Fascism or Ancap?

>Love the founding fathers
>Loving jew loving (((freemasons)))

Also, natsoc isn't necesarrily fascist per say. Mussolini and Hitler had differences in terms of ideology.

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SCOOPISTAN

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>>130091310

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absolute monarchy

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>>130091310

civic nationalism xDDDDD

>>130091310
Libtarian cucks allow usury and other forms of labor-devoid means of profit making

Anarcho-naturism.

>>130091490
So did Mao and Stalin, they were both still Marxists.

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>>130091310
Once you incorporate physical removal into libertarianism, it's pretty much perfect.

>>130091788
>these forms off voluntary transactions are ebil!
Let the retards be in debt. They dug their grave; they can sleep in it. Adults can make their own fucking decisions.

If that's your best argument, you have no argument.

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>>130091788

My problem with fascism is that it completely relies on government not being corrupt and working for the people. Wouldn't big business just team up with government to decide what's "Good" for society? It seems this shit could go full 1984 reeaaalll fuckin' fast

>>130091310
Fascism.

I'd rather live in society with a strong community bond and common goals, than live in shithole where everyone tries to outjew his neighbor.

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>>130091310
Libertarianism/An-Cap is like a sapling that is unable to take root and grow in an overgrown forest. Fascism is the cleansing fire that burns away that old decaying forest.

Once (((they))) and their puppets are gone & we have driven out the forces of degeneracy, the need/desire for fascism will naturally diminish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmtuCzKy83U

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Fuck Natsoc. I'm a god damned Nationalist and I'm not going to cuck for the faggots we destroyed in WW2.
All American NatSocs are cucks.

>>130092229
Slower than without government, because government can pull off "Why should we team up with you for fucking up general populace, when we can just kill you and nationalize your assets".

>>130091310

They're pretty much the same thing. In an ancap society, if you privately own a town/city you can set your own laws and make it fascist.

>>130091310
Dude I think about this all the time.

The solution to our problems is either libertarianism (not quite ancap) or some sort of faux-facism.

I'm leaning towards soft libertarianism as the solution, although degenerates getting purged in fascism would be hilarious

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>>130092023

Not really. There will still be a working class that is completely disposable and business will be fiscally motivated to keep them down and basically enslave them for profit. Also what is stoping a government to form in this society? And how the fuck do we get there?

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>>130092334

Makes perfect sense.
Fuck... Am I becoming a socialist?

>>130091310

Assuming we agree that Commies are absolute cancer, you're right for following many libertarian ideas, but it's not an answer to the whole picture.

Communism and free-for-all capitalism are two sides of the same oligarch's coin. (((They))) have very easy well-trodden paths to follow if they want to control a country and both extremes deliver.
Fascism offers a critique of both ends of this spectrum, and seeks to reduce outside influence and change the law to take away the tools and weapons the chosen few enjoy so much. That's also a clue as to why AnCap is so much more acceptable in public. The kikes arguably have more avenues to victory in an AnCap "system" than they do even in Communism, a Jewish invention.

>>130092415

Great post anon. My problem with fascism/Natsoc is really just the conformity aspect. I love the fact their lifting their communities and reaching for something greater and mystical... but this picture reminds of sheep with no right to go off and live the way they want to. Fascism BREAKS the rules of natural law... this worries me.

>>130092542
>we can just kill you and nationalize your assets
Can you stop pretending you're any better than commies?

>>130091724
why tho

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>>130091310

Nice Guy National Socialism obviously.

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>>130091310
>not be a confederate

>>130092850
>working class that is completely disposable
Do you honestly believe the government has a positive effect on people's wages? Price fixing doesn't work and every time politicians fuck with the labour market it makes it less attractive for companies to employ workers driving wages lower.

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>>130091310
>>130094597

>>130093439

Fascism is impossible in multi-cultural and racial societies anyway. Maybe not Fascism, but Nat-Soc is.

It's like mixing bees and ants together and wondering why the hive is collapsing.

Nat-Soc requires everyone to be roughly on the same page. American Nat-Soc, as it stands now, would be like watching a basketball team in which 2 of the players are wearing their own jerseys and only get to count their own points.

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Ascend, friend.

>>130093439
>love the fact their lifting their communities
The growth of the state and increased reliance on that state leads to lower engagement with the community lessening its importance.

>reaching for something greater and mystical
Nothing mystical about bootlicking. That feeling you feel when you decide to relinquish control to the state is laziness. It's you trying to get away from the responsibility of fixing shit and hoping the state will handle it for you.

>>130093035
>>130093439

Fascism is in a funny place between the two ends. It riffs off of socialist appeal, yet its ideals have little to nothing to do with Marx. Unlike AnCap it is collectivist, yet unlike Marxism it recognises the importance of individuality, hierarchy, and self-determination.

Fascist thoughts tend to open a lot of cans of worms. For example, ask yourself, what is freedom? It's the freedom to design your own path in life, based on your experiences and judgement. But then again, who crafts those experiences and influences your judgement? Just look at how degeneracy is tolerated and peddled endlessly. It's almost as if people are having their destinies written for them by (((somebody))). And of course those people become welfare niggers and ZOGbots.

Think of natural selection. The fascist authority seeks to purge degeneracy and forge an environment that encourages/demands the best of its citizens and leaves the waste be. It can happen by force in a short period of time. Or it can be something more palatable -- something that happens over a century or two, like a gentle surgery.

Like >>130092415 said it's a temporary state. A cleansing is necessary if we are to reach a next stage for humanity. We've beaten our natural world, and we need to evolve by throwing off the chains that bind us and arranging our ascension.

>not being anarcho-fascist, where it's an anarchist society where the only people welcome are those with fascist ideals who willingly follow a command structure and anyone who doesn't like it gets kicked out (altitude variable based on how commie they are)

>>130091310
That is a National Socialist symbol, not a fascist one.

>>130095620
this, Fascism =/= NatSoc. NatSoc has its own entirely different set of virtues from fascism

Ethno-Fascism in the name of individual liberty. Divided we fall.

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>>130095620
>>130095790

Sir Oslwad Mosley would disagree. He clearly states it's fascism in a different form. Same movement, different country.

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>>130094888
Prove me wrong.

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>>130096004
>Anglo
>Thinking their opinion matters

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>>130091310

Pic related is the final redpill.

>>130094470
people's wages are not the issue. It is the issue of regulation and lawsuit liability being a drain that multiplies across each product reducing their wage buying power to nothing. All wage gains are being eaten up by healthcare. In the effort to give each boomer 5 more years of life each millenial will give 10 years of wages. At least boomers fucking multicultural dreamworld when shitskins decide to pull the plug on all the geriatric whites.
Libertarianism would not give most people the answer to healthcare most want, fascism could.

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>>130091310
National Socialism is a fucking retarded ideology with no actual intellectual backing, it's just socialism (communism-lite) with some fashthetics sprinkled on top. The only reasons people here subscribe to it is because they saw some Nazi speech propaganda and they saw how "redpilled" Hitler was as well as holohoax debunking videos and they think that National Socialism is correct.

National Socialists on this site, according to previous threads, seem to be just mainstream political cucks and centrists who just like the way National Socialism feels and pretend take a stand and subscribe to it because it's easier to subscribe to an already similar ideology instead of taking an actual political and philosophical stand and going ancap.

If you're smart, you'll understand economics and morality and come to realize that the state, no matter what type, no matter what size, is a coercive and immoral entity; the only true way to govern a people into a prosperous future is through Anarcho-Capitalism (or hoppean ancapism if you like that route).

>>130091310
ancaps are just the useful idiots of the mega corporations

fascism when used as a means to an end can do miracles

>>130096823
Not an argument

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>>130096199
>technology
>breeding programs
Almost right. Genetic engineering is gonna make all this silly bickering obsolete.

>>130091310
Ancap is autistic.

>>130091724
God save the King

>>130097001
Not an argument ;)

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>>130096992

>>130091310
You see, the problem with ancaps is that the guy with the largest bank, essentially a jew, gets to be the guy with the largest army.

Ancaps are fine, but what we need is natsoc with some individual ancap solutions, such as bitcoin and unregulated interest rates.

Also borders are gold.

>>130096972
>Makes the "argument" that fascist are just hopping on a band wagon and the real smart people who understand economics real good are all ancaps.
>Claims non-argument when the same is said against ancaps

>>130091310
Somewhere inbetween, how's Hoppean-Libertarian?

>>130091310
Neither of them, globalist neoliberalism/neoconservatism is the best system

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>>130097258
Hoppean Ancap >>> AnCap >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NatSoc

You have to realize, market forces still act on the richest person. If he does something immoral, his business will suffer, if he attacks people with his army, his business will die.

>>130097089
Saying "niggers are dumb" is not an argument either. It's still true. I'm making a statement, not an argument.

>>130091310
Ask yourself at what point you're okay with the government initiating force.
Libertards and AnarchoChildren fixate on this issue, but its a good thing to think about. Do you believe that a state should never use force for any means, other than self defense, or should a state utilize its authorize to achieve ends?
Both camps ultimately believe that state force is acceptable, no one is a complete pacifist, the only difference is the requisite conditions each party believes must be met for it to be justified.


>>130092142
People often do things out of desperation, particularly poor people who have heavy responsibilities. Usurious lenders exploited these people in the past, and this was one of the staples of how they maintained power. If you allow subversive elements to take root you'll awake one day to see that they control everything and you in your own ignorance no longer hold anything.

Centrist-Slightly Right-Libertarian
I dont care just leave me alone

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We can have a great free market system, but they just won't let you have this ancap world you want really idk if anarky of any kind can work. So I choose fascism so that then after we can live in peace the left is violent and crazy and needs to be put down or deported away with the minorities. Hail Victory !


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>>130094103

Any division of sovereignty is cancerous. Think about how militaries, businesses, and criminal organizations are governed. Command should always flow downwards and authority upwards.

>>130097302
>>Claims non-argument when the same is said against ancaps
Never said that. You have to break a lot of conditioning to become an ancap.
You don't think taxation is theft?

AnCaps think they're free from the government and laws but they are still under the control of the Jew.

NatSoc actually provides a SAFE SECURE FUTURE for your children. Ancaps want your children to be a sex slave for a 22 year old NEET warlord bitcoin embezzler.

>>130091310
>gadsen flag
>ancap

>>130097570
>Ancaps are autistic
This is an assertion with no factual backing

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>>130091788

An activity's usefulness to society is not based on the expenditure of calories performing said activity. Lending money is a risk to the lender.

God, National Socialists are fucking daft

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>>130096695
>regulation and lawsuit liability being a drain that multiplies across each product reducing their wage buying power to nothing
I fail to see how libertarianism doesn't address this. Free market is one of its main talking points and with that comes less regulation, the freedom to make contracts any way you want and expose yourself to risk of legal repercussions that you're comfortable with and the free market is of course just plain better at improving economic growth leading to higher living standards in the long run for all classes.

>In the effort to give each boomer 5 more years of life each millenial will give 10 years of wages.
Wealth transfers aren't a part of the libertarian program. The boomers should've planned ahead instead of voting themselves benefits.

>Libertarianism would not give most people the answer to healthcare most want
Kinda already addressed this. But again, the private sector does it better and more efficiently. Being more efficient isn't some autistic measure of dollars. In very real terms it means it costs less and more people survive.

>>130097759
Taxation isn't theft because I willfully give some of my earnings to the state. If I willfully give my money to someone, they aren't stealing from me.

get a brain instead

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>>130091310
I don't think the founding fathers were actually libertarians. They were racists and sexists, many of them were religious and militantly so (although some were deists/agnostics). I personally think that the founding fathers, especially Washington and Hamilton would lean toward fascism/national socialism.

>>130098091
this is good advice

>>130098023
http://exploreistaxationtheft.com/
Look at this website for 2 minutes, if you don't, you're an intellectual coward.

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>>130091310
>trying to choose between two political ideologies
>the two are diametrically opposed
>learning resources are youtube

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>>130091310
How about libertarian Contitutional republicanism?

>>130092334
Yes, because fucking over your clients doesn't negatively effect your business. Wait, that's only in places where it's expensive to start a business thanks to permits and whatnot.

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>>130098400
>>130091310
Or minarchism?

>>130098400
We had that, now it turned to the shit we have now. Terrible idea.
Abolish the state and prevent any easily manipulatable centralization of power.

>>130097514
That must be exactly why Apple, Heineken, Nike, Pepsi, McDonalds and other degenerate multinationals are so afraid to donate to political causes such as judeo-left no? Because they're afraid of ancaps who will damage their market.

I mean things are getting better, but it's the natsocs that're doing all the boycotts, it's them who are organizing, not ancaps.

I hate to bring in that argument, but technology should allow for people to spend more time with their families. With ancap and free market, there will be no labour market regulations, which means no 30-hour work week.

You can DELET 80% of jobs in transport in the next 50 years. They won't exist if marxists won't do something stupid to save them. I'm talking to you as somebody who studies AI.

With ANCAP, it's people who adjust to the market, now why don't we adjust the market to the people.

I'm not talking huge property violations. I'm talking labour market regulation.

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>>130097514

how can the poor people working at McBurger afford healthcare though? Just because the market isn't regulated dosen't mean healthcare will suddenly be super affordable. Also isn't mans greatest incentive to enslave other men to him? Even in a free market their will still be the rich trying to keep the poor down in every way possible in order to get cheap labour. This is my problem with ANCAP there is no SOCIAL UNITY with a common goal or care for it's people. It's a completely self absorbed and will DEFINITELY lead to degeneracy.

>>130098502
http://exploreistaxationtheft.com/

>>130091310
>Fascism or Ancap?
Read this:

Open Letter to the White Man
http://laraj.ca/AGwiki/uploads/Contemporary/IronmarchOriginals/Vladimir%20-%20Open%20letter%20to%20the%20white%20man.pdf

>>130092850
Why can't said wage slaves just go start their own business?

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>>130098553
What if we made it literally impossible to increase the power of the government through Constitutional stuff?

My concern with ancapism is that foreign nations might buy land with their vast resources and then enforce their laws on that land, thus gradually enroaching on the land of ancapistan one plot of land at a time.

>>130092415
Perfect. To achieve the type of society ancaps REALLY want, we'd have to remove a lot of conditioning.

And niggers

>>130098023
The Libertarian counterpoint is that everyone doesn't consent to taxation, nor to everything that tax money go toward funding.
Some people don't want to be forced to fund abortions, or war for example. Those people are then not voluntarily giving money to the state, its being taken through them by a system which relies on force.
You could argue that by living in America you agree to a kind of social contract which stipulates taxation is a necessary fact of life, but then people will just argue whether or not the social contract is a real thing since people aren't voluntarily born in to a place of their choosing.

The correct Fash/NatSoc argument is that it is human nature to have individuals sacrifice something for the greater good. Parents sacrifice for the family, families sacrifice for the community, so on and so forth. This is a natural order of things which has existed since we lived in tribal societies. Man's role in the world hasn't changed, we haven't evolved beyond our own instincts, and we thrive best when society is structured more closely to what comes natural for us.

>>130098561
We have that. How's it been working out for us?
The most prosperous time in American history 1980-1900 had the most unregulated market and had the fastest decreasing poverty and highest increasing standard of living.

>>130091724
>constitutional monarchy
ftfy

>>130091310
>>130098727
And then, read these:

The Decline of the West - Oswald Spengler
https://archive.org/details/Decline-Of-The-West-Oswald-Spengler

For My Legionaries - Corneliu Zelea Codreanu
https://archive.org/details/ForMyLegionaries_334

The Hour of Decision - Oswald Spengler
https://archive.org/details/TheHourOfDecision

Man and Technics - Oswald Spengler
https://archive.org/details/ManTechnics-AContributionToAPhilosophyOfLife193253

Men Among the Ruins - Julius Evola
https://archive.org/details/MenAmongTheRuins_536

Mein Kampf - Adolf Hitler
https://archive.org/details/AdolfHitlerMeinKampf_201608

My Life - Oswald Mosley
https://archive.org/stream/BUFandOswaldMosley/My%20Life%20-%20Oswald%20Mosley#page/n1/mode/2up

1001 Quotes By and About Jews - Willie Martin
https://archive.org/details/1001QuotesByAndAboutJews

The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
https://archive.org/details/TheProtocolsOfTheLearnedEldersOfZion_201510

Revolt Against the Modern World - Julius Evola
https://archive.org/details/RevoltAgainstTheModernWorld

Revolution and How to Do it in Modern Society - Kai Murros
http://www.kolumbus.fi/aquilon/revolution.pdf

Ride the Tiger - Julius Evola
https://archive.org/details/pdfy-aRcIuNf5CA4dftn4

The Rising Tide of Color Against White World Supremacy - Lothrop Stoddard
https://www.forgottenbooks.com/en/download/TheRisingTideofColorAgainstWhiteWorldSupremacy_10068225.pdf

Siege - James Mason
https://archive.org/details/Siege_836

The Storm of Steel - Ernst Jünger
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2OOm3YHr1WIX05wVlBraVhWQUk/edit

Thus Spoke Zarathustra - Friedrich Nietzsche
https://archive.org/details/ThusSpakeZarathustra_109

The Turner Diaries - William Luther Pierce
https://archive.org/details/TheTurnerDiariesByAndrewMacdonald

White Power - George Lincoln Rockwell
https://archive.org/details/WhitePower_189

>>130098266
The basic argument i got is
>Some people don't want to be taxed therefore the government is stealing from them when they are
But that doesn't really matter, since most people do and the people that do would obviously want everyone to also pay, and so would be willing to steal from them. So I guess in the end, taxes are just the majority stealing from the minority, but the minority are unproductive so fuck em'.

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>>130098584
Another ancap already answered this in this thread, scroll up if you're interested or look at this.

>>130091310
National Socialism is not the same as Fascism.
Stop saying they are.

Other than that.
Fascism makes a country strong and establishes trust in the government.

AnCap is wierd don't understand it's morals.

See >>130094888

>>130091310
Ive the exact same struggle.

>tfw i know ancap is the best ideology
>tfw that ideology will never happen if we dont save the white race first
>tfw only a fascist gov with a strong eugenics program could solve this mess and make an ancap society realistic
>mfw im only what is needed for an ancap future


>I live in Los Angeles so if I say I'm a fascist some nigger-commie will burn down my apartment complex.
>talking about politics outside of pol

why do people do this ? everybody's politics is so boring, superficial and predictable outside of here. You gain nothing but frustration and boredom

>>130098852
Yet your "golden age" created the Jewish Rockefeller dynasty, and allowed for the Jews to take greater control of the world economy.

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>>130091310
Americans are closer to agreeing with fascism that they know and its not bad either

I used to think fascism was wrong, but now I'm not so sure.

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>>130091310
>Watching mostly Cultured-Thug and Hans Herman Hoppe videos but can't decide which ideology is best or which movement to put my energy into
Take a step back and take time to form your opinions. Don't force views on yourself and take the time to think about it all. Read several books on fascism and anarcho-capitalism from a variety of perspectives and come to your own conclusion. Find middle ground, or choose a different ideology based on YOUR OWN opinions. Definitely read Hoppe and get into Austrian economics (through Rothbard) for the best understanding of economics which will also mold your opinions. Good luck

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>>130099289
Who the fuck cares?

>>130091310
I've been going through this dilemma also.
I feel like a fascist state that enforces a white and black ethno state that then progresses into separated libertarian ones would work

>>130091310
Just suck a dick OP, that's what you're really confused about. Might like it. Boot licking or child slaves, those are your choices

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>>130099583
Free markets do that naturally through gentrification. It's only when the government comes in to "uplift" poor people that we end up with this mess.

>>130098744
Power is as addictive as cocaine. There is no way that you can reasonably expect the state to stay the same size no matter how much you regulate the state. Also, you expect the state to regulate itself; thats like telling a heroin addict to only use a small amount of heroin.

Countries wouldn't buy up massive swaths of land because
a) land is expensive and companies use land very efficiently therefore they wouldn't lose profits to sell their land
b) all the land will have a plethora of owners and the land would be utilized in a way that the value would be extremely high, making it unreasonable for it to be bought
c) people don't suddenly want to give up their land, you would have millions of people refusing to sell

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>>130099638
>communist complaining about child slaves
Oh the irony

>>130098852
Yeah, but you also didn't have AI and technology and shit.

Look at Germany. They have (had) some of the most productive workforce ever. A capable engineer works on average 10+ hours a day, on working days.

They ended up stopping to reproduce. Now they're importing Nigerians, not just to insure stable growth of populations, but also to increse the buying power of german people, eg. market size. Ethnic Germans can't consume what they produce, so the communists decided to invite niggers in, to insure stronger market.

I don't believe labour market regulation is the worst thing ever.

>>130099090
-________-

it's immoral to steal. immoral.
if what your "taxes" go for is so important, why do you need to be thrown in prison for not paying? why can't it be voluntary? why can't i decide which institution to put my money into? why does a centralized bureaucratic monopoly know where my money is best spent?

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>>130099761
Well, I hope ancapistan ends up working. I doubt we'll see it in any nation today, but maybe in the future we'll get some seasteads and possibly even spacesteads that will be anarcho-capitalist strongholds.

>>130091788
Without interest rates, there is no incentive to lend money. Money lending is what allows businesses to start up. I don't support lending money for pure consumption like a new tv, or chronically lend someone money, but if used right, money lending can help an economy significantly.

>>130099289
the reason it got so corrupt is because we had an easily corruptible state monopoly on force. if society was stateless, he would have nothing but his money, but no power.

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>>130091310
Wake up. Hail Victory!

If you're not an ancap you're a fucking retard

>>130091310
>Reasons to support AnCap
You shouldn't do to others what you wouldn't want done to you.

>Reason to support Fascism
EPIK NAZI XDDDDDDD KILL EVERY1 AND GAS TEH J00S XDDDDDDDDDD 1488 DEUS VOOLT XDDDDDDD

>>130099311
it's terrible you fucking idiot.
you're just a moderate or mainstream political shill whose beliefs somewhat align with fascism and your hatred for unchecked immigration.

>>130100438
OORAH

>>130099213
>AnCap is wierd don't understand it's morals.
I can explain, I was ancap right up to the point where I figured out the holocaust was a hoax and Uncle Adolf did nothing wrong.
Simply put, all the ancap sees a government throwing money at niggers and spics for who knows what reason (of course, you don't think in terms of race just yet, you think of them as the "unemployed.") Consequently, an ancap wants no government at all, since he then wouldn't have to transfer money to Tyrone and Jamal for a night on the streets smoking crack and drinking booze, but could then use the money on his own ventures.
It's not the worst way to be, I chiefly prescribe it to lack of racial/jewish knowledge and knowing the government is screwing you over because you're white and not jewish.

>>130100499
THIS NIGGA GETS IT
you articulated it far better than I could have

>>130091310
the free market can't solve the jews
don't fall for their tricks

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>>130091310
They are vastly different, almost polar opposites.

Fascism is collectivist, the state decides whats morally correct and controls the economy, your personal life, and will gun down dissenters whilst maintaining an unsustainable jingoist foreign policy fighting for clay.

Anarcho-Capitalism is individualist, the only rule of the land is a moral reason for lethal self defense. There is no state to wage war, or do anything for that matter. So grow heroin around your missile silos with your child workers and enslaved communists.

Fashies like to make the "muh degeneracy" argument but in an ancap society there is no welfare to give to poor people to be degenerates. The whole structure of society is "only the strongest survive" so its just non collectivist fascist philosophy.

Also all the tax is theft stuff

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>>130091788
Without lending the only way to get the resources is to start up a business is to buy them, which is a heck of a lot more expensive and not always an option for people.

>>130100815
you weren't a real ancap then
if you actually subscribed to the values that voluntarism preaches, you would never change your ideology

>>130100887
Fuck off you jew. Have fun trying to out jew your neighbors.

Fascism without racial identity

>>130100955
Trust me, you change real fast once you figure out ancaps will never hold power, but races forge nations every day. Race > ideology.

>>130100887
>physical removal
>non-agression

huh?

>>130100541
Democracy is not a meme.
Communities are not a meme.

You should respect that. Outside your obsession with "markets", communities exist. I agree with you shills on most occasions, but you all act like psychopaths sometimes.

>>130100815
Exactly. They have no racial awareness and are ignorant to the fact that the Jew will not tolerate an Ancap society unless it is completely, and purely Jewish.

>>130101011
>UR AN FAG JOO REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
not an argument

>>130101113
ad hominem, not an argument.
Read mises.org, very fascinating topics. We don't have a fascination with markets," we understand human nature and economics.

I've noticed I've been inclining towards fascism as the years go by

>>130101135
jews will feel comfy in ancapistan, it's their game

>>130101097
Self defense.

>>130100339
Money directly equates to power, even in your childish fantasy stateless society. You think all problems stem from government, and thats nothing short of being a dogmatic zealot.
The problem is that people with interests which are at odds with the nation are allowed to freely operate in a free society. Even the founding fathers knew the dangers of having such a nation within a nation.

People do not need a state to amass wealth, influence, and power. If the state was structure explicitly for the defense and prosperity of the nation then outsiders would not be allowed to exist. They couldn't own property, have currency, or wield any influence.

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>>130101011
I do have fun out-jewing my neighbors, i bought 2k worth of ETH when it was 20 bucks and will probably use it as a deposit for a house.

We don't have to hate each other

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>>130101011
>jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew
There, I summed up fascist "arguments".

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>>130100032
>A capable engineer works on average 10+ hours a day, on working days.
>They ended up stopping to reproduce.
People worked harder than that in the past and it didn't stop them from breeding. I'd look into other factors. Mainly the state fucking with family laws.

>>130101139
>>130100887
>Also all the tax is theft stuff
Do you want an argument? Why would you not help the state? The state is why people aren't fucking animals. It's also not theft if you are willing.

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>>130101097
Self-defense isn't aggression.

>>130100541
really main stream shill just fuck off my beliefs aling more than with immigration faggot yours aling with degenerates who want to do whatever with no one telling them no

>>130101135
jews would cluster into jewish economic circles, whites, whites, blacks, blacks; this would happen naturally because the mean IQs would have difficulty competing with the higher IQ groups.

>>130091310
reminder that the founding fathers, while having republicanism in mind, would never have thought this would exist like it does today.

militant centrists are the chosen ones

>>130101260
a book made by a Jew

>>130101369
>private RWDS

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>>130101394
Because the state gets in the way far more than it helps.

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>>130091310
upset the established order... and everything becomes chaos

>>130101462
So you don't think the Jew would try to enslave other races in order to make its life easier, just like it always has?

>>130101260
>>130101139
>>130100923
>>130100955
Alright so what do you shills think about intellectual (artificial) property then? How does really non-material property work when you can't make laws?

Piracy isn't theft, for example, it's copyright violation.

>>130101546
This i the kind of national socialist you are debating with. Irrational and retarded. They are clueless that the economic system they embrace was conceived by a Jew.

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Fascism all day everyday

>>130101576
How so? When companies are making monopolies and fucking the average citizen and the state steps in, is that harming?

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>>130096720
>If you're smart, you'll understand economics and morality

an AN-CAP scum ever understanding mortality, funny

>it's just socialism (communism-lite)

do you not know anything of Strasserism or the night of the long knifes, Hitler detested socialism and communism, the only government interference in business was to insure morality in capitalism, NOT economic equality between the classes. The problems Hitler had with capitalism was that it placed economic growth/efficiency over morality

learn something before you post

>>130091310
Anarchism can not work, Anarchists are dumbasses

>>130101394
>Why would you not help the state?
It's not that we don't want to help the state: we just don't want the state to force us to serve it.
>but why?
Because I don't want to be a fucking slave you cunt

>>130092415
>flag

From where?

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>>130101394
>The state is why people aren't fucking animals
>war
In anarcho-capitalism, you would never see war. War is EXTREEEEEMELY unprofitable. Going to war means you get employees killed, property damage, and a decrease in profit from customers. War is business suicide.
The state run military industrial complex however does actively subsidize and prolong wars.

>>130101400
Foreigners moving in isn't an assault on your person. You can't claim that they're a threat unless you acknowledge the risk they pose to your people, as a collective.
If you're acknowledging this indirect existential threat then you're legitimizing action by the state on behalf of the people. Your views aren't the LARPy nonsense that you think they are.

>>130101553
>billionaire hires a bigger private army, pays them better
>kills you
>lol its fine because our society has no real moral guidance or justice since the court system is voluntary

Your ideology is nothing more than internet memes and fantasy cooked up by autists like Moly on youtube.

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>>130101539
you will be the first into the private gas chambers

>>130101793
Nazis are literal morons. Unreasonable and underage.

>>130101740
> morality
This is addressed by religion, in particular Christianity

>>130101858
Where does it say to sell culture over profit? Would you do that? I mean if you ran a store would sell sex toys at the front?

>>130101389
>Women inequality
Requires state, in ancap society your women would be just as much baby-murdering whores as they are now
>Worked harder
Working on your field, where you cantake your kid with you and be an example for him is different than leaving your kid with some college dropout so you can work 14 hours a day for some random jew.

Labour market laws are supposed to provide workers with oppportunity to spend the rest of the day on activities, such as legacy farming with your family.

>>130097089
>Not an argument ;)
also not an argument nigger

>>130096720
>If you're smart, you'll understand economics
>Capitalism
>natsoc is just communism-lite
hmmm

>>130101394
I don't want to help the state because it does not represent me and it spends my money poorly. They have essentially come up to my house, taken my guns away, and have replaced them with a shitty police service im forced to pay for. Tax is not voluntary and the government is heavily corrupted by shadow governments, corporations and Jews. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

>>130100176
Source for birb?

>>130101628
>Alright so what do you shills think about intellectual (artificial) property then? How does really non-material property work when you can't make laws? Piracy isn't theft, for example, it's copyright violation.

>For this reason, WE MUST CREATE A MASSIVE MONOPOLY ON THE USE OF FORCE! IT IS COMPLETELY RATIONAL!

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>>130101733
Companies don't make monopolies absent state intervention, unless they constantly provide a superior product at a lower price than anyone else is able to provide.

>>130101935
>you would never see war.
The state may not start a war, but I bet another country would take advantage of the outright betraying of the citizens. How can you rally for a war if you spend your time out jewing each other?

>>130101971
If the rules you have set for your property are "don't walk on the grass or i will shoot you" then its perfectly legitimate.

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>>130102079
>Where does it say to sell culture over profit?
Under capitalism, the only thing that matters is making money. "he who dies with the most money wins"
If that means selling out your race's culture to make a buck...so be it.

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>>130102199
I think it's called "crow girl and friends" or something

>>130102079
The real joke is that the vast, vast majority of libertarians and ancaps are white, but that's a conclusions that's arrived at in time. It's almost like there's a certain ethnicity that can tell it's being screwed over, thus turning to anarchism to try to break from the government doing the screwing, but they haven't quite figured out just why they're being screwed over yet.

>>130101597
That's when it gets fun. By attempting to enslave us, the Jew violates the non aggression principle since they initiated force. The second they violate the NAP, we retaliate in self defense with a real lolocaust.

BAM -- just like that, the JQ is answered once and for all with The Final Argument.

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>>130101534
>would never have thought this would exist like it does today
>A republic, if you can keep it.
You didn't keep it.

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>>130102187
>government is heavily corrupted by shadow governments, corporations and Jews.
I agree we can agree on something. We need to burn the fucking (((Democracy))) to the ground and put a strong non-jew infiltrated government in.

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>>130102079
I strong government is neccessary to keep things in order. An Anarchist society would just fail and we would get overrun my niggers and spics

>>130102304
> Under capitalism, the only thing that matters is making money. "he who dies with the most money wins"
If that means selling out your race's culture to make a buck...so be it.

You say this because you are ignorant of economics and what capitalism is. Capitalism doesn't prioritize anything. Why not look up a definition of capitalism.

>>130091310
what about just plain libertarianism with a provisional state in case of foreign invasion or communist uprising?

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>>130102445

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>>130101906
63% land

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsCSAEdxXMc

>>130101740
Yeah, we should be friends since most of our policies should be aligned.

>cryptocurrency implementation as parallel currency
>stop government intervention in white markets
>deregulation of interest rates
>Discontinuation of state-backed banking

>>130102449
Bro I get your some spic with an iq of 70 that's fine

But you havent made an argument you've just stated your opinion

>>130102218
>Companies don't make monopolies
So in an ancap country what would you do if a company made a monopoly and raised prices? Just take it?

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>>130102449
>An Anarchist society would just fail and we would get overrun my niggers and spics
If you're allowed to legally shoot people trespassing on your property then how it get overrun?

>>130101694
dont be a fucking moron and read about it and you will see its nothing like marx

>>130091310

The world needs both.

I'd rather live in a world with both libertarian and NatSoc nations living side by side, competing and driving human development forwards in different ways than have a wold dominated by a single ideology and growing stagnant.

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>>130102595
Create a competing company

>>130102391
>Let's make some magic government that won't get corrupted somehow although every government that has ever existed before has become corrupted and inefficient.
Grow up. Shake off your statist conditioning. Embrace the real world: there is no perfect state,the only way is voluntarism.

>>130101935
War is extremely profitable desu. You can enslave free labour.

>>130098626
Minarchists acknowledge taxation is theft. We just think anarchy wouldn't be able to stop communist fags and hordes of jihadists from overrunning the country.

>>130093439
People ARE sheep. Do you think the majority of people in western countries are products of their destinies? Their lives in the modern world amount to byproduct. Once you realize this you understand how few freedoms we would lose under fascism.

>>130102621
You get picked off one at a time. It's simple divide and conquer. All other things being equal, two gunmen are greater than one gunman.

>>130101694
also very jewy attitude you have there friend fuck helping your own money me me me me fuck my people and the fatherland who can i pay the least and earn the most

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>>130102470
>You say this because you are ignorant of economics and what capitalism is.
Economics - Aryanism
http://aryanism.net/politics/economics/
http://archive.is/pg39s

Fascist Economics and Socialism of Duty [How National Socialism is Different from Marxist Socialism]
http://archive.is/7CUMq

Hitler's Economic Miracle
https://pridecomethbeforeafall.wordpress.com/2014/02/10/hitlers-economic-miracle/
http://archive.is/hTgO2

How Hitler Tackled Unemployment and Revived Germany's Economy - Mark Weber
http://ihr.org/other/economyhitler2011.html
http://archive.is/XKACi

Manifesto for the Abolition of Interest-Slavery - Gottfried Feder
https://archive.org/details/GottfriedFederManifestoForTheAbolitionOfInterestSlavery1919

National Socialist Economics
http://pastebin.com/PPsmxdiK

National Socialist German Economic Policy
http://mk.christogenea.org/podcasts/national-socialist-german-economic-policy-part-1-june-15th-2013
http://mk.christogenea.org/podcasts/national-socialist-german-economic-policy-part-2-june-22nd-2013
http://mk.christogenea.org/podcasts/national-socialist-german-economic-policy-part-3-june-29th-2013

The Program of the NSDAP the National Socialist Workers' Party and its General Conceptions
https://archive.org/details/GottfriedFeder_TheProgramOfTheNSDAP

Terramare Publications #11 - German Economic Policy - Wilhem Baur
https://archive.org/details/GermanEconomicPolcy

>Capitalism doesn't prioritize anything.
Making money is a priority over everything else.

>Why not look up a definition of capitalism.
Because definitions, especially these days do not equal what a thing really is.

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>>130102118
>in ancap society your women would be just as much baby-murdering whores as they are now
Good. It's like eugenics but the inferior trash kill off their own bloodlines. The only women who won't kill their babies will be the good women, and good women raise good children. Also
>women inequality
>requires state
Inequality is the natural way of things. Even thousands of years back when our ancestors were living in caves there were gender roles. The state tampers with what is natural and fucks things up.

>>130102583
Fuckin BTFO holy shit

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>>130102702
>no perfect state
>every government that has ever existed before has become corrupted and inefficient.
That is why you deal with corruption instead of letting it happen.

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>>130091724
This.

>>130102777
>>130102449
Niggers and spics come to countries with welfare. Why the fuck would they go to a place where people can legally enslave and murder them for attempting to steal things from them?

>>130102298
If you kill someone for a minor trespass you're not civilized.

>>130102079
Hollywood, mass media, the "pop culture" in America today. We lost our culture and became whores that consume and export actual garbage to the world.

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>>130102218
>>130102347
>>130102470
>>130102621
>>130102702
>Lolbertarian/An-Cap Stateless Utopia™ pic related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vMypCinkRk

>>130102942
I don't refer to niggers and spics who can barely hold together a tribe, in the first case, and a government, for the second; I refer to the yellow races, who can and have built powerful empires. They're the ones who would do the picking off one by one.

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>>130102714
Slavery wouldn't exist under ancapism. It's unprofitable (slave labour is inefficient) and less people would buy products made from slave labour.

>>130102777
There are way more of us than there are them.

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>>130102777
So I band up with my neighbors and we take them out together. Or I use a bigger gun, because poor people from socialist nations won't be well armed. Or I hire a PMC to take them out for me.

>>130102974
I personally wouldn't because im not a shitty person, just as many people wouldn't do that because not everyone is a nigger.

>>130102754
again, private RWDS

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>>130101740
where do you derive YOUR morality then?

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>>130102940
i find this interesting how will you do it old blood lines new kings what in the case of the US elect a king? would you crown the Washington line are there any left?

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>>130103047
>shows communist china
>calls it anarcho-capitalism
No see, anarcho-capitalism is the opposite of socialism.

>>130103138
They have tanks. The vast majority of individuals and communities do not have access to tanks.

>>130103072
>I refer to the yellow races, who can and have built powerful empires. They're the ones who would do the picking off one by one.
PAHAHAHAH
brown detected

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The "An" part of "AnCap" is the biggest problem. If you think people are just going to spontaneously come together and trade honestly and justly according to fair dealings and just economic principles, you've been eating too much silica gel. Even if such an absurdity would occur, the nearest remotely-hostile organized state would invent some pretext for "intervening" in your territory and taking your shit, in order to "establish order" or whatever. No state = no strong military = no survival: not here on Earth; not now, not ever.

Imagine an AnCap collective adjacent to the nation pictured. It took three empires to bring it down. Loose coalitions of degenerate "merchants" would be BTFO overnight.

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>>130103072
Yellows are collectivists and struggle as individuals. They are only successful economically because the west has labor laws and they don't. They don't value life and will work for $2 a day.

Also open borders aren't synonymous with ancapism

>>130102118
>just as much baby-murdering whores as they are now
Not without access to state subsidies.

>so you can work 14 hours a day for some random jew
Oh now it's 14 hours already. If you're working that much you should be getting paid a lot more as well. Your choice. Nobody is putting a gun to your head. Also I like how some college student can only envision a past where the only work was field work. How about mines? People fucking died and worked immensely hard and no kids were brought along. You're looking at the wrong things.

>Labour market laws are supposed to provide workers with oppportunity to spend the rest of the day on activities, such as legacy farming with your family.
So they're stopping you from working too hard? If someone wants to fuck it. Let him. What gives you the right to tell a poor person he can't work 2 jobs? Not only that but he'd probably fall into a higher tax bracket and get taxed more than someone from the middle class.

>>130102927
>>no perfect state
>>every government that has ever existed before has become corrupted and inefficient.
>That is why you deal with corruption instead of letting it happen
H O W ???
YOU EXPECT THE STATE TO RESPONSIBLY REGULATE ITSELF? ARE YOU FUCKING 3????

>>130102849
Do you happen to realize what promiscuity is?
Have you ever read Lysistrata?

Again, culture is important. Your "good women" will be gold diggers and your "bad women" will be whores.

>>130103138
how will you fight of a state what militia or PMC has nuclear subs bombers and stealth fighters or operates the complex logistics lines to maintain an modern army?

>>130102621
what is this from?

>>130103276
I live in a country that airdropped trillions worth of tanks and ammo in afghanistan and we lost.
what the hell man its almost like the defensive side got stronger in the modern age

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>>130103276
Oh, so you're talking about a literal invading nation, not just some illegal immigrants? Well then I hire a PMC (with tanks) to take them out and I use guerilla warfare on them.

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>>130103411
>YOU EXPECT THE STATE TO RESPONSIBLY REGULATE ITSELF?
ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED? CORRUPTION CAN BE DEALT WITH It's NOT SOMETHING THAT CANT BE FIXED.

>>130103090
Yeah sure they would.
Works every time doesn't it?

Intel used to be buying sillicon from central Africa (enslaved young kids with shovels).

Is that the reason why you went to full-AMD CPUs anon? I don't think you even knew.

>>130103276
>Implying some dude hasn't been waiting for a chance to play with his recreational nukes or F-35s

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>>130103465
Short youtube video called Keloid.

>>130103446
PMC's don't have those things because they're not allowed to operate that way in nations. If there's suddenly a demand for PMC's tanks and attack helicopters like the other anon is suggesting then they'll have those things.

>>130103602
again, you never answered my question:
how?

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>>130103297
>Imagine an AnCap collective adjacent to the nation pictured.
dont have to. because your pic related instilled a belief in statism among its people, they now roll over like logs when they are told to go to prison for talking about the holocaust wrong
there is an obvious reason for why they would let the government fo that to them

The fact that you are in sway between such radically different and opposed ideologies tells me you're not very serious about either. Stop using politics as a fashion statement and start thinking about what's best for your community.

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>>130103507
>Well then I hire a PMC (with tanks) to take them out and I use guerilla warfare on them.
Which community has the resources and ability to (rapidly) acquire tanks?
>>130103471
>what the hell man its almost like the defensive side got stronger in the modern age
That, or it was a war that we were never trying to win, because after you win it, what's the excuse for sticking around to get black gold?

>>130103703
holy shit

>>130103694
Through a cleansing process, un-jewing your regime. Execution. Fear. Just a few thoughts.

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>>130103680
really there would be a PMC with a nuclear program? a PMC with boomer subs? just because of demand for it? what next any shithole can hire them?

>>130091310
Have you ever had the urge to stop someone you give a damn about from absolutely train-wrecking their life but you cant because "muh free will"? Well fascism is an ideology that prevents the stupid from coming up in the first place. It is not for the weak, nor the excusable.

>>130103820
that's what China's dynasties did to stamp out corruption, and they rotted away into the state they have now. Not sustainable,.

I've been working on how to reconcile fascism and ancap... it's like trying to bridge the gap between science and religion. The real Third Way would combine fascism and libertarianism. The problem with total freedom is that liberty has no way to defend itself -- it is eaten from without by (((selfish totalitarians, commies, and global zionists))) and from within by irresponsible degenerates. The problem with fascism is all the problems of statism combined with authoritarianism -- without the perfect ubermensch in charge, all falls to ruin. Freedom can't protect itself from chaos and fascism can't protect itself from tyranny.

I think the credo of Third Way must be something like:

>Every freedom but one: the freedom to give away your rights.
>Every right but one: the right to give away your freedom.

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>>130103781
modern weapons are getting expensive so expensive that even state with money to piss on them have to make budget cuts to believe a private company could afford to maintain a fleet of carriers and top of the line MBTs its fucking crazy

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>>130103204
It would certainly be difficult, I imagine that we would either
a) rejoin the British Monarchy
b) balkanize and each region would choose the person who helped most in the movement (sort of like a modern day George Washington made King).
c) choose a member of any European royal family to lead us (see Leopold I) because a lot of them are related.

>>130091724
This is the best way to ensure social order. It worked for centuries we can go back to it now.

>>130103698
>ancaps are naive and childlike

>muh god emperor will definitely do the things I want and not fuck me over

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>>130103781
Well, once you invade ancapistan you're gonna be dealing with a huge militia force, and a whole bunch of people willing to pay money to the local PMC's to see their homes and families defended. Nukes would actually be one of the most cost efficient ways of defending the nation, given how having a few of them makes most nations back away from invading even nations like North Korea.

>>130097177
It won't let me zoom in on her ass....

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>>130103703
You can't get away from the fact that without a state, you have no military, and without a military, you're fucked. You can say you'd "pay" so and so to defend you: but they'll just occupy you and take your shit. You can't throw shekels at people as an actual weapon. In fact, that's what AnCap is: a happy merchant who thinks he can throws shekels at every problem. But if we have bullets, and you have shekels, we have both bullets and shekels, and you have nothing. The state has a monopoly on effective, organized violence.

Without effective, organized violence, you're just crossing your fingers and hoping for beneficence from others. That's literally worked out zero times in human history.

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>>130103161
self sacrifice for the good of a united people. (aka something bigger than myself). As opposed to the NAP which allows for degeneracy as long as it involves a "voluntary transaction". the NAP puts individual rights and peaceful sovereignty over national well being, and ethnic unity.

>I was a lolbertarian for 3 years until i woke up, please take the fash pill

>>130104044
>Not sustainable,.
It is.

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Anyways, this is going in circles. I'm going to build on my original thought here >>130103781

Do you know why we fight decade long wars and slowly drain resources into them, instead of blitzkreiging and wiping them off the face of the earth? The great joke is that the government is ALREADY CONTROLLED by (((capitalists.)))
I'll explain. Government (you) foot the bill for invasion. Companies (internationalist cliques) move in to reap the profits, either as private contractors, developers, doesn't matter.
INB4, "you're a conspiracy theorist," this is right in front of your noses. Your state isn't the one in charge ANYWHERE. Your banks are FDIC. This means your banks can be WILDLY SPECULATIVE in their investments, with ZERO repercussion, because the government (through YOU and your taxes) covers their losses while they reap all the profits. This has already happened many, many times, through various recessions.
Leftists aren't wrong when it comes to capitalism. They have that down pat. They're just idiots when it comes to race, i.e they think they can civilize a nigger by giving them an Iphone.
Hence, you become a National Socialist. You take the best and most accurate from both worlds.

>>130104044
Yet they are investors' paradise.

The ideology I call GDP-fanaticism (muh economic growth, muh stronk markets) has been detaching itself from free-market capitalism lately. There's philosophers talking about it.

You faggots should better get on board with us NatSocs and have a small state with labour market regulation, because if we don't succeed, the marxist retards with their UBI will and that's when you'll see your real (((socialism))).

>>130104355
>let's terrorize people so we can govern effectively.
is that the best you can come up with?

>>130102563
i feel like you didn't read my post and just looked at my picture.
the meme made me laugh, that's all
i think we are on the same page

>>130103147
Also you need to standardize an underlying legal system in order for society to be functional. Common law isn't enough. At the very least, we need minarchism first.

I'm an anarcho-capitalist and a monarchist

>>130104251
Muh militias.
Slavic people had militias, yet Roman empire won every time, untill it was degenerate enough to collapse on itself.

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>>130104316
>national well being

>>130102583
>Bro I get your some spic with an iq of 70 that's fine
also not an argument?

>>130104251
but there are no private companys with nukes and no country in their right mind would agree to let them have nukes also the thousand other shit that no company can afford like carriers and shit that is expensive even for a state with tax money to piss on such things also militia tends to lose to states pretty often dont give me vietnam or afganistan crap

>>130104576
right just like I'm an anarcho-fascist.

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>>130104651
Militias have only gotten stronger with time. Ever since the firearm was invented the power of the militias has skyrocketed.

>>130104550
not really.
watch this video, anarchist law would be completely different than modern law.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTYkdEU_B4o
however, i do think that one way of achieving anarchy is through minarchism first then a transition of society into statelessness.

>>130104512
>>let's terrorize people so we can govern effectively.
The only terrorizing that will take place is the physical removal of the internal jew.

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>>130104287
>You can't get away from the fact that without a state, you have no military, and without a military, you're fucked.

Unlike states, anarchist societies have no capitals to conquer. You can't take over an anarchist society by capturing the capital, unlike a state. It's going to be more difficult to establish a state in anarchy than it is when one state conquers another.

Likewise, it's perfectly possible to fund defensive forces without a state.

>>130091310

ANCAP still allows the slimiest, most corrupt (((capitalists))) to fuck you over. Fascism stops them on their traclks, while still allowing citizens to pursue free enterprise without (((global corporations))) meddling.

>>130104685
Howbout you actually look at our arguments lol
exploreistaxationtheft.com/

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>>130104148
rejoining the monarchy and giving the crown to another king sounds better sort of what we did in this country when we had no king we went shopping for one and got one

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>>130091310
>Love the founding fathers and want to bring forth their vision/ be the man they would want in society.

The founding fathers wouldn't fit in modern libertarianism.

>>130104855
>The only terrorizing that will take place is the physical removal of the internal jew.
so you're saying non jews can never be corrupt?

>>130104316
You've been duped, national well-being is simply a veil pulled over your head to fund the "well-being" of your parasitic rulers.

Authority is fiction, the state is nothing but an elected mafia.

>>130092525
This

>>130104767
The East India Trading Company (and their Dutch counterpart) had YUGE navies. Bigger than most countries.

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>>130104316
>self sacrifice for the good of a united people. (aka something bigger than myself)

DAS RITE

>>130105076
You Anarchists all sound like children who didn't want to work a summer job and are still angsty their parents made them do it.

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>>130105040
>non jews can never be corrupt?
They can if they fall into the Jewish lies. It's easy for people to fall into the Jewish tricks. Remember with Jews you lose.

>>130105228
>You Anarchists all sound like children who didn't want to work a summer job and are still angsty their parents made them do it.

>Ad Hominem

Friendly reminded, ancaps are just as subversive as communists. They want to balkanize all western nations into city states for easy pickings by china and other non-white countries.

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>>130092525
>Fuck Natsoc. I'm a god damned Nationalist and I'm not going to cuck for the faggots we destroyed in WW2.

>>130104872
>ANCAP still allows the slimiest, most corrupt (((capitalists))) to fuck you over. Fascism stops them on their traclks, while still allowing citizens to pursue free enterprise without (((global corporations))) meddling.

Not having a state makes the externalization of the costs of exploitation by capitalists onto the taxpayers more expensive since there are no taxpayers.

Also, corporations are state granted privileges of limited liability. Under fascism, not only can the capitalists exploit the taxpayers, but it renders free enterprise impossible by having a corporate state.

>>130092525
Yeah this, nationalism is good. National Socialism is gay.

>>130091490
Rockwell was an NS but wanted to maintain the republic

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>>130104866
>Likewise, it's perfectly possible to fund defensive forces without a state.
And what protects you from said "defensive forces" should they decide to act offensively against you? An infinite regress of mercenary armies keeping the next on in check, ad inifinitum?

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>>130103253
Nike is an AMERICAN company.
They go where the labor is cheap, because MUH FREE TRADE IZ DA BEST. If the world was An-Cap, every corporation would immediately outsource their operations. If it's the extra-cheesy™ style of An-Cap without borders, they'll just keep the factories here and bring in cheap colored labor by the barge-loads. There are billions of cheap nonwhite laborers ready to pounce, and we will all be reduced to modern-day serfs fighting over scraps.
That's the An-Cap future, a global strip-mall owned by multinationals who can make things dirt cheap with borderline slave labor. Full of rootless coffee colored consumers who belong nowhere, and have no ties to their neighbors but have total freedom™ to choose what color case they get on their iPhones.

Anarcho Capitalism in a globalized world IS communism by stealth. There's no need for a "Red Revolution", unfettered worldwide competition for employment will drag us all down to "equality".

>>130104824
Yeah, and ancaps with KaliLinux are pretty cangerous too.

But the most important thing about fighting inside an army is discipline and being ready to die for a certain cause.

You "libertarians" might think people will die for their liberties, but in the end, when the invader says "okay I'm just gonna take 30% of your land, not 100%, if you tell me who else is fighting in this guerilla militia" to your average Frank, Frank is gonna tell everything you know.

>>130104866
That's retarded. You'll be beaten or massexecuted until you do as the organized collective says

>>130104824
but militias lose to states usually if the state is commited to winning and states army have gotten stronger and will get stronger with the automation of war drones will make war easy at least politicaly to declare and wage nobody will care if your militia men get blown up by a drone

>>130104367
But what happens if there is no government? How can jew capitalists control it then?

>>130105429
Legitimately masterfully put, mate.

>>130105218

pure altruism is a form of selfishness. For example, jumping on a grenade to save your buddies is an action, which implies jumping on the grenade is preferable to the person doing it. Therefore, it is a selfish act, as all actions are.

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Fuck statists. Liberty or death.

>>130091724
>Anglosaxon Monarchy

Fify

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>>130103138
>So I band up with my neighbors

implying they would join you

>Or I use a bigger gun, because poor people from socialist nations won't be well armed

a socialist nation would protect their citizens, and you cant buy a bigger gun that a socialist nation, no matter how poor.(ex. USSR) and your pussy lolbertarian neighbors wouldnt stand a chance, they probably wont help you in the first place

>Or I hire a PMC to take them out for me.

implying you could afford one

>>130092525
If you're a traditional nationalist, who believes in using science and natural law to better his nation ( race), than your a NS whether you like it or not

>>130096720
This

Most natsocs on here are really just trying to be edgy

>>130105340
That wasn't an argument, it was a statement.
In typical autistic child fashion you regurgitate nonsense rather than actually thinking. A blanket statement, even an insult, by itself does not constitute an ad hominem fallacy in argumentation. I'm not presenting an argument. If I call you a faggot it is not an argument. If I said you were wrong about something because you were a faggot then I would be making an argument, and it would be one based in ad hominem fallacy.

You stupid child.

>>130094267
Fucking based

>>130105228
Is it permissible to extort a bank for money to pay for your services? Then why is it permissible for the government to do the same?

It's a matter of asking simple questions. At the very least, the state is a necessary evil.

>>130105207
different times not long before that mercenary were actually worth a damn against state troops those times are not coming back and you cant convince people most people want more government not less

>>130094400
So pretty much just more power to local governments

>>130105443
>That's retarded. You'll be beaten or massexecuted until you do as the organized collective says

I'm not saying that isn't an impossibility, but there are other possibilities too, depending on the circumstances. You're imagining the worst anarchies and the best states. Not all anarchies are created equal, but the same is true of states. How many have been conquered throughout history?

>>130105664
My god just buy a fucking ICBM for mutually assured destruction.

Also there would be no war because the anarchist nation would be crypto or gold standard, destabilizing every other nation on the earth.