Anarcho capitalism is the final redpill

Anarcho-capitalism is a meme and the true redpill is regular anarchism

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>>130124037
We need freedom from niggers first

Political science has died along with other "classical liberal" ideas from the so-called Enlightenment.

>>130124037
>Freedom
>Property rights

what is the point

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>>130124037
I've toured around the world, from London to the Bay
It's "Hammer, go Hammer, MC Hammer, yo Hammer"
And the rest can go and play

You can't touch this

>>130124909
>Ownership is wrong! I share my wife all the time, I can't "own" her!

>>130124909
If you're such a nihilist, you should just kill yourself.

>>130124037
why would i want to be like africa

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FACT: All natural monopolies are the fractal offspring of the arbitrary monopoly on authority we grant to the state via mob rule.

>>130125853
?

>>130125853
are you sure

>>130125701
Me on the left

>>130126041
>on the left

Fucking commie

>>130125968

Yes, there really would be no monopolies in Ancapistan and nothing about U.S. history can be used as an example of a free society or free market.

Ancaps are not guilty of the no true scotsman fallacy as their model for society is grounded in an explicit definition of what constitutes a free society. The communist model on the other hand is grounded in an ultimately arbitrary distinction between private and so-called "personal" property.

All so-called "natural monopolies" are in reality the fractal offspring of the arbitrary monopoly on authority we grant to the state via mob rule.

>>130126817
>grant it via property rights
>things will be different now!

>>130126978

No one could possibly acquire a monopoly on authority through purchase or trade, such a thing could only be acquired through force (mob rule). Nation states are nothing but giant cults.

>>130127404
>owning land

>>130127465
>owning a razor

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>>130127465
>arbitrary distinction

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>>130124037
>anarchism

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>>130127465

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>>130124037
Wrong. It's starting the next crusades.

>>130124909
Fuck off you stupid communist kike. All the rights we have are delivered because we have the right to own. The freedom to not be taken away something.
>>130131093
I would definitely support a fascist goverment if it meant a future for the libertarians.
1433 friend.

>>130131109
"Voluntary communism" yeah nah.

We already live in ancap society. Rich criminals are writing and issuing laws that punish actual law abiding citizens for disrespecting other criminals as we shitpost about it.

>>130133624
"Already live in ancap society"
>Proceeds to post something directly opposing to an ancap society.

>>130133776
>has no insight to where ancap society leads

>>130133893
Oh trust me, I do know.

Do you have any arguments why would an an-cap society turn to a goverment run one?

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>freedom™
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vMypCinkRk

>>130133984
Because ancap only leads to the strong bossing around the weak in horrible ways.

>>130134155
If you have a bunch of subhumans willing to live in these conditions, then let them. The white man earns on this.

Also, mechanization is coming for their jobs.
>>130134258
You just posted a thesis, no argument.
Also >believing even if it lead to the strong bossing the weak that it'd be bad

>>130133984
Anytime there has been no government in any point in history, one has risen up.
Every single time.
Humans crave consistency, and that is not present in An-Cap.
Libertarians and An-Caps also make the mistake of assuming everyone wants the best for society and would be well informed, when that is false. Jews will always help each other at the cost of society, Blacks will always be ruled by instinct. Different An-Caps and Libertarians disagree on what the NAP allows and disallows, and if you can't even agree on something that is a core principle, then how can you function at all or even halt outside threats? And on the outside threats, how would you handle actual organized countries or groups attacking you?

>>130134338
You asked how ancap would turn into government and I told you precisely who would end up running the show and who would be taken advantage of. It ends with brutality determining who's on top.

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>>130134338
>the white man earns on this
No anon, the (((white man))) earns on this.
The blue-collar whites are forced to get shitty service industry jobs, and mechanization is coming for the white-collar white's jobs too in good time.

Cheap consumer goods all around, and all it cost us was our entire middle class and our national sovereignty. Excellent trade m8, great work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzIRG525l6s

>>130134155
>Cant recognise crony capitalism
The jews really have brainwashed you haven't they?

>>130134655
Posted a thesis, didn't post an argument.
>>130134615
An-capistan cannot exist in the current world, there's no point arguing it. But I want to lay foundations for it to exist in the future.
>>130134835
Whatever fuck off, if you can't get a good job in a free society you don't deserve to live. All you fucking nazis can post as arguments is that it is the (((jews))). In capitalism jews would actually have to provide good quality service for cheap prices to their customers because there would be no goverment to support their corporations or no goverment for them to take over.

>>130124037
libertarianism is the final redpill.
but majority needs totalotarist daddy to dictate them what to do, so ancap or libcap is for 5% of priviledged smart people

>>130134994
>can't refute
>"I'll call it a thesis"
So what's this fantasy ancapistan of yours look like?

>>130135156
You fucking idiots cannot even form arguments.

All you did is say "In ancapistan everyone's going to be ruled by mobsters because everyone's going to be ruled by mobsters just like today." No argument for WHY it would happen, you just said that it WOULD happen.

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>>130134994
>An-capistan cannot exist in the current world, there's no point arguing it. But I want to lay foundations for it to exist in the future.
At least you fucking idiots admit it. It's the same thing as communism - it can't fucking happen unless humans turn into a hivemind. I only push NatSoc because it fits human nature and interests, and is an actual achievable thing.
You're the first An-Cap I've argued with who's admitted that it can't even exist.
The fact that you push it while knowing it won't work right now makes you no better than the Communists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB9oUqIcX-c

>>130135397
That's not an argument, just an ad-hominem.

Which exact part of ancapistan would not work except for the "Other goverments would just take over" shit?

>>130124589
>No welfare
>Niggers
Pick one

>>130135397
Also I will never support your fucking ideology, because you're the first to call everyone commies, but you're the fucking (((SOCIALISTS))).

I only support fascism if it included a future for liberty, not socialism.

>>130135307
I don't think you know what anarchy means after reading your posts. It forces morality out the window. Those with morals will be seen as weak and those without morals will rise to the top.

>>130124037
>capitalism
>freedom
choose one

>>130124037
Anzu a cute.

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>>130124037
HAIL ANCAP

>WE BE COMMIN FOR U WHITE BOI, WE BE TAKIN YO SHIET, WE GOT GUNZ BOI

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>>130135464
I don't know, maybe you should stop reddit spacing and read the post.
>>130135507
Every thread. Every single thread. I post proof it uses the free market, I post proof that Hitler didn't mean Marxist Socialism, and you dumb motherfuckers just ignore it. You guys are impossible to argue with, much like the Jews. I'll post it again even though you don't even look at it.
https://pastebin.com/wV97RYQT

>>130126817
>are in reality the fractal offspring of the arbitrary monopoly on authority we grant to the state via mob rule.
not true. look bigger at cartels

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>>130134896
Crony capitalism is the natural evolution of the leniencies inherent in libertarian capitalism.
The lemmings will ALWAYS vote for more government. The instant you allowed non-property owners, nonwhites, and women to vote was the instant that you killed the possibility of libertarian/an-cap system existing in our nation. You weren't vigilant.

There is only one way back, and it isn't through the ballot box.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ymEKiY1UR8

>>130135637
Anarchy just means no goverment.

It doesn't force anything out, even under anarchy I'd still consider myself Polish and would cultivate my culture..
>>130135673
Name a free-er system.
>>130135763
I read it, and reddit spacing is not an argument, and calling everyone communists when you're the socialist is not an argument.

THE JEWS THE JEWS THE JEWS THE JEWS. MOMMY THE JEWS ARE COMING ;-;!
>>130135766
Bigger cartels only exist because they pay the goverment.

>>130135763
You can post proof of Hitler as much as you want, all I care about is:
Do you support economic socialism or not?

>>130124037
Anons aren't big on books and stuff.

>>130135947
Like clockwork, you don't read the post.
>>130136015
No National Socialist supports Marxist socialism, if you would actually read the shit I post, you would get that.
The fact that you guys don't read anything is why the rest of /pol/ thinks you are fucking retarded.
I invite you to try and actually read this time.
>>130135763

>>130136195
I don't give a fuck about Hitler, do you support economic socialism or not?

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>>130136310
>I don't give a fuck about Hitler, do you support economic socialism or not?
>No National Socialist supports Marxist socialism
How fucking dense are you? The absolute fucking refusal to read from you guys is baffling. Arguing with you guys is a chore when you forget or ignore most things I post and just scream "SOCIALISM, SOCIALISM" at me.

>>130136541
I'm asking you to give me a yes or no.
Do you support taxing people so people who don't deserve the money get it?

>>130136626
Taxes don't automatically make something Socialist you fucking retard.

>>130135947
It means so much more than just "no government". It's degenerate, nihilistic mob rule come to life.

I will keep my anarcho-naturism, thanks.

>>130131710
>I would definitely support a fascist goverment if it meant a future for the libertarians.
>I would definitely support a soclialist government if it meant a future for the communists.

What's the difference though? Neither governments are going to just give up their powers willingly

>>130136755
Sure, there'd be some societies where degenerates are allowed but they wouldn't achieve much. I would live in a society with no degeneartes and no blacks. Nihilism is leftist we are more right wing than you.
>>130136719
Do you support taxing people so people who don't deserve the money get it?
Yes or no?
>>130136839
Libertarianism is white people's ideals. A fascist goverment just means there's a dictator or something, he can still allow economic and society liberty.

>>130136907
Good luck finding a dictator who has your best interest in mind.
It's super risky to give up your freedoms under any circumstance

>>130136719
It does.

>>130136907
>Do you support taxing people so people who don't deserve the money get it?
No. I support taxes, but National Socialists don't give out free money to people for not working. Only those who genuinely work get money from government jobs.

>>130137141
>Early America was Socialist
An-Caps, everyone.

>>130124037
does anyone have that ancap memeball with the text about a private cop who shoots a postal box, asks for money to investigate a crime, etc? fucking gold

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>>130124037
it's as stupid as communism

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>>130137219
I have the original post if that helps.

>>130137102
I agree.
>>130137143
See, this is the difference, you at least want to not support socialism, but there are nat-socs with whom I've talked who 100% support economic socialism just because "MUH WHITE RACE". If you allow socialism, this wil llead to huge degeneracy in the white race. You'd know this if you lived in Poland.
>>130137211
He's just retarded. For example I believe we could achieve minarchy with the state only funding the justice system, the army, the police and as long as we need to, the infrastructure.

>>130124909
The baseic property that anyone have is your life, if you belive in abolishing any type of property you not only abolish a mans house or hes ability to work but the owning of oneself.

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>>130134994
Bullshit. There are plenty of ways to make money under capitalism that don't require "good service for cheap prices". Unethical practices are their speciality, in your society they'd still be pooling their resources and forming monopolies. They embedded themselves in our media and our universities (the industries of influence) with little to no government involvement at the start.

Perfect example: Why do you supposed we ALL buy diamond rings to propose marriage, even though they are intrinsically worthless??

A fucking marketing campaign. (((Oppenheimer))) grabbed an effective monopoly and his progeny DeBeers controls the worldwide supply and inflates the price. Has this easily accessible knowledge stopped LE RATIONAL CONSUMER from buying diamond rings for exorbitant prices? Not in the slightest.

Even if you are fully aware of this, I DARE you to not buy one for your fiance. Go ahead and explain to her that the diamond industry is a monopoly, and diamonds are intrinsically worthless.

She's gonna hear "BLAH BLAH..no diamond..BLAH BLAH" and leave you that fucking night. They were so successful that they've got our whole society buying SHINY WORTHLESS ROCKS pulled out of the ground by starving niggers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtasXQu70H4

>>130136541
I think you might be a bit dense too.

He's starting to play word games and providing you structured leading questions with which you are supposed to give a yes/no answer to. Classic hooknose tactics, you should be familiar with these by now. I also think you know what happens after this thread dies and someone remakes it tomorrow.

>>130137360
>there are nat-socs with whom I've talked who 100% support economic socialism just because "MUH WHITE RACE"
All of them are pagans and purity spiraling skinheads. They exist, but they are all pretty much Strasserists, not NatSoc. NatSoc doesn't give out money, but rather government jobs so you CAN earn money.

>>130136907
The degenerates in this situation are the ones with less morals so they have less holding them back from taking over. Once you form an alliance to fight off degenerates you've just negated anarchy

>>130137531
I know exactly what he's doing, that's why I'm not playing his game of giving a yes/no to pointed questions. Also, fuck off Mike.

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>>130135695
Patrician taste

>>130137516
>submitting to a woman
> a nazi
jesus fucking christ.

These monopolies are only allowed to exist by goverment regulations.
>>130137587
Anarchy is no goverment. I can still form a private society with rules, like no gays no niggers exc.
>>130137559
The problem with public jobs is that the goverment will always make more gov. jobs so it can put their own people into this jobs, increasing corruption. Also goverment jobs are much less effective than private jobs and in many situations hurt the economy long term.

>>130137359
thanks senpai, gets me every time

>>130137531
THE JEWS MOMMY! THE JEWS!@!!!@#!#
>>130137669
It's not a tainted question if it's real.

>>130137669
Oi, I'm not Mike. Can't you tell by the fact that my shift key isn't broken?

>>130137747
Okay you've confirmed yourself as a troll with that last reply. Thanks for exposing yourself. A society with rules is not anarchy.

>>130135761
>is racist
>still clings to the idea that somalia is fucked because of "ancaps"
lol let me guess. you still have no bitcoin

>>130138051
HAHAHAHAHAHA! That's why idiots like you will never understand what it means to be free!
There's no freedom without responsibility!
1433

>>130137747
>The problem with public jobs is that the goverment will always make more gov. jobs so it can put their own people into this jobs, increasing corruption. Also goverment jobs are much less effective than private jobs and in many situations hurt the economy long term.
This can be a legitimate problem in NatSoc, but also keep in mind that most of the time these jobs are temp. construction jobs until other work is found. If that doesn't happen, then yeah, a problem does arise, but, to be fair, that never happened in NatSoc Germany were people were just locked in government jobs for all eternity unless it was bureaucratic or military work.

>>130135929
the nazis mistake was instilling a belief in statism among their people
now they are docile cucks that are fine with "holocaust denial laws"
a ridiculous prospect to a racist ancap

>>130138051
Ancaps oppose illegitimate authority(the state), We have no problem with legitimate authority

because we don't deserve that level of freedom

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>>130137920
Sorry then, not!Mike.
>>130138292
To elaborate on how the economy works in a generic Fascist state, not really specifically NatSoc, but it's close.

>>130138292
Remember that interventionism leads to economic bubbles. Don't let your goverment be run by keynesists.
>>130138398
What's we?

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Sad for ancaps, the definition of violence is completely subjective

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>>130138518
not using gender pronouns is aggression

>>130138518
Shooting the helicopter down breaks the NAP mate

>>130138518
What's subjective about the "The freedom of your hand ends at my nose?"
Or rather "My liberty ends where your liberty begins" it's pretty objective.

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>>130138624
of course to ancaps, their own life is more valuable than others. No heroes in this bunch

>>130138222
So which do you want? To be the responsible one or the one who loses everything in a moment of irresponsibility?

>>130138482
people, we are inherently savage and need order

>>130138874
What are you even on about?

>>130138803
You're a fucking retard, of course I pull the leverl

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>>130137516
>inb4 ITZ DA JOOOZ RIGHT /POL/??!

Yes. It is fucking the Jews. It nearly ALWAYS IS.

>>130138329
You think that authority will be benevolent?

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>>130138803

>>130138912
Anarcho-capitalism doesn't mean no order, just no goverment.
>>130138803
If I'm not stupid then I live in a society where tresspasing laws aren't a death sentence, and get off with a fine. Then I hire these guys to my McNuke factory and everyone lives happile everafter.

>>130137516
>
A fucking marketing campaign. (((Oppenheimer))) grabbed an effective monopoly and his progeny DeBeers controls the worldwide supply and inflates the price. Has this easily accessible knowledge stopped LE RATIONAL CONSUMER from buying diamond rings for exorbitant prices? Not in the slightest.

Even if what you say is true, what you have is a bunch of retards handing resources over to someone way less retarded in exchange for something worthless. Nothing wrong with that.

But you are wrong in the whole view of diamonds. Firstly, it's bullshit that one of the hardest materials on earth has no intrinsic value. And secondly, people don't "consume" diamonds, they're an investment. Even if you buy diamond jewelry for the dumbest of reasons what you have is an item of value which can be sold in a time of need.

>>130138943
It very often is, almost always, but when it comes to arguing, calling each other jews doesn't help.

>>130138998
It will be controlled and restricted. Our system literally prevents wrongdoing and anyone gaining power

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>>130139000
>>130139087
Are they a death sentence? Who knows, depends on how that particular individual feels at the time

>>130139241
No it doesn't work like that. We all live in societies and you can always decide to leave that society if for example you don't agree with the laws. Any society where the tresspasing rules are a death sentence are idiotic.

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>>130139358
doesn't sound like anarcho capitalism to me, sounds like some kind of localism

>>130138916
Just that people tend to last longer when they band together and form tribes rather than being every man for himself. It was one the first things humans learned.

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>>130139569
Can a group of ragtag individuals compete with a centrally organized group?

Pic related, peasants and militia with homemade weaponry vs. the Roman legions

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>>130139000

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>>130139765
>Implying I'm a communist

Freedom is scary when you're not intelligent enough to survive on your own.

>>130139569
In ancapistan You are free to do what ever the fuck you want as long as it doesnt threaten violence or use violence against anyone(unless in self defense)

If you want to go and build a commune with your commie buddies you are free to do so, if you want to teach your son how to fire a m1 abrams you are free to do so

>>130139198
How is controlling wrongdoing not an action of government? Who even decides what wrongdoing is?

>>130139730
>defensive technology of 61 AD is better than the defensive technology of 2017
yeah they waste trillions on goat farmers just for funsies

>>130137747
A private society with rules can only exist so as long as the community is small enough where each individual can ensure that everyone he interacts with is also following those rules. No central management needed.

As communities grow in size and duplicate offices of essential services (like security and firefighting) are needed in order to provide sufficient coverage, not having any central anchor to keep each outlet in line will eventually lead to a lot of conflict. If each private security company (and by extension customers) for each zone of this big community has different ideas about what is legal and what is not, how will disputes be settled when two individuals live under two completely different sets of rules? Not every domestic dispute, not every runaway criminal seeking refuge, not every business grievance can be settled just by throwing money at each other. I don't think it will last. If conflict ever erupts, the remaining forces that survive will take the reigns and this results in the formation of a proto-state.

Assuming peaceful existence does continue; Some zones of the community might have the best economic position by way of their choice of industry and thus are able to wrestle their way through negotiations more easily; negotiations where they might start trying to influence the laws of other security companies to their benefit. Simply moving away to make a new homestead isn't going to be an option for everybody, so most of those in other zones will just have to bear with the slow changes. Eventually the largest and most influential companies in that zone may have been able to effectively control the economic and social policies of the other zones. From this another type of proto-state is born.

Or another country could just take one look at this fractured people, then decide to annex them through military or economic actions by leveraging the resources of their entire people (taxes) and that is the end of this anarchistic experiment.

>>130131109
I've always found it incredible how anyone could see this otherwise.

>>130139730
Since when are private military companies and militias not centrally organized?

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>>130139832
>implying you have any coherent beliefs at all

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>>130139832
>>130140019
whatever complex private forms of social organization you think of are going to need to have government powers in the end.

>>130139861
Who is going to keep tabs on the commies and stop them from getting so big they take over the whole place then?

all this anarcho capitalist anarcho communist bullshit really needs to stop. It's like the gender thing for people that pretend to know something. We now have 20000 anarcho-blablabla's, all with a different flag and they are all a stupid worthless fantasy.

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>>130139126
>a bunch of retards
It has nothing to do with being retards, it has to do with their CONTROL over how we fucking think. It has been so pervasive that even the people who understand this scheme cannot escape it. If your wife doesn't have a ring, people will ASSUME you are a shitty husband and probably ask her if your abusing her or some bullshit.

>value
The actual supply of diamonds is enormous, they would be dirt cheap if they were not strategically controlled by a MONOPOLY (which you retards constantly claim is IMPOSSIBLE bc muh competition, muh free trade)

>sold in a time of need
Clearly you've never tried to sell a diamond ring. The instant it leaves the store, it's worth substantially less. It's just like buying a new car, and selling it the next day, it's "used" now.

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>>130131710
Libertarian fascism would be the best after Ancapistan.

>>130134155
It's America's fault that these countries sell their people out for shit wages? If someone offered to do a job for you for $10 would you pay him $100 just because, especially if you've never actually met them?

>>130139909
Private security can arrest someone for NAP violation. The free market prevents companies for performing shitty actions

>>130136907
>there'd be some societies where degenerates are allowed but they wouldn't achieve much
You just posted a thesis, not an argument

>>130140295
>The actual supply of diamonds is enormous, they would be dirt cheap if they were not strategically controlled by a MONOPOLY
how many books have you read? the debeer conspiracy is old hat and played out
go buy a knife sharpener, a grinder wheel, a sawblade. they arent expensive and are covered in diamonds
>bu-buh I want a REAL diamond
monthly bleeder detected

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>>130140183
Ancaps seem to be ok with collective ownership of private property when it comes to the stock market. But when it comes to things like collective ownership of the roads, bridges, parks....etc within a community, they freak out. Even joint ownership between husbands and wives is too much for many of them

>>130140365
Strawman.
It's in our nature to be greedy, it is the government's fault for allowing international corporations to take advantage of this nature.

>>130139991
> Eventually the largest and most influential companies in that zone may have been able to effectively control the economic and social policies of the other zones. From this another type of proto-state is born.

Whichever group of companies band together to impose their will through violence would be opposed by all other companies.

>Or another country could just take one look at this fractured people, then decide to annex them through military or economic actions by leveraging the resources of their entire people (taxes) and that is the end of this anarchistic experiment.

Except that annexing a free country is very hard unless there's a huge technological advantage involved. The only way of going about it which sounds even remotely feasible is genocide or deportation, and that's not very common among civilized nations either.

>>130140377
So you're going to control people so they don't get enough authority to over power you?

>>130140235
As HHH would say, physical removal of communists from our societies, so to speak.
>>130140365
Agreed.
>>130140420
Ok the argument is that the NAP allows for these societes to exist and there's a reason why degenerate civilizations led to destruction. So the non-degenerates will achieve greater things.

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>>130140583
>>130140617
>Whichever group of companies band together to impose their will through violence would be opposed by all other companies.
Why? Wouldn't they join in, since what they're doing is profitable?

>>130140183
>"citation needed"

>>130140583
>But when it comes to things like collective ownership of the roads, bridges, parks....etc within a community, they freak out. Even joint ownership between husbands and wives is too much for many of them

Are you saying that anarcho-capitalism is fundementally opposed to the concept of partnership?

>>130124037
Anarcho capitalism can't work until the demographic problems are dealt with.
You need to exterminate undesirables and have an eugenics program, and decades of strong fascist rule before you can even think about anarcho capitalism.
Any anarcho capitalist idea can be destroyed with one simple question - what about niggers and jews?

>>130140555
I love how the way to test if a diamond is synthetic is to check for impurities. You pay 20x as much for a shittier real diamond

>>130140742
If it was profitable for everyone, coercion wouldn't be neccessary now would it?

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>>130140742
>>130140768
>Are you saying that anarcho-capitalism is fundementally opposed to the concept of partnership?

No, but when you think of a community or a government, you're talking about the individuals within a geographic location all exerting collective ownership over the space. Voting on things, just like corporate board owners vote on company policy

>>130140664
So you would just restrict it from growing beyond a certain point? Or not allow it to form at all?

>>130140978
The problem with governments isn't that certain services are collectively owned, it's that you don't have the freedom to opt out of it if you don't like it.

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>>130140555
>le conspiracy
No it's fucking not. I already addressed this you mong: >>130138943

>monthly bleeder detected
Yeah, that's the fucking root of the problem. Women want a real fucking diamond, because they are susceptible to kikery like this. If somebody told YOUR wife you bought a fake diamond, I guarantee she'd divorce you or start fucking Jamal down the street within a month.

If you honestly think this kind of societal manipulation is acceptable, then you deserve the ovens too.

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>>130140944
>If it was profitable for everyone, coercion wouldn't be neccessary now would it?
Did you read my comment correctly? You said that any company that used coercion would be opposed by all other companies. I asked you why, since after all using coercion can be very profitable. Seems like they'd all join in on the action instead

>>130141140
I suppose you have the freedom to move to another town or country. But remember in a world of private property, you don't have freedom of movement. You can only go where you're invited.

>>130141203
>start fucking Jamal down the street within a month.
Nice fantasy there, kike. I think you slipped up.

>>130141203
>If somebody told YOUR wife you bought a fake diamond, I guarantee she'd divorce you or start fucking Jamal down the street within a month.

Well, trying to push a fake diamond as a real one makes you the kike here, son.

And there's plenty of women that don't even like jewelry for some odd reason.

>>130140985
I'd like to live in a private society where being a communist = death sentence, but people are too fagotry to do that so most likely just physical removal of leftists.

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>>130124037

>>130141427
There's a reason it's called JEWelry.

>>130141270
>Did you read my comment correctly? You said that any company that used coercion would be opposed by all other companies. I asked you why, since after all using coercion can be very profitable. Seems like they'd all join in on the action instead

Yeah, because capitalists are a hive mind.

Even if a whole bunch of companies tried to pull that off, it would just create demand for someone to stop them, in case the fact that you're dealing with an armed population isn't enough.

>I suppose you have the freedom to move to another town or country. But remember in a world of private property, you don't have freedom of movement. You can only go where you're invited.

No, because in a world of private property, your property isn't defined by some bureaucrat attaching your name to a certain location. There would be plenty of unclaimed land, and plenty of communities which wouldn't shoot you just for settling down close to them.

>>130140617
>would be opposed by all other companies.
>WOULD
No. That requires the assumption that these companies are all staffed by the "New Libertarian Man" who will oppose the dominant company or conglomerate simply on principle. In practice, all living beings will take the path of least resistance. If the path of least resistance and most benefit is to backstab the others in exchange for a more favorable relationship with the dominant conglomerate, then it is likely the one that will be taken.

Not a guarantee, mind you, just very likely. And "likely" is all we need in the grand scheme of human history; the opportunities for this to happen will occur many times within the decades, centuries and millennia ahead. It helps explain why there are no surviving Ancap societies today.

>impose their will through violence
I did not say that is done through violence. In fact I structured the second scenario to imply that it is the peaceful one that is distinct from the violent breakdown of the first.

>Except that annexing a free country is very hard
For annexing country as big as America in its entirety, maybe. But this scenario assumes that place is not a country anymore, remember? Just a bunch of loosely affiliated cities on the same land mass. If a country as big as America really descends into true Anarchy, you will have a shit ton of other countries trying to get a slice of the pie, no matter how long it takes to slowly convert and absorb these scattered communities into their culture. Communities which bar all immigration in order to prevent foreign powers from planting their roots down (legally) over the generations are going to feel very isolated and surrounded by the other communities that didn't.

Again, maintaining this Ancap society is heavily dependent on the assumption that each individual acts perfectly according to the Ancap principles and does not harbor any shred of desire to go back to living under a state. That's almost Communistic in expectations.

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So I've spent a good majority of this thread shitting on ancap ideas. Now let me suggest an alternative
What about a traditional nation-state. Led by great men, with glorious armies that conquer lands far and wide

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw2GiQ8vsrs

Can you feel the heart bumping in your chest, the blood surging through your veins? Can you feel the manly energies driving you to conquer, and see your enemies flee from your mighty footsteps? The thrill of battle, the call of destiny. It's within you, you have the power to make your mark on this world. With your brothers at your side, your mighty host raises glory to the almighty

Blood and soil, honor and glory

>>130141427
>there are plenty of women that don't even like jewelry
m8 literally every married woman gets a diamond wedding ring, fuck off with your bullshit.

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A N A R C H O C A P I T A L I S M I S A N
O X Y M O R O N


N I B B A S

>>130124589
niggers can't exist without a state, I look foward to the day their checks don't come in the mail. Global chimpout, global white people with shotguns going to town on them.

Ancapism is utopian.
The system relies on every single person being morally benign.

>>130141941
>No. That requires the assumption that these companies are all staffed by the "New Libertarian Man" who will oppose the dominant company or conglomerate simply on principle. In practice, all living beings will take the path of least resistance. If the path of least resistance and most benefit is to backstab the others in exchange for a more favorable relationship with the dominant conglomerate, then it is likely the one that will be taken.
You do realize that attempting to turn over your customer base (which is probably keen on anarcho-capitalism since there's no other reason for them to be living in it, and also heavily armed) to a state is a lot more risky than remaining loyal to them.

>I did not say that is done through violence. In fact I structured the second scenario to imply that it is the peaceful one that is distinct from the violent breakdown of the first.
So they're going to try and pull something off peacefully within a free market without using violence or threats of violence- where is the problem?

>For annexing country as big as America in its entirety, maybe. But this scenario assumes that place is not a country anymore, remember?
Country and state aren't synonymous.

>If a country as big as America really descends into true Anarchy, you will have a shit ton of other countries trying to get a slice of the pie
Again, the only way for any country to get "a slice of the pie" is to either start genociding and replacing the native population, which isn't likely to succeed even if someone was crazy enough to try it. Or settling on unclaimed land, which isn't wrong.

>Communities which bar all immigration in order to prevent foreign powers from planting their roots down (legally) over the generations are going to feel very isolated and surrounded by the other communities that didn't.

Yeah, I'm sure the communities in this hypothetical ancap America that didn't let a bunch of spics and niggers in would feel real isolated and depressed about it.

>>130141941
>Again, maintaining this Ancap society is heavily dependent on the assumption that each individual acts perfectly according to the Ancap principles and does not harbor any shred of desire to go back to living under a state. That's almost Communistic in expectations.

Every system needs the people living by it to believe in it in order to survive. The only difference is that anyone found in an ancap society that didn't like it would be free to leave, or even organize their own community as a state for that matter.

>>130142215
Now that's just not true.

But if you're so averse to jewelry, there's plenty of hippie women that share your views. So you might consider converting to their ideology. If you're going to be a retard, you might as well get laid in the process.

>>130142215
>>130142936
>Literally all women are what the stereotypes I've acquired through popular culture tell me they are

It's amazing how people so sheltered from actual society are even capable of proclaiming to be so certain of their own extreme views.

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>>130142488

no it doesn't. private defence agencies enforce the NAP.

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>>130142241
implying you can not be inside a voluntary hierarchy

>everything in your private life already runs like that
>be so dumb

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>>130124037
true
the weak should fear the strong
cant wait to rape and pillage weak ancap autists once the anarcho capitalist society finally comes around.

>>130143400
Could you repeat that in English please?

Lmao

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>>130124037
Niggerfaggot.

>>130143179
People have a deep yearning for their hours to be seized.
It's just it's not good that it's seized for niggers to breed.

>>130143542
> dat flag
> being able to stand up at all
Have a (you).

>>130143542
>can't wait to be a nigger in a heavily armed society

You can't possibly be this suicidal.

>>130142548
To address the general point of your counterargument, I am not talking about the influence of Feels, I'm talking about the influence of Money.

If influence can be bought it will be bought. If you can slowly shift the perception of a people over time then the companies and conglomerates that support each other can affect change in society without risk to themselves. Sports Company A (working with Dominant Company Z) declares that they really love the services provided by Service Company B, and that you will get extra stuff from both if you're a joint customer. For those that can see what Service Company B is actually doing (shifting societal trends and ideas to Z), are they really going to be at liberty to violate the NAP and go full ham on A and B to protect the sanctity of their way of life? It will also help a lot of Media Company C can spin the hate as crazed conspiracy theorists.

All the while the employees of A, B and C don't necessarily need to be given knowledge of what exactly they are accomplishing aside from the public stance. Hell most people today might not even give a damn as they are too tired from work to care.

This is seriously not a very complex set of necessary relationships as far as conspiracies go.

And why are you harping on the need to genocide people in order to take over land? One can take over land by fostering good relationships (and creating entrapping deals) with the economic and social leaders of the place. There is no need for violence to infiltrate a community and gain influence over time. Those communities that don't want to have relations with this foreign country can be "punished" softly through such influence. Maybe neighbor Communities 1, 2 and 3 are all producing the same product, and Foreign country 4 can sweeten the relationship with 2 by selling them some valuable resources for cheap that gives 2 a productivity advantage over 1 and 3. If 2 ever becomes reliant on this deal to thrive, you've gained leverage.

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>>130124037
weak and facile ideologies like ancap should be ridiculed and ignored for what they are: controlled opposition with the goal of benefiting the zionist goals in the long run

free movement of people, the destruction of the nation, power for the elite globalists, destruction of your race,... all of this is promoted within the ancap ideology and as such it is the enemy of any nationalistic white man

>>130140664
The NAP is just a voluntary agreement, enforced just by the "good will" of the people; the basis of anarcho-capitalism is that people would stop being pieces of shit and act on mutual trust. It can take as little as a minor tort to spark a feud between two people; if there's no higher authority to enforce the laws, what's stopping someone from taking justice on his own with disproportionate force (e.g. breaking someone's legs for a disagreement over a large sum of money)?
Also, it takes nothing for a really wealthy individual, or corporation, to gain monopoly in small to medium sized cities. They can bring down the prices artificially, force the local business owners out of business, buy out their debts, and then ta-dah, there's a monopoly (or oligopoly, if more than one society does that).

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>>130143927
>Nazi pretending his outdated extinct ideology is any better than AnCapism

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To be honest, I don't understand the whole nonviolence thing.

Men are supposed to be violent. It's in our very nature. We lust after great mountains to climb, great enemies to defeat, great battles to wage. The chance to test our mettle against the world. If you truly love a man, you will give him a demon to slay.

This world right now is rot and stagnation. There is no fire burning in our hearts, there is no steel in our bones. We are mighty warriors left to wither, great oaks left to rot. We are meant to conquer the universe, struggle and strive against all limitations. But instead we have become obsessed with dreams of utopian peace, as if this is some great moral virtue. But what about the virtues of honor, bravery, loyalty, respect? The virtue of a powerful warrior?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k3casyhOis

>>130124909
>waaah I can't have everything I want and just take from people I don't like
You will hang on the day of the rope scum

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>>130144119
>Men are supposed to be violent. It's in our very nature. We lust after great mountains to climb, great enemies to defeat, great battles to wage.
Holy shit the way you write is autistic.

>>130124037
No it isn't you can't form an ethnostate without breaking the NAP.

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>>130143633
>commies cant into words

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We have it whether you like or not.

But y'all stay poor victims if you like.

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>>130144065

what's stoppping a community from setting up their own rules? Anarcho-capitalism doesn't mean no rules, it means no rulers.

Please read more non fiction, less manga.

>>130144266
>you can't form a community unless there is a government
How dumb are you?

>>130144475
>AnCaps can't into coherent speech

>>130124037
Didn't we have this same tread earlir....

I truly am lifeless.

>>130143897
You're just completely ignoring that there will always be more companies attempting (and often succeeding at) providing these services and resources more cheaply. Media companies are already losing their grip on people, and would probably exist in a whole different manner in ancapistan where there is no such thing as intellectual property.

And communities don't produce shit, individuals in them do, and any one of them that shifts his focus from serving his customers to trying to make them serve him is going to lose his business.

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>>130144114
>marxism

>>130144683
>there will always be more companies attempting (and often succeeding at) providing these services and resources more cheaply

>What is monopoly

>>130144862
most monopolies are government backed

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Making profitability the only measure by which anything is allowed to exist is a terrible idea.

>>130144898
all

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>>130124037
Daily reminder

>>130144519
>what's stoppping a community from setting up their own rules?
So it would just reduce to miniarchism on a local level, since those who disagree with those rules would still have to abide by them if they want to keep living in that community. And to enforce those rules, you would still need a force sponsored by the community.

>>130144999
I wouldn't have phrased it better.

>>130144898
>>130144933
>What was the anti-trust act

>>130145122
>whats a patent?

>>130145122
>It says it's against monopolies so it is!
Are you this retarded? That's literally a child's understanding of the world.

>>130124037
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I,
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.

Anarcho-capitalism reminds me of those Company-owned mining towns of the Wild West in America. I think I could live without that.

>>130145122

just so we're clear, there is nothing wrong with a monopoly if it arises out of the free market. We want effective producers to push ineffective ones out of the market so resources are allocated where they ought to be.

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did you know that property is theft?

>>130145202
>Are you this retarded?
Are you? You don't even know about the history behind your own ideology. The AntiTrust Act was designed to prevent monopolies from forming in the US and resulted in Corporations managing to regardless.

>>130144531
why would you need to form a new community when we have them everywhere we just need to get rid of the shitskins.

>>130145352

wow, let's give pedro the janitor and maria the cleaning lady voting rights on what Space-X's next venture should be, I bet they have some real valid input...

transaction costs you fucking illiterate nigger. get a job.

>>130140278
This

>>130145352
You need a state to enforce your (((equality))) and (((freedom))) you arent even anarchists

>>130145388
>The AntiTrust Act was designed to prevent monopolies from forming in the US
Oh yeah, well, it says it's helping to stop monopolies, I guess it must. Clearly the government always has my best interests at heart after all. There's no way there could be a bill that said it did something but in fact the government didn't.

>>130144519
Like Wall St.

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>>130145468
t. bootlicker

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>>130140278
fantasy
>Singapore
>Hong Kong
>Switzerland

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>>130125701
y....you too.....

>>130145638
>people are going to work for nothing
t.commie

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>>130145517
Proudhon was the person who invented anarchism you illiterate nigger.

>>130145520
Give me examples of conventional monopolies that were supported up by the US government then.

>>130145762
>you illiterate nigger.
Are you implying that niggers are uneducated? OFF TO THE GULAG COMRADE

>>130145799
Anything with a (((patent))) on it, they dont exist in real capitallism

>>130145742

Those are actual sovereign nations though with government and military. Except for Hong Kong, it might as well be apart of China since they practically own them now.

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>>130145856
mutualist are the real racist.

>>130145638
there's literally nothing preventing people from setting up communist-style businesses, yet nobody does it...I wonder why...

>>130145799
Tesla.

>>130124037
Ancap isn't the final red pill because you can't turn the US into an ethnostate without violating the NAP.

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>>130145760
who the fuck said people would work for free?

>>130145799
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2015/03/17/the-united-states-of-subsidies-the-biggest-corporate-winners-in-each-state/
https://mic.com/articles/85101/10-corporations-receiving-massive-public-subsidies-from-taxpayers#.PtkHRjPVU
https://mises.org/library/fear-monopoly
https://mises.org/blog/blame-government-not-markets-monopoly
https://mises.org/library/myth-natural-monopoly

As well as all the industries such as healthcare that benefit from anti-competition regulations and intellectual property, there's government subsidies to big companies, and regulations that quash small startups.

>>130146101
Archive time

>https://washingtonpost com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2015/03/17/the-united-states-of-subsidies-the-biggest-corporate-winners-in-each-state
https://archive.is/Q5i5C
>https://mic com/articles/85101/10-corporations-receiving-massive-public-subsidies-from-taxpayers#.PtkHRjPVU
https://archive.is/3TYii

>>130146041
You're free to form a white only community and deny non-whites into it; There is your ethnostate

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>>130146020
>yet nobody does it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation

>>130124037
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqSsTIlthPA

Libertarianism -> Secularism so no thanks.

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>>130124037
libertarian faggots and subversives get out.

>>130146126
So we just let everywhere our ancestors built burn down? No thanks. Also it would require you to build completely new town which is really expensive since almost every single town has diversity and you can't kick them out without violating the NAP

>>130146187
You can be a butthurt violent savage or a money grabbing jew.. which is more noble?

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>>130146187
>mfw ancaps are just useful idiots
Thanks for helping us push out non whites and get ethnonationalism back on the table. Now about your Jewish capitalism step, just step into my gas chamber

>>130146329
Buy the property and you can kick them out; you'll be earning up to 6 times as much as you are now so it wont be hard

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>>130124037
Many people are not capable to lead a self determined life in total freedom. They need a leader to tell them what to do or they just kys themselves.

Those people are r-selected and we need to purge them to have a real shot at an ancapitalistic society.

Start up the rotors!

>>130146426
But there will always be people that refuse to sell especially if they know it's because we want to make an all white community.

Daily reminder that Ancap is only Anarchy in the technical sense that there is no state. Force still exists in the form of economic force ... a woman who just gave birth might be 'forced' to come into work the next day if she doesn't want to get fired. Nobody is joining any guns however, the system simply serves individuals the results of their own actions. Personal responsibility becomes a totalitarian force

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>>130124037
to me the ideal compromise is a miniature government that mainly consists of a military, and a strict christian social/moral code that governs behavior by rewarding the good and shunning the bad.


so basically america pre civil war-slavery

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anyone what to start a worker cooperative?

>>130146679
this is exactly what you should do if you believe what you say. your flying in the face of all historical expectations but i support your right to do so

also see>>130131109

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>>130134155
If you're offering me to work for $0.80/day I'm not going to say "lol pls no". I'm going to take your offer and I'm going to laugh on the way to the bank.

It's up to you for how much you sell your time. I'm not to blame if you make a retarded deal and I take it.

>captcha

>>130146845
Then you have no money and you die since in ancap money = God

>>130146561
This is pretty much anarcho-conservatism

>>130144999
Libertarianism at it's conclusion is essentialy what you said, a bunch of monarchies. If you want to live in a place where there is no taxes and no security - no one stopping you.
Society with private security on every corner - no one stopping you.

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>>130146819
>flying in the face of all historical expectations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_worker_cooperatives

>>130146561
Anarcho-capitalism is unnachievable at this point in the world, but minarchism ( what you described ) is not.
1433 listen to some Christopher Cantwell, he's woke af.>>130146978
Tell me of some society where money doesn't equal great living. ( PRO TIP: COMMUNISM )

>>130147243
Minarchism is the first step to Ancap

>>130146978
pretty powerless/humble gods then, rule over nothing outside of their bussineses

>>130146507
if they cant be bought out They will leave when everyone around them is white

>>130147561
Do you actually believe that also there are groups that would buy out housing and use them as a type of section 8 housing to try and stop it.

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>>130147327
that's not true


minarchism is the previous step to a bigger state

ancapia is not a gradual process inside statism, keeping a small portion of a cancer doesn't lead to removing all cancerous cells

the ancap challenge is not even about removing those cancerous cells, as it's too late, the cancer is too big to be removed, instead, removing the healthy tissue and isolating it is the only process that can work out.

This is the ideal ancap plan, you might not like it, but that's how peak ethics&freedom looks like.

>>130125701
>Free Cities.jpg

>>130147688
>bleeding heart liberals paying for entire ghettos on their own dime
Not gonna happen.

>>130147688
I mean its possible but you could pay them more money to leave and they can use the money you give to find property else where

>>130147750
How would we stop foreign gobments to claim our clay tho?

>>130138912
not all people are like you. you migth be savage and need order, but i dont.

>>130147750
No once minarchism is reached, Physical removal can commence

>>130148050
splc George Soros other (((groups))).

>>130148511
But you see, George Soros gained his money through the things like Wall Street, in real capitalism this shit wouldn't happen.

>>130148571
But it has already happened which is the point.

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>>130148511
Their method is buying politicians and using taxpayer money to fund those things. Throwing a couple million toward political movements makes sense, wasting even more than that on a money pit just piss off some landowners doesn't.

>>130148613
Well, if he buys land and gives away his wealth that's a good thing. When purchasing politicians is corruption. Society would actually benefit from him wasting his wealth. Jews only prosper with goverments.

>>130144310
>Pay your fair share and we'll also steal 50% of all your money and take money from jews and try to destroy the white race

>>130148680
But if we could legally establish a white community right now that is what I believe they would do.
>>130148930
George Soros has billions it wouldn't be a dent in his wallet he's literally funding all the migrants to go to Europe currently

>>130146177

oh, the famous mondragon. how come most corporations aren't like that, if the model is so efficient?

>what are transaction costs

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>>130125701
I prefer this one...

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If there exists truly evil ideology, then it is libertarianism.

We need to seize and use the tools that the leftists have used against us all along in order to defeat them. It would be a logistical waste to just discard all of the tools they've created to suppress us, don't you think?

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>>130149204
>that is what I believe they would do
And that's why they're rich investors and you're not. They actually expect a return on investment. Yes, they do scummy things to enrich themselves but they're not le evil cartoonish villains that you make them out to be.

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>>130149331
capitalist state collusion

http://www.mutualist.org/id72.html

>>130149735
Most aren't but I 100% believe that George Soros is.

>>130149942

do you really expect me to read all that make believe leftist drivel? give me a tl;dr, faggot.

>>130124151
Nihilism is the ultimate redpill: Take what you can get and give nothing back. This will always beat every other ideology, because it literary has no drawbacks.

>>130124037
Because me having the freedom to do what I want to others means others have the freedom to do what they want to me. It's always a question of security versus freedom and all the ancoms/ancaps who think that security would be just fine are just lolcows.

>>130124037
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-wMmYSG9JQ

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I find the infighting between ancoms and ancaps quite funny, when both their ideals require everyone to conform for its survival. If society just collapsed, I'd just go about making a new state in whatever region I happened to be in and there's nothing to stop those who want to willingly join.

>>130150491
the only State you're capable of making is in "My documents", you retard.

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>>130150491
Both ancaps and ancomms get the gas chamber but ancaps will be first in line.

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<<< tfw ancap

> tfw started with $1000

>>130150618
If not me, somebody else would, and others would join it. It's like Hobbes said: Nobody wants to return to the state of nature, and so would unify into another state to avoid it.

>>130124037
Anarcho-Capistalism is a meme and promotes degenerate behaviour.

It's the ideology of choice for sodomites and wannabe bourgeoisie wagies.

>>130150763
"nobody" is a pretty daring statement. Sounds utilitarian.

have some dostoyevsky you pleb.

>"Tell me yourself -- I challenge you: let's assume that you were called upon to build the edifice of human destiny so that men would finally be happy and would find peace and tranquility. If you knew that, in order to attain this, you would have to torture just one single creature, let's say the little girl who beat her chest so desperately in the outhouse, and that on her unavenged tears you could build that edifice, would you agree to do it? Tell me and don't lie!"
>"No I would not," Alyosha said softly.

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>>130150991
>Sounds utilitarian

When you don't know what utilitarian means, you should probably just get out. It was a generalization that blatantly wasn't meant to be taken literally you stupid nigger. Virtually everyone likes living in the contract, and those anarchists who don't end up being the sort of lowlife leather wearing gimps you see hanging around bus shelters talking about how fucked up society is because they don't fit into it.

Out, you pleb. OUT!

>>130150653
Anyone who is degenerate enough not to take care of his offspring should have his genes die off.

Ayn Rand's world view works perfectly well if you just replaced "individual" with "bloodline", as we have a biological imperative to sacrifice ourselves for our offspring.

>>130150794
No, anarcho-capitalism promotes fiscal responsibility and a kin-centered lifestyle.

>>130151285
>No, anarcho-capitalism promotes fiscal responsibility and a kin-centered lifestyle.

It doesn't promote anything save for the removal of the state. Any system (outside of comunism) can promote fiscal responsibility and a kin-centered lifestyle, so don't act like bumblebees have a monopoly on it.

>>130151180

I actually assumed it meant virtually everyone, hence why I mentioned utilitarianism, which violates people's rights for the "greater good", which is, of course, ethically and morally wrong.

I'm sorry, but you are the nigger.

>>130124037
We gave up "freedom" when we decided to live in a civilised society. Freedom is a childish and unrealistic ideal.

>>130151521
Utilitarianism does no such thing to violate the rights of others for the greater good. If you want to go by the baseline utility principle, that's true, but then there's act utilitarianism which asks a bunch of questions (fecundity, intensity, remoteness, extent, duration, purity), then there is rule utilitarianism which has its own variations that largely center around the rules of society being a factor in the decision. Then there's preference utility, which only considers those directly involved in the action, rather than any extended participants.

So yeah, talk when you understand what you are talking about, cunt. Want to try again?

>>130151378
Name one system where you have a greater incentive to spend rationally and maintain good family relations than anarcho-capitalism.

>>130125701
Me on the right.

>>130151849
Well, firstly, what is "rational" within the context of spending? Would that rule out all frivolous consumerism?

Secondly, what exactly causes the need to maintain good family relations in anarcho-capitalism, exactly? And how does that differ from a minachist system?

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If any libertarians/ancaps here want to devle into topics such as
>are monopolies/duopolies/oligopolies only the result of government
>can the ideal of a free market co-exist with the ideal of a representative government
I highly suggest you read this book
If you're the type who loves political theory that is similar to economic theory, you'll probably at least enjoy the read.

https://www.amazon.com/Bigness-Complex-Industry-Government-Economics/dp/0804749698

>>130151959
>Would that rule out all frivolous consumerism?
It wouldn't make it disappear, but it would give people engaging in it a serious evolutionary disadvantage.

>Secondly, what exactly causes the need to maintain good family relations in anarcho-capitalism, exactly?
The fact that there is not state to act as a substitute family. Why do you think all the most isolated places on earth where governments have little to no power are/were so clannish in nature.

>And how does that differ from a minachist system?
No theft through taxes and no state jobs to feed parasites.

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>>130124151
Yes MANIFEST DESTINY BITCHES !!!!!1

>>130152274
>The fact that there is not state to act as a substitute family. Why do you think all the most isolated places on earth where governments have little to no power are/were so clannish in nature.

The same goes within a minachist system, wherein state intervention is utterly prohibited save for maintaining law to maintain order.

>No theft through taxes and no state jobs to feed parasites.

Again, if it's a minachist system, support is not given, and one can suppose that a structure can survive without the need of payment, but that's relatively unrealistic. I can assume that there would need to be some degree of payment coming from somewhere, but that would be purely to maintain the system of law, not to feed "parasites" as you call them (nice respect of humanity there, by the way)

>>130151732
nigger, whatever branch of utilitarianism you choose to adopt, you can never avoid violating someone's rights. I agree that some branches would violate rights more and some less, but, you know, a little rape is still a rape.

You will accept Rothbard is your Lord and Savior by the time I'm done with you.

>>130152658
I'm a Kantian/virtue ethicist, myself, but the intent of utilitarianism isn't to violate rights, because the concept of rights belong to an entirely different system of ethics, anyway. And who is to say rights exist or deserve consideration within the context of anarchocapitalism? Without a state to maintain rights, they are meaningless.

This is why ethical systems are better than rights, because they do not need other people's acceptance.

>>130152645
>Again, if it's a minachist system, support is not given, and one can suppose that a structure can survive without the need of payment, but that's relatively unrealistic. I can assume that there would need to be some degree of payment coming from somewhere, but that would be purely to maintain the system of law, not to feed "parasites" as you call them

There can be no state without a bureaucracy, and no bureaucracy can function without taxation.

If you take taxes and other forms of coercion out of the equation that what you have is no longer a state, but a club.

>(nice respect of humanity there, by the way)

Wait, I'm supposed to respect people who provide shitty services funded by stolen money?

>>130152965
>There can be no state without a bureaucracy, and no bureaucracy can function without taxation.

I did accept that, if you read the whole sentence.

>Wait, I'm supposed to respect people who provide shitty services funded by stolen money?

I'm talking about the term parasite, I probably should have made that clearer.

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>>130124037
> FREEDOM
my fucking sides

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>>130152113
an excerpt:

<Historically, says Morganthau, this dilema has been accentuated by a progressive decomposition of governmental power from both within and from without. From within, government was weakened in its effort to regulate and control--to civilize and tame--great concentrations of power rather than to attack them frontally. Government tried to limit and constrain the conduct of the power concentrations rather than to transform them structurally. It did so by creating an enormous apparatus of quantitative and qualitative complexity. It divided and subdivided the functions of the executive brance, and parceled them out to a pllethora of administrative agencies, often working at cross-purposes with one another. These agencies, says Morganthau, became autonomous centers of power (feudal fiefs), competing with other agencies for determination of policy, defending their bureaucratic turf against other centers of power, and trying to increase their power at the expense of other agencies. This internal competition leads not only to a fragmentation of governmental power but also to a diminuation of the sum total of public power. As a result, the "government, instead of speaking with one strong and purposeful voice, speaks in many voices, each trying to outshout the others, but all really weak as well as contradictory.">

>>130152113
Thank you for the suggestion. I think a free market is 100% the correct answer but I do think there are ways that monopolies can occur in a free market. I look forward to reading about this.

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>>130152113

"This, then, is the basic structural challenge to an advanced economic society intent on preserving democratic institutions: how to prevent private concentrations of power, organized into powerful political pressure groups, from achieving dominance ove rthe economy and, eventually, over the state; and how to do so without creating an omnipotent government, strong enough not only to control private oligarchies but also to become an instrument of oppression beyond public control. To this challenge there are not simple answers."

>>130152880

how is being a Kantian compatible with utilitarianism?

>Act in such a way that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of any other, never merely as a means to an end, but always at the same time as an end.

fiat justitia ruat caelum

>>130140583
>I learned all about this political ideology from funny memes on the internet! I know more about it than the people you subscribe to it.

>>130153420
Oh hey, thanks for considering my suggestion. You never know sometimes if people will just skip over it.

I came into it with a pretty ancap perspective and it definitely was constructive for developing my philosophy further.

>>130153635
I never said I was a Kantian AND a Utilitarian, but I am a Kantian defending Utilitarian.

Besides, there are some ethical theories that attempt to combine the two through virtue ethics. The basic premise is that one's change of character (virtue) can only come about by the combination of the good will (Kantian) and achieving the utility principle. In doing so, one's actions align with one's will and one's character is changed through it.

So there are possible means of consolidation, but they are currently early work done by people like Ian Law at Birmingham.

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>>130145967
all of them share the main perks of ancapias

strict rule of law
real property rights
small goverments
not too interventionists or decentralized (switz)
freedom
prosperity over 9000
private education > state indoctrination

check out freedom index

>>130146041
kicking out commies isn't violating the NAP

phisical removal of human trash isn't a moral issue, but a technical one

kicking a bear outside of your birthday party is not a moral issue, it's a technical one

kicking a collectivist/statist who wants to slave you outside of your fucking sight is not a moral issue, but a technical one