Why can't AnCaps and Facists have an alliance?

>>130162703
Because a fascist state would be in direct contradiction with an AnCap state, although an AnCap state would likely be very easy to occupy and annex.

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We do, we have always stood against the unnatural social engineering of the left

>>130162865
Why not have them help us eradicate the commies and we let them have their own slice of land where they can do heroin and fuck for money all they want?

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We do have one

Dummy

>>130163241
This

>>130162936
>>130163241
No we don't fuck off.
>>130162703
Because AnCap is degenerate and subversive. There's more to this world than materialism.

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>>130162703

>>130163693
Divide and conquer
>The post

Yeah fuck off

>>130163241
I really, really like this image! Mind if I save it?

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I thought ancaps like ancoms

>>130162865
>ancap
>state
What. They'll be a bunch of warring tribes with and the only law of their land would be their beloved NAP. They'd be easy as fuck for a actual state to take over

>>130163966
pretty much this

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>>130162703
Flag posters are cancer, larping faggots are worse.

Go back to pleddit or faceberg flagposters.

>>130163693

This. Ancaps and republicucks and libertarians are just as subversive as Marxists. The true right takes hierarchy as its watchword, along with transcendent principles based on aristocratic virility. Fascism is ok but absolute monarchy is best. Holy Roman Empire and auctoritas okay not muh guns and muh freedoms.

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>>130163966
your swastika is the wrong way faggot, fixed it for you

i agree tho

>>130164084
>AnCaps don't have a state

Not true, it's basically just that every person is their own governor within the "state", which is a covenant of likeminded people. The difference between a state and these covenants is that states impose on people who have not agreed to be imposed upon.

People think a lack of a police states suddenly reduces humanity to a bunch of stick and rock smacking cavemen, as if the capital gains tax is what's keeping humanity from pimping grandma. There's no logic to statists.

>>130164608
Not much of a state when anybody can just defect anytime they feel like it.

>>130162703
Because fascism is only supported by larping trash now.

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>why don't two opposing views unite?
I'd tell you to get fucked but authoritarian governments already fuck you.

>>130162703
>anarchists
>fascists
Do you know what these words mean op?

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>>130164057
The egotistical nerd virgins who can't stand people being wealthier than them? nah.

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>>130162703
Fascists are commies in denial. The only statists I could get along with are minarchists/monarchists. Early Italian fascism was pretty based, though. Just put someone with economic knowledge who uses the fascist system to open the markets in charge and we're good. NatSocs can burn in hell, though.

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>>130162703
I'll side with Fascists over commies any day.
>>130162865
An AnCap state is an oxymoron, but that aside, the territory would be difficult to occupy and annex due to it's lack of a centralized tax base and especially if it had a well armed populace.
>>130164057
>>130164228
delet this

An AnCap society might quickly disintegrate if strong traditional values were not inculcated into the populace. I hate libertarians who espouse the "I want gays to defend their marijuana plants with guns" meme

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>>130165724
Ancaps are jews in denial. The only anarchists I could get along with are dead ones and dead Jews. Early white America with enslaved blacks was pretty based, though. Just put someone with economic knowledge who uses the libertarian system to open the markets in charge and we're good to import niggers. Libertarians can burn in hell, though.

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>>130162703
Because an alliance with the authoritarian left is absurd.

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>>130166121

Austrian business cycle theory is the antithesis of central banking. Are you not an AUSTRIAN economist? Your racefaggotry blinds you to the facts. You faggots cant see the forest for the trees, which is why nobody takes you seriously.

>>130162936
This. Anyone saying otherwise is a newfag, shill, or 3 letter agency trying to divide and conquer. We may disagree on certain things but we have always agreed when it comes to the left.

>>130166121
>Rothbard defended white nationalism
>AnCaps in general advocate for the right of discrimination, allowing you to even exlcude da joos from your community
Liderally nod an argumend :DDDD

>>130162703
What do you think of the flags?

http://www.strawpoll.me/13205417

>>130166458
And importing non whites is Austrian economics

You don't want to infringe on my cheap Mexican workers do you

>>130166499
Muh based Jews the arguement

>>130166499
You need to get redpilled about Rothbard immediately:

"Secondly, the domestic citizens may very well lose more from immigration barriers as consumers than they gain as workers. For immigration barriers (a) impose shackles on the international division of labor, the most efficient location of production and population, etc., and (b) the population in the home country may well be below the “optimum” population for the home area. An inflow of population might well stimulate greater mass production and specialization and thereby raise the real income per capita."

https://mises.org/library/man-economy-and-state-power-and-market/html/pp/1350

If the whole world were AnCap, couldn't NatSocs just be able to form their own corporate ethno states under an AnCap world?

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>>130167526
>And importing non whites is Austrian economics
>You don't want to infringe on my cheap Mexican workers do you

You haven't the foggiest fucking clue about Austrian economics or else you wouldn't make retarded claims like this one.

Lrn2Subjective Value Theory

>>130168203
No states are coercive mechanisms by definition. And coercion cannot take place in an anarchistic society. Shitheads, of course, could live together and wave their stupid flags but they wouldn't be able to coerce anyone.

>>130168259
Coca cola is a brutal trade war with the opposing brand "Not Coca cola"
Coke hires mexicans to load boxes and do easy shit rather then whites
They can sell real coke for cheaper and win the trade war

Free market is a Jewish invention. The idea of a free market is Jewish mercantilism invented by Dutch Jews. I'll tell you capitalism wasn't the same like it is now back in the 1400's

>>130169589
>>130169589

>conflating this hard

Corporations are state-granted privileges of limited liability. In free markets, corporations cannot exist.

Under centralized economic planning (socialism), corporations are entirely possible. So is central banking. You're propping up the very "jewish" trap that you claim to be against.

>>130162703
There's an unspoken truce between the two.

>>130162703
>post libertarian picture
>asks about Anachro-captialism
Every time.

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>>130164057
Who the fuck told you that?

>>130169900
I meant company anyway you want to deny my point that cheap Mexican workers would be in ancap and plenty of them, unless whites worked for Mexican tier wages.

>mplying I'm a (((socialist)))

Free market=unfree people
Always. If you were a real anarchist capitalist you'd just steal what you wanted. People violate the NAP on themselves by allowing you to take from them. Argh.

>>130162703
Much like criticism of Muslims makes terrorists, tredding on ancaps makes fascists. The funny thing is, leave those hornets alone and they won't bother you, but for some reason the left has to poke and poke and poke and poke.

What if I don't want to work in the interest of the people? Checkmate, statist.

>>130162703
We do.

>>130170259
>I meant company anyway you want to deny my point that cheap Mexican workers would be in ancap and plenty of them, unless whites worked for Mexican tier wages.

Yawn. Exploitation is more expensive under anarchy. There is no way to externalize its cost.

Because ancaps are spergy memesters whose ideology is the polar opposite of fascism

>>130170713
You get shot in the head

What if I don't want to work in the interests of the people in ancap? I can actually do that without consequence if I have money

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>>130170259
What need have we to socialize banks and factories? We socialize human beings. - John Hitler

>>130162865
>I'm 12 years old and what is fascism
>I'm 12 years old and what is anarcho-capitalism

We can have an alliance all fucking day, and we do. You gotta cull the herd in order to maintain a proper social order in either a libertarian society or a fascist society.

>>130170905
Yeah, that's the point, the reason ancap isn't compatible with fascism. In the real world, talents leave your fascist shithole for society with more freedom such as an ancap society.

>>130169460
Yes that's what I thought, they couldn't coerce others but could do free trade with them.

>>130170877
>national bolshevik
Talk about memester. That's the most retarded ideology I've ever seen. So how is it? It's a national international of workers ? You waste of fucking oxygen.

>>130170821
work for $2 or else I'm bringing in a Mexican or shipping my business overseas.
>inb4 people will not buy from that company because of what it's doing
People already buy clothes from retailers they know have children in sweatshops. People will buy the cheaper shit and always have. It's why Chinese tv's and things sell great and American owned cars manufactures and things are getting cucked

If your not working for the good of the people your a traitor and need a bullet. Explain how someone say a Rabid Zionist Jew intent on making America non white is good for that society

>>130171215
see last point
>>130171774

>>130171948
Just create a company and have your goods made by little kids in china then.

>>130163875
AYYY boiiiiiii, come here my man

>>130163875
That swastika needs to go up more

>>130162703
Because fascism is socialism but more cucked.

>>130171774

The whole point of the exploitation was of the wagecucks themselves. Using good money rather than the worthless paper script you're jewing me into using will increase in value over time thanks to increased demand. People will literally obtain more for less in a free society.

Likewise, in a market anarchism, there are no corporations. Companies that try to obstruct worker justice will quickly find themselves without workers when they flock to better companies. Workers will be able to demand more for their labor, the money they receive will increase in purchasing power, and thereby the costs of goods decrease. This facilitates the benefit of everyone except the parasite classes that you support, but claim to be against.

>>130172701
>Companies that try to obstruct worker justice will quickly find themselves without workers when they flock to better companies.

Not to mention that the individuals responsible would be liable under lawsuits, unlike today or in your shitty nazi society.

>>130162703

Because they contradict each other, and homosexuality/pedophilia wouldn't be legal in a fascist nation.

>>130173002
>pedophilia wouldn't be legal

It's not legal in market anarchy either. Nice try, fgt.

>>130172600
The free market is everything wrong with society

Pornography making a market for BLACKED porn
Pop media degernating young children
Giving women more economic freedom allowing them to whore around
Fast food making people fat and overweight
Worst bit for ancap is none of that actually kills people and these people still pass on genes and create wealth
I like how ancaps think Hollywood would disappear these cucked films sell millions

>>130173193
But what if the child consents
What is a community say 12 is the age of consent?
It's not called anarchism for no reason

Anyway gays still are

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They can. Check out That Guy T's video 'In Defence of Libertarian Fascism'

In fact, Hoppean Libertarianism is almost crypto-Fascist in its principles.

>>130173369
>But what if the child consents
>>muh meme

Children are incapable of consent, obviously.

fascism is for babies who never grew up. would rather ally with leftie libertarians

>>130173205
Not really the "free" market, the spirit of individualism. In a true nationalist state that is nationalist and collectivist in it's spirit, it doesn't matter how the economy is organized. Then ruthless competition can be a tool for helping the nation and the people, that's not what it is today.

"What need have we to socialize banks and factories? We socialize human beings"

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>>130173205

>conflating what we have now as free market this hard

>>130173616
But at what age can they consent? who defines what age?
What if their parents think 12 is fine?

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>>130162703
Because capitalism is the problem of our degenerated culture.

>>130173864
All of that is free market with hardly any big evil government blocking. Maybe fast food but even then people still eat like shit and do drugs and they know it's bad for them

>>130173864
retarded faggot

>>130173867
I say, they can consent when they parents consent to their liberty.

>>130173205
All your points come from the dissolution of the necessity of church thanks to state institutions.
The state killed church, and the lack of church killed moral values.

That along with forced integration, nobody wants to live next to nignogs, but give people democracy and they will decide that others should accept living with nignogs.

>>130162703
We do. For now. Once the conmies are gone I'm coming for you next. All socialists get the Rotors

>>130173867
>But at what age can they consent? who defines what age?
>What if their parents think 12 is fine?

The point at which they are no longer children is when they are able to consent. When the reach the age of reason and have the capacity to give informed consent is when they are no longer children. Obviously some mature more quickly than others, but at 12, even if their parents think it's fine, they are most likely wrong and it is still illegal.

>>130174176
>Each individual allows himself to be clapped in chains because that the other end of the chain is held not by a man or a class but by the people themselves.

>>130174040
There are millions of Muslims currently in the United states right now. Atleast one of these would form a self sufficient farming community and introduce shria law with child marriage.

>>130174176
>The state killed church, and the lack of church killed moral values.
The church killed itself by becoming leftist for more followers. Gotta get more based Christian blacks.

>nobody wants to live next to nignogs, but give people democracy and they will decide that others should accept living with nignogs.
But most people do not live next to niggers and that's why even Sweden hasn't banned Muslims and it's why white flight occoures then these white areas get cucked by Hollywood movies which make millions and need zero goverment money and so on

(((Democracy)))

>>130173976
>All of that is free market with hardly any big evil government blocking.

The circumstances surrounding these symptoms involve government manipulation. Do you really think that the sexual liberation would be this whorish without parens patriae? If anything, you will see a return to family values as people will rely upon each other, rather than the gibsmedat gummit for support.

>>130162703
>Be ancap
>Ancap is now the only system in the world
>Monopolies dependent on the state collapses
>Millions of people lose jobs
>No welfare or safety nets
>People hungry and starving
>People have nothing
>People start to revolt and leftist movements form
>Socialism arises
>Leftists win

>>130174607
At least they will only subject each other to it and we won't have to prop them up financially while they do it. Meanwhile same people will not cooperate with them

>>130174766
>le accelerationism
Keep telling yourself that losing means you win.

>>130174752
No the opposite actually women will be encouraged to join the work force since missing out on 50% of your population not buying shoes and lipstick and birth control pills is in the billions. I can imagine some doctors making a business off of selling cheap abortions

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>>130162703
We do have one, we just argue a lot.
>like an old married couple

Neither of us will ever win an election, so we're just passing time until the Collapse when we can finally do some physical removal.

>>130162703
I started a discord server for this very reason, I want to bring Libertarians and Nationalists together

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>>130175100
>No the opposite actually women will be encouraged to join the work force

You know why.

>>130163693
Kill yourself

>>130174607
>The church killed itself by becoming leftist for more followers. Gotta get more based Christian blacks.
The church was doing a good labor with black people. Church applies a positive set of moral values to people who need moral guidance to stay on path.

The extension of the state allows for the dissolution of private charity/societies which are way more effective at behavioral judgement than any state can ever be.

>But most people do not live next to niggers and that's why even Sweden hasn't banned Muslims and it's why white flight occoures then these white areas get cucked by Hollywood movies which make millions and need zero goverment money and so on

Exactly, they do not live next to them, that's why, through democracy, they never quite reap what they sow until it's too late.

You might vote to fill your country with immigrants, but people who tend to do that do it from their rich neighborhoods, fully aware that the immigrants won't bother them.

But when people vote with their feet (which is what libertarians want), they actually show way more intelligence and way higher precautions.

Ever noticed how leftist threaten to move to the whitest country they can think of if anti-immigration candidates win the election? They are hypocrites who are too dumb to realize what they really want. That's why we need to get rid of democracy or embrace maximum decentralization at least.

>>130174894
Ancap "i'm fine with muslims having child marriage and gays just as long as I don't give them money"

And that is how a society degenerates and collapses because as much as ancap doesn't want to admit the vast majority of gays don't get aids and die they work jobs and just fuck man arse.

No one would ever vote Ancap in and they don't have the strength during a collapse to take power compared to fascists and generic right wing people. Dead ideology

>>130162703
Because they are polar opposites in almost every way

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>>130175294
Anclaps & libertarions are useful idiots for the enemy. Send invite and I'll go on a mission to convert them.

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>>130162703
Ancaps refuse to believe that the first world relies on sweatshops labor and borderline slavery . The neo-cons and the ancaps want the same thing, and that is global capitalism. They just have different tactics, and on gives more power to the capitalists.

>>130175506
>The church was doing a good labor with black people. Church applies a positive set of moral values to people who need moral guidance to stay on path.
>The extension of the state allows for the dissolution of private charity/societies which are way more effective at behavioral judgement than any state can ever be.
Muh based blacks just oppressed f a m. Fuck off r/donald go suck off some more Jews and import some more Mexicans

>But when people vote with their feet (which is what libertarians want), they actually show way more intelligence and way higher precautions.
Sure you can have your own commune but all the big corporations are importing mexicans

>>130175623

>Sweden

>>130162703
>AnCaps

Why do you want anarchist retards on your side? What good are they to you?

>>130175856
They are more useless than ancoms and that is saying a lot. Atleast ancoms can gather real protests.

>>130175623
Libertarianism needs Nationalism, but 4chan won't let me post an invite, thinks it's spam

>>130175952
Ancap doesn't actually exist in real life only cuck libertarians do

>>130162703
It could work under an ancap state with a deeply ingrained fascist culture.

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>>130175556
I know, I just like LARPing sometimes and meming ancap with bad arguments.
They're a shit ideology.

>>130175804

What you and everyone else calls capitalism, isn't what ancaps call capitalism. Market anarchism is a better term.


To ancaps: fucking drop "capitalism" from your vocabulary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QsbvE_0Kpc

>>130162703

An-Caps are capitalist shills. That's why. Another materialistic, economic reductionist ideological 'movement.'

>>130176048
I used to be a libertarian, and I can say that there is no such thing as a libertarian. There is no real libertarian.

>>130163158
That's actually not a bad idea, it'll be their own little Ancapistan, you know like Pakistan except instead of muslims it's Ancaps

>>130162703
Both endorse inequality as natural and just but fascists also see freedumb as an ingredient for degeneracy which they don't accept.


Ancaps love Free speech and debate.
Fascists love to see ideas fight and the strongest survive.

>>130170905
>What if I don't want to work in the interests of the people in ancap

you can just fuckign do that.

>>130176233
>Caps are capitalist shills. That's why. Another materialistic, economic reductionist ideological 'movement.'


See

>>130176081

Then do some homework and come back when you have a cogent argument.

>>130175808
>Muh based blacks just oppressed f a m

are you fucking retarded? If anything, what makes blacks terrible is precisely a total lack of oppression. You can thank the government for that. Anti discrimination laws, forced association, welfare, things that you would never see a libertarian defending.

>Sure you can have your own commune but all the big corporations are importing mexicans

And where are they importing them? In a libertarian society you could decide that your private city does not accept immigrants unless highly skilled, for example. This could show to be the most economically successful formula for property value, and it would be replicated by other private city landlords.

This would mean that the big corporations would either need to settle in shit cities with no security (imagine detroit but without subsidized police by white people's taxes), and no mexican would like to leave everything behind to go to such a shithole.

Things such as socialized police, healthcare, etc are what makes immigration appealing in the first place, whites are paying for immigrants to feel safe.

>>130162703
because Ancap is a weak, inferior and facile ideology designed and controlled by jews

>>130163954
Me too! Save it, It's all yours my friend! :)

>>130175556
i have no problem with gays, but child brides migth violate the nap.
also as an actual heterosexual male, i like to have more gay men, as i would have less competition for females.

>>130176692
>Things such as socialized police, healthcare, etc are what makes immigration appealing in the first place, whites are paying for immigrants to feel safe.
No people in Venezuela would love to live in that shitty detorit city. That also implies with the money they get from using practically slave labor wages they can spend on a pmc to shoot any niggers within 100 yards of the compound. No socialist police force also means the companies pmc can go ham.

Thank god the majority of libertarians are 50 and over the sooner this retarded ideaology that's mocked everywhere but the US dies out the better for society

>>130177071
Ancap everyone

So much for le helicopter degenerates. Oh wait that only happens if they explicitly make threats, so a legit communist commune or Black Islamic farming community is 100% fine

>>130177071

Fuck your NAP.

"...but also that the parent should not have a legal obligation to feed, clothe, or educate his children, since such obligations would entail positive acts coerced upon the parent and depriving the parent of his rights. The parent therefore may not murder or mutilate his child, and the law properly outlaws a parent from doing so. But the parent should have the legal right not to feed the child, i.e., to allow it to die." -Rothbard

National socialism is an ideology that generates coercion and therefore is quickly rejected by a big part of the population who despises injustices.

National socialism will always need to hide its power level and become increasingly cucked if they want any kind of sustainability.

You give someone the power to fuck over half of the population who don't want anything to do with you, and what you will get is a knee jerk reaction that will end up with the other half of the population taking power and doing the same to you. 80 years of cucked Germany/Europe thanks to this shit ideology, and counting.

What you retards should be embracing is DISSOCIATION. It is your right, it does not generate coercion, it does not generate reaction. AND CONTRACTS, which makes this dissociation sustainable. Anything else will just be 4-8 years of smiles and decades of being fucked in the ass.

>>130177337
i ahve no problem with a small voluntary communist commune that doesnt include me and doesnt try to conquer the world. islam however si incompatible with the nap and should be purged.

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>>130177337
>a legit communist commune or Black Islamic farming community is 100% fine

U mad? U mad.

>>130177460
National socialism is an ideology that generates coercion and therefore is quickly rejected by a big part of the population who despises injustices.
Yeah and they get a gassing, ancap actually larps about muh helicopters but fascists go though with it. ancaps get beaten up by antifa
>You give someone the power to fuck over half of the population who don't want anything to do with you, and what you will get is a knee jerk reaction that will end up with the other half of the population taking power and doing the same to you. 80 years of cucked Germany/Europe thanks to this shit ideology, and counting.
You know Hitler was voted in democratically right? And it's in fact the """""Free""""" societys of Britain and American under order from the capitalists and Jews invaded them

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>>130177689
>t.cuckold who sucks jewish dick for a living

>>130177434
why would a person get a kid and then doesnt atke care of it? that doesnt make sense.

>>130177689
I'm not mad cause they wouldn't be in my society
You'll be mad when your sharing a society with them once they breed up u

Enjoy deporting blacks back when that violates nap. Have fun with your "Based" non whites slowly breeding up and gaining market power and control. Then the inevitable civil war once a famine or some vital resource runs out.

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Why do you faggots always go "muh children" like a bunch of leftist retards whenever ancap gets mentioned? Do you really believe white people will be out there whoring their kids? Do you actually think no one will do anything against some degenerate trying to get their progeny hooked on heroin? Why do you care about a subhuman shitskin child in a 3rd world hellhole?
Stop LARPing with your swastika flags you fucking retards.

>>130178088
Why do women sell kids?
A women could potentially turn herself into a baby producing machine and sell them off for thousands of dollars to pedos. Even if that's not the case abortion doctors would be in contest to see who can give the cheapest abortion

And it's entirely okay for all of this to happen

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Normal Ancapism is retarded. Hoppean Ancapism however is nearly perfect because it involves physical removal of communists, democrats, homosexuals, and overall non-kin centered life styles from society, solving the degeneracy problem from society. You're allowed to exclude jews or blacks from your community as well because of property rights.

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>>130178041
>>130178134

>>130178268
They think that everyone will just immediately go degenerate in the absence of the government. "Please Hitler stop me from fapping to traps and anime children!"

>>130177770
>Yeah and they get a gassing

You're never going to get a chance at this. See, this is what I was saying, you think that you're going to gas people and the world is not going to ask themselves if they're next? It's fucking idiotic. Your ideology is source of conflicts and therefore can't be sustainable.

>ancaps get beaten up by antifa

And where are the nazis? Failed to see a single nazi flag in any manifestation. Tons of gadsen and ancap flags though, some crushing antifa's heads.

>And it's in fact the """""Free""""" societys of Britain and American under order from the capitalists and Jews invaded them

Because you cannot keep a country united if you don't create enemies. This shit is even in Goebbles writings. Invasion of Poland, etc, all because people would have revolted otherwise against the constant bullying of brown shirts to subject economic interests to the government's interests.

You cannot have peaceful national socialism, not unless you turn so much into social-democracy that your ideals become totally disfigured.

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>>130178268

Here is the original.

>>130177460
You're taking genetics out of the equation.

Coercion is tolerated by some peoples more so than others. For example, Russia and China need a strongly hierarchical structure that enforces traditional values to thrive. Deference to authority is in their blood. Anglo-Saxons, on the other hand can't tolerate coercion because their love of rugged individualism which, too, runs in their blood. Oceanic nations such as England, America, or Denmark tend towards individualism and "exploring the unknown" while "dry" nations such as Saudi Arabia, Russia, or China tend to be much more "coercion tolerant".

>>130178503
i think selling her children would violate the nap since her kids arent her property.
child sex would also violate the nap.

>>130165724

>Fascists are commies in denial

/thread

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>>130178706

>>130179087
What if the child consents?
What age can a child consent?
Who defines this?
What if the community say the child is the age of consent?

>>130179266

See

>>130174410

Cool strawman, yo. Children are incapable of informed consent. You should read Rothbard sometime.

>>130162703
because they suck the dick of big business, and will support the destruction of culture for profit

>>130162936
>cross
Fuck off

Truly the most pathetic debate in history. Did you ever wonder that different countries will adopt an economic platform most suited to them, rather than claiming that one system is superior to all. There can be NatSoc states and AnCap corporate holdings and guess what, the free market of ideas and reality will show which society is superior. I dont worship the free market nor do i worship the state. They are all tools, you are autistic and pathetic if you see it any different.

>>130179466
>because they suck the dick of big business, and will support the destruction of culture for profit


lurk moar

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>>130179438
So 12 since a child can reason at 12. Perhaps even 10 since that's the age you can be charged with criminal offenses.

>>130179010
>Coercion is tolerated by some peoples more so than others

Only in lieu of external examples. Culturally locked societies might maintain coercion for longer. It's not a gen that makes people more docile.

Currently there's a high level of coercion in Anglo-Saxon countries too, the US was an example of land without major coercion that was successful, and that had to be imitated by many who were exposed to its influence, but we're leading to a one-world-culture and a one-world-government which favors marxism.

>>130179844

It requires a sufficient capacity to be capable of informed consent. The bar is higher than you're trying to make it out to be.

>>130179419
> What age can a child consent?
a child needs atleast be able to read and write contracts. currently that would mean something around 10 years.

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>>130180075
So what age is that?
If a large Muslim community say it's 12 who's going to stop them, taking into note their self sufficient and have purchased arms and possibly even have the finical backing from middle eastern countries
Pic related

>>130177460
>>130177770
>ancaps and nazis arguing

like watching two retards fight

>>130180261

cool LARPing, bro.

>>130180314
>So what age is that?

It's not entirely set in stone, but if there is to be a set age, it needs to be high enough to defend all of those who mature later. So the age is definitely higher than what you're suggesting.

>>130162703

Because AnCaps are a bunch of degenerate drug users, fags, and atheists. Also AnCap promotes (((usury))) which is incompatible with a Fascist state.

>>130180333
>Communist
I'm just gonna ignore 100% of all your posts from now on.

>>130180535
So you have no formal definition so that means from community to community it would vary and since there is no official anti-abuse police there would be no one to stop that Muslim community.

It's 14 in Germany are they wrong?
12 in Japan are they wrong?
16 in Australia are they wrong?
13 and 14 in South America are they wrong?

how do you measure maturity, will each community need a doctors note saying they are mature enough for sex?

>>130170422
And then the other real capitalists would kill me for trying to steal, or the community as a whole would refuse to do any business with me. How hard is "don't shit where you eat" to understand?

>>130166542
Shit poll you tally the vote at around 100 kys

>>130162703
was googling around a bit and ended upon this:
>The Tea Party movement is an American political minarchist, conservative movement within the Republican Party. Members of the movement have called for a reduction of the U.S. national debt and federal budget deficit by reducing government spending, and for lower taxes.[1][2] The movement opposes government-sponsored universal healthcare[3]

>tfw I just realized that that weird American Tea Party thing I used to think of as "crazy conservative nutjobs" are actually extremely reasonable and very inline with my beliefs now that I look up their actual policies
>the fucking media propaganda actually worked on me, holy fuck I feel stupid

>>130181057
>So you have no formal definition so that means from community to community it would vary and since there is no official anti-abuse police there would be no one to stop that Muslim community.

You're missing the point. The person could be older than 12 and still incapable of informed consent, so my previous statements imply that 12 is too young for a set age.

>>130180333
Unlike communism where its actual retards fight.

>>130181057
Not the anon you're responding here, but in this case I agree with you that age of consent is a morally subjective matter and should be decided in a decentralized way.

That being said, parents tend to migrate where their children will be safe, and in a private property society, these parents would need to sign contracts in order to migrate to a new place, contracts which will explicitly forbid them from bringing their backwards beliefs with them.

Market demands and economic migration would show what age of consent brings higher prosperity.

>>130164057
FUCK NO

I hate them more than literally anything in this world.

>>130181511
>age of consent is a morally subjective matter
>morally subjective

gtfo

>>130162865
I don't know about AnCaps but Libertarians certainly could align with NatSocs. We'd have to compromise. I could compromise on a military and keeping out niggers, jews and spics if they could compromise to having a written law that everyone is subject to. No authoritarian dictator.

>>130179557
Ahmed, plz

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>>130181369
So how old?
Sounds a bit statist putting your own definition over someones Else's right to sex. In fact your opinion has the same weight as someone who's dead set on thinking it's 12.

Your not sounding very anarchist to me. More minachist

It's almost like communities have different morals and the state with it's laws is a simple solution that unifies all the different communities under one set of rules for easy social cooperation

>>130165876
What if we'd have an ethnonationalist fascist state and all an-cap types can voluntarily choose to not participate in the state in such a way that they are not taxed and not conscripted but have no vote and no access to state institutions for free, they could at any time choose to join the state if they so choose to do so?

>>130181757
If it's not morally subjective, why haven't you been able to pinpoint a number?

If you advocate for interventionism against people who go against your subjective moral values instead of dissociation you might as well change your flag right now.

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>>130162936
always will

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>>130164466
Bump.

>>130181854
That wouldn't work since they would be on your land and using your resources being mined from the ground. In fact your just being a cuck and letting a nation form within your own borders for the sole purpose of letting capitalistic parasites live free in which cause your not a natsoc but a cuck

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>>130162703
I know thy tribulation and thy poverty, but thou art rich: and thou art blasphemed by them that say they are Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 2:9.


You know, for a religion supposedly "engineered by jewry", we sure do have a history of really hating the jews, who put our LORD up on the cross. Perhaps atheism and nihilism is the real opiate for the masses, as one who buys into it has zero values or morals or even reason to live. Hmmmmm.

>>130181827
well a person needs to have gone through puberty to give sexual consent though so in that case one can easily say that any sexual contact by a third person towards a prebuscent person is molestation/ done without consent.

>>130182158
wrong thread

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Let's no conflate AnCaps with Libertarians. Libertarians believe in limited government not it's abolition.

>>130181854
Then you're actually an an-cap.

Anarcho capitalism is a set of ideals that allows for the creation of pure capitalist societies through voluntary interactions, does not mean that all the societies would be capitalistic.

>>130181827
>Sounds a bit statist putting your own definition over someones Else's right to sex. I

If you are incapable of informed consent, then you are incapable of entering into any agreement with anyone about anything. It's the legal equivalent of being mentally handicapped. When that person reaches that capacity, then they are capable of making such decisions for themselves. Anyone who takes advantage of the young are criminals.

>>It's almost like communities have different morals

>muh moral relativism

There are moral obligations which transcend any given culture.

>>130182232
At what age does puberty stop or has occurred enough to have sex?
There can't be some doctor that goes around giving people the okay to have sex. That's retarded
When tits appear and grow to x size?
x amount of periods ?
x amount to time since period started?
How do you keep track of all of this

>>130173541
Bump.

>>130181987
>If it's not morally subjective, why haven't you been able to pinpoint a number?

Methodological individualism. You should know this, larper.

>>130182391
>Let's no conflate AnCaps with Libertarians

Libertarianism is defined by the NAP. Only anarchists are libertarian.

>>130182558
>There are moral obligations which transcend any given culture.
You mean like not killing babies
Woops Spartans threw them off cliffs, and people abort them all the time

Like not cannibalization
Woops Papua new guinea does that

Like not diddling children
Woops the middle east does that

Like not killing?
Woops America uses death penalty and shoots thieves who may or may not be starving

>>130162703
Ancaps are degenerates.

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>>130163693

>What is Paleolibertarianism, the post

>>130182601
i dont ahve enough knowledge about biology to definetely decide that, but i woudl say for the females after the first period and for the boys after the first ejakulation,

>fascism
>not left

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>>130178873
Fuck. Right? I'm not an AnCap because I do believe in some limited government, borders and property, however I don't think we'd be degenerates in the absence of government anymore than we would under absence of religion.

>>130162703
Same thing as feminists forming an alliance with mudslimes desu senpai

>>130182822

Cool conflation, bro. You conflate crimes (throwing babies off of cliffs) with non-crimes (death penalty) along with cultural differences. Way to obscure the debate when you're losing.

Spartans baby cliff throwing > wrong

Guinea cannibalism > wrong (non-consensual dinner)

Middle east > wrong

America death penalty > ok (only wrong because the state does it)

America shooting non-starving thieves > ok

America shooting starving thieves > wrong

It's pretty simple, fgt.

>>130182961
After a quick google search the first period age is around 10-15 with the average of 12 that's a large age gap

So you can diddle a 10 year old. Who tests if she's actually had a period are there official community sex testers who go around and test for children's periods and ejaculation. Surely a smart degenerate pedo could fake a period or ejaculation.

Ancap is such a retarded system, your not even sounding very anarchist to me, you sound like you want minachism to me in which case ancap is proved retarded once again.

>>130183163
>Libertarians (as far as I can tell) support a limited government not its abolition.

This is a classic debate between those that consider themselves libertarian. It's a facet of the minarchy vs. anarchy debate.

What's the difference between a minarchist and an anarchist? Six months.

>>130181987
>Methodological individualism

How the hell does that invalidate my claim?

>>130182601
Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed. Nature knows more about biology than any of us.

>>130183523
> So you can diddle a 10 year old

only if that person gives consent

>>130183362
>America shooting non-starving thieves > ok

The qualifier is in the act of retrieving the stolen property when necessary.

>>130182668
>>130183663
meant to quote

>>130183362
And why are you right and they wrong? Can you prove that to me or does your subjective reality rely on the false backing/believing that everyone thinks the same? Or the majority of the planet and all people that have ever existed are objectively wrong but your right?


America shooting starving thieves > wrong
Well that's not ancap you can shoot nap breakers all you want

>>130162703

AUTHORITARIANS FUCK OFF

>>130183728
>>130183663
>>130183717


Fuck off LARPers.

>>130183717
>>130183728
Welp you heard it from ancap folks

Fucking a 10 year old is fine as long as she's had her period and you trade her a lollypop to make her consent

>>130182478
Not really what i envisioned, the idea was that in such a society as i inferred to the an-caps and libertarian types would not need to be forcibly removed but instead they would be like the amish or native reservations inside the larger state itself.

>>130183837
>Can you prove that to me or does your subjective reality

Cool false dichotomy, bro. For starters, it's not my place to convince you of the laws of nature. It's your job to try to convince me of something that seems like anything but common sense.

>subjective reality
nice solipsism.

>Well that's not ancap you can shoot nap breakers all you want

Actually, it's not. The NAP applies both ways. A disproportionate response makes the shooter a NAP violator.

>>130173541

NIGGA WUT WE WUZ?

>>130183870
I made a simple question, how does methodological individualism decide what the age of consent must be?

Are you claiming that methodological individualism should be mandatory, and not just a pompous way of saying "when in Rome, do as romans do"?

Because that leads to communism.

>>130162936
the Iron Eagle and the Gadsen snake remind me of Zarathustras pets in Nietzsches book

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The only anwer is national capitalibertarianism.

>>130162703
We do

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>>130182822
>Like not killing?
>Woops America uses death penalty and shoots thieves who may or may not be starving

Implying the methheads, gang members, teenage shitheads and serial murderers/rapists break into peoples homes cos they're starving ever. Srsly get a load of this fucking faggot.
Next time you hear about someone shoplifting have a look at what it is they're stealing, is it bread, milk and tins of beans? Of course fucking not, it's alcohol, cigerettes, designer cloths and shoes, jewelery, electronics, etc
If someone doesn't want to get shot, they souldn't break into peoples houses, it's that fucking simple so go eat glass you criminal appeasing spastic.

>>130184600

If you understood what methodological individualism was, you wouldn't be asking this question. Likewise, every market anarchist worth her weight know what it is, which means you're a fucking troll toolbag larping as a market anarchist. It's not my job to educate you. Lurk more, do some homework, and then get back to me.

>>130184395
>laws of nature,
I want to rape your wife and take her as mine, I want to kill your son since he's a potential threat to my genetics and I want town x to succeed over town y because we both produce grain or something so firebombing is not out of the question.

Unless your objective opinion of natural law is everyone is a hunter gatherer ignoring they quite often fought over mammoths and caves to live in and raped women all the time.

>Actually, it's not. The NAP applies both ways. A disproportionate response makes the shooter a NAP violator.
It's almost like aggression is also subjective and someone starving and looking for food breaking into my house to me is seen as aggressive. Or are you in ancap going to allow bums to break into houses and not expect to get shot.

>>130184902
in ancap land it's very likely someone may be starving or so poor they just need some money to secure some more rent money in which case the rational side of their brain might turn off for the irrational Hungary side

In which case if someone momentarily goes insane and kills someone. Maybe a cheater or something then comes to their senses are they liable since they weren't in a rational mind and were unable to think?

>>130185079
>I want to rape your wife and take her as mine, I want to kill your son since he's a potential threat to my genetics and I want town x to succeed over town y because we both produce grain or something so firebombing is not out of the question.


Herp derp, cool misrepresentation, bro. It's almost like you've never heard of the natural law. Stop being retarded and do some homework.

>aggression is also subjective

Don't you wish, you fucking nazi. There is an objective morality. That sucks for your bankrupt ideology, I know.

>>130162703
The purpose of those groups are not to win, but to push. People who subscribe to those beliefs need to introduce the principles and values to the public. The left has been doing this for ages. Push for 10, win with 1, then push for 11.

The end goal is to get the zeitgeist of the country back to the morals and character that made it great in the first place.

>>130185467
>Herp derp, cool misrepresentation, bro. It's almost like you've never heard of the natural law. Stop being retarded and do some homework.
Yeah I get it you say there's a objective morality but plenty of cultures don't agree with that. Why is yours right and Japans "statist" isn't?

>Don't you wish, you fucking nazi. There is an objective morality. That sucks for your bankrupt ideology, I know.
So I can break into your house if I don't intend to harm you but just to steal your tv and computer? After all I'm not doing it aggressibly but because i can't afford my sons medical bill or something
And if i'm Hungary and looking for good I get free reign to do so?

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>>130183984
Again do you really think people will stay quiet if you start diddling their kids and fucking around? Kids belong to their parents until they can provide for themselves so you would be violating the parents NAP by doing that shit and no self respecting parent from a decent community would let their children "get fucked" for simple material goods. There's absolutely nothing wrong with getting married at a young age and this age of consent shit is a modern leftist agenda to destabilize families and make women more prone to accept their liberal views.
Who cares if mudshits or niggers won't protect their own? Stop being a commie shithead and let people sort themselves out instead of enforcing your views on others and trying to "save" everyone.

>>130184001
Would you prevent migration to ancap areas then?

Or limit the potential land they can use heavily?

>>130184996
Would you answer if I changed my flag then?

It seems like you're taking the escapegoat of pretending that I'm not an anarcho capitalist instead of answering fucking simple questions.

The problem with your argument is that you're not engaging in discourse, you are not using objective true arguments, therefore you're rejecting a conflict-free approach and denying self-ownership.

>>130185979
Muslims don't sell 9 year old kids as Brides???
Your okay with Muslims in your country fucking 10 year olds?

>>130185987
>It seems like you're taking the escapegoat of pretending that I'm not an anarcho capitalist instead of answering fucking simple questions.

It only seems that way because trolls, including yourself, are derailing the thread because I'm making mincemeat of national socialism and misrepresentations of market anarchism.

Try harder, fgt.

>>130186286
Did you ever state your age of consent?
And don't say when 100% of children are capable of consent you gotta give a an age
otherwise no one will be able to enforce it because it has nothing to judge it by. Your welcome to say you don't know because it's too complex and dodge the question though

>>130162703

AnCaps and Fascists are going to be fully opposed to each other some day but now is far from the time.

Regardless of their differences, they are both meritocratic and opposed to the current powers that be.

>>130186286
>Age of consent is morally objective
>Why
>durr hurr stop derailing the thread

You're not fooling anyone.

>Argumentation is a conflict-free way of interacting. Not in the sense that there is always agreement on the things said, but in the sense that as long as argumentation is in progress it is always possible to agree at least on the fact that there is disagreement about the validity of what has been said. And this is to say nothing else than that a mutual recognition of each person's exclusive control over his own body must be presupposed as long as there is argumentation (note again, that it is impossible to deny this and claim this denial to be true without implicitly having to admit its truth).

You're denying self ownership of societies that impose a different age of consent than the one you consider morally objective by not engaging in debate and accepting the disagreement. Congrats, you're a commie in the making.

>>130162703
The underlying ideologies are inherently irreconcileable, because they place different principles as the most valuable thing in society. You might as well ask why AnCaps and Marxists have an alliance, or Marxists and Fascists. The only reason AnCaps and Fascists are closer together right now is because of the clear and present threat Marxism poses right now.

>>130185979
> Kids belong to their parents

no they dont. they belogn to themselves.

>>130162703
what if I kicked you in the dick!

>>130187647
that ywould violate the nap

>>130163158

THIS.

I sympathize with some AnCap stuff but I don't think its realistic on a large scale.

>>130162703
Alliance between caps and natSOC? No you socialist bastard

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>>130162936
uh... we're new in the universe m8, actually, ancap as a concept isn't too old boi

>>130187776
>>130187647
But what if dik was not kill?

>>130162703
Why is the fascist symbol a faggot wrapped around an axe?

>>130186142
>Implying Muslims would even migrate to Western Countries without the massive amount of welfare in those countries

Why do Nazi's always think of the most radical solution to easy problems?

>>130188184
i dont understand what you are trying to imply.

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>Mfw we got our own Anarchy lads
Match made, Antifa

>>130186142
What part about stop caring about mudshit children didn't you understand? And yes I do care about muslims coming to my country because their assbackwards retarded religion/ideology is a natural NAP violator and I personally believe all shitskins should be shot on sight, I would either move to a community where that's the law or try to make it so mine becomes like that. Are you some kind of civic national socialist that doesn't want an ethno state?

>>130187629
They do, try "liberating" a 5 year old and see how well it does in life. Doesn't mean you have to accept people who prostitute or beat their children in you community does it?

>>130188277
There are currently 3 million Muslims in the United states. One of these would form a self sufficient farming community, or receive funding from other outside Muslims countries like how Saudi offered to build the mosques in Germany

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>>130163693
Because there's more to this world than materialism we'll care to keep you out of our sight

Evil shall perish

>>130162703
because ancaps are dirty jewish shills

>>130162703
Facism is opposite of anarchy.

>>130188378
see
>>130188465

>>130162703
What do you think the Swiss had going on during WW2 with "Muh Neutrality, I just want to trade with everyone, okay?"?

>>130188566
>not wanting ancap as a weapon to defeat antifa

>>130186753
>>130186903

>children are capable of consent

Children are incapable of informed consent. That is what makes them children. Nice try.

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>>130162703
That's a fucking terrible idea.
Fascists stand for telling other people how to live their lives. Especially with conscription
Facists don't respect property rights and seize the property of groups that are no longer in favor of the state.
They favor an expansion of the state military and military intervention

>>130188465
What part of "no one gives a shit" don't you understand? The problem with Nazis is that they are constantly offended by the actions and presence of people that they shouldn't give a shit about.

>>130188970
Yeah I know that so what age can a teenager or young adult consent?

And don't say when 100% of children are capable of consent you gotta give a an age
otherwise no one will be able to enforce it because it has nothing to go by. Your welcome to say you don't know because it's too complex and dodge the question.

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>mfw every argument against ancap is 'muh jew boogeyman'

>>130162703
for what its worth, i do not agree with fascists or natsoc, but i'll gladly work with them to stop the left and the mudslimes

>>130189168
You've got other problems, but at least you're in the right camp.

>>130188999
So if a Black/Hispanic Muslim farming community is in California you are fine with it because you don't care.

Taking into note there are three million Muslims in the United states as we speak

>>130169589
Now you're just arguing that competition is bad commie

>>130189388
it is if they mass hire non whites. I forgot ancap is actually more like civicancap

>>130162703
because the state is inherently oppressive, and when one of the two groups realizes this, and the other doesn't and masturbates to the thought of the government telling him how to think, they won't play nice.

>>130162865
>ancap
>state
the city of fashniggers

Fascism is inherently and fundamentally opposed to capitalism. You cannot be fascist and pro-capitalism, a "capitalist fascist" is the same as a "communist fascist".

>>130188999
even if i agree with
>The problem with Nazis is that they are constantly offended by the actions and presence of people that they shouldn't give a shit about.

muslims are a threat to us since their ideology si incompatible with the nap and they view us as subhumans.

>>130188465
>>130188598
What part about physical removal of NAP breaking people do you not understand? Trying to install sharia law is breaking the NAP and if you oppose sharia you're not muslim.

>>130189379
Why do you care then?

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>>130164259
Busts on:
Flag posters
Larping Faggots
pleddit
Yet his post is:
Meme flagged
Nazi larper
reddit spaced

>>130173205
You're literally arguing against competition commie

No, because I'm not a racist piece of shit.

>>130189641
A community which agrees to follow Shria law and not jihad the fuck out of other communites is not breaking any naps.

If you choose to live in a town of rapists where all the homeowners have agreed that rape is fine in their community just not against outsiders you are consenting to being raped. The same with shria law in this case.

>>130189652
I don't care because they wouldn't be in my fascist country I'm asking your the ancap here

>>130189835
Fascists are not racist. You're thinking of national socialists and falangists.

Fascism is based around the principle of "strength through unity". Racists divide people, any racist in a multiracial country is an anti-fascist because they work directly against unity.

http://aryanism.net/politics/national-socialism-and-fascism/

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>>130162703
>AnCaps
>Facists

maybe related pic is something for OP

>>130189719
degenerate shit
>competition

gays are fine in ancap most gays aren't actually hideous aids infected faggot but just sexual deviants who vote left like retards. If your gay in ancap that is totally fine as long as you realize someone can refuse you service. (Most won't) especially big companies because it makes you more money

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Some of my closest friends are libertarians. All though I disagree on many points with them I recognize that we are better off together.

>>130189891
>If you choose to live in a town of rapists where all the homeowners have agreed that rape is fine in their community just not against outsiders you are consenting to being raped. The same with shria law in this case.

This is totally true by any libertarian point of view.

>>130189638
True, but there is an easy solution. Cut the welfare state, and they have less of a reason to move in. There's no need to use force to exile/kill all the Muslims when enacting more libertarian policies accomplishes the same thing, while solving all the other problems in the process.

>>130189891
I don't care if they form their own community here and don't bother anyone. You seem to care a lot, given how often you cite the stats.

>>130189158
>I know that so what age can a teenager or young adult consent?

The lowest defensible minimum would have to be 13, but even that seems too low. I'm more comfortable with 16. However, this is also mitigated by the capacity for informed consent. It would seem to me that a 13 year old may not entirely understand the power regarding sexual dynamics with a much older person. Therefore, such an arrangement would still be illegal. Teens are going to experiment and there is no need to legal penalize them for doing so. However, it is important to protect them in those cases where they are unable of understanding what they are truly getting themselves into.

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>>130173205
>if I don't like it no one can have it

>>130190003
Out of curiosity, how accurate would you say it is that fascists place fraternity as the highest principle in society?

>>130189891
sharia law binds a newborn who cant give consent to it into following it, which violates the nap.


you cannot be raped if you consent to it.

>>130190279
Not even a libertarian point of view. Any rational, reasonable person understands that if you move into an community you are (at least implicitly) consenting to the rules of that community.

>>130190353
maybe a in addition to a physical consent (puberty) there should also be a psychologically consent?

>>130163158
we don't even want that, we just want to have happy traditional lives on our terms

>>130190294
I don't care I'm just pointing out ancap is fine with a Muslim community within their own borders operating off shria law

>>130190750
>psychologically consent?

Yes, that's is what *informed* consent is. This is all part of the NAP. You have to sufficiently understand what you're getting yourself into.

>>130190561
>you cannot be raped if you consent to it.

to understand what i want to say: in that town every person would have given consent that they can be touched in any way by another person at any time. and if they agree on that, they aent being raped.

>>130190431
Very accurate. Rome, the best example of successful fascism, was an immensely fraternal society. They went so far as to give citizenship to foreigners in exchange for military service and loyalty to the fraternity.

>>130189891
I don't know what part of islam says this but "jihading" the fuck out of people is ingrained on muslim culture and again, people who don't support sharia or jihad are not muslim and I don't give a single fuck if they like to rape each other and sell their kids to their neighbor as long as they stay away from me and my community. I urge you to stop being such a low IQ brainlet and start thinking about your arguments before you spout more dumb rhetoric.

>>130190916
Thank you. We know that we are fine with that. Please pay attention.
>>130190279
>>130190581

>>130190561
A child is under the protection of a parent, and children cannot consent.
Alright a change to rape town

No outsiders can be raped and no children, once you reach a age ancap can never agree on you can be raped though. After you reach adult hood if you continue to live in the town you are open to being raped.

Same with shria law once you reach adulthood you must follow the laws of shria or leave these laws will not apply until you are an adult or able to consent at what age 10,12,13,14,18 ancap can never agree on

>>130190916
>ancap is fine with a Muslim community within their own borders operating off shria law

If sharia law in any way violates the NAP, then ancaps are not ok with it.

>>130162703
Because bootlickers are detrimental and need to be physically removed

>>130191339
now we are not fine with that because sharia law binds newborns into following ti who cant give consent to it. sharia law can only be followed by adults, the child of these adults need to be able not to follow it, which is currently not the case, since islam doesnt allow to leave it.

>>130191377
see the post above it

>>130191100
I thought so. It's interesting that you can ascribe the three modern ideological camps to the values of the French Revolution (liberty, equality, and fraternity).

>>130191588
parents own the kids and sign on their behalf as long as they are minors
also signing yourself into slavery in perpetuity does not violate the nap
i dont see a problem

>>130191588
By that logic we need to completely eradicate Islam. There is no state in an ancap society, so there's nothing to make a Sharia community in the North American Continent that keeps to itself any different from a Sharia community in the middle east that keeps to itself.

Shouldn't externally forcing the NAP on a community keeping to itself violate the NAP?

>>130191359
Anarchy doesn't not have laws. Idk what ancaps you talk to, but in an AnCap society all rape and abuse issues would be dealt with on a case by casebook basis by the families involved. If a grown Man wants to rape his daughter and nobody stops him, it's a small price to pay for the reward of no authoritarian Jew state breathing down your neck and starting wars in your name.

>>130191608

Well, different people are going to have different outlooks on the topic, but that doesn't make them any less wrong if sharia law violates the NAP. Any society may manifest itself *so long as it doesn't violate the natural law (which includes the NAP).* If there is a form of sharia law that was modified to conform with natural law, then libertards have no legal balk.

Regardless, just because something may be legally permissible doesn't mean that it can't be criticized on other grounds.

>>130191588
That's far too extreme of a NAP violation. That's like setting a rule as a parent that stealing is bad. The children can't consent to this setting of rules, therefore setting the rule violates the NAP.

>>130191359
its linguistically impossible to agree on being raped,
at onr point you either agree that other people can touch you at any time whereever they want at any place or you will ahve to leave the "community".

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>>130162703
OP had never heard of Helicopter rides

>>130192123
To be charitable, I imagine what he means is that you are consenting to live in a society where you can't do anything about being raped.

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>>130164228
>perfect socialism
o im laffin

>>130191980
>>130191997
Sure but each community would have it's own "laws" and by living in shria town you agree to abide by shria laws. It's voluntary because you can fuck off to another town or lie in a hole and die. No naps are broken you agree you get stoned in the head if you cheat though

>>130192123
I was using a bad allegory for Shria law

Because Fascism is all about the total supremacy of the state while AnCaps despise the state? /pol/ can be seriously retarded sometimes, the amount of mental gymnastics required to propose a Fascist/AnCap "ideological alliance" (which is a stupid idea in the first place) dumbfounds me.

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>>130191980
>Anarchy doesn't not have laws. Idk what ancaps you talk to, but in an AnCap society all rape and abuse issues would be dealt with on a case by casebook basis by the families involved. If a grown Man wants to rape his daughter and nobody stops him, it's a small price to pay for the reward of no authoritarian Jew state breathing down your neck and starting wars in your name.

If market justice were able to manifest itself without being stamped out by the state before it can flourish, it would perform its duty more efficiently than the state allegedly can do it now.

You would have less rape, not more.

>>130191956
>By that logic we need to completely eradicate Islam
i agree on that. or it needs to severly reform itself.

>why don't people who hate police states and government interference in the free market ally with people who love police states and government interference in the free market?

this thread is dumb, and you should all be ashamed for contributing to it, myself included.

>>130191858
>parents own the kids

i dotn agree on that but if they do, they shouldnt be allowed to do with them what thesy want.

Asking for an alliance between National *Socialist* and Anarcho-*Capitalism*?
Anyways, Ancap for life.

>>130192473
>Sure but each community would have it's own "laws" and by living in shria town you agree to abide by shria laws.

Well, it doesn't quite work that way. Land ownership would help determine which laws held sway in a given area. Private parties would have allodial title to their own land. Our legal order is far more dynamic than that what you suggest.

>>130192643
The fact that both our ideologies belong to the same strand of politics is stupid in all honesty. The right/left dichotomy is meaningless. All that is similar of Fascism and AnCapism is a vague anti-egalitarianism but it isn't even the same kind of anti-egalitarianism. Yours is an economic anti-egalitarianism while ours a national/racial/cultural.

>>130192917

See
>>130176081

>>130192595
>less rape not more
Wholly unsupported bullshit assertion.
As we have already seen above, even ancaps cant agree on basic qns like age of consent. No neighbour would put his life at risk to deprive a grown man of claiming the virginity of a little girl.

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Since this thread is already here I want to know how Libertarianism and NatSoc/Ethic Nationalism can be reconciled.

I love having a government that would encourage and protect the existence of whites and traditional values but at the same time I want it to fuck off out of people's business.

>>130192931
But if a community fundamentally agreed with shria law it would have to be followed by all but children

>>130193058
>Yours is an economic anti-egalitarianism

Bullshit, ours is entirely egalitarian. That's the whole point.

>>130193233
That actually is natsoc you are free to own and run a business as long as it doesn't harm the state or society.

We can't be reconciled we're allies because antifa and shills want us both dead, otherwise we would be enemies

>>130193058
Marxist Equality.
Is.
Not.
Egalitarianism.

>>130193182

See

>>130192931

You're not used to how law works in market anarchy. It takes a far less distance to travel to avoid where there is bad law. Not only that, but it is legitimate for everyone to force their will upon those who exercise such so called "law."

>>130193348
Simply false. Grand class divides would undoubtedly arise as rich families afford to prepare their future generations to be rich themselves. I'm not saying egalitarianism is an inherently valuable doctrine, this isn't a criticism on AnCapism (trust me I have would plenty more to say if it were) but you cannot delude yourself in so as to say that the theory of the AnCap ideology is egalitarian.

>>130193233
>I love having a government that would encourage and protect the existence of whites and traditional values but at the same time I want it to fuck off out of people's business.

you woudl eb allowed to self segregate and live voluntary with other traditional white. if you own land, you could eclude nonwhites from that land.

>>130193713
>Grand class divides would undoubtedly arise as rich families afford to prepare their future generations to be rich themselves.
That isn't anti-egalitarian you dumb shit.

>>130193434
That depends on how you view the definition
>Egalitarian definition
believing in or based on the principle that all people are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities.

Many Left libertarians view massive amounts of corporate control as still not being equal since there is inadequate wealth redistribution and if you get a shitter education that's not really fair according to their views. I don't need to explain how the right views that

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>>130193264
>community fundamentally agreed

That all depends on how parties enter into a contract. It's tough to see how someone who is simply born into and grows up in a society agrees to the terms of such an arrangement.

>>130162936
I agree.

>>130193788
Well, it is. It literally means people are born in to different socio-economic conditions on birth and so it is anti-egalitarian in the sense that not everybody will have the same starting point in life. Please debate civilly too or else I won't respond to you next time.

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>>130162703
Libertarians and Fascists have an alliance, buddy

Fascists can be in favor of a small efficient government that is run with low tax. Libertarians are minarchists who understand there's a small role for the government (police, military, firefighting, etc). We can easily find common ground.

AnCaps on the other hand are sperglords who unironically think anarchy is a smart system for society to run with...

>>130193846
That's why in the this hypothetical Muslim town children wouldn't be liable to shria law until they were at an age of consent. In which case they could voluntary leave or get their own property somewhere and make their own rules

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>>130193713
>Grand class divides would undoubtedly arise as rich families afford to prepare their future generations to be rich themselves.

There are only two classes, the productive class and the parasite class. Parasites are those who exploit the productive class. So long as we eliminate the parasite class, the productive class has no arbitrary obstacles to entry with regard to opportunities. Nobody is saying that everyone will have the same amount of everything, but with such limitless opportunity, everyone has a chance to strike it rich.

>>130193233
Youre looking for a benelovent dictatorship. A powerful ruler who punishes opponents and benefits you. But of course no one leader's policies will match yours 100%. Short of being dictator yourself...

>>130193832
Only utter ideologues could think you can get a 100% perfect equality of opportunity. The thing we're both opposed to is EQUITY, which is equality of OUTCOME, which is the thing Marxists want. The issue is blurred when it comes to inheritance, because in that situation someone's outcome is another's opportunity. In that situation, anyone in the traditional liberal camp leans more towards the difference, because they believe in people's right to the money they make, while the Marxists lean towards equity because they'll happily toss that right if it means a greater level of equity.

>>130194398
I don't think that. That's why the libertarian left is a walking contradiction

>>130194150
>(police, military, firefighting, etc)

its military and justice. and maybe police. fire figthting should definetly be private

>>130194191

They could also rent from those who don't subscribe to sharia law in that town, but happen to be land owners.

>>130193637
>You're not used to how law works in market anarchy.
No shit, sherlock. Your legal system is made up on the fly and all ancaps cant agree.

>ppl are free to make war if they disagree with the law youre practicing on your own land
... you call this a legal system?? Its literally might makes right.