Free Speech is Dead

>>130209256
K I L L Y O U R S E L F

Kys

>>130209256
Kys

>>130209256
She told him to get back in the car. That is what fucked her.

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>>130209256
Ghost Your Self

>>130209256
KYS Nigger!!!!

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But she didn't just tell him to kill himself, she also knew he was dying and didn't help or call someone to help.

Americans are fucking retarded MUH free speech.

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>>130209256
Free speech has never meant freedom from repercussions.

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>>130209256
Keep
Yourself
Safe

>>130209489
is this violation of the NAP?

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Murda urself my man

GYS & KYS M&D! I EEFING HAET U M&D! IWIWNB! IHAET U M&D! Ghost your self mom and dad i fucking hate you mom and dad i wish i was never born i hate you mom and dad.

Why is this rustling so many jimmies? Telling mentally ill people to kill themselves in a sustained campaign of mental abuse is most definitely illegal.

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>>130209931
>American court says she's guilty
>omg why is america so retarded

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>>130209256
Kill yourself fag

>>130210103
lol

>our society has free speech, it's just if you say anything bad you'll go to prison! Totally free!

>>130209931
the leaf is right. the first amendment does not cover knowingly letting somebody die and not helping or calling for help. she is an accessory to it now and its her own fault, this is part of the reason why suicide isn't legal.

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>>130209256
Hey OP kill yourself.

>>130209256
I'd nut in her pussy

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>>130209256

>>130209256
>Knowing let someone die and do not assist

That's just mean

>>130209256

> oh noo, womens braindead fascist laws now turning against women
> i am supposed to feel sorry
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>130209256
this is fucking disgusting. it overreaches the law by a mile. she never touched the guy what the fuck. invoulantary manslaughter for TEXTS? fuck this shithole country.

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>>130209256
Women are objects, so they shouldn't have protection under the law.

>>130209256

What she did is far worse than manslaughter. It was deliberate and pre-meditated. I would convict her in a heartbeat. If what she did isn't covered by the law then the law needs to be changed. Scumbag.

>>130211793
>women's fascist laws
you are a moron. suicide is illegal for 1) to give police a clear set of rules and guidelines for handling the situation 2) allowing the courts to charge shitty people like parents or peers that contributed to the death with accessory. you don't honestly think they made laws against suicide hoping it would deter people do you? its for justice.

>>130209256
Not it's not, it's illegal to take it as far as she did. Did you see the fucking chat log? Bitch was crazy

>>130210386

Yup. If words can be manslaughter, how can defending yourself from them with force to save your own life, not be legal?

>>130210749

This.

>>130209256
>Now

Uhh no, retard. This has always been illegal.
Why even create a thread if your so uninformed about the topic?

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>>130209489
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>>130210479
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>>130211492

enjoy prison faggots

>>130213072
you didn't use proper pronouns! time for us to take away your kids and put you in prison for crimes against the marginalized, you fucking bigot!!

>>130209256

now you pathetic basement losers can't bully people from your safe spaces. (facebook, twitter, etc.)

>>130211131
Dead slaves can't pay the government.

>>130213072
That's not how this works faggot. This girl didn't tell a stranger to kill themselves one time on an anonymous board. She knew he was disturbed and encouraged it. She knew he was dying and where he was and did nothing after helping create the situation. KYS faggot.

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>>130213072
Rake, bag, and burn yourself in a brush fire leaf

>>130213463
nice "argument" edgelord. you probably support antifa

>>130210103
This

>>130211119
>USA is breest country!
>horryay breedom!
>you mean i HAB to ged a job or else ill starbe??
>THIS IS NOT BREEDOM!!

amerishits

>>130209256
Involuntary manslaughter??? were thete any precedents the defence could have argued against, it seemed like a weak argument for the prosecution.

>>130209256
OP is retard who repeatedly ignores the actual reason she was convicted: the thread

>>130213548
It sounds like she was pretty fucking whacked out herself. She was going on and off meds and kept texting him for weeks after he died.
>>130213672
We're property at this point, I fail to see how acknowledging that makes me a communist, another system where you are communal property.

>>130209256
when has it ever been legal to incite violence?
thats literally the first qualifier to the first ammendment

>>130209256
Kill yourself

Bill of rights can never be a crime, just people are stupid to believe the state can take away something god has granted

>>130209256
Pathetic and this is why civic nationalism will not work. The constitution will be interpreted out of existence by kike judges. The USA must be dismantled into ethnostates where whites can write their own constitution.

You can still anonymously tell people on the internet to kill themselves. But if you encourage someone you're close with to kill themself and they do, you should be punished.

why do you faggots not understand that this oversteps the law on free speech rights? the very nature of what defines 'manslaughter' in america explicitly, and rigidly, defines the very basic requirement that there needed to be serious *physical* injury sustained by the victim, from the alleged attacker. this girl was nowhere near this motherfucker. he killed himself on his own. no one forced him, he made the choice by himself. it doesn't matter for how long or how many times she fucked with him, she literally did not commit the crime she is accused of. this case should have been thrown out of court years ago, and this verdict is completely unconstitutional. she will win freedom on appeal for these reasons.

>>130214252
>god

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>130211119
>tell your 9 year old child to eat rat poison
>he eats rat poison and dies
>lol freeze peach dude
sorry dumb fuck it doesn't actually work like that.

Instead of getting an attorney you sue the police, for massive crimes, title 18 241, 242, 3, 4
Title 42 1982,1983,1986

Looking at 100 million dollar settlement

>>130213694
you are comparing apples and oranges tho.

not contributing to society actually affects civilization. talking shit means nothing as it is just noise that isn't inherently dangerous or detrimental to civilization. I mean why would your feelings be superior to my freedom to speak my mind? You are obviously in the wrong here you selfish child. sticks and stones bitch.

>>130213899
Perhaps her lawyers did a shitty job of explaining that then, but OP thinks that she was convicted merely because she said kill yourself. This was much more involved than a flippant shitty statement.

>>130213072
>those tabs
Quality leaf shitposting

>>130209931
This is what really fucked her cover. She told him to get back in the truck and when he did, ahe didnt bother calling authorities, fully aware that he was killing himself. That's what fucks you over.

>>130209256
kys

>>130209256
kill yourself

>>130212643
so you attack back with words?

>>130214378
you can commit manslaughter without being physically present.

>>130210749
Because /pol/ is most likely filled with a shitton of kids around 16-19 that are still edgelords.

>>130211131
bullshit, real life isn't Seinfeld

you see a person getting attacked on the street, you can't be arrested for not helping or not calling the police

she was convicted cause she told him to get back into the car

>>130209256
Oh look at her whimpering, what a poor girl telling her boyfriend to kill himself over and over, such a sad story for her.

https://www.bizarrepedia.com/charged-with-suicide/

>>130210103
that's not free speech

>>130209256
Kill yourself.
I've been saying it regularly since 1997.

>>130211131
You're wrong. No one has a obligation to help a guy about to fall from a bridge or someone who's doing something dangerous. Her fuck up specifically, outside of the fact that she essentially groomed the guy to kill himself over the course of months and told him to get back into the truck, she failed in her duty to care.

>In tort law, a duty of care is a legal obligation which is imposed on an individual requiring adherence to a standard of reasonable care while performing any acts that could foreseeably harm others. It is the first element that must be established to proceed with an action in negligence.

>>130210386
yes tomahawks have been launched

>>130209256
Let's not act like all she did was say "Go kys lmao"

>>130209256
Don't let prison be your home, bin that phone!

>>130209256
If I tell someone to kill someone and they do it, i am an accomplice, even if it is themselves. That has ALWAYS been illegal you fucking retard.

>>130215033
Generally, that's correct. However in Tort Law there are NO DUTY rules, too. There is no duty to rescue UNLESS there is a special relationship. Arguable gf/bf might be that.

>>130209256
This will be appealed all the way to the Supreme Court, no?

If overturned on appeal it'd be a pretty decent bulwark against further infringement on free speech but I have a hard time seeing the difference between her and Charles Manson. She may roll the dice on appeal and come out a murderer.

>>130209758
He could have said no. She's not Professor X.

>>130214941
Yeah it is, they can't stop you from saying the words, printing them, or otherwise communicating them. But they can nail your ass to a wall for causing damage to others through your speech.

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>>130209256
so Ill go to jail for having this saved?
I post it A LOT.

>>130210103

That's exactly what it means you fucking moron. The only way to control speech is to make people fear the repercussions of speaking. Either that or cut everyone's fucking tongue out.

>>130214955
How many people have you killed psycho?

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Look up Brandenburg vs. Ohio.

It's illegal only if violence is imminent. The guy was really considering killing himself and her texts put him over the edge.

In contrast, I could be a communist and say that the state should seize all property (violence), I could be a KKK guy and say that we should kill all non-whites (violence), etc. but it would still be legal because violence would not be *imminent*.

t. not a lawfag

>>130215501
No, if anything, she gets a harsher sentence.

>>130214768
i'm pretty sure that's not how that works. but what do i know, i'm only a paralegal.

you can be found criminally negligent for knowingly leaving a baby locked in a room and not feeding it, but that doesn't constitute manslaughter. involuntary perhaps, but literally being no where around someone, when the cause of their death was 100% self-inflicted does not, and cannot constitute manslaughter. that is absolutely ridiculous. i don't expect anyone to be well versed in the law. but criminal law is very disctinct about this kind of shit; albeit they like to make up their own rules in the courts and twist the law for the results they want. either way, telling someone to do something does not hold you liable for their actions. they have free will. he was not forced. he was not held hostage. he did that to himself.

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Roasties btfo

>>130209931
Says the Canadian

>>130216181
>kekistan flag
Faggot retard spotted

>>130211388
That's a nigger word, shill.

卐 1488 卐

>>130210749
wrong. he could have lost this girl's number. he could have turned off his phone. he could have completely changed his number, but he knowingly and willingly continued contact with this girl. there's alot of would have, could have, should have here. but the end result is that he was not in a situation where he had no possible means of escape. he intentionally, knowingly, and deliberately continued to have contact with this girl and killed himself, by himself. what part of that are you not understanding?

>>130209256
t. Didn't pay attention to the case
Telling some rando to kill themselves is not illegal.
Repeatedly hounding someone over multiple years with this and repeatedly telling them to go back and finish the job when they have second thoughts is. The key difference is that they had a relationship with this person that gave them an edge in convincing them to actually kill themselves, and the duration of time over which they sent these messages.

tl;dr fucking kill yourself

>>130214542
https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

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>>130209256
kill yourself, faggot

>>130215033
he was not under her care. she was not his caregiver, mother, hospital assistant, tard wrangler, or otherwise. she had no such obligation.

>>130216497
>letting niggers steal words

Cuckold.

>>130216546
He could have done a lot of things if he was in a sane and stable mental state, yes. Clearly he wasn't. It's almost like context such as this matters in court, wow.

WAS SHE A /POL/-ak?!?!

>>130210103
Freedom of Speech does mean Freedom from consequences for your speech retard. What it doesn't mean is Freedom from criticism. Why can't people tell the fucking difference?

No, in that particular jurisdiction and under that particular judge, it is illegal to exploit a trusted relationship to create a relationship of dominance which is then in turn used against an individual with a particular susceptibility in order to convince him to an hero.

I've said this many times on /pol/, and I likely will say it many times more, but please do not fancy yourself a legal expert if you have zero understanding of legal principals and zero experience in the field. You don't realize how foolish you people look when you spout off nonsense that's entirely off base in an attempt to seem knowledgeable about a field that literally rewires the brains of those who do it for a living.

>>130216546
Shut the fuck up and kill yourself. Your retarded shit posting has gone far enough. Everyone else seems to be aware of the law with the exception of you. Shut the fuck up. The judge ruled and your still a fucking retard.

>>130215783
>But they can nail your ass to a wall for causing damage to others through your speech.

that's not free speech

>>130214892
lol you are just some edgy 12 year old libertarian who is too stupid to study why there are laws against suicide. kill yourself you little polesmoker.

>>130210887
haha virgin

>>130209256
Appeals court will throw it out.

>>130215033
>>130215783
you libertarian 12 year olds are hilarious. you need to read a little history and law before you make your edgy posts.

Mason a bitch.

>>130216955
Speech is only protected, albeit still with its own limitations, insofar as it relates to the act of speaking. Content has, for more than a century, been subject to certain regulations. This can take the form of various accomplice liability crimes, i.e. You provide detailed plans to rob a bank to an individual you know happens to rob banks for a living.

>>130209256

Assassinate yourself.

come get me /u/CIA

>>130215863
>>130216955
>yelling fire in a crowded place resulting in several people getting killed by being trampled.

Muuuhh free speech. I've seen dingle berries that were higher hanging fruit than these fucking arguments.

>>130209256
They will convict us all! Kill yourself while you can

>>130217068
>HURR JUDGES CANT EVER BE WRONG

Kill yourself faggot.

>>130217407
reddit please leave

>>130210887
r a r e

>>130217263
Fuck you Jordan/Zac

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>>130209256

Consider how many Women like her are in The West.

http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/subject/knowledge%20bomb/username/anonymous5/tripcode/%21%219O2tecpDHQ6/

This shouldn't be punishable, or if it is, it should have lenient penalties.

Besides the free speech angle (who hasn't told someone else to kill themselves, seriously) a man weak enough to be convinced to kill himself like this doesn't deserve to be a part of the gene pool. She was doing the right thing.

>>130217380
these 12 year olds think a bank employee can call the mafia up, tell them the security codes and when the law comes looking for them go: LOL 1ST AMENDMENT BRUH

>>130210887
PROOF !
R
O
O
F

!

I demand

>>130217117

There are no laws against suicide you dumb fuck. You gonna throw a corpse in jail?

>>130217558
I can't tho, my (((friend))) just died.

>>130216955
>mob boss tells guy to kill a guy
>guy kills guy
>mob boss is clean because free speech
WHY ARE YOU FUCKERS THIS RETARDED???
WHY?

>>130217478
1. Unless you can define the metric upon which you base the claim that the judge is "wrong", by virtue of being a judge and determining questions of law, his rulings are correct until otherwise appealed and overturned

2. Any attorney who has worked in the criminal realm will tell you that this ruling was unsurprising and in line with various doctrines and principals already established in the field.

>>130217795
you have to be 18 to post here kiddo

This will be overturned on appeal.

involuntary manslaughter for telling someone to re-enter danger lmao

>>130216181

guess what involuntary manslaughter is lmao. You can certainly be found guilty of manslaughter for omissions: if you share a special relationship with the decedent and did not at least attempt to help them.

This case is unique for a couple reasons. First, the special relationship between boyfriend/girlfriend is not recognized, at least by common law, nor was it even discussed in the opinion. Second, the actus reus apparently is the girlfriend telling her boyfriend to re-enter danger, yet also the mens rea/negligent action(?????). The judge says it wasn't her insistence for her boyfriend to kill himself, it was her direction to re-enter the car after he had left it.

>>130216026

Brandenburg is a 1st amendment case, not a homicide case. The rule does nto apply.

>>130217859
Goddamn (((Bezos))) lobby

>>130217412
>dumbfucks trample each other without confirming danger actually exists

We're better off.

>>130209256
>be American shitposter
>"lol faggot kill urself"
>go to jail for life

Everyone involved with this case is retarded.

>>130209758
>implying she actually believed he was doing it

This dude had literally been talking about suicide for fucking YEARS. I seriously don't even believe he was really planning to kill himself; just so retarded he actually did.

>>130216546
fk youre autistic

>>130211930
So would you be okay with pedophiles sending texts to kids convincing them to send nudes to them? Cause they never touched the kids right?? Or would you be okay with imams telling muslims to go out and kill americans, because again, they didn't physically do anything right?

>>130209758
After weeks of him texting about how its what he wants after initially her being against it and wanting him to get help

>>130217897
>until otherwise appealed and overturned

So we agree, now kill yourself.

>>130217917

Better leave then, dipshit.

>>130217035
>>130217035
>it is illegal to exploit a trusted relationship

hi lawfag, fellow lawfag here. that's completely baseless. show me the statues and penal law from this specific locality. i'm not saying you're wrong, but that sounds like a complete bunch of bullshit. if that sentence were true, women would be going to jail non stop for cheating on their boyfriends and husbands for 'exploiting a trusted relationship'. your shit doesn't hold weight. but i'd like to see the proof.

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>>130209256
I love you, OP

>>130218125
1st amendment bruh. there is no law against sexting a minor

>>130218244
what the fuck?

>>130217035
This

thats not exactly what freedom of speech is OP you fucking dumbshit.

>>130217933
it is a felony to aid, assist, or encourage suicide in almost every state you peabrained faggot.

>>130218270
The first amendment doesn't cover calls to violence.

Nor does it cover;

inciting crime, threatening people etc.

>>130218224
edgy

>>130209256
Except telling mentally ill people to kill themselves is not "freedom of speech"

>>130218239
>women going to jail for cheating
>women going to jail for encouraging people to kill themselves who actually do it
Wow non sequitur of the fucking year

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>>130209256
OP, drink the cup! You'll learn to love it!

>>130218634
yeah it was sarcasm. these 12 year old think the 1st amendment protects them from committing crimes lmao

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b-but muh freedom of speech! muh guns! how will I claim superiority over muslim yuropoors now?

>>130218740
Why not? The first amendment doesn't say anything about that.

>>130210479
Haven't seen that flag in awhile.

>>130217933
Seems like you misunderstood the ruling, friend, but fear not! I will assist you:

The verdict was premised on multiple factors to determine whether the actus reus was satisfied. These factors were:

1. The trusted relationship
2. The manipulation of that relationship to create a dominant/subservient relations
3. The particular susceptibility the victim was under, and the fact that the defendant knew or had reason to know of such susceptibility
4. The formation of that relationship and susceptibility created a moral and legal duty requiring the defendant to make reasonable efforts to prevent harm from becoming the victim
5. Failing to notify the police when she knew harm was likely, and using her influence to actually encourage the victim in multiple occasions through persistent presence via text message, and her failure to notify the police upon his disappearance the following day, constituted a violation of that duty.
6. Thus her omissions were determined to be a legal omission by means of failure to render reasonable aid and a violation of her legal duty to do so
7. Her continued encouragment of the victim to kill himself constituted reckless conduct necessary to satisfy the mens rea
8. The social harm is the death of the victim, as are the results.

The only grey area is that there is no statute outlawing suicide, but such a crime has its roots in traditional common law. Given that MA is a common law jurisdiction and has many of its doctrines and rules entrenched in this tradition, this is well within the legal discretion of the judge.

>>130209256
Did you forget that actions speak louder than words.

Only worry if they make actions illegal Anons

>>130218798
Yea, I don't know why anyone would condone or support this sort of behavior, she obviously manipulated him and was somewhat, if not solely, responsible for his death.

To argue that people should be able to behave like this because of the first amendment even though it's not just a blanket to say whatever you want is ridiculous.

>>130214922
Massachusetts is one of the few states where encouraging suicide is not a crime

>>130210887
R A R E
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>>130218125
telling people to go out and kill others is not manslaughter, it would fall under conspiracy. pedo shit is what it is, there's no defending that and it's reprehensible. but you're comparing apples and oranges. you're making the bank teller argument. i.e. if someone goes into a bank with a note and says they have an explosive, "lulz its just words". that's not what's going on here.

>>130209489
kill yourself

>>130219101
there are already laws against this exact thing..this isn't some unprecedented case that has never happened before. its a felony. the only exception is the places where licensed doctors are legally allowed to assist your suicide.

>>130218798
This is seriously disturbing
Are people in the US so inconsequential and clueless about what is criminal behaviour and what isn't ?
Oddly enough, it's kekistan, gadsden and an-cap flags, further proving libertarians are massive dipshits

>>130219237
>sexting a 13 year old being illegal makes totes sense but manipulating someone to kill themselves is just free speech bruh
what a little faggot you must be

>>130218628
she's not dr. kevorkian. she didn't hook him up to chemicals via an IV. she didn't help him tape a pillow over his face. she was NOT PRESENT during the time of his death. you people are fucking dense i swear.

>>130209256
Someone sounds scared. You got anything in your posting history you wish to share with the class?

>>130219237
It's the same thing.. you're saying it's fine because she didn't physically do anything, I'm saying you're responsible for all your actions, physical or otherwise. To think that she somehow isn't is absurd.

She convinced him to kill himself, over the span of several months, even at the end when he got out of the truck she encouraged him to get back in and finish the job. How is she not responsible for his death? Taking into account that he was mentally unstable and relied on her judgement?

>>130219101
This
I can't believe how retarded some of these people are. It's like they're trying to LARP as this cunts defense lawyer or something.

>>130215489
>>130216845
https://youtu.be/kOMFMygoDtY?t=45s
>>130217229
Not an argument.

Anyone know if she was getting BLACKED behind her BF's back?

>words that kill
WOAH

>>130219566
dude there are laws against aiding, assisting, or ENCOURAGING It too. you are the dense one. the only hope she has is that massachusets doesn't have anything on the books, but that doesn't mean she is getting away.

>>130219566
>encourage
You just completely ignored this.
Who the fuck are you kidding?

>>130218909
Because aiding a suicide is illegal and not protected by the constitution, fucking nog

>>130219919
>https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/16/us/suicide-texting-trial-michelle-carter-conrad-roy.html?_r=0
>Legal experts said the judge might have wanted to convey to Massachusetts lawmakers that they needed to pass laws to hold people accountable for their online conduct.
muahahaha they are going to use this as an opportunity to put official laws on the books now too. this little cunt deserves to get raped by a railroad spike. maybe some lesbos will make it happen while she is rotting in prison.

>>130219919
show me this specific law. i asked the other lawfag to show me the statute, no one can come up with it because it doesn't exist, and especially not in any way with this instance.

>>130218955
feels vs reals argument. judge overstepped his power, period. manslaughter via text message is fucking preposterous. because that is what it comes down to.

>>130218239
Well it certainly holds weight insofar as this particular jurisdiction given today's ruling. Given that you allege to be a lawfag then you must be familiar with the doctrine of coercion by means of exploiting an individual's particular susceptibility, as well as the general weight given to violations of trusted relationships to manipulate an individual and induce criminal behavior.

I actually went digging just for you bb, and found this gem:

"Evidence that the defendant had shown the complainant pornographic videotapes or other pornographic material was admissible “as evidence of a pattern or course of conduct engaged in by the defendant to exploit the complainant's trust, and also as evidence of the defendant's motive or intent." Com. v. Jaundoo, 64 Mass. App. Ct. 56, 57 (2005).

You faggots realize that failure to report is what got her, right? When she told him to get back in to the car and didn't call the police when he did, she fucked herself. It wasn't the fact that she told him to kill himself, it's the fact that she knew he had plans to kill himself and did not report him to the police.

>>130220582
Its not via a text message. The judge even said himself it was her influence combined with her inaction that got her the guilty verdict. She was literally talking to him while he was in the act, and at no point did she try to stop him, all the while prior she was encouraging him to do it.

This is basically a case of a bunch of high schoolers bullying someone to the point of suicide, and you're saying they should face no consequences.

>>130215033
She was against it at first and the psycho with a history of suicide attempts before meeting her talked her into it being a good idea

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>there's skilled lawyers shitposting on /pol/ right now

>>130220362
Legal experts tells us what to think after grou9nd breaking finding of what ever the fuck
Why do these .. people get off so much on sucking one guy off? Is it putting him on the map? Who pays him for this after, besides the publicity which of course will be BUSSED IN at cost

I think these people want to tell everyone else, what to .. wtf why dont they kill themselves
I mean, then theyre pussiness even though (whatevr (((they))) are)
uh wont pervade if theyre soworried do us all a favor
KYS first

>>130209256
kek

>>130209489
kys yourself.

>>130210749
retards killing themselves is a good thing. its called eugenics.

>>130209931
>talks shit about americans and free speech
>cant say anything against islam without getting arrested

>>130220836
It's also a form of harassment that led to someones death. Her actions without a doubt INFLUENCED his death.

>>130219237
Providing detailed plans to commit a mass shooting to an individual you know or have reason to know will follow said plans will satisfy actus reus in 99% of jurisdictions in the US.

>dumb cunt convinces mentally ill omega male to commit suicide

Good riddance to both of them. Also, she deserved to be found guilty for that hideous hairline alone.

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>>130220835
NO it didnt commercial law did cause he used it in the act of commerce while driving
IS the FIBI responsible for Popcorn Suttons Suicide?
YOu know that liquor isnt ANY crime. and isnt any of their business. The fbi are just this crooks and bootleggers.

>>130209256
It's been illegal.

>>130220858
That's the dumbest shit I've heard.

>>130209256
I can see an argument being made when you're being very poignant about it, you know like really trying to drive it home, something akin to prolonged psychological torture for example where it can be proven that you had actual intent for the person to carry through with your request.

I don't think it could ever be made to apply to more nonchalant or arbitrary statements where, for example, someone might say something stupid and you say "kys faggot" and carry on with your day.

There's a distinct difference between those two different types of scenarios.

>>130209256

>>130221101
What the fuck did you just say grandpa?

>>130214682
hah the tabs got me too

>>130221358

>>130209256
I'm a leaf so I can confirm OP is truly a retard

>>130221358
>>130221425

>>130221245>>130221450


leafs with the good posts

>>130220582
see
>>130220362
they are going to use this as an excuse to update their law books. this case shifted the winds in massachusetts and i support it. conspiring and coaching somebody to kill themselves shouldn't be protected by the 1st amendment anymore than calling up thieves and telling them the access codes to the bank you work at is. this isn't some muh thoughtcrime muh doublespeak bullshit, this is justice.

>>130215745
did you just assume xirs gender? what if she is him

If someone wants to kill themselves they should just follow through with it, or they're a giant pussy. Saying you're going to kill yourself is just a cry for attention, and you shouldn't give them attention for it. If you care about them, sit with them and talk about it, because chances are they don't really want to kill themselves, they're just looking for a reaction.

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>>130218909
you also can't scream fire in a movie theater. want to know why? because it puts people's lives in danger

>>130220817
no prob falamalam. the outstanding issue with that is that she had nothing to gain by his death. exploitation is a strong word to use here, the purpose of exploiting or capitalizing on someone, regardless of their susceptibility usually requires they end up with some kind of material gain. you talk heavily about common law and relationships, but like i said before earlier in the thread, he could have hung up the phone, turned off his phone, changed his number. he was not trapped in a location physically or otherwise, he had a possible means of escape, he himself continued contact with this girl by his own will, knowingly. he was not forced to keep contacting this girl. how in the world is she responsible for coercion when he had the freedom to not act on any direction under his own discretion? and how the hell this didn't end with a simple harassment charge, i don't know. because that is literally all that happened.

>>130220836
>130220836
loser it wasn't bullying in any way, shape or form.
She was in a fucked up situation and was too young to understand the ramifications of not sharing the information of a personal chat with a third party. When was the last time anybody gave details about a personal text chat to their parents or some other authority figure? Thought so.


Furthermore the first amendment is the first amendment. the Judicial system has continuously chipped away at it with precedent after precedent, and here was another strike against free speech. The only person that should be at fault is this guy that suicided.

>>130216205
No.

>>130209256
Three elements must be satisfied in order for someone to be found guilty of involuntary manslaughter:

>Someone was killed as a result of the defendant's actions.
>The act either was inherently dangerous to others or done with reckless disregard for human life.
>The defendant knew or should have known his or her conduct was a threat to the lives of others.

She meets all three criteria. If she texted for him to not do it, or nothing at all she would not meet all three.

Please don't kill yourselves, I'd miss you.

Hello shill, trying to start an internal conflict I see.

>>130216546
He was the one that convinced her that it was best for him

>>130210103
>from legal repercussions.
Yes actually it has.

>>130221363
Mind yoru own business you cocksucking nigger from where im from they hang you from trees and write RAT on their chest with a knife
heard story 2nd hand. from 1st hand account. i believe maybe they tied him up. FUNNY

>>130221676
>loser it wasn't bullying in any way, shape or form.
i didnt say it was bullying you retard. i said it was a comparable situation. she was complicit in this.
she had influence over him and encouraged him to do it, and while he was literally in the process of killing himself she was on the phone with him. she contacted nobody, not his family, not the authorities. at some point she in fact told him to get BACK INSIDE the truck that was being flooded with co2 and just let him carry on with it.
this isnt a strike against free speech you fucking mong, this is justice.
i dont even understand why you think this is a free speech issue.

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>kys

Kill yourself OP

>>130216569
She was completely against it till it was all he talked about and he the 18 year old adult convinced his minor 17 year old it was the best for him

>>130216467
No step on snek. All meme flags are bullshit. Not a damn one is better than Kekistan. Other that nat soc, naturally.

>>130221645
Is not the same at all

She was in a consensual conversation with a suicidal motherfucker. She deserves no punishment whatsoever

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>>130222045
problem libertarian cuck?

>>130211131
America isn't a socialist shithole so we don't have bullshit "duty to rescue" laws.

>>130218955
You left out the fact that she is a minor, on medication and suicidal.

You also missed OP's point. I am sure this kid has other family members tell him to kill himself, so using your logic they should also be in prison.

Newfag detected.

>>130209256
Yeah and people are gonna get pregnant from me telling them to "go fuck themselves!"

>>130221766
I've been in a similar situation to this girl.
I was seeing this woman who would constantly threaten suicide.
At frst I reacted with concern but after a while I got sick of it.
I eventually told her to just fucking do it because I knew she wouldn't, and she didn't.
This guy actually did do it

>>130221651
You say so much to avoid the simple conclusion, anon. Her exploitation, and yes that's what this almost certain psychopath did, passes the "but for" causation test. With the evidence as presented at trial, but for the defendant's persuasion/coercion, the victim would likely be alive. Were this not the case then the defense would have been able to produce satisfactory evidence supporting the claim that he would have an hero'd without her influence. This isn't really remarkable and actually bears the hallmarks of a bar exam question it's so by the books. The only quirk is that suicide isn't technically on the books of MA, but given their common law roots this kink is inconsequential.

>>130222179
His suicide note was literally only addressed to her. The judge literally said that her inaction, despite having every available opportunity to seek help for this guy is what got her the guilty verdict.
If at literally any point she had decided to contact the police or a family member she would have been in the clear and this wouldnt be a problem. For some reason you're having a really difficult time understanding that fact.

>>130217117
There is also no law against encouraging suicide in Massachusetts either.
And an underage minor cannot accept legal responsibility for an 18+ adult regardless of circumstance.

This is a case of a Judge pulling the muh feelings card over what the law says.

>>130219705
Boyfriend in what sense, they live far apart. They are both nutjobs. No point is served by sending her to prison where she will be getting free room and board.

>>130209931

I can't wait until the day of the rake.

>>130222455
>literally
literally

>>130222275
>America isn't a socialist shithole so we don't have bullshit "duty to rescue" laws.
yes, we do. you live in edgelord land where you think the constitution and bill of rights is all that there is.

>>130220867
It was appealed so someone needs to post the opinion as to why they let it go on

Is deception illegal?

inciting violence is not free speech

>>130216752
how is that false tho? it's literally the same thing

>tell bf to kill himself
>the madman does it
>free speesh xD

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>>130222457
see
>>130220362
lmao there is no going back now. this cunt set a precedent for all future cases in states that don't already have these laws (most have since the 80's though). libertarian cucks BTFO

>>130214705
Been under a rock the entire year, first time I'm reading of this. What happened, what are the main details besides her texting him to an hero?

>>130222387
At some point all people in that situation come to understand that perhaps death may be a better option than a life of pain

The only precedent being set here is that if you encourage someone to kill themselves, you're on the phone with them while they do it and you do nothing to stop or help them, you're guilty.
Seems like justice to me.

>>130221919
you said it in your 'it's the case of' argument, retard.

Everything else you said is fucking stupid

It was a consensual conversation

She was the victim - he put her in a situation that was entirely fucked up, and she was not capable of making any good decision

the judgment infringes on the concept and spirit of free speech

>>130222277
If his family did so in a pervasive and reckless manner, and also told him to get back into the truck after he attempted to leave, then failed to contact the police when he was missing the next day, then yes I would say they would likely be guilty as well. If you are unable to notice the nuance in this position then I don't know what to tell you.

In regards to your attempted volitional defense, I'd say that's pissing in the wind. Setting aside the statistical unlikelihood that such a defense were to succeed (rarely if at all post insanity reform), alcohol and minority statute do not somehow magically negate mens rea for the defendant. Now before you snap back, they CAN be factors when determining whether a victim was exploited/lacked capacity, no such avenues are available as a means to exonerate a minor defendant. Were this the case then juvenile courts would serve no purpose as minors could never be tried. Were you to make this argument in court, I can assure you the judge would totally and completely disregard he rest of your answer out of indignant frustration for your wasting his time.

>>130222455
This guy had the best help available. He had been taken to numerous doctors.

Why aren't the parents in jail?

>>130214542
>tell your mom to try this.

>>130222810
Basically these two were together, she kept encouraging him to kill himself. He set himself up in his truck so he'd suffocate via co2 poisoning. Shes on the phone while he does it, doesnt tell him to get out, doesnt call the cops, doesnt call his parents, at one point tells him to get back in the truck and continue, and now she's been handed a guilty verdict for involuntary manslaughter.
>>130223003
>why arent the parents in jail?
see above
they didnt do any of that

>listening to women
Glad the fuck is dead

>>130210386
Time for the McNukes!

>>130222969
He got the last laugh on her.

>>130209256

OP is a retard. it wasn't just that she told him to kill himself. It was that he was in the middle of doing it and stopped and called her..and she told him to get back in the car and finish it. lol. Just like if you witness a murder, you are supposed to report it. OP is a dumbass. kill yourself.

>>130222969
Oh please fuck off with this pseudo constitutional claim bullshit. This position has so little merit it was not pursued by the defendant's counsel, i.e. Individuals who have a legal fiduciary duty to pursue any and all viable legal defenses for their client. I've not heard any of any attorneys making such claims about this ruling. If you come back with some link to a "legal expert" then I'll know for certain you aren't a practicing attorney because everyone knows a good attorney is still practicing as an attorney. They don't whore themselves out to cable networks.

>>130222973
Hard to explain to a Liberal the concept of personal responsibility. Newsflash, he killed himself, got it.

>>130223063
And this is why the west is dying
>everyone else is responsible but me

>>130209256
Commit suicide and tape it for me merifat

>>130223219
You just bought yourself 5 years in prison. Hope you enjoy being ass raped.

>>130217229
Authoritarian prick. I ask the although it's your right, you not tell me what to do and kindly fuck off that way.>>130221645

>>130223334
>it was the bank owner's personal responsibility to make sure I didn't tell the thieves those access codes
fist amendment bruuuuuuuh

>>130222701
But he wasn't a kid

>>130222969
>She was the victim - he put her in a situation that was entirely fucked up, and she was not capable of making any good decision
what a lord of horse shit
she could have many any other decision that wasnt
a. contact nobody
and
b. tell him to get back in the truck
had she not made both of those decisions she would have been off the hook
i have a feeling you're just trying to play devils advocate to practice your debating skills, but generally you want to pick a legitimately defensible position first

>>130223281
Wasn't the lawyer pro bono?

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>>130209256
HOPE SHE ROTS IN PRISON HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>130209931
so if someone I hate tells me they're killing themself, just say I don't believe them. Got it.

>>130209256
>Now it's illegal to tell someone to kill themselves.

no it's not retard, there is a fucking context to it all

she went on and on and on to him about it, fucked and sucked him, spent time with him

she just didn't text him "kys" and he popped off

fucking simpleton

>>130223362
but you're literally advocating for everyone else to have responsibility for this except for the one person who actually did have responsibility

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There are no such thing as >>130220362
legal experts
thats like a lying retard.

>>130209256

I'd say the messages she sent him were not illegal, but assisted suicide is. She was coaching him to commit suicide.

And there was never freedom to say ANYTHING anyways. Just go ask a 11 year old for sex

>>130223491
How?

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>>130221598
if she had just ignored it like you say she wouldn't be heading to sentencing in july now would she

>>130209256
That isn't freedom of speech idiot. It's enciting violence, panic, or a violent act which you have no protection from. Example, try yelling bomb at LAX. Go ahead, try.

>tell someone to do something
>They do it
>"It was just a prank bro I didn't mean it really"

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>>130209256
Kek, the forehead

>>130220362
This is the judges fault and the faggot that killed himself not the girls

>>130223625
According to this decision you need to document your actions. Be sure and keep a paper trial to protect yourself. Trust me, on any suicide you can find where someone has told the person to do it. Usually, as has been pointed out, it is said in anger or frustration.

>>130223686
nice argument
>>130223688
>Just go ask a 11 year old for sex
"text" would be better than "ask". sadly in this day and age if you asked one in person she'd probably say yes lmao

>>130223334
lol that you would resort to partisan shitslinging in the face of your sheer ignorance only underscores just how moronic you really are. While it has no relevance to the discussion at hand, I am and have been a conservative, have worked with conservative judges, and attended a conservative institution. Just because your twisted reality has convinced you certain concepts are "liberal" does not make it so - the doctrines that support this conviction can be traced back to a time when liberals were people whose principals shaped our very Constitution. Now fuckoff you bellend pissant

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>>130223871
I Was thinking the same shit you could land a plane on it.

OP is a FAGGOT and should go KYS

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>>130213072
kek leaf flag as well, these shitposts are what keep me coming back

>>130223913
how do I do that.

>>130223678
That is how liberal thinks.

He had rich connected parents that knew how to push this. So was a poor fag with a pro bono lawyer.

>>130209256
Are you retarded ? She didn't just say "lmao kys", she pushed her depressed boyfriend to suicide. Have you seen the messages she sent to him ? She was clearly trying to get him to kill himself, that bitch is dangerous and deserves to be in jail

>>130223911
>this is the judge's fault
how? i doubt she even knew the kid while he was alive
>and the faggot that killed himself
i agree. his parents knew he was suicidal, so why aren't they being charged too you ask? because they didn't conspire to assist his dying like the cunt girl did.

>>130215745
Are you sure? Did you look at that forehead?

>>130224194
You gloss over her earlier texts where she encouraged him to seek help.

They are both suicidal

>>130218628
Show me one single statue in any state whatsoever that says it's illegal to encourage suicide through words alone. It's not a thing which is why she's guilt of involuntary manslaughter and not that made up arm chair lawyer law you just cited.

>>130222418
>The only quirk

and therein lies the problem. and why are we not discussing the fact that this girl was underage with no criminal history, and this is first offender status? to chalk this up to literally manslaughter is unprecedented. it is because of this specific non-existence of suicide statute that this case falls flat for the DA. this wasn't some pre-meditated murder. this is a teenage girl being sick of dealing with a mentally ill person and saying things recklessly, but ultimately he killed himself on his own accord. whether or not he 'would have' done it on his own is inconsequential. she cannot be guilty of manslaughter, or even anything close to it for that matter, because she was not present at the time of his death and did not physically cause whatever injury led to his death (acute toxicity). this judge's decision is unironically saying that people can be liable for others' deaths because of text messages; let alone the basic witch hunt that's going on here for someone to blame for this guys poor - but solely self-inflicted - decision.

>>130209489
FPBP

>>130209256
end your life my man

>>130209256
kys

>>130222457
you are correct. this is what i've been arguing this whole time.

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like most women she used his love for her as a weapon of mass destruction. She will be among her type in prison.

>>130223829
>somebody older than you and is your internet bf tells you want to kill yourself and you've tried a few times but are to stupid too actually kill yourself
>spend weeks trying to conceive him no
>He does all the research and gets all the supplies
>convinces you the gf its what he wants and he'll be truely happy
>she wants too know when so you're not alone
>STILL FUCK IT UP BECAUSE YOU SAW IN A MOVIE THAT CARBON MONOXIDE POISONING PUTS YOU TO SLEEP
>END UP A CHOKEY COUGHY SNOTTY CRYONG BITCH AND FREAK OUT AND GET OUT
>CALL YOUR "GF" (who despite living an hour away youve met only 4 times in a year and is just an online and texty girl that you've attatched everything to because youre psychotic and suicidal) to tell her you failed again
>she's been so convinced by you that this is the best thing you can do and says get back in
>FAGGOT DOES IT AND DIES BY HIS OWN HAND
>gf gets blamed
>all legal sense says this won't be a guilty verdict
>FUCKING SHIT JUDGE GOES AGAINST LAWS AND USES THIS AS A PLOY TO GET MUH FEELINGS LAWS MADE AND SERVES YOU UP

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>>130224478
here you go edgemaster

>>130224079
>the victims parents somehow influenced the prosecution enough to dictate which theory they used.

The way in which retards will confidently state such laughably idiotic ideas without an ounce of self awareness is equal parts hilarious and frightening.

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>>130224315
There is no criminal statute against suicide, so I think this will be appealed. Speech can only be criminal if it brings upon lawless imminent action and is likely to produce such action. However, suicide isn't illegal in Massachusetts or federally.

>>130218244
She's a creepy bitch. Like nobody would care if she was fugly

>>130209256
kill yourself

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>>130221766
This is our /law/

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>>130224679
>what is common law

Hint: Judge made law. One of the foundations of all legal systems with their genesis in English Common Law.
Megahint: Such as the US

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thats it, next one who tells me to go fuck myself ...I'am pressing charges.

>>130224530
Whether or not this was her first offense bears no relevance on the charge itself, but rather is one of many factors to be considered by the fact finder when determining sentencing. Again, please make more than a cursory attempt to understand the matters which you choose to discuss.

>>130209256
TO THE SUPREME COURT!!!

>>130223063
Phone call or text?
Interesting scenario, and isn't cases like this the reason for the existence of tiered manslaughter?
From what I read she did have a position of authority, but at the same time she took no physical action against the twat. I wonder what her defense argued.

>>130217558
>>130217859
>>130217992

>>130217035

>lmao meme posting with my friends
>old enough to be in law school

k

>>130224859
See
>>130224940

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>>130224744
>every state
>Massachusetts is one of the few that don't

>>130210103
You must be Canadian on a proxy

>>130225196
>laws don't change over 40 year timespans
nice argument

>>130222969
interesting, i hadn't looked at that aspect yet. thank you for posting it. he contacted her with the express intent to threaten or alarm, forcing her into a situation she was unable or unwanting, and certainly not responsible, to control. good job.

>>130225185
Point me to the statute not a book from 1989

>>130225177
>professionals are not allowed to have a sense of humor

Neck yourself. Attorney's, at least those self aware enough to not take themselves so seriously off the clock, tend to be the most laidback people when not acting in their capacity as an attorney. In part this is a coping mechanism for having to deal with 13 year olds raping 4 year olds and alcoholic parents beating their children on a daily basis.

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>>130224744
Encourage
DO you ever went to the DISCOURAGEMENT SITE?
NO Or i mean Demotivational
Right so thats a bad site huh
WHAT I THOUGHT

SHe wasnt in the arew hwere he was threatening him or (((encouraging))) as you said.

She texted himn get back in. if she was there and was yelling and makign probably threatening motions n shit yea sure he was probably manslaughterd
ON THE PHONE REEEETARD

>>130212359
>What she did is far worse than manslaughter
It was assisted suicide, funny thing is leftists are pro that shit.

>>130225362
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law

I don't know how to be more explicit than this.

>>130225247
My argument is that in Massachusetts its not illegal to encourage suicide

>>130225229
>proxy
>muh flag change

>>130224079
i believe this. who are they? i don't know anything about them, but if you see that judge driving a new car sometime soon, you'll know why.

>>130209256
K I L L Y O U R S E L F

>>130225527
See
>>130224940
See also
>>130225473

>>130217035
as a professional from another field, I just want to let you know that we generally view the legal profession and the justice system as a complete joke.

>>130223219
At worst it was assisted suicide, she has no mind control powers and the faggot that committed suicide had free will. Her lawyers are shit.

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>>130225783
Jesus. Try to even read the shit you link to

>>130225868
Really? Shit man, if I had known that I wouldn't have pursued this career path. I desperately want only to be respected by individuals outside of my realm of interaction and profession.

But seriously, I don't know a single lawyer that gives a fuck what nonlawyers think of the profession. The line of work requires one to accept that the average person is too retarded to understand even the most basic legal principals. Ironically, many of the very same people that criticize lawyers support the end result of their legal endeavors. But hey, I'm sure English property laws, criminal laws, civil laws, and administrative laws have no bearing on western civilization to any substantial extent.

>>130226083
What are you even trying to say, anon? Use your words!

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>kills myself
>you all go to jail

>>130225067
well we've proven that the state in which this is being tried/was tried has no law regarding this. also, ACLU is already revving the engines.

"The American Civil Liberties Union denounced the conviction, saying it "exceeds the limits of our criminal laws and violates free speech protections" guaranteed by the Massachusetts and U.S. constitutions.

Matthew Segal, the ACLU's legal director for Massachusetts, called Roy's suicide tragic but said, "It is not a reason to stretch the boundaries of our criminal laws or abandon the protections of our constitution."

her sentence is illegal. having detained her in the first place is illegal. it in both unlawful incarceration and malicious prosecution. the lawsuit that follows all this shit, when this case gets tossed out and she is freed, will be interesting.

>>130215745
If only you had been there in the courtroom to present this compelling point. Surely she would've walked free.

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>>130225473
Nigger, the sentence you reference uses a citation from a book published in 1989 that doesn't reference any statutes. Wikipedia is not a fucking direct source of information, unless the citations are valid

>>130226261
The ACLU is a shell of an organization that represents little than whatever they feel will garner national attention. It is very unlikely this will succeed on appeal on any argument readily apparent to the public - of appeal succeeds it will stem from a procedural error. Do you realize the difficulty present in overturning a lower courts determinations of questions of law, especially in regards to areas not governed by statute? Judging from your position I would wager you do not, revealing yet another legal concept beyond your understanding yet flimsily strapped to your argument in what amounts to masturbation.

>>130209489
When FP is equal to BP.