Story time

>>130123471
Anyone who says you can't be gay and christian is a moron.
You can kill people for their skin colour and still be christian. It might not be a very christian thing to do, but that's aside the point. God doesn't kick people out of his club for making mistakes

>>130123471
NO YOU FUCKING CANT REEEEEEEEEEE FUCKING QUEERS GTFO

>>130123500
The yellow sheep is retarded.
This is exactly the kind of crap that resulted in the CoE turning into a big fuckfest. All they teach is god is a god of love and nothing about his rules or plans for humanity

>>130123634
>God doesn't kick people out of his club for making mistakes

God does whatever we collectively agree he does.

>>130123829
What? We follow God's rules, he doesn't follow ours.

Try again Cristo-fags
Meet the new trifecta
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=w6hxrZW6I9I

You can forgive someone for being gay and still welcome them in church, but that doesn't mean homosexuality isn't a sin. Love the sinner, hate the sin. No man is without sin.

>>130123634
what a fucking retarded post

Op is a faggot :D

>>130124080
Why?
See
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You CAN be gay and Christian, but:
>you can't take part in homosexual acts
>you can't be in a homosexual relationship
>you can't be trans etc.
>you shouldn't be a priest

>>130124204
Being Christian means being "Christ-like"

If you do stuff that isn't following the Jesus example, you're not a Christian

>>130124329
I mean, you CAN do all that stuff... You shouldn't though.

>>130123879
Nope. We make guesses at what God wants and then do so. Typically, these guesses exhibit significant self-interest and inconsistency. We have a rudimentary guide, but we've been playing the same game of telephone with it for 2000 years.

God is what we make Him to be.

>>130124356
There is literally no person alive without sin. If humans could be sinless, we wouldn't need Christ.

>>130124384
In your opinion, Anon.

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>>130123471
heresy >:(

>>130124462
There's a big difference between someone who is only a churchman and somebody who goes all the way and is a Christian, Anon.

>>130124382
Being in a constant state of sin makes you excommunicated.
For example, fapping to porn is a sin that only lasts a while, but being a porn producer is a constant state of sin.

>>130124462
we dont need him either way

>>130123471
You cna be homosexual and be Christian. You must live a life of chastity, and be aware you got a moral and ethical disorder which could damn you to Hell if you don't keep it in check.
I suffered from same sex attraction in the past, but I kept learning about it and slowly accepting it while not perpetrating it.

>>130124329
Exactly! It is a challenge, but it is possible; again, chastity and acceptance of our miseries is part of the path to our Salvation.

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>>130123513
>Christians are now faggors
what else is new?

>>130124356
>>130124534
Accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour is the necessary and sufficient condition for being saved. I'd essentially class faith in Christ as making one a Christian.
If you insist that one must live life as "Christ-like" as necessary for being Christian, then no man is Christian.

>>130123471
But where is the black and the brown sheep?

>>130124825
You can lose your salvation if there is not change in your life after you "convert"

You cannot convert and then lead a life of unrepentant sin and expect to be saved

>>130124798
Faith is so powerful, we'd be remiss not to expect infidels to frequently try and subvert it, Anon.

>>130124971
We disagree on a fairly fundamental theological principle then

>>130123634

>God doesn't kick people out of his club for making mistakes

>21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.’…

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>>130124673
mass shooter in the making

>>130124673
>I suffered from same sex attraction in the past, but I kept learning about it and slowly accepting it while not perpetrating it.
This along with other posts. I acted upon mine for 6 months and a couple encounters prior to that relationship, but screw all that. I still have yet to accept Jesus and am in the world living in sin, but at least there's that, I suppose.

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>>130124825
>If you insist that one must live life as "Christ-like" as necessary for being Christian, then no man is Christian.

We are called to do so. Or I don't know what they teach in YOUR Church, but I am a Catholic and we are literally called to live like Christ, accounting for the particular circumstances of our lives, of course. And some of us succeed. These are the saints, whom we ask for help and who come to us in our moments of need, by the grace of God.

>>130125255
You're forgetting the part where Christ died for all of our sins past, present, and future and ensured salvation for us if we accept him as our Lord and Saviour

>>130125537
I don't want to get into an argument over this but I think the Catholic doctrine of papal infallibility changes our perspectives considerably on how we just someone to be living life as Christ-like and how we can ultimately measure/judge that as humans

>>130123471
>You can be both!
No you can't.
And anybody who says you can is a heretic and you know what should be done with heretics.

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>>130123471
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>sheep
How appropriate.

boy, everyone is a heretic except me

>>130125543
if you think that way , it will be you who will be saying lord lord , jesus died and became the sacrificial lamb nothing more nothing less. john baptisms was for washing of sins do you think people went there everyday?,

>>130124329
The bible is pretty clear that works don't matter. You can fuck all the men you want and as long as Jesus is your savior you are fine. Same thing with murdering, theft, rape, etc. For all have fallen short of the glory of god.

>>130125916
I'm not saying it's ok to flaunt Christ's sacrifice. I don't think that's a good thing to do and seems to me to be throwing his sacrifice back in his face. However, that being the case is irrelevant to whether or not you're saved.

>>130126059
That's just giant bullshit.

BURN THE HERETIC! PURGE THE UNCLEAN!

>>130124384
>We make guesses
>what is the bible

>God is what we make Him to be.
get behind me, satan

Also all theistic religions are by definition Satan worshipers. You don't need Jesus to deliver you from lack of morality. Morality is a natural occurrence. You unbalance the equation by adding in comparing skydaddies.

>>130125463
Ah ah, nah! I found peace in the Lord after years of despair.

>>130125518
We all take time to get cured. I hope you'll find God, anon.

>>130123484

People like to cherry pick Bible verses without ever referring to the context in which they appear. If you take it one verse at a time you can probably twist it to mean anything to anyone.

I believe in Christ and the Bible... and I am afraid because of the sins that I do. If I were in the gay community, I would treat that aspect of my life the way that I treat pornography...e.g., every time I sin, I would confess, repent, and try to change by attempting not to do that sin again.

Trying to convince yourself that your sins are fine in God's eyes is a dangerous game, I think, and one that I try to be aware of preventing myself from playing.

God speed all ye believing anons.

>>130124971
For posterity, do you believe in the Holy Trinity or are you a non-trinitarian?

>>130126360
>Morality is ingrained
>Africans killed each other for millenia and when anybody showed up that would buy their prisoners they all turned slavers.

I mean it's all there anon. Embrace the light of God or become Africa.

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>>130126360
>Morality is a natural occurrence
Not this one again...

Why would God make me gay if he hates gay people? does he really expect me to live sexless and loveless the rest of my life? What kind of God is that?

>>130126059
>The bible is pretty clear that works don't matter.
>what is "faith without works is dead"
>The bible is pretty clear that works don't matter.
if jesus is your savior, you won't, therefore you can't.

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>>130126587
Kek, do you seriously tell the priest every time time you fapped?
>"I'm so sorry father, it happened again, I couldn't help it, somebody posted a crossthread link to /trash/ and I saw a picture of rainbow dash. I couldn't help myself, I was possessed by the devil himself.

>>130126729
He didn't make you gay.
You became a faggot on your own volition.
Maybe lack of a proper father figure.
But only the church can save you.

>>130126591
I'm not a non-trinitarian.

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>>130123513
>picking and choosing the vaguest bible verses you can find
Now this is some top tier jewry, who the fuck published this drivel?

>>130126729
he didn't, idiot. you are mentally ill.

>>130126729
How did you determine that God is responsible for you being gay? The whole "Born this way" is a BS myth

>sexless and loveless
Aha, who said that? God doesn't necessarily want either of those things for you. It's unfortunate that you're having difficulties with normal sexual attraction, but that doesn't mean you can't resolve them.

>>130126923
ive been gay since i could remember also no one thats gay has ever become straight. thats like trying to make straight people gay. youd never like to bury your dick into a mans asshole no matter how many times someone prayed for it.

>>130126729

Life is a test you are gay you fail when you fuck man ass, some other people are psychopaths they fail when they kill . everyone has his bagage in this test

>>130126059
>You can fuck all the men you want and as long as Jesus is your savior you are fine.
if jesus is your savior, you won't, therefore you can't.

>>130126059

Galatians 5:21

>Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

>>130127072
Hell is for ever!

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>>130126729
another one in the list of garbage made up gods

>>130126661
>africans
>believing any made up shit you tell them
I didn't say people weren't superstitious. Where do you think religion came from?

>>130127072
>no one thats gay has ever become straight.
The Ancients both Roman and Greek fucked men like nobody's business but when it was time settled down and had children and stable families.

You're just brainwashed.

varg was right

>>130126934
What sect might I ask?
I'm Christedelphian myself.

Our ecclesias really aren't sure on how to handle OP's eventuality, we've been lucky enough through now for it not to have come up.

I'm still not sure how we'd handle it, conversion therapy would be a non-starter and turfing someone out seems a little overbearing, but certainly better than forcing them to be something they aren't.

>>130126729

God doesn't exist sweet pea.

>>130126878

I'm not a Catholic, so no, but I do confess it to God. There is only one mediator between God and man, the MAN CHRIST JESUS.

Fapping to porn is basically fornication. The problem today is that every man is tempted by the ability to fornicate essentially at every hour of every day, so it's hard to resist. It's no less of a sin because it's on a screen though.

>>130127024
great so being gay is something i cant change nor is it my fault im glad we agree
>>130127055
been gay since i can remember existing so basically born gay. and how many gay people actually become straight? none its all repression
>>130127074
and straight people commit fornication, adultery, lust etc. i fail to see how gayness is a worse sin

don't follow any of the rules of the bible, god created you with the urge to sin so obviously it's okay for you to do so and he forgives everything which means it's okay to do everything
<3

>>130127072
A lot of homosexuals are victims of childhood sexual abuse. I don't want to get too Freudian but that often also gets repressed.
Not saying that's specifically the case for you, but it's worth considering if you want to introspect/talk to a therapist about it more

>>130127215
So is superstition ingrained?
Is morality too?
Both?
Choose please. I don't know where you stand.

>>130127241
thats called being bisexual, thats not everyone

>>130123471
what about paedophiles priests?

>>130127333
>been gay since i can remember existing so basically born gay
"Basically" isn't good enough. Your nature is to be straight, trying to brainwash yourself into thinking that you were born with a wire-crossed isn't helping yourself
> and how many gay people actually become straight?
Quite a lot, actually

>>130127241
This meme is false.
Only degenerate urbanite wealthy romans did this in the peaceful periods of Rome. With greeks they had romantic love with other men but not buttsex. Some city states practiced pederasty though.

>>130127442
gay=/=pedophilia
even some straight people are pedos

>>130127373
Yes everyone is superstitious without even knowing it. Anyone will think advanced science is magic.

>>130127523
Paedophilia is sexual deviance in the same way that homosexuality is.

>>130127523
>You can be on the straight and narrow whilst being a paedophile
I don't think you'd quite understand how this works anon...

>>130126729
He didn't make you gay, trust me. From my earliest memories I was attractged to the same sex more than the opposite. I've come to find out that, no, it wasn't God, but I got caught in the snares of the devil, what have you. It's easy to whisper into the ears of children and influence them, as they're little clean slates. I continued on that sin, which is a huge abomination and spit in the face of Him. Yes, we all sin and that is a sin, all sins are more or less equal, but to taint the natural order of penis in vagina is pretty bad.

>>130127578
Being gay in a consening relationship doesnt hurt anyone though stop acting like its the same as pedophilia where innocent children are hurt

>>130127523
You are a sick sick puppy annon.

>>130123500
At the churches i've been to they just don't allow faggots to be members because they are actively sinning.

>>130127333
>i fail to see how gayness is a worse sin

Who the fuck is even talking about a worse sin ? there is no worse sin for god.

James 2:10
>For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

>>130127661
I didn't say they were the same, I said they were both sexual deviance.

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Rand Paul and Bernie Sander might still be controlled opposition, do not let them fool you this easily.

>>130127328
Hmm, admirable response. I like Christfriends. They're not degenerate

Prove how being in a consenting faithful loving gay relationship where you mind your own business hurts or harms anyone. Every other sin involves some harm on someone else in some way or yourself. This one doesnt.

>>130126273
Isn't bible written by alchoholic street shoepolisher

>>130127328
>Fapping to porn is basically fornication. The problem today is that every man is tempted by the ability to fornicate essentially at every hour of every day, so it's hard to resist. It's no less of a sin because it's on a screen though.
i always think of the sermon when the need for porn comes


>27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. 29And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 30And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

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>>130123471
>This badly wanting to belong to a group of people believing in an invisible skyguy based on 1000 year old ramblings of a bunch of sandniggers that also hate your guts.

>>130127937
First of all, the whole "consenting faithful loving gay relationship" thing is close to a myth. There are very few gays that are capable of this in any real capacity and even less that are capable of it in the long term. Your Hollywood fantasy films of the two mentally robust gay dads are just fantasy films.

Secondly, apart from these fringe cases of seemingly functional gay couples, people are hurt. Do you think the lifestyles undertaken by the gay priders are conducive to a healthy society? That's not to mention the hurt it causes God to see people flaunting his gift of life with decadence.

>>130127072
If something is good, god did it, if something is bad, person did it. God controls everything, but doesn't control bad stuff. It's just bullshit to make you sleep better at night

>>130128258
So many words but nothing that actually proves your point except strawmen.

>>130127661
You're hurt already

You can be both, IF and only if you don't practise faggotry, and actively beg the Lord for forgiveness for your inside faggotry.

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>>130123513
Oh look, vague bible verses! Now lets look at the ones that specifically condemn homosexuality in all its forms.

>>130128549
Sorry I don't have any of my links on this PC, maybe some other anon can help out

>>130123471
mmm no sweetie, God doesn't exist

>>130123513
>God didn't destroy Sodom because they were fags.
Simply untrue. It says in the very next verse that He destroyed them for their 'abominations.' The other points are just cherry-picking and using verses out of context, but this one is a brazen lie and contradicts scripture completely.
>>130123634
>Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-19
Notice faggots is in that list, but not racists.

>>130123484
>Deuteronomy

Isn't that the same book that advocates the violent murder of homos?

>>130128836
look i dont care if some gays and bi's are sluts, some straight people are huge whores, the you have some gay people that are legit virgins just like some straight people. theres not as many differences as youd think especially in modern times of moral breakdown. i see many straight people doing some very gross things. all in all i just see hypocrisy in the way being gay is the ultimate sin for some. i didnt even ask to be like this and really dont try to fag it up or be proud of being gay. i just want to be with a guy and live my life.

>>130128675
Okay bring it up

You can be gay and Christian, although you would have to be celibate and avoid sexual immorality. A person doesn't get condemned to hell, unless they do not try to better themselves, and knowingly repeat the same sin whilst trying to use God as a vending machine.

>>130123471
Christians are so cucked they even embrace sinning

Drop the religion, don't drop the good values

>>130128980
Weren't homosexuals in the biblical times very promiscuous? There is debate over what modern translations of scripture interpret as "homosexuality" as in context, many homosexuals seemed to have been prostitutes, etc.

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You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. (Leviticus 18:22)

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. (Leviticus 20:13)

>>130126729
Tell me about your sexual abuse you experienced at a young age please.

>>130129229
No, in the bible it says humans aren't free from sin. You are making the mistake of equating all sins to automatically meaning everyone is going to hell. The point is to willingly improve yourself, although no one will ever be pure.

>>130129084
I didn't say nor mean to imply that all straight people are sexually innocent
However, you're absolutely kidding yourself if you think that there isn't a significantly bigger issue with promiscuity in homosexuals than with straights.
As far as I see it, this is congruous with a warped worldview that includes seeing homosexuality as ok

>>130129394
>Jewish law
That contradicts the Jesus's sacrifice. Judaica law isn't the equivocal of Christianity.

>>130126273
>what is the bible

Like the guy said, it's a composition of books that are over 2000 years old and can be interpreted in a number of ways. He's arguing that, aside from very direct orders from God or Jesus, for example the 10 Commandments, things are largely open to how people want to interpret them or what they determine are metaphors.

>>130124463
Ha, exactly.

>>130129394
How legit is leviticus?

>>130129084
>>130129500
Also I agree with you that seeing homosexuality as some ultimate sin is ridiculous. The point is just that being gay isn't in accordance with God's will

>>130129530
ignore the*

the thing is, if you want to do the old testament leviticus romans etc thing then do all of it. if you think gays are such an affront then mixed fabrics and other shit have to go as well. don't be a half-assed cherry picking phony just because gays make you feel icky

>>130129545
>lets ignore parts of the Bible to mould it into something that fits my belief system

Did God kill in the old testament, was God a loving caring God or a jealous God dealing out punishments?

>>130129543
Although the amount of translations are limited, as most current ones have contextual evidence, linguistics, etc. as support. Saying 'x' scripture can be translated to "lesbians can't eat fish while showering" would not be valid.

>>130129394
>old testament
nice try
>>130129308
yes so i wouldnt blame God if being whorish was the reason he considered it a sin
>>130129410
none i never experienced any and i had a great mother and father
>>130129500
there absolutely is a problem with gay people being slutty i agree with you there. as well as being feminine and cheating/ open relationships.

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read this instead

become celibate my bros

>>130129713
>Jewish law is applicable to the teachings of Christ in Christianity

Assuming you are looking at it from the Christian POV, a lot of laws or rules supposedly by God, we're established by pharisees that would shut out peple from salvation by condemning them, in addition to these people being hypocritical and having holier than though attitudes.

>>130123471
I wonder (((who))) created this book

>>130129394
jesus died in order for people to be survive and live happy thou.You know that.

>>130129936
I like how autocorrect changes my were, to we're, or replaces a letter with a word...

>>130129947
Multiple people.

>>130129814
>old testament
Did Jesus say "I have come to abolish the old Law and the Prophets and start a new set of Laws" or did he say "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."?

>>130129973
No, he died for humanity to be given a second chance.

>>130129881
>Gay and Catholic
Imagine my surprise
Catholicism isn't Christianity, its anti-Christ Devil worship.

>>130129814
Another thing, the whole "didn't ask to be like this" isn't a get out of jail free card to do whatever you want.
I didn't ask for a lot of my character traits/drives, but the point is to recognise them and change them OR at the very least control them. For example, someone with a higher sexual drive than average

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God tells me not to sleep with boys but he also told me not to wear mixed kinds of fabric.

You need to learn about Jesus' statements on pharisees for you to understand why many Jewish laws are non-applicable to Christians. Others were established via visions (such as allowing people to consume most animals in Christianity), and others are reinforced in the new testament.

>>130128980
and the abominations were more likely mass rape and torture, (bed of sodom to unwitting guests, for example, or giving gold to beggars stamped that they couldn't use it buy food) than a couple of guys having consensual butt sex

lot didn't offer up his sons, he offered up his daughters. people's inability to see past homosexuality in this instance is in itself bias laden and cherry picking

>>130129545
Depends on your denomination. Some Christians believe that the shit in the laws and certain actions of God in the Old Testament don't apply because Jesus's appearance formed a New Covenant or something like that. There also people who consider the shit in Leviticus not to apply to them because they're laws made by Jewish tribal elders and not from God himself. I'm also pretty sure hat same section of Leviticus advocates slavery and forbids eating pork and shellfish.

>>130129765
>Although the amount of translations are limited, as most current ones have contextual evidence, linguistics, etc. as support. Saying 'x' scripture can be translated to "lesbians can't eat fish while showering" would not be valid.

When I say "interpreted" I don't mean translations. I mean interpreted as in "letter of the law vs spirit of the law" type shit. The OP's book and the disagreement between >>130125537 and >>130124825 are what I'm talking about. Some Christians think that sincere faith in Christ qualifies you to be a Christian regardless of any sins you may commit, while others believe that one must also live like Christ and attempt to be sinless as much as they possibly can.

The entire point of this thread, is basically about who's interpretation of Scripture is correct regarding acceptance of homosexuals. Both sides can make a case and both of them will probably believe that they're right and the other isn't. Thus the idea that "God is what we make him to be".

>>130130326
>He came to cherry pick
I refer you to my previous point
>>130130202
Here's the next verse.
"For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

Seems pretty air tight to me, unlike your arsehole.

>>130130203
>If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.


>Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

notice the diffrence between the verses?

>>130130441
I think you quoted wrong person

>>130130091

You may purchase female or male slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. Ephesians 6:5 NLT

are these still in effect then?
>>130130202
so basically become straight or give up sex? thats unrealistic af
>>130130203
this. people cherry pick so hard from the bible they even used it to justify slavery at one point

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>>130130536
>tfw abomination

>>130130202
>Another thing, the whole "didn't ask to be like this" isn't a get out of jail free card to do whatever you want.

I feel as though homosexuals who aren't complete degenerates (in b4 derisive greentext, you know exactly what I mean) have a fair point though. It's not like they can just choose to want to fuck members of the opposite sex. A faggot can't choose to like vagina anymore than I can choose to like cock. I suppose you could argue that they could live a life of chastity to avoid sinning, but then you have the issue of whether or not gay thoughts and desires themselves are sins.

>>130130629
So what? I agree with slavery, just because man made law says we can't have them doesn't mean I agree with it, it just means man has put himself above Gods law.

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>>130128992
It is

>>130130688

>tfw burning in hell

>>130130799
> just because man made law says we can't have them doesn't mean I agree with it, it just means man has put himself above Gods law.


What about the parts of the Old Testament that forbid hair cuts or contact with a woman when she's menstruating? I can't cite verses off the top of my head, but I could look them up given time.

>>130130629
>thats unrealistic af
Wow man. Boohoo. There are plenty of straight people that go throughout their whole lives without sex as well you know. And not just incels.
Monks and Nuns, for example.
Believe me, every challenge you face in life has been faced by someone else and they have navigated it successfully.

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>>130130799
>supports slavery of human beings
sticking to your roots i see britbong

>>130131045
those people chose to be celibate also doesnt the catholic church have an epidemic of children being molested by these celibate priests? yeah thats working out well

>>130131017
>forbid hair cut
wrong, and im not helping you find out your glaring misquote on that
>don't have sex with menstruating women
and this is a problem why? I don't, its disgusting, you can't wait a week? maybe you need help to rid you of the Devil.

>>130130737
Gay thoughts and desires are sinful.
So are straight thoughts and desires outside of marriage.
The point isn't just whether or not you carry out the action, it's whether you recognise them as wrong and want to improve, regardless of what the steps are. Saying "oh well this is just the hand I've been dealt" and continuing to sin is basically the opposite of what God wants. The whole point of challenges in life is to temper our souls and, frankly, homosexuality in a Western country ain't all that difficult (apart from the people who insist on its virtues)

>>130131246
I'm not a catholic. And the systemic corruption the catholic church and its status as effectively an international criminal organisation has nothing to do with christianity or christians at large

Yes you can, any one who disagrees is just interpretating the scriptures wrong

Roman Catholic here.

I would concede that the way the Church treats homosexuals and views homosexuality are misguided and cruel, and I would want reform within in the Church.
I would go argue against what the Church says IF, and only IF, the theories that the pro-gay side believe about the nature of homosexuality are true.

According to them, sexual preferences are determined biologically and are present from birth. But only the sexual preferences surrounding gender. Attractions, inclinations and fetishes develop and change over a lifetime except for attraction to certain genders, which is rigid and unchanging across a persons entire life.

I find that a bit hard to accept. The intuitive way of thinking about things is that same sex attraction is another attraction that people pick up and drop over their lives. And their seems to be evidence. People "experiment" in their teenage years and then stop having those feelings in adulthood. Most people, when put under pressure, will admit that they have felt same sex attraction at certain points in their lives.

To me, same sex attraction just seems to be another challenge to chastity that many people will face in their lives, like masturbation, sodomy, adultery and concupiscence.

Catholics believe that masturbation is intrinsically disordered. That it leads to inflamed passions, isolation, frustration, and spiritual harm. I believe this, but I still struggle to remain chaste. Some people don't struggle with the urge to masturbate. I'm not going to say that I'm a "born masturbator" and my vice should be accepted as an intrinsic part of my being. That's what so-called "gay" people seem to be doing.

>>130131521
No you can't, sorry Sodomite, but that's just how it is.
If you don't like it well either change and beg forgiveness or carry on as normal and well, we all know what happens to sinners at the gates, I will pray for you to grow strength to fight your abominable lust urges.

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>>130131541
>Roman Catholic here.

>>130131330
well i dont know what to tell you anon, i like men, want a sex life

still dont see why being gay in and of itself is wrong aside from people saying it just is
>>130131541
i just want a man to love and to be able to love a man i find it hard to believe thats evil or sinful. people would rather gays be miserable and lonely instead of just finding happiness in each other

>>130126059
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

>>130131541
>I'm not going to say that I'm a "born masturbator" and my vice should be accepted as an intrinsic part of my being. That's what so-called "gay" people seem to be doing.
This so much.
The other anon that insists that his actions should be seen as ok because he "didn't choose to be that way" is wrong for this reason
To reiterate; homosexuality is sexual sin like any other, just because our society is doing its best to set it aside from other (in terms of it being a worse sin or sinless) makes no difference to that

>>130124384
Redpilled.

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>>130131753
Look at it this way, if God thought that homosexuality was wrong surely he would have created some debilitating disease that punishes you until a horrible untimely death as you lay there withered away to nothing.

>>130131045
Part of the reason monks and nuns are viewed as more devout and dedicated to God are because they take those and many other, acetic practices. Expecting an average person, to especially a life of chastity is kinda unrealistic.

>>130131306
> im not helping you find out your glaring misquote on that

You could have just corrected me and clarified since you knew exactly what I meant, and that I'd go look it up myself:

>"'Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard."


And ask you if you think cutting the hair on the sides of your head or the edges of your beard are sins. Do you believe it's a part of God's law that should be followed? Not trying to trip you up, I'm honestly curious, because I don't know any modern Christians who actually make an attempt to follow the esoteric shit in Leviticus like this.

>and this is a problem why? I don't, its disgusting, you can't wait a week?

I just said contact, and the verse only specifies touch. I suppose it could be using touch as a euphemism for sex, but I thought it meant you couldn't physically touch a woman on her period at all.

>>130131753
>people would rather gays be miserable and lonely instead of just finding happiness in each other
Why are you strawmaning this hard? No one has said that.

>still dont see why being gay in and of itself is wrong aside from people saying it just is
Do you care about God's wishes and scripture or not?
We're talking from a Christian perspective here remember

>>130131949
>Expecting an average person
All are created equal in the eyes of God.
Also, I was only using that as an example.

>>130131949
OK fine, certain cults trimmed and shaved their hair in a certain manner to affiliate themselves with idols and false prophets.
Muslims for more modern example.

>>130131868
>even masturbation is wrong

everything is a sin it seems.
>>130131944
>implying its a gay disease when millions of straights in africa and round the world have it
>>130132005
thats pretty much what you want and expect
God can be unreasonable at times or say some weird things i mean promoting slavery, murder are just a few

>>130131753

You think you would be happier giving in to your lust, but you would be a lot happier in a traditional chaste marriage, to a loving woman and with a large family.

If you think you can find happiness in that lifestyle, try it.

It just seems to me like having a partner of the same sex would be a disordered relationship at its core.
It would be like if a man married a woman specifically because she had large breasts. It would be a bad relationship because a large part of the attraction was just for one attribute. Sure, there could be love there, but it would still be an unhealthy relationship.

Similarly, you want to fall in love with someone just because they are a man, they are masculine, and you are attracted to that.
That's what same sex relationships seem to be about for me.

>>130132160
I didn't realise I was talking to a mind reader. I guess there's no point continuing this if you already know my beliefs and intentions.
Peace, fucker.

>>130131753
>i find it hard to believe thats evil or sinful

It's an abomination because it's a corruption of the created purpose of man. It is observably against natural purpose (logos) and inconvenient.

: ^ (

>>130132160
>>implying its a gay disease
It spreads amongst the filthy lust filled
Sometimes it spreads to innocents, that's why aids infested people should be left untreated and abandoned to Gods will.
Sounds harsh but it would be mercy of us to leave them all to perish instead of helping them.

>>130124038
If youre an active homosexual especially an unashamed public one and especially especially an unrepentant one then you have no place in a church or in Heaven.

>>130132160
>>implying its a gay disease when millions of straights in africa and round the world have it


god punishes the fornicators and the degenerates with aids , no real christian would get aids

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>>130132206
why give a woman a fake relationship or try to be something im not? thats lying

theres many things about a man that id love and cherish not just his dick

straight people have issues of their own its not just gays

huh its almost like thats the reason men fall in love with women and not men?
>>130132297
bye
>>130132367
so is in vitro fertilization but thats ok cause its straight huh

>>130132387
its a disease for whores i agree, many gays happen to be whores
>>130132430
nuke yourself
>>130132434
a real "God of love"

>>130131330
>So are straight thoughts and desires outside of marriage.
>The point isn't just whether or not you carry out the action, it's whether you recognise them as wrong and want to improve

That's the thing though. Straight people who have impure thoughts actually have a pure outlet for those thoughts. They even have a means to improve since they can try to only think about sex in a marital context.

Faggots aren't afforded that luxury. The way you put it, they're forced to consider any thoughts, thoughts that may even be pure for a straight person to have, as wrong. And there really isn't a way to improve on that except for to try not to think of it, which I've already argued is impossible.

>The whole point of challenges in life is to temper our souls and, frankly, homosexuality in a Western country ain't all that difficult (apart from the people who insist on its virtues)

I wouldn't reduce being gay to just a challenge one can live with, if one of the core parts of their being is so fucked from the start. It's like being born with extra Original Sin.

>>130132099
>All are created equal in the eyes of God.

Then is faggotry so big a sing that they can't be Christians?

>>130132111
>certain cults trimmed and shaved their hair in a certain manner to affiliate themselves with idols and false prophets.

So you're saying that that rule is ok for people today not to follow today because of its historical context? Just checking, don't want to misrepresent you.

>>130125727
Papal infallibility doesnt mean what you probably think it means.

>>130132160
>even masturbation is wrong
Correct

"But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman [or man] with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart." (Matthew 5:28)

“Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.” - 1 Corinthians 6:18

I made a covenant with my eyes not to look with lust upon a girl. I know full well that the Almighty God sends calamity on those who do. Job 31:1-3

etc

>>130123471

confirmed

>>130132592
Your assumption in the first part is that homosexuality is a fixed mental state

And I never said gays can't be Christians, just that practising homosexuality is sinful

>>130132592
>Faggots aren't afforded that luxury. The way you put it, they're forced to consider any thoughts, thoughts that may even be pure for a straight person to have, as wrong. And there really isn't a way to improve on that except for to try not to think of it, which I've already argued is impossible.
>I wouldn't reduce being gay to just a challenge one can live with, if one of the core parts of their being is so fucked from the start. It's like being born with extra Original Sin.

put it better than i couldve

>>130132759
>implying no one has masturbated

>>130132809
gay conversion and praying away the gay has never worked and anyone who says it does is only repressing their desires. you always find out these people are busy sucking dick in secret

>>130132554

You would be giving a man a fake relationship.
You would be lying to yourself if you think you could ever be as happy in a relationship with a man as a relationship with a woman.

Traditional relationships are the norm. They are the natural order. Only in them can two people come together and create new life.
Same sex relationships are a deviancy from the norm. And they only involve objectification, concupiscence, and in the end, loneliness and unfulfillment.

Being in a traditional relationship doesn't automatically protect you from the above, but you just can't find fulfillment in a same sex relationship.

>>130132809
>Your assumption in the first part is that homosexuality is a fixed mental state

Isn't it? I assume my heterosexuality is, because I don't think there are any circumstances under which I'd be sexually attracted to a man.

>>130132976
>australian
>telling other people what they can and can't do and where they can and can't find fulfillment

does anyone find this as hilarious as i do...like bro you don't even live in the actual world lol

>>130132592
So long as you aren't cutting your hair because it is part of some occult requirement or bastardised Christian sect or with a means to align yourself with a popstar/actors fashion because that too would be idolatry.

Women should also not cut their hair short and cover their heads when praying.
Something Muslims took to the extreme when they bastardised the Bible for their own cult.

>>130132999
Conceivability does not equal possibility. Just because you don't think you could become gay doesn't mean you couldn't slip to it. Being cognisant of it as a sin (as well as already attempting to form straight relationships) tempers you against that, though.
Unfortunately a lot of people develop homosexual thoughts in their early years before they have a chance

>>130132976
nah id be giving him a very real me
i have no interest in women and idk how straights can even stand them let alone find a vagina pleasurable or pretty

alot of things that are the norm are bad, norms are simply occurances of what is common not necessarily whats good
i dont want kids big deal even some heteros dont want kids

you say this as a straight person you know nothing of being gay

>>130132554
>a real "God of love"

I dont get aids i love aids, aids is a blessing and for you a curse , god cannot be the god of love for all

>>130133220
>i have no interest in women and idk how straights can even stand them
I think we've found the starting point regarding the reasons for your homosexuality

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>>130123471
>>130123484
>>130123500
>>130123513
>this level of heresy
What went wrong

>>130132826
>implying no one has masturbated
It's one thing to give in and sin its another thing to expect to do it a lot and expect not to be caught by the devil then beg for mercy.
God listens to the most devout first, the least devout waits in line.
It's like stealing a loaf of bread when you are starving is different from stealing a loaf of bread because you are peckish or wish to enjoy the bread or sell it.

>>130133176
>Conceivability does not equal possibility. Just because you don't think you could become gay doesn't mean you couldn't slip to it.

This makes sense, but still strikes me as wrong.

>>130123471
lel no you cant

>>130132434
>no real christian would get aids

Blood transfusions.

>>130133293
Where God is not welcomed the Devil shall use as his playground.
This is what happens when people decide to cherry pick the Bible and make excuses for sin.

>>130133289
yeah its called being gay i dont expect you to find men attractive or wanting to spend the rest of your life with one

>>130133349
Probably because you're convinced of the myth of "born gay" that's had a very successful propaganda campaign for itself over the last few decades

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>>130123513
>tfw the city is literally called Sodom

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ROMANS 1:26-32
GOD REJECTS THEM. THEY ARE FILTHY REPROBATES. GOD DESTROYED 2 FUCKING CITIES BECAUSE THEY'RE FAGS.

>>130133491
Saying "Idk how straights can even stand them" doesn't strike me as a healthy attitude toward women, is my point

>>130133408

>Implying they dont test this.

>>130133408
That's a rarity but its a risk you take playing God.
I am not against transfusions as the risk vs reward is tipped in the favour of unselfish reward.
The Jehovas Witnesses however are against transfusions because they don't use common sense of risk reward and factoring in verses or Bible study, they just take one line from the Bible and stick with it.

>>130132592

Again, this goes along with the theory that attraction to certain genders is rigid and unchanging, unlike other attractions which can evolve and change.

But yes, people going through same sex attraction should hold off on their desires and practice chastity. They are called to chastity. Because everyone is called to chastity.

Single Christians need to practice chastity. They can't give in to their desires to fornicate or masturbate. Even married Catholics need to practice chastity. NFP is having sex within the context of chastity. Married Catholics need to quieten their desires to commit adultary.

Heck, even secular people practice chastity. Married secular men who fall out of love with their wives and are in sexless marriages need to supress their desires to cheat on their partners. Military men and their wives need to practice chastity on long postings.

See chastity isn't this bizarre, otherworldly practice peculiar to the religious. It's only that religious people have a more structured, ordered view of chastity as they recognize that it is fundemental for a spiritually healthy life and society.

Our hope is that people with same sex attractions weather out their desires and end up in a traditional relationship or finding peace otherwise.

>>130132554
>so is in vitro fertilization
I mean, it's kind of grey but it still falls in line with the male female creation of life paradigm

normal sex is obviously preferable if fertilization is possible that way

in vitro fertilization definitely fills a more natural role than men spewing cum in each other's anuses

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>>130123500
YEAH THE ONES LETTING THEM IN FUCKING ARE CORRUPT. GOD REJECTS SO WHY THE FUCK SHOULD I ACCEPT THEM.

>>130133575
modern women are not the women they use to be theyre gays at this point also i dont even hang out with other gays or immerse myself in gay culture since i cant stand them either so dont think its woman hating

>>130133581
>fuckups dont happen
You obviously werent around in the 80s

>>130133694
because i mean you no harm and just want to live my life in peace
>>130133673
debatable but its still unnatural and was protested by many in its early years for being such

>>130133491
Some people are attracted to children too.
Some attracted to animals.
Some attracted to their cars even.
Give it time and you will have LGBTTQQIABPHO and so on to cover all sexual deviance and excuses.
Oh and you will still think God is on your side.
Spoiler: He isn't, you belong to the Devil in my opinion but I am not here to judge, just as a warner.

>>130133735
You strike me as oddly conflicted and possibly a little self-loathing regarding issues surrounding homosexuality and women
Just my two cents

>>130123471
No you can't. Bible is pretty clear on this issue and it's even worse than the Holy Quran. That's why I believe in the deportation of all christian barbarians from the West.

Homosexuality is a sin, but Christ said "let he, who is without sin cast the first stone". I've yet meet an single non sinner, and I somehow doubt I will on 4 chan. kek

>>130123513
I was following right along up till this point.

The actual story behind the destruction of Sodom involved an angel visiting the one decent family to warn them to leave - some homos then surrounded their house and demanded the family hand the angel over (not knowing what the being was - just thinking it was a stranger) so they could gang rape him.

I don't think it was entirely about homos, but I do think the depravity alluded to included them.

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>>130126824
>Hasn't read Romans 4 or Galtians 3
James 2 is justified to man

Galatians
2:16/21
>16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
>21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

3:6-11
>6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
>11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

5:4-5
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

>>130123705
stfu fucking leafs

>>130128675
But there are none.

>>130123471
whos the (((author)))

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>>130126824
Please read Romans 3 and James2:10
also
1 John 5
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
1 John 3
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Romans 4
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

>>130133293
dont see the issue here

a gay can be a christian much like a murderer, thief or adulterer

but its the act of seeking forgiveness and changing yourself to be less sinful which is key

>>130125537
>537▶>>130125727 >>130130377
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Idol worship is one of the top ten worst sins as stated by God.

>>130133846
children cant consent to sex
neither can animals, they arent even human
its a fucking innanimate object

im literally evil for liking what women like?
God loves everyone, youre just hateful
jesus didnt even have something to say about being gay guess it didnt matter to him

>>130133953
everyone sins even i get that. no ones perfect but for fucks sake i just want to be happy and left alone

>>130134101
ill still be gay

I pray twice a day and I go to church, I'm Catholic and I'm gay.

Being gay is not a choice - it's to do with genetics and so I believe God made me this way.

>>130133735
So you now realise you have gone down the slope and what awaits you is a pit of degeneracy and lost souls.
It's not to late to repent, just remember that, Jesus loves you.....not in that way.
Throw the dildo and the buttplugs away, pick up your Bible, stop following the Sodomites to hell and just accept you have been given a difficult test in life, some people fight being a paedophile and go through life with nobody ever finding out and no child being hurt, they make every effort to avoid contact with children and avert their eyes.
If you have to take a vow to never give in to your urges, the Devil will test you and God will be waiting, just pray and pray until the gay thoughts go away.
And no don't go for any of that stupid 'conversion' therapy, there is no such a thing.
If it comes down to it speak to your doctor about tablets to help you fight urges, I don't approve of an easy option but if you are weak then hey, we all need a helping hand some times.....not that way.

>>130126729
God didn't make you gay. The man who molested you did that.

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>>130133832
ROMANS 1:26-32
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

GET IFF MY BOARD REJECT. GOD MADE YOU A FAG SO WE LNOW TO KILL YOU.

>>130134235
>>130134207
willingly committing sin is not good.

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>Protestants

>>130134235
>it's to do with genetics and so I believe God made me this way.

Sin made you this way


>1As Jesus was passing by, He saw a man blind from birth. 2His disciples asked Him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” 3Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but this happened that the works of God would be displayed in him.…

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>>130134235
read Romans 1:26-32
also here is the definition of reprobate

>>130134207
Perhaps those who won't leave you alone, aren't doing so because they're Christians, rather they're doing so because they're self righteous, much like those who do not wish to leave Christians alone.

>>130127523
No one is claiming that there are not straight pedos. The point is that when small children are molested it forms their sexual identity too early.

That is why children who are abused usually are caught touching other kids.

It's unhealthy regardless of the orientation of the adult, but it really fucks the little boys up when it is a man abusing them.

>>130126729
You were a degenerate so God gave you to a reprobate mind

>>130124329
You can and then right after you confess.
And then you do it,then confess,you do it,and confess,do it,and confess.
It's same all over and it's fine.
Even if you kill people and confess and ask for forgiviness you are fine.
It's a trick and it's funny how no one understands it.

>>130127756
Which is retarded, because everyone is actively sinning most of the time. Even if it is in some minor way.

>>130134334
It is not willingly committed. The only way one of my basic needs, sexual, is satisfied by looking at the same sex as mine, and doing things with the same sex as mine.

Females do not and have never turned me on.
>>130134403

>>130134573
>doesn't realize why your gay
Romans 1:26-32

>>130134007
of course you're not justified by works, but obviously grace is not a license to sin either

11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?


>whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

>>130134207
Well some people have a lust to eat meat and some want to be eaten.
Some people have a lust to drink blood and some want their blood to be drank.
It doesn't mean "oh well two consenting adults, must be fine".

>evil for liking what women like
you're not evil, you have been given a test, the lust is the evil not you, some people have an urge to kill, you can either give in to it or fight it and ask for help.
>God loves everyone
So does the Devil, depends whom you serve and what your understanding of love is.
>you're just hateful
then ignore my warnings
>Jesus didn't have anything to say about being gay
what is the gospel of Jesus? Very little of his actual words were covered in the Bible, he did however state clearly he wasn't here to abolish the old laws he was there to ... I'm repeating myself, you are choosing not to absorb the information at this point because you don't like it.

>>130134704
>Comparing something harmless like two gay people having sex to literal murder where someone ends up DEAD
Non-logic

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it must be easy to not deal with this and just talk about how wrong it is and how gays should just turns straight or become celibate. im still waiting to hear why it is wrong besides "MUH FEELS" and "CAUSE IT JUST IS"

>>130134671
Yes we should do works and if we do good ones we will be greater on new earth after we judged at The Great White Judgement

>>130134007

They are talking about the jewish law (sabbath, circumcision...) but in the bible clearly states that only faith is not enough.

I mean, it's pure logic. How can someone have faith and still kill and rape children?

>>130133832
>(Romans 1:26) That is why God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for both their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature;

>(Romans 1:27) and likewise even the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males, working what is obscene and receiving in themselves the full recompense, which was due for their error.

>(Jude 7) So too Sod′om and Go·mor′rah and the cities about them, after they in the same manner as the foregoing ones had committed fornication excessively and gone out after flesh for unnatural use, are placed before [us] as a [warning] example by undergoing the judicial punishment of everlasting fire.

>(Genesis 19:5) And they kept calling out to Lot and saying to him: “Where are the men who came in to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have intercourse with them.”

>(Leviticus 18:22) “‘And you must not lie down with a male the same as you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable thing.

>(1 Corinthians 6:9) What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men,

>(1 Timothy 1:10) fornicators, men who lie with males, kidnappers, liars, false swearers, and whatever other thing is in opposition to the healthful teaching

>(2 Peter 2:6) and by reducing the cities Sod′om and Go·mor′rah to ashes he condemned them, setting a pattern for ungodly persons of things to come;.....
>(2 Peter 2:10) especially, however, those who go on after flesh with the desire to defile [it] and who look down on lordship. Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble at glorious ones but speak abusively,

It's written all over the Bible that homosexuality is an abomination equivalent to bestiality, kidnapping, murder, child sacrifice, etc.

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>>130134824
Murders can be saved reprobates can't

>>130134573
>because everyone is actively sinning most of the time

offcoure it is a nigger
>8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

>>130134570
That's not how it works.
The hell will be full of faggots who watched "Dogma".

>>130134824
Murder is a deadly sin as is Lust.
Who are you to put them in a hierarchy?

>>130134920
John 3:36King James Version (KJV)
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not
>he that believeth

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>>130123471
>>130123484
>>130123500
>>130123513
Christianity is inherently gay as fuck. Swallow the islampill.

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>>130134658
>lusting after the only thing i find attractive is wrong
>so is thinking about it
>masturbation is a sin
>expecting us not to sin anyways and fuck up regardless

im a piece of shit and i admit it there happy? im a human not a robot. none of you give a fuck though since were on the same level as pedos for you

>>130135000
>being in a loving homogenous relationship with another person
>lust

Choose one.

>>130134658
it's not a need

you won't die from abstaining from fucking a man in the ass

>>130134662
Romans 1 is not proof that all homosexuals, or the one in question here is necessarily reprobate

>>130134235

>God made me this way.

The problem with this thinking is, how far can you take it?
Could you apply that to murderers as well?
Most of us won't ever struggle with the sin to commit murder, but for those that do, could it be said that God made them murderers?

Or to use my example from before. I struggle with masturbation while many people don't. Could it be said that God made me a masturbator and I don't have to change?

We are all called to practice chastity and temperance, even if it becomes difficult.

>>130134207
>God loves everyone
But do you return that love?

It seems like you are too involved in your worldly passions to love God. To involved in chasing after false happiness to be a little introspective.

You are right.
God loves everyone.
Life isn't about trying to get God to love us, it's about trying to return that love through our thoughts, actions, and obedience to him.

And I'm concerned because you seem to have grown torpid in your quest by giving in to these empty passions.

>>130135063
because you are fucking pedo's for the most part. you should be celibate.

>>130134570
>he doesn't know what is a sin against the holy spirit

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So, if gays get apparently "force" themselves to become straight, does that mean straight people can force themselves to become gay? How long would it take you to stop liking the vag?

>>130135090
Yes choose ONE!
I don't think you know what lust means.

>>130135063
>maturbation is a sin
No, there is zero scripture on that

>>130135063
Dude chill I'm on your side..

>>130126729
your mentally ill and probably where molested as a child

God has nothing to do with it, just like reproduce if your white and bury it

>>130127072
Raping and murder is just part of who I am. You can't stop me so why try?

>>130135161
I know you dont believe this but bi-sexuals turn people gay all the time. its their game.

>>130135161
who told you that you would ever be 'fixed'
you could probably condition the mind or live a lie but you can't hide from God for he knows all and sees all.

Does anyone have the OP pic saved from that thread that 404'd with the guy wearing makeup? I need it for a school project I'm doing.

Also OP, debating this is pointless. The standards of culture are so chamged it's impossible for us to truly grasp concrete biblical concepts. I for on support Roman gay. That is, fooling around a bit is fine as long as you're safe about it and still marry a woman and raise a family.

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>>130134926
>God equates being gay with rape, murder, harming a child, and sex with animals

im starting to think (((someone))) had a motive when writing this.

>>130135164
Yes there is
Another person living in denial

>>130134207
>jesus didnt even have something to say about being gay guess it didnt matter to him

(Matthew 10:15) Truly I say to YOU, It will be more endurable for the land of Sod′om and Go·mor′rah on Judgment Day than for that city.

(Luke 10:12) I tell YOU that it will be more endurable for Sod′om in that day than for that city.

Jesus believed Sodom and Gomorrah were actual historical events where his father killed all degenerates for being homosexuals. In fact, there is reason to believe that before Jesus came from heaven, Jesus himself collaborated in the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah as an angel.

>>130135127
Being gay isn't a choice.

Stop ignoring scientific proof and read up on it.

If it isn't a choice then truthfully God wanted me this way and this is the way I am.

>>130135315
prove it

the closest one is pulling when fucking your wife

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>>130135263
You have made up your mind.
You may leave now.
I will still pray for you but I have a feeling you have already locked yourself out of the Lords kingdom.

>>130126729
>have a chance to live ENDLESS life in heaven after death if you follow God's commandments
>ignore it because you live miserable life for about 60 years, which is literally nothing in comparision to eternity

>>130135251
Bisexuals are true degenerates. They're all sluts
who sleep around and spread their STDs to both women and men.

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>>130135380
He made you gay because you were a degenerate
romans 1

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>>130124329
>tfw gay but never had a bf or done anything sexual with anyone so I get to go to heaven for being the biggest loser ever

>>130135263
because gay isn't the same thing as carrying out gay acts

those translations with laundry lists of sin can be substituted with sin in general


0 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

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>>130135161
vikings use to buttfuck each other

>>130135217
nope i wasnt

>>130135315
prove it

>>130135460
the fact that you dont even question that shows how much of a sheep you are

>>130135161
You can choose to stay celibate and give your life to God. Many people in the Bible kept their virginity to death or chose to never marry again to give their lives full time to Christ and his father. Impossible? Sure, by yourself.

>(2 Corinthians 4:7) However, we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the power beyond what is normal may be God’s and not that out of ourselves.

With God's holy spirit you can be blessed to live a normal life without sex. You don't need it, it is just pushed on you and you are peer pressured into it anyways.

>>130135063

>expecting us not to sin anyways and fuck up regardless

It seems like a paradox.

But every single believer must accept this.
You could call it self loathing or whatever, but one day you will understand that accepting that we are sinners is the way to freedom.

It is our ignorance that keeps us bounded.

So yeah. You are a sinner.
You are always going to struggle with sin.

But you struggle. You don't just lie down and let yourself die a spiritual death. that is what Christianity is about.

>>130135263
He equates it with every sin, which is why in God's eye all sins are equally forgivable. Christ said of those who tortured him, and placed him on the cross "forgive them father, for they know not what they do".

>>130133522
Cart before the horse.
We call it Sodomy because we it's believed the people in the city had anal and oral sex. They were just general all around degenerates though, apparently.

>>130135380
being gay may more may not be a choice, but fucking a man in the ass sure is

>>130135540
stop saying this

homosexuality does not equate to reprobation right of the bat

>>130135413
>>130135614
>prove it
I already did, read the thread.
You are just choosing not to believe it because you have lust on your brain.

>>130123634
You can't be actively gay and a Christian, sorry to burst your bubble, homo.
But yeah, you can fancy boys, don't act on it and call yourself Christian. Just don't become a priest, please.

>>130123471
Burn it with fire. I'm so sick of these filthy kikes corrupting every last strand of morality

>>130135625
well said

>>130123471

I suppose one COULD be gay and Christian provided that you don't actually act on any homosexual desires.

I'm less concerned with Christianity and more concerned with preserving European culture as a whole.

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7 Deadly Sins List & Meanings

Envy = the desire to have an item or experience that someone else possesses

Gluttony = excessive ongoing consumption of food or drink

Greed or Avarice = an excessive pursuit of material possessions

Lust = an uncontrollable passion or longing, especially for sexual desires

Pride = excessive view of one's self without regard to others.

Sloth = excessive laziness or the failure to act and utilize one’s talents

Wrath = uncontrollable feelings of anger and hate towards another person

>>130135380

What studies?

What is intuitive, and what my own experiences are, is that sexuality is constantly evolving and changing through life, and is affected by reinforcement and conditioning.

>>130134846
>"MUH FEELS" and "CAUSE IT JUST IS"

I mean, you could say the same about sex before marriage. Homosexuality and sex before marriage are sins because they degenerate yourself and society.

>chastity is hard

Short story: they did a studie about children and candies. They put one candy in front of the children and they told them "You can eat it now or wait 10 minutes and I will bring you a bag full of candies". What would have you done?

Anyway, also the basic law of any human is to reproduce, and you can't with your partner.

>>130135263
This was written before (((they))) existed. Those verses were laid about by Moses, Paul, and Peter. Quit trying to excuse yourself.

>>130135786

Actually depending on what sort of Christian, or how hypocritical you are willing to be, I suppose one could even be a Christian AND engage in homosexual acts.

Some kinds of Christians believe that damn near anything is okay so long as you repent and accept Christ before you die.

>>130135380
You know the studies form the 60´s, the medical word for it is Pederasty and it is a mental thing so why is a child molester a mentally ill and a homo not? Its only because the homos has and have till today some good PR and where with jews in Ausschwitz...

>>130135263
>another fag attempts to hijack a movement that would have him murdered for being the sick degenerate that he is
Continue, but know that I will not feel guilty executing every single one of you motherfuckers on the day of the rope.

>>130135004
In other part of the bible it says that faith is not enough. Even Jesus talked about the ones who visited him in jail, he was hungry and they gave him food, naked and dressed him...

Still you are not answering my question. Will be a rapist and murderer allowed in heaven just because he has faith in Christ?

What has sexuality have anything to do with religion? Who made that inference and why? The two are unrelated.

Quiz: What part of society has made ZERO progress in the last 2,000 years?

>>130136016
Is he still a murderer or rapist when he gets to the gates is what you need to understand.

>>130136008
So, what criteria are you going to use to determine if someone is a faggot when you go on your hunt? How good is your gaydar?

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>>130136008
murder is a sin anon

>>130136016
how else do soldiers that fought in wars get into heaven???

>>130135547
Then you are NOT GAY ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE then. According to men today, you are gay if you FEEL gay. According to the Bible and God you are gay only if you ACT ON BEING GAY.

>(Isaiah 55:8) “For the thoughts of YOU people are not my thoughts, nor are my ways YOUR ways,” is the utterance of Jehovah.
>(Isaiah 55:9) “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than YOUR ways, and my thoughts than YOUR thoughts.

God's standards are higher than mans. You are gay UNTIL YOU ACT ON IT. Not if you feel gay. Yes, having homosexual desires is a sin but that's what the blood of Christ is for. It is to cover you when you FEEL gay. However, the blood of Christ WILL NOT cover you if you sin WILLFULLY.

So yes, you can be a gay INTERNALLY and be a Christian but not a WILLFUL Gay.

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It's like you people don't even know that the serpent in the garden of Eden freed you from the shackles of ignorance put on by a petty and uncaring Demiurge. He doesn't care for your plight and the laws you squabble over are nothing but the standard variations of a dozen other Semitic tribes who killed each other over who had the best nature god.

Your monotheism was a later development and your book is a cherry picked selection of works by the powerful at the Council of Nicea. It's purpose was to act as a framework to control the peasantry and keep them ignorant.

>>130136097
Okay so he is super christian and believes 100% in Jesuschrist. He rapes and kills someone before dying.

Will he go to heaven because of his faith?

>>130135547

>Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

same goes for richfags vs beggars

>>130136097
As far as i know if he get absolution from a priest befor death yes if not ... the same as for all other "sins" (cahtholic church )

>>130136261
>how else do soldiers that fought in wars get into heaven???

If you are defending your people, it's like legitimate defense. And also you have to repent from the killings you did during war.

>>130136426
i always assumed a saved person is saved the rest of their lives no matter what unless you belive what catholics believe, they just get less rewards in heaven or something

>>130136320
Get thee behind me Satan

I don't really have anything against fags I just don't want to get HIV from punching one in the face when one drunkenly tries to suck my dick at a bar

>>130136426
>He rapes and kills someone before dying.
>Will he go to heaven because of his faith?

No, faith without works is dead. A man makes his faith or lack of faith apparent by his works.

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>>130136629
dont flatter yourself anon

>>130136426
I am not the judge but I will say it is the crimes we carry in the heart, is he really '100% in Jesus Christ" if he rapes and kills someone or did he commit deadly sins unrepentant and if so then he did so without 100% Jesus Christ in his heart.
Mental illness need not apply before you try that one too.

>>130136477
>absolution from a priest
hence why Catholicism isn't Christianity
Matthew 23:9, "You must call no one on earth your father."

>>130136016
Have you ever seen a soul? If the common atheist disqualifier for faith, is that it can not be quantified, or seen, then how is it, also a disqualifier, when one cannot judge something he has not seen, or can quantify? For a Christian, it is not our place to judge the nature of one's soul.