communist thread:

Last time I checked project and commie blocks were pretty shitty.

Thanks but no thanks

>>130123436
sorry not sorry, i need a wife to fuck HARD

Every nation that tried glorious communism has failed.
Next thread please

>>130123336
>IN GLORIOUS COMMUNISM

you will starve in the streets as your countries wealth is plundered by jews.

>>130123336
Fucking leaf

*SNIFF*

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>get a job right now
>patiently wait for future wife to finish with cock carousel
>zero impetus for her to settle down, chad gets her young and eager
>finally marry wife
>institution of marriage is not a guarantee of sex anymore so 80% chance of sex life fizzling out as she starts daydreaming about Chad again
>only advice is to be more chadlike to secure pussy
>constant competitive nature with other men inspires hostility and lack of cooperation whether succeed to chad up or not
>workplace is demoralizing for the same reason
>institution of marriage is not a guarantee of fidelity anymore so wife starts cheating fearing 0 repercussions
>institution of marriage is not a guarantee of loyalty anymore so wife divorces and has life supported by me/the system
>some commie sells me the cause by the availability of loyal pussy which, fair, is perfectly legitimate compulsion for male investment
Now how does your ideology, especially in its current state today with its current agitators who are very pro SocJus, resolve the above problems?

>>130123864
>uses this strawman
White Nationalism has failed. Next thread please.
Why would I expect nothing less than a brazen IDPol to believe any different.

>>130123336

But communism doesn't work.

>>130123999
>blaming Communism for SocJus

Blame Liberals like that of yours in your Kekistan and Peterson faggotry. We were popular in 2006-2008, and along came the IDpol faggots pretending their identity matters.
They tainted and corrupted our movement, but now the AltRight is willing to take them, we can finally discuss actual politics.

>>130124117
>says suburban wageslave

>>130123864

Fascists have lost every single war they've been involved in.

>>130123951
>tfw the shitty flags like LGBT and Commie instantly out the person as a leaf

its almost too easy

>>130124270
>says suburban rich kid

>>130124216
Alright you're getting somewhere with me.
But I want to be clear on this.
Under your Communism, once I've married my wife, she is not allowed to leave me except in extreme circumstances, there are harsh legal penalties for infidelity, and she can't refuse to have sex with me except in extreme circumstances, is that what you are saying?

My point goes out to every ideology who wants to chime in. I am the average frustrated chump. My labour is on sale for guaranteed pussy. I will fight with my dick. Does your ideology have a vector of the sort that the traditional marriage and surrounding institutions provided?

Any centralized point of wealth distribution will become corrupt and self serving.

The purpose of capitalism is not to create profits. The purpose of capitalism is to have a system of wealth distribution that isn't controlled by government.

>>130124102
Sure , every single little fact is a strawman.
Im literally a guy that fucking lived in communistic country (yugoslavia) . You think it's cool ? You working your ass off for the good of your people but you are sharing your home with jobless gypsies and niggers who are (((equal))) to you. You edgelord antifats who think its cool should fuck off , you never experienced it the first place.

>>130123336
I know that you're mentally reateded but seriously bro, if you're not getting laid now, communism won't help you. The girls would just go after the more attractive men, just like now (all genetics are not equal) probably better off to just commit suicide now

>>130123336
Communism would work if *I* were in charge.

>>130123436
Women from communist countries typically are far better looking than from capitalist ones
>socialism promotes survival of the fittest
>capitalism promotes survival of the richest

>>130124480
>system of wealth distribution that isn't controlled by government

but is controlled by banks and so, that's what you were trying to say right?

>>130123336
IN GLORIOUS COMMUNISM YOU WON'T NEED ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU'LL DIE OF STARVATION OR BE EXECUTED WHEN YOUR NEIGHBOR RATS ON YOU

CHECKMATE CAPITALISTS

>>130123894
Not everyone who opposes your views is a fash. Invalid argument . try again.

>>130123336
Reminder that Zizek is a crypto-fascist who endorsed Trump and plagiarizes articles from Amren.

>>130124532

>Thinking that just because your country called itself communist, it actually was

Communism and the state are incompatible, friendo

>>130124641
of course comrade
we can't say "our ego doesn't matter let's all live for the common good"
our ego does matter
YOU MATTER
I MATTER
WE ALL MATTER
that's why we work for the common good
we are ego's
nothing more than that
nothing less than that
YOU WILL MAKE COMMUNISM WORK
FOR YOURSELF

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>>130123336
>have all this stuff
>except food or guns
stfu faggit

If you ever feel bad, remind yourself you will never be a unironic lefty/pol/ user

>>130123336
You want a communist success story? Look at sub-saharan Africa, its communal tribalism is literally what Communism seeks as its end goal, commies have just deluded themselves into thinking somehow in their version everyone would live in modernity rather than leaving everyone in the burned out husks of the dreams of prideful civilizations.

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>>130124689

>>130124532
And yet here you are being a facist faggot, which is an equaly bad ideology

Put it this way, modern day capitalism isn't working for anyone but a handful of Jews.
>same as USSR communism

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>>130124272
He didn't say anything about fascism though. Why are communists all this bad at reading comprehension? Does communism just attract really stupid people? I guess you do have to be pretty stupid to actually believe that human nature will ever allow a system like communism to ever function though. At least it does a good job of killing communists.

>>130124646
yeah because they have to wait in lines to get food and if the local commune shop runs out your cooking your leather shoe for dinner

this is not a good thing

>>130124864
>You want a communist success story? Look at sub-saharan Africa
It doesn't appear you and I gauge success the same way.

and i want the government controlling every aspect of my life because...

>>130124270

How many communist countries are even left?

>>130124994
and i believe govt can solve all problems efficiently because..

>>130124950

He's got a white supremacist flag. Hell of a lot of overlap between white supremacy and fascism.

> Accusing communism of attracting idiots
> Using the meme-tier "human nature" argument

Are you even trying?

>>130125019
None ,because there where never and REAL communist countries ever

>>130124837
We all matter but if I had a family they'd matter most.
I want to work for a family. I want to work for my kids and for a wife I get to fuck whenever I want. I like my nation and I like humans, but I wouldn't really go out of my way for them. I cherish my community and its people, and I'd probably help do some public works stuff for them as like a you-scratch-my-back-I'll-scratch-yours.
I love and adore my family, I will perform excess labour every day I am alive to keep them happy and succeeding.
What are you going to do to get me to feel for the party what I feel for my family? Where will that come from?

>>130124765
>Not everyone who opposes your views is a fash. Invalid argument . try again.

communism is predicated on mass starvation.

Debate me, you will lose.

>>130125127
>He's got a white supremacist flag.
AND I'M A NAZI I SWEAR GUISE

>>130125127
yes idiots that believe govt can solve all their problems

>>130125248

> Thinking communism = state control of the economy

I know /pol/ is a shithole of political illiteracy, but you guys always surprise me

>>130125157
>Where will that come from?
i'm working on making a communism that will accept cultures
not tolerate them
if you're an ISIS fag to the gulag
but you look like a good man to me
so i'll say this
i'll try to make a world where people like you can live happily

>>130124831
True , cause it only works in your brainless , lazy mind. Consider explaining a man that expereinced communism communism.

>>130123336
Communism is the ultimate form of societal cuckoldry where the state does everything for you and makes all your decisions, including wether you starve or not

>>130125360
>lazy mind
yeah Lenin was so fucking lazy he actually died from overthinking his ass to make one of the greatest nations in human history

>>130125203
>Debate me , you will lose
Bring it up b

>>130123336
communism: no free market, no incentive to work harder than your neighbour, no innovation, no competition.

all of the benefits you described above are also provided by a national socialist society, however a national socialist society will also allow for the best characteristics of a free market, innovative society to be ingrained as well.

socialism is the answer, just not marxist socialism.

>>130124976
But it is a story of communism being achieved, is that not success? The fact that it is the shittiest place in the world should be more of an indictment of successful communism rather than a view of it as a failure.

>>130124102
>legitimate arguments are strawmen
wew did you learn debate skills from youtube?

>>130125316

>Political illiteracy
That is why there are so many communist nations these days.

Capitalist problem
>everything is centralised in cities
>all opportunities, jobs and industry in a few small areas of a country.
>everyone piles into those areas creating stress on infrastructure and housing
>life is miserable and you live to work
>immigrants flood in and everything goes 100X worse

We need a completely decentralised structure to society. Seeing as we no longer have major manufacturing industries like 18th century cotton mills etc..that needed to be built along rivers so that water wheels could power them etc...there there is no legitimate reason why we still need cities.
There is no legitimate reason that most of a countries investment goes straight to supporting cities. Which are now basically parasitic states within states. Sucking dry resources and wealth from the wider society, whilst cramming ever more people in to shitter and shitter conditions.

Decentralisation of society and government is the way forward.

>>130124102
It's not a strawman. Every country that has tried communism has failed. Its simply stating a fact.

>>130125481

No that was George Washington.

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>>130124272
>hurrrr duurrrr what is the war for independence
>ww1
>ww2
O'rly? this pic must really trigger you then

>>130125506

Fascism is hierarchy made political ideology. White over black, rich over poor, native over foreign, etc. Those benefits the OP mentioned would be provided in a fascist society, but only to those that aren't labelled undesirable or "degenerates."

And I don't know why you think that "socialism" as in "national socialism" means the same thing as regular socialism

>>130125127
Yes, because all the new meme flags are super serious.

> fundamental human psychological traits which are not compatible with idealist utopian babby dreams are just memes when it comes to implementing communism

With trainwreck logic like this, you only prove my point about communists being faux intellectual dumpster scrapings. Why don't you just starve yourself to death? It's the same end result and you don't have to larp as an antifa tranny to get there.

>>130125577
>We need a completely decentralised structure to society.
this
>>130125506
>no incentive to work harder than your neighbour

that's the world bank think tank talking through you. we don't need to work harder than our neighbour. the incentive to work is either the love of work or survival.

>>130124950
>Does communism just attract really stupid people?
yes. why would smart people contribute to an ineffective system?

>>130125481
Greatest country that lasted no more than 80 years. They were so great that they went into ww1 with torn clothes , broke guns and no shoes. They were so great that they let their people suffer in ww2 by their own hand. It's all great in your mind. But in practice , clueless people rise up and fuck their country up. Tell me more how great a country was with a man that killed over 75 million people on its top ?

>>130125577
or... live wherever you want but beware the pros and cons of every location... why is everything about forcing others to do what you want?

>>130125351
Okay, but even if we say I've gone and accepted other cultures, I'm still going to delegate them to my "nation/humanity" tier. Community tier at best, but that's still only a tiny little bit more labour that I'd give up for free.
When I do lots of free work for my family, it's to make them specifically do a lot better in life.
How are you going to make it so that I feel like doing that for the party? I want all of that work I do to be for my wife and kids because they're what's the most important to me. If I did extra work for the party, I'd still rather take home extra and bolster my family with it. What is going to make me stop wanting that?

>>130125360

> Calling me brainless when you don't know what communism is besides what you've been told it is

I'm with you OP, but no state.

>>130125553
I wouldn't call what they do communism. They just are, like open sores on a guy with AIDS.

>>130125642
>George Washington
the same one who didn't want the evil Empire to take the goods produced in a territory to leave its rightful owners and end up in the hands of fat bussinessmen across the sea

so as i

>>130125773
>They were so great that they went into ww1 with torn clothes
that was the Russian Empire, not the URSS

see what happened to Germany afterwards

Even if ''real communism'' worked (which only retards think is possible), it would only benefit the weak who don't have the willpower or attributes needed to be successful by their own merits
The strong will be held back by the weak who leech off of them.
That's why I hate welfare.

>>130125768

Left-wing intellectuals - Albert Camus, Jean-Paul Sartre, Karl Marx, Michel Foucault, Friedrich Engels, Franz Fanon, Theodor Adorno + Frankfurt School, and a shitload more

Right-wing intellectuals - the guy from Duck Dynasty

>>130124974
>Thinking that Women look good if they don't eat enough food

Go fuck some Africans then

>>130125481
Thinking doesn't count as work faggot

>>130123336
>it's another shitskins and darkies hide behind custom flags thread

>>130125948

This is why fascism is bullshit. You're willing to let people suffer and die because of some retarded sense of strength and entitlement over them

>>130125797

So everything we were told about communism is wrong? Like the fall of the USSR, East Germany, African nations, and so on and so on?

>>130125797
>calling you brainless because i've experienced communism first hand.
Life isnt what your boy Marx has written in the books

I'm doing well right now actually. Why would I voluntarily want to give up my freedom and wealth to the state, when there is no issue with my current living conditions?

>>130125841
>share all they produce among the tribe
>if they invest and produce something new they share it with their family even if it means no longer being able to afford to continue to make that new product
>share housing
>kill undesirables readily
I've missed a few things, but exactly how is it not communism?

>>130125702
yeah but i won't be labeled an undesirable or a degenerate, hopefully i will be a jack booted thug rounding up anti fa and anyone with pink or green hair.

>>130125725
>we don't need to work harder than our neighbour

if you live in a society where no one has incentive to work hard and you redistribute the wealth of all the hard working people, your shit will collapse as soon as the money runs out. happens every time "comrade".

>>130125948
>the weak who don't have the willpower or attributes needed to be successful by their own merits

so it would benefit you...

>>130126137
akshually, it wasn't real communism. let me tell you all about it from my white upper middle class suburb

>the commie won't even deny this

>>130125967
> left wing intellectuals

Yes. Marx etc were 'intellectuals'. Just like David Wolfe is a 'doctor'

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>>130123336
Nah

>>130126086

Yes. The capitalist ruling class, especially in the United States, has plenty to gain by characterizing these Stalinist, authoritarian nations as "communist." There is no state in communism.

>>130123336
Sounds good. I have always wanted to be a helicopter pilot/HAOL/LAOL (high altitude off-loader/low altitude off-loader).

>>130125785
The government's generally force you to do what they want, no matter where you "chose" to live.
Plus decentralisation means everyone gets to have a better quality of life within the same country, without being "forced" to move to a city for work and career opportunities.
With automation and technology advances most people should be able to work shorter hours and from home. This would give everyone a better quality of life and things like housing would not only be cheaper but everyone would be more spread out and have much more space to live.

>>130126018
it does
administration is basically thinking
engineering is basically thinking
do you think what the fisiologists of the Renaissance did to unveil the misteries of the human body does not count as work?

>>130125967
oh for fucks sake with exception of the actual communists the others were anti-coms

Conservative intellectuals: Adam Smith, Keynes, Friedman, Alan Greenspan, Thomas Paine , John Locke

This is problem with colleges today they don't teach other side, people like you believe there are no thinkers who hold conservative positions.

So you strawman

>>130126271

You seriously saying that arguably the most influential philosopher of all time isn't an intellectual? Does he have to agree with you to be considered one or what?

>>130126241
>happens every time "comrade"

so let's think a society that won't fall, me and you, what do you say? ;)

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We should do this to every commie

>>130125940
Germany were fighting on 2 fronts , russians did on one. What happened to glorious russia when russians started their advance up to moscow ? What was with their military power then ? And by the way , how the f did we end up debating ww2 from communism like war has some impact from ideologies. Russia nowadays is one of the strongest military forces in the world and isnt communistic . :thinking:

>>130126306

So now communism doesn't have a state?

>>130126414
Hitler was one of the most influential leaders of all time. Does this make him right? Surely you would agree that he was correct if your appeal to authority is based on being 'influential'

>>130126597
he refers to socialism state of a communist society
after the classless society it comes the "Utopia" of a stateless society
it won't work since humans are assholes
we need a state, an administration to run things while other people enjoy life, but we also need a strong ethos to keep the administration from becoming a tyranny

>>130126597

It never has. The First International split in 1872 because the Marxists and anarchists agreed that the state should be abolished, but what they couldn't decide on was when. Marxists believe in establishing a workers' state that eventually dissolves, while anarchists want to do away with the state as soon as possible

>>130123999
Civilization literally means the habit of living in cities. Leave it to some douchey liberal cunt like your pic related to dress it up with a bunch of vainglory and self-righteousness.
>>130124447
Not private property. If you really need to make a deposit that badly and she's that unreceptive, visit a massage parlor. There is no doubt that some women will want to be sex workers in the communist paradise.

The abolition of Private property was a big part of communism..again the reason private property is always an issue under communism and capitalism is down to hugely inflated costs and the perceived lack of space for everyone.
In short property and land are designed to be scare, even under communism. Because even under communism everything was fucking centralised in cities.
>there is zero need for centralised living or conning people into accepting land is scarce.

Everyone should have an acre or so of land and be self sufficient. If you want to work beyond that then dial it in.

>>130126597
this guy is blowing smoke up your ass, either he's woefully ignorant or being intellectually dishonest, the final stage of communism is suppose to stateless and international.

He's skipping over the dictatorship of the proletariat part.

communism is fact totalitarian by marx's own definition

>>130124837
YOU WILL MAKE COMMUNISM WORK
FOR YOURSELF
OR THE PEOPLE WILL SENTENCE YOU TO GULAG
WHERE YOU WILL DIG HOLES IN TUNDRA WITH BARE HANDS
AND BUILD FARMS IN DESERT
FOR GLORY OF COMMUNISM OR WE SHOOT YOU
You matter, I matter, but socialist party matters more, to work for party is work for common good.
DOWN WITH CAPITALISTS WHO TAKE MONEY
UP WITH BUREAUCRATS WHO TAKE RESOURCES
The value of a commodity is defined by the labor put into make it.
If you spend 50hrs to make one loaf of bread, it is worth 500times more than the shitty mass produced bread of the capitalists
POWER TO THE WORKER
DOWN WITH THE FREE MARKET

>>130126777
Human assholery can be bred out the same as it was bred in.

>>130126477

The USSR was so bad that they basically said fuck and used human wave attacks. The Chinese, NK, and Cubans did the same every time they fought. Communism is even bad for military despite commies being such larpers about their violent revolutions.

>>130126426
all societies in history have eventually fallen, all all existing societies have suffered from the cognitive dissonance that their society will never be relegated to history like so many others. collapse is inevitable, and communism will exponentially accelerate that collapse.

>>130126799

Typical conservative misunderstanding the "dictatorship of the proletariat" line. To Marx, modern capitalist society is a "dictatorship" of the bourgeoisie in that all bourgeois interests are prioritized and enforced. He wanted the same thing, but for the working class.

"Dictatorship" didn't mean an actual dictator.

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>>130126068
And yet it seems to me that before any of that might happen they'd be far more interested in forcing them to adopt the discipline that might keep them from falling through the cracks.
It's like growing up, there comes a point where you leave the nest and if you fall, you won't be caught. But as you're being raised, your parents make sure through thick and thin that you've got what it takes to make it. It's not some endless trial by fire like you seem to think it is. You look at something like the single mother problem, you see women who should have their families provided for, we see women whom society should never have permitted to leave their husbands of have sex out of wedlock in the first place. You see the lazy blacks those single mothers raise and see folks down on their luck who need a spare penny to get back on their feet, we see broken boys in need of stern fathers and church to whip them into discipline. We do not desire to leave people to suffer, we simply understand that if you deny people freedom from guidance earlier, they will attain freedom from dependence later, and that is the truest freedom of all.

Fascism is frightful and grand because it expects something of us. It demands that we actually become something. It holds us to a standard of greatness, and builds us up to attain it.

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>>130126848
eugenics. now you're talking like a true /pol/lock

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>>130123336
How is this a communism thread when it is in all capitals?
This is a thinly disguised capitalist bait thread.

>>130126914

>"Dictatorship" didn't mean an actual dictator.
Jesus H Christ you are stupid.

>>130123336
will the communist meme ever end?

>>130126389
>hurr I'll just name some economists and epidemiologists and sound smart

>Friedman
The guy who was all about setting the market free and was opposed to government intervention was right wing? Kek

>Locke
Promoted separation of Chirch and state and was a strong believer of natural rights and had ideals similar to egalitarianism.

You're a fucking idiot

>>130126914
of course it does, that's why you have all the purges

how else are you going to keep people from organizing and forming companies and stop them from farming their own land to communize it?

Magic?

>>130126205
At best I would call them primal. It's more of a pack animal function than something that could be construed as a coherent form of any kind of government.

>>130126873
but that's why government exists!
to protect society from obliteration!
we have the tools to keep this civilization going and you won't fight because "the decay is inevitable"?
the apocalipse will never happen
i won't let it happen
HELP ME BUILD THE GREATEST CIVILIZATION THE UNIVERSE HAS EVER SEEN

>>130127101

> Ancap calling another political ideology a meme

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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

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Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
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It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

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https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

-----------------------------------------
Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>>130123336
IN GLORIOUS COMMUNISM YOU WILL NOT NEED TO FEED YOURSELF, THE LOVE FOR THE STATE WILL BE YOUR EVERLASTING SUSTAINMENT

>>130127110
holy fuck nutz you're dense

i said conservative, it's conservative position you moron

Secularism isn't leftist as much as it's liberal, and liberal economics stands starkly opposed to state run leftist controlled economies

>>130127094

Try actually reading Marx instead of getting your political education from /pol/, fuckhead

You're the living example why it's easier for uneducated people to be right-wing. Most of them won't bother with reading the philosophy necessary to understand leftist thought

>>130124976
>It doesn't appear you and I gauge success the same way.
There are going to be 10 billion niggers on this Earth by the end of the century, and whites will be extinct. Seems like it is successful to me.

>>130127314

fuck marx, try reading some real economic theory and dump your personality cult

>>130127147
>constitution
>no huge cities allowed
>small decentralised villages with elected officials
>no central government
>population get to vote online on major decisions such as war
>head of state who obeys the constitution and the national vote and is only there to carry out the will of the people.
>interest free banking
>no international borrowing

>>130127314

No, you are done. Marx had no problem being a dictator considering his little ideology called for violent revolution against capitalist in a global struggle. You also seem to be forgetting the time in which Marx was alive which was filled with dictator governments backed by either royalty or revolutionaries.

What you are doing is communist apologetics pure and simple.

>>130127314
The right is based in empiricism. Marx was a retard who wrote abstract theory with no relation to reality. Dialectical materialism? Unscientific garbage from a Jew who didn't understand science, history, or economics.

>>130127608

From Friedrich Engels's "The Principles of Communism":

"Will the peaceful abolition of private property be possible?

It would be desirable if this could happen, and the communists would certainly be the last to oppose it. Communists know only too well that all conspiracies are not only useless, but even harmful. They know all too well that revolutions are not made intentionally and arbitrarily, but that, everywhere and always, they have been the necessary consequence of conditions which were wholly independent of the will and direction of individual parties and entire classes.

But they also see that the development of the proletariat in nearly all civilized countries has been violently suppressed, and that in this way the opponents of communism have been working toward a revolution with all their strength. If the oppressed proletariat is finally driven to revolution, then we communists will defend the interests of the proletarians with deeds as we now defend them with words."

What you're doing is being willfully ignorant

>>130127147
republican system, fighting age, landowning males get to vote, elected head of state, during state of military emergency, we go full fash with a dictator with emergency powers. at all other times we have a bill of rights and a constitution guaranteeing freedom of speech and the right to bear arms. free market with government regulating monopolies and encouraging competition for government infrastructure and military contracts, lowering costs and driving up innovation.

>>130127759

> "Marx was a retard who wrote abstract theory"

Lol. Dialectical materialism is literally based off of analyzing the material conditions of a society.

>>130127827
You can't have it both ways you stupid faggot

Neither marx nor engels was a pacifist, quit lying

what are you going to do with counter revolutionaries?

>>130127827
Private property should underpin a citizens stake in their country. If you don't own your own home and land you shouldn't given a fuck about your so called cuntreee.
>probably why the growing underclass of renters don't give a fuck about theirs

>>130127935
come for my property and guns

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>>130127314
>Try actually reading Marx

>Implying Marx isn't an economic Mongoloid
>Implying his theories haven't been refuted in every empirical instance, at the cost of millions of lives
>Implying his theories haven't been destroyed theoretically

If you stop posturing as an intellectual and actually become one, you might be able to make some money and assuage your sociopath impulses.

>>130127935
>Dialectical materialism is literally based off of analyzing the material conditions of a society
No it isn't, dumbass. You wouldn't understand why it isn't scientific though because you have a low IQ and probably couldn't even solve a basic differential equation. Marx was stupid and wrote pseudo-religious texts mirroring his Jewish religion, not science.

>>130127129
But that's what the realization of Communism is, one gigantic herd of humanity. When you actually take the concept down to its core it turns the entire planet into a monotone landscape with no driving force to innovate. Planning for far into the future cannot exist as all resources belong to everyone so anyone can take what they want from you if they disagree with your wisdom in saving it. No one can excel, or more accurately there is no point in excellence because you will earn nothing more than the lazy.
Communism is turning man into the very cattle we raise by stifling the dream for anything more, and that may very well have been part of the reason that the African slave trade existed in the first place.

>>130127959
No matter what you do or say, communist trash will never learn. They have to ignore every historic example of the failed attempts to implement communism / socialism to make their case. Their intellect is nigger tier - no concept of consequences or the future.

>>130128372
More specifically, that wealth becomes powerful simply by being concentrated under singularity of intent.

>>130128372
>muh innovation
>another sesame-street burgerfat
If it's not actually broken, why fix it? You liberals and you permanent dissatisfaction.
>muh excellence
You're shit just like the rest of us, and we aren't going to respond to your attempts to guilt us into telling you otherwise.
>dream
Go to sleep. Do whatever the fuck you like in your off time but don't drag us into your inadequacy dramas.

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>>130126306
Communism has always devolved into a totalitarian state of central authority, so
please tell me how China isn't a state, or Soviet Russia wasn't a state you underage basement faggot

>>130125967
>left-wing intellectuals
>>130125768
The smart people who would contribute to an ineffective system, well, they aren't that smart. Usually it's some temporarily deposed Stalin looking for an excuse to not clean his room or go find a real job. Of course the exploitation of the worker is more important and yadda yadda...it's simple. Regardless of your stance on capital, Marxism is basically a culling mechanism for the mediocre, ineffective, and the lazy. The mediocre convince the ineffective to mobilize the lazy to empower the ineffective such that the mediocre may order the proles to clean his room.

>>130129098
They were only Communist in an aspirational sense. In reality, their economic structures were best described as state capitalism, which they never managed to shake.

communism is haram and you commies will be the first to submit to allah.

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>>130129221
>muh itwasntrealcommunism.jpeg

>>130129221
This is because communism has no capital mechanisms, no state would function under pure Communism because this piece is missing. Commies are really fuking dumb to think their fandom is comprised of a working political system.

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>>130123336
Under communism you will stand in lines for hours just to get toliet roll and then you can return to your shitty commie block and eat a family member that died due to terrible health care and lack of food

>>130128784
Did you even read my post or just see words and sperg out?
You are exactly the reason that Communism always becomes pure Tyranny rather than achieving the destruction of civilization like it wants.
Both you and the Commies are idiotic angry mobs

>>130129475
>capital mechanisms
What, exactly, do you mean by capital mechanisms, outside of the context of privatization? Something needs built? Arrange for supplies, materials, workers, and a plan, and build it. That's not really all that complicated. The USSR managed to build a fairly decent system, at least well enough to work for its people, until it was murdered by a psychopathic Alzheimer's patient running an arms race.

>>130129891
It's just the same old litany as always. muh innovation, muh excellence, muh striving bullshit. Those are nothing more than the words of your state religion and you won't be swayed in your faith either way, so why bother trying to address the irreducible value conflict between maximizing and optimizing.

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>>130123894
Hihihihihihi!

>>130125127
>Hell of a lot of overlap between white supremacy and fascism

holy shit sometimes I really can't believe how stupid anarchists can be, yet here they are, holy hell lel

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>>130123336
>AND SHO ON

>>130129925
>Arrange for supplies, materials, workers, and a plan, and build it. That's not really all that complicated.

OMG I LOVE COMMUNISM NOW

you're a genius
/r/iamverysmart can't have you back you're /ourguy/ now

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>>130124917
Hang the Jew bankers

>>130130097
I see, you did in fact read my words, you just completely fail to even attempt to understand why there would be value to such things because you actually believe that under muh communism everyone would always work to their maximum potential with no impetus driving it other than love of absolute equity. All jobs as you see them would be completed by a plethora of volunteers handing out diligently prepared supplies and materials where needed, all men would be experts capable of any and every task and all would gladly perform them at all times to share with everyone.
Face it, Communism is regression, plain and simple your society would slowly devolve until you are all like a herd of cattle to be enslaved and sold at auction by the first dictator that comes along, just like the Africans, and just like them, it will be one of your own communes that sells you.

>>130131822
>muh communism everyone would always work to their maximum potential
Nope, not even. I suppose that everyone would work enough to do enough, plus a bit of surplus, with peer pressure keeping quality from taking a complete nosedive (I believe the muh Good Book said something about rendering unto Caesar), then go home and do their own things with their own families and their own communities (I believe the Good Book said something about rendering unto God), and maybe take a Friday afternoon to help clean the street and weed the city flower beds. Nothing so onerous as your plan.
>plethora of volunteers handing out diligently prepared supplies and materials where needed, all men would be experts capable of any and every task and all would gladly perform them at all times to share with everyone.
Oh ho ho. You can't even see beyond your obligate propertarianism.
Without the dead weight loss of shitty wars and useless oligarchs, there's much less to do.
>Communism is regression
To what? You also seem to be introducing your notion of hierarchy into this system, as if there were no other way of choosing administrative employees. I envision something like jury duty, actually. Yes, it's a bitch, and yes, you may have to travel, but it's important that people know their own business and how it interacts with those of others.
For those that can't hack it, the US already has a well-developed gulag system which can in many ways be used as an example of the way not to do it.

>>130132353
I actually mean primal regression, you will live in mud huts exactly like my original point.
As you said yourself, with such unity and decentralization there would be much less to do, and eventually no one would bother with the things that can go unnoticed, which over time will grow and as the wheels fall off you'll forget they ever even existed, peacefully, happily, united back in a worldwide Africa.
You wish for a completed, dead world while laughing at me for wanting more.

Goyimization provides a standard economic credit to all that contribute within society and conform to the requirements of the Chosen that is equal in measure and distribution and negates wealth in-equality, this is based upon minimum requirements which serve to end obesity and confront materialism.

Goyimization recognizes the worthlessness of all Spiritual beliefs in comparison to the Righteousness of the Chosen, that all such superstitions are equally irrelevant and a product of the entertainment industry, that which is indistinguishable is the indivisible, all personal beliefs are the same.

Goyimization offers a non-Discriminatory basis towards all sexual morals and parameters with regards to age, gender, ethnicity,species, it also encourages the recognition of the sexual requirements of others and the putting aside of personal discriminatory preferences, in this way ending rape.

Goyimization embraces all genetically challenged individuals towards a collective homogenization were no person need any longer feel inferior thus ending all feelings of personal inadequacy, no longer will physical characteristics be ridiculed or intellectual capabilities derided, the lowest common denominator will prevail.

>>130123336
There are some things I agree with Slavoj Zizek on, being a libertarian socialist myself. But there are some major issues on things that I disagree about. First off what I disagree with him most on is the idea of Jacobinism being any different than what is currently being practiced, secondly that the revolution of Robespierre in France was a tyranny and was worse than the king before him, and thirdly the notion that violence will bring about productive change rather than be a spitting image of the previous system before it once the revolution replaces it. Sure it seems like a noble cause when the rich begin hoarding food away from the poor, but revolution can be peaceful, there are methods of curtailing violence to achieve libertarian socialism. One of the best methods to achieve this ends is to awaken enough people to form voluntary communes of their own, and to pretend like the royalty/ruling power doesn't exist. Sometimes they will be tyrannical against their populace, so when this occurs the first way to combat this is with alternative economics. One way to combat the corrupted rich who hoard and commit usury and other acts of fraud is to turn the population against them with education, and to educate the population to stop being the machine that feeds the beast. Sometimes these tyrants then have soldiers/militia to execute people, to bring about fear. Then, and only then, when a government begins execution of innocent people, is violence in pure defense justified. It should be a last resort after a long train of abuses. Diplomacy should come first. And libertarian socialism should be the end goal, not tyrannical socialism, but libertarian socialism. All transactions and will its self should always remain a voluntary choice. If you want to join the commune, you can. If you don't want to, you can leave. My school is Peter Kropotkin. Proudhon. It doesn't have to devolve into tyranny, it can be for the greater good.

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>>130123336
1)There is no sex in communism. Children are produced by party
2)You use islamic rthetoric. Muhammer promised pussy to nu-male arabs if they follow him, you act similar way

They have tried to do things, such as car-sharing programs. Where anyone who wants to can drive any car they want. Just park it on the curb and let someone else take it, then when you're done grocery shopping or whatever hop in another one. They've done this with bikes as well.

it never works, because people vandalize and destroy them. The bikes end up being hoarded by people and sold, or stripped of their parts. And the cars end up filled with trash, sex stains, spilled drinks.....etc. Because nobody gives a shit about keeping them clean, since after all it's not theirs.

These principles don't work without a massive degree of social trust. They can work on a limited scale on the local level. Among a tight knit community where everyone trusts each other, people can all act in a mutually beneficial way in coordination with each other. For example, people picking up litter they find on the side of the road, or lending each other things, or helping each other fix their window or whatever. But trying to run a full blown nation off this is complete insanity

>>130133538
William Reich fixed that, with condoms.

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>>130133599
>a limited scale on the local level
such as, for example, at a tiny scale on the national/ethnic level
an moderate scale at the community level
and an elevated scale within the family unit level?

>>130123336
The problem with Jacobinism is that it became the new oligarchy that replaced the old one. Now we have both democrats and republicans in the USA that are pretty much influenced by different factions of jacobin thought, but both are ruling by a new age reign of terror. They create the terrorists, and then they use them against us to legitimize the state's existence to create an atmosphere of never ending fear. What needs to happen is that the terror needs to subside so we can finally try something different for a change. I'm ready for post-scarcity efforts with new technologies, longer lifespans, cures for diseases like cancer. I want the utopian Star Trek future. Not this reign of terror forever.

>>130133036
>commie blocks = mud huts
You seem very certain of that fact, for reasons that escape me.
>with such unity and decentralization there would be much less to do, and eventually no one would bother with the things that can go unnoticed
Peer pressure, once again, would handle that in the micro, until huge public rejections of product hit it in the macro. You presume that people wouldn't take some measure of pride in their own work, which is an odd conclusion. Bad quality will circle back to them in the event they ship a load of shitty steel and get it back in crappy flatware. The feedback loops still exist.
>>130133538
Yay for Judaism and its "old enough to bleed, old enough to breed" standard.
>>130133599
>Among a tight knit community where everyone trusts each other, people can all act in a mutually beneficial way in coordination with each other
Trust is enabled by recourse. Americans generally are too atomized to get together and beat the fuck out of whoever trashed the common car. Americans are too cowardly to be seen on camera doing it so they object to the camera. By no means am I suggesting a centralized surveillance society, but common goods do need to be protected in some way or other.

>>130124646
> Implying rich people aren't more advantageously evolved and intelligence

>>130134073
>Americans generally are too atomized to get together and beat the fuck out of whoever trashed the common car
So this is seriously what you have in mind? Mob-justice? For fuck's sake

>>130134221
>where's my daddy
You don't get one. Honestly it's better than what we have going. Seriously you burgerfats have got to fix this submissive arrested development thing that seems to be factory standard equipment, or at the very least stop presenting YOUR particular defects as muh human nature.