Why do you guys deny Climate Change evidence?

>>130237923
Because we never learned how to critically think or come up with answers that aren't already decided for us by our political party :(

>>130238074
Fight back against Drumpf

>>130237923
That graph is incorrect.

>>130238308
Because your political party said so?

>>130238359
I've never voted and am not registered.

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>>130237923

>>130237923
It's time to claim land in Antarctica. Let Africa, India and Australia burn.

Also, the US will just take over leaf land and give back the southern desert to Mexico.

Don't deny
Choose to help climate change (push it further)

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dont post nasa propaganda fag

>>130238519
>I don't want to accept uncomfortable truths

>>130238802
This looks much more correct. I will look at those sources.

>>130237923
I don't necessarily, I take issue with the solutions part of the problem. If it is truly as dire a situation as you lot make it sound you should be all for using every solution to fix the problem. Nope. Just wind and solar all the way.

>>130238696
>The US will become a desert by that time
The US isn't much bette rof than Australia is at the moment

>>130238698
Retard

>>130237923
>arbitrary cut off at 650k y.b.p.
gave that data a good massage

>>130238802
>First graph was in thousands
>This was in millions
You do realize that a VERY tiny space in the climate is habitable by humans?

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>>130237923

The only "Man Made Climate Change" is Geo-Engineering/Warfare.

http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/subject/knowledge%20bomb/username/anonymous5/tripcode/%21%219O2tecpDHQ6/

>>130238928
>They are both correct

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Who denied climate change? It's been happening for thousands of years #Pangaea. But to think donating millions in hopes of decreasing the temperature by 1/15th of a degree by year 2030 is ridiculous. Remember in the 70s global cooling?

>>130239173
>4chan
>Reliable source
Are you retarded?

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>>130237923

Look at this chart of Earths oxygen levels. Things change over time, sometimes rapidly.

>>130237923
Because the evidence is fixed. Because the projected temperatures don't happen. Because the temperature record keeps getting changed.

>>130238964
>I am currently getting a degree in Environmental Science

>>130239361
Who are you quoting?

>>130239209
Sources?

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>>130239170

yeah the point is co2 got nothing to do with temperature

>>130239173

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu0_lTXHICs

>>130239289
You understand how tiny the range of habitable climate is, right?

>>130239518

What about Venus. Its hot because lf its CO2 atmosphere

>>130239324
>Because nations are working against climate change
We'd be dead if we had been 100% ignoring it up til now

>>130239566

In the next 100 years were gonna lace our DNA with water bears and then theres no big deal

>>130239518
>Post reliable sources
Learn to read

>>130239780
>Most humans won't get the DNA change
>Including yourself

>>130239633
It's hot because it's closer to the sun.

>>130237923
What evidence?

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Even if atmospheric carbon levels are as high as they're claimed: the method for measuring it before the technology was developed was by glacial ice core analysis. To compare data collected by core analysis vs atmospheric sensors so far, has shown wildly varying discrepancies.
However, we still have warm and cold periods recorded in human history that contradict a comparative level of CO2 i.e. the medieval warm and the little ice age. If carbon in the atmosphere was responsible for temperature levels than the industrialized little ice age should have been warmer than the agrarian medieval warm period.

>>130239633
97% a bit different to 3%, also close as to the sun. Our main heater/coolers are clouds, h2o, more intense greenhouse gas than co2.

>>130239566
Climate cucks have been gaslit by Jews into feeling morally righteous about their ever decreasing standard of living.

>>130239959
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2780714/
Suitable for an illiterate like you

>>130239962
Yeah we have, but humans are accelerating the change like crazy. The Climate has changed faster in the last 20 years than it has from 1500-1800

>>130240057
>Can't find a flaw with his points
>Call him a cuck

>>130239433
Nobody, I am currently working for a degree in environmental science

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>>130240410
Uh huh...

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>>130237923

>For 650,000 years CO2 hasn't been above this level.

And yet temperature has been higher than its current level, repeatedly.

Weird huh?

>>130239669
>We'd be dead if we had been 100% ignoring it up til now
In the last 20 years 25% of all the CO2 emitted by humans was emitted.

And the plants say thank you.

>>130240348
I'll do one better and call you a racist while we're at it. Since the white race is the only race demonstrably capable of environmental stewardship, the logical conclusion of environmentalism is the elimination of non-whites.

>>130237923
the earth is flat and global warming is caused by a second son underneath us that china is harvesting solar power from while keeping us in the dark with western hollywood propaganda

>>130239633
It's hot because it has an atmosphere that's 96 times as massive and is 1/3 closer to the Sun.

>>130240644
I just graduated from Highschool, currently 18
I'll be attending the University of California, Berkeley

Look... I know

>>130237923
because climate is supposed to vary otherwise youre just complaining about the temperature quit being a niggorfaggot

>>130237923
>implying increase in [CO2] is bad for the planet

Fuck off shill.

CO2 concentration is correlated with plant matter.

>>130240276
>Yeah we have, but humans are accelerating the change like crazy. The Climate has changed faster in the last 20 years than it has from 1500-1800
Define change and define how you accounted rate of change.

>>130240755
I looked up the sources cited. They don't exist

>>130240761
That number would have been higher had we been 100% ignoring it

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>>130239170

>You do realize that a VERY tiny space in the climate is habitable by humans?

We have clothing and build our own shelters. We can occupy any climate on the planet from equatorial deserts to arctic tundra. We are literally the most climate adaptable species in the history of the planet.

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>>130240940
https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2436/co2-is-making-earth-greenerfor-now/

CO2 is making Earth greener—for now

>>130240764
I am white myself.
Why would I feel ashamed about the melanin amounts in my skin?

>>130240832
>>>/x/

>>130240895
>I'll be attending the University of California, Berkeley

Well you already know what they're going to teach, why even go? Just save your money and call yourself a climatologist on CNN interviews towing the 'party line'.

This thread has really made me a lot more confident there is no man made global warming and it is all a scam. Thanks OP

>>130238359
NO, glues high frequency data onto the end of data which have very wide temporal uncerainty; about 500 years. So of course it creates a. hockey stick. Put that uptick through a 500 years smoother and you're comparing apples to apples. And it disappears.

>>130237923
>Climate Change
>change
I think now one denies global freezing :^)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPpXHX-Tu5U

>>130237923
I would wager stupidity.

>>130240755

>I looked up the sources cited. They don't exist

Then you didn't try very hard, this took me ten seconds in Google.

https://books.google.com/books?id=4QJ2HkvFxIUC&pg=PA7&lpg=PA7&dq=daansgard+1984&source=bl&ots=R-T3hnLSWj&sig=rqPA1WChWXlR-jbNMhQCgOtlp1Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi1gfvg8cPUAhWE5CYKHdN6ATEQ6AEIUDAI#v=onepage&q=daansgard%201984&f=false

>>130237923
Temp. increase leads atmospheric C02 increases
CRU email scandal proved that scientists use shit data and pass it into shit algorithms
Global warming would be a net benefit to humans
Increased atmospheric CO2 levels would be a benefit to plant life

>>130240936
Winters and summers are both getting hotter, storms are getting worse, species are dying, and ocean levels are rising
>STOP COMPLAINING AND DONSOMETHING ABOUT IT FAG
I'm currently working for a degree in environmental science

>>130241405
The earth is getting greener you idiot.

The idea that global warming is bad for earth is a hoax, Ben if you accept humans are causing global warming.

>>130240940
If you think plant matter makes it good for the environment, you need to read a book

>>130240957
>More CO2 parts, which brings higher temperature with time

>>130241564
>plants are now bad for the environment

Whew. We have a genius here.

All of your oxygen comes from plants.

>>130241681
Food too.

>>130241405
>species are dying

Species are literally always dying, that's how evolution works.

>>130240276
>The Climate has changed faster in the last 20 years than it has from 1500-1800
>Not actually a fact

Unless you mean CO2 levels which, like I posted, are not being compared by the same technique.

>>130241178
>Your food is grown outside
>Hotter temperatures will make it impossible to grow

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>>130241651
CO2 doesn't have an unlimited ability to absorb energy. Once the wavelengths it absorb on are saturated adding more CO2 doesn't raise the ability to cause warming.

We hit that mark about 20 years ago, which is why temperatures have been static over the last 20 years.

>>130241264
>They're literally the best university in the state
Already know I'm gonna hate the people there

>>130241771
>>Hotter temperatures will make it impossible to grow where it currently grows

Corrected for you.

>>130240276
>Comparing satellite data with a time resolution on the scale of a day to approximation methods with time resolutions on the scale of centuries

>>130237923

i dont. ii just dont care. its going to fuck up 3rd world cunts and niggers.

i try and emit as much c02 as i can. all day. every day.

who cares about them.

>>130241319
Buddy, you are aware that graph consists of most of the habitable climate range for humans?

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>>130237923
Plants love CO2. I grow plants for a living. This is good news anons. This is good news.

>>130237923
>muh climate change meme
Because the climate is always changing and throwing money at developing countries and being a tree is not going to stop it.

>>130241848
1 degree won't do shit to plant growth, but increase in CO2 will increase yields of food,

>>130241178
>We are literally the most climate adaptable species in the history of the planet.

Tardigrades may still have us beat.

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climate change is a trick for more taxes..thats my experience from greece, when they talk about it it means more taxes

>>130241373
>Study was made in 1985

>>130238696

i'll take burning everyday over the nigger problem you have

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>>130237923

>>130241375
>No reliable sources
Get out

>>130242240
not an argument

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>>130237923
I don't deny that the climate changes over time, I deny the histrionic and unproven model that Leftists use to justify paying for Al Gore's next five mansions.

It's a scam. You got scammed and now you refuse to accept it because it would mean that your precious leaders lied to you. Ignore the fact that they lied to you about literally everything else, THIS TIME they're being honest, and the media they own and the celebrities who own stock in their carbon credit trading unions are being honest, just like they were when they told you about the Gulf of Tonken attack or that 9/11 was done by Osama bin Ladin and not the Saudis or that time they told you about WMDs in Iraq or that time they told you about babies in incubators.

I don't care how much you want me to believe in your stupid religion, I'm not going to.

Also nice chart there, how interesting that we've seen skyrocketing CO2 emissions but no noticeable difference in aggregate temperature.

>>130242011
California is already too dry to support it's current farming operations a 1 degree centigrade change is enough to exacerbate it's continuing multi-year drought severly.

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>>130241771
Might be best just to an hero and avoid the melting ice caps and sky falling. I'm very much concerned about the carbon thing and the panic about the lack of panic about the thing that Al guy was panicking about during the earlier panic.

Actually, I think burning cash produces anti matter co2 which negates normal carbon-oxide-gen, with the help of magnets then it should work.

Fucking magnets, how do they work!? I wanted to ask a scientist, but they're all lying and it's getting me pissed. how can we go fund me a new carbon clock?

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>>130242004
>Excess amount of CO2 trap heat in the Earth's atmosphere

>>130237923
Post the balloon measurements.

>>130241681
>>130238698
Plants are good by themselves
Plants in the atmosphere are bad

>>130242475

http://earthsky.org/earth/california-desert-superbloom-2017

>>130241771
Look, if you truly are what you say you are.

Try to think of it this way, pinning local climate variabilites on a single minor variable like Co2 is nonsense. Local climates are dominated by local variables, think of the Dust bowl for example.

Today large areas are experiencing desertification, but it has nothing to do with Co2, it has to do with human land use. Co2 actually reverses desertification both because it fertilizes plants and makes them more resistant to drought.

The goal of environmental protection should be on terraforming local climates, again like the response to the dust bowl. We could transform the Sahara desert into a vast farmland if we applied the proper techniques. Co2 would actually make such a project easier. It is such local land use and engineering projects that make more sense than trying to shut down industries for putting out one of the most harmless chemicals they can.

It would be better to focus on the mercury being dumped into the ocean, for example, or the countless other real toxins. Co2 is just meant to distract you from the very real dangers that you can change.

Also I just want to point out that if the green house effect is 100% accurate the most cost effective solution is just to build a massive white object to reflect more sunlight into space before it can become heat in the ground.

>>130237923

it's not that. it's that it's a natural cycle and you can't stop it

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>>130242512
The firmaments construction prevents too much heat escaping into the water above which means cooool!

>>130241748
A species goes extinct every hour. We are in the middle of the sixth mass extinction

>>130241791
>Temperatures static over the last 20 years

>>130241564
he's talking about feedback loops that you don't even know exist yet

>>130241993
Buddy, you do realise you did not address his entirely valid criticism.

>>130237923
>computer models
Also everyone know climate changes you arrogant retard

>>130241771
>meanwhile in russia

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>>130241753
It actually has

>>130241791
Elaborate more please.

>>130241950
Your country is being set on fire by climate change

>>130237923
I'm polluting my hardest. I hope you die.

>>130237923
I don't deny climate change. I want more of it. As someone who lives in a cold climate I would love more warm months and longer growing seasons.

I don't care about other places.

>>130237923

Nobody denies that global average surface temperature has risen. We dispute the cause being attributed to carbon dioxide emissions on the basis of the greenhouse gas effect. The greenhouse gas effect does not have a direct cause/effect relationship with temperature increase. Nobody has proven that you can emit a certain concentration of greenhouse gases and expect a certain increase in temperature. There's a strong correlation, and as anyone in statistics will tell you, that means a relationship exists but does NOT specify the direction of that relationship. In other words, there is an equally strong chance that the Earth is warming for a variety of other reasons and that warming causes excess emissions of carbon dioxide. For all we know, there could be a feedback loop where temperature increase -> co2 emission -> additional temperature increase.

Climate science needs to be challenged because green industry is suggesting that we abandon fossil fuels on the basis that they are destroying the planet. If fossil fuels are not in fact destroying the planet or the current trends will continue regardless of fossil fuel use, then there is no cause for alarm.

>>130242668
CO2(like basically everything else in existance) absorbs radiation.
The more CO2 you put in the atmosphere, the more heat is absorbed.
The more heat, the warmer the planet.
This is directly observable.
CO2 is a primary long term driver of climate.

>>130241848
Only a small amount of food can be grown indoors. Not nearly enough to feed 7,000,000,000 people

>>130237923
> scale starts at an arbitrary number

Hmmmm

>>130237923
>"evidence"

>>130238359
>This graph is right, because NASA said so
and you think NASA is never wrong about anything, hmm?

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>>130237923
We don't deny that there is climate change, we deny that it is man made. therefore man can't change the outcome.

>>130241950
The only thing that fucks up third world niggers is the inability to enter into their own industrial revolution

>>130243309
>get a box
>fill it with CO2/H2O/CH4 (the 3 main "greenhouse gases"
>put an IR camera on 1 side
>build a fire on the other
>observe

You can slowly increase the concentration of gas and watch as more and more of the heat signature is blocked.
The more of these that are put into our atmosphere, the greater amount of heat the atmosphere holds.

>>130242240
>>130242240
Kek.. Precisely. The hockey stick graph has already thoroughly been debunked, and no actual scientist uses it didactically. It's two data sets taped together. The first one is a moving average of several hundred to a thousand years. The second piece at the very end is yearly data from the modern era.

Look at a ten year moving average of the stock market for example. See! No spikes or dips. Very smooth.

China and India (People who shit on the street) are not going to save us from climate change. Therefor I don't care unless the world population is culled

>>130242668
I agree with you. CO2 is in no way the central factor when it comes to land desertification. It does, however, cause ocean acidification.

>>130240276
>humans are accelerating the change like crazy
[citation needed]

>>130242240
Not an argument

>>130243345
>CO2 is a primary long term driver of climate.

Only global average climate, and even that has yet to be established conclusively as a 'primary driver' like for example, the sun.

Co2 can't explain why Antarctica is growing while the arctic is shrinking.

Climate scientists still have no idea how co2 changes will impact cloud formation, which in fact plays a larger role in global climate than co2 itself.

And even after all that, you still forget that local climates (you know, the places people actually live) is dominated by local variables and NOT by global variables.

>>130237923
Google what a maunder minimum is and get back to me

>>130240895
>I just graduated from Highschool, currently 18
So you're a fucking dumbass who's drunk on politics. You don't know shit when you're 18. You're a Californian on top of that so you're extra retarded and bordering on subhuman.

>>130237923

Didn't (((scientists))) get caught falsifying temperatures from remote areas? Those remote areas had no instruments for temperature calculations.

It's not denying climate change, climate change so the time. 10,000 years ago sea levels were 300 get lower. The real question that no one can proof is to what degree are humans responsible

So kys faggot

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>>130242414
Lot more people than Al Gore say so

>>130237923
Because green house gases spike every time a volcano erupts. It doesn't mean the world is ending.

If anything, the Leafs are praying for a global warm up. They brought in thousands of moslems to make goat sacrifices to the moon god for their cause.

>>130243716

In order for that conclusion to be valid, the box must imitate the properties of Earth's atmosphere.

Good luck reconstructing that one for an experiment.

Again, like the increase in global surface temperature, nobody is suggesting that there is no greenhouse gas effect. We're suggesting that it can't explain the entirety of warming because thus far, someone can't prove that X emission causes Y increase in temperature. That's why all the climate models are grossly inaccurate.

If you knew that water evaporates due to heat but didn't know the rate of change, you wouldn't conclude that the sun will turn our oceans into a desert.

>>130243237
High energy EM radiation from the sun blasts through the atmosphere and strikes the Earth. It causes warming and some of it is converted into lower energy radiation that's traveling generally up and out into space.

That lower energy radiation can be absorbed by some of the gasses in the atmosphere.

The output is generally static relative to the position of the Earth in it's orbit and distance from the Sun and the output of the Sun.

Different gasses are able to absorb energy at different wavelengths. That's what the chart shows. These gasses overlap with each other in same frequencies. If the wavelength is totally absorbed due to overlap of gasses then adding more of a gas can't cause more warming because it is already absorbing all the energy.

We can measure the absorbed energy from orbit by looking to see what makes it up and out.

CO2 has more or less no possible warming left due to huge overlap of water vapor and it's strong performance in a few wavelengths.

Simply put CO2 can't cause more warming. Which is why every climate model requires methane emissions to cause the 'dangerous' runaway warming.

>>130242647
Weird it's like these things are cyclical or something...

>>130242808
>A species goes extinct every hour.

It's impossible to know that, there are still so many species we don't know about. It could just as easily be 5 or 6 species per hour.

That's unlikely however and no one can seem to be honest about it.

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/12/animals-extinct-last-year-what-to-watch-2017/

>summary: animals that have gone EXTINCT because of ACC

>a specific type of mouse that lived on an island went extinct because of rising sea levels and erosion.
Apparently erosion never happened before now.

>a type of frog which is not extinct at time of writing and it's being killed by a fungus not ACC

>a type of dolphin without enough mating pairs due to bad fishing practices not ACC

>a type of parrot due to habitat destruction and trapping, not ACC

>giraffes; still alive but being poached to extinction, not ACC

>big cats, still alive, decline caused by habitat loss and the fact that they are a danger to humans/livestock not ACC

>rhinos/elephants, still alive, poaching, not ACC

>specific kind of bee, still alive no reason given

>>130244224
Please archive
https://archive.is/K2tCj

>>130237923
K now show us how CO2 correlates with temperature :^)

>>130242483
Please don't breed.

>>130242192
So ?

>>130237923

>0.025% vs. 0.040%
>You get up one morning in Siberia in 2100 and it's -39C instead of -40C

Big fucking deal. It ain't worth however much the liberal faggots are trying to steal from me.

Also, their countries are either going to be Islamic Republics or the northern states of Mexico by then, so why should I give a fuck.

>>130243151
Is that a fucking XKCD chart? You believe that shitlib? Ahahah
Well I was 18 once as well, you'll stop being a retard someday.

>>130243003
Over the last 20 years we have had no warming. While over that same 20 years 25% of all human CO2 emissions happened.

If CO2 was causing warming you think that having 25% of it happen would have some measurable warming to go with it.

>>130243151
Do you not feel fucking retarded for posting a graph with no y-variable? There's no graduation, no data points, I can only assume it's measuring temperature because of the red and blue colors.
This looks like an actual political cartoon, the fact you thought this was refuting at all what I said shows how pitifully irrational you are.

>>130237923
Because it's retarded.
Checked and rekt: http://climatechangereconsidered.org/
Oh. And OP is a huge faggot.

>>130243435
1. We can just grow closer to the poles in a warmer world.

2. We grow many times more food than 7 billion people require now and we still can't feed them all. It's a problem a distribution not of growing capacity.

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>>130244255
Hero Norway

>>130242699
Then you don't understand the basics of why our planet is inhabitable. The sun is not what keeps us warm enough. It is the radiation being emitted from the earth's core.

If our core ever cooled down we would be screwed. We aren't actually close enough to the sun for the sun's radiation to sustain life.

In a billion odd years, when our core does inevitably cool and start to solidify like Mar's, a thick blanket of green houses gases will be our salvation.

Think on that enviro-fags.

>>130243677
Man isn't CAUSING it. Man is ACCELERATING it

>>130243821
Right, but we know that the Ocean has survived being more acidic than it is now.

What is less certain is how allowing mercury to bio-accumulate, or how fertilizer creating algae blooms will impact it in the long term.

There are so many other major things happening to environments that have more direct, devastating, measurable impacts, stuff that we know the environments has NEVER really experienced before. Yet you gloss over all of that to focus on one that clearly the environment has handled.

>>130244169
Could this be true?
Seems like the best rebuttal to climate skepticism shaming

>>130237923
>It's a "/pol/ deludes themselves into thinking their graphs outweigh decades of scientific research" episode

>>130243345
Except it's been proven that there is diminishing returns for CO2. The absorption drops off. It's not linear and it's not exponential.

Of course that is beside the point it's not worth wrecking trillions of dollars of economy to fix especially "if" the theory is correct which is THE DAMAGE IS ALREADY DONE.

>>130237923

(((evidence)))

>>130243881
Look up the Greenhouse effect

>>130237923
Much larger temperature swings in pre-industrial times, which are unaccounted for by climate "science".
The bogus claim that CO2 measured in ppm is responsible for disporportionate changes in surface temps.
There has been no experiment to prove co2 concentration causes so-called greenhouse effect.
Climate change is happening across the solar system, Mars' ice caps just melted.

>>130244531
Accelerating it by a tiny percentage. The difference of maybe 100 years. It's a joke.

>>130244129
http://time.com/4706774/science-journals-fraud-study/

>>130237923
>for 650000 years
hmm

>>130244790
Yeah, there's a fucking ceiling to the effect. If you crazies were actually right this planet would already be a molten slagball the last time CO2 flooded the atmosphere.

>>130244129
97% of scientists agree that global warming is a greenhouse gas.

You would have to have an iq less than 120 to think that means they believe that man is the driving force of all climate changes or that catastrophic things will happen in 100 years because of co2.

despite what leftists would have us beleive, voting has nothing to do with science or the truth

>>130237923
so just plant more trees then?

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>>130244224

>>130244562
We actually know what happens when in the right areas you cause algae blooms.

You can get massive fish growth.

A native band in BC, Canada did iron seeding causing huge algae blooms. During the next year's salmon run that government scientists had predicted to be below average came back at 4 times the highest recorded amount. The next year came in at 2 times more than the old record.

This iron seeding matches with native lore in that years of volcanic eruptions have huge fish runs in the following years.

CO2 capture, and huge fish gains.

But we can't do that because it only costs a few million dollars and you can't get your carbon tax.

>>130244482
Oh yeah, that's why all the plants die and temperatures fall when cataclysmic volcanoes cover the atmosphere in ashe for centuries.
Because the sun is useless.

>>130244938
You can tell when someone is spouting bullshit when they put caveats like that.

>>130237923
>graphs with emotional themed colored imagery and pysochological colorschemes and obfuscated "NASA DID ID :^)" methodology and sources

POLITICAL PSEUDO"""SCIENCE""" DISCARDED

>>130237923
>for 650000 years

how old is earth now? 4 billion?

>>130244993
Oops co2 rather

>>130244891
http://time.com/4806727/climate-change-oceans-pollution-un/

>>130244792

Maybe that big yellow ball of fire is in some way responsible, but what do I know - I don't have a bachelor's degree in engineering like Bill Nye or a PhD. Just a Master's.

https://aleteia.org/2017/06/15/signs-of-global-warming-found-on-mars/

>>130244792
>Much larger temperature swings in pre-industrial times, which are unaccounted for by climate "science".
>This is what climate deniers actually believe

>>130244706
CO2 emissions were at their peak about 100 years ago. We're just now seeing a spike? It's not believable.

I used to live in what was once the most polluted city in my country. The air was so bad that women's nylon stockings would disintegrate by the end of one day of use.

I mean, this place was really filthy. Then they started a massive clean up about 30 years ago. The difference is night and day.

This kind of environmental renewal is pretty wide spread in developed countries.

If anyone is screwing up the clean up, it's China and their ilk.

They don't even have an excuse. We made the mistakes first, and supposedly they are intelligent enough to learn from them.

>>130244603
so you are deluded then?

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cuz its made up to steal tax money
same game since 1800s
slaughter all greens and environmetnalists
and hek democrats

>>130244603
Guess since you're here that applies to you too, fucking idiot.

>>130245026
The hilarious thing about eco-fascists is they want to freeze ecosystems in time. It's not about natural progression, it's a zero-sum no animal left behind strategy. The Earth going up a couple degrees IS NOT GOING TO KILL ALL LIFE. It will change the world, yes, but we will keep dancing on.

>>130237923
>adding CO2 mass to the atmosphere
>rising temps

Air pressure would skyrocket. But it's not. Cause you're a faggot.

>>130244482
In a billion odd years, we better not still be on this fucking planet.

>>130245244
>>130245317
I'm not a denier lads

>>130245048
>But we can't do that because it only costs a few million dollars and you can't get your carbon tax.

T.T

well, thanks for the new info, that's interesting.

>>130243435
I don't care about animals in africa. Subhumans can die in their african shithole.

>>130242699
Lot more hard than you think

>>130245232
I'm with you, I believe it's all bullshit. Even if you buy their story, the cost to "fix it" is catastrophic on its own. Potentially millions of people will go into poverty and probably starve.

>>130245164
>UN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3m-bcaCVbM

>>130243976
When looking at the globally, individual climate zones are irrelevant.
It is looking at the overall trend period.
If Antarctica gains .5lbs of ice for every 1lb lost by the Arctic, we are still losing.
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/nasa-study-shows-global-sea-ice-diminishing-despite-antarctic-gains

Anytime someone says "Scientists have no idea..." You should immediately treat this with skepticism, maybe look into it instead of blindly regurgitating talking points.
https://www.mpg.de/6337430/carbon_dioxide-climate-change_clouds

No one is "forgetting local climates"
When I'm looking at a global average, I don't give a fuck if it was raining in Pittsburgh on 3 Thursdays ago.
If it was raining for 3months straight across a third of america, that might be more important.

Finally, why don't you debate that actual physics on CO2 in the atmosphere?
We can clearly measure concentrations, those concentrations are rising.
Humans consume fuel, all of which produces CO2 at some level. A portion of that CO2 increases the concentration of the CO2 in the atmosphere.
Higher CO2 concentrations allow for greater heat absorbtion.
Leading to higher global temperatures.

Go on, debate that bitch.

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>>130237923
The real threat to the environment amd to human civilization is obvious---mudslimes and niggers breeding like vermin till they hit the limit of the planet's supply of food, fresh water and fuel.

Naturally, nothing is being done about that.

>>130245417
If you wanted I could dig it up and get a link but it's sorta a one off issue.

Environment Canada did send a recovery team in full tactical gear to seize the records. Which was overkill for a tiny native village on the coast of BC.

>>130237923
Most people accept climate change. The problem is that instead of doing things to stop it, politicians just use it as an excuse to tax people.
The only way to stop it is to stop deforestation, but the politicians refuse to stand up to corporations.
Also, China's pollution dwarfs the West in comparison and they don't give a shit what you think.

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>>130237923
c02 refraction has NEVER been proven to affect global temp faggot, but the src's have....

>>130240764
China.
Your move.

>>130244329
Full graph: https://xkcd.com/1732/

>>130245026
You do realize that only about 1/3 of that 'scary graph' is actually species that are near extinction and that the other 1/3 is predicting on a laughably large scale considering how poor humans are at long term prediction of generalized events.

>>130245513
CO2 models have been proven wrong time and time again. It's also been shown that adding more CO2 to the atmosphere does not infinitely add to the green house effect and that there is actually a saturation point where adding more DOES NOT add more heat.

But sure, we'll believe the scientists that said 40 years ago we were going into an ice age.

>>130245371
why>?

machines will make environment awesomer than ever and fake tits n personal lipo be cheap

>>130244943
>anarcho capitalist
why am i not surprised?

>>130245495
anita should be burned alive

I wonde rif witch burnings were to burn sjws of old

I deny that it will be catastrophic for the global north, in fact many regions will reach the temperature "Goldilocks zone" for economic activity in countries white people live in. And eventually green energy will reach cost parity with fossil fuels before it gets too bad.

>>130245513
>Higher CO2 concentrations allow for greater heat absorbtion.
To the limit of energy available.

>>130244531
The scientists claiming this, get paid to say this. If their results were different, they would loose their funding.

>>130244824
A "tiny percentage" can cause a shitload of damage

>>130245613
This page seems to have a bit of info and from a glance seems fairly neutral.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_fertilization

>>130245950
A tree hugger with no brain operating purely on feels-based propaganda, why am I not surprised.

Sometimes I want to act ecologically friendly then I think about people like you and I don't feel bad driving my 20 mpg luxury sedan.

>>130246204
HUGE EXAGGERATION BATMAN

K buddy. I'll be over here in reality.

>>130245456
I was thinking floating a sheet of styrofoam the size of the EU out into the Atlantic right around the equator.

>>130244333
>>130246111

Trips rule and show the truth.

>>130239904
Mercury is closer than Venus. Venus is still hotter because of greenhouse gases. Checkmate nigger

>>130246755
Rekt

>the Sun is expanding and getting hotter...what are going to do about climate fags?

>>130246223
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/376258/pacifics-salmon-are-back-thank-human-ingenuity-robert-zubrin

"In fact it has been a stunningly over-the-top success. This year, the number of salmon caught in the northeast Pacific more than quadrupled, going from 50 million to 226 million. In the Fraser River, which only once before in history had a salmon run greater than 25 million fish (about 45 million in 2010), the number of salmon increased to 72 million."

>>130245513
>https://www.mpg.de/6337430/carbon_dioxide-climate-change_clouds

That's a single speculative theoretical paper with no experimental verification. Yes, truly scientists don't know what the overall feedback from cloud formation is, and it's one of the larger factors causing models to be inaccurate.

Here's a pro-climate change site on the topic:
https://www.skepticalscience.com/clouds-negative-feedback.htm
>Evidence is building that net cloud feedback is likely positive and unlikely to be strongly negative.

Do you see how between your link and mine, all those qualifiers of uncertainty? Fucking blind imbecile.

I don't deny that Co2 causes a greenhouse effect, but that isn't what climate change is about. Rather the climate change debate is really that there are going to be feedback loops that exacerbate the greenhouse effect.

And again, you fail to realize that all that really matters is local climates. Who cares if it's 1 degree warmer where nobody lives? We have the ability to shape local climates via terraforming methods to benefit from greater co2 concentrations. We have already demonstrated the ability to shape local climates in far more drastic strides than a single degree celsius.

You keep focusing on the global average, not even realizing that's not a direct physical observable. It doesn't exist outside of a statisticians room. Local climates exist in reality, global averages exist only in your head.

That's why what I'm talking about matters more, you useful idiot.

I was told evidence is meaningless in the real world.

>>130237923
>for 650 million years

what happen with the CO2 before then?

>>130245513
https://www.skepticalscience.com/clouds-negative-feedback-intermediate.htm

At the intermediate level:

>Although the cloud feedback is one of the largest remaining uncertainties in climate science

>>130247307
People invented CO2 to make cars go faster

>>130247475
Cloud formation is so hard to understand that cosmic rays are expected to be important in cloud formation.

>>130247670
I saw some of those links popping up when I searched. Pretty interesting.

>>130246970
In terms of pulling CO2 from the atmosphere using iron fertilization, it sadly doesnt achieve much
https://m.phys.org/news/2016-03-seeding-iron-pacific-carbon-air.html

>But the researchers in the new study say that increased algae growth in one area can inhibit growth elsewhere. This is because ocean waters are always on the move, and algae also need other nutrients, such as nitrates and phosphates. Given heavy doses of iron, algae in one region may suck up all those other nutrients; by the time the water circulates elsewhere, it has little more to offer, and adding iron doesn't do anything. The study appears today in the leading journal Nature.

>"There's only a limited amount of total nutrients in the oceans. So if there's greater use in one area, it seems you'd have lesser concentrations in other areas," said lead author Kassandra Costa, a doctoral student at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory who led the analysis. "The basic message is, if you add to one place, you may subtract from another."

I havent seen a study which applies the same logic to total fish numbers in oceans. But based on the findings of this reasearch I'd suspect it would also find that increased productivity in one area would result in reduced productivity elsewhere for a net gain of not much

>>130247130
Can't handle all the facts coming your way? Gtfo

>>130248045
Oceans don't smoothly mix water, you can have eddy currents trapping water for huge amounts of time.

The idea that using in one place displaces stocks in another is moronic.

When the fish runs grew massively and have done so with each major volcanic action in the area, where is the actual counter data?

It sounds more like panic.

>“It is now more urgent than ever that governments unequivocally ban such open-air geoengineering experiments,” she said. “They are a dangerous distraction providing governments and industry with an excuse to avoid reducing fossil-fuel emissions.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/376258/pacifics-salmon-are-back-thank-human-ingenuity-robert-zubrin

>>130245778
It was actually from a webcomic. Fucking bravo.

>>130237923
climate change is real, its not man made tho tree fucker

>>130248045
>such as nitrates and phosphates.

Considering agriculture runoff is dumping tons of those into the Ocean, we should be dandy

>>130237923
The climate is always changing, no one denies this. Has burning fossil fuel raised the level of CO2, absolutely. Has global temperatures risen as a result of nature and greenhouse gases, yes certainly. To what extent of that is natural vs greenhouse gas caused, who knows. Is there a point that plants die due to lack of CO2, yes. Were we getting close to that point, YES. Could we have inadvertently saved plant life on this planet by releasing CO2, YES. Could the costs of trying to reduce CO2 be larger then the costs doing nothing, YES.

>>130247130
what the fuck is this bruh

>>130239633
Yer and the fucking sun

>>130237923
If you want to make an argument for climate change don't do it with the climate. Scientists are unable to actually give you data on how much humans affect climate only that there sure that we do. No fucking shit. However we got people who think Earth is a Goldilocks in every little thing that we do fucks it beyond all recognition and then we have people who think we are 80 to 90% of the cause but no one can agree what percent we are. Any little bit of volcanic activity that earth does a clips is what humans put in the air every single time, yet this fact is glossed over by everyone.

No you want to go for climate change you go form of pollution perspective. Have somebody sit in a box with a running car and asked them would you get in with them? Then why are we putting it into the air? Do you think even a little bit is a shit that's going to fucking kill you is good for you? And just keep going on and on like this for all the pollution that we put out.

You can make solid arguments against pollution against smog against pumping poison into the air, but you're never gonna make an argument solid enough for climate change on its own.

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>what are volcano's?

>>130249088
Dinosaur era had 5X today's co2, chicken little.

Co2 doubled since 1950 and the effect has been.....what?

I'll admit climate change is real when the left admits that racial differences in intelligence is real.

>>130237923

>Climate Change

At least you're finally using the right marketing buzzword.

Global Warming was just too farcical.

>>130254237
>a clips is
but yeah the pollution's a good point, especially looking at shit like coral reefs where the human impact is undeniable and tragic.

>>130255121
the dinosaurs depended too much on fossil fuels.

>>130240755
All within less a degree.

>>130255804
Temperature is relative, some days it's the coldest it has ever been, some days it's not, the global average may have gone up but some people experienced a milder summer than ever before.

however, you go on about how we pump literal poison into the air, its far easier and more objective to get change, which in turn, also helps climate issues if we are the major bad, which it has yet to be proven to me we are, as far as i know we are just a factor.

>>130257919
CO2 is plant food... unless you're talking other pollutants...

>>130244129
Not an argument. It's factually incorrect and I don't care how many people think it is, I have looked at the evidence and it does not match what they claim.

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>>130237923
because you're a child if you really think an increase in temperature in the last thousand years is anything that this planet cant handle

>>130237923
CO2 is literally the biggest meme.
The sun is the driver of our climate and is responsible for all warming and cooling events that have happened in the past.

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>>130241771
>He thinks his food is grown outside
>He thinks his food is grown in low-temperature, low-CO2 environments

Does anyone have a source that provides raw data? I know many studies don't find that to be pertinent, and have certainly presented things with dubious data, but not a single one of these shitty graphs, on either side, has error bars or any other proof that the data isn't complete shit.

>>130237923
>Why do you guys deny Climate Change evidence?

Because it's made up by greedy banks who lie to make more money.

>>130239962
I was thinking about this very thing. Got a source?

>>130237923
And when did you see the incontrovertible proof of the causal relationship between CO2 levels and global warming?
If you can't prove that then you can't prove that climate change is anthropogenic.

If you really care about the environment, then how about promoting massive population control in Africa, Asia and the Middle-East? We need to cull those populations drastically. Then we need to maintain policies in the West to gradually reduce our populations to more manageable levels.

In tandem with measures to prevent population growth we must also ensure that third world countries stop polluting so much. While Western nations may consume vast quantities of energy and goods, we have sophisticated networks of systems at play to ensure that our environment remains clean: trash plants to burn the trash, sewage treatment centres, recycling of plastics, paper, glass, etc. The third world has none of this and their countries are massive dumps as a consequence.

Stop believing the retarded idea that: America is the largest producer of CO2 therefore America is bad.

>>130237923
Yeah Hockey Shtick...besides 650k in climate history is nothing.Most the time in earths climate history CO2 was much higher.And life still developed and thrived.So why in the world should we believe know fraudsters ?