What are your opinions? What matters more, race or ideology?

They're both really important, but race > ideology

I think to understand ideology you have realize the distinct and quantifiable differences in race.

>>130208651
certain colors are prone to certain ideologies

>>130208651

they both matter a lot, but race takes priority because ideology forms from genetics. kind of like how your hair genetics dictate your hairstyle.

Unironically going to say its because he is a jew. Tell this piece of shit right now to brown Israel and see his reaction. Also consider he is justifying genocide / ethnic cleansing

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>>130208651
>>130209495

I normally try not to insult conservatives who are popular here because the right shouldn't eat itself like the left currently is, but Ben Shapiro is a globalist kike, plain and simple.

>>130208651
You realize he's not white, right?
Fucking crypto kike

>>130208651
You can change your ideology but you can never change your race

Ideology is still important though

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>>130208651
Race is a crude indicator, ideology is a specific indicator.

>>130208651
Ideology is more important.

national identity is one.

most immigrants do not share national identity

most immigrants are brown

race is indirectly important

>>130208651
>(((Kikepiro))) doesn't mind color
wew lad

>>130209495
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GAS HIM

I'd rather kill all the Muslims than any ethnic group.

>>130208651
Israel for the jews.
America can change.
This is why we hate Ben.

>>130208651
The nerve of this (((guy))).

Of course that fucking kike would say that.

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>>130208651
A jew saying that. Color me surprised

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>>130208651
>the brownening

>>130208651
Ideology matters more, but for 80% of people they are inseparable. Otherwise it wouldn't be racist to hate Muslims.

Jews don't like to acknowledge racial differences in IQ and other attributes... because they know they are real and they know they have the highest IQs... they feel its not good for this to be made common knowledge because they prefer to maintain a low profile.

They are obsessive about poo-poohing any study on race and IQ.

>>130208651

Now go look at how each race votes.

This is what the (((civic nationalist))) will never be able to reconcile.

>>130208651
Novel thought processes, ideology, and ideas, are often culturally derived. Culture, that is to say non-tradition-bound fundamental notions of enterprise, ethics, interpersonal interactions, and propriety have extremely heavy racial correlation.

Basically the browning of america inherently means a fundamental ideology shift. With this, a successful formula for society (the US's own take on an enlightenment era derived one), the most successful societal formula for its participants in human history, is turned into a historically less competitive societal formula.

All due to apathy and breeding.

He is objectively wrong and denies history and human nature to make his point.

I'm sure Ben doesn't give a hoot about the racial make-up of Isreal too...

What's the diff? everybody is the same anyhow?

>>130212892
>Talks shit about civic nationalist
>Probably a mutt promoting whitr nationalism
Burgers are a joke. Take pride in your race, not skin color.

>>130208651
>What matters more, race or ideology?
IQ

>>130208651
ideology is the worst and it makes its adherents stupid idiots that are very predictable.

>>130208651
>color doesn't matter
Yes it fucking does

>>130208651
ideology and truth

it should be noted that any idea of racial superiority is descended from the jewish idea of "chosen people" therefore any supremacist of any kind is a utopian moron and should be ignored

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>>130210300
Shapiro always becomes disloyal when you offend his kike sensibilities. Reminder, there are no "good" kikes. There is only fleeting, aligned mutual interests.

>>130213292
- - so when Ben says this (even though I love his show) he's showing his hipocrisy

he literally told someone today in the Q&A section of his show that since they found out they have jewish genes they are accepted as religious jews

judaism is the original racist manifesto and the whole reason jesus preached anything was to communicate the divine aspect in all human beings

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>>130213196

>your post

>>130208651
Makes no sense because reach race has a certain mindset and agenda they bring with them as a whole though individuals do not necessarily share this view. It's like thinking a Mexican immigrant and their children will share the views and values of a native born American or someone from the UK. The two are mixed via culture. Ben is in the sense that your color doesn't determine what ideology you follow but he's wrong as the race of your family will influence the ideology you're introduce you.

That aside wiping out a race due to breeding is just ethnic cleansing. He'd be outraged if it happened in Israel because he full-well knows each race tends to gravitate towards the ideology of their home country as they usually have contact with family there. Fucking jew doing jewish tactics.

I dont care about your ancestral heritage and legacy white america! Only my own! Checkmate nazi bigots! Pls continue to help fund zionism btw hehehehehrhr

If Jews have the highest IQ out of any group should we make sure that our contentions with their ways isn't out of jealousy?

>>130208651
white genocide is terrible, any genocide is terrible. The free movements of ideas and conflict drive us forward as a species. These ideas are both important but idea's exist to keep ourselves moving forward as a race (and the entire human race for that matter), therefore race is more important

>>130210300
Ben is a conservative that has very liberal views at times. Mention Israel to him and he flounders about and becomes irrational. 100% he would be against Israel becoming brown/black.

>>130213595
>Not being able to comprehend being Irish isn't the same as being greek
>inb4 neither are white
Fucking mutts, you've mixed so much you have no racial identity left but your skin color. You've started civic nationalism and now you'll lie in that bed, faggots.

>>130208651
Ideology, clearly.
The issue is, of course, that most foreign races bring their problems and culture with them, and want to carve a section of the land out to be turned into another version of their home, despite the fact they fled that home in the first place.

Escape oppression, find freedom, demand less freedom and more oppression.

Black people tend to just have major issues with authority, and use the part slavery to justify everything negative they do, despite none of them or their parents ever being slaves.

>>130208651
I don't care if america becomes 100% non white. As long as the people living here still believe in the constitution that's good enough for me. We will all be dead some day but our ideas live on

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>>130213196
what

>>130208651
They both matter, but I would put someone's principles over their race as a person, despite the memes I may spout.

>>130208651
>>130208858
Race is only an issue because certain ideologies enable problems with them
you know "helping minorities" or some shit

>Americas, Australia
Ideology
>Europe, Asia, Africa
Race

>>130208651
Are the two really separate?Race > Culture > Ideology. Grandpa always said, "I'm not racist, I'm culturally aware."

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>>130208651
You can't make America great when America turns brown, every tests that measure intelligence shows that the darker the skin the less intelligent is the person.

>>130208651
I’d rather live in a neighborhood full of brown atheists than one with white muslims.

>>130208651
this cuck thinks non-westerners can maintain western society. LMFFAO

>>130208651
Ideology and culture are a result of race/genetics. You cannot have a highly advanced culture and peaceful properous society with low IQ people. The reason why the enlightenment lead to the mess that we have today is because people didn't know about genetics and intelligence, research on intelligence and IQ is only 100 years old or so. If they actively ignore that research and knowledge then they are evil and will lead us down the same path as the Marxism except theirs will take more time.

>>130208651
ideologies, nations, laws and power come and go they change over time. Our race is eternal, the one thing that truly binds the west is our brother blood.

>>130208651
ideology is barely consistent and race is just one more thing to divide people

>>130208651
He's a neo-con. That's the shit they believe. They think that the western ideals(that came from whites) are important and universal but the people themselevs(whites) don't matter.

>>130208651
Oh jew wiz who woulda thought a jew wouldn't care about us mongrelizing.

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>>130212928
I like to think of culture being the flower and race the root. The root must first be of good quality to create a beautiful flower. If the root dies so must the flower.

>>130208651
>I don't give a good damn about the so-called "browning of America"
>shitskins are shown to overwhelmingly vote democrat
Stupid, short-sighted fucking kike rat.
>What matters more, race or ideology?
Race, every time.
While you can say "hurr, but what if you had to pick between white Muslim extremists and brown Christians? checkmate, faggot!", it's fair to say that's a retarded scenario that will never occur.
Since when have you ever seen a neighborhood full of Muslims that are of white European heritage? Exactly. The closest thing you'll see to that are fat, Atheist white women wearing leopard-print burqas to be "progressive" and "trendy".

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>>130210300
>I normally try not to insult conservatives
conservatives aren't traditionalists by any standards

>>130213813

No actually, I was inferring that you're saying racially Mexicans would be considered 'white' with Amerindian genetics.

Which is reasonable given the locale of America, because the spics are our invaders.

Your autisms showing

>>130215900

This is pretty much it.

Personality is majority genetic. Nature not nurture.

All Ben cares about is Israel. That's fine, of course, if anything it's a good thing. You should put your people above all else. What bothers me is he pretends to be a patriotic American and gets involved in our politics when he should move his ass back to Israel.

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>>130213983
shitty bait, or... maybe /pol/ really has just devolved into a normie platform of boomer basic bitch conservatism

>>130208651

Choose between two countries;

A 99% white communist country

OR

A 99% Sub-Saharan African Free Market economy?

>>130208651
problem is, the other races do give a damn about race

>>130208651
ideology is really important, but mine is only possible with white people.

Ideology is influenced by genetics, so race is more important.

>>130208651

Both at the same time. They're far from mutually exclusive.

>>130208651
ideology

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>>130218951
I choose death

>>130208651
when has one race ever truly adopted the ideology of another? they will always either put their own spin on it or discard it completely.

>>130218951
You know the answer.

A white communist country would be repressive, but at the very least stable. I'd imagine it would be like living in 70s-80s Soviet Union.
A free market african country would devolve into another Haiti or Somalia overnight.

>>130218951
So the USSR or Somalia. How is this even a question?

>>130219127
that dog is hella cute.

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>>130218577
Checked and this.
Classical liberalism and ALL its bastard offspring have to go.

>>130208651
race creates ideology

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>>130218963
If white folks don't pursue their collective interest they would be the only group doing so. I've only ever heard white people say "who cares if our race dies out we're all the same anyway".

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>>130208651
>A jew doesn't care about white genocide

Imagine my shock. When he will not be able to parasitise in Amurica because it has become Guatemala 2.0 he will just move to Israel.

>>130208651
Ideology. An honest, capitalist, good natured minority is worth more than a traitorous, socialist white.

Ideology > Race: don't matter what colour they are if you share your ends. Obsv national socialists here think race, however they misconstrue nationalism

>>130219572
They're already starting to try to parasite off China, it's embarassing.

>>130219501
Honestly I cannot imagine the power, the fucking infrastructure, required to convince and entire race so thoroughly that it's worthless.

>>130208651

I'm curious about his opinion on the "browning of Israel".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvQZxndF3Uw

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>>130219501
>this triggers the gnatzee

>>130219591
But what you have to understand is that honest good-natured minority is an extreme outlier. His children will regress towards the mean. Look at how much of a fuckup Will Smith's son is.

Everyone in here posting to the effect of "but race and ideology are usually linked!" realize that that doesn't actually refute his point, right?

>>130208651
If you ignore the race/demographics issue, then you are literally promoting war and violence. History has proven as much.

>>130212309
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>>130208651
>(((Shapiro)))

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>>130208651
BUT DON'T YOU DARE RBOWN ISRAEL, GOYIM

Reinder for newfags, Shapiro is based on Social commentary but he only cares about ONE thing politically, and that is Israel. This is to the exclusion of whites, the west, the English language, men, women, babies, electricity, everything.

>>130208651
For him it doesn't matter because he already is a minority.

>>130219797
He's suggesting we can teach the Mexicans to be good natured, hard working, peaceful people. It's just delusional. The Mexicans that are coming here are heavily mixed with natives. There's a reason why Cubans are the only hispanics who vote Republican and it's because they're largely white (Spanish descent).

A Jew is a Civic Nationalist and wants whites to die out.

>>130219797
His first fallacy is that race=color. Africans don't even have complex things like "ideology." It's all just a simple tribal mindset which is what Europeans used to have and Jews like Shapiro still have. He's just a typical subversive kike.

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>>130208651
(((civic nationalism))) is a goddamn farce

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>>130208651
#openbordersforisreal

>>130208651
BTW. What would his reaction be if you proposed letting in 20 million Africans (with his exact ideology) into Israel?

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>>130208651
gee, im shocked

>>130219746
I see where you are coming from, but I tend to give the benefit of the doubt.

I have met many minorities in various fields who are more skilled, intelligent and useful to society than I am.

I feel that, in a society without welfare, the shitty ones who are not useful to society will die off anyway.

Race is IDEOLOGY

>>130220298
Jews some some of the most despicable creatures

>>130208651
The us is not a white nation, sorry to brak it for you guys.

Neither.

Your history shouldn't matter in terms of the actions you make because you were the person who made them but without history all actions are meaningless.

>>130220298
>everyone with a common factor has the same opinion
Guess /pol/ thinks SJWs are right then. After all someone who once went to /pol/ believed so.

>>130208651

Content of thought.

People these days wear ideologies like hats, and take them off when it becomes uncomfortable.

>>130208651

Well he's a JEW so I guess Ideology and race do go hand in hand because ONCE AGAIN, a Jew see's no problem with the white population being systematically genocided in every place we reside.
I have no problem with the " Browning of Israel ".
Get to it Jews.

America is not a "white" country, no matter how much you want it to be. However Israel is a Jewish country and its existence is not comparable to the United States' at all. You guys really love your false equivalences.

>>130220304
Well I can agree with you that without any welfare or social services most of them would just die off. I'm just not a libertarian.

>>130220653
>America is not a "white" country
It was once, in the good 'ole days.

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>>130208651

>>130208651
Lol look at all these fucking losers that shouldn't be on this board. If you are such a brainlet to not realize that race and ideology are hand and hand, then don't fucking post.

>>130208651

Someone should ask him if that also includes the browning of jewish americans.

>>130208651
BROWN AMERICA

but not a brown israel or anything lmao why would we do that

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>>130220653
>America is not a "white" country
Except it LITERALLY is you stupid fuck

>This law limited naturalization to immigrants who were free white persons of good character.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790

Holy fuck you shills don't even do your homework

>>130208651
politics is demography

>>130218629
You're missing my point by a mile. I am saying "white" is too broad to be racially specific. It's like if you had a country full of asians from different ethnic groups within Asia but were all about Asian pride, instead of pride in their own race. A Chinese is just as Asian as a Persian, yet they're widely different.

>>130210300
>foreign aid isn't Keynesian

Nigga it's literally a government pumping money into an economy to try to make the damn thing work

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>>130208651
How is a difference in ideology a bad thing? It shouldn't be an issue if someone disagrees with you...

>>130208651
It's glad to see Ben Shapiro signal against his fellow jews in Israel with that mentality, keeping out all those African Jews...

>>130208651
If anyone here listens to Ben Shapiro you are a cuck. It's official.

Civil nationalists cuck

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>>130220997
Step 1. Draw a circle

>>130208651
>race or ideology

They are most often inextricably linked. To-mayto, tomahto.

>>130208651
IMAGINE MY SHOCK

for individuals ideology and for populations race.

>>130208651
Dirty jew

>>130221441
Ah yes, the honorary Aryan policy.

>>130208651
race
>inb4 hurr civic nationalism

when whites go on about how race doesn't matter, it's like shooting yourself in the leg before the race even began, because it matters to everyone else

>>130208651
I knew that kike wasn't to be trusted.

Fucking hate "conservatives" you cucks aren't conserving SHIT.

>>130221009
if someones ideology is "kill all whites" and you happen to be white...

Are you retarded?

>demographics changing to make it harder to elect conservatives
>"Clearly what we need is more brown people"

Sad!

>>130208651
In other parts of the world im willing to be a lot more tolerant to a white communist than to a non white commie, however in argentina its the opposite.

White communists in here hate the middle class and resent the white race, but its a deep resentment i havent seen anywhere else, they hate our christian values and our way or life.

They often cry out "KILL THE FASCIST MIDDLE CLASS", they are clearly refering to white argentines who just want a proper government to take office

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>>130222027
>I can't formulate convincing arguments therefore I am smart
The burger, everyone...

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>>130221002
>Keynesianism: your government gives money to save the economy
>foreign aid: your government gives enough money to save the greatest ally
It's totally different, bro.

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>>130219465
What the fuck is that pic?
>classical liberalism believes that the rights of the individual are most important
>all individuals should have equal legal rights and entitlements
>somehow this also means they support economic equality (this is where the logic gets fucked up, classical liberals do NOT support economic equality)
>therefore classical liberals are communists

Classical liberalism is opposed to big government, excessive taxation, the welfare state, etc. It supports the rights of the individual and capitalism.

>>130222027
this burger is right

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>>130209016
Basically this.

Ben Shapiro is the long death compared the leftist short death.
>>130222697
>minorities still choose the free gibs like they do everywhere around the world
>surprised that the more minorities come in the harder it is for libertarianism and classical liberalism to maintain a hold, observably based on western civilization over the last 4 decades

W T F

>>130220902
You must be confused. This is the year 2017, and we follow the 14th amendment of the US constitution and the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, not the Naturalization Act of 1790.

>>130208651
Race. Liberal cuckaducks are bad but how likely are you to encounter right-wing niggers who can actually do taxes.

Animals are animals, people are people.

>>130208651
Race and ideology are intrinsically linked, no?

Lil' Ben is dead wrong on this one.

>>130222222

>>130223343
The 14th amendment was a mistake

>>130220653
>America is not a "white" country
Yes it is, libcuck. I bet you believe that America is a country of immigrants, too? The United States of America was founded by white Europeans, for white Europeans.
Despite the bleeding heart offspring of said white Europeans bringing in millions of shitskins, whites of European ancestry still remain the majority of this country's populace.
Ancestors on both sides of my family immigrated here in the 1600s. Shlomo Shekelstein and Tanya Sheboon can't say the same.

>>130223132
Except classical liberals are opposed to giving anyone gibs. Let me give you a quote from one classical liberal thinker:

>'A drunkard in the gutter is just where he ought to be, according to the fitness and tendency of things. Nature has set upon him the process of decline and dissolution by which she removes things which have survived their usefulness.'
>t. William Graham Sumner

Does that sound very sympathetic to free gibs to you? You're confusing classical liberalism with modern liberalism

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>>130223958
Right?

>America is over 90% white until post 1965
>Israel is majority Palestinian in the beginning
>Israelis forcibly remove or jail non-Jewish populations
>But if white's do it it's immoral

>>130223687
>Race and ideology are intrinsically linked, no?
Not really. Plenty of different ideologies within the white race for example. Liberalism, conservatism, socialism, nationalism, and sub-strands within those

>>130224047
I know what classical liberalism is. The point is, you have no way to defend it, because minorities will punk you every time. You're too weak to defend your ideology where it counts. You're more afraid of offending brown people than calling them out and defending liberty. Maximum cuckery

>>130223916
That is a nice opinion you have there, but the 14th amendment is the law of the land and makes clear that America is not a "white country" (by your metric for determining whether or not a country is "white")

>>130224667
law is a social construct (unlike race)

Race is everything.
Without Europeans there would be no Europe, technology, English language, United States, internet, democracy.
Your race and environment shape who you are and what you create.

Leftists are do brain-dead they never take ten minutes to think about this.

>>130208651
Race. Ideology is a racial construct.

>>130224314
>The point is, you have no way to defend it, because minorities will punk you every time.
How so? It was only after the advent of modern liberalism in the 20th century that Western culture began to be eroded and white populations declined. Classical liberalism protected the nation's unique identity.

>You're more afraid of offending brown people than calling them out and defending liberty. Maximum cuckery
This is modern liberalism.

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>>130208651
Shapiro is a dirty rat faced kike.

>nation's unique identity
Which came from the people themselves. Which you are not defending.

>"This is modern liberalism."
>insinuating lolbertarians or ancaps will do anything to curb the brown socialist tide

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Ben Shapiro is the most intelligent, ideologically-sound, articulate, logical and effective presence that conservatism has to offer this decade, and it isn't even close. Don't let your far-right horseshoe beliefs blind you to what he has to offer.

>>130222697
For starters, you're looking at it from an exclusively economic sense. Communism has no conception of human bonds, the tiers of human bonding, the motivators of human bonding, or, and critically, that said bonding is the overwhelming motivator for excess unpaid labour. So a commie will expect you to do, out of fondness for the party, all the free labour that we invented the family unit to get you to do. If they understood people as more than just randos floating in the void, unrelated to one another and therefore possessed universally of whatever traits they may occasionally manifest, then they might have known that, but the roots of classical liberalism poisoned that concept.

As for modern leftism and gibsmedats, that's more of a root product of classical lib, although leftism is absolutely rooted in toxic individualism. Gibs are simply what happens when individualism produces people who were not instilled with the discipline and community-reliance to support themselves - they amass and force the remaining productive people to gib gibs. Think about social movements like Feminism, how people nowadays are like "well they were good in the past when it was about personal liberty but now it's just about gibs and stupid shit" for literally all of them. They all went like that because that is what classical liberalism makes of people.

>>130208651
The correct answer is: I can think for myself, but Mr. Rothschild is behind the decision making. If 1,000,000 niggers appear at Polish border, it's not like I will be able to do anything about it and it's not like anyone is going to ask for my opinion on the subject

>((((Shapiro))))))

Go fuck yourself kike

"I don't give a damn about the browing of Israel, ideology is all that matters"
:^)

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Race > Ideology

Race is culture, the death of a race is the death of its culture. Multiple races can not peacefully coexist under a state but multiple ideologies can. Race cannot be changed but ideology can. An ugly mud man will always look like fresh shit, but even a communist can be given the pill.

>>130208651
The American religion is in denial of the powerful role of ethnicity. Even Irish and Italians have irrevocably wrecked the original societal order

>>130208651
>import mudslimes
>dominant ideology of America changes

>>130213206
High iq brownman?

Race and ideology are becoming more and more interdependent as the United States moves toward a nation based around identity politics. It's inevitable due to the heterogeneous nature of our ethnicities. While ideology is clearly the more important thing to focus on, they simply cannot be separated in the minds of the masses, so it is something that must be factored into how we deal with issues.

>>130228745
Hoax. Debunked

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Racial_Program_for_the_Twentieth_Century

You have been rebuked.

>>130230040
wtf I love Jews now

>>130208651
Fuck this kike. I hope I see Israel nuked or blacked in my lifetime

How would he feel about Israel no longer being a Jewish nation and just conservative Arabs?

Well, the problem is that brown people and Western values rarely mix.

>>130230040

>Debunked, because a wiki says it's been
>Has actually happened, specific to the circumstances he claims them to

I guess you're a believer that feminism is for equality because they say it is too.

>>130228745

So that means you wouldnt mind a socialist dictatorship as long as everyone is white skinned. How retarded are you? How do you even define the 'white race'? Would Italians, Hispanics or Russians be allowed into your paradise? Ethnicty is culture and (((they))) have almost succeeded in destroying ours.

>>130208651
The ideology that race matters

>>130232261
>Just because race is more important than ideology that means I put zero importance into ideology.

Also I'm a jew loving fag now because I have been officially rebuked so I would love to live in a socialist hellhole.

>>130208651
Society is a racial construct.

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>>130229156
For what it's worth I'm sorry