SPACE HATE THREAD

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>>130176618

You can have both

>>130176618
Fuck off, Mohammed. Just because you won't know which direction to pray in space doesn't mean the rest of us can't go.

>>130176618
Staying on earth forever is putting all the eggs in one basket. Just wait for gamma blast. Besides. Expansion is one of primal life's imperatives.

Space is the logical extension of the white conqueror/explorer instinct that made us great, and the fact that we could be wiped out by an asteroid is concerning. It is a survival strategy to seek another home, although space science clearly does have a beta leftist problem.
There are actually hundreds (I think) of planets with the conditions to be earth-like that scientists have found. The problem is the immense distance and the uncertainty.

>>130176618
>imblying space isn't where a glorious whitetopia will be created.

>>130177353
Too bad that you aren't allowed to create countries in space, they would literally fall under the one world government for space

>>130177326
In this case the basket is part of the egg. You can't even talk about primal life without talking about earth.

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>>130178835
There's no whitetopia without nature. The place of the superior man is in nature. The day we live in an artificial environment created by some faggot nu-male art major that splits his time between making doodles and talking about how sick the latest GoT episode was is the day life loses it's meaning. It's Earth or nothing, Earth is ours and we are Earth's.

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>>130177353
>There are actually hundreds (I think) of planets with the conditions to be earth-like that scientists have found.

Dork science isn't real science. There isn't proof of a single planet that comes close to Earth.

+Pic of disgusting architecture

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>>130176618
>We are earthlings and we belong on Earth. If you would rather live on mars you aren't human. Mars humans would devolve into lower hellish organisms because of the total shit conditions
>He doesn't want to own both planets
>He doesn't want to revive the spirit of expansionism, exploration, endavour, adventure that characterized the colonial period
>He doesn't want to participate in the Scramble for Mars
>He doesn't want to travel on a passenger spaceship within the Anglo Empire Part II
All of your arguments could have applied to Europe before it started building empires. My ancestors were empire-builders, and they were fucking badass. So fuck you.
>pic related

>>130176618
This is a good thread.

Space is a distraction.

WWIII any day now but MUH MARS MUH MOON.

Give this spirit to your descendants you were born too soon, get over it.

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>>130176618
Loading my space ship now and evacuating this planet desu. I'll take space over an earth covered with nigger filth.

Yea space is a meme. A complete waste of money and idiots who are obsessed with it have been brainwashed by fiction. We already have space here on earth - the undiscovered ocean depths which contains a shit load of undiscovered species

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>>130176618
SHUT THE FUCK UP FAGGOT I WANT SPACE TRAVEL

>>130181242
You lack precision of thought. I'm not saying that it's immoral to go to space, it's a stupid waste and fucking gay. Space has no value for Earth.

>My ancestors were empire-builders, and they were fucking badass.

You are a delusional beta faggot, fantasy means nothing. Oh my godd so badass!! Just be a man ffs.

>>130176618
Youre right sven
Scifi is toxic

>>130181242
Colonialism of the earth and space travel are not compareable
We will never conquer the stars

>>130177326
whats the use of putting eggs in another basket if moving the eggs there causes them to break? the egg cant even survive in the other basket. your argument is shit.

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>>130181946
Hoc situr ad astra.

It would be less expensive just to genocide the blacks and Jews.

>>130176618
Mohammed can't comprehend the majesty that is space.

>>130182225
Gene editing, robot laborers, o'neil cylinders to provide gravity away from planets.

>>130182275
>Le EPIN Space NAZis XDDD
>Liek in the coool Iron sky movie loXD

>>130182225
Build a basket the eggs don't break in, dumbass.

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>>130176618
Why would you want to get away from us?

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>>130182568
Nice bait.

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>>130182420
>so majestic tho

You are so fucking euphoric.

>>130182690
You can go bugman, Earth is my home.

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>>130179033

(((aren't allowed)))

Might makes right friendo

>>130176618
Just nuke Venus' upper atmosphere until you've blown enough away to start venting the trapped heat. Terraform the closer planet, Mars is too dead to do much with long-term unless we want to artificially support an atmosphere.

>>130182806
Aren't you the flat earth guy.

>>130182925
The only reason you may want mars is due to the atmosphere, and mars hardly has a atmosphere to begin with. Then again, it's better protection from space trash and meteors than no atmosphere.

>>130176618
FUCK SPACE

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>>130182933
do you know what above our heads?

>>130182695
No I'm a mother fucking pirate.

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http://emdrive.com/firstgenapplications.html

Are you guys telling me you don't want to create the Imperium of Man?

>>130183175
I'd prefer something more asimov.

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SOME MEN JUST

>>130183022
You could either reduce the atmosphere of Venus to habitable levels, or create and sustain one for Mars. I only think Venus is better because it's not geologically dead and is closer to our size so gravity wouldn't be a longterm problem. The lead-boiling temp is a problem.

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>>130183575
In the upper atmosphere its a lot cooler. You'd only have to worry about the acid clouds and toxic gas which can be solved with hazmat suits.

>>130183575
Wouldn't it just be easier to mine the asteroid belt for water and metals and build artificial environs for habitation?

>>130183175
This right there is the problem
Getting influenced by a fantasy created by some anglo geeks who know shit about the future
Scifi is by nothing based on reality and science, but gives you the impression that everythings gonna be fine
>just chill m8, in 100 years we will trvel trough space and shit
>muh space crusade

Meanwhile, the west is overrun by sandpeople and were heading towards another dark age

>>130182933
Yeah, he has a huge file of webums that he likes to dump in these threads. They're kinda interesting and nothing more than that.

Space exploration is a croc, parallel earth conquest is where it's at.

>>130183846
>40K
>a fine future
Pick one

The new world meme is a toxic fantasy that lets people play fast and lose with our own vast and beautiful Europe because we can dream about going to the americas.

>The new world is not romantic, it's a hellhole of new diseases, starvation, and indians
>The only lands we know about besides Europe are literally different kinds of hell. There's no reason to want to go there.
>We are europeans and we belong in Europe. If you would rather live in America you aren't british. American's would devolve into lower hellish organisms because of the total shit conditions.

Puritans can go to hell. Fucking heretics want to live their lives like explorers.

>>130182637
We're nowhere close to being able to do that so just enjoy your life and let our great great grandkids deal with the earth dying

>>130184441
There's a lot more technological hurdles in conquering space as opposed to sailing across an ocean for a few months, but I think OP is just being the usual sperg and projecting.

>>130181912
this

>>130181913
>You lack provisional thought
>It's a waste and fucking gay

No wonder your lands were taken over by refugees. Weak.

>>130184441
Ironically you did have people actually saying this. It was argued that Europeans were unsuited to foreign climes and that since dealing with foreigners led to disease and the temptations of miscegenation that empire was just a bad idea even if it did create wealth.

You even have the same thing going on now. Some stormcucks purity spiral so extremely that any white man outside of Europe is a race-traitor or cuck by definition even if he doesn't race mix or even lives in an all-white community.

>>130181913
You're Swedish.

>>130179033
Law in space is what the US and Russia say it is. The UN has no anti-orbital weapons, or indeed any means of reaching orbit at all.

>>130176618
>t Ahmed that wants more money for gibs

>>130183846
First off sci fi can be true read Jules Verne and other literature from the 1800's they had submarines one hundred years before they were invented. So we might be able to go to space one day. Also 40k is bad it had at least two separate catastrophes happen to humans.

>>130184690
When they sailed to the new world, a ship was the height of their technology, and it took months to cross.
Now, spaceships are the height of our technology and it would take months to get to Mars.

>>130184441
> American's would devolve into lower hellish organisms because of the total shit conditions.

Holy shit it's true.

>>130182925
All we need to do is get Mars' core rotating again to create an EM field around it. Then we can melt the ice caps while having factories pump carbon dioxide in the atmosphere

>>130177353
I disagree. Nature is what gives us humanity. Until we discover nature in space there's no reason to go there again. We already conquered everything we could, the bleakness of space and inhospitability of the planets is God's way of telling us to turn our focus back on our home.

>>130176618
> space hate
> Earth is beautiful
> especially when viewed from SPACE

>>130176618
go fuck a tree

>>130185416
I agree with you, but they didn't have to worry about your body turning into a human-sized tumor with not bone/muscle structure by the time they got to the land they at least knew they could somewhat survive on without significant aide.
I'm not sure a colony, even a one-way trip colony, would survive long without being constantly blasted by radiation from the lack of a substantial atmosphere and dealing with all the fun side-effects of that.

>>130176980
heh

>>130176618
Damn, I thought flat earth was going to be my edgy way of fucking with people IRL. This is how I'm going to approach things now. Fuck space.

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>>130183846
>40k
>everythings gonna be fine
Holy shit you double nigger have you ever read any of the 40k novels?

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>>130176618

Earth was a Joint Colonization.(Whites= Europe, Blacks = Africa, Asians = Asia)

Archives: http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/subject/knowledge%20bomb/username/anonymous5/tripcode/%21%219O2tecpDHQ6/

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but what about meteor defense?

>>130181912
Basically this.

>>130181203
Fermi paradox - possibly. I've heard that Earth really is special because odd we had to overcome to exist (we, humans) are pretty fucking tough.

Besides - IMO entirety of space colonisation depends on whether we will be able to achieve inertialess or other FTL drives or not. Space is fucking vast and without any cheats we're confined to solar system.

>>130176618
>t. Ahmed Muhammad Abdul al-Sahin

If we want create some kind of extraterestial colonies, do we need planets at all? Woudlnt it be better to just drill some asteroid empty and spin it to provide artificl gravitation?

Look at mars:

- Doesnt have magnetic field, you have hide underground
- Atmosphere is parody of earth atmosphere but it still managers to fuck up machinery. Sand gets inside everything
- Weak gravity woudl probably fuck our bodies up. It woudl also be deadly to fetuses. There is no known method of providing artifical gravity when you are already on surface of planet
- Gravity means you still have to waste fuel to get off planet. You also need heatshields.

Emptied asteroid:

- Rocks provide protection against radiation
- No atmosphee that fucks shit up. No need to waste fuel to get of asteroid. No need for heatshields
- You can have as much gravity as you need

Only plus with mars is that you can use its atmosphere and water to syntesize fuel (look up mars direct plan for mars mission) or produce air. But from the other hand asteroids have various minerals deposits too.

>>130176978

/thread

Ave Maria

>>130176618

Going to space at the expense of everything else is retarded, we're going to need a strong Earth to sustain space infrastructure

On the other hand, we can't keep delaying this forever

>>130188710
I think it'd be interesting to have Mars, Phobos and Deimos colonized for the reasons you stated, only issue would be getting them to spin, as well as excavating them.
Using an asteroid otherwise would be a lot more effort than just hiding underground on Mars. First you have to find one, move it into a not-shit location, and then make sure nothing else smashes into it for the duration of its existence.

>>130176618

>fast and loose

Just like your mom.

>>130189871
Couldn't you make gravity on the moon or Mars by building your cities underneath a metal base that has spinning components underneath it? That way inside the cities where there is a connection to the metal plate that allows earth level gravity, but if you leave the city you would be in lower gravity.

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>>130188710
There is one problem as far as I know, rotational pseudo-gravity may not be an option for large amount of people if the cylinder gets massive - we might not have materials durable enough not to fall apart at higher speed. Additionally, Earth isn't actually lacking space for people, it's just that we're wasteful and harmful to nature. "Outsourcing" much of industry to space would switch Earth's purpose to provide housin and food for people. Arguably services too, but they'd be mostly local.
>>130189871
You're sure you can hollow a planet out?

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>>130181203
>>130176618
>>130180335
>>130182816
>>130182695

You're almost there Sven. It is clearly time you take the flat, geocentric pill and be rid of the Jewish spherical lie once and for all.

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have a healthy bump

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Space is the future.

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>>130176618
Fuck off Earthcucks. Mankind is meant to conquer the stars. It's the ultimate challenge. We have to go forward. It's our destiny.

>>130190756
I have no idea if that would work, I think it'd be interesting to see that done on a small scale.

>>130190842
No, I'm not, but no one really said anything about hollowing out the entire body. That'd be dumb for multiple reasons, one being integrity, but I was thinking more along the lines of excavating compartments.

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>>130191418

>he has nothing but computer generated graphics made by a fatass fedora-wearer to back up his cucked space fantasies

>he doesn't know that 100% of space travel is a hoax and no one has ever been there

>he doesn't know the earth is the flat stationary center of the universe, and the the sun, moon, and stars are all much closer and smaller than (((science))) has claimed

wew lad

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>literally no one ITT has seen the curve
>that's cuz the curve doesn't exist
>Muh sixmillion! It was real in my mind!
>all these space cuckfantasies rely on the existence of the spinning ball, which remains completely impossible to prove, outside from disney nasa cartoons

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>>130189078

>"we can't keep delaying this forever"

He gets his sense of reality and the future direction of mankind from Jewish movies

>B-b-but my white astronaut moon heroes!

Pic related, they are cucks

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>>130191771
But what about Carl Sagan? He wouldn't lie to us.

>>130191624
I'm pretty sure we won't be able to counteract a planet's gravity any time soon. We won't alter gravity on a planet in any meaningful way, we have to do with what we have. More reasonable is rotational fake gravity, but it only works in micro-gravity space.

>>130192246
So what happens when a dinosaur killer asteroid hits earth genius?

>>130192588
Why wouldn't rotational gravity work on a planet to increase the gravity?

>>130176618
this; how has no one said this before; space has replaced (((heaven))) as a container of our totally delusional belief in eternal peace, progress, salvation, et al.

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>>130183846
>Scifi is by nothing based on reality and science
All the best hard sci-fi authors were scientists at the same time. Clarke, Asimov etc...

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>>130192746

>>130176618
I wonder why more people aren't excited about the ocean. There's a lot of ocean out there to explore, and there's actually resources in it.

>>130192890
Could you explain how? I mean, if it was vertical, we'd part of the time experiencing no gravity, part of the time - double. If it was horizontal rotation, we'd have... Weird, diamond-shaped surfaces. I don't think it would be any kind of practical.
If we could magically manipulate gravity, we'd be better off simply creating artificial gravity in space (not to mention that such abilities would probably lead to FTL and they also are pretty impossible, according to our current knowledge).

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>>130181203
>+Pic of disgusting architecture
ugh i fucking hate this shit

why are futurists all about disgusting curves and streets that dont go anywhere? it creates so much dead space, and just doesnt look good at all

>>130193115
Because most ocean exploration is privately funded already, and most people see space as the next frontier in case Earth goes to hell in millions of years. Also, fucking around in the ocean can be fucky.
We don't have political activists protesting and shit because we pollute space with garbage that'll kill the spess whales.

>>130176618
You are a bit too early Sven, Martian colonists's war for independence from Earth is not happening anytime soon

>>130193647
why would a sheep have sheep themed wallpaper

thatd be like if i, a man, had a wallpaper printed with men

>>130193785
i dunno, man, people are most excited about the doings of private companies like virgin and spacex rather than state space agencies, and greenpeace's sea fuckery has lost a lot of relevancy over the years

it just seems like it'd be cooler to expand empires into the ocean. we already drill for oil and lay fibre optic cables but why not look for other junk, too? isn't the deep sea largely unsurveyed? maybe theres exotic gases or w/e to be found from undersea vents or whatever

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>>130191771
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>>130192246
>>130193081
>>130193647
>>130193715

My noggin has been stimulated

>>130193649
Take a basic course in architecture lol. The way to build tall cheaply is buildings with some kind of slope. The height makes up for the dead space

>>130183099
If the ISS is fake then what can I see during the "schduled passes" at night?

Is it just a projection you retard?

>>130176618
Fuck off nigger lover.

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>>130176618

The earth is already dying and inevitably going to get BTFO'd by an asteroid.

It will never be as beautiful as it once was, and we shouldn't keep all our eggs in one basket.

>>130194251
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_horizon

looks like you are wrong.

>>130194370
>The way to build tall cheaply is buildings with some kind of slope.
a slope, not a curve. concave curves are structurally weak and create a lot of dead space within rooms where furniture cannot be laid effectively. slopes are fine, and are in fact quite good for getting sun to the streets below (some cities actually have ordinances that limit the footprint of buildings relative to their height for this reason) but whats best is a series of vertical walls that step inward as the building climbs in height, since it maximizes available usable space while still forming what is essentially a nice stronk pyramid

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>>130191388
>lexx is garbage
>firefly that good

Can one of you flat earth fags explain why the northern hemisphere has a different night sky then the Southern Hemisphere.

Using your model of earth this would be impossible

>>130191388
>Voyager higher than Enterprise
You deserve to get glassed.

>>130194301
That's because companies like that have very good PR internal/external agencies. You don't really hear too much about the sea exploration that's going on by private companies down in Antarctica (although some are serving joint-contracts with various states).
I personally would also like to know about hidden resources/organisms in the ocean, but there's just not a big public gathering for it, it's more along the lines of "Oh cool they found another transparent glowing balloon in some dark water somewhere, whatever".
As far as resources go, it would be more of a public outcry about what the effect on the environment would be due to harvesting them. And, of course, companies are looking for other resources down there, but why share what you find? Don't you want to keep your shiny little hoard of gems a secret from competitors?

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>>130194303

This is very easy to debunk. These triangles work on paper but do NOT work in real life due to perpsective and the vanishing point.

Go to the ocean and find some clouds that appear to be close to the horizon. Are they actually almost touching the ocean water? No, of course not, they just appear that way due to pespective and the vanishing point.

You can't use angles to determine the actual elevation of very distant objects!

The sun and other celestial objects dont' actually sink and lower their angle! They only appear to due so due to celestial perspective! Debunked!

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>>130176618
The New world meme is a toxic fantasy that lets people play fast and lose with our own vast and beautiful Europe because we can dream about going to America.
>The new world is not romantic, it's a hellhole of muscle decay, bowel problems and incontinence.
>The only places we know about besides Europe are literally different kinds of hell. There's no reason to want to go there.
>We are Europeans and we belong in Europe. If you would rather live in America you aren't white. American Europeans would devolve into lower hellish organisms because of the total shit conditions.
America dorks can go to hell. Fucking betas want their lives to be like science fiction.

Make sure you're pro stagnation of your civilization, goy

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>>130194853
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>>130194637
How come? I don't see volcanoes erupting left and right, tectonic plates becoming tectonic stained glass, oceans evaporating...
Oh, you're talking about life? Humans may perish, but life itself will find a way, as it always has. Heck, maybe we'll be able to persevere too, if we don't shit ourselves.
>>130195223
I think that the biggest problems with Oceans is water, which only gets deadlier the deeper you go. But it's still more reachable than space, as of now...

>>130193115
I assume, primarily, because that's where sharks live

>>130195759
>Humans may perish, but life itself will find a way, as it always has.
i forget who said it but there's a great environmentalist saying that goes along the lines of

>We won't ruin the earth. Whatever happens, the earth will survive just fine. The problem is that humans won't.

is there any group more insane than flat earth theorists?

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>>130196105
>The problem is that humans won't.
Exactly. The problem is, though, that people most likely don't think anymore that our existence is enough of a reason to pay attention not to fuck us up.
>>130196247
SJWs? They believe in insane theories about people

>>130196515
Psh, Discworld is real, obviously.

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>>130195223
youre right on the resources, but we don't see that sort of thing in space exploration either. but i am still surprised that just like we have rockets and spaceplanes that people gush over, we don't have scientific boats and subs for people to gawk at. the physical processes of the ocean themselves are pretty interesting, too. also im salty that space nerds exist at all since space nerds are usually fucking insufferable retards

>>130196247
Race realist are surely crazy

>>130195123
ENT is boring, VOY is at least weird.

>>130195282
Explain time zones.

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Is anti-space signaling a subsconscious expression of the NEET's inability to move out of his parents' basement?

>>130176618
You are a Muslim right?

>>130196247
Islam

>>130196751
Are you fucking retarded or something? There's literally thousands of maritime museums around the world where you can check out cool boats and subs.

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>>130176618
Evolution or Creation, humans are meant to live in exactly the conditions of earth. Going to Mars, people will adapt in a way that they become a different species for THAT PLANET. I firmly believe that humans should stay on earth until we can mimic the EXACT conditions of the earth in a ship or output/station. Otherwise we will loose bone mass and have many health issue.

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>>130176618
OP is an selfish ayy lmao, who is propagandizing humans to never leave this prison called earth, so they can have all the Good shit för themselfs confirmed.

>>130197158
i mean boats and subs explicitly meant for subsurface research and are doing so actively, not bullshit museum ships or tours of warships

>>130196751
I mean, we do have scientific boats and subs, they're all just ugly as hell to look at. Most are retrofitted fishing vessels, the news ones are really nice, but rarely used, and the subs are just fat robots with propellers on them. See: Boaty McBoatface. Resources in space haven't been exploited yet because there's no profitable way to retrieve them, yet.
There's just no appeal, whereas spess you can be a spess man and do cool spess things and shit, some anons in this thread made it a point about the whole stigma coming from media and sci-fi. Spergs who think it's going to be anything like that are already disconnected from reality, so who cares?

>>130190756
moon gravity woudl fuck it up.

>>130185728
Nature made us great with its harshness. Only way for humanity to find the path of greatness once more is for it to be plunged yet again into hardship. This can only be done through the collapse of what we already have (undesirable), or through transporting those who are willing and able to a new environment where they will once again have to adapt to survive, where selective pressure can once again create greatness. Stagnation will be our ruin.

>>130197383
They've got that shit too. Here: http://www.maritimeheritage.org/maritime-museums.html

Next time, don't be such a worthless and retarded leaf.

>>130194815
I don't pretend to be an expert, but if you look at the tallest conceptualised buildings like X-Seed 4000 and the Ultima Tower, the slopes are in forms of very clear curves

>>130197805
>http://www.maritimeheritage.org/maritime-museums.html
i said NOT that you dumbfuck probable yankee

>>130197605
if you want harshness why dont you go and live on polar pole? COnditions are slightly better then mars but still while mars is outside our reach for a while..

>>130195282
Still waiting on your explanation for why the ENTIRE PLANET operates on a time zone system, Mr Flat Earth.

I mean, there's gotta be a good reason why we've been 'conditioned' to see time zones work the way they do, right?

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>>130176618
>Feddy Dog detected
Eat shit you filthy Earth Noid,
SEIG ZEON
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L03K2njcCrM

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>>130193649
i know that feel

>>130191388
Move futurama to low tier.
That show has been shit and always will be shit

>>130197930
So you're too fucking stupid to find a museum focused on research vessels for yourself.

How typical of the worthless and retarded leaf.

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>>130176618
I agree somewhat.

The space pipe dream is tiresome, but nothing is stopping us from reaching for the stars in God's universe.

As long as we maintain proper order on earth and endure to keep God with us we should be alright in space.

>>130198162
>those who are willing and able

Not me. I am perfectly fine with humanity going extinct, I dont care much. Also people already live on the poles, in small quantities. We have technically conquered them already. The earth is almost entirely within human grasp. Space is the next logical step, for those who are WILLING AND ABLE. I personally dont care too much. Space travel is never going to occur during my lifetime anyways, so there is no point in me thinking about it.

>>130198377
This desu,
Fix Earth, then colonize space

>>130179033
Helgahn belongs to the Helghast

>>130176618

>"Mars"

>>130198377
The Judeo-Christian God is a fairy tale meant to extort dirt farmers of their meager gold earnings.

The True God is unknowable, and doesn't give a fuck what we do.

Space is the place, weakling.

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Just imagine all the wonders out there waiting to be discovered.

I'd love to be alive to see it.

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This is the ideal skyscraper form. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.

>>130197913
>X-Seed 4000
looks like shit, tons of dead space under it

>Ultima Tower
also retarded looking futurist bullshit out of san franscisco, lots of dead space near the slopes towards the base

also both were never built and are just liberal architect wet dream bullshit

>>130198221
this has a lot of the same problems of "paths that go nowhere and buildings that waste space" but at least its prettier and more functional-looking and structurally sensible than 90s meme curves and random toroids everywhere

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>he intends to stay on BLACKED: planet edition
lmfao have fun with that

There's a reason the Elon the Mars man is South African, he's seen the future in person

>>130198824
>tfw you won't be

>>130198768
Huh?

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>>130181793
nigga fuck the water. You dont know whats down there

>>130176618
i like spess

>>130176618
The answer to the Fermi Paradox is that all other lifeforms in the universe discover time travel and colonize infinite alternate realities of their own past using time travel machines.

They all realize their own planet is their own little slice of heaven and look no further.

>>130199070
So you're worthless, retarded, AND tasteless.

Is there a single example of respectable humanity ANYWHERE in the frozen hellhole you call a nation?

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space doesnt exist

Genesis 1:14-15
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

A Star Close Up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5xFd1gvkdk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbLu9fcQI4w

>>130176618
>Doesn't understand how going to space helps improve our lives on Earth
>Doesn't want to go to space so nobody else should either

>>130196247
I have a hard time believing they actually exist and it's not just an elaborate ironic troll like Pastafarianism

Better spend money on pensions to ISIS veterans, right, Sven?

>>130199687
The problem with the Fermi Paradox is it assumed a lot of things about space based on very outdated models and measurements.

We could very well be observing them all over the place and the governments of the world cover it up because they're terrified by what they hear/observe.

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>>130176618
More money for abdul right? GAS THE SWEDES GAS THE LUDDITES EUROPA LANDER NOW

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLvsHzcAdFI&list=PLF8IQArVEPpHnJiL0sWR4OLWXwWxS0am_&index=8

>>130199889
i met one once irl and for whatever reason a lot of /vg/ seems to believe in it

>>130199710
Stars twinkle due to atmospheric disturbance. Look at the air shimmer over hot ground in the summer. Same thing.

>>130196247
People who deny things that are right under their nose

Race differances, sex differances ect

>>130199818
Postmodernist detected.

Space is the ultimate blue pill.

Space Solar is a waste of energy.
Space elevators cannot be made
Asteroid mining can never be profitable
The costs for launching a pound into orbit are not going to come down enough to make any activity in space economically viable.
Elon Musk only has a bachelors in engineering, just like Bill Nye.

>>130194637
The Earth is only "dying" due to people shitting it up out of mental retardation. If you go into space, you will have an environment five hundred million times as susceptible to be shitting up by random niggers.

If you can't solve the "shitting up your environment" arbitrarily on your Earthling population, you will never survive in space.

>>130200289
no muslims allowed, you can stay on this turd of a planet.
>Space elevators cannot be made
not for long

>>130196247
People who still persist in their belief in FTL travel or communications.

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>>130200289
>Space Solar is a waste of energy.
b-but muh microwave plants

>Elon Musk only has a bachelors in engineering, just like Bill Nye.
yeah i dont understand why everyone praises him like hes a super genius, do people actually think he personally designs all this shit?

>>130200460
Carbon nanotubes have to be single molecules to have the strength needed for the cable.

They have to reach higher than 35,000km.

There's no way to string that up or to lower it down.

Sorry bro.

>>130200568
He funds it, money is the biggest obstacle in space exploration.

>>130200462
theyre not insane, theyre just really really stupid.

>>130200289
You're operating a piece of technology right now, that owes it's very existence to space travel.

So if you really feel space is a meme, then never again use a device that operates with an integrated circuit.

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>>130200568
>yeah i dont understand why everyone praises him like hes a super genius
Founding the company that's preparing to launch the largest rocket the world has seen since the moon was abandoned is kind of a big deal

>>130200697
leave my country.

>>130176618
But i want to fuck alien pucci :(

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>>130200204
does "atmospheric disturbance" create perfect rings in the sky?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR8j3E5gblQ

>>130200460
even nanomemes can only barely do it

interestingly, it's viable with just kevlar rope on mars, but mars is a shithole so why would you build a space elevator on it

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>>130200568
>b-but muh microwave plants
Nope. You lose too much of the energy to the air. A similarly-priced ground installation will always make more electricity.

>>130199224
>Huh?

nothing

>>130200818
>mars is a shithole so why would you build a space elevator on it
a fueling station I would imagine, same goes for the moon

>>130200747
>Founding the company
but he's not like bill gates who did write some software at some point, elon musk just gives the money out

it's like praising the manager of a restaurant for the good food. like nigga he didnt do shit, go thank the cooks

>>130200792
Being out of focus does that.

>>130200818
If there's ever even the smallest of settlements on Mars a long kevlar rope would beat a series of rockets in cost effectiveness for return trips very quickly.

Space is pretty cool until you read too much about it and what's required technologically and realize its a meme dream and we will be unable to do anything useful with it for the next 100+ years, maybe never.

>>130200983
if it wasn't for the manager, you'd have niggers jacking off in your food.

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>>130199070
we can at least add a lil art to it

>>130200983
b-bu-but MUH HYPERLOOP!! HE INVENTED IT!

>>130199934
/Thread

>>130200636
>no way to string together nanotubes

http://news.rice.edu/2016/04/14/nanotubes-assemble-rice-introduces-teslaphoresis-2/

Ignorant fools like you do even more to hold back the future than religious zealots.

>>130200741
>You're operating a piece of technology right now, that owes it's very existence to space travel.
Nothing about the integrated circuit needed space. It was being developed long before the space program.

If anything, the integrated circuit and the fiber optic cable is what destroyed manned spaceflight. With those two techs you don't need people to man satellites.

>>130200462
But without FTL we have no chance to ever leave the Solar System.

>>130200792
No but a camera artifact will.

You fucking moron.

>>130201125
Yes that's great for manufacturing a single molecule longer than the diameter of the earth, but how will you lift it straight up into geostationary orbit? Magic?

>>130201187 >>130200462
Well, hundreds of years ago people thought of many things that are mundane now as impossible. FTL is stretching know laws of physics, but unless we try, we'll never know.

>>130201187
multi generational spaceships

>>130201187
Yep. It sucks, i know. But that's just how it is. The solar system is plenty large. But again, it's too costly to make any money out there.

>>130201187
not really no. we just need to hit a good faction of the speed of light and we can visit our neighboring systems without too much issue

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>>130176618
yeah fuck space yo

>>130201125
You're not going to get a 35,000km long molecularly perfect chain no matter what you do. And even if such an incredible chunk of unobtanium existed, it would still BARELY meet the requirements to break Earth's bitching gravity well, which means what happens the instant it's disturbed by weather, temperature fluctuations or the pressure of cargo moving up and down it?

>>130201187
Fusion pulse engines can carry city-sized craft up to 10% of lightspeed, meaning they can hop from star to star, generation to generation, colonizing rocky Mars-like planets wherever they end up. Look at it this way: Nothing ever moved FTL in the first place. The universe is so vast because a lot of objects have been flying away from each other for a long time, a lot slower than the speed of light.

>>130201393
That's not how science works bucko. FTL doesn't "stretch" physics. FTL breaks physics because if it existed then causality would cease to be a constant, and we'd have long ago noticed the ramifications of that.

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>>130201308
>>130201031
sorry retards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afjcaJpMWyc

>>130201140
If you think we invented the integrated circuit, fiber optics, and multi-state processors, then I have some bad news for you.....

>>130201447
Except for arriving in a completely different time. The closer you travel to the speed of light the more fucked up time becomes. By the time you reach anywhere the Earth would be Mercury 2.0.

>>130176618
Bro we can build massive super structures in space

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>>130201554
Von neumann fusion torches? I set my limits on nuclear saltwater rockets. Good enough for government work.

>>130184539
We actually have the tech to colonize mars RIGHT NOW, and could start building a self-sufficient colony there within 2 years.

The colony would rely on shipments of water and some raw materials for 5 years, but after that, it would be self-sufficient, if harsh.

Mars is not a terrible hellhole.
The only barriers to colonization are the lack of atmosphere and radiation. The solutions to these are to build habitats. But habitats cost money.

Luckily, Mars is dotted with inert magma tubes that can be converted into habitats for very little investment.

If there ever turns out to be aliens they better know that the galaxy was created for man by god and if they don't convert they should be removed.

>>130201663
lol, go back to /x/. There's a well-documented history of how it was all invented.

>>130201554
>You're not going to get a tube to produce 10,000 lbs of thrust no matter what you do. Even if it did hold that power it would still BARELY meet the requirements to break the sound barrier.

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>>130201837
>colonize mars

good luck

>>130201734
and? Also thats implying the humans earth side will need earth by the time we get there

>>130201837
>musk colonizes mars
>the costs overrun by billions
>spacex goes bankrupt
>the government has to step in to save the people stuck on mars.

Wow everyone of you retards actually think there is a vacuum called "space". You're worse than liberals

>>130201878
Yes, all that well documented tech that wasn't even a mathematical idea until 1949.

Then suddenly a few scientists in NATO controlled countries have fleshed out all areas of the tech with just a few months "hard work."

Especially when the dominant ideology for computing was to go bigger instead of smaller at the time.

>>130201914
curiosity rover says otherwise :^)

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>>130202320

>>130202302
You can pretend that all the documentation is faked, but that doesn't make it true.

>>130201898
A space elevator requires a tensile strength of 50 gigapascals.

A PERFECT *perfect* 100% aligned at every single atom carbon nanotube would have a tensile strength of 100 gigapascals.

Every carbon nanotube actually made to date has been closer to 1 gigapascal because you can't make every fucking atom obey you and even if you could they're not going to stay put when you're actually using the thing as a tool

And even these flawed nanotubes, no one has yet made one more than half a meter in length, which is a mere 34,999,999.5 meters shorter than it needs to be.

Call me when science invents a hammer that will never scratch or dent no matter how many nails you drive with it

>>130202389
>the picture on the right is actually labeled "Mars Training Course"
Subtle

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>>130202389
>NASA Training Course

ahahahahah holy shit dude are you even trying?

>>130202389
if space wasn't real your retarded government would spend said money on niggers rather than some meme

>>130176618
Fuck'n moishes post more and more stupid slide threads.

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>>130176618
Elongated Musket wants to go to Mars to start a nigger farm and become the biggest cuck outside Earth's orbit

space is literally the next dotcom bubble

>>130176618
I've been wondering what would happen to a woman's menstrual cycle in space and if she would be able to conceive outside earth's gravity? Idk if that's even a valid question desu

>>130202330
Escape velocity of earth is 11k m/s, most air particles move at veey low speeds and cannot escape our planet's gravity well.

Space also is not a true vacuum just very sparsely populated with matter.

>>130203115
Zero gravity doesn't affect menstruation but most female astronauts hormonally suppress it during missions just because the hygiene issues are such a hassle

Early fetal development in zero gravity would involve tremendous risk for deformity

>>130201734
https://www.fourmilab.ch/cship/timedial.html

time dilation isn't significant until you hit 50% of light speed. It's about 15%.
This means that a year long journey at 50% C would be 1 year and about 2.5 months.

Time dilation doesn't become super weird until you hit 90% of C, where 1 year of travel becomes 2 years 4 months.

As you pass 99%, it becomes ridiculous.
At 99.9999% of the speed of light, almost two years pass for every ship's day.

95-97% of C is the sweet spots. There, you can justify the time dilation vs the time saved and the energy expenditure of fractional C travel.

>>130203469
Except for the part where there's no practical theory for an engine or fuel that could accelerate a large object past 0.1 to 0.15 C

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>>130181203
>planets

>>130202497
http://theconversation.com/meet-the-nanomachines-that-could-drive-a-medical-revolution-58107

1 atom engine.
It's possible to make nanomachines that will be able to construct a semi-perfect carbon nanotube.

>>130200792
Holy fuck you massive faggot. Learn to focus your camera and maybe stars wouldn't look like that. For once in your life use the void in your thick shit skull.

>>130203981
How do you keep it perfect while in use when the very act of sending a "crawler" up it would introduce enough impurities and deformities to snap it?

>>130201565
there is this thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive

Wormholes are also a possiblity but can't be made so easily

>>130203738
thus, my argument shows it's a moot fucking point.

Even if we could someone reach even 50% of C, time dilation is not the thing to be worried about.

G Forces would be more pertinent long before you reached 15% even.

>>130204127
Electromagnetic fields.

>>130201089
i find that style overbearing but its heart is in the right place -- functionality first, art second, but never ever skimping on either

>>130204160
>alcubierre
That's a rhetorical thought experiment.

Here is another: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell%27s_demon

>worm-
Wormholes don't exist.

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>>130204381
>moving electromagnetic field
Oh wow, you'll vaporize anything that comes within a mile of the cable with the insane charge you'll pick up. Remember the time the Shuttle tried it? It quickly became incandescent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_XjFGUO28M

>>130204405
There's nothing in relativity that says wormholes can't exist. In fact, relativity dictates that they DO exist, they're just so rare that it's unlikely we'll ever observe one.

Generating one however........

>>130201393
actually all sorts of modern trappings have been written of or conceived of in ancient times, and even shit that they couldnt have seen like the internet has appeared in sci-fi that predates it, though usually under another name and not as developed

>>130201663
>integrated circuit, fiber optics, and multi-state processors,
all those things have a clear lineage that makes them seem not quite so insane. moving from manufacturing transistors and connecting them with wires or strips to simply manufacturing the whole mess all at once isn't that great a leap, and the math for computation in base 2 already was well established and well practiced through the use of vacuum tubes and relays in other applications

>>130201735
why would you want to? people already shun apartment complexes and skyscrapers in favor of suburban homes and office parks; i dont think most people would tolerate moving to a structure that would be like living on an aircraft carrier permanently

>>130176618
Jahhhhrrr. Space booty is every sea faring man's dream.

>>130204875
I can't remember the name, but there was this one show where it was just a giant Utopian suburb floating in a space dome and it followed this family...? I dunno, I'll look for it.

>>130204790
It won't be faster than light no matter how you make it. Causality prevents it.

>>130202497
They're called titanium hammers, and as long as they strike soft steel nails, then no, they'll never scratch or dent.

The math and the process is there for making a nanotube belt that's more than pure enough to attain 40-75 gigapascals. All that's left is to industrialize it.

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>>130204875
>people already shun apartment complexes and skyscrapers in favor of suburban homes and office parks
That's statistically untrue, the 20th and 21st centuries have been defined by ever greater numbers of people piling into smaller quarters.

That said, once you're outside of Earth's gravity well, there's no real reason a space colony can't be made large and comfortable. A megastructure like this wouldn't be launched into space at all - just some workers and equipment who would carve it from an asteroid.

>>130205152
Its not faster than light because its in effect bending space from point to point.

More of a loophole so to speak.

>>130205152
You don't have to be faster than light if you don't have to travel interstellar space.

>>130205152

It doesn't have to be faster than the speed of light. And if you'd paid more attention in science class you'd know that MATTER can't travel faster than the speed of light. Space/time itself can expand and contract at any speed it wants.

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>>130176618

You are mistaken.

Space is the next step in humanity's progress. As we reach for the stars to satisfy our needs for a growing population, we will also obtain the fabled Galactigates.

No doubt, it is a long and expensive process, but advancements that come as a result will make it cheaper per ton to bring things into orbit and back. As we continue to expand the human influence, we will one day spread true conservatism across the multiverse.

>>130205220
and produce single molecules longer than the circumference of the earth, when we couldn't even get supersonic flight to work out economically.

>>130205374
The main issue with a space colony is that there is no job or economic activity that the citizens could do that would pay for their room and volatiles.

>>130205374
Looks kindof like a toilet

>>130201914
>>130201662
>>130201607
Do you not know how optical zoom works?

https://www.astronomics.com/eyepiece-highest-useful-magnification_t.aspx

Inches per aperture, you dumb fuck.
That camera has a 0.24 inch aperture.
This means optical zoom loses clarity at around 40x on a PERFECTLY CLEAR NIGHT. You're literally getting blurry garbage. Realistically, unless you're in the middle of NOWHERE on a New Moon night in the middle of winter, on a perfect cloudless night, during a low solar activity point, the best you'll get out of that Camera is 8x optical zoom.

A regular cheapo telescope has an aperture of 3", which means it can zoom up to 80x before losing focus in sub-optimal conditions.

An 8" telescope can get up to 240x.

Go buy a fucking telescope. You can get them for under $100.

I found one at a garage sale that can be aimed by computer at stars if you put in the current date and your latitude.

>>130205688
Supersonic civilian transport didn't work out economically because of energy costs. Yet. The dream is still alive and well however.

Your attitude is the same one that told US railroad tycoons their transcontinental idea was doomed because they'd never be able to tame the plains Indians.

>>130205456
>>130205507
>>130205528

I'm not talking about rapidities here. If you go faster than light you go back in time which results in a direct violation of cause and effect. and cause and effect is a very well established principle of physics.

>>130206212
Seems we both have an anecdote that disproves the other. So much for anecdotes as a form of evidence, as i suspected.

But you're right about the energy costs. Note the vast difference in energy between an SST and a steam locomotive. Do you really expect the results to be identical? That's foolish at best.

>>130205688
>The main issue with a space colony is that there is no job or economic activity that the citizens could do that would pay for their room and volatiles.
The same could be said for artificial islands yet the Chinese keep flopping them everywhere

>>130176618
you and people like you are gigantic fucking faggots

stop posting forever

>>130206791
The chinese are using those for military bases and they're a tiny fraction of the cost of a space station. The ones the ragheads in dubai made all went to shit.

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>>130176618

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Thanks for holding the fort my space disinterested fellows. I was at the movies with my old man watching Aliens, oy vey. Fuck space.

As for the people who believe the earth is flat, I don't know, maybe. I haven't seen the curve, I'll tell you that much.

>>130206563
From 1840-1870, just the Comanches and Kiowa Indians were actively pushing BACK the western frontier. These are two tribes of hundreds who occupied the land. During that same time, the civil war happened. These things together completely halted manifest destiny. It wasn't until people decided they wanted a transcontinental railroad that the midwest of America was finally brought to heel.

Your attitude about a space elevator is the same line of thought that proclaimed a railroad would never be safe enough for people to use.

>>130205152
>It won't be faster than light no matter how you make it.
except space is expanding in excess of C, relative to the center of the universe.

>>130207314
There is no center.

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Which is correct?

>>130206338
>If you go faster than light you go back in time which results in a direct violation of cause and effect. and cause and effect is a very well established principle of physics.

It's not the speed that does that, it's the energy and mass, and thus the increased gravity.

You also don't go back in time, you "age" slower. Everything does everything slower due to the increased mass and gravity.

It's not actually time travel. It's relative.
Time dilation is not time travel.

>>130207568
Time dilation is an effect of approaching light speed, not surpassing it

>>130207551
False dichotomy, dipshit.

>>130198377
"From earth to earth, ashes to ashes, dust to dust"

You aren't being unreasonable, but I want to die in the dirt.

>>130207568
The speed of light MUST be the same in ALL reference frames. What exactly is your background on this?

>>130207897
You don't know that for sure. Those might indeed be the only two options. Just because you can imagine other options doesn't mean they're viable.

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>>130207568
Any sort of FTL communication or travel violates causality which means it cannot happen ever in any way shape or form and that's that.

http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/fasterlight.php#id--Causality

>>130208380
The sad part is the strongest argument in favor of FTL is "it would be totally cool if it existed"

And I agree with that

>>130207787
We actually can't know right now what surpassing C would do.
We need a quantum theory of gravity.

It wouldn't be time travel though.

>>130208083
The speed of light IS the same you fuckwit. It's GRAVITY and TIME that change during TIME dilation. It's not called Light Dilation. That's a different thing.

>we're apparently bounded by physics itself to never reach other stars

maybe ... someone intended ... to be like that

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>>130208493
Of course it would be. I love good sci fi as much as anyone. We just have to accept that most of sci-fi is just not gonna happen.

>>130208560
You're just spouting buzzwords you don't know the meaning of now. Go and read what i linked to you.

>>130208083
At what point did anything I say imply that light changed its speed in a vacuum?

Time dilation is perception, not time travel. It's relative only to things not traveling at or close to C.

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>>130207568

Retarded dorks. That's not real science, it's an invention by academics that want to keep their jobs. Build something! Impotent betas.

>>130208995
>http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/fasterlight.php#id--Causality

I'm not going to type it out for you. That's as simple as it gets.

>>130208762

Yes, I can choose to ignore Einstein because some asshole on 4chan tells me too. Unfortunately, I'm not as stupid as you.

It's a simple concept. Thing goes fast. So fast it gets to a portion of the speed of light. If thing goes this fast, the literal effect of entropy(time) slows down.

It's real. It's been proven. Take your causality loophole argument, and shove it up your stupid ass.

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>>130201089
This is tight architecture to me. Not just the central building in the pic.

>>130183099
Space
t. mig 29 pilot

>>130176618
Lol I love a good shitthread.

FUCKOFFSPACENIGGERS

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>>130209264
To other perspectives, events precede their causes when you have ftl communication or travel.

In classical physics, an effect can't occur before its cause. In the relativity theory, causality means that an effect can not occur from a cause which is not in the back (past) light cone of that event. Similarly, a cause can not have an effect outside its front (future) light cone.

Therefore, you cannot have FTL, no matter how you imagine it.

>>130177326
come on now sven, everyone knows shit-skins cant think ahead, let alone intelligently, lets just leave them be to get baked by the sun eons from now

>>130209018
Did you know oxygen was a conspiracy?

Go ahead and put a plastic bag over your head, don't let those fucking (((scientists))) think they can explain how the world works to you

>>130209291
Yup, you're a filthy fucking arab alright.

Your peoples time will come sooner or later.

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Why does every space thread turn into a flat earth LARP festival?

>>130209697
You talking to me?

There is nothing better than the Earth anywhere. Nothing comes close. I'll fight for my corner of it. How can you call your self a national socialist but be this willing to leave soil and history behind?

>>130209587
Yes, that's all nice and true. Then quantum theory happened. Now we need to find a unifying theory between the two. Until then, we're not going to know for sure if FTL is truly impossible or not. Fuck, time travel and matter transposition and all kinds of weird shit might be possible until then.

>>130209179

http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v10/n4/full/nphys2930.html

Don't try to simplify such things.
Causality is not what you think it is.
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/230007/does-quantum-mechanics-break-causality

the many worlds theory negates causality by having the universe performing a "world shift" at every non-causal event.

Considering the Big Bang expanded the universe at FTL speeds, it's a for sure thing that causality isn't what you believe it to be.

Until we have a theory of quantum gravity, though, this is all speculation with only logical evidence to it, not empirical.

>>130210064
>I'll fight for my corner of it
Against four billion "refugees"?

>>130209817
It's easy bait to throw out. Most idiots on /pol/ are too dumb to hit them with the time zone dilemma right away, so they get a bunch of easy (you)'s.