Would the world in Brave New World really be that bad?

>>130257538
>in the meantime humans are bred and cloned for their specific purposes
>brains are altered with chemicals to artificially retard them for their purposes
>anyone figuring out that humans have become literal chattle get exec'd
>no family unit
It could be worse, but it's by no means "not bad"

>>130257538
The point is that people like it and that it feels good, but that has nothing to do with it being good- in fact we see that it is bad.

>>130257538

No. It reminds me of when I was 19.

Ultimately though there's no real love and if you've never experienced that or know you'll never experience that I think life is a waste of time.

>>130257538
I prefer truth to happiness.

Did they really execute people that got red-pilled, though? (((Mond))) claimed he was recruited for being red-pilled, didn't he?

>main character brings the boss' kid back
>kid just wants to live with nature
>becomes a circus show on his own island later
fuck that shit. the whole polygamous shit is disgusting, too.

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>>130257538
>you take a drug that makes you happy all the time

Fine with my misery and hate as it is, thank you.

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>current year

>>130258213
What do you get out of truth that's better than happiness? When you look back on the greatest times of your life you're gonna look at times when you were really really happy, not when you learned any truths.

>>130257538
it's not bad if you're fine with being unthinking hedonistic scum

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>>130257538
>blue pill
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>130257538
Why the fuck would i take a drug that makes me oblivious to my surroundings? I'd feel like an empty piece of shit once the effects wear off. And then i'd go into a relapse after not taking SOMA for a small amount of time because one day i decide to leave it alone. Then overtime, i'd forget how it feels to be a normal human being all thanks to that faux oipiod antidepressant.

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>>130257538
Degeneracy is not the answer, Anon.

What if the reason aliens don't even care to visit is because they've already created lives so great and fulfilling they don't even care about further exploration of the Universe?

>the entirity of society is built into crushing human attachment, passion and conflict
>but you get to have sex and do drugs
Not the worst dystopia to be in, honestly speaking if you hadn't experienced anything else it would be the best option to live in, but unless if you're already ingrained into the system but instead thrust in from outside it would be hell

>>130257538
lol just read that for your 12th grade reading class huh

>>130258213
this.

It's fucking hell for anyone wanting more out of life.

>>130258885
Okay then. What would be a better system?

>>130257538
but that world was still just a forced meme
Bernard didnt wanna be a cucked beta orbiter
>state mandated group sex

>>130258534
stop trying to think, you're really bad at it. I've seen enough people die to know that without truths you will suffer confusion, despair and fear in your final hours.

>>130258534
>What do you get out of truth that's better than happiness?
Eternal fulfillment and inner peace.

>>130258534
He said prefers truth, not likely his only experience in place of happiness.

>>130257538
>>130257836

Huxley seems smart until you read his idea of a utopia, Island.
>people are still sexually polygamous even when married
>life is about living for the moment, to the point of being totally defenseless to conquest
>take drugs to experience the divine, but just getting high on hallucinogens
>eugenics and contraceptives everywhere
>kids can hang out with 30 different family units
>no industrialization except agriculture and pharma
>collectivism

but it's all ok because the islanders reject "muh consumerism," so its perfect

>>130259067
Mate, the concept of dystopias means that none of the options are good
Brave New World is only a good system if you were already in the system or you are alienly hedonistic

>>130257538
>Stifles creativity
>Forved caste system you can't ascend or descend
>Manufactured emotions

>>130257538

book is redpilled as fuck. Huxley predicted all the degenerate shit that was gonna happen in the west because he used to hang out with the left wing intellectuals who were plotting this shit.

the writer himself was some brownpilled libertarian or something.

It's probably the greatest novel ever written but liberals hate. They're all like "Muh 1984."

A Brave New World chops modern day lefties like an axe and cuts them like a scalpel.

READ THIS BOOK!

1984 is now.

Enough with BNW

>>130259334
This

>>130257836
>>130257538
>no punishment
>free speech
>brains are given chemicals to boost their ability
>humans stop aging at 25 and live till 300
>free markets
How is it a dystopia?

>>130259213
To be fair, his utopia for Island came about 30-40 years after he wrote Brave New World, and the man was a genius off his ability to predict future science almost a century before they came to be. Its just he was dreadfully worried about the death of the spirit
Once he got into LSD and hallucinogenics in the 60s thats when his Island shit really took off

>>130258789
>What if the reason aliens don't even care to visit is because they've already created lives so great and fulfilling they don't even care about further exploration of the Universe?

"Do you want to explore the university and its mysteries, Anon"?

"Naw, that doesn't sound fulfilling. Imma jack off to anime instead"

kys

>>130259213
Your totally not dumb

>>130257538
> People already are poly, usually, they just don't tell their partner because of the idea of it being considered "cheating"
> Brains are already being altered... what the fuck do you think there is salt and sugar in EVERY FUCKING BURGERLAND MEAL
> You can have sex and party all you want RIGHT NOW if you really wanted to, but that would make you into even more of a degenerate
> You already have access to drugs that make you happy all the time, but it is all just a short term solution, and long lasting happiness is only provided to those who find it from within

Sounds like you are just a degenerate who wants everyone else to be forced to be degenerate as fuck, simply so you will feel more at ease, OP.

>>130259563
>expooor da universe
>but sir we already have fur filled loves
>NAHHH DUDE WE GOTTA EXPOOOR JUST CUUZZZ

please tell me you have cancer. I hope you don't breed freak

Tge society described in the book is EFFICIENT, and actually the book explains pretty well tge need of such measures. Would be 11/10 for me if only they had mentioned long-lasting goal for this society, otherwise it just seems unnatural and redundant.

>>130258213

I used to think that. Then someone asked me nearly that exact question.
"Would you have prefered the truth or to be happy?" I picked the truth.

I wish I could go back and change my choice.

>>130259334
good opinion
>>130259535
>kekistani
Opinion discarded

>>130259665
Except now a days you have to be a Chad if you want to go to parties, cheat, or get married. In BNW everyone does it even the episilons

>>130259738
Very inefficient actually. They banned automation to keep people working

>>130259665
This. It's really fucked up what many people consider to be a satisfying life now.

>>130259859
Yus, but cheap and labour force incapable of complex thought is the form of automation tho.

>>130259067
Utopias are dystopias.

>>130257538
A reminder that this is more likely to happen in a non-religious country. Just look at European nations.

>>130259535
One man's utopia is another man's dystopia.

>>130259213
eh, i seen it as a group of people who lived their word to the bitter end. whats principals if you aint gonna follow them


brave new world revisited is red pilled as fuck

>>130259535

In a Brave New World only the top caste, the overlords/overseers are allowed free speech, free thought, and don't have to take their meds.

People are bred and designed to fulfill tasks. There is a negroid race that is bred for menial tasks but comingles with the rest.

Everone is brainwashed and those who don't take their anti-depressants are exiled, punished. It's rare for people to break programming.

>>130259535
>kekistani
Judging from your other posts, your obviously baiting. Either way, I'll respond to your post

>free markets
Its not free markets. Its perpetually feeding caste-system state capitalism
>seemingly at random, you can be malformed into a hunchback retard, ultra-cucks made to love things you absolutely hate, or slightly less cucky economic and societal controllers

>no punishments
You're punished for being anti-social. Your punishment is being exiled.

>brains are given chemicals to boost ability
You forget thats for the smallest population caste. Odds are you're either going to be dumbed down into a cuck or into a literal retard

Not to mention how there is no such concept of meaningful attachments, relationships, conflict, or human creativity

>>130260084
His utopian vision is also essentially anti-religious. There are Hindu and Buddhist elements, but, at best, it's really agnostic.

>>130260199
Only those who spread propaganda are exiled. That includes the top castes since Bernard and Hemholtz were exiled

>>130260247
Obviously bait. Not giving a serious reply

>>130260261
Dude they litreally worship jesus

>>130260445
no, ford

>>130260138
I can respect the integrity, but I can't see a society as great if it's set up to be easily conquered and knows it's going to happen. Might as well call Sweden a utopia at that point.

>>130260247
>>130259535

It's a Keynesian, socialist, consumerist system.

- state controls everything
- factories make shit for people to buy
- people are encouraged to do frivolous stuff, consume to give people something to do

The controller makes things trendy, uses advertising to get the plebs excited to buy the new toaster just to change shit up for the plebs.

>>130260548
very fair point and got 2 keks from me

>>130260348

yeah, those who express themselves freely. No free speech.

>>130260517
Not in the reservations

>>130257538

Fuck the illusion.

Give me the painful truth, every single time.

>>130260556
The government has been minimized in favour of multinational companies who control the think thanks. Basically Koch Brothers capitalism

I am trying to live a hedonistic lifestyle
It's hard, I prefer my solitude.

>>130260708
Alright.

God isn't real

>>130260773
Literally same thing

>>130257538

this book also predicts the sexualization of children.

The artificially gestated kids engage in play orgies when they're toddlers. They're taught to be sexual at an early age and experiment.

The book predicted stuff like that 8 year old drag queen kid called Lactatia.

>>130257538
>pill that will make you happy all the time
You don't need that pill if you're dead.

>>130260199
it's still similar to now, only people do it voluntarily.
>overseers are allowed because they decide what speech is banned (lawmakers)
>people are designed to fulfill tasks (public education)
>negroid race is bred for menial tasks
blacks are poor, the poor and stupid voluntarily breed with them. rarely do you see elites intermix
>people voluntarily go to the doctor so they can be diagnosed as depress/bipolar/adhd/whatever so they can get meds
they voluntarily separate themselves from what is normal. people who do not conform are social exiles. politicians who don't toe the line lose their jobs/are undetectable

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>>130260895
Savage pls donut b so edgy

>>130258534
>baawww when I get old how will I feel about my precious life

>>130260780

God is real.

But God is not an anthropomorphic entity.

>>130259334
You think the left is behind this?
The right(international clique) is the executor and any kind of people leads that way.

Holy fuck this is why I don't like reading /pol/
READ SOMETHING!!!!

>>130261089
It's both sides, nowadays

>>130259535
People who like it all think they would be alphas, but in reality they're far more likely to be epsilons.

>>130261089

Our left became heavily authoritarian after 9/11 & Patriot Act.

More than the right, surprisingly.

>>130260688
but you know we arent talking about the res :)

>>130260889
>erotic play

its just my opinion but i cant help but feel huxley saw himself as no less than a world controller. not one of the common men

>>130261044
>overseers are allowed because they decide what speech is banned (lawmakers)
Actually, (social media)

>>130258534
Knowledge, better understanding of the world around you, and most importantly the opportunity to evolve and a species and society. Additionally what Huxley doesn't reveal is that due to both the law of scarcity and phenomena we call human error, the society in BNW would gradually drift toward collapse (similar but not identical to Rome's) or would gradually become more totalitarian and controlling than the book ever portrays.

In short it is neither practical, nor ideal to live in society where happiness is valued over truth.

>>130257538
Legal weed and easy access heroin. Xanax and SSRIs for the ultranormie.

>we're already there, also BNW is far closer to reality than 1984

>>130261551
>and a
*as a

>>130257538

I see the supression of OP's nephilim gene expression has been successfully suppressed by the jews.

Was it the fluoride, the sense of hopelessness, the subversion of marriage, the destruction of women? Or are you just a loser?

I know what is going on and I will stop it. Through force of will. The men of renown will return.

>>130261225
>>130261300
I don't believe the left ever touched the UnitedStatians system to the core.
Your country is well known for having a strict culture based on extremist right ideologies.
At least that's what we South Americans think, and will always think.

I wonder what would happen if I speak my rights there? Get my ass whoped and stuck working 24hs a day for a dime. Also probably I'd get my house and son stolen by the government.

>>130261582
id say its flipped
the BNW is a society set up and partially based around drug use
in our modern hell drugs are still an escape

>>130261763

>At least that's what we South Americans think, and will always think.

Then you see us as we see Russia.

From a frame of reference that existed 20+ years ago.

>>130257538
first off, fuck you
Life is not about happiness
You will learn far more in the house of sorrow than in the house of mirth.

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>>130261763
You're a fool to believe that the Left never touched the USA.
Also, I'm austrian for your info.

>>130261848
Try to convince me that your country is run by hippies and socialist people; and not jews+corporations+mass media

>>130257538
That's one of the oldest question of humankind, what must be pursued over all: happiness, truth or humankind betterment ?

Most people would say the three, Brave New World is basically what happens when the two last are dismissed at the profit of happiness (ie: long lasting state of pleasure) but an empty happiness without meaning (you are happy not because you made yourself or the people around you better but because you took a pill).

>>130261848
How old are you?

>>130261937
The left in USA is non-existent.

The left are just teenagers posting political incorrect ideologies in Instagram.

>>130261859
>drama queen tries to tell us what life is about
Being angry isn't going to get your dick back, fake Jew.

>>130261447
but those minorities aren't really the lawmakers. at this time governments can't get away with banning anti-government speech (we aren't full totalitarian). the only thing they can do is identify the voter base which supports them and make laws that prevent the other side from attacking them. remember the transgendered community for example has adopted the language given to them by the media, not the other way around (diversity, equality, etc.)

>>130257538
>Would the world in Brave New World really be that bad?

Would the Matrix be bad?

>>130262012
Truth. Fuck the bourgeoisie and their muh liberal betterment. Those people are parasites.

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>>130257538
Jew with the NatSoc flag asking why slavery is bad.

puke

>>130262116

31

>>130261997

>and not jews+corporations+mass media

Why do you think these are right wing causes?

They don't give a fuck which side they are playing, anon.

All 3 of them will wear any ideology as a hat, replacing it with another when it becomes uncomfortable.

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>>130262129
>Im White, trust me

No, these kids are getting their ideas from folks much older than them

>>130262347
You only got to see neoliberal ball-suckers like the Clintons who purged the left from "their" party. You've never known the left, even such as it was, unless you're allowing two corporations to revise the past, which is also lame.
>>130262419
They may wear the ideology as a hat, but underneath it they are neoliberal to the core.

>>130262419
I agree that money has no ideology. We can't discuss on that.

>>130257538
OP is of the delta minus variety

>>130257538
The Savage nodded, frowning. "You got rid of them. Yes, that's just like you. Getting rid of everything unpleasant instead of learning to put up with it. Whether 'tis better in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, or to take arms against a sea of troubles and by opposing end them… But you don't do either. Neither suffer nor oppose. You just abolish the slings and arrows. It's too easy."

SHAME

>>130261763
The abolitionists were the closest thing to what we would now call a leftist, around the time of the Civil War. After defeating their political opposition by war, they passed the 14th Amendment, the most disastrous piece of legislation ever seen in America and our ultimate doom. Any laws that enforce a multicultural paradigm are destined to ruin a white country.

>fuck all day every day
>programmed to enjoy my caste, even as a nigger epsilon
>get drugs whenever I want
>long life that i get to live entirely in my prime
>Can go to the feelies with Lenina

BNW is unironically a utopia.

>>130262261
Betterment is at the core of the national socialist ideology, progress doesn't necessarily means equality or freedom.

>>130263098
Ideology is for cucks.

>>130258609
Every time this book gets posted I always point out the cover literally depicts a bluepill and I never get any (You)s.

>>130262588

>They may wear the ideology as a hat, but underneath it they are neoliberal to the core.

Honestly, I don't think so.

Not anymore, I think they lost who they were.

>>130257538
You've got your summer reading to do for school, huh.

>>130262310
That "infograph" sucks and ironically supports the argument that we live in a
BMW utopia of poor quality information

>>130263325
have some, because that's a huge red flag even if just a coincidence

>>130262260
in the version of the matrix that was too perfect was rejected. so they had to come up with an imperfect version.

I remember listening to one of huxley's lectures where he said something along the lines of 80% of people are susceptible and willing recipients to their 'programming' whereas other people aren't. even though this was a long time ago he was still under the assumption that there would be higher forms of technology and chemicals to achieve it. i never thought he was totally on board with the whole thing, he saw himself as 'one of them', regardless. hence he wrote the book but left it open to interpretation over whether or not it was a dystopia.

>>130261763
>At least that's what we South Americans think, and will always think.
>South Americans being wrong yet again
Not surprising.

>>130261763
What we have on /pol/ are choripaneros from /v/ with a slightly higher IQ making up facile opposites and projecting their desires and wishes onto them, to be symbolically destroyed.
The left has been systematically eliminated from the system by means fair and foul since 1789. The Founding Fathers were scared shitless of the Levellers and built a system designed to keep the rabble away from power, and complex enough to make traditionalists believe in its inherent righteousness and their own self-abasement.
You've made the only sensible post in this thread. You're making me want to come down there and leave this place as if people think for themselves.

>>130258567
So basically contemporary western society...

>>130264894
sorry wrong window

>>130261288
To be a Gamma is to be just right

>>130257538
>Would the world in Brave New World really be that bad?
Its already fucking here.

>>130265254
You're fine m8.