Millennials don't believe in democracy

>>130114477
Welcome to the liberal world. Enjoy the ride.

>>130114477
Worldwide

>>130114582
But even Liberals are favoring this and wanting authoritarian rule

>>130114477
cultural marxism is why. they think that with a leftist majority and authoritarianism - the get on the right side of history - they can dictate the world into whatever they want. What they don't realize is what happens when you give a Government absolute power like you do with Military rule and authoritarianism.

>>130114733
Funny seeing as how the libs pre-Trump were totally different

>>130114477
You can see the gear turning and leading to refuges getting whole countries handed to them.

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>>130114477
The Enlightenment was a mistake.

>>130114477
democracy is shit, it just leads to nothing getting done until theres an election and then politicians do or say anything for votes

>>130114733
This 1000%

>>130114477
Democracy gave me cultural enrichment
So, nah

Only idiots believe in democracy.

>>130115016
The fundamental flaw with American democracy is the fact anyone can become a citizen and anyone can vote. Dumbass jiggaboos and la raza cockroaches can vote ? People that are functionally illiterate can vote?

>>130114803
You mean like how they told you to just shut up and deal with Obama for 8 years and called you racist for questioning his policies or anything about him, literally coined the phrase "on the right side of history" during that period, expanded the growth of sex identity and gender policies, all while advocating for Islamification of the West?

>>130115191
this as well, retards should not be allowed a vote

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>>130114477
Maybe they're smarter than they appear.

The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with an average voter.

Winston Churchill

>>130114477
M-maybe millenials aren't so retarded after all...

>>130114477
Because it was HER TURN. Since the '16 election I've seen people bitch about stuff as stupid as strawpolls because they've "lost faith in democracy". This is what happens when you give kids participation trophies and shelter them. They completely break down the second they lose something and don't get a consolation prize.

It's time for neoreaction to enter the mainstream

>>130115507
Even a piece of shit like Churchill was smart enough to realize this

>>130114477
The US is a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy, you dumb fuck.

>>130114477

>implying I'm not openly authoritarian

fufufufufu

>>130115191
Our conceptualization of muh democracy is pretty flawed. First of all pretty much no one is aware of the mob rule aspect of democracy. The democratic element of the republic is to act as a check in the system, nothing more or less. Libs lately are parroting it as a rhetorical point and people then internalize democracy and voting as some hallowed thing, when it's really every bit as capable of tyranny as any other branch of government. It gives people a false sense of their own beneficence and acts as a participation trophy for the goyim for their being complicent in this massive scam. And as you say, we are far too lax in who we allow to vote because they've given us an inflated sense of voting's importance and its "divine right" status

>>130114477
This is good.
Democracy has failed us.

We need democracy that limits itself.

>>130114477
The thing is, America isn't even a true 'democracy'. It's a democratic-republic. Huge difference. I wouldn't expect those libtards to know the difference though.

>>130114803
Disagree Obama spent eight years trying to define and control free speech. His was the least tansparent Administration in history and the most reliant on authoritarian rule since FDR. Libs loved it.

>>130114477

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOk6HB609po

>>130115191
This is the fundamental problem with all democracies. Once citizenship becomes easilly attainable, it becomes worthless,

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>>130114477
Anon, Democracy isn't perfect. As is being demonstrated now, it is extremely susceptible to propaganda.

No idea what an improvement looks like, though.

>>130114477
Good, we need to be saved from "the people"
Democracy was a mistake.

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So, will monarchies, communism and fascism come back in style?

>>130114477
>Democracy.
you mean capitalism

>>130114477
I hate democracy because it is antithetical to libertarianism.

go read some Hoppe and fuck off.

>>130114477
Democracy was a lie. Do you wanna be hit with the red shovel or the blue shovel?

>>130114477
Democracy is two niggers and one white man in a prison cell deciding who gets to be the bitch tonight.

>>130114477

The demographic shift is making itself known

Only European-blooded people have democratic values inherent in their blood, mudpeople simply don't have enough intelligence to manage freedom

Also, even for us whites, I think a lot are getting fed up with career politicians and multinational companies

>>130114477
Why are the people in this thread crying about liberals wanting authoritarianism? I thought you faggots worshiped Hitler and want a nanny state to stop all degeneracy you disagree with? Make up your damn minds.

>>130116113
An simple exam between you and the ballot box
Curriculum:
Local and world history
Basic geography
Finances and taxation

>>130114477
people keep talking about the kike menace.

It's the communist/marxist menace we have to worry about right now. The left are becoming radicalized. I know communist is kike shit. But people aren't aware of that. We have to attack communist shit people won't take the kike pill but we can fear monger about communists.

>>130116431

+1 for neo-reactionary-ism

>>130116786
Yeah, that would work.
>Have an intelligence test for voters
>voters below met IQ cannot vote
>Liberals swoon and bleat because muh oppressed minorities
>Liberals pressure politicians to lower the the difficulty of the exam or the required IQ to vote
>Back in the same position
It will be a continuous circle anon.

>>130114477
It's a consequence of postmodernism. When you remove meaning from life by first eradicating religion, then conservative values like nationalism, community, responsibility and family, you're left with nothing to live or work for. The result is nihilism and commercialism, which leads to people being perpetual children or hedonistic degenerates, before they eventually turn to extremism in order to find some sort of constant, identity or meaning to cling to.

I mean, no one wants to actually live in the world we live in, because it's been culturally and spiritually destroyed by the left. Even leftists hate the world they've created, which is why they're just becoming more and more extreme in their demands. They think that the next push towards granting some imaginary oppressed group more rights will make things better, but it never does, because they don't even believe in what they're fighting for. They're just fundamentally unhappy because their lives have no meaning, and they don't understand why, so they try to rectify that by attacking the one target that society has taught them is responsible for all evil: white men and western culture.

It's the same on the right. The reason so many men have dropped out of society or obsess over shit like video games and TV shows, is because all the traditional values and morals have been stripped from society. On top of that, white men are told they're evil by the educational system, the news and the media they consume. There's nothing to reach for, aside from money for money's sake, so you can pay taxes to support a bunch of whiny, incompetent shitksins and women. So again, these people turn to "extremism", because that's the only viable alternative to a society without meaning, which has made you out to be its enemy.

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>Millenials are setting the stage for THIS to happen AGAIN

https://youtube.com/watch?v=RQVIeTLqgOw

https://youtube.com/watch?v=2Eeq0_x4d-o

>>130117400
No while there is a low iq we push a bunch of shit to get rid of niggers and minoriites.

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>>130117109
Voting for a leader is like voting what colour to paint the walls of your cage. I feel that laws people need, the moral fabric of society, is set hard in stone and unchanging for generations at a time, and that modern record-keeping ensures that crimes are preventable. The only thing stopping the system from working are the greedy and the police force - all citizens should be upholders of law equally, and the Duluth model scrapped with its proponents hung from the streets.

>>130114477
All success is due to fanaticism.

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>>130114477
It's overrated. Grow up, and take the Progressive Pill.

We, as millennials, have watched some major shit go down in our lifetimes.
>9/11
>Economy crash of 2008 (on-par with The Great Depression, but with more surplus so no starving)
>Two of the worst presidents in history ruin American ideals (pre-Trump)
>etc.

And here we are in 2017, the U.S. and the world has hit a crisis point with refugees and the growing threat of Islam. We have grown up listening to the "oh woe is me" talk of the Gen X'ers and Gen Y'ers; our parents and grandparents. We look back with disgust at the pile of shit they created of the world and handed down to us on a silver platter. Not only are we having to clean up the shit our gen brought, but we're having to fix 40+ years of wrongdoing that has been dumped on top of us. That's why you see such extremism in millennials. You have the left, who chose to "opt out" of the big cleanup and live in their own bubble of ignorance, and anyone who dare challenge them are met with hostile force. Then you have the extremist right, "the redpilled folk." These are the ones who have bought in and dove head first into the mountain of shit that was given to us by our parents. These people have hard days ahead of them, with the growing age of previous generations coupled with constant advancements in medicine, and the people on the left who refuse to grab a shovel and pitch in (govt dependent minorities, welfare queens, useless majors, etc.) The Gen Z extremist right will have to bear the weight of the world on their shoulders and pray the make it through without collapsing in on themselves. The first step was electing Trump. This was a giant FUCK YOU to the establishment, which has thrived and survived behind the smoke and mirrors that is current American democracy. Gen-Z has seen firsthand what manipulation has done to their country and their world. And under Authoritarian rule it simply isn't possible for such shit to happen behind the curtain.

>>130114477
After two terms of bush, two terms of obama, and a trump term that doesn't look too promising with no hope to fix any problems, it's no surprise people are losing faith in democracy. Especially since all the politicians are owned by the elite.

Based millennials taking the red pill

>>130120436
Good post friend. We've inherited this big mess and it's only going to get worse.

>>130120854
That's right. And Trump is going to ruin the economy by having that old white bitch Yellen pull the Fed. Trump, like W, will have us all killed in a recession and a war of imperialism.

>>130114477
>OMG I FUCKING HATE CHEETO HITLER DRUMPF
Need I explain more, some liberal was literally talking my ear off about how DRUMPF was destroying democracy. His solution was literally a military coup "by real Americans". Needless to say, both sides only like it when they win, but the left is substantially worse to the extent that they actively protest democracy.

It's not surprising at all. On the right, you have concerns about white genocide. On the left, you have people who use "problematic" to refer to freedom of speech.

The only answer to either of these problems (and many more) is authoritarianism.

Good. Democracy is literally the worst form of government. Go read some Plato kid.

>democracy is good

No. Most people are retards and shouldn't be allowed to vote, let alone hold any type of formative power over a nation.

As for millennials, we're separating into extremist camps, which is why the appeal of democracy is dying. Communism and Fascism are becoming very popular again.

>>130117400
>IQ test
I think the civic test along with maybe another few barriers. Hell, make military service a requirement if you want to keep libs out.
If you just deny them directly then they might get upset.
Give them the possibility of being able to vote, and if a few dummies slip through it's no big deal.

>>130121645
I couldn't agree more with this. People are definitely becoming more polarized. We live in what feels like two different Americas.

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Speaking as someone who has worked elections for years, in a neutral capacity too by the way, the only people take elections even semi-seriously is during presidential elections, but I bet you already knew that!

You know what hurts democracy? The fact that 1) everyday people don't care and 2) the candidates and campaigns have failed to connect with these same people.

It's not the 1% percent that's the problem, it's the 99% who don't give a fuck that let the system rot.

>>130114718
Wow ur fucking slow.
They've always been the ones who sought after rule, they used Kennedy to trick you into buying their shit. but they're the ones who shot Kennedy.

>>130122038
>the only people take elections

*the only time people take elections semi-seriously is what I meant.

>>130114477
>/pol/
>a literal nazi webforum
>wow how can you hate democracy?

Are you niggas serious?

Democracy is bad and it wasn't even until recent history that people started viewing it in a positive way.

>>130122005
I won't talk about politics anymore except with family and very close friends because your opinions just gin up instant hatred depending on who you're talking to. America in 2017 is extremely toxic.

>>130114477
Leftists hate democracy.

>>130114803
Nope. They're just open about it now

>>130116612
Europeans are very fucking new to democracy faggot. Pre WWI most of Europe was fucking monarchies.

>>130122141
>a literal nazi webforum

Why are leafs always wrong?

>>130122189
Same and I can't even talk to some family members about it. I do have friends though that will talk about it, but only a few are genuinely interested in what is going on around us.

I never discuss politics in public but for a while was voicing my opinion on social media. Then I got rid of most of that because it's toxic too. I had lifelong friends blocking me and doing complete 360's against me. It's not like you can reason with someone who has already made up their mind. So every time something like this happens it causes further tension and polarization.

The problem with democracy is you always have two smaller groups of people who have already made up their minds. These people are not going to be swayed. Then a larger group that votes and voices their opinions even though they don't know what the hell they are talking about. Last is the group that just doesn't care.

Most people I have met whether they were leftist or right-wingers are generally not very informed. They only vote based on the candidate who supports some fringe issue they feel strong about.

>>130114477
We grow up to hear parents and teachers bitch of the government. We usually see no progress go on in the government, usual nothing happens, plus most millennials avoid cspan or studying ANYTHING political and go to anything that is enjoyable.

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>>130114948
This.

>>130123111
Most people fall into the apathetic camp, especially in a society that is as rootless as modern America is. People on the whole are just trying to get by.

I have a few friends that are liberals, and they're great in just about every way except for their politics. We just don't talk about it, especially since I've secretly migrated to the far right. My observation of liberals is that they believe everything that universities, the media, and government tells them. They are the "establishment" and these institutions just reinforce their worldview.

Those on the extreme Left and Right, on the other hand, have both come to the conclusion that the present establishment isn't working at all but have very different remedies for how to fix it.

>>130114477
Look at the economic prospects for millenials, they're actually projected to face lower standards of living, youth unemployment is high as fuck, and if you live in burgerland, student debt is a massive problem. You have to understand that democracy is simply a means to an end. People support democracy because they believe it brings the greatest quality of life, if it doesn't deliver, people are going to look elsewhere.

There's also a clear rift between the rich and poor. The former prioritized their own well-being too much, not helped by increased mobility of capital reducing the overlap between personal and national interest. The poor are mad and in response, the wealthy has strengthened their grip over politics hence the pronounced increased in authoritarianism. The poor see this and lose faith in democracy, after all, why would you care to follow the rules in a rigged system.

Another point is the proliferation of mass media and the internet. With the internet, it's easier than ever to form like-minded communities. This isn't entirely bad, however there are plenty of psychological studies where hanging out too long in these communities creates a sense of intellectual inbreeding where the batshit crazy is amplified and creates polarization. As people become more disparate in their ideologies, discourse and compromise becomes increasingly impossible, leading to paralyzed democracies. As an aside, Bernays, the inventor of the term "PR" stated that the narrative and had to kept within a certain range of discourse otherwise democracies tear itself apart. Again, the internet has shattered the ability of the monied elite to maintain that narrative and made it harder for democracies to keep everyone appeased.

>>130123801
I still blame them desu
If you (a millennial) aren't protesting for $21/ hour construction jobs that only you can take, but instead are protesting for migrants
You are the problem and are kinda retarded

>>130114477
(((Buzzwords))) don't believe in "x" as (((our data proves))).

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>>130123269
I can't honestly believe that Jontron is a 3. Holy fucking shit, what a time line.

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Because they're retarded fucking faggots and the hardest thing they've gone through is working at Starbucks.
They've never been raised in a broken home, they've never lost an immediate relative to substance abuse, they've never experienced true, crippling, maddening isolation and poverty.

You will not tell me how to live my life. You do not have sufficient firepower to occupy us, no matter where your allegiances lie. That goes for the Nazi scum, it goes for the pinkos, and it goes for Muslims.
The moment any of these factions attempt to make Americans do anything is the moment they get a VERY fucking stiff lesson about the world. It's not dictated by the musings of some stuffy lard ass in a coffee shop.

tldr;
>Fuck you, pay me, don't touch my shit or I'll splatter your fucking brains.

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>>130114477
Let them do their thing, we may get to fight some "tyranny" if they continue.

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>>130114477
the future looks bright

>>130120436
Agreed, and I just want to add that authoritarianism isn't fucking Marxism, I hate this "le Millenials are marxists" meme.

In our wonderful """free""" society, elected politicians are neglecting their duties to their constituents as both a leader and servant of that region (hey California, you're on fire and you REALLY need to find alternative methods of water production via the ocean----but instead of all of that here watch your elected leaders whine about MUH TRUMPF) for petty political garbage. They are children, or at least that's how they carry themselves.

Nat. Corporatism isn't Marxism, Authoritarianism in many if not all of it's forms is not Marxism. Millennial may doubt the virtue of democracy but that doesn't immediately mean that everyone sympathetic to authoritarian arguments or structures wants to see the world burn.

We need safeguards in place to assure that the mistakes of the past aren't repeated. The Electoral College is a fantastic example of an existing safeguard that against a tide of neo-Liberal bias. And imo there should be more safeguards in place to save people from their own foolish self destructive influence---to stop them from tearing our country apart (or at least trying to)

>>130116274
no captialism isn't a complete system like communism you can have facist capitalism

>>130114477
Vox is a neoliberal source that opposes democracy.
You can't blame millennials for seeing the results of what they were told their whole lives was democracy, but was in fact an elective aristocracy.

>>130114477
its globalist mindfuckery theyre softkilling american citizens through shitty education and shitty media so no one really knows what the fuck is going on allowing for easier manipulation. its like how in public school they tell kids to stand and say the pledge of allegiance but never explain the importance of values it talks about. kids can end up viewing it as just another oppressive task assigned by the teacher seeding a subconscious resentment towards the pledge of allegiance and therefore america

I fucking hate my generation. Bunch of literal Commies. I really hope Gen Z aren't like this or we're doomed.

>>130115924
What is George W Bush lol.

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>>130117609
Can't wait

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>>130114477
It's almost like democracy was absolutely retarded from the beginning. Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to let retards, shitskins, and women vote?

>>130128263
A citizens republic where you earn the right to vote through service is the way forward. Starship Troopers had it right.

>>130115924
Meanwhile conservicucks are loving trump.

Its a bit ironic no?

>>130114718
>But even Liberals are favoring this and wanting authoritarian rule
That's right, it's the end goal of all far left politics to get people to willingly sacrifice liberty in favor of collectivist state. The left is king of double think propaganda and like yuri bezmenov says "when they realise the reality of their beautiful equality they will revolt" by which time it's to late.

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>>130114477
What has democracy accomplished in the US since the 20th century? A central bank was put into place by Wilson against the Constitution itself, Conservatives appeased the leftists and gave the country away to cultural marxism for good. We went from 90% White to 60% and dropping.
Fascism is the only thing that will save us now, but it will never happen because conservatives are too busy masturbating to a document that's been dead for decades. Fuck democracy.

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>>130114477
>increasing number of people favor authoritarian/ military rule

Things are looking good boys.

They can't accept that others don't agree with them but have a Messiah complex which causes them to assume they would be more powerful in a dictatorship.

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>>130114477
>All of the successes and progress in the world are because of Democracy

Democracy is a regression from monarchy, not a progression. Read Hoppe, you faggot.

>>130122569
>europeans
>white
oh i am laffin

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They simply don't want to think and will believe whatever is in the news without a second thought.

>>130128668
What democracy? You mean liberal republicanism?
>>130128958
Fuck Hoppe, you faggot. Read Polybius and look up anacyclosis.

>>130120436
I do not think Generation Z voted that much. That's over generalization Gen Z is 20 and below right now and the presidency will always switch between right and left every 8 years due to both parties being out of touch and embracing the suck.

Republicans are just less worse than Democrats and both are no different right now. We need people that are younger and understand us all to be elected, not 60 and above Boomers that are not understanding of Net Neutrality or what the fuck they are doing to destroy our freedoms and our anonymity.

It's mostly because we have dinosaurs in office that do not care or bother to help us and help themselves.

>>130123269

>I am aware, thanks to Montesquieu, that one can be a Persian.

What a trash talker.

>>130114477
The cities in this country are non-white, O.P., you silly person, and they're getting more coloured every year.

>>130129107
Don't play semantics, you know what I mean when I (or anyone else) talks about democracy in the US.
The representative form of governance intended by our forefathers has failed. The entire system has been subverted and taken over by powerful special interests who now use our supposed leaders to carry out their will against the wishes of the citizenry.

>>130115168
Republic all the way

>>130115924
>muh freeze peach

Grow up, silly child. Do you think you can explicitly advocate for the white race surviving into the future while holding a government job or job at a major corporation? Anon., "muh freeze peach" only means that you're allowing those who are subverting you to voice their arguments, not that you're actually getting your say.

>>130123722
>Those on the extreme Left and Right, on the other hand, have both come to the conclusion that the present establishment isn't working at all but have very different remedies for how to fix it.
No, Anon. Both want authoritarian theocracies, but the difference is in which religion should be established, should it be the religion of Political Correctness or should it be something else.

>>130114477
Democracy is a jewish trick.
>inb4 muh republic is not a democracy
Still land of the jew.

Philosopher king and an armed population would be better

Why would anyone believe in democracy?
The whole thing is one giant fucking sham.
Nothing is achieved, everything is in a state of constant decay. There's ideology behind everything yet everything is a simulation. No real meaning behind anything.

Democracy is shit and fails to work because

>people are uninformed and thus make uninformed decisions
>governments work in secret, adding to a locker informed decision making
>people are susceptible to social engineering
>rhetoric and partisanship take precedence over facts
>often are forced to choose leaders from an ever smaller number of choices
>often need to choose from the lesser of two evils
>leaders are not necessarily held responsible for promises they break
> tyranny of the majority
>inefficient at bringing change, often face major stone walling
>forces short term planning and thinking


Democracy only works in small scale, well informed active communities. Democracy is simply too idealistic to work properly in the world as we know it today.

Non-democratic minarchist constitutionalism works the best.

>>130114477
Democracy is a Leftist ideology that must be uprooted.

>>130129510
The two defining conditions of democracy, that all are equal before the law, and that the people have an effective voice in their own governance, are almost entirely absent from the American system.
I'm reluctant to not "play semantics" because to not speak up besmirches the good name of proper direct democratic self-rule, where administrators serve us rather than vice versa under even the best-intentioned small-r republican system.

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>>130114477
The end game for American politics is far-left vs. far-right.

>>130114477
I'll fight them for authority to permanently emplace the laws of the republic- and no more votes for the unlanded, states go back to voting for senators. Long live the Republic, Anarchy Forever.

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>>130130947
You're not going far enough. Leftists believe in equality, while the true Right believe in inequality and hierarchy. The democratic system, wherein all votes are equal (which when incentivises mass immigration by nature) is the most anti-right idea unimaginable.

>>130114477
because military fascism is and should always be the end goal
it lays out a clear hierarchy and is a good meritocracy
honestly I would be fine with the current system if it hadn't fucked capitalism and made it corporatism
copyright and patenting was a mistake

>>130114477
Universal democracy is far too broad for it to work effectively. A limited democracy (only voters are land owners and tax pauers for example) is the best model

>>130114477
digits...

yeah they don't believe in free speech either.

keeping a close eye on that lot

I blame the unis

need to clear them out

>>130131705
leftests believe in equality of poor
they are basically corportists with their ideas of socialism, but they want the elite to be even smaller, and the elimination of middle class

>>130131705
The American system is right-wing, since the popular votes are carefully sequestered away from anything that would affect policy, except in initiative states.
>>130131792
A large country should be limited in its powers anyway. Getting 300 million people to buy into the same bullshit is a fool's errand, and getting them to be happy about what the absentee landlords delivered them is even harder yet. There has to be some form of accountability.

>>130131874
I know. Tall Poppy Syndrome.

>>130115711
I believe you are the dumb fuck who totally missed the point. Want a stool so it doesn't go over your head next time?

>>130114477
Democracy is a plot of the Jews.

>>130114477
i hate democracy, its fucking shit

but i know whatever comes next will suck exponentially more. it wont be our natsoc wet dream, far from it

>>130114477
>VOX

>>130129034
Lol butts, butts as far as the eye can see.

>>130131792
land owners would have to be changed to people who have a residence and are citizens due to current population amounts making it almost impossible for everyone to be land owners except in the sticks
that would cut down on illegals as they wouldn't be able to be legal residents

>>130131705
Yeah, I agree with all of that. It's Communism applied to political power essentially.

>>130132058
it doesn't have to be natsoc though
anything but left wing socialism or corportism would be good enough for me

>>130132038
Democracy will always benefit who is most appealing in the media, not who will be best for the nation.

>>130114477
Good. EUA is not a Democracy

>>130116026
He does the merchant hands.
I like it.

>>130131854
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>>130132121
ass to lead the land fuck it. assifest destiny!

>>130117531
Under rated

>>130132247
Democracy is mob rule by another name. It provides handouts to the lowest common denominator.

>>130132207
>anything but left wing socialism
i think its what we're going to get. I think the communist are winning lads

>>130131792
interestingly, most scholar nowadays agree with you
there is too much democracy
we are worshiping democracy like some deity

getting an informed pool of land owners is easy
getting an informed populace is impossible
(also, jews have taken over universities)

>>130114477

Read Moldbug or Hoppe.

>>130132377
we just need to stop our own false flags from killing people and wait till antifa start murdering people
then we can start pushing in harder among the plebs
gen z is being raised on cancer memes and edgy humor so they should be easy to bring aboard later

>>130132492
Of only most of /pol/ bothered to do this.

>>130132359
no it's not, it's the will of the majority with respect towards the minorities rights

>>130132567
*if

>>130132359
So? Your need to have the mob ruled does nothing for me.

>>130132575
It's winner takes all.

>>130132575
>>130132658
That's not democracy. That's republicanism. Different system.

>>130132656
I don't want mob rule. National Socialism above all others.

>>130114477
Democracy was a mistake, we need to restore the republic.

>>130132658
no it isn't quit being a dramatic

>>130132770
Facts not in evidence: that what we have today is not exactly what the Founding Fathers intended the republic to do

>>130132737
for fucks sakes a republic can be democratic

representational democracy

do they no longer teach civics?

have the marxists taken over grade schools?

>>130114477

The greatest economic miracles of the twentieth century emerged under authoritarian single party (de jure OR de facto rule)

Stalin's Soviet Union, South Korea's Miracle on the Han River, China, Singapore.

The belief that the general populace has the intellectual capacity or knowledge to understand principles of economics or even sociology is obscene.

Democracy has lead to the single greatest decline in civilization in the west. We have greater technologies which gives the impression of growth, but science has nothing to do with democracy, as long as scientists are able to be left alone and do their thing.

Democratic institutions have eroded the ability of government to function properly and crippled the economic situations of western nations.

>>130128381
I genuinely have respect for that opinion.
No joke - I think those who pay taxes and formally sacrifice for their country / nation are the ones who ought to be voting.
Many American voters hate America.
I don't even know what to say about that.
How do you defend against that?
In any normal context they'd be traitors.
What does one do?
I have no answer.
The only thing I know is that the criteria for being allowed to vote is far too low.
If you have no fealty to the nation you have no business voting in it.

>>130132524
Of course its based on nothing but observation and feeling of the situation but I think those people who are getting tired of democracy are tired of it because commie shit like income inequality, unequal access to service, corporations and large companies and greedy politicians.

that's why im not sure if its a good thing

>>130114477
Because it's not efficient

>>130132885
Yes

Because democracy is mob rule and people are starting to realise that the mob is fucking retarded.

>>130132964
the corporations of now and greedy politicians are problems though
funny how everyone hates the jews but uses different names for them depending on political affiliation

>>130114477

gibmedat healthcare
gibmedat social housing
gibmedat free education
gibmedat job with benefits

Millennials are weak, mentally and physically. Can't handle the big bad world so they need everything handed to them on a plate.

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>>130132846
Senators never should have been elected by the People; The Judges never had the right of judicial review; Non-whites would have never been accepted by the founders (mostly anyway).

Need I go on?

>>130114477
Democracy = tyranny


simple
Constitutional Republic > Democracy

This is literally because of 4chan. Some outrageous percentage of the youth visit here. I think like 20% of British and American youth and 15% of german and scandinavian youth

>>130114477
>Implying the west is a democracy or has been since they lost control of the money supply to central banks

>>130114477
Same though

>>130114477
democracy= multicultural leftists shithole
It's just a sad fact.

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>>130114477
>Year of Our Lord 2017
>Not supporting Monarchism
>Not supporting the One True Church

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Libertarianism is the only natural solution.

You can NOT give the proles, which are the majority in any given population, the right to rule.

Under libertarianism, they'd be the first to violate the NAP and get killed.

>>130114948
>Implying the inquisition super torture meme is true

>>130117531
Best post of the threat. It is as Jordan Peterson says, men are craving responsibility and many others have wisely pointed out that in the absence of religion, statism becomes the new religion.

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>>130114477

>>130132885
That's not democratic. The people are not equal before the law, and they do not have a say in the laws they live under. It's a very simple litmus test that liberals cannot wriggle out of.
>do they no longer teach civics
>i'm a trans-democracy
>my self-identity
>muh feelings
>reeeeeeeeEEEEE
You mean self-righteous self-aggrandizing propaganda? I wouldn't know.
Now stop being a dense little cuck and go read that study by Gilens and Page that showed how actual policy outcomes in the US, despite its precious self-image, are most consistent with oligarchy. I shit on your self-image.
>>130133142
They never intended Parties either, but if you read the Federalist Papers, the structure of the aristocracy they sought is largely intact and still functions to indebt and divide the people in service of the opulent classes.

>>130114477
they've never lived under an actual dictator/authoritarian regime

>>130133174
summerfag isn't a thing because the teen niggers visit at school to show their friends da memes
>>130133309
better than what we have now
would still prefer natsoc

>>130133030
for the upteenth time mohammed, no it's not.

>>130133105
But its not just the millennial's its even other generations getting sucked into the bullshit. at the end of the day most people want everything on a plate its just the minority that are thinking and are trying to change things but most are taking it the wrong way for personal gain so what's the point. If everyone in charge has a weak mental constitution we will continue to fail

>>130133351
>the opulent classes
Fuck off Communist, your shitty ideology will never be accepted here

Hero generations are usually authoritarian; they come of age watching the failures of libertarian behavior come together. It is always the great fear that the hubris of a Hero generation will lead to the destruction of the American Republic. So far, it has not.

>>130114477

interesting digits.

But yes, democracy is failing and has been failing.

>>130114477
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the people discover they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the canidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy--to be followed by a dictatorship.”
― Alexander Fraser Tytler

They feel it coming.

>>130114477
leftists are fascists, who knew?

>>130133079
of course its a problem, its the angle im worried about. Our society is so fucking leftist in every fucking aspect of our lives this could go wrong for us easily.

At the end of the day, when the countries are falling and people will get hopeless, it's probably going to end up being fascist vs communists, round 2. And just like back then, we're few and strong and leftist are weak rats but in massive numbers

>funny how everyone hates the jews but uses different names for them depending on political affiliation
hahaha true

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>>130114477
Democracy is fundamentally unjust. It gives people of unequal levels of merit equal political power. Take a look at the post election conspiracy theories circulated by the democratic party in the US for example. These people are no longer capable of seeing reality. The claim that they are your equals and should have equal voting power should register as an insult to you.

You guys are not getting it. There is not a single country on this planet that is a democracy.

>>130133546
/r/iamverysmart called they need you to come back. it's an emergency, senpai

>>130133546

Very developed countries like Switzerland can still pull it off.

>>130133527
maybe we will be balkanized at the end
we will be the croats
left will be the serbs
and niggers will be the bosnians
if we are going to win, we will need a massive propaganda campaign, and also will have to get rid of the KKK tier "we hate jews but suck their cocks" hillbilly nonsense
we will especially need to target the youth as they will be the soldiers of tommorow

>>130114477
Because democracy makes no sense when majority of people are stupid and politicians are corrupt. People are also very liable to propaganda and in the end vote for whatever media tells them to anyway. Democracy is the perfect system to make people docile sheep, put your puppet there and have people believe it's them who elected him, thus keeping them calm and blaming the fuck ups on them. Otherwise, when ruler would be shit and corrupt, people would go and riot like they did throughout history.
Another flaw of democracy is that it takes only one corrupt mandate to fuck up the country forever. For example, if they bring lots of immigrants and give them power of voting in hopes they will vote for him in the next term. Those immigrants will thus keep voting for whatever party keeps giving them gibs and allowing more of their people to enter, and the larger the immigrant population gets, the harder will it be for natives to outvote them and get things back in order.
Not to mention democracy isn't real anyway, in those few cases where people vote against what media tells them to, the vote is negated by parlament or some other bs, i.e. Greece voting out of EU, Brexit

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>i need a leader
>i need politics to control my life
You people are a fucking riot and go great with popcorn. So entertaining and yet so hopelessly pathetic.
You'll always be a bitch. You want it this way.

>>130133744
No, a true democracy follows some very specific rules that no country has. There has been a very strong use of the ministry of truth for this term

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>>130133490
Not an argument.

Huh, so generation Zyklon are actually fascists.

>>130133511
Then neither can a "representative" republic.

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>>130134138
you're already a bitch and you dont even realize it

They were always for democratic fascism.

>>130133546

>No TRUE Democracy!

Fuck off.

>>130116205
Europe under monarchies was pretty neat in many ways though.
> Arts and Sciences were sponsored by the rich, so we had amazing artworks and scientific advances.
Just compare Germany then and now.
Cantor, Leibnitz, Gauss and Riemann.
Vs what, Collatz? Who was born and raised in an empire? Yeah.
Art too. Look at all the stuff that we had from then. When beauty was a fundamental value, and you didn't build ugly buildings because it was morally wrong.

> Paternalism was still a thing, and it was expected that those above had a responsibility to those below.
Unlike today where it's okay to try to screw each other over. The current social contract is eroding traditional European cooperative culture. Maier's book "Bonjour paresse" could not have been written a hundred years ago. It would have been seen as breaking the social contract. It would have been seen as being a lazy scrub who lived on the work of others.

Today that book has a hero status among the retarded.

> Under monarchies we had hopes and dreams, we were going to make our countries the greatest. Not by tearing down our neighbours but by building ourselves UP to greater heights.
Notice how we don't do this anymore? There are some remnants, like ESA and NASA's cockwaving, but there's no real sense of making the next big thing and becoming the next awesomest nation.

I think we need those values back. We need arts, sciences, and national ambition. And we need a reformed version of the old social contracts back. Not everyone can have a 160 IQ and be the boss of everything. But an 80 IQ guy can still do an honest day's job, and he should be able to do that. And he should have a decent living for doing that.
(This does not mean that we should import sub 100 IQ populations. It means taking care of our own sub 100 IQ individuals.)

I don't look down on janitors. Without them the schools would be a dreadful place. But modern capitalism have destroyed our human respect for our fellow countrymen.

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>>130116113
I swear to the Gods, one of these days, blam straight to whale hell with you! (((UN))) geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet ut! We're not whaling here
>DEY DERK OUR FISK

>>130134138
>>i need a leader
>>i need politics to control my life
We know.

>>130134318
Really now?
So because I tell you little shits you suck bigger men's cocks, I'm a bitch too?

>>130114803
>Funny seeing as how the libs pre-Trump were totally different

Someone doesn't remember Bush. Before, though, the women, who are most of the leftists today, were more older. Now the average age is much, much lower with the advent of social media/smart phone, which is why the opinions seems to much more ardent. There literally still children.

>>130134138
Pirates tell a lot of home truths that people don't want to admit around here. Rum to ya.
>>130133541
>merit
Oh that canard again! Meritocracy cannot exist as a permanent form of goverment either. It always, always devolves into a self-interested oligarchy whose only object is to reproduce itself as a class and defines merit in such a way as to do exactly that.

millinials are also for censorship. I've never heard anyone say that other than them. even christians that I know realize free speech is more important.

>>130114477

>My Idea is right, and my idea is the one that should be enacted, fuck what other people think.Someone should get in charge thinking the way I do and create laws in line with my own, people voting on it would just slow it down.

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>>130134395
This
Maybe it's our hivemind, but this sums it up pruddy much all, except there is no fisk in there or whale
>Look at him go, deliberately farting this much, they can sink small vessels with their farts you know
Whales are the kikes of the ocean imagine buses xxl large, gorging in all your sild at basically once. In Alaska they have learned to even steal your fisk from you fucking fisking line!

>>130114718
Liberals are not liberal.They're not liberals at all in fact, but leftists. They're essentially authoritarian communists. Liberalism has little to do with it apart from their support for sheer decadence.

>>130134703
Stop lying, fidgetflag.

>>130134557
Nah see, I've been testing this shit at work. Nearly everyone is against Free Speech.
The buck always seems to stop at Rape Jokes. Most of the time females are the ones who are against it but I've had one gentlemen born in 1966 who is against it and a few tumblrcucks.

>>130114477
They don't believe in fair trials either or the presumption of innocence

>>130114477
If you spend 10 minutes with a millennial, you'll quickly learn that they're typically not fit to untangle a shoe lace... let alone act as a functional member of a self governing civilization.

And those in this age group can see this in one another. The absolute distrust and total disdain for fellow humans puts to shame the things people write on this website everyday. 4chan looks like childs play compared to the way young people think.

And seeking defense against the world and its cruelty, with no faith in existing power structures to do so, this generation seeks the power to put down all who oppose. It's kind of hilarious, the accusations of nazism coming from millennials, considering that the ideology has been repackaged and adopted by my generation, but with the racial supremacy aspects replaced with fanatical environmentalism, feminism, and general moral decay

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>>130134541
True freedom has a high price.
That true price is frightening to most.

I wish others would man up and accept the truth.
It is a hard pill to swallow but if you have the guts, and brains, the modern world will fall before you.

LIKE A SCURVY DOG

That's why those in control have always feared those like us. We're crazy.

>>130114477

Democracy is dictatorship by majority and that's bad when the majority of people are retards.

>>130134395
> tfw Europe used to make masterpieces, now it makes BLACKED art and puts it under the Eiffel tower

:c

>>130117531
I kinda agree with you but I kinda don't, if you know what I mean?

I think that the problem is that it's much easier in today's society to tear down societal structures than to build such. You're goddamned right that postmodernism is part of this problem though. But I don't think that the removal of religion in itself is bad.

And hear me out. Okay, so we're no longer Christians. We've gone through such changes before, and it worked out in the end. Now let's for sake of argument believe that Christianity is bad. If you're born post 1990, you would have had no experience with the older system, so you wouldn't know it, but it actually was bad.

So we removed it. Okay. But it did actually provide society with glue for holding it all together. So where do we get all that glue from now? You can't really say "values" because everyone knows that Bergen is patriotic conservative, Trondheim is patriotic leftie and Oslo is globalist cucky. The three largest cities and they are pretty different in value systems. (Didn't stop the """anti-racists""" from trying in the early nineties though.)

Well, it's fine some people would say, new glue would emerge naturally. Let's move on and destroy institutional racism. (Yes, we had that SJW shit in the nineties. It finally died in 2011 when Eia released Hjernevask. We owe that man so much. They've been trying to revive it, but have been unsuccessful so far.)

AAAAAAnyway. So we move on right? What's next? Well, we notice that Norwegians like winter sports. Let's problematize that. We like to think that we're good people. Let's problematize that. And so on and so forth.

They haven't destroyed it yet, but they're trying to create a climate where destroying is easier than creating.

You're right on the money about the educational system though. I still remember the Yggdrasil books we had in class. (Naturfag)

I think the story of how "neger" became a racist word is hilarious because it illustrates a lot of this stuff.

>>130133887
this is why we need military fascism
monarchism is outdated as it just passes down the family and is corruptible
RASPUTIN
we need a climbable hierarchy system so only the best is ever able to gain power

>>130114477
>Democracy
What a fucking meme this was. Seriously, it's a joke. The vast majority of people are fucking retards. If you haven't realized this... well, you're likely part of it.

>progress in the world are because of Democracy

You're thinking of systems where the strongest and most intelligent lead, like fascism, oligarchy, monarchism, etc. Even a constitutional republic fits into that category somewhat if the politicians end up being educated people. Our system is slumping because stupid people are electing stupid people. Could you imagine if all those stupid people were directly involved in voting on which laws go into effect? With no knowledge of how to interpret law? It's almost a guarantee they're going to vote for more "free" shit and other things that serve their best interest, and the largest group has the most say, hence the "two wolves and a sheep" comparison. Oh but you didn't mean THAT kind of democracy, I'm strawmanning right? Even in indirect democracy like a republic people vote for stupid shit and for stupid people to vote for more stupid shit. I advocate going away from this system even further and returning to a more natural, Darwinian system where the strong and intelligent lead. Nature, it seems throughout history, has decided on better leaders than the plebian masses.

"You in America will see that someday."
-a great man

>>130135079
freedom only worked for pirates because they were all dependent on electing the right person for captain and they didn't want to get darwined by the colonies

>>130114477
Soon.

>>130123269
> Scandinavian model
Yeah, American politicians like Sanders love to bring that up, but THEY NEVER ACTUALLY SUGGEST THE ACTUAL MODEL.
They just use it as an excuse to talk about higher taxes.
Everytime they bring it up, point out that they're not suggesting the Scandinavian model, so it's NOT A FUCKING ARGUMENT.

I could go on about why, but I won't bore you.

>>130114582
They aren't liberals. The term was highjacked a while back and nobody seems to have noticed or cared.

>oligarchy, monarchism
oligarchy can work out that way but monarchism is very corruptible
oligarchy only works if it's meritocratic in who climbs up the chain to it
a lot of oligarchies can be (((oligarchies))), like how corporatism is now

>>130114477
>What is this about?
An entire generation raised by single-mothers.

>>130114477
Soon™

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>>130135411
Pirates didn't just exist from 1400-1800 in the colonies, bud.

Pirates, better known as outlaws, have existed everywhere, land and sea. They'll exist in space when that time comes.

>>130135523
anyone who thinks the vastly different economies of the US and any European socialist are eqautible are generally stupid and easy to destroy just by mentioning the overall higher wages of the US but lower living costs the EU but overall higher consumer good cost
>>130135842
I know, but the cool navy based ones only existed during that time

>>130128958
Hoppe made me a monarchist. I don't think that was what he was going for, but that's what I took from it. But do read Economics in One Lesson.

Mises Institute has it for free here:
> https://mises.org/library/economics-one-lesson

>>130134427
Goddamnit I'm hungry now.

>>130134695
And if we stop being autistic about fishing, the sad truth is that if you describe a society like that, strong leaders with a clear obligation to those below them, everyone gets to work and live, and so on, people will pop boners. It's what we tend to ACTUALLY WANT.

People don't mind being followers. They mind being followers of SHIT LEADERS. And our current society is breeding shit leaders. It's amazing how shortsighted this shit is.

>>130135943
The Scandinavian model is based on there being a high trust ethnostate there to begin with, where the leaders are held responsible to the people.

You tell me how that's supposed to work in the US.

>>130131069
the problem is, it's just like communism but slower in effect, where eventually the administrators will just become the elite

>>130136226
it doesn't
we all hate eachother no matter how the left tries to dress it up

It's because they know that something is wrong. They get their daily cummies from everything only to repeat it the next day. Deep down they want someone to step in and say "no, stop fapping, get some discipline and get to work." I'm one of those. The world is so pozzed that people degrade to an animal-like state without knowing

One party system who operates for the PEOPLE, not the country, is the ideal.

>>130114477
>successess and progress because of democracy
Democracy itself only reduces and limits progress because people are greedy and vote what is best for them and not what is best for the society even though wellbeing society would benefit all. It doesn't work because average voter is stupid and easily manipulated.

Now all the progress ypu are talking about is the result of capitalism. A system designed to exploit human greed for progress.

>>130136382
Somewhat true. Human psychology has a beast, and all but the most devious have a righteous side that makes them hate the beast.

For those of us outside of the law, the threat of self destruction is the guiding force keeping us from straying too far either way. You get too righteous, and ego swallows you. You get to carefree, and nature itself will devour your soul.

>>130114477
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWdfRRtAs3o&spfreload=10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWdfRRtAs3o&spfreload=10

watch this.

This is why we need a Führer.

>>130136791
but there is no capitalism anymore
shit like (((modern))) (((copyright))) and (((patent))) law prove it
we are corporatism
one step above leftest socialism but still terrible

>>130114477
Technocracy is better. Read socrates.

>>130124659
Edgy.

Like the pic though.

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>>130114477
>All of the successes and progress in the world are because of Democracy.
Oy vey!

>trump
>putin
>erdogen
>duerte
>may
>orbán
>kim jong un

Didn't you hear? Authoritarians aren't coming, they're already in power.

>>130114477
People are stupid enough to think they understand the true "objective morality". This just proves a lot of brutes are starting to admit they're willing to kill to get their way.

>>130114718
Progressives are more than libs.

>>130115016
So instead we should have what?

>>130115175
>Anarcho-Communist

>>130115191
Not anyone can become a citizen.

>>130115548
Agreed.

>>130115711
Republic = Representative Democracy.

>>130115924
When did he try to control free speech?

>>130116132
You are the people.

>>130116205
I can see fascism coming to America in the next 100 years.

>>130116885
It goes beyond just the left though.

>>130117609
If actual Nazis (not fascists but Nazis) ever tried to take power there would be war.

>>130120545
It feels like everyone is taking the red pill lately.

>>130121132
Do you believe Hillary won the popular vote? I wouldn't be surprised if they had considered rigging the election for her.

>>130123269
The writer seems a bright person

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>>130139845
They did though
pic related

>>130116659
>using logic on /pol/
This shit hole is just right wing tumblr, enjoy the spectacle for the short time its got left

>>130135910
/thread

while some weirdos cheer on 95% (and rising) of blacks voting democrat while 65% (and rising) of whites voting republican as some good thing, it should really be seen as sign of an ill country

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Stand up and be counted, go with the Ku Klux Klan.

If you hate niggers, jews, spics, arabs, faggots, commie scum as much as we do and you want to raid some tranny server once in a while, you should join the official Moon Central Discord! White people only. Introduce yourself in #introductions to get unkiked!

https://discordapp.com/invite/rDSBTgq

1, 2, 3, 4 I declare a race war!
Join us and lynch a nigger tonight!

14/88,
The Triple K Mafia

P.S GAS JEWS, RACE WAR NOW!

yang wenli did nothing wrong

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>>130114477
>Vox
>Years old
>Implying it's a bad thing

The mods have clearly died.

>>130141859
KKK is a bunch of nigger tier faggots
they all suck jew cock while denouncing it
KKK will never be true fascist, never use 1488 again hillbilly trash

>>130141435
>95%
you mean of those who vote

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>>130114477
Millenials are not democratic anymore. They want their marxist-progressive 1984 "utopia" by NOW.

Well played.

He told us, but we just didnt listened him.

>>130114477
democracy is only democracy if left-wing wins
thus people dislike democracy

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>>130116205
I really don't mind monarchy or fascism so long as they keep free market capitalism, freedom of speech, right to bear arms, and due process. Otherwise they can fuck off.

>>130114477
Anyway, democracies are weak by definition, because different voices will stop you making dicissions and more even in hard issues like war.

Authoritarian goverment are homogeneous and, therefore, much stronger.

>>130141859
hello fbi

>>130143970
So true. This is the reality among left wing.

"We are the people, if we llose in themocracy, then we are legitimated to take the power using violence (aka revolution)"

>>130114477

What do you expect from a group raised by helicopter parents? They don't know how to take responsibility or deal with adversity. This is the group that would rather watch people play a videogame than play it themselves ffs. So of course they want a government that will manage their life for them.

>>130115876
>limits itself
explain

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>>130114477
That's because they are on the right side of history.

As we all know history movies in a single direction and centralizing power into a the hands of someone I agree with could never lead to someone else using that power or me disagreeing about something else with that person.

>>130114582
>Welcome to the socialist world. Enjoy the ride.
FTFY. Honestly I don't know why Americans still stick to that illusion the Democrat Party projects.

>>130114477
Explanation is simple, natsoc is considered undemocratic and the other extreme pretends to be liberal when they're the biggest authoritarian warmongers alive today. Normies fall somewhere down the middle but millennials more than any other generation are heavily politicised.

>>130135223
Those 7 deadly sins we hear so much about, in my view, can be summed up into one prime sin: materialism

Materialism has many differing definitions depending on who you ask, but the definition I use is: an overriding emphasis in one's life toward material things: people, places, things, careers, achievements, sensations (sex, drugs, adoration, pride) and so on. In that regard I think Plato, Aristotle, the Stoics, and the World Religions were correct to push for virtue as a foundational emphasis in life. World Religions in my eyes are sets of (traditional) values/virtues given authority

In some ways i think Jesus and God are personifications of Plato's immaterial virtues, impossible for us to achieve but good for humanity to strive for for its own sake

>>130114477
america has had 3 generations of communism spreading under the hood. Soon as that i wiped out it will return but it needs to begin now in the schools.

>>130114477
Pure capitalism > monarchy > democracy

>>130133327
>in the absence of religion, statism becomes the new religion.
An atheist is not someone who believes in nothing, rather someone who would believe in anything

>>130135223
>new glue would emerge naturally
That new glue could be anything from Islam to a rebirth of Christianity to space aliens. The values of said glue will have a very real effect on future society. Currently Leftism a strong candidate.

>>130114477
Bring on the fourth reich. That'll change their view on democracy.

>>130146050
only among the stupid
as an athiest I can only support a moral christian society, as too many athiests are too retarded to have morality without a god.
It's interesting watching Dawkins finally begin to realize this the past few years
Guy needs to get it in his head that spreading athiesm will cause issues when morons start to pick it up

>>130135842
Best anime

>>130114948

This is objectively correct.

Also, fuck France.

>>130114477
Why would they believe in democracy? they have been brought up to be told "do as we tell you to do!"
They think they are being rebels but they are playing right into the hands of the globalists plans, total enslavement, censorship and a new world order.

>>130124659
Fuck off boomer faggot. Do you even know what you fight for? You going to rise up and protect a bunch of trannys and mud people so they can rape and displace your kids? People like you will be the first to go by being made an example of on TV when you try to fight back. The rest will give in after witnessing your demise friendo.

>>130145587
I don't disagree that unhinged materialism is a bad thing. The problem is that people don't want enough. They want MORE.

I suspect that neither of us would tell a starving homeless man that he shouldn't thirst for MORE. But on the other hand, our capitalist values are just that: WANT MORE.
Start a business get rich. Sell it and start a new one. Get richer. Screw the poor, buy politicians for your stable, pervert democracy in your favour...

Now I am not in opposition to starting a business, getting rich, etc. I'm against seeing this as morally good behaviour. It should be seen as morally neutral behaviour. I also think that we have had paternalism for 2000+ years for a reason. Free Market Capitalism removed it and I think we still suffer from it. It severs the bonds between the social classes and thus makes class warfare an actual thing. Marx was kinda right about that. It's just more glue that has been washed away. And in its place they tried to put patriotism and nationalism. So the poor lost their strong leader that would help them, but at least they got to die for their country.

That's one of the reasons I like Bismarck btw. He saw this bullshit and it didn't sit right with him. He also acted like an older generation of leader: He saw that the state got rich from its working class, and thus he thought that the state had an obligation back to its workers. They paid taxes and served in the armies, so the state should pay them pensions and take care of them when they got shot by French people. And look at how well that worked. The people felt that Bismarck had had their back so they backed him. Look at how willing the Germans marched on the French. Even though the French were a larger more experienced force that was better equipped. The Germans trusted their leaders and so marched straight through hell to bayonet themselves some frogs.

Would they do that for "Mama Merkel"?

>>130146050
They said new glue would come naturally, I don't believe that it would be so easy at all. Because they make it all to easy to destroy any and all new glue.

It's just more nihilist crap that nobody knew how to argue against.

> These values are problematic so we remove them
But we need values!
> New values will come by themselves.
Uhm... okay?

> New values come
> Repeat from top.


It's purely disgusting.

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>>130120436
>And under Authoritarian rule it simply isn't possible for such shit to happen behind the curtain
Under authoritarian rule it's even easier to pull this subversive shit, since the ruler has no obligation to meet the population's wish for transparency.

Fully agree with the rest of your post though. I personally believe the best way for disenfranchised right-wing adolescents to build up their envisioned world is to surround themselves on a local level with like-minded people.

To ensure the survival of native Europeans you need to prioritize their well-being above non-whites (whether foreign or immigrant). To ensure this you need to remove or reform many fundamental (constitutional/international) rights, such as human rights, equality and freedom of religion. To change these rights and laws you need a supermajority government, and in many different countries at the same time too. However, as recent elections show, minority- and leftist voting blocks seem too large to overpower democratically.
There is another trend visible however, and with it another solution. Different types of people live segregated from one another. Therefore, to make sure their voice matters more you need to shift power from continental/national level to regional rule. And this change of power is already a existing trend. In the Netherlands for example, provincial and municipal governments get more and more control over policies related to education, nature-development and healthcare. Adding cultural self-governance and the right to decide who is and isn't allowed to live in their community (i.e. covert ethnocentric policy) to this would help.

Decentralisation, anti-egalitarianist & anti-universalist principles should shape the next half century. Bottom-up regional self-determination and self-reliance rather than top-down forced utopianism (whether cosmopolitan or nationalistic) is needed.
The term may sound antithetical, but ethnocentric libertarianism is where the answer lies.

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>>130114477
Because they dont live in one therefore dont know what true democracy

>corporate led representative republic is not a democracy

>"Millennials" are retarded and think the political structure is a "democracy" and blame the worlds ills on said label.

>>130114803
>Funny seeing as how the libs pre-Trump were totally different
because american education thinks that liberal means socialist

>>130135223
>Yggdrasil books
what's this?

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I think that a real problem though, is that the right has run away from any and every public institution as fast as their cowardly little legs could carry them.

Schools, libraries, universities, etc. etc.
No fucking conservatives there. Well, when every area where adults teach children stuff is run by a bunch of lefties, what do you THINK is going to happen?

It rustles me.

>>130150656
Natural Science books for elementary and jr. high schools.
Since Yggdrasil represents the multiverse, it's a natural title.

>>130150827
This. I understand not wanting to be in some faggy art school, but completely abandoning the education system and letting it get taken over by commies was a huge mistake.

>>130114477
Maybe it's becoming clear that democracy has huge flaws as a system as well, group a and b voting to take advantage of group c. Aka people with wealth currently, I doubt it though I think it's because people are upset they don't get more stolen gibs.
>>130134805
he's right though, leftism is authoritarian and liberals are leftist

>>130114477
> no source provided

if true they probably only asked Muslims

School. They don't know what they stand to lose, and therefore are not able to give informed consent.

>>130116113
Sometimes improvements can be as easy as reverting. Remove womens right to vote.

>>130135568
In the US and part of Europe, the political terminology simply revolves around a few basic social policies, like homosexuality, feminism and racism.

American "liberals" today defy the very definition of the word liberalism.

>>130114477
>liking a system where three unemployed freebooters and a productive citizen all get the same say in where the productive citizens resources go.
Wew.

>>130114477
Millennials are retarded faggots.

There's nothing to explain.

>>130120436

Haha lad, just wait for the education bubble to pop WEW

>>130146066
I used to believe the 4th reich would be europeans repelling mass immigration
But now I'm almost certain the 4th reich would be Muslims cleaning Europe of everyone else, democratically, of course

>>130114477
People are pissed at each other and hoping the guy they'd install in charge would be /theirguy/ for sure.
Also, nobody likes muslims and democracy doesn't cope with muslims too well.

>>130153855
you mean western parents are shit tier

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>>130135568
That's true, they are Cultural/racial Marxists.

Anyone ever wonder why "populism" is a "threat" to "democratic values"? I was under impression a democracy's values were determined by... democratic votes.

I also noticed Nations no longer considers themselves a Democracy but rather a "Liberal Democracy".

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>>130114477
>democracy
>good
kill yourself you disgusting fucking lolbertarianigger

when fascism, communism, globalism have a bit of fun again, people will realise why we need democracy and will win a world war over it

>>130114477
> letting idiots decide your future

Disgusting. If you're not in the top fifth percentile you have no business running a country.

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>>130114477
(((polls)))

it's bullshit, just like the polls showing 70% of Americans support removing restrictions on Cuba.

NPR just Jewed it's listeners with more bullshit fucking polls.

>>130114477
>Have the majority
>DEMOCRACY YES!
>Start losing
>WTF! Those fly-over retards and stupid old people!

>>130114477
>implying democracy is antithesis to fascism
fascism, by definition, consists in valuing the group more than the individuals it's made of

which is precisely how democracy works
democracy IS an authoritarian fascist system

the antithesis to fascism actually is individualism, you dumb merry crap

>>130114477
>What is this about? All of the successes and progress in the world are because of Democracy.
To many people want to indulge now at the expense those to come (and themselves in the future) and millennials are pissed that they have been stuck with the bill.

>>130114477
Our political goals will never be achieved through democracy so why would I want it?

>>130117400
tax them for the right to vote, but on the yearly tax form , let them opt out. liberal problem solved.

>>130114477
This is a mixed bag. Everyone knows that democracy doesn't work. But the problem is that most of them don't like democracy because it allows "Drumpf" to get elected. They just want to force socialism and cultural marxism down everyones throats.

In other words, your typical millennial (save for the ones on places like /pol/) are a bunch of bolshevik communists

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>>130157373
dumb ancapnigger doesn't know hierarchy from egalitarianism nor collective of individuals vs individual collective wow colour me surprised

the antithesis to fascism is elimination of all organic and natural Law from civilization

>>130114477
They juat think everyone is stupid but them and because they don't venture out into groups of people who disagree with them they assume they'll be part of the ruling class when the revolution happens.

Protip: they won't.

>>130133325
Yeah, it was propaganda spread as part of the "Black Legend", along with many stories of Spanish colonial cruelty. People were killed but it was not the bloodbath we see it as today.

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>>130114477
>all of these cuckservatives whining about muh librul facsism

Democracy is a disgrace, the traditionalist stance should favor Monarchy or some other heavily undemocratic system. Democracy is the height of pleb rule and egalitarianism.

>>130123346
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek

Obama would never drive around washington and have a crowd cheering at him.

Non music version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gklcuY92d_4

What do you need to be explained in this circumstance lol

>>130150827
All of my male primary school teachers were amazing, all ex Army veterans that were patriotic and took great pride in nuturing and teaching. The female primary school teachers were a fucking mess, couldn't control the class room and taught fuck all.

I clearly remember stuggling with maths, then one male teacher in the space of a year helped me get from the most basic maths books all the way to the most advanced. Before then the women wouldn't give a shit.

I feel a great sadness there aren't many male primary school teachers anymore. Men have all but been banned from teaching primary school and they are needed more than ever.