Communism

It's great if you want to ruin civilization and bring about human extinction?

People make voluntary actions with one another that are mutually beneficial. This is the natural state of affairs that occurs without the presence of a government. People that aren't good at it get butthurt and cry to the state like it's an arbiter of equality so they can push down others instead of building themselves up.

>>130121887
If that's so great then why don't companies just let their employees loose and let them act independently instead of business as usual?

>>130121602
Why is America better than Venezuela?

>>130122304
I'm not sure i understand your question. An employer can enforce whatever rules he chooses on his employers and they can either comply or quit at any time. The employee does not act independently because he lacks the resources or ability to do so successfully. Nobody forces you to work anywhere

>>130121887
>People make voluntary actions with one another that are mutually beneficial. This is the natural state of affairs that occurs without the presence of a government.


If cooperation is natural then it is not voluntary, it's evolutive.

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>>130121602
It leads to prosperity for everyone.

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>>130122304
They do, the employees can choose to do as they wish. They can form a commie co-op if they so please, if it is competitive and more effective then it will prosper. Hell it doesn't even have to be competitive if it is self-sufficient.

>>130123329
Look at the former communist countries and communist countries on this map then try and defend communism.

>>130123114
Its still voluntary even if you are naturally inclined to. Just like you choose to drink water, still I choice but an obvious one.

>>130123329
It leads to prosperity for everyone except the lazy.

>>130121602

Communism is unnatural and tries to fight against human nature
Communism has too much baggage like political institutions, lifestyle, world relations
Communism is violent

finally,
Communism doesn't work.

>>130121602
>Why is capatalism superior to communism?

because the people get to own property without the government taking it away from them to give to jews.

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>>130121602
Capitalism at least lets you CHOOSE to be a kike slave.
>also gives the slaves a higher standard of living

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzIRG525l6s

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>>130121602

They both equal white genocide, so they are equally bad.

>>130121602
Capitalism allows people to freely create and innovate things that have a market demand. Whatever they can dream and work for they can create.
The result is a lot of great and useful products get adopted by society, and bad products fall through the cracks naturally never to be seen from again.

Communism relies on the government to dictate what people can create. The result is a huge lack in products that people enjoy. Communists didn't even know how to make blue jeans because the Jewish masters didn't deem it a necessity for society.
The result is a real lack of useful products for the people, bad products stay in circulation forever because those are products the Government allows, and shit cars.

>>130121602
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

>>130121602
>Why is capatalism superior to communism?

It's not. Capitalism was "invented" to legitimize the disparity between the aristocracy and the ppl.

It doesn't help anyone but those who have capital.


It's also unnatural as it abstracts everything to the market, which creates a lot of tensions between individual.
On the other hand, communism let people cooperate rather than fight on the market, which is a natural human state.

>>130124495
>>>130121602 (OP)
>Capitalism allows people to freely create and innovate things that have a market demand. Whatever they can dream and work for they can create.
>The result is a lot of great and useful products get adopted by society, and bad products fall through the cracks naturally never to be seen from again.
>Communism relies on the government to dictate what people can create. The result is a huge lack in products that people enjoy. Communists didn't even know how to make blue jeans because the Jewish masters didn't deem it a necessity for society.
>The result is a real lack of useful products for the people, bad products stay in circulation forever because those are products the Government allows, and shit cars.

Bullshit, USSR had the same level of technology and goods quality as EU.

>>130124141
Nazis would have more merit if they didn't unironically believe in removing everyone else's culture, taking their land, and being their new lords because "we are tha mustardrace!"

The 3rd position is just more of the same according to your complaints.
Nazis and Jews, two sides of the same coin desu.

>>130124869
thats not even remotely true.
Even Russians laugh at some of the bullshit they had to endure.

Lada = Ferrari to you?
Lada = Mercedez Benz?
of course not, Communists couldn't make cars for shit.
And thats only one prominent example.

>>130123641
>choose to drink water
you need water
and you also need cooperation
without the society (the advanced form of cooperation) we won't have language and we wouldn't be having this discussion
you don't choose to learn to speak
you learn
you are not free from other people kid

>>130121602
Becuase it doesn't spend the bulk of its energy in a failing attempt at damming human nature and natural order by threat and force.

>>130124869

That is why so many people wanted USSR goods right?

>>130121602
yes

>>130121602
Wrong questing. You should be asking:

Why does communism always fail.

>>130124869
>USSR had the same level of technology and good quality
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHahahahahaha...ha. Good one, the only place where technological parity was achieved was in physics, and even then they were falling behind towards the end since such a large portion of their population was incapable of using computers. Lysenkoism and similar practices ran rampant throughout the hard sciences in the USSR and everything from the Lada to the electronics industry were objectively inferior to its Western and Japanese counterparts. Not to mention the constant shortages of consumer goods.
>>130125040
You need water and you need cooperation, you still choose to consume water and cooperate. Additionally, cooperation is much, much more flexible given that you can choose who you cooperate with and in what ways you cooperate. Naturally people will cooperate in the way most advantageous to themselves and their interests, not in a way contrary to their own interests.

>>130125040
The state is not society.

Commies are just so unbelievably dumb.

>>130121602
Because Human nature (also nature in general for top predatory mammals) disagrees with communism.
It has failed and resulted in pain and misery in every instances it's been tried.
Literally everything you enjoy today is owed to capitalism. It's not the 1800's anymore

>>130125586

Ask every fucking goddamn commie, even here in Russia they say that "USSR was not really communist, actual communism has never been tried yet".

>>130125863
i did not say "the state is society"
i just said free cooperation is an illusion, you don't choose who you cooperate with, you cooperate because you're in a society who taught you to

>>130125987
When the state owns the means of production, that's communism.
We all know how that works out. Great for a colony of Ants.

>>130125987
I went to Moscow last year and there was a huge commie parade on the red square. Also Lenin was very creepy.

They had cool songs tho.

>>130125863
also just to inform you the state is not the only way people can dominate other people
the state does have the monopoly of violence, though

>>130126092
But I do choose

You are simply wrong.

>>130121602
Capitalism is controlled by Jews indirectly, Communism is controlled by Jews directly.

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Sure are a lot of commie cunts lately

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>>130125586

>Implying capitalism isn't failing

>>130126220
>But I do choose
>You are simply wrong.

you choose to believe i am wrong based on what you believe. you have reached this belief not by force itself, but by the illusion of free will.

there is no free will, there is no god either. just a rock in space filled with people trying to make you into the things they want you to be in, because other people told them to be into that things.

it's mind numbing.

>>130121602
It's voluntary. Case closed.

>>130126600
*tipping intensifies*

>>130126600
I'm sorry you feel that way.
I hope that you will one day find something to be passionate about and productive.

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>>130121602

Volunteerism that uses innate human greed for the benefit of everyone by rewarding those who best meet the needs & wants of everyone. It does so in a decentralized, parallel compute system leveraging the distributed intelligence of every person in the system.

>>130126501
Its summer so they are out of their adult daycare for awhile where they learn how to suck marx cock.

>>130126575
Thanks to the Weimar Republic and people like Magnus Hirschfeld infecting the soft sciences in America. Next time one of your guys gets in power, deal with your rat problem don't just chase them off across the Atlantic.

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>want a certain product
>gulags only produce one version of product
>that said product is crappy and needs tons of improvement
>no other gulag deviates due to expedience and lack of customer feedback/service

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>capitalism allows me to have said product
>almost if not exactly how i want it
>backed by a company who will literally put their genitals on the line as insurance to make sure you have the product you want
>if i complain, their mission statement is generally failed
>receive desired product while also making a transaction that is more based in empathy and reality rather than just expedience

is it really that hard you fucking commie pieces of shit

>>130126704
i think about society, i write about society, i want to make society to advance, even with all of its flaws. that is what keeps me alive. a service to humanity based on my own ego. i want to be a hero, don't you want to be one? to be one of those men who have embraced history and made the world turn?

don't you want to be a hero?

i do

that's why i live my life like art. life is a tragedy, like old greek tragedies. we are bound to a destiny that is probably terrible for ourselves, but good for art.

we will meet again.

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>>130121602
Here are 2 reasons

>>130125008
>>>130124869 (You)
>thats not even remotely true.
>Even Russians laugh at some of the bullshit they had to endure.
>Lada = Ferrari to you?
>Lada = Mercedez Benz?
>of course not, Communists couldn't make cars for shit.
>And thats only one prominent example.

I dunno, I don't have the money to either buy a Ferrari or a Mercedes. So I'm perfectly fine with Lada.

>>130121602
individual liberty

>>130121602
capitalism gives motivation to work

>>130121602
Because capitalism hasn't killed 100 million of its own citizens? Seriously, capitalism falls far short of the theoretical utopia communists say that "true communism" will bring about. But considering that in practice functional communism either turns into a capitalist dictatorship or oligarchy or simply implodes, I'd say capitalism is the superior system. Of course, communists have only been trying for a century or so. Maybe after another couple of hundred million lives and another century or two, they'll figure it out.

>>130125402
>>>130124869 (You)
>That is why so many people wanted USSR goods right?

They are now! To this date, the only trucks that are able to travel some part of Siberia are 6 wheeled built during the USSR.
They keep on trucking no problem after 30 years!

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>>130127281
Dude, Russian cars are so bad they made a game based on it.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/446020/Jalopy/

>>130126142

Well, originally that was supposed to be a "dictatorship of the working people", not dictatorship of the communist party and state security agencies. USSR was a simple totalitarian militaristic autocracy with no any actual signs of socialism.

>>130126148

Cool. Unfortunately, I have never been to Moscow.

>>130127096
>I dunno, I don't have the money to either buy a Ferrari or a Mercedes. So I'm perfectly fine with Lada.

Communism: Fuck You, Because I Don't Got Mine(tm)

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>>130127533
Well that's the thing about communism, there has never been a successful "real communist society", hell there's never even been a successful real socialist society, and that's supposed to be the precursor to communism.

So yeah, so far as we have seen in the real world, free market capitalism has lead to the best results wherever it has been tried.

>>130124869
You're trolling... right?

>>130125628
>>>130124869 (You)
>>USSR had the same level of technology and good quality
>HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHahahahahaha...ha. Good one, the only place where technological parity was achieved was in physics, and even then they were falling behind towards the end since such a large portion of their population was incapable of using computers. Lysenkoism and similar practices ran rampant throughout the hard sciences in the USSR and everything from the Lada to the electronics industry were objectively inferior to its Western and Japanese counterparts. Not to mention the constant shortages of consumer goods.
>>>130125040
>You need water and you need cooperation, you still choose to consume water and cooperate. Additionally, cooperation is much, much more flexible given that you can choose who you cooperate with and in what ways you cooperate. Naturally people will cooperate in the way most advantageous to themselves and their interests, not in a way contrary to their own interests.

No, they where simply less appealing to the market. But where all equally good.
IMO even better since there was no need for planned obsolescence.

Also, cold war and Russian climate were the reason for the shortage of goods. It would have been even worst with capitalism, since it needs to waste a shittonne of resources to work properly.

>>130121602
Because it works

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If communism is great:
>Why is eastern Europe a backwards economically depressed shithole?
>Why did they build a wall to keep people in?
>Why did every communist state attempted so far end up massacring millions of civilians?
>Why do communists today mostly come from upper middle class privileged backgrounds and look like total beta fags?
>Why are ex-communist countries the most right wing?

>>130124873
You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>130127643
>>>130127096 (You)
>>I dunno, I don't have the money to either buy a Ferrari or a Mercedes. So I'm perfectly fine with Lada.
>Communism: Fuck You, Because I Don't Got Mine(tm)

Exactly. Nothing wrong with that.

>>130121602
They are both terrible in their late stages,

They are both perfect ways to run a nation, but human green is impossible to overcome, and they're both easy to manipulate

>>130127416

It's a Polish game about East German Trabant. You should abandon this bad habit of calling "a Russian" everyone from the land east of the Elbe.

>>130121602
Owning property is not evil in and of itself

Communism denies the basic human right to be able to own property, therefore is immoral. As a bonus, in many implementations of communism, you hardly have enough resources for yourself, so if your neighbor has issues and you want to help them, you just gotta hope your lord and savior government will.

>>130125040
>you need water
Nope. Drank coke for a week during exams.
>and you also need cooperation
I also need to choose who to cooperate. If it was after you I would have had to cooperate with useless morons that had no usefulness and I would have had to do work for both.

The rest is empty bullshit.
Go live in a comune. It might surprise you but the big evil capitalists do allow for comunes but the generous enlightened commies have to put all dissidents in gulags.

>>130126092
Simple interaction between individuals is not cooperation.

>>130124495
you are a bit wrong

USSR had deficit because companies and people were forbidden to make profit and accumulate capital, so they had no interest to work. This fact reduced productivity and quality (to balance the budget)

The only things that mattered were profit and accumulation of capital

>>130127907
>Exactly. Nothing wrong with that.

Actually there's a lot wrong with that. It's like you see a bunch of mansions and you live in a shack, and instead of working to build yourself a mansion, you burn everyone else's down so they have to live in shacks, too.

The end result isn't any improvement in your situation, and a global deterioration rather than progress. That's about as evil as it gets.

Communism is basically trying to encourage a civilization to commit suicide.

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>>130127968
My mistake, I tend to blur the East Bloc countries together sometimes.

>>130125040
>you need water
Speaking of water, did you know that Chile privatized it's water utilities with great results?

>>130121602
Because greedy and rich people are superior to common folk. Communism goes against human greedy possessive competitive nature.

>>130128288
Communism is a perfect idea, if a society was able to start out instantly with the understanding of the concept. It just doesn't work after trying to implement it after other forms of government have been around long enough to influence it

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Communists are very good at pointing out the flaws of capitalism. But unfortunately they are using emotional reasoning, rather than logical arguments. This is primarily what I've noticed separates the left from the right. Something has a left wing character when it's ruled by emotional arguments, a right wing character when it's ruled by practical or logical arguments.

The problem here is that because they aren't making any sort of rational, well-reasoned arguments, their perspective is not being factored into the political debate in any meaningful way. Ideally we'd come to a compromise system, something like scandanavian socialism. But this isn't happening because right wingers are so turned off by these attempts to tug their heartstrings

It's due to economic calculation.

If everyone or the state owns the means of production, then there can be no trade of the means of production. A trade requires two parties. Since trade creates prices and there is no trade, there can be no rational calculation.

Better allocation of resources and exploitation of market needs.

>>130127800
>No, they where simply less appealing to the market. But where all equally good.
>They were equally as good except people don't want them and prefer the Western counterparts
The Soviets literally told the Japs their electronics industry was 20 years behind. That was also why Gorbachev was freaking out about Reagan and Star Wars, because even if Reagan shared the secrets of building James Bondesque space lasers, the USSR didn't have the technical expertise to do it.
>IMO even better since there was no need for planned obsolescence.
The need was the exact opposite, there are Western counterparts with reliability in mind. I guess you haven't heard many Lada jokes in your lifetime.
>Also, cold war and Russian climate were the reason for the shortage of goods.
The Cold War was a global phenomenon, pissing away your budget on nukes doesn't excuse well pissing away your budget on nukes. Especially since the same thing was happening under capitalism. And the Russian Climate would play a role in certain goods, but Russia had historically been the net exporter of wheat in Europe. I also would like to point out that despite the massive reserves of natural gas and oil, the USSR had suffered from fuel shortages when it made the leap from coal to natural gas and oil. Why? Because central planners arbitrarily cut coal production in order to meet targets.
>It would have been even worst with capitalism, since it needs to waste a shittonne of resources to work properly.
Since Russia had never had capitalism proper, the closest thing could be Stolypin era Tsarist Russia. Had it continued on the path of his reforms, many speculate that the economy would be stronger today and that his reforms even in their early days effectively cut many of the shortages in Russia. Of course that is conjecture, but I could also point to countries such as Japan and South Korea which experience similar problems which the USSR had (technological disadvantage, poor climate/natural resources).

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keeps burocrats n other losers away from activity more
just by letting men produce and enjoy products explosion of wealth

>>130128288
>>>130127907 (You)
>>Exactly. Nothing wrong with that.
>Actually there's a lot wrong with that. It's like you see a bunch of mansions and you live in a shack, and instead of working to build yourself a mansion, you burn everyone else's down so they have to live in shacks, too.
>The end result isn't any improvement in your situation, and a global deterioration rather than progress. That's about as evil as it gets.
>Communism is basically trying to encourage a civilization to commit suicide.


No, it's about having everyone a half mansion, rather than having a situation where I live in a shack and very very few ppl live in a mansion.

There is no reason for such a huge disparity. Nobody is this important in a society.

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>>130124873
>implying we believe this
I just want non whites out of my country famalam.
I'm not an imperialist.

P.S. The free market will not fix Detroit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ0AHO-IWws

>>130123595
>rules and regulations makes things worse!
>but companies and their hierachies and rules are so much better than commie co-ops!
Ban companies along with the government if u truly wanna be anarchist if not fuck off.

>>130121602
>Lines of people waiting for bread.
>Lines of bread waiting for people.

Capitalism over produces. Thats why its superior.

>>130128525
>Communism is a perfect idea, if a society was able to start out instantly with the understanding of the concept. It just doesn't work after trying to implement it after other forms of government have been around long enough to influence it

Your hypothesis is unfalsifiable and meritless. It's also a tacit admission that, however much you might want it, communism is totally impossible at this point, and indeed any point in recorded history.

Give it up. Capitalism is lifting the world out of poverty and despair, building the engines of a glorious technological future, and producing the best art and entertainment the world has ever seen. It's the way forward.

>>130128763
The supermarket

The greatest triumph of capitalism

>>130121602
It isn't. Both are false Jewish ideologies.

>>130128749
Never claimed to be a true anarchist, companies that choose to shoot themselves in the feet will fail.

>>130121602
communism strips us of the basic human right of individual sovereignty, ie, to do as we please without external impediment. Which necessarily implies the ownership of the results of our actions - that being the consequences of infringing that right in others (such as punishment), and the benefits our actions may bring (such as property rights).
Without property rights that basic right is fundamentally broken.

>>130128749
>companies and their hierachies and rules are so much better than commie co-ops
This is actually a fact though. They are better by every measure.

>>130128774
>producing the best art and entertainment the world has ever seen

TIL Transformers 2 and Pootie Tang is the height of western civ

baka

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>>130128569
Scandinavian "socialism" is so free market that Sweden is 19th in economic freedom. Keep in mind that the United States is currently 17th, and Canada, the nation that is supposedly a better version of the USA, is 7th.

>>130121602
1) Communism separates results from effort. Why put in the extra work when your payout is going to be the exact same? Capitalism on the other hand directly ties efforts with results. So their is motivation to achieve more.

2) Communism has more overhead. There is no way to get anywhere near the productivity needed to function without a lot of government. Everything needs supervision to work in a commie state. Capitalism can function even without government oversight.

3) Communism is not reactive. In a capitalistic system, if there is a shortage people are quick to fill it. There is profit to be made in filling societies needs as fast as possible. Communism only fixes shortages when the government gets around to it. As a result Communist states constantly have good shortages.

4) Capitalism is resilient to failure. If a crop fails in a capitalistic society, people will just buy an alternative food to that crop. Free markets tend to favour having some diversity of goods, so alternatives exist. Communism on the other hand requires uniformity of goods. As a result there often is no alternatives to that can take the shortfall of that crop. So a communist state will end up with more frequent famines. It doesn't just apply to food. You can apply this to any goods or services.

5) People resent force. When people choose to work for their own needs and wants they tend to resent working less. Whereas those who have to produce or they get shot tend to build up resentment. Resentful workers don't will go out of their way to do the worst work they can get away with out of pure spite. They tend to create political instability. The only way to keep the resentment from destroying the society is to put in an authoritarian state. Communism is brutal because it needs to be. Think cultural revolution brutal. This is also why communist states fall with a century. The people hate their state.

>>130127698
>Well that's the thing about communism, there has never been a successful "real communist society",

That's simply because planned economy doesn't work in reality, especially not on a scale of big country. That's fucking nonsense when there's a special state structure that has to order how many food, clothes, TVs or cars should be produced in the country.

>hell there's never even been a successful real socialist society

What about the Nordic model (i'm talking about economics only, not their current politics)? Is seems they successfully combine the traits of capitalism and socialism, being democratic countries with free market economies.

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>>130128774
>Capitalism is lifting the world out of poverty and despair, building the engines of a glorious technological future, and producing the best art and entertainment the world has ever seen
pic related

>>130128665
>having a situation where I live in a shack and very very few ppl live in a mansion.

Capitalism is creating wealth, and that "raises all boats". Look at China in the Communist 1970s compared to today. Look at India in the 1970s compared to today. Russia. Even Cuba.

Everyone with any sense understands that capitalism simply works better. You're stuck on a stupid, unworkable idea.

>There is no reason for such a huge disparity. Nobody is this important in a society.

But you think some people are important enough to decide how much everyone gets? Hah.

Here is the problem with Communism. If you give everyone a "half mansion", some people will trade their half mansion. Now what? Society builds them another half mansion to prevent their poor choice? Society prevents the smart traders from improving their situation with wise trades? Either way, it is stupid and a failure that denies the benefits of freedom.

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>>130128988
>>130129058
pic related

>>130128774
I've never claimed communism to be possible at this point, or at any point in recorded history. Just how it would be a perfect idea.

Just like Capitalism. It's a perfect idea to start a civilization with, and it worked perfectly for as long as it did now because of the lack of technology that connected the entire world. Monopolies formed as they always will, and those monopolies will control a lot of influence due to their money, and their general longstanding with their local areas.

The best we could get is a form that makes compromises between the two, but still allows for each other to coexist in essence.

>>130124495
>The result is a lot of great and useful products get adopted by society
No it fucking isn't, the result is endly cheaply made bullshit toys that cause societal breakdown and degeneracy and a society that pretends to value merit and talent whilst the richest are people who invent shit like fidget spinners.

Ignore uneducated opinions.

It's two things - competition and less chance of abuse of power

>>130128993
The scananavian system is not wed to the ideological notion that the free market is a virtue in and of itself. They use free market principles tactically as a means to help their people. Whenever the free market conflicts with this goal, it is overruled.

That is the difference

>>130128988
There will always be bad art. It will be forgoten, like all bad art was troughout history.
For example I didn't even hear about Pootie Tang.

>>130129128
>I've never claimed communism to be possible at this point, or at any point in recorded history. Just how it would be a perfect idea.

A perfect idea that can't be implemented, how is it perfect then? Because it sounds nice? Great, I have an even better idea, I call it "everyone gets hourly blowjob from a supermodel"-ism.

>The best we could get is a form that makes compromises between the two, but still allows for each other to coexist in essence.

You mean like how in a free capitalist society, anyone can choose to live in a commune if they want?

>>130129058
A result of welfare, without this Socialist policy, she would starve to death if she doesn't work.

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>>130129125

>>130129058
I mean that is pretty dope and egalitarian and inclusive. This is a communists wet dream come true

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>>130129052
>What about the Nordic model (i'm talking about economics only, not their current politics)? Is seems they successfully combine the traits of capitalism and socialism, being democratic countries with free market economies.
See above >>130128993
Nordic "socialism" is hardly socialism at all. Hell, even the nords themselves will fervently deny it (http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/denmark-tells-bernie-sanders-to-stop-calling-it-socialist/)

For the commies out here - in a communist society, if I work after hours to make myself some extra money, will the society force me to hand over said extra money?

>>130129058
>Welfare
The sad thing is that this lends to the capitalist argument, she is like this because the state reallocates resources to her.

>>130121602
It's not hard. Communism is the single shittiest thing ever conceived. You can spread cow manure on your own skin and get more out of it than you ever will from Marx's inane fag ramblings.

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>>130129211
If people want fidget spinners why the hell do you have a problem with them spending their money on that?

>>130129343
What? How is that not beautiful? All of those houses have air conditioning, plumbing, hot water, ample food in the pantry, bountiful electricity, internet access, and cars in the garages with 200+ horsepower. All shit no communist society ever managed.

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>>130129305
Sorry we are not all jews. Some of us function best as members of actual nations and communities, rather than radical individuals fighting it out alone in the market

Pic related. The triumph of central organization over disparate ragtag individuals

>>130129271
Pootie Tang was written and directed by Louis CK it's actually pretty funny

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>>130129518
Not to mention this is all in the fucking desert.

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>>130129518
You don't know what it's like to be a member of an actual community do you?

pic related is germany

>>130129523
>comparing military tactics and technology to governmental structure
You realise they cannot be compared in any way, they are completely separate.

>>130129611
where's the mosque?

Capitalism forces competition among society. Without competition, humankind and nature in general becomes stagnant and weak. In addition, communism is based on misguided notions of equality, of which nature is completely bereft of. The only form of socialism, extreme or otherwise, that is proven to work is when it has the word 'national' preceding it.

It's just better.

>>130129611
Pic related is another capitalist society, with slightly different architecture based on urban planning and tradition from hundreds of years ago.

Your point is what?

>>130128680
free market would QUICKLY fix detroit

>>130129640
Not everything is best solved with individualism. Some things concern the collective.

>>130128763
no such thing as over production

>>130129071
It depends on what you mean with wealth, and it depends who gets that wealth.
In my experience, it's the slimy motherfuckers who get the most, while the VAST VAST majority gets fucked over.
In no way it raises all the boats, that's simply not true.

And yes, I would prefer if it was the people via a democratic process to decide who gets what instead of relying on a doped marketplace

>>130128833
fake boobs and lipo are best capitalist inventions

>>130129211
fidget spinners are supposed to help people with anxiety and ADHD you colossal retard

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>>130129446

First of all, there's no money in a real communist society.

>>130129282
An idea can be perfect, but that doesn't make it possible to implement.

And no, more of a civilization as a whole that encouraged innovation, refused to allow monopolies, megacorporations, and oligarchs to form. But also understood that it can keep an experienced unskilled labor force and a draftable military force if it takes care of it's lesser civilians, and keeps it's population healthy as a whole

>>130129758
I never said that, just using military organisation in this case to further your own argument is retarded.

>>130129742
it already is

the low rents and cost of living is attracting young entrepreneurs

>>130121602
because capitalism is more benign and does not lead to the deaths of millions of people.

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>>130129727
The point is, they have an actual community. They actually mingle and talk to each other, and have community interests. They are not all radical individuals living in their little bubble worlds.

Most Americans don't even talk to their neighbors. They pour themselves into entertainment media to medicate the crushing lonliness they feel every day. They don't know what it's like to be a member of an actual social network

>>130129787

so the basis of distribution of goods should not be based on merit but rather on the ability to secure a 51% majority.

well done Italy, stay shit.

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>>130129446
>>130129838
Not to mention in a communist society there'd be no reason to work at all since you could just take what you want.

>>130129933
my neighbors are champagne socialists, I'd rather not mingle with them

>>130121602
Communism is a fine idea but we simple cannot count what humans need, what human value and how to keep them motivated without personal gain and greed.

For now... but this all will change once out glorious AI leaders awaken.

>>130129838
go read Solzhenitsyn you retarded ivan.

>>130129787
>In no way it raises all the boats, that's simply not true.

OK go tell that to Chinese people. They will literally laugh in your face and call you a baizuo - a ridiculous cracker-ass leftist. Your NPR and Berkeley education has robbed you of any real knowledge of the world and how it works, in favor of filling your head with delirious propaganda.

>>130129853

I think its stupid to call an idea perfect if it is so flawed that it can't work in reality, because we live in reality. It is a clearly imperfect idea, in that it has flaws.

>>130129523
>military tactics and economy are the same thing
Daily reminder the Franco-Prussian War was the ultimate triumph in bottom up organization and decentralized control. The centralized command in France was so arrogant it didn't even have any useful maps of France, whereas the decentralized Prussian military gave substantial power to its officers allowing it to work much more effectively.

>>130127808
/thread

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>>130129933
And how do you plan on fixing this?

>>130130023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs2j8f7H2WY

>>130129933
>The point is, they have an actual community.

This thread is about communism vs. capitalism, so pointing out how one capitalist society may or may not be better than another is totally pointless.

The "outlandish america hate" thread is over there, look for the leaf flag^H^H^H non-geographic flag.

>>130129985
>>>130129787 (You)
>so the basis of distribution of goods should not be based on merit but rather on the ability to secure a 51% majority.
>well done Italy, stay shit.

Precisely.

>>130130053
It's an illustration of a point, that leaving things to the uncoordinated actions of a collective at times is far less efficient and effective than doing things from a central heirarchy

>systemically
there is no system of competition or supply and demand
>philosophically
the cappitalist did nothing wrong, he invited people to come works on his means of production. People made a contract with him voluntarly, therfore there is no exploitation
>historically
caoppitalism has won

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>>130130179
You're a refugee, aren't you?

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>>130129742
>>130129882
Whatever you say goyim, 95% of libertarians are nonwhite hispanics. Keep letting (((them))) import the 3rd worlders and see where it gets you. Watching your movement become more and more irrelevant over the coming years is going to be one of the few joys I'll have left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRFxoHqmvTo

>>130130151
And sometimes social concerns infringe upon the free market, that's the point. Sometimes it's worth it to be poorer if it means you have higher social capital. For example a suburb might be more economical, but it comes at the cost of social interaction.

move to a commy country and ENJOY!!

>>130130048
Because it can still be a perfect idea to start a civilization with, which was the context.

They're both perfect ideas, just different kind of ideas. With vastly different types of implementation too

>>130121602


ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY!

Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

>>130130221
A central hierarchy was useful in a time when communication was difficult, but now a decentralized meritocracy is much more effective. A centralized hierarchy lacks the flexibility and knowledge to make snap judgements when necessary, this is what I was illustrating with my point. This is why intense central planning is inherently flawed, a central committee can never hope to have every bit of information, thus the economy must be left in the hand of the individual. If the individual succeeds (which he is more likely to given that he is more knowledgeable of the situation in the small scale) good for him, if he fails then at least it is limited to only one failure and not the entire country.

>>130130048
>>>130129787 (You)
>>In no way it raises all the boats, that's simply not true.
>OK go tell that to Chinese people. They will literally laugh in your face and call you a baizuo - a ridiculous cracker-ass leftist. Your NPR and Berkeley education has robbed you of any real knowledge of the world and how it works, in favor of filling your head with delirious propaganda.
>>>130129853

Are you implying that:
- Chinese ppl have an actual idea of how the world works outside China?
- That I think good of Mao or his rejime?
- That Chinese are fine working 18h/d?
- That China is doing better because capitalism?

Because, none of the above are true.

>>130128749
So if there are no state who is going to ban companies?

>>130130095
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=791_1279223004

>>130130396
>move to a commy country and ENJOY!!
I'd like to, but the US killed all of them either via war, financial pressure or intelligence interference...

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>>130121602
Because (((Communism)))

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>>130129611
>pic related is germany
No its not, pic related is a Minka house from
Shirikawa Japan faggot, nice shitposting though
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minka

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>>130130481
Isn't this a nice view? Imagine if all the home and business owners in this picture were allowed to do their own thing. Every single house would look radically different from their neighbor. Thus, this area would lose it's distinctive cultural heritage.

This is just a little example I'm using to illustrate the larger point. That you need central organization of a collective to create something even more beautiful, rather than the disorganized actions of many

>>130130355
>95% of libertarians are nonwhite hispanics
LMAO I did not know that

Jesus Christ you're on the blackpill hard

>>130130388
>Sometimes it's worth it to be poorer if it means you have higher social capital.

That's not the debate with communism vs capitalism. The debate is who makes the choice. In a capitalist society, you decide what of your stuff to trade and when. In a communist society, a central committee of assholes does.

>For example a suburb might be more economical, but it comes at the cost of social interaction.

Nigga, u dumb.

>>130130427

It's not a perfect idea to start a civilization with, because you can't actually start a civilization with it.

>>130124869
The USSR was so successful they had to build walls to keep people out

>>130130518
>That China is doing better because capitalism?

Yes, China is doing better because capitalism. No two ways about it. If you dispute this, you are just in denial.

>>130129518
Commies don't want people to live. They want them to suffer.

The commie has no purpose in life other than to seize that which is your's and squander it completely in a fruitless and bloodthirsty effort to devour all who are inherently better than him--be that distinction real or imagined. Not surprisingly, this includes God.

>>130130673
that fucking faggot, thank you desu
may all your waifus come true

>>130130691
Take a look at Orange County CA.
Deed restrictions (aka private zoning) and HOAs regulate everyone so they can't paint their houses unicorn pride colors.

>>130129211
what's the problem here exactly?

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>>130130691
Such beautiful uniformity we have going on here. Clearly such majestic beauty was worth the centralized control over the economy.

>>130130978
The communists were anti-traditionalist. That's why they built stuff like commie blocs. It wasn't the local community deciding this, it was a central authority 100 miles away in a different city

>>130130865
>>130130978
Based posters.

(captcha: select this helicopter. lol.)

>>130130027
>Communism is a fine idea
No it is not

>>130130865
>>>130130518 (You)
>>That China is doing better because capitalism?
>Yes, China is doing better because capitalism. No two ways about it. If you dispute this, you are just in denial.


China is doing better because the US/EU companies saw that it was easier and cheaper to use Chinese slaves in place of local workers.

>>130130691
>It is okay to make housing unaffordable through regulation and poor planning in order to preserve my view
Also no, people tend to avoid making crazy looking houses out of fear it reduces property value. This is the flaw in your argument, you assume that disorganized action is bad because it lacks beauty. This sounds like a strawman I know, but when I say beauty I don't mean a material kind. It comes from a Julius Evolaeque place I guess, but disorganized action and independence is what allowed the architects to design those places the way they did. Had a central planner gotten in, he would have created commie blocks because that is what he perceived as "efficient". Or you could focus purely upon trivial things like how my view will look, but today that will put your neck in a guillotine. A decentralized system provides the average person with what they want.

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>>130130742
I just call it like I see it famalam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Pgnng3bVlc

>>130129727
The point is he's a dumb socialist twat with a shitty 24 inch front-loading washer and condensing dryer that can't do the job after 3 hours of going round and round, To say nothing of the shitty VW he drives.

No wonder the women of his culture have concluded the cocks of 80 IQ foreigners are superior.

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>>130130835
>>130130028
>>130129305
>>130129271

Also based posters.

>>130130742
btw i meant
White Non-Hispanics****

>>130130877
American education ladies and gentlemen, comes mostly from movies and comics.

I can tell you why capitalism functions better than communism, if nothing else. Capitalism functions better because it has a financial system. Financial systems are useful precisely because they allow for the price discovery of previously unknown commodities or services. Communism and really all other command economies really can't handle the radical uncertainty that technological progress brings.

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>>130131162
Where would you rather live?

>>130123329
That mercator projection tho
Greenland is half the size of africa lmao

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>>130128833
>The supermarket

Hehe, I remember I read a book about the last years of the Soviet Union and there's an episode about Yeltsyn having an official visit to America in 1988. Wanting to see how do average American people live he committed an unscheduled visit to a grocery store in Houston and was literally shocked by the abundance of goods in it. This fully-stocked suburban supermarket impressed him more than all NASA supercomputers and space technologies he saw during official part of the visit, at first Yeltsyn even thought that Americans tried to fool him and built that store just to show-off, but when realized it's real he said that in the USSR even the highest-ranked officials including the first secretary have lower quality of living than a regular american citizen.

>>130129446
The taxation rate is 100%, dummy. From each according to his ability to each according to his need.

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>>130121602
communism will take us to the stars, capitalism will just give us a hundred pairs of shoes

>>130131149
>China is doing better because the US/EU companies saw that it was easier and cheaper to use Chinese slaves in place of local workers.

So Chinese people living on collective farms in the middle of nowhere, unable to travel to other provinces, uneducated and denied any real knowledge of their own rich 5000 year history were not slaves, but people who are given freedom and choose to work in a factory to give their children better lives ARE?

You have your head up your pinko ass.

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1. Capitalism*
2. Capitalism gives you 4chan, fast internet, and chicken tendies
3. Commies get the fucking rope

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>>130131333
SHUT UP, WESLEY

>>130131333
That's cute, but the Federation is actually an interplanetary military-industrial complex determined to bring about the submission of her enemies and extract resources from their respective planets.

Try actually watching the show sometime instead of fapping to your Reicher does Wesley fantasies.

>>130131278
>shows a picture of a fantasy land
Real life? Now let me ask you where would you rather live? Tsarist Russia where all of the resources are spent on the central hierarchy and making the land beautiful, USSR where buildings exist purely as a show of efficiency, or the US where, for the most part, the consumer decides what is prioritized? Two are centrally planned, one is more decentralized.

>>130128749

>Ban companies
>anarchist

does not compute

>>130129996

Exactly xDD

>>130130028

Already read it, you retarded bogdan.
You have no sense of humor or that's just my flag that triggers you?

>>130131630
You are implying that there is a pure dichotomy here, one or the other. It's not the case

>>130129211

>the result is endly cheaply made bullshit toys

no, the result is cheaply made toys, moderately expensive toys and also expensive and awesome toys

thats the unbeatable diversity of capitalism, when there is a demand, there is a product

>>130131765
You provided a picture of a dichotomy, I provided a hypothetical of a dichotomy. The best system only has central goals which a decentralized meritocracy works to achieve. This includes some elements of central planning, but kept to the bare minimum to the point at which the centralized gov't has no inherent power or authority.

>>130129516
You don't seem to realize he's a fucking commie. Private property is theft. That includes both the money you spend on spinners and the penis you fap at night.

It's not your's to decide what to do with. Nothing can ever be yours. Your's and mine are crimes imposed upon us by the struggling intellects of toddlers.

NOW GIB FORESKIN!

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>>130131278
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06jlgpMtQs

>>130132031
my picture was emphasizing my point. That sometimes wealth and splendor does not increase happiness.

People are happy when they are together. When they have a history, a community, a people. Blood and soil and tradition. This is what brings happiness and fulfillment

>>130121602

Because it better accounts for human nature and drives innovation. It's not perfect but it does the job.

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>>130131278
I would much rather live in the big industrial utopia, frankly I have no idea why you would prefer the wooden houses with the windmill.

>>130132075
No way this goy is serious

>>130123595

>They can form a commie co-op if they so please, if it is competitive and more effective then it will prosper. Hell it doesn't even have to be competitive if it is self-sufficient.

THIS right here is probably the most powerful argument against communism/socialism


you are all free to establish a communist sub-society right now

nobody in a capitalist country will stop you

communism is really just a mere subset of capitalism

usually a shitty subset, which is why almost nobody does it

but there is actually a co-op food shop not far from me so it can be done

you have no excuse

>>130121602
Because it is simply the natural state of things.
It is just a natural expression of our evolution.

Communism is inherently authoritarian no matter what kool aid a communist tries to give to you. Communism is born out a pathological hatred of oneself and others who are perceived to be better.

The only problem I have with capitalism is that it tends to destroy the land and environment, something in direct contradiction to the 14 words but communism doesn't do any better.

>>130132163
I am sorry, the modern world is too pragmatic for that argument. Material prosperity has become the defining feature of success, but I do agree with the underlying beliefs of ethnonationalism myself. You must understand that such a way of thinking is no longer possible, it works directly against the thought processes of the average modern person. You can't dream of overpowering this impulse, instead you need to control it yourself and ingratiate your values into the process of material prosperity. You must provide both material prosperity which the modern era requires and the spiritual prosperity required for the basis of society. Central planning fails to provide either one or the other because it can never hope to fully encompass both.

>>130131278

the city

>>130132874

>Material prosperity has become the defining feature of success

Success is always defined by what people do not have. Soon, the reverse will be true: People will be materially wealthy but spiritually barren and living a life in tune with whatever deity you call God will be seen as success. Read The Fourth Turning

>>130121602
If everyone is equal there is nothing to aspire to.

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>>130133015
For real though, these fuckwits usually have no idea what they're talking about
>"look at this industrial utopia, where the people have fast travel and instant communication, healthcare ensuring long lives and healthy childhoods, abundance of food and entertainment, and an education providing a good and easy job!"
>"wouldn't you much rather live in the third-world shithole next to a river where the sewage of the city is dumped and where you have to farm by hand until you die of exhaustion from backbreaking work at the age of 40 after your family was wiped out by smallpox?"

>>130131257
You've never even read a single word of Marx.

Tell me genius, what is the explicit end goal of Communism?

>>130133376
Have you even lived in a city? There is nothing more depressing than city life. There is no purpose or meaning in technology. Living by your own hand is the most satisfying thing a man can do.

>>130133657

>he can't walk out and talk to people unless the population density is low enough

Anon, do you have social anxiety?

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>>130133657
So then don't live in the city, live in the suburbs, or the country, you can always move.

I usually find that the "paradise" of the country that people claim it to be isn't so. It's usually boring as fuck out here, and the work is only satisfying if its something you enjoy doing.

>>130133798
>wanting to talk to whores and fags
No one worth anything lives in a city by choice.
>>130133850
>live in the country
I am on my way to doing so.
>boring as fuck
Consuming the latest edition of bread and circuses in industrialized life isn't much better.

I do not think that one can live a complex city life and believe in the 14 words at the same time.

>>130134019

>all people living in a city are fags and whores

t. Rob Howard
So that's a yes on the social anxiety?

>>130133395
Why would I subject myself to that bitch Jew who never worked a day in my life
I don't expect you to read mises hopper or rothbard (mainly because it would be far to advanced for your simple baboon mind)

>>130134211
*Hoppe
Sorry I'm a phone posting scumbag

There are two major reasons for this.

1) Capitalism is first and foremost concerned with production in mind, whereas communism is first and foremost designed with consumption in mind. Very few commie koolaid drinkers will pitch communism to you by talking about the increased economic output - they instead tell you about how (in theory) everybody receives a "fair share" of the economic output and nobody is left wanting. In reality, a capitalist system ends up being so productive that the main argument among the people is why some of them have obscene amounts of wealth; meanwhile, in communist societies, you have a slow but historically inevitable economic decline at best and a state that puts up fences at the border to keep its citizens IN at worst (USSR, NK, etc).

AND

2) Capitalism allocates economic power - the ability to command labor and capital to your ends - by merit - ROUGHLY speaking - whereas communism allocates it via a political structure. This means a capitalist system encourages people to produce marketable goods and services to succeed, whereas a communist system encourages people to get in the good graces of the members of the political structure (aka The Party/The State).

>>130134147
God will destroy those who destroy the earth
>>130134211
>>130134277
>ancap intellectuals

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>>130121602
>Poor living under Capitalism
weigh 300 lbs, love chicken nuggets

>Poor living under Communism
Eat your kids to survive the winter.

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>>130121602
The social democratic capitalist technocrat and post-capitalist socialist checking in AMA

>>130131363
>>>130131149 (You)
>>China is doing better because the US/EU companies saw that it was easier and cheaper to use Chinese slaves in place of local workers.
>So Chinese people living on collective farms in the middle of nowhere, unable to travel to other provinces, uneducated and denied any real knowledge of their own rich 5000 year history were not slaves, but people who are given freedom and choose to work in a factory to give their children better lives ARE?
>You have your head up your pinko ass.

No, I'm implying that Chinese have always suffered oppression. The fact that Chinese ppl live better life today is a pure matter of international relations and not something that has to do with their economical system.

Also, capitalism needs slaves, otherwise it would crash apparently.

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>>130134477
>capitalism needs slaves, otherwise it would crash apparently.
Proof?

>>130121602
Capitalism was invented by the jew to destroy the monarchies. Communism was invented by the jew to destroy capitalism. Once you idiots fight each other the jew wins.

>>130131149

>The fact that Chinese ppl live better life today is a pure matter of international relations and not something that has to do with their economical system.

You can spin it any way you want but the fact remains China is experiencing huge economic growth and fast development, with hundreds of millions lifted out of poverty, and that happened only after it got rid of communist economic policies and all the capitalist corporations established factories over there

it is a huge ongoing *fuck you* to those who say socialism/communism is needed for success

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>tfw class conscious
Feels good, man.

>>130135045
here there slovakbro, ja sa mas? ja sa mam dobre.

>>130135203
>implying marx would look that clean

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>>130135044
>The Jews control the dialectical process of history.

Are Nazis brainlets?
Very likely.

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>>130135283

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>>130135203
>>130135343
>>130135382
>tfw there's still never been a successful socialist society

>>130134649
>>>130134477 (You)
>>capitalism needs slaves, otherwise it would crash apparently.
>Proof
>>130135045
>>>130131149 (You)
>>The fact that Chinese ppl live better life today is a pure matter of international relations and not something that has to do with their economical system.
>You can spin it any way you want but the fact remains China is experiencing huge economic growth and fast development, with hundreds of millions lifted out of poverty, and that happened only after it got rid of communist economic policies and all the capitalist corporations established factories over there
>it is a huge ongoing *fuck you* to those who say socialism/communism is needed for success


Really?

>>130134211
And... I was right. Not bad for an American education.

>>130135600
Source?

>>130135343
>most basic form of capitalism is to lend money at interest
>jews lend money at interest
>obvious jew marx basically invents both these terms
what's that? jews?

>>130133395
There was a joke here about people during communism who always referred to Marx.

Nobody gives a shit about Marx you inbred motherfucker, communism was different everywhere and everybody took it differently. Yes, commie activists were most often power-hungry manlets with insecurities, but real believing commies were hard-working, honest people who got heavily exploited.

Watch less TV, read more.

>>130135282

serus

hovnoplagatujem na 4chane v piatok doobeda, no komu je lepsie?

pozdravuj kanadskych kukov

>>130121602
>Objectively
Because it succeeded and communism failed. Badly.

>Morally
Because it does not require theft, since we know empirically that the Law of Value is factually incorrect and therefore Marx's claims of "exploitation" are false

>Subjectively
It was an ugly, disgusting criminal religion of rape and murder that never did a single good or positive thing. I beat people up in college for expressing Marxist views and I was punished for it. It was worth it to feel their teeth break on my hands.

>>130128774
>art
Modern art is JUST cocks.
Maybe a few paintings done with shit or period blood and some intentionally really nasty vulvas here and there.
But otherwise JUST cocks.

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>>130135616
You still haven't provided any proof.

>>130121602
No it isn't

>>130135682
So ra no wo to

Jews didn't invent ursury. Lending money at interest is almost as old as prostitution.

The fact that the Mosaic law comments on ursury is proof of this since Jews did not exist before Moses.

>>130121602
GREAT THRED BASED PEDE XXdddD HALE HITLR!!!1
>>130118957

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>>130135921

>>130134477
>Also, capitalism needs slaves, otherwise it would crash apparently.

You are of course referring to the unsustainable socialist safety net imposed upon western societies by communist sympathizers.

You see, in turd world countries, people have children because parents are entailed to the surplus labor of their own offspring, whereas in western countries old people are entailed to the surplus labor of everyone's offspring. There is a strong inverse correlation between birth rates and 'social security' payments for this reason. And that's exactly why western countries have such low birth rates.

Why go through the trouble and expense of having kids when you are legally entitled to exploit the offspring of others?

>>130135924
Meant for
>>130135717

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>>130135921
>ywn be mounted by a sexy Chinese lady while eating a big mac

>>130122702
Sweeden is better than america

>>130134290
This is a very good point, and it brings to mind some propaganda I saw a while ago about how even though commies starved millions, capitalist countries had starved X bajillions over the long course of history and many practicing countries. It took the time to mention offhandedly that the food to feed those people existed but was cruelly withheld from them.

It seemed too perfect to me, the difference. Communists deflecting what communism literally COULDN'T do by pointing out what capitalism was hyper-capable of but insufficiently motivated to do. They couldn't understand what that implied.

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>>130135921
>another commie meme that isn't funny
No wonder you lost generation Z

>>130129045
And why hasn't someone given a (You) to thee?

>>130135924
yeah and what does he say hmm? that you can't loan money at interest to your countrymen but can loan money at interest to foreigners. or basically we can fuck the goy all we want and there's nothing wrong with that.

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>>130136189
this is you

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>>130136189
I thought it was funny.

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>>130136189
this picture is older than you newfag
follow your leader pls

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>>130121602
even the poorest man can eat in capatalism in communism the masses starve

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>>130136183
If being a wageslave bothers you just quit your job senpai

>>130136123
Sweden has a capitalist market economy

>>130136280
Yes. Nonetheless the point stands, ursury is older than Judaism.

>but that's anti-goyism
The protestant reformation had the exact same idea about lending at interest to other Christians.

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>>130136347
>even the poorest man can eat in capitalism

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Capitalism uses primal instincts of men, communism is intellectual doctrine. 95% of Earth are stupid, greedy, filthy and cruel mothefuckers and they really like to be bastards - that is the reason why communism will never work in any large society.
Anyway, let's be honest - transfer to capitalism in Russia was more disastorous for post-USSR economic than WWII so all disadvatages of USSR are not communism issue, they are Russia issues. Capitalism is really not so good as it drawn in ancap's dreams, it's just most natural for animals.

>>130135921
???
>GDP growth is not going to be fast in the developed world, so of course growth is going to float at around 2%
>Incurring national debt would be avoided in a capitalist society, national debt is the result of welfare policy and public spending. Those generally aren't associated with capitalism.
>China is still shit
>Expensive healthcare is a result of insane barriers on the market
>College tuition is the result of an insanely high demand for college a bad symptom of a good trend
>Burgers are bad?
>Importing is bad?
>memecenter.com watermark
Also
>>130136287
>>130136300
>>130136321
This strange coincidence of three commie posts in a row all with different IDs posting similar shitty memes all joining the thread at the same time really makes me think.

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>>130136287
this is you
>>130136300
Only people have a sense of humor. You are lower than a domestic animal.
>>130136321
>implying

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>>130136123
From a ancap point of view any state big or small eventually led to socialism but Sweden have a market economy and have more economy freedom than the usa, capitalism is the motive they are so rich and free despite, not because, but despite the fact that they have a high degree of social-democracy.

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>>130136558
>>130136581
>LE BASED REDPILLL xDD

>>130136461
and still it was the jews that, through usury, developed banks which then rivaled monarchies. and then what is marx's stated goal of communism? and that's what my post said.

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>>130121602
/EWO/ is being slid

They shot a congressman and sent him pizza

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>>130136558
Communism is the new cool thing.

>>130133850
>t.never has hunted

>>130136529
yeah go dumpster some food faggot we even have chruchs giving free food to the homeless

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>>130136581
>>130136643

>>130121602
its not

>>130136617
>less funny version of happy merchant
>>130136688
>if i just imply implications they will listen
>>130136247
They don't give (you)s to actually good posts because this is turned into a commie psy op """meme""" dump thread. Luckily it's worthless here because the only thing everyone agrees on here is our hatred for communism.

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>>130136688
we can do this all day you always lose

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>>130136581
>lolberts

>>130136733
Actually it was the Dutch and the Italians that did that. The Jews sure helped and managed to stamp out the competition later with the help of their Anglo allies though.

>>130136688
Excellent comeback, really makes me think.
>>130136761
Okay friend

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>>130136781
Yet in capitalist countries people starve to death anyway.

Curious.

>>130137082
>another weak meme
I almost feel bad for commies. Still got to crush their throats under our boots though.

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>>130136688

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>>130137179
>I almost feel bad for commies. Still got to crush their throats under our boots though.
CRAWWWWWWWLING IN MYYYY SKIIIIN

>>130137082

>Yet in capitalist countries people starve to death anyway.

maybe in african shitholes, which has to do do with low intelligence rather than economic system, not sure it even can be called capitalism desu

not anywhere else

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>>130136826
>>130136894
>>130137025

>>130137082
>People starve to death
>Less than a tenth of a percent
>Literally a statistically negligible amount
>Most are due to the fact that these people are off the grid and forgotten
>We should convert to a system that may benefit a couple hundred at the direct expense of millions, especially when this conversion will actually result in more shortages
Wow really makes me think

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>>130137306
>if it's third world it doesn't count
So . . . . this . . . is the power . . . of classcuck arguments.

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>>130136826
>less funny version of happy merchant
subjective=/=fact

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>>130137082
btw your memes are shit house
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

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>>130137404
>at the expense of millions
Hold up.

And check this out.

>>130137082
Because they're fucking dumb
>children out of wedlock
>druggie dregs
>meme college degree
I can get you a job trucking for 8 months out of the year with a starting salary of $54k a year if you have a clean record and pass the Class A license.
>muh social science studies N sheeeeiit
>

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>>130137494
>Kulaks horde grain
>People starve
Thank god Stalin took care of those scumbags.

>>130137575
Ayy lmao I'm here for the job interview

Oh look, another "communist" who doesn't know what communism is

>>130137474
Commies don't have a sense of humour, none of them enjoy life.
Communism is born from complete and total self hatred and hatred of those perceived to be better.
>>130137504
>every death that happens in a capitalist country is because of capitalism
Really makes me think

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>>130137551
>It's okay when OUR system has people starve to death. They probably deserved it anyway.

>>130121602
Why do gommies gib better blowjobs?
Because gommies are always hungry.

>>130137665
>every death that happens in a capitalist country is because of capitalism
Now you understand why Black Book of Communism methodology is retarded.

>>130121602
Egoism is in the human nature.
If you don't give to someone what he deserve for his creativity and talent, he will not use it, and the progress will stuck.

>>130137413

if it is an African shithole it indeed does not count

>capitalism is bad because there are some IQ 70 niggers starving in Africa
>please ignore no starving people anywhere else

the power of commie arguments everyone

>>130137687
>do something stupid
>pay the price for it

>somehow the fault of the system
The gommie reveals his true colors as an eternal adolescent.
>>130137769
>implying shortages were not due to direct state intervention and the state didn't directly sponsor massacres