever enters Haiwaii, the following will occur with basic income:

Low IQ people will have an explosive birth rate because you give them food, while high IQ people have a low birth rate. This dysgenic effect will lead to an inevitable collapse any society.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icmRCixQrx8

>>130279258
>asians
>can do math
>ok with UBI
UBI going to work, confirmed.

>>130279429
you're just being contrarian.

>Pacific Islanders
>Asian
No, guys

>>130270046
There's nothing wrong with UBI.
>>130270959
NIT is shit cause people who 'can't' work will get more than some people who do work. NIT would also be as complex to implement and manage as most current welfare systems.

>>130270046
They can have it but those pineapple nighers can pay for it. They already receive 4 dollars for every 1 they pay to the govt

>>130271059
Say half your colleagues think the same your boss will have to raise the attractiveness of the job. So better pay. All the better for those who do want to work and do better than just surviving.

>>130279604
So practically zero arguments against what I said.

>>130274336
Found the CIA NSA nigger