Swastikas /pol/... Are the Orthodox Christians really most redpilled?

>>130132906
Christianity is a desert pagan religion from Jew niggers.

>>130132906
>that 4 leaf clover

>>130134079
This, if anything, Orthodoxes are the most jew looking of them all

Yes, the only religion that's worth something, and the only one that still hates the joo AND the mudshit

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>>130132906
Interesting read:
The swastika comes from the way that the big dipper circles around the north star every year.
http://modernconstellations.com/allerleiumasvast.html

>>130132906
Yes they are. Only fedora-pagans will disagree throwing out "muh jews" "kike on a stick" type arguments

>>130134456
really?

I mean the idea is good, and it stays true to "muh faith". Remember that the main split was basically not allowing people to buy their way into heaven by donating to church.

>>130135261
Mostly it was the pope declaring himself leader of all Christianity and infallible.
The bible teaches that no mortal is without sin, how can he be infallible?

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kek

>>130135505
>infallible.

Its been close to 1,000 years and people still think the ex Cathadrea means the pope is perfect in everything when all it means is that as the descendant from Peter the Pope when making declarations regarding dogma is prevented from making errors.

Such declarations are so rare that there have only been less then 10 ever made.

>>130132906
Yes

>>130135261
i naši popovi su lopovi

>>130136379
meme magic

>Semitic religion
>redpilled
pic one and only one

>>130132906
>Xtians
>redpilled

pick one

i really want a kolovrat tattoo

t. bosnjo diasporovic

>>130135261
not true retard, that came later

it was mostly politics, with dogma being second as an excuse
top dogs in churches are thieves and politicians who give fuck all about god or anything

pure jewery

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>>130132906


Swastikas /pol/... Are the Nigger Christians really most redpilled?

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>>130134456
>>130135124

this is in fact, complete misinformation.

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>>130136379
The prophecy is true

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Really Makes You Think

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Are the Niggers really most redpilled?

Can we all just agree Christianity as an institution has failed? I'm Christian but I've had to leave 3 denominations(Episcopal->Anglican->Southern Baptist->Nondenom/Ethnic-Christian because of the blatant sinfulness and moral failings of the higher group.

No wars for Israel. Gays and Heretics belong in Hellfire.

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>>130132906
Swastika was a traditional Russian symbol untill that fag Hitler spoiled it. It was even used in the Soviet Union and Red Army.

>>130136379
yoooooooooooooooo

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Whites BTFO!!!!

Swastika is OUR sacred symbol

>>130132906

on traditional ukrainian painted easter eggs the swastika represented a windmill.

russians dug into ice in antarcitca, cant remember how deep, but they found a golden swastika buried under the ice.. article was removed quite quickly from the net

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>>130136527
Please provide a complete, unquestionable list of infallible statements. (You can't because one doesn't exist. Ex cathedra is a myth and no one can even agree how many times it has been invoked, from twice to dozens of times.)

Orthodoxy is the only true church which could be proven in court with admissible evidence.

>>130136379
I love orthodoxy now

>>130138697
Recessive genes and no ability to be creative. How can whitebois survive the next 2,000 years?

>>130138697
Lmao! Stupid fuckin niggers.

We had swastikas in our culture before nazis as well except we call it the "cross of fire" or "firecross" or whatever (ugunskrusts).

It's an indo-european thing.

>>130132906
Orthodoxy is the most caveman-tier of all christian religions.
Also, that's necessarily the nazi swastika. It could be the ancient pole symbol.
But why the the left one is oriented differently?

>>130135261
This is false

>>130137642
Non of those denominations are christian and are actually anti christian. You may be a christian but you are an apostate and to be reconciled with christ you must join the one catholic and apostolic church

>>130142655
Read the dogmas of the catholic church. They are all ex cathedra.

Your theology is heterodox and you are larping as an orthodox. Orthodox accept that rome is part of the one true church.

>>130132906
The swastika is an ancient symbol that's been used in countless religions, if anything orthodox Christians are simply uncucked.

>>130137256
Could you explain why?

>>130143136
You have recessive genes bro not whites. Health problems can easily be traced to age or diet and isn't recessive a term for somebody with Down syndrome?

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SWASTIKA COMES FROM MANY CIVILIZATIONS AS SIMBOL OF THE SUN.

HOLY FUCK WHY ARE YOU SO UNEDUCATED, I READ ON THAT SHIT BACK IN 3RD GRADE.

>>130144437
take an actual sky map and look at it dumbufck

>>130144676
If you refute someone's claim, it's not my responsibility to verify your refutation for you.

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>>130144725

>>130136379
Now finally do you understand.

>>130136379
Russian priests confirmed as meme magicians

The truth is that the swastika is one of the most simple symbols you can think of.

You got a straight line. The most simple thing you can have.
Then a 90° turn, people love 90° turns.
Then you give the whole thing a symmetry, why not a rotational symmetry? You try out if you want to make it 3 or 4 or 5 arms and you see that 4 just looks the best, because then you have 90° turns between the arms again. Simple!
Boom swastika. Comes up all the time and you sometimes have to try hard not end up creating swastikas by accident when designing stuff.

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>>130132906
>of course we are

>>130132906
There is also a swastika in a catholic church in my city.
Nothing surprising.

>>130145102
sun + sunrays
people worshipping the sun for good crops, good weather and etc.

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>>130143917
>pole symbol.

>>130132906
Wow, they have the 4chan logo too

>>130145543
Top kek

>>130142655
>Orthodoxy is the only true church which could be proven in court with admissible evidence.

Its funny that the Orthodox believe that that the Holy Spirit ensured that that first Councils were infallible when it came to Dogma yet find the idea of the Holy Spirit ensuring one man is with respect to Dogma

>>130146959
Wut

>>130147261
Orthodox have their own version of infallibility (although they avoid using that word to distinguish themselves) however they attach it to the consensus that comes from their Bishops.

>>130132906
>swastikas
>4 leaf clover, which is also the logo of 4chan

Orthodox Christianity confirmed as the true faith. Praise Christ!

>>130147261
Here is a good discussion of it

http://shamelesspopery.com/orthodox-and-protestant-infallibility-problem/

>>130147453
what word do we use then?

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>>130136379
meme magic

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>>130132906
>There are still people who think the nazis invented the swastika

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svasticas are an important piece of the indio-european culture.
here an example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camunian_rose

>>130147631
I cant remember off the top of my head however the concept of humans not being able to err with respect to dogma due to Divine intervention is played out with the approach to certain Ecumenical Councils.

That link I posted has a short discussion on it

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>>130132906
OP you're a fag

GUISE there's been a pro-Orthodox uprising on /pol/ the last weeks or so, this is cancer ti kikes who hate it most than other Christianities since it openly says fuck the kikes .

>Prepare to see many 'Is Orthodox based' threads where kikes will pose as stormfags saying Orthodoxy is a jew thing and stay away etc , Jesus Christ is a kike on a stics etc. The fact those faggot OP (he's a kike obv.) posted swastikas are from the ~1500's obviously couldn't arrest his kike psychosis on teh swastika in general cause he's a kike.

>>130132906
FU, look at pic, he is your tormentor and we believe in HIM, not you . Prepare for kikes to larp as both incompetent Orthodox and hardcore pagans to steer the discussion AWAY from Orthodoxy , that buggers them in the ass, far greatly than any other faith.

Bonus point if you're thinking to join us, converts have undiluted faith.

>>130136379
The holy Spirit inspired the tailor so that 600 years later the 4chan quadrifoglio would appear along with swastikas and the Christogram ICXC.

Someone doesn't like you kikes.

>>130132906
Swastikas are found in literally every Eurasian culture, and even some African and Native American ones. As another anon said its a symbol of the sun, literally how do you not know that,

Btw Orthodox cucking on /pol/ is cancer. Its literally the most oriental, least European form of Christianity (of course, all Christianity is ultimately oriental, Orthodoxy more so though). It straddles East Africa, the Middle East and the some of the less racially pure parts of Southern and Eastern Europe in its range. Also;

>being Orthodox, especially converting if you're from Western Europe or America

>being a Nazi

Fucking pick one faggot. The Orthodox church wouldn't exist today if Germany had won.

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>>130134079
Gift gas for anon

>>130151802
nice try kike larper under the swastika
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>being Orthodox, especially converting if you're from Western Europe or America

>being a Nazi

Germany lost, you are confounding your own stupid kike heritage with others , JUDAISM wouldn't exit if Germany had won.

You are scared because what's worse than a stout nationalist is stout nationalist with unshakeable faith in God would doesn't buy into PC shit one bit. Got to be really freaky to you kikes and for good reason , you'll end up BTFO.

>Godspeed.
check that for good measure : >>130149005

>>130147627
Good article! I always questioned the orthodox perspective on ecumenism. They claim things have to be ecumenical to become dogma but they don't actually know what ecumenical means. What about when Athenasius alone debated all the arian bishops in council. Orthodox say athanasius won but that they contradicts their view of ecumenism for it only takes one bishop to disprove all the others therefore ecumenism is irrelevant and only truth matters. Orthodox theology does not doubt roman theology and even agrees with it. They just don't like that rome instituted true dogma without ecumenism despite not knowing what ecumenism and the decision process for dogma is.

One thing that the church in the first millenium had in common when it came to dogma is that the bishops did look to the seat of peter to settle debates and affirm the dogma. Yet by refusing the authority of the protos they have stagnated and been unable to define new dogma for the past 1000 years.

>>130147631
From my studies orthodox tend to use weasel words in order to reject roman dogma doctrine and authority. "Primacy of honour" being one such case.

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>>130152813
nonsense, your greatest mistake (or lie) is this

>Orthodox theology does not doubt roman theology and even agrees with it

Nope catholicism is heresy in Orthodoxy, and for good reason, it altered iteself all the way from the filioque up to Vatican II . There is no agreement at all with all this fantastic crap.

>>130152906
I wouldn't go so far as to say Orthodox Theology agrees with Catholic Theology there are a great deal of similarities and areas where the outcome is the same but the reasoning is different.

One nasty part I find is that despite its heritage you will often get arguments from Orthodox which could have come out of the mouth of KJV only protestants or the Chick Tracts.

Heres an article where you see them thinking Saint Francis of Assisi was a fanatic who received powers from Satan because:

1. His experience with God did not follow the guidlines in the Philokalia

2. they think that only members of their Church can have a relationship with Christ or receive the powers of the Holy Spirit.

http://orthodoxinfo.com/praxis/francis_sarov.aspx

>>130154424
You wouldn't go so far except it's what you wrote. There are no similarities. There's a common past and that's it. You get some KJV only quotes because like catholicism, that is a corrupt institution still gets a few saints because of their own fervor in God, by merit, likewise the KJV-only guys also figure out a few things, a good example is Billy Graham's accurate visions of the future , same with Orthodox Elders and Starets hesychasts.

Saint Francis of Assisi, he saw light , I understood immediately where is controversy . It's called the Aktiston Phos and it's very touchy because according to monks on Mt. Athos there is a satanic inspiration they have seen sometimes mimicking it, with the distinction beeing it has a rosy hue.

That article you posted doesn't look correct to me, The number one thing Orthodox elders do is have absolute disdaign for their body and their pride with great suffering (metanoetic) and great humor sometimes (like collapsing after a few hours and saying, 'but why ?? I had just begun'), that doesn't contradict Assisi. The article does . It's not a good source.

>>130153224
Funny you mention the filioque and vatican 2, as this shows you are probably larping as an orthodox and spewing the same old tired orthodox arguments.

Filioque IS a part of orthodox theology. The holy spirit does also proceed from the son. This is a fact that orthodox accept which you would realise if you studied orthodox theology. The only thing the orthodox don't accept is rome allowing filioque to be said in the creed and they say an ecumenical council is required to add it to the creed which i understand. Interestingly the orthodox ARE sympathetic to the filioque as the filioque arose due to a particular form of arianism originating from spain which is why rome included it to really combat this heresy.

As for vatican 2, well the orthodox have been doing vatican 2 for a thousand years. Autocephaly and local use of liturgy allowing translation to local language is the crux of vatican 2. Rome is merely catching up to a great innovation of the orthodox church in allowing local languages to be used in the liturgy as well as the universal language of the roman see (latin).

Please stop larping as an orthodox and study the theology you claim to defend

>>130156379
>Filioque IS a part of orthodox theology. The holy spirit does also proceed from the son.

Lies

>As for vatican 2, well the orthodox have been doing vatican 2 for a thousand years.

Idem

You're a kike larping as a catholic crusader . Pathetic but expected.

>>130155934
How can the papacy be corrupt when jesus said the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church upon which peter is the rock? Was jesus lying to peter?

>>130156607
>no counter argument just accusations of lies

I suggest you read the Eastern Orthodox Bible EOB. It has great apologetics essays in it on orthodox theology and explains why the filioque is a part of orthodox theology.

Other than that please explain how the filioque and vatican 2 violate orthodox theology

>>130132906
Swastikas and swastika-like geometries appear on almost every continent (really, it's not hard to draw). These have nothing to do with Nazism.
>>130144653
This.
Across the word, swastikas have represented many things (mostly positive), including but not limited to: strength, purity, courage, healing, righteousness, power, holiness, magic, the triumph of good over evil, and the banishing of darkness. Don't buy into the Jewish lies that all Swastikas are related to Nazism: they just get triggered when they see them (not unlike how vampires are repelled by the sight of crosses).

>>130155934
>There are no similarities
The similarities go far beyond accidental just look at the position on apostolic authority, the sacrements and the real presence alone.

>that is a corrupt institution still gets a few saints because of their own fervor in God,

Orthodox don't believe Catholics have legitimate saints post schism

> You get some KJV only quotes because like Catholicism, that is a corrupt institution

Talking as if the Pope is the Antichrist and the Catholic Church is the whore of Bablyon goes beyond criticism of its structure in practice.

You wont see Catholics calling the Orthodox Satantic because of the corruption of the Orthodox Church in Eastern Europe.

>It's not a good source.

Well the latter article is written by a Bishop and first is quite well cited. What grounds are there to reject it in favour of your interpretation?

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Protestantism and Catholicism are so overwhelmingly cucked these days, I don't see any alternative.

Some branches of Protestantism are still legit, but the liberal ones are worse than the Catholics, totally on the SJW, aid to Africa agenda.

And essentially, the only really based Protestants left are here in the US. Doubtlessly, Western Europeans are less religious than Americans on average because their churches don't mean anything or stand for anything anymore.

Liberal Christianity is basically secular post-modernism with a veneer of "But Jesus loves you!" and community gatherings/social events.

>>130157413
>I don't see any alternative.

How about following the truth instead of what aligns with your views on nationalism and race?

>>130156692
>>130156953
>>130157331

youve been caught lying 3 times, how many more ?

severaly by reading your nonsense , very quicly and from bottom up
What grounds are there to reject it in favour of your interpretation> enough experience to understand what's being meant

corruption of the Orthodox Church in Eastern Europe > not corrupted

Orthodox don't believe Catholics have legitimate saints post schism >urecognized church anymore but I can see a miracle as one

position on apostolic authority, the sacrements and the real presence alone>pre schism

>>130158002
What do you know about truth after using 3 times a lie as a device.

Orthodoxy kike, funny how YOU doing their conversion.

>>130158538
oh theres more , Peter's Church ... hm , you do know he sat in Antioch for 2 years beforrrrrre Rome? Theres more but stick to that.

>I suggest you not tell me read a bible that covers your infamy

>>130158538
Are you confusing me with another anon?

>enough experience to understand what's being meant

"My opinion is worth more than a Bishops and a well cited article because I think you are a Kike"

Im genuinely open to this article being proved wrong but you havent given any reason beyond I should take you at your word.

>corruption of the Orthodox Church in Eastern Europe > not corrupted

You mean dogma wise or politically?

>Orthodox don't believe Catholics have legitimate saints post schism >urecognized church anymore but I can see a miracle as one

Your formatting is a bit unclear here are you saying that a church who you believe has no with no valid sacraments, rejected Christ and the apostolic tradition still receives the power of the Holy Spirit?

>position on apostolic authority, the sacrements and the real presence alone>pre schism

I dont see your point here you are hand waving huge similarities simply on the ground they existed prior to 1054?

>>130158538
Are you accusing me of lying? Again i ask you how do the filioque and vatican 2 contradict orthodox theology?

In fact show me any contradiction in orthodox and roman theology.

>>130159726
yes iam sorry

>>130159893
No worries the flags can distract from the user IDs

>>130132906
Eastern Orthodoxy originated in Byzantine that drew a lot from the nearby Hindu culture

>>130158789
Peter did indeed ordain the patriarch of antioch however he passed on his authority as the protos only to Bishop Linus at rome. This is agreed by orthodox and catholic theology. You are using weasel words to try and dispute established catholic and orthodox theology. The orthodox do not doubt that rome holds the position of protos. The only issue is that in the 2nd millenium they started to deny of the ontology of the position of protos trying to relabel it as merely administrative and then using all kinds of weasel words and alternative contradictory arguments to diminish the role of the pope to justify their schism.

>>130160137
What meme is this?

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>>130160034
thank you
>>130159791
you will never understand because you have a presently rotten mind , show me where it says orthodoxy said yes to filioque and vatican 2 ... but no wait it's what it does the theology ! well thelogy in cath. is an argument, in Orthodoxy it is a discovery without extrapolation , help yourself to the internet and see where it rejects the filioque as heresy, it's the initial 1054 heresy ,the filioque , even Orthodox babies know that .

(In fact show me any contradiction in orthodox and roman theology) You're thick mane, You're stuck that we equal, we're not. It's hard to be on the losing side. It happens but it happened to your church. It's like when you have two sons and one became a fag and the other one stayed a boy and became a man. The fag will say but we're kin but will have nothing to do with his brother.

All this 'weasel word' redundancy is in your mind, the break is complete what Peter gave to Rome was before Rome turned into a fucking circus, you put him to shame.

>Rome holds absolutely no importance after it started perverting the scripture, the dogma, and the function of the Church. Your ignorance (or rather you catechism shows when you do as many catholics do and mislabel Orthodox schismatics.

YOU broke out with the past, not the other way around. This is so crucial it disgusts me to hear it and much of your points cause they're all excuses and lies t o justify the papacy's choices as self-illuminated, which were all political in nature
>that's called hypocrisy

. And if you really want the proof use your eyeballs and READ .

>>130161891
Read the Eastern Orthodox Bible's essay on the filioque. This is a bible sanctioned by the orthodox church of america and the authoritative english version. You will see that Orthodox theology agrees with the filioque just not its use in the creed. As for vatican 2, go to any non greek autocephalous church like the in the russian patriarchate. There you will see russian not greek liturgy. Vatican 2 merely allowed what orthodox have been doing for a thousand years. Again i ask you how does the filioque and vatican 2 contradict orthodox theology. I doubt you will be able to answer though seeing as you do not know what orthodox theology is and you subscribe to some form of heterodox theology that contradicts eastern orthodoxy.

So are you saying the roman patriarchate is corrupt and not part of the church? Do you think jesus was lying when he told peter that the gates of hell will not prevail against the church built on peter?

Again i don't think you are even orthodox but are just larping as you completely go against established orthodox theology.

>>130147773
This needs to be its own new meme.

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>>130132906
Another Orthodox vestments worn by priest also with swastikas and clovers.

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>>130165744
>headless corpse just standing up
Orthodox Magick is top-tier

>>130163813
I'm not from the Orthodox Church in America , I had a look at what you say and you know what ? It's bullshit . You just need a technicality to say you are right , perhaps the words 'from the Father alone' and 'double procession' have no meaning to your deaf ears. You can just invent theology as you go but the procession is clear, it's single . To make a switch in the hypostatic union for the filioque as the vaticans main mean to creat a rift will not be forgiven becasue it's why it made that change . To break off.
>On your way then.

Vatican II is the end of Christianity as it accepts all other religions ' nuff said .

Don't forget that the papcy can only redeem itself if it rejects all its filth and mends the gap. Any other way would'nt be correct. This is lost in your sect becasue it doesn't focus on right or wrong but on the doable.
>cue pope washing muslims feet . NO

The rift won't close because it will break the Vatican to say ugh look folks, we fuct up a long time ago we invent a lot of new crap and now we must rescind it all haha , nothing to see here . And will be destroyed as it already is, a worthless bureacracy.

Unless you do that . OUT

>>130136379
>>130165744
So orthodoxy is an official religion of 4chan now?

>>130138697
WE WUZ SWAZTIKAZ N SHIET

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>>130166517

>>130166517
Yes. They are most redpilled.

>>130167303
kek

>>130166365
There is no double procession. Roman theology agrees that the procession is singular. The holy spirit proceeds from the father and from the son in one single line of procession. This isn't my theology, this is the theology of apostolically ordained bishops. Why would the holy spirit allow an untruth to become dogma in the church?

Vatican 2 doesn't accept other religions. Try again.

Say what you want about roman theology but to deny it is part of the one apostolic and catholic church is to deny orthodoxy for everyone is in agreement that roman bishops are valid and wherever you have a valid bishop you have the catholic and apostolic church.

>>130166517
Most METAL of all denominations
>>130165939

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>>130132906
> Are the Orthodox Christians really most redpilled?

or Bolsheviks?

>>130168185
Fuck off normie.

>>130136885
Gross

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>>130134456
I always thought it was supposed to represent the sun

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>>130165939

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>>130136379
Praise friends

>>130167627
metal is degeneracy

>>130168772
Only death, black metal and the like

>>130168946
no, all of it.

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>>130138030
whites should've won the civil war desu
would've BTFO Europe along with the Nazis then

>>130167430
Baloney, you see this the problem with having a conversation when your conclusion is pre-selected and everything is done to justify a course take at all costs, I believe the course of vaticanry with its $$$ dial-a- heaven justifications, incredible bloodshed , unacceptable protection of pedophiles to don't discredit the brand, invention of theology for political gain repeatedly and as a sign the pope Ratsinger ( rat singer) setting off 2 pigeons to be eaten by crows a little after in full view and cameras , let alone not transmitting the teachings of Jesus Christ but of itself , makes all your bishops a layman, a bureaucrat.

>Why would the holy spirit allow an untruth to become dogma in the church?
Because the church wallows in the mud

>Say what you want about roman theology but to deny it is part of the one apostolic and catholic church is to deny orthodoxy for everyone is in agreement that roman bishops are valid and wherever you have a valid bishop you have the catholic and apostolic church.
>nice point, mine is that roman pigs can fly

>>130169047
At least Sabaton doesn't tell you to race mix or be a cuck like some of today's music does
Each to his own I guess

>>130168772

What music genre isn't degeneracy?

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>>130168700

>>130169261
It's still degenerate ape noise

>>130169321
classical, hymns, choir

>>130169321
you have to go back achmed

>>130169506
You probably only heard black metal
Can't blame you it's Fucking shit

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>>130169453
Nice wojak

>>130169694
I've heard all of it, it's degenerate and satanic, every last bit of it. God fearing christians don't need that kind of racket.

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>>130147577
ayy

>>130169829
Whatever
Sabaton best band

>>130136379
PRAISE

Guys, according to Orthodox tradition, the Antichrist will be Jew.

"It should be known that the Antichrist is bound to come. Every one, therefore, who confesses not that the Son of God came in the flesh and is perfect God and became perfect man, after being God, is Antichrist. But in a peculiar and special sense he who comes at the consummation of the age is called Antichrist. First, then, it is requisite that the Gospel should be preached among all nations, as the Lord said, and then he will come to refute the impious Jews. For the Lord said to them: I am come in My Father’s name and ye receive Me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. And the apostle says, Because they received not the love of the truth that they might be saved, for this cause God shall send them a strong delusion that they should believe a lie: that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. The Jews accordingly did not receive the Lord Jesus Christ who was the Son of God and God, but receive the impostor who calls himself God. For that he will assume the name of God, the angel teaches Daniel, saying these words, Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers. And the apostle says: Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition: who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God; in the temple of God he said; not our temple, but the old Jewish temple. For he will come not to us but to the Jews: not for Christ or the things of Christ: wherefore he is called Antichrist." - Saint John of Damascus (An Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith)

>>130168533
>вeпpь-paмхaтъ
>larping this bad

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>>130168185
nyet!

>>130168772

depends on what type friendo, all music without substance is, metal singing about depression, anger, history or the like is pretty top tier because it has substance.

>>130170629
what's that mean?
I was just saying the swastika represented the sun centuries before it was associated with anti-smitism

>>130142655
you wouldn't be able to prove that in court, the early church hierarchy was somewhere in between where the Catholic and Orthodox churches are today, both sides have polarized significantly over time.

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>>130170492
but of course
>>130167430
by the way it would be a shame to don't answer those , Vatican 2 is about accepting other religions.What you mean .
> Vatican 2 doesn't accept other religions. Try again.
It does, it calls for an oecumenical intefaith dialogue and movement , that's NWO. And don't say garbage like 'Orthodox don't understand oecumenism as in here ( >>130152813) since you forget they spoke greek, it's their mother language.

>There is no double procession. Roman theology agrees that the procession is singular. The holy spirit proceeds from the father and from the son in one single line of procession.

No, you're just playing with words, it's the aforementioned dual procession, justified, as a single procession! That kind of crap is what roman catholicism is made off, all the fucking time.

As for your final point that a bishop who is catholic of the one apostolic and catholic church is valid ,well, he's a heretic, sorry. I mean you can insist over and over but reality is not a conviction others must acquiesce to .

>>130152466
Go fuck off back to your Middle Eastern Church moron. Only racially mixed Europeans like Greeks and Russians traditionally follow Orthodoxy, along with Arabs and Ethiopians. It's no coincidence that Protestant Europe is Nordic, Catholic Europe is Mediterranean and Celtic and Orthodox Europe is pretty much just quasi-Asiatic. By becoming Orthodox, you are explicitly rejecting the heritage Western Civilisation in favour of blatant Orientalism.

>>130173430
>protestant Church
>Nords
You mean ghosts? They all have turned to atheism up there
>Catholic Church
>med and Celtic
Full of mutts by your standards
If Greeks are mutts then French, Italians and Spaniards are not whites

>>130173430
its not about race cuck its about wich is true teachings of christ.

>>130132906
>pagan symbols with Christianity

literally hitler

>>130169251
The orthodox would condemn what you wrote as heresy. A bishop is a bishop and will always remain a bishop. Donatism was condemned as heresy. You are incapable of debating on theological grounds and have resorted to slandering the indomitable body of christ.

It is apparent that your issue is that you hate the church and have no faith in the body of christ. You are neither catholic nor orthodox but merely a protestant. Stop pretending to be orthodox, they do not share your hate for the church.

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>>130173430
Not a coincidence you guys are not cultural leaders but followers both in philosophy and identity (West turned into a liberal faggothole) and in religion , 2nd-3rd tier Calvinolutheran larpers slave of the kikes.

>>130172673
Interfaith dialogue doesn't mean anything. It simply just dialogue to improve relations and proselytise. Nowhere does vatican 2 call for christianity to merge with other religion in syncretism. How can you proselytise without dialogue?

As for the filioque it is not wordplay. Both rome and orthodox understand that the holy spirit passes from father to the son and to the world in one single harmonius procession. How can you deny the holy spirit proceeds from the son? Do you think the son is not in union with the holy spirit? The trinity is a perfect harmony of all 3 persons. If the holy spirit does not proceed from the son then the son is left out of the trinity.

Orthodox theology holds the church is catholic that exists with the bishop. How can the bishopric be heretical? That means that the catholic church is heretical. The man holding the bishopric may sin and become a heretic but the bishopric itself is infallible and perfect for it is the whole and universal body of christ. To call the bishopric heretical is to call the body of christ heretical.

The holy spirit would never allow the church to become corrupted. The church is perfect and infallible wherever it exists

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>>130174445
Yes yes, the diagnosis is the same as always, you have no theology, just a legalistic approach to text, that you manipulate and try to get away with it, on the basis what serves you best, you will NEVER understand this. If you have to use your mind than perhaps don't take religion as an intellectual pursuit but a exercise in clarity of awareness and pure unadulterated faith. Theology is a nice complement to your experience. It's not a rag you can edit at will , like you very well know , that's a mark of satanry. Do you know what are it's marks ? Can you recognize them ? Do you read the life of the saints ? their own sayings. People who lived and live in the Holy Spirit My theology derives from there and reading the bible. i don't make fun of saints becasue my relatives went to mount Athos and came back green. This is something you do not have access as a Catholic because so be it .

There's a Ecumenical Patriarch in Constantinople, he's the titular head of the Church. This man is making a NWO error at the time being 'uniting' all religions, religions who don't accept Christ. He has impeccable theology being a Chalki intern, yet look, he fell in the simplest trap. That's why I don't listen to theology, only the saints. He's pretty much like you only several times better.

When you start to look for extra time to justify what you did and distort the faith with your own ideas then you don't have a faith . You have an ideology, like the vatican .

It is YOU, who have no faith in the body of Christs , just an idea of what it must be. I do not expect you to understand this, but it's an excellent opportunity for you to begin. You're cut off from the source anyway, might as well do it.

>>130174454
Northern Europe was targeted by destruction by the kikes because the Nordic race represents pure European humanity, the most unadulterated by inferior admixture and is thus the highest tier of human evolution. It embodies all they hate. Brown meds and quasi-Mongol halfbreed countries are still "based" for the same reasons Arab countries still stone fags to death. 1) They are poor as shit and have worse education, something which has only inadvertently become an advantage and 2) destroying mongrel countries is less of a priority for the kikes.

It really baffles me how supposed "white nationalists" exalt obviously racially mixed people as superior to pure Europeans because "hurr durr muh based Slavs and Meds". Surely if that was the case, Middle Eastern immigration would be a good thing, so Sweden or Germany could become more like Greece.

Btw, I'm not a Protestant and nor do I advocate Protestantism or any form of Christianity for that matter. It's just the case that when the Church schismed, it did so along the lines of the European West and the Orientalised East. Then flash foreward to the Reformation, Germanic Europe grew to despise the typically Italian corrupt behaviour of the Roman Church as well as it's un-Christian elements, which although Pagan and therefore in a way more European than the Levantine Gospels themselves, did not sit well in the context of Christianity with a people who were inclined towards rationality rather than superstition. Hence they created Protestantism, a "purer" form of Christianity without the Mediterranean corruption and superstitious chaff accumulated by Catholicism.

>>130175975
It's no secret that freemasons and jews tried to coopt vatican 2 into outright declaring heresy as dogma such as jews being saved. However the fact that all these heresies were noticed and editted by the clergy before vatican 2 was proclaimed is evidence that the holy spirit was protecting the church and the gates of hell were not able to prevail against it. The attempts by the jews to turn the church into a satanic den backfired and only strengthened and improved it. Vatican 2 was holy and ordained by god.

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>>130175975
>"The church is perfect and infallible wherever it exists"

>>130176339
Ah i see. You have outed yourself as a gnostic as i suspected. You reject the authority of the living church in favour of sola scriptura altered to include the saints. You do realise that jesus gave the bishops the power to change and define theology? Alas you have no faith in jesus or his church. You only have sola ego.

Hopefully one day you will reject gnosticism and your ego and return to the church. Orthodoxy rejects your gnostic views btw so stop pretending to be orthodox.

>>130176803
He didn't kiss the nigger's foot ex cathedra peter so i don't see the problem.

I agree that francis the man has a lot of evil aspects to him but the pope is still infallible

Reminder to all christians that satanists will use all kinds of lies and deceits to attack the church, often pretending to be members of the church. Engage them in theological debate and they will reveal their heresies and hate for the church. God be with you all.

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>>130175975
There you go again Jimmy, sorry to break the news but no, assertments and fallacies need a willing dupe to be accepted, and all of that is crap . It's your POV, well it ain't true.

>>130176342
What's that huge ass paragraph ? Couldn't you keep it simple. I really hate you. First of all interesting how you group slavs and greeks together just because of their religion and then pass it on to racialism while they are totally different races. I think you're not very clever and it will tire me two have 2 dumbos to talk to.

>The Orientalised East is a the Eastern Oriental Church, a different church altogether to Eastern Orthodox, did you know that no ? What do you really know ?

It all seems to amount to you have a false assumption of things that fit your ideal model , just like buddy over here . I'm not going to redpill you , it'll take hours . Short story is you need germanoid things to come first and it wont because they're not . You are absolutely clueless, and I regret it .
>>130177323
You do realise that jesus gave the bishops the power to change and define theology?
What are they rabbis ? What's next Maimonides ? No . Gnosticism ? No if you want to see corrupt dogma look there, they give some elements of unheard truth but in the end say that evil is good and vice versa, I'll pass.
You don't seem to have a personal experience in the faith. Pray, talk with the Lord etc. you might want to do that before a)trying to dicredit me to get your point across b) repeat ad nauseum what as a utterly sterile and dubious ,at least, message .

>>130178488
>again complete inability to engage theologically and instead resort to slander

Ah the old gnostic protestant "personal relationship" heresy. Sorry to burst your bubble but the only personal relationship you have is with a demon. There is no personal relationship with god. There is only a divine perfect union with god through the church. There is nothing person about it and there is no ego.

>>130179122
You have no idea what i'm talking about have you, be honest . Theres is only the bishop! well that's not what our saints tell us , you didn't hear one word of what I've written I can spot a novice in the faith when I see one. This is Orthodoxy.

>>130179549
I fully understand gnosticism and all ots guises. There is no substance to anything you have written only the typical protestant fluff. The saints condemn your hate for the church and the bishops.

It may be your idea of orthdoxy in your gnostic religion but it is not Eastern Orthodoxy.

>>130134079
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXKeiTTN7Wc

>>130134079
pagan are larpers and lefty unless you are an atheist then you are a jewish tool

>>130134079
Orthodoxy has a shit tin of pagan adaptations, way more than any other variant of Christianity

>>130180095
As if you knew. You're quite the slanderer yourself, It's not my fault if you're a poor larping kike. It's your fault. Deal with it. Also the more you try the funnier you get . I'm being entertained. Hey you broke off and invented new stuff and now came to the source tell me you're right ? You're wrong, and I know much better than you what my Religion is, the true faith in God. All of you catholics are actually larpers , literally.
>>130180326
We got another clueless tool, welcome.

>>130180893
I am all for paganism, but, now we just can't achieve it since it isn't popular, and can't serve its job as moral law and guidance.

>>130181293
Yeah well paganism, you know, the demon changes his name many times when he presents himself as an old god. Anything that doesn't mention satanry as an active corrupting force is part of it.

>>130134456
its one theory, but it just isnt enough for me. why would people all over the world for 12-15 thousand years or more be so fascinated by the big dipper moving around the north star?

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>>130145102
sure

>>130134079
No, the Jews fucken hate Jesus. That is why they tortured him and killed him on the cross.

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>>130176803