Political violence is a game the right can't win

>>130086190
firearms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHTKC0YLb9M

>>130086190
I hope the left believe it and act on it.

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>>130086190
Communists smashed in the face and blown the fuck out but not by cowards like OP he is a piece of shit.

We've been suppressing political violence for 70 years because the Right is really fucking good at it.

It caused a fucking World War what are you talking about.

1) the right has not even bothered to try. The left has been for over 40 years
2) we got guns
3) right wingers are far more industrious. The left is full of artists at their best. Their only benefit is muh feels while the right appeals to reality

>>130086190
He's got some good points, especially the fact that right-wingers don't organize. Look at every thread about a free speech rally. There's always a pack of assholes just sitting back and making fun of them instead of actually trying to be constructive. It's not just on 4chan either. The same phenomenon takes place on every right-wing forum. AR15.com is exactly the same. People are more interested in swinging their dicks around trying to look like they're above everyone else than they are interested in actually contributing their labor to something that actually changes the situation we all face.

Also, right-wingers tend to be ardent individualists. We don't network the same as lefties, and when we do network our networks are much smaller. Any grunt can tell you that pulling security on a position with less than 8 people sucks balls. You need sleep, and you need people to watch you while you sleep. And two is one and one is none, so you need two people up at any point in time, otherwise someone (who is exhausted just like everyone else) is going to nod off and miss waking up the next shift.

You NEED people. You need MANY people. You need as many people as you can get and we fucking suck at that because we're too individualistic and hierarchical. We are either loners or assholes stuck in dominance contests.

>>130090880
But that being said, left-wingers do fucking suck at organized violence. This guy completely ignores the fact that unlike a protest, where all you have to do is show up, winning a war takes a lot more than just having the most warm bodies. Militaries need discipline. You can't negotiate orders and come to a pluralistic consensus on strategy. The commies tried that shit in the Spanish civil war and got mauled.

OKC says otherwise.

>>130090880
I think that's because if you fuck up any attempt you end up martyring your opponent, and lots of alphabet agents try to provoke it so that they get an excuse to campaign against us. You gotta pick your fights right.

Leftists can't fight. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greensboro_massacre

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>>130091583
A bombing does not a civil war make.

If right-wingers seriously believed that a civil war was eminent (which they clearly don't), then they should be organizing into small squads of training cadre, which focus on squad leadership and squad training skills. If something were to kick off, then these squads could form the core of larger units. So squad leaders and a platoon HQ. Just add untrained volunteers to fill out the rest of the platoon when shit goes hot.

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The author doesn't claim that the Left is unbeatable. He claims that the Left is miles ahead of the Right when it comes to organization and mobilization, which is 100% TRUE.

It's pointless to hash over the reasons why this is the case. The question is "what can be done about it"?

My two cents is that we should look at what happened during the Trump campaign, specifically during the primary. Grassroots organizations sprung up, and then they were absorbed by the official campaign as the primary went on.

In this case, I think it's important to have the following:
1) Likeminded friends, family, or coworkers in your immediate geographic vicinity. These are the guys that you can call up immediately if SHTF and start coordinating with. I'd say anywhere from 6-12 kameraden (read: right-wing men between 16-60 years old) should be a good start. If you don't have this, a good place to start would be at your local Young Republicans group (I know it's cringe but you have to work with what's available).
2) Contacts with more politically-engaged people than you. Using the Trump example, if you volunteered during the campaign, then you had at least one contact higher up the chain. You need someone plugged in closer to the center in order to accurately understand what's going on, and a personal connection that you trust is the best way to do that.

>>130086190
Conservatives don't need to organize because deep down you know that white men yield and yield and yield and yield and then snap and all of a sudden everyone is on the same frequency.

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>>130086190

I agree.

>>130092624
>a good place to start would be at your local Young Republicans group
Or Proud Boys, or Oathkeepers. Or see if your local range hosts 3-gun competitions or runs tactical courses.

>>130086190
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtMWNegdD8U

bats vs guns

>>130092760
This.

>>130086190
>too good at organizing
>lost FL, PA, OH, MI, WI
Kekfinity

>left is so organized
>so organized they lost 1200 seats senate, supreme court, and presidency
>don't control anything outside of kike controlled failing media
that blog is fucking shit and the person who wrote is an idiot. it's the left who are violent and the right who will reaction and crush them.

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>>130086190

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>>130086190
>>130086190
This is a garbage article (from a garbage website btw, see here: http://jacobitemag.com/2017/06/02/trumps-secret-sauce/).

That he compares the civil war to the situation today just shows he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

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>>130092980
We focus on guns too much. In Afghanistan getting shot at was kinda fun, because we were so much better at open fighting. People actually dying from getting shot was rare. It was the IEDs that killed. And the lefties have plenty of experience with bombing, as >>130092917 pointed out.

So don't think that just because we have more guns and we're much better at using them that the left is toothless.

It can't be stressed enough that you NEED to find real people who live near you who you can trust when SHTF. Things are going south fast. You can't gather in public now and express yourself without being the victim of violence. You can't express yourself anywhere without fear of being the target of harassment or vandalism. And now we see those on the furthest fringe are willing to murder a bunch of congressmen. Shit is going to get worse. Prepare now.

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>>130086190
>implying liberals could organize a piss up in a brewery, especially all these edgy anarchist types who have never had a job in their life and hate following orders
>implying right wingers don't already have armed militias who train for civil war every week of their lives never mind the vast majority of cops and military being right wing or at least patriots

>>130086190
Every day I hope a massive civil war breaks out. This is the equivalent of waiting for school to be over to kick the loudmouth punk kids ass.

>>130086190
The main reason the right is even relevant these days is because they took down the MSM as the sole arbiter of information. The internet is actually a very big boon to the decentralized and individualist nature of the right, as it allows many individuals to act with a common goal in a bottom-up that style.

>>130090880
what's interesting is more how quickly right wing groups can organize. The Proud Boys popped up over night. Then you've got the hard core militias already organized like the 3%ers, Oath Keepers, etc.

I think a lot of these analyses are failing to realize right wing groups are organized, just not on a national level. How that plays out during a violent situation is an unknown.

>>130093551
Did you watch the livestream of the Portland rally? The rally goers were outnumbered several times over. They do not have any trouble getting the word out and recruiting people. Organizations like BAMN have been doing that shit for decades.

>>130086190
I've been seeing some good shit out of Jacobite lately. Kantbot contributes there too.

>>130094263
>The Proud Boys popped up over night.
They did, and it's fantastic. But /pol/, which should be joining and embracing the Proud Boys in droves, does nothing but shit all over them every time they're mentioned. Bunch of edgy jackasses here haven't stopped rebelling against their dads and can't stop pissing over everyone who is trying to actually change something.

>>130090880
Right only sucks at organization because every group they try to start ends up being 50% federal informants. It's not because we refuse to organize or don't know how or anything like that, but that our groups are targeted by the government whereas the left is free to organize as they please, with basically unlimited funding for it.

But what the right does have is connection in their local communities, which is the most important thing in this sort of modern street violence/insurgency. Leftists are mostly burnouts, bad relationships with their families, hated by their local community, and only have superficial friendships.

>>130092947
Is this really what's up? Mine does this but I don't go yet.

>>130093551
Political organization is not at all the same as organizing a riot.

>>130092624
Hahahaha they may organize and huddle in crowds which are perfect targets for someone in a building firing at them if it does come to a civil war these fucking knuckle dragging nigger lovers will get btfo within a month because the retards cant adapt and will huddle in groups shouting while getting literally kent stated and ventilated

>>130094507
well duh, /pol/ is a shitload of people, including commies. Nothing to do but sort through the shit and post stuff other like minded people will read.

>unarchived link
>1 post by this ID

This is obviously a shill from Jacobite trying to generate page views

http://archive.is/jOhBw

Conservatives control America's food supplies...

Any civil war will be short lived and result in liberals trapped in their cities eating each other.

>>130094001
>And the lefties have plenty of experience with bombing,
Not really.

Give evil nothing to oppose and it will disappear by itself. - Lao Tzu

>>130090880
Very good points, I will also add that (and I know this is a meme) but Right Wingers often have more responsibilities that lefties.

>>130094562
gun clubs and competitions can get pretty tight knit. You all have common interests and dedication; try striking up a conversation. Easy to make friends.

>>130094984
make it two posts

GET IN HERE!!!!!

THEY'RE READY TO MARCH ON THE COLLEGE

ANTIFA IS WAITING

STREAM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrgH0mVSPkE

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>>130094527
>Right only sucks at organization because every group they try to start ends up being 50% federal informants.
There's no way that a federal informant is going to infiltrate a group of 5-6 guys that just hang around on weekends and sometimes go to the range. Just don't associate with idiots. Only do this with actual friends that you trust, not some sketchy fat mall ninja wannabees who do nothing but scream about niggers and jews and tries to convert his AR into full auto.

>>130095025
Don't remember the Weather Underground?

>>130086190
"way too good at organizing" as in being helped by the establishment

>>130094021
The biggest difference is that right wing is connected with normal people, through work, church, family whatever. These are the people that will have your back. Leftists don't have a real network of people they can trust.

The battle lines are drawn by election map. Do you think swarms of liberals are gonna drive vehicles that don't exist out into the country. If a civil type war breaks out do you want to be in Nebraska or NYC after two months...

>>130086190
Sort of agree. We are up against degenerated. However, the center and reasonable democrats don't want a violent world. So, although the left has a much larger group of nut cases to draw on, the world will ultimately reject their vision. So besides self defense the the right has no reason to escalate to violence.

>>130088614
Firearms are great, but a highly organised and determined force is far better.

>>130086190

Political violence from the right will be incalculably more effective than that from a Culturally Leftist opposition. But it can only come as a final, all encompassing last purge.

P.R. and the current power structures allow the left to operate violently with impunity, while the converse is true for the left.

So until the tipping point is reached, all the Right can do is provoke attacks on themselves and document and publicize. And of course, restrained defense.

During this period it's important to prepare for war and encourage the Left to punch themselves out early on.

>>130095115
Gonna attend my local idpa shoot that coming up then. Actually have a lot of old high school buddies involved in it. They do all the shoots and group builds and whatnot. Prolly a good start.

>>130095220
I'm talking about larger organization, as implied in this article.

>>130094986

a big portion of americas economy stopping dead in its tracks in this day and age would make the great depression look like your electric bills

>>130094162
Another good point. Even if there is a civil war, we need to use strategy. Asymmetric warfare; tactical information warfare, combined with tactical boots on the ground hit and run warfare.

>>130094265
>>130094507
you seem to be shilling for the cointelpro shit organization known as proud boi and oath cuck. neither of these groups are good. the only good groups will be created instantly when the violence kicks off and then organized from there.

faggot larpers and cuckservatives are a waste of time. this blog is fucking gay and some faggot leftist most likely just trying to demoralize people with his bullshit.

the right is reactionary and will fucking destroy the left when it kicks off

>>130095199
Czeched & keked
>It'sGoingDown!

>>130086190
Political violence against *people*, yes. Violence against infrastructure? Easy. If you blew up a few transformer substations and set a bridge or two on fire like that crackhead accidentally did in Atlanta, most major cities would turn into the Purge within 48 hours.

Especially if you did it the day before EBT cards refilled.

>>130094265
They are very well funded as well.

>>130094986
The left eats it own--literally. I am opposed to political violence but you make a compelling argument for desiring a civil war.

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>>130086190
So, what can a single man do aside from get armed and make sure his close friends and family is prepared best we can be?
Honestly in WV im pretty sure im safe from most shit in fan scenarios but still.

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>people who live off government handouts and don't work are better at organizing in their 16+ hours of free time a day that they have from having no responsibilities

>>130086190
Oh ok then, I'll just get my pillow and go back to sleep.
so sleepy

>>130095116
stop giving the kikes money, archive your links

>>130095259
That's like saying the Japanese have tons of combat experience because they were in WWII. The guys around today are green and don't know anything about bombs except from the anarchist cookbook.

Disorganisation helped us meme President Trump into office, fighting 4chan is like boxing with shadows.

>>130094986
That scenario is contingent on the ability to actually besiege a city, as in control and cut off all transportation. That takes a huge amount of manpower and logistics, which doesn't currently exist. Hence this discussion.

>>130095574
THERE'S A BUNCH OF COMMIES IN THE CHAT TALKING ABOUT HOW WE ALL NEED TO TAKE SOCIOLOGY CLASSES


EVERGREEN STUDENT IS SPEAKING RIGHT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrgH0mVSPkE

GETTING READY TO MARCH INTO THE COLLEGE

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>>130095591
oh I like that idea

>>130086190
how can the right not win? it's literally winnable, just fucking go in there and beat them up

>>130095591
>Especially if you did it the day before EBT cards refilled.

I would think looting would occur weather or not people stocked up on potato chip.

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>>130086190
Pic related
/thread

>>130095259
That was forty years ago. The Weathermen are all at least forty years old. Given that most were in their twenties to thirties at the time they'd now be sixty to seventy.

Can you honestly see Jamal and some lisping nu-male blowing up a building? Not any more effectively than Cletus and the Proudboys. The days of the Soviets and friends providing military training and aid to US based insurgents are over with.

>>130095410
doooo iiiiiiit shit's fun.

>>130090880
> actually contributing their labor to something
You know, to family, to their career, to studying. These are things that give good mid-term reward in terms of money, self-esteem, etc.

>no comment section

Wow that really boggles those neurons.

He forgot to write "Lefties can't take criticism".

>>130086190
There's way more right wing militias and such. Either way, historically, the right almost always wins in political violence unless the left has the entirety of the state.

>>130095536
>this blog is fucking gay and some faggot leftist most likely just trying to demoralize people with his bullshit.
It's neoreactionary, so yeah pretty much.

>>130086190
Maybe the old left, they were mostly unionists and hard men.
Today's left are scrawny kids who hate the working class.

>>130095973
>they'd now be sixty to seventy.
So were a lot of the first bomb-makers in Afghanistan. They made the IEDs and got young, untrained people to place them, and they also trained apprentices for when they died. I've probably got pictures somewhere of this toothless old man we nabbed for making ANNMAL.

>>130095407

Also this article is heavily from the perspective of Cuckservatives.

Much of what he talks about accurately describes the likes of the Oath Keepers and friends.

America is seeing more interest lately in modes of organization similar to the New Right in Europe.

Of course, he leaves it unsaid, but it's difficult for the Right to organize because they literally have the weight of the entire establishment coming down on them, while the same establishment does all it can to assist the left.

Hence the importance of Trump in giving the Cuckaervatives a black eye.

It would serve Western Rightists well to study organizational systems that aren't just adaptations of the leftist systems (like the Identitarians do), but to also closely study the Japanese and Israeli systems.

>>130089303

The only reason that happened was because the right organized in the way that Hines suggested. A bunch of organizers got boots on the ground, prepared for the enemy, and met them head-on.

>>130090880

There's also the matter of fiscal infrastructure. Wesearchr is falling through because CCJ is apparently a moron, but Pax Dickinson has a new startup on the way called CounterFund. Supposedly it should help handle bail + legal fees for right-wingers like WeSearchr helped with Kyle Chapman's.

Dickinson also had a good tweetstorm where he outlined methods to ensure that lefties who did get violent would face a greater risk of getting Eric Glanton'd.

>>130091510

This is another valid point. A well-organized army can easily subvert and rout a mob quite larger than them. Sun Tzu's Art of War should be required reading. IMO it's probably one of if not the most important piece of literature in human history.

>>130093551

So like is the Fascist flag the new Leaf in terms of being a banner for atrocious low-quality posts?

>>130086190
I believe we are far from a physical civil war, but we are for sure in a soft civil war. What we need now, in the intern, is to have cyber warfare on the media. We need hackers to get into MSM and leak info. This should be an immediate goal. Unfortunately, I am not seeing the desire to do this.

>>130095846
I'm a rural, hunter sonabitch, and I could care less...BUT! The fact that there might be chaos and some ass clobbering time with them by LEO.. fuck it, where the popcorn at y'all

>>130095591
Doesn't matter if the card is filled or not, no electricity= no refrigeration or freezing. How much more non-perishable foodstuffs would a city actually have that can take u; the demand of the spoiling food if power is cut?

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>>130086190

I should fear the left? The anti-gun, get fucked in the ass, can't figure out proper speak to identify 50+ different kinds of them left?

I take my chances with my guns and my shooting buddy defending our property and families. And if the send the military in to stop it, I'll be pissed since they'll be having all the fun, but at least a few fucks to have a beer with will be nice.

>>130096287
>It would serve Western Rightists well to study organizational systems that aren't just adaptations of the leftist systems (like the Identitarians do), but to also closely study the Japanese and Israeli systems.
Could you elaborate? What exactly do the Israeli and Japanese systems do? Who are we talking about here?

The violent left deserve justice. I'd love to see them get it various ways. Winning is more important than satiating revenge however. I have the feeling that they the left are cashing out decades of political lagitamacy by their often unanswered violence. So let them continue. We all know how all out civil conflict will treat them if it ever comes to that.

>>130095973
>The days of the Soviets and friends providing military training and aid to US based insurgents are over with.
This is an important point as well. During the cold war times there was a lot more international support for leftists.

>>130092947
Proud Boys would be your best bet. Good organizational structure and in addition, due to the Laissez Faire nature of it, individual chapters can have variations in ideology (I've heard of Proud Boys chapters being Redpilled).

>>130096548
What you fail to see is the lefts death by thousand cuts tactics. It must be dealt with.

>>130090880
Another thing the author ignored was the really important fact that one factor (and one factor alone) determines success in battle: Logistics. Liberals sure do invent a lot of stuff, and represent corperate america, but you can't get a CEO to make an AR-15, or use a burger flipper to ranch beef. More importantly industry in this country is almost the exclusive purview of middle America, having long since left the urban centers. Farming as well. While some blue states do make the food, the people who make it aren't Hillary voters.

The US in some kind of mythical left/right civil war would have one side well equipped but small in numbers which collaborate well in small teams like a 40 man militia, but break down in organization at the company level and above. That would be a problem if we were going to fight a 3rd generation war with artillery and propeller planes. What will actually happen is an asymmetrical war, likely with some kind of conscription army against a sizable force of very capable and resourceful, and hard to kill enemies dug into the local population like a tick. If this sounds familiar, it should because is the exact war we've been fighting in Afghanistan for 16 years. No one will 'win' but a divided nation lacking food or industry will be a disaster for the left.

>>130092624
Or have a billionaire send tens of millions your way, antifa would irrelevant without Soros.

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> It claims that leftists are way too good at organizing for the right wing to beat them.

k

>>130094507
The Proud Boys are cucks. Join Identity Evropa instead.

>>130096397
Politically, the right is surprisingly unorganized right now. I think we're sort of like a dog chasing cars who caught one and has no idea what to do with it.

The cuckservatives haven't given up. McCain and co are still backstabbing and aiding the enemy wherever they can. The older conservatives who supported Trump have just moved on with their lives, and the younger conservatives are getting disillusioned because Trump wasn't able to conjure a 50ft wall into existence overnight. So much fucking bickering while the left are fucking rampaging in the streets. It sickens me.

>>130086190
Implying that large groups of people aren't sitting ducks for a few snipers on the rooftops. Nigga please. A few rooftop Koreans could get rid of the Democrats, if they threatened their livelihood.

>>130094401

They've got Nick Land, Kantbot, and Andrea Castillo, those are all some great figures.

>>130094507

Different strokes for different folks, anon. I'm not a fan of the Proud Boys. I support them, and I'd fight alongside them in a happening, but I think a lot of their whole pseudo-fraternity schtick is kinda dumb.

>>130086190

The right has the two biggest gangs in the US.
The military and the cops.
Good luck brickbat niggers.

>>130095536

They're honestly not bad organizations and serve a purpose AS LONG AS THEY ARE KEPT IN CHECK.

It's important that they act as socially acceptable organizations and do not supercede (or subvert) the actual Right Wing organizations.

In both Germany and Japan there were (still are in Japan) plenty of benign civic nationalist groups - but the Left were (and are) right in that they act as gateway groups or "fronts" for more traditional or radical Right Wing ideologies.

The left and Islamists also have these functionaries.

>>130096166
That's one reason comparing it to the civil war is just dumb. Civil war had regular militaries on each side. Today, almost all of combat vets are right wing. Leftists would need to be conscripting and training normies, which the right would outpace them on too.

GET IN HERE IT'S HAPPENING!!

HIPPY JOHNNY EDITION

MARCH ON EVERGREEN

>>>>130096870

>>130096984
Awesome point

I have a small arsenal and over 3k rounds of ammo in my bedroom closet.

I'm just a regular guy too.

>>130096927
>I think a lot of their whole pseudo-fraternity schtick is kinda dumb.
Yeah, having friends is for fags, amirite?

Right could win if they dropped the whole Anglo-Saxon individualist bullshit and embraced Asian-style tribalism. But no we need muh rigged individualism.

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>>130086190
>8
Well faggot the biggest issue is that whites can't advocate for themselves anymore without being called a racist. Without the ability to do this, we're fucked. Doom'd by the jews to become a part of (forgotten) history. Fuck the kikes.

>>130086190
ARCHIVE LINK
http://archive.is/jOhBw

>>130096688
Get them to escalate the violence. We need more reasons to hang them in the streets, they start popping off familes and kids maybe it will be enough of an ass fuck to wake up the rest of America and final solution their asses.

Truth be told, they won't so shit, we won't so shit, fucking sucks man. At this point our best bet is to hold ground in the red states and get Cal-Exit going, if they leave we have a good chance, also, there's a damn good chance we could invade and take out millions of them no problem.

>>130097043
We're going to see Weimar type violence, not open warfare IMO.

>>130095591

This was the policy of the ANC.

Mandela allowed hideous violence to be used INTERNALLY against traitors. But his terrorist attacks were confined to financial and infrastructure damage. Precisely because that's what actually hurts those pulling the strings and avoids providing bad optics to outsiders.

>>130095403
what are they gonna organize? a queue for ppl with arms to shoot them?

>>130086190
>cant organize
>what is the military
Or do they believe they will stand with commies?

>>130086190

Just dropped in yo say that I've been spreading this link too.

I was raised on the right side, tons of guns and all, convinced that as soon as the shtf we would be able to dominate, but that isn't so.

Read moldbug, read land, etc. took the jabobinpill.

If you understand, just spread it as much as possible. Talk corporate theory with your friends, family, coworkers. Get the idea out. Everywhere. Democracy has to die, or else we all will.

>>130096741

My bullet, my choice.

>>130095536

You realize that shitty posts like this are basically proving Hines's point, right?

>the only good groups will be created instantly when the violence kicks off and then organized from there

You REALLY need to study up on military history. Victory comes primarily from proper planning, organization, and preparation. The left is preparing for a happening by organizing. The right is throwing ideological hissy fits and unironically saying "cointelpro".

>>130086190
Despite being a wall of text and taking the bait, I would highly recommend reading the text as it goes to extent as to how these groups actually operate. It explains a lot actually.
>>130092624
This, we need closer integrated groups that know each other on a personal level.

>>130097276
The issue is more the intermediary, where the military is not deployed for civic placation.

>>130095403
oh ya a 10 thousand man dragon dildo army is going to have tons of success against a 100 well trained men who are armed to the teeth

>>130097170
Shit like this is self-defeating. You think you're helping, but you're not. You're making it much, much harder for right-wingers to find popular support. In fact, this edgy nazi garbage is so bad for us that you may as well be working for the lefties.

Look, I get it. You hate your parents. So you fixate on something everyone told you is bad and you say it's good just to give everyone the finger. But none of this nazi crap helps fix the country. In fact it hurts the people who are trying to fix the country. So just keep that edgy teenage shit on 4chan, OK?

>>130086190

I've gone to 2 protests so far, with an organized squad, unit cohesion, and practice with poles.

So far, the only thing that happens is that "leftists" get arrested for starting fights.

>>130097138
LIke I said earlier, we need hackers. I have 3k rounds also, my goal is 10K, but we need hackers.

>>130097222

Ain't gonna happen. The right wing cucks will just hide in their gated communities and let the world burn around them.

>>130097306
lol you will all die.

Fucking try it please holy Jesus we will make Freikorps vs Communist Bandits look like kids playing Cowboys and Indians.

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>>130097306

>Read moldbug, read land, etc. took the jabobinpill.

My dream is that more people will do this and eventually /pol/ will not be so overrun with batshit retards.

>>130089303
Recap on this?

>>130095827


You don't need to completely isolate a large city just impede its food and resource intake (fuel and power) to the point where demand outstrips the supply. At that point riots break out and the infrastructure breaks down even further.

>>130090880
Organized right wing groups are always arrested for being right wing and organized, they don't even have to commit any crimes.

>>130095846
Haven't really been paying attention to this stream, but did someone just yell "he's got a knife"?

>>130086190

I'll believe this when the left isn't entirely dominated by hippies and dangerhairs.

>>130086190
>Say the balloon were to suddenly go up: forget having a detailed and specific plan; in that first five minutes, do you — not some veterans’ network you’re hoping will salvage things, not some imaginary Great Man; *specifically you* — even know who you’re going to call?

the police?

>>130097984
YES

they just disarmed him

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>>130096927
>those are all some great figures

>>130097538
You are right, The Nazi thing is dumb and is unrealistic... However, brainstorming this is helpful. I am older, and am telling you, things have not been this bad in my lifetime. I have good instincts and they tell me to start planning just a little bit. We almost had at least 20 congressmen gunned down. That is unprecedented!

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>>130097538
Look nigger, nothing you said applies to me. I believe in a different kind of ethnostate, one in which whites are the majority but we do allow immigration. A nation should always be 75-85% native born. The jews are actively trying to exterminate whites. They push "muh multicultrualism" while retaining their Ethnostate, cuckservatives and shitlibs are both pro jewish because jews are infiltrated both parties.

Your a faggot

>>130086190
HAHAH.
Hilarious.

Let me tell you how this will go down. Heard of the years of lead in Italy ?
The left will begin violence, then the right we'll have enough and do ten times as much damage in half the time. Because the right disciplined, something the left will never be.

>>130097453
its won by proficiency with weapons and supply of arms m8

the left can organize all they like it will result in a race war and the whites on the left will be killed by their confused non white parteners

let them wear a uniform or develop secret codes it will be broken by the right who will already be ready to fight on ethnic lines and we will infiltrate their groups and fuck them up easily

>>130096551

I'm at work, so I don't have a lot of time, but I suggest wiki-ing around.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryōichi_Sasakawa

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshio_Kodama

Essentially it's a large nested Russian doll system.

At the bottom you have the Uyoku Dantai. The loons in the black vans.

Then it progresses up through street thugs, the Yakuza, the Police, Labour Organizers, and into the fringe political parties and then the mainstream ruling party. They even have their own moderate or liberal groups (literally controlled OP).

Having trouble with a journalist? Tap a fringe political party leader to put a word in the Yakuza, who then put a word in with a street thug, to rough him up. The police will look the other way, and the Yakuza will throw them a Korean drug dealer to keep the numbers up.

They have a multitude of connected organizations for different roles that all maintain plausible deniability.

They don't say "we can be Neo-Nazi Skin Heads OR Suit & Tie Civic Nationalists", they simply accept both and then form connections between them.

>>130086190
Challenge accepted.

As a member of the National Guard, I can't wait to bayonet a crowd of hippies and coloreds.

They should have just dispersed...

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>>130097939
Nah, they normally get arrested because some fat useless shit with no self disciple and a hunger for quick power starts making bombs or modding guns for full-auto.

Seriously the best thing you can do when picking the people to talk to about politics and organization is keep the fucking fatties away. No fat people. Seriously. If they can't control the shit they shove in their mouths they can't be trusted to do anything right.

NO FAT PEOPLE.

>>130095963
Hahahahhaha God bless this mess

The left has artists, intellectuals, hippies, drug addicts, criminals, and unemployed losers on government checks.

The right has farmers, mechanics, carpenters, and everything inbetween. Also much deeper roots in communities. In an asymmetrical war I'm not sure there's a way for the left to win. We just starve them out and pick them off.

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>>130094507

The right can beat the left in a fight easy, but that only helps so much when the other side has superior numbers. Also most of the skirmishes so far have been with Antifa, or in other words, middle class hippie white college students. If groups like BLM start showing up the right might have a problem, because the lower classes do know how to fight. The best thing to do is appeal to the rational majority in our own communities and start building bridges across party lines so that large scale violence can be avoided. It would be great if all the violence could be avoided, but I'm pretty sure the media and the left aren't going to let that happen. At the very least there's probably going to be more "battle of Berkeley" style riots this summer. We need to work for peace as long as we can, but there's no reason local peaceful activism can't be part of that. Then if fighting becomes unavoidable our grass roots structures will be in place too.

there is nothing about a civil war that can be stopped from becoming a race war in the US.

The left will eat itself alive when the right infiltrates their groups and kills shit skins to the point a white person cant ally with them. Then you are left with a splinters minority white group and shit skins who could never win a civil war against whites.

>>130097998

Read the prequel article to all of this: https://status451.com/2017/01/20/days-of-rage/

The people who were blowing shit up in the 60's and 70's WERE hippies and dangerhairs, with a few dindus to even things out.

>>130097158

You can have friends without joining a frat, anon.

>>130098223

>its won by proficiency with weapons and supply of arms m8

Again, have you ever taken a military history class ever? The closest you came to being right was "supply of arms" but even then that means dick all without food or water. Logistics is a part of planning and tactics. Again, planning, planning, planning.

>>130086190
meh. never gonna happen except at maybe some super low level like the weathermen in the 60s.

The left uses more facebook groups then the right I guess. Do they really want civil war? How many on the left will stay home when it gets violent? Probably like 90% of them and the 10% will run at first conflict.

>>130096927
>>130097158
It's a legitimate problem.
What I've come to realize, is that the greatest failing of America was mass immigration, even that of the 1800s.

This had led to a nation of people that escaped their problems.
A nation, no longer made up of people brave enough to fight tyranny.
A nation of people with many cultures.

United we stand, divided we fall.

>>130086190
Most lefties are overweight and lazy. The right is beginning to outnumber and outperform them. We don't hear of the right wing attacking anyone because they don't. We don't resort to violence on most occasions, we'd rather be more productive.

>>130095025
Except for the entire fucking seventies and eighties.

Jesus Christ, right wingers try to no the pay taxes on a farm and get blown up by military tanks. Left wingers coordinate a nationwide, decade-long domestic terror bombing campaign, and the founders ignored the groups become professors.

Right wingers: get it through your heads: you are not on the wrong side. You are on the wrong spectrum. Democracy itself is the problem. Right Ian not the answer to left, it is the justification.

States should be run like every other highly profitable corporation. The fact that citizens of the US don't receive dividends is indefensible. The reason that the state isn't not profitable is because it is not well run. It is not well run because actors, hired by the interested rich, are playing your personal preferences against each other.

Transcend it. Give up politics. Your stupid fucking egos have nothing to do with running a state. We are all shareholders in this nation. Start acting like it.

>>130097453
>proving Hines's point, right?
He doesn't have a point. He's a retard with no knowledge of warfare.

>The left is preparing for a happening by organizing
No they are preparing to hold signs at astroturfed events where neoliberals deploy them as useful idiots.

>>130098637
who controls and produces food m8 pro tip not left wing urbanites

>>130097453
you're so goddamn clueless. do you think any shit leftist organize will be worth two shits compared to even anything instantly organized? the right can make a fucking hashtag and instantly find 200+ people near them with guns ready to kill a lefty and BOOM. that group is already worth more than whatever kind of anarchist piece of shit the left has.

right leaning groups are just honeypots, cointelpro, and fbi filled. the entire liberal and even cuckservative establishment fears the reactionary right and a fascism movement. that's why you don't organize beforehand instead you use /pol/ and similar shit to spread the ideology and then instantly put it together when it kicks off.

the left is a bunch of retard subhumans filled with shitskins and feminist. they aren't the hardcore communist leftist that fascist had to fight during the 20th century throughout europe. those kind of men understand the left just wants to commit white genocide so naturally they won't support it. just beta nu-male who identify as male feminist support these fucking retards.

>>130098637
see>>130098491

DAILY REMINDER
there is nothing about a civil war that can be stopped from becoming a race war in the US.The left will eat itself alive when the right infiltrates their groups and kills shit skins to the point a white person cant ally with them. Then you are left with a splinters minority white group and shit skins who could never win a civil war against whites.

>>130098262
What about the Israelis? Is their system similar? Well Dressed Fascists uniting Crime, Business, and Politics?

>>130098773
You are delusional, the state is not efficient because they do not have to be.

>>130097129

Look at Prime Minister Abe.

He is a member of Nippon Kaiji. The critics accuse them of being facists. They merely state they are a "traditional" or "historic" club, and it is (((merely a coincidence))) that some of their members are associated with more extreme individuals or groups.

>>130090880
Sorry, but I don't want to risk my skin just to get jumped by a spic because you lolbergs wanted to virtue signal. "Defenders of the constitution" my ass.

I think Eric Trump was right when he said Democrats aren't people.

>>130097538
>In fact it hurts the people who are trying to fix the country.
Like proud boys right?

Your types will be first in the ground. Cuckservatives are far worse enemies than the left could ever possibly hope to be.

>>130095973
>Tfw you have seen plenty a Cletus blowing shit up just because it looks ugly to them
Idk man my experiences with actual Cletus's has proved your point to be very weak here in Kentucky.

DAILY REMINDER:
there is nothing about a civil war that can be stopped from becoming a race war in the US.The left will eat itself alive when the right infiltrates their groups and kills shit skins to the point a white person cant ally with them. Then you are left with a splinters minority white group and shit skins who could never win a civil war against whites.

>>130090880
There is a lot of truth in that but another factor is in the demographics. I would wager that most right-wingers have jobs and work full time. So they can't just drop everything to go and protest on a regular basis, if ever.

The thing is, the Left has lots of people who have a lot of free time because they are unemployed or part-time workers or students. Additionally, the Left has a lot of third-party money supporting them and this money is used to organize and pay professional protesters.

The Right does not have that.

The Left IS better organized and way better funded. We should keep that in mind. That is setting aside the fact the Left has more legitimacy because the media is on their side.

>>130095827
>That takes a huge amount of manpower and logistics, which doesn't currently exist. Hence this discussion.
Maintaining a city requires a huge amount of manpower and logistics. Imagine what attacking power substations, bridges, water lines, and major highway interchanges would do to a city like New York City.

>>130097580
Gated communities are typically left wing dude.

>>130098690
This.

Our disorganization is our strength. The antifa leaders are too incompetent, and too convinced of "revolution" to conduct themselves in a way which is appealing to the public.

>>130086190
someone post the pic where each of their names are edited in with descriptions

>>130099232
The media is a huge issue, this is why I keep screaming we need hackers. If we build a hacker squad, we can wage a non violent war first. Then if needed, more happens.

>>130097916
Most truckers are right wing. Therefore cities will starve

>>130099232
wrong
I like how everyone in this thread is pretending to ignore there wont be a right versus left civil war as any mass unrest were survival is at stake will result in a race war and shit skins can not win a race war against whites period.

you are all larping as fuck over a scenario that wont take place ANY CIVIL war will devolve into a race war

>>130089303
Overwatch larping looks like fun

>>130098801

Or, you know, sucker-punching righties in the street, harass righties in their homes, firebomb right-wing offices, etc. The left could mobilize so many people so efficiently for the inauguration day riots thanks to good organization and planning. Ditto with the Milo riots at Berkley. You really have no idea what is going on.

>>130098813

And you think the food will just magically find its way to the right people? No, you need to have a plan to make sure that the food can reach the people who need it safely and at a reasonably fast speed. It's about having a plan. You can't just wing it and hope for the best, you'll get your shit pushed in.

>>130098846

Everything you're talking about is based on conjecture and speculation. Hitler didn't just magically rise to power with an army overnight, he put a lot of effort into organizing the party and recruiting members and properly training and developing the SA under an experienced military man (Rohm) so that he could have an effective paramilitary organization.

>>130099101

Where is your army? How many men do you have? What is your plan? Have you drilled?

>>130099495

People are ignoring you for a reason. Back your shit up or stop posting.

>>130099495
At this point, what is the difference!!!! The left are full of Anti White Whites and minorities that hate us!

>>130086190
Their blatant hatred of white men is doing more to unify whites than anything white guys could do themselves. Let's hope they keep pushing harder.

>>130098968

No fucking shit. Wonder why.

Almost like the current system of leadership isn't responsible to it's shareholders.

The answer is probably democratically electing a CEO that makes every day casual Friday.

That's should solve the problem.

>>130099488

...until the left organizes raids on trucker convoys, or starts sending out well-organized lefty militias on supply raids. Hell, they could even airlift in food from other lefty enclaves.

>>130098637
>Read the prequel article to all of this
Also completely retarded. The two situations are not comparable at all.

>>130098925

Israel is a bit different because of their situation and because they have elements of their military and intelligence services that are openly hard right. In the U.S. that would require Soviet style long term infiltration. Hence needing the Japanese system. You need one hand washing the other. You need your Right Wing criminal groups to assist Right Wing police elements and vice versa. You need Right Wing finance to assist Right Wing academia and so forth and it takes a multi-decade approach. Something that everyone is aware the Chinese are doing now across the globe.

This necessitates putting aside individual differences in ideology. A perfect example of why the U.S. struggles with this is groups like The Oathkeepers attacking Right Wing protesters at rallies.

In the Jap system they would either allow more distasteful displays by more radical elements, or a quiet word would be put in behind the scenes asking them to stand down etc.

This would usually be the role of people further up the organization chain, people liasing with the media.

>>130099650
>>130099667


There is no debating it would become a race war m8

if not by natural order it will be when right wings literally infiltrate their multi ethnic groups and kill shit skins to the point the level of suspicion is insurmountable and no shit skin will ally with a white.

your literally thinking there will be drawn lines and uniforms that one side will respect the other lol

right wing groups will take to ethnic requirements and that will keep their infiltrators to a minimum while the left will let any race in and be slaughtered.

>>130099938

>if not by natural order it will be when right wings literally infiltrate their multi ethnic groups and kill shit skins to the point the level of suspicion is insurmountable and no shit skin will ally with a white.

And you're confident that this will happen? You have plans to do this? You're aware of what lefty groups you want to infiltrate, and how you'll go about sowing discord?

>>130086190
See: the South. When was the last riot in the south? Western Europe, the northeast, and the West coast should take notes. Our niggers are behaved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VqG_4ADFfQ

/thread

all the points in this video apply to the regular white liberal as well

>>130090880
You must not live in the south, friend.

>>130098637
>>130099650
>inaugaraion day and milo riots
>Logistics is a part of planning and tactics. Again, planning, planning, planning.
You seem to be falling into the usual trap that the right falls into. One of Alinsky's rules even. Always show more power than you actually have. The past few months of street warfare have shown a huge crack in leftist planning abilities. Arrogance and the fault of identity politics. This isn't the 70's anymore, it's a whole different ballgame and the left has failed to adapt to it in certain regards. J20 should have served as a warning to the left. They don't get to fuck around like they used to. The FBI and powers to be will fuck them into submission.

In terms of political violence, the right has caught up to the left immensely in terms of organizing. I would have never have thought the right could beat the left at Berkeley of all places, even with recent rallies they are having a good show. Now they are scrambling to organize militias in response as a measure of escalation. Bad move, say what you want about the oath keepers but if you go onto their sight they have started to infiltrate the left. The left isn't some political violent titan, they show that they are. You want an SA, look at all the GWOT vets that are sick and tired of the left's bullshit, the'll organize faster than anybody on the right or left could dream of.

Identity politics has made it less of a class war and more of a race war. Racial tension now is worse than it was in the 60s when niggers were being hit with firehoses. That is the part of the final part of the 451 article you seem to be missing.

>You do not want white people to riot. You. Do not. Want. White people. To riot.

Once that ball gets rolling, there is no stopping it.

>>130098773
>Except for the entire fucking seventies and eighties.
Again, isn't relevant today.

>Democracy itself is the problem
This is about warfare, dumbshit, not ideological autism.

>States should be run like every other highly profitable corporation
You're retarded.

>>130086190
>leftists are way too good
let them bark
>how do we fix this?
do not be a degenerate, you will be their nemezis
>build organizations to help right wingers
I don't you build your life instead?

>>130099938
I never said that, what I am saying it will be a defacto race war because the left, as a whole hates white people, even the whites. As my other post said, it will be asymmetric, no lines. Just strategic goals to achieve victory. Hide in shadow, come from shadow, take an objective, neutralize objective, retreat into shadows.

>>130086190
>leftists are way too good at organizing for the right wing to beat them

They couldn't even field a candidate to beat the most autistic Republican candidate in the history of this country. Sure on college campuses some fags can get together and form a black hoodie club, but when it comes to being prepared for violence the right has ever advantage.

None of this will matter after the coming Islamization of the west. The left - right paradigm will become meaningless.

>>130099232
>>130099495
It will probably not devolve in a race (unfortunately), but there is a much better chance of a rightwing element winning.

See, the issue is that the left is completely made up of "free thinkers" that blow with the wind.
They're all gods, they're all their own leaders.

We on the right starve for a strong leader. We want someone to lead, to rally under, and to fight for.
We're not in it for "personal enlightenment".

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>>130086190

>>130100202
Yea the same way any leftist will there is no secret leftist communication channel and if there is they will be a minority unless they open those channels to their general public. You quoted antifa who literally recruit on social media lol. Even a individual like me could show up and fit in if I wanted and when shit got hot and when ever I got a opportunity start killing shit skins until it becomes un ignorable .

there is no way to screen for politics m8 hence it will be unfeasible to fight that way without literal sides that respect each other uniforms lol

whites have been contemplating killing shit skins in masses when the police are fighting civil unrest since before you were born.

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>>130086190
>http://jacobitemag.com/2017/06/14/political-violence-is-a-game-the-right-cant-win/

Where the fuck is Finbot with the archive? Lazy bastard.

>>130100585
Not bait, I just wanted to see a discussion about it.

>>130100547
That is my point

IT WILL BECOME A RACE WAR
and
SHIT SKINS CANT WIN A RACE WAR

>>130095527
Not to mention skills and resources... I'm just some nerd who works a dead-end jobs and plays video games in his free time.

>>130099650
>You really have no idea what is going on.
Yes, I really do. The author of this article and you do not understand modern warfare.

>Where is your army?
The US military? The most powerful military on earth. The police force. The producers and controllers of resources. The transportation. We have everyone important. The left has nobody.

>>130100421
>They couldn't even field a candidate to beat the most autistic Republican candidate in the history of this country.
This.

While I voted for Trump, I unironically considered him a joke before the campaign.
He's not the best candidate I wanted. He was the next best thing.
What we need, and still do not have, is an ideological leader.

Our nation has gone through a lot of social unrest as it tries to determine ANY kind of successful government without being nationalistic.
They've been fighting against reality.

>>130100757
Well fuck dude, hope you're enjoying the ride.

>>130099920
Makes sense.

Could you elaborate on the Israeli system, out of curiosity? If you have the time of course.

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>>130086190
Francis Marion vs Red Coats. That's how.

>>130099650
the right and left establishment is bought and paid for by the kikes. the kikes don't control japan so it's different. the alphabet agency all will try and fight against a reactionary right movement. unless you've got an agreement like with mossad where they turn the other eye then it's impossible. there's no will to create some kind of revolutionary fascist movement on that kind of level along with the kind of funding that would require. even if you really started to try they'd simply kill you.

>>130099650
>Hitler didn't just magically rise to power with an army overnight
he tried to start a revolution and failed. he came to power cause the economy collapsed and the people were tired of the communist and their shit. there's no reason to suggest what will happen in america will be similar to hitler or even needs to be

economic collapse and the left starts getting violent = reactionary right fascist movement destroys them
establishment actually try and impeach trump/attack him = reactionary right fascist movement that will balkanize and fragment america

there's not going to be a build up. it's going to be a flash point and then instantly the revolution will happen. it'll be like in the middle east where there's some protests and a week later people are having gun battles.

>>130100346
This guy hit the nail on the head

>>130100896
It's interesting to see the different perspectives

>>130086190
You're correct. But the Right fights for America, not some retarded political party. Why do you think they put Trump, who is not a politician, in the White House? I can't wait for CW 2.0, as a man brimming with testosterone, who represses his inner animal day.
I get erect thinking about it.

>>130100346

It's what they are deathly afraid of in Britain right now.

Tommy Robinson said it himself - It's only been 20 years since the Troubles ended and the perceived weakness or ineffectiveness of the government can see the descent into political violence remarkably quickly.

The modern Northern Ireland conflict that lasted 30 years escalated extremely quickly after a period of about one year of violent political rallies/marches. The minute the state was perceived to be unable to to maintain order it explodes into a free for all.

>>130095973
And they're all college professors forming groups.

>>130086190
This has some truth to it but the main reason the right wing isn't winning by violence is because the right doesn't get violent until challenged. A hardcore leftist only needs to hear that you voted Trump to start a fight. A right winger on the other hand can walk past a guy with "antifa" tattooed onto his forehead and keep on walking like nothing happened.

>>130086190
>>130086190
Small groups. Work in silence, do not speak to any normal faggots about what you plan to do. groups of three or less, do what you feel is right to achieve you right goals. And retain complete deniability, most criminal cases are solved by forensics, dont be a fucking idiot and leave evidence.

>>130086190
Are they insane? I'm a liberal and I can't stand the far left anymore. I studied 20th century history in college. These idiots are only going to cause another fascist response to their provocations. I don't want to lose my freedoms and liberties whether it be by the left and its infatuation with hate speech or the religious right and it's fetish for bible morality. I'm worried. If a civil war happens the left will be quashed. Five years ago when I was still in school we did a simulation of what would happen if the tea party openly rebelled against Obama. Sad to say the federal forces lost. And then we did a simulation of a right wing president was in office. The left lost quicker and bloodier. I'm so stressed I can't even post properly. I'm scared of a civil war.

>>130101025
>day in day out

>>130100884
You have a point, Trump is not perfect but has balls, I voted for him because I believe he is the beginning. I only expectation of him is to cause turmoil, he is succeeding, my personal plan is working. This is called strategy, thinking down the road.

>>130086190
This is stupid. The whole thing holding up the left is the stranglehold the judenpresse has on political discourse in this country. End them, and the left collapses.

>>130101255
nothing about it is right because it ignores the fact any civil war will result in a race war and the white leftist will be cannibalized and the shit skins cant win regardless.

>>130086190
>8 faggots with bats

My AR has a 30 round mag, I don't really see the problem here

>>130101159
>The minute the state was perceived to be unable to to maintain order it explodes into a free for all.
Yep, which is why Trump better hop on this shit fast or else American Freikorps will become a thing.

>>130100346

>They don't get to fuck around like they used to. The FBI and powers to be will fuck them into submission.

And we can trust on those powers to back up the right in an SHTF scenario? Certainly, changing the dynamic of the conflict from Right vs. Left to Left vs. The State is a smart move, but all it takes is one presidential or congressional election for that all to change.

>In terms of political violence, the right has caught up to the left immensely in terms of organizing.

This is true, but we need to be doing even better.

>You want an SA, look at all the GWOT vets that are sick and tired of the left's bullshit, the'll organize faster than anybody on the right or left could dream of.

>Once that ball gets rolling, there is no stopping it.

Things don't just happen on their own, anon. Someone needs to make it happen. You can't just expect them to suddenly spring into action when there's a happening. That's my point in all of this. Righties can't just sit around and play armchair general, we need to start drawing up action plans, building networks, and ensuring that when the time comes, we can have boots on the ground.

>>130100680

>there is no secret leftist communication channel

>there is no way to screen for politics

Buddy, I have some bad news for you...

>>130100861

>We have everyone important.

Really? You're telling me that the US Military-Industrial complex is controlled by a bunch of /pol/-acks? That we also run American infrastructure and industry? Do you really think we're that powerful?

>>130101393
I agree, but its hard, we do not control media!

>>130101716
>Really? You're telling me that the US Military-Industrial complex is controlled by a bunch of /pol/-acks? That we also run American infrastructure and industry? Do you really think we're that powerful?
I honestly wouldn't be surprised.

>>130100933

>there's no will to create some kind of revolutionary fascist movement on that kind of level along with the kind of funding that would require

So then there isn't going to be a revolutionary fascist moment.

>there's not going to be a build up. it's going to be a flash point and then instantly the revolution will happen

that has literally never happened ever

>it'll be like in the middle east where there's some protests and a week later people are having gun battles

how the fuck do you complain about "the kikes" and then assume that the Arab Spring revolutions were just a spur-of-the-moment happening? These revolutions were carefully planned out ahead of time, it wasn't until shit hit the fan that they decided to put their plans into action.

>>130101716
what's the news that you will be able to tell im not a leftist when I walk into your group and fire on you when you turn your back?

You have no argument this whole concept has been checkmated as it will become a race m8 period

>>130100680
>You quoted antifa who literally recruit on social media lol
Yeah, even on this we are ahead of them. Our groups discuss in private chat and so one, they publicly discuss their crap on facebook.

The left doesn't have organization. What they have is a ton of rich guys willing to throw money into astroturf campaigns through their controlled media to "signal boost" crap for retard consumption. And the left will show up to these events because modern left wing is entirely affectation. It's about being seen protesting, taking selfies, building street cred with their fellow autists. That's why clanton got caught, because he couldn't refrain from taking selfies and posting on social media. Because for them, it's an image.

>>130100861
>We have everyone important. The left has nobody.
The left has the media. They can control the official narrative. If they convince the military, the police, the producers, the transportation, etc, that any right-wing movement is just a bunch of neo-nazi jackasses, then they won't be on our side. They'll sit it out, or worse, support the lefties. Besides a handful of edgy 4chan loners who hate their parents, nobody likes nazis. Nobody wants to associate with nazis. And all the assholes in this thread screeching about race war are helping the media paint us as nazis.

Good fucking job hamstringing any resistance before it even starts.

>>130101873
The Arab spring was well funded and coordinated by many...

>>130094870
>kent stated and ventilated
kek

>>130086190

Name one thing that far-left "direct action" activism has accomplished in the last century besides getting night stick beatings and felony rioting charges. I'll wait.

They don't change or achieve anything. The far left in the US has been and always will be completely impotent.

>>130101891

Your posts aren't even coherent anymore. Fuck, dude, get your shit together.

>>130101873
There will only be a race war m8

your larping is fucking cringy as fuck

>>130102039

And what has any far-right activism accomplished?

>>130101465
How long can you stay awake? With 8 people they can have two men up for two hours while the other six sleep. In an eight hour rest that means everyone gets six hours. They can operate indefinitely. You by yourself will be helpless with exhaustion while they are still operational.

>>130102108
lol its simple m8

Any civil unrest will result in a race war and the white liberals will be cannibalized period.

>>130101997
You have a point, Chan can be a crucial tool. However it would be vulnerable if things get testy, we would need a code system to operate on the dark web.

here's the deal. it's taken me a couple of decades to build my life. i like it. I don't want to lose any part of it. Unlike these leftist, I just want to be left alone. People mistake this for fear, or weakness. No, it's a choice.

however. when this life i've spent decades building is threatened, or I start losing it, i'll make another choice. Me, and millions like me. And, once that choice gets made, it won't stop. there will be no tapping out. there will be no "winning" or "not winning". It ends when all those fuckers are in box cars, or swinging from ropes. It ends when there are no more of them. I'd prefer that never become the case.

Violence? Motherfucker, you haven't any idea what violence looks like.

>>130101746
>I agree, but its hard, we do not control media!
Hopefully someone with more courage than I have will start discretely taking them out.

>>130102301

If it's so simple, why hasn't it happened yet?

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can we still win regular violence? asking for a friend

>>130101997
>That's why clanton got caught, because he couldn't refrain from taking selfies and posting on social media. Because for them, it's an image.
Did anyone catch the piss tossers? I haven't heard any names.

>>130101716
>You're telling me that the US Military-Industrial complex is controlled by a bunch of /pol/-acks?
You don't even know the difference between the MIC and the military. After this in done with you. And no, the military isn't controlled by /pol/acks. But almost all combat vets are right wing and white, so would be de facto allies during any civil war. Even if we aren't 100% on the same page about everything, circumstances of war have a way of diminishing those differences.

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>>130086190
just because we need to build, infiltrate, and subvert institutions doesn't mean we cant win at violence

>>130102281
I can hold out anywhere with a single entrance and barricade it to alarm me while I pick you faggots off the streets with your no gun having friends.

>>130102395
because mass civil unrest has not happened yet....

are you a child ?

>>130102341
Great point and I know where you come from, its why we need a hacker squad! I am telling you, we can fight without violence... WE NEED A HACKER SQUAD!!!

There are some systemic differences between the left and the right that cause the difference in organization and participation in activities. The left relies heavily on convincing the proletariat that the upper class is abusing them and in making the proletariat feel dependant upon the left-wing leaders and ideals (which is why they attack the family unit and religion and white leaders in order to weaken the sense that those traditional fountains of dependence are reliable). Which is known as gas lighting.

Meanwhile the right is rooted in reality and are naturally organized by common sense and logic. Like all we had to do was get on pol and the_donald and double check that no one else was buying the left wing media's gas lighting and therefore we held strong in our beliefs and won the election.

If shit hits the fan we will organize very quickly because of our common sense. And is organizing a militia hard? Its been done pretty consistently throughout history. Point and shoot, leapfrog, defilade, and btw antifa doesn't have guns and if they get them they dunno how to shoot.

>>130102606
You have to sleep. You have to eat. You have to piss. You have to shit. You need people to cover you while you do these things. This is basic stuff. Two is one and one is none. You are nothing by yourself.

>>130090880
I can't stand anons that make fun of right wing groups or right wingers at rallies/protests calling them "cringey" or whatever the fuck. Like at least those people are trying to do something out in the real world, however small in the grand scheme of things it may seem. It's better than just shitposting and whining about the same things day after day. Everytime there's a mudslime attack, another boat load of migrants arrives in Europe, or """refugee""" (or illegal) criminals get off with a slap on the wrist, there's anons saying "hurrdurr do something you cucks" but when some do try to organize, they are berated for it, or called controlled oppoistion, or called Reddit, or called not extreme enough, or whatever. I guess many here don't actually give a shit about stopping white genocide and are just larping. That's fine, they can be nigger loving faggots if they want, but they'll be going on the Day of the Rope too.

>>130101716
>The State is a smart move, but all it takes is one presidential or congressional election for that all to change.
With the huge shift of power on the local, state, and national levels from 2008, I say the right has a fair chance at making a lasting effect.

>This is true, but we need to be doing even better.
Every engagement is a learning opportunity. Remember that.

>Things don't just happen on their own, anon. Someone needs to make it happen.
Yesterday's shooting did two things. Wake up a fuck ton of people that the left is about to get serious and birddog lefties into doing more stupid shit like that which has a snowballing effect. We laugh at the helicopter ride memes but they are becoming more and more popular. That has an effect on the average dude.

>You can't just expect them to suddenly spring into action when there's a happening.
Given America's military history and the deep attachment of the right to that. You'd be surprised. You discussed military history on a basic level earlier. Daniel Morgan and Francis Marion would be to prime examples of rapidly acquired and effective forces. It was a staple of American military thought.

>we need to start drawing up action plans, building networks, and ensuring that when the time comes, we can have boots on the ground.
Remember 451, keep that shit on the DL. It is already happening on a basic community based level, friendo. That's where the left really fails. They can't keep their mouth shut.

>>130102599
Do we have enough time to subvert institutions though? Especially in America with our demographic decline

>>130102799
who is to say I wont be on the offensive and then retreat to said areas when I am done literally walking you fucks down with a gun....?

you have not really thought this out have you?

>>130102395
This is the most retarded thing I have ever read. You should be ashamed of yourself for even typing something that retarded.

>>130102341
Underrated post
>>130102662
Shut the fuck up you aspie motherfucker.

>>130102945
schlomo did it with much worse odds

DAILY REMINDER

This whole thread is simply btfo when you realize any mass civil violence will result in a race war

We do organize though. We call it, "The police force."

>>130101873
>So then there isn't going to be a revolutionary fascist moment.
you don't seem to understand what the fuck the reactionary part of fascism moves. it means the left pushes too hard and then the right clobbers their skull into their brains. that's what they fear the most. that and they start the revolution and during it the fascist counter-revolution happens and destroys them.

the only time fascist movements simply decide to overthrow the government is when it's tied to the military doing it. there's no fucking framework for that kind of revolution and there doesn't need to be either. all the pieces will fall into place one way or another.

>These revolutions were carefully planned out ahead of time
no they weren't. it was literally hired guns killing protesters and then the protesters used that as an excuse to kill the cops and the fighting started with both sides pointing fingers. afterwards it was basically twitter hashtags doing the heavy lifting.

if there was riots in any specific area in america then /pol/ would easily have threads about it and be trying to organize people to kill leftest and it spirals from there.


OATH KEKS AND PROUD BOIS AREN'T GOING TO START A FUCKING REVOLUTION OKAY. goddamn. they're cointelpro filled with informers retard. if a civil war started oath keepers leaders would probably try and help antifa against fascist. their fucking leader said racyst don't have rights to free speech. stop trying to fucking promote this retard shit idiot. this is a different era and right leaning groups are just honeypots to fuck the real shit over.

>>130103020
Fuck off cunt!

>>130102945
in fact, it may already be underway

https://www.youtube.com/watchv=NHIp9SWJ_F0

>>130102991
Look dude, I've spent years living outside the wire. I know how fucking easy it is to catch people sleeping because I've done it. I've also cleaned up the mess when the Taliban caught ANP sleeping. There's a lot of fucking blood in seven dudes. And I know that guys who get caught sleeping on watch outside the wire get transferred out of their units ASAP, because the rest of the platoon will literally kill them.

You. Can. Not. Fight. Alone.

>>130103347
Against 8 guys with bats and I have a gun yes I cant....

Your faggot larp is btfo

>>130103511
You are to cocky!

>>130103347
cont. not to mention the left wont have the numbers because see>>130103111
it will devolve into a race war and the shit skins don't unify and white leftist will be eaten alive.

>>130102341

>Me, and millions like me.

This is the point I keep trying to drill through everyone's fucking head: there's no guarantee that the masses will just magically rise up and take your side. You need to make a concentrated effort to have a network of people ready to spring into action when shit hits the fan. Do you think that suddenly, come zero hour, there's going to be recruitment stations for you to sign up at?

>But almost all combat vets are right wing and white, so would be de facto allies during any civil war.

Again:

That. Is. Not. A. Guarantee. Look at how the Oath Keepers are fighting to keep Identity Europa out of their events. You can't just rely on blind trust, you need to actually build a network of trusted individuals who you actually can guarantee will have your back.

>>130102991

So then someone gets you while you're retreating. Just hide out in a bunker and wait for you to double back or collapse from exhaustion, then they get you.

>>130102657

It's happened plenty of times before in history, and it's happened before across the globe. At no point in human history has any situation of mass civil unrest lead to the scenario you're describing.

>>130103223

You honestly have zero idea what you're talking about. I highly suggest you do some research into the role of Wahhabi/Salafi organizations in the Arab Spring and the role that Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Qatar all played in it.

>>130103511

Have you ever actually been in a combat scenario?

>>130103511
>Against 8 guys with bats and I have a gun yes I cant....
Rule one of a gunfight, bring a friend with a gun. Listen to the Afghan vet. He knows more than you.

>>130102039
Correct. Even most of the leftist advance in this country was pushed by the government, not the result of left wing street violence. Racial integration was a CIA plan to help appeal to the third world in the cold war by showing America was not racist. Feminism also a cold war tactic to show how "free" the west was and for economic reasons. Hell, Gloria Steinem worked for the CIA. They also did not "win the culture war" because that was also state-sponsored for all the same reasons. The left is extremely overrated. Some on the right like to think they are masterminds with a deep cultural marxist plot when really they have just been useful tools for globalists, same as they are today.

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>>130102341
Strong post, Kek approves, blood for the meme good if they wish for it they will have it

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>>130086190
>Political violence is a game the right can't win

Only because most of us are too polite to play.

>>130086190
This guy has obviously never seen what happens in a gun friendly state when the state legislature wants to pass new gun control laws. The NRA does not pay more than a couple of people to show up. It notifies NRA members and says "Get'em!" And we do. We're a grass roots machine. Last session saw some BS hit the legislature in my state, and a Bloomberg affiliated association, Mom's Demand Action For Gun Sense In America brought people in from out of state to pack the room. More of us showed up, and most of us were armed. We got the bill killed.

>>130103594
no I am literally being realistic.

>>130086190
Oh no those faggots might actually slap me too hard

>>130102821
The reason is that they have no solid ideology.
They have jumped onto something because it was a popular anti-culture.
If it was a real movement, all of them would look respectable and articulate about the situation.

Instead of dressing like normal people & calmly articulating how they want no part of the violent left, they looked like they literally walked out of the basement.
Their mascot was a cartoon frog they didn't even understand.
They picked it up because other people picked it up.

I guarantee you, not one of them knows that the frog is from a comic where he pisses at a urinal with his pants at his ankles like a child. That was the punchline of that strip.

>>130096745
Does IE go fighting? I think that's a waste.

>>130103626
This!

>>130086190
In the article:

>Righties don't know how to use guns, they just buy "just in case"
>Righties are not organized
>Righties are snowflakes that have no experience with violence

This level of delusion...

>>130092258
Pool parties
Safety squads
"Book clubs"

>>130103673
Sorry, disagree.... Direct combat is intense, it takes a shit ton of courage.

>>130103665

You can always suggest looking into it to Hines himself, he's pretty active on twitter.

>>130096287
The battle is in the cultural space. Everything comes out of that.

>>130103626
>hide out in a bunker

AHAHAHHA now I know your a fucking 16 year old larping faggot I could kill you fucks do a tactical retreat and show up to your queer as fuck meetings for all you know.

At no point in history has political violence lead to race war scenarios? lol read the history of Cuba the Caribbean or Africa.

I live in Baltimore I literally walked around during the riots and could of picked niggers off or entered their group and shot at the police to instigate them

>>130090880
>There's always a pack of assholes just sitting back and making fun of them instead of actually trying to be constructive.

That's like every thread on 4chan though. Trying to organize any kind of IRL action here has always been tough, but people have been especially resistant to it since Chanology and to a lesser extent Gamergate.

Besides from what I've seen, plenty of people show up to free speech rallies. Just because 4chan and /pol/ don't care to do it doesn't mean the entire right is bad at organizing.

>>130086190
The left always thinks they are winning, it's one of their biggest flaws.

>>130100884
He's not Ron Paul, but he was the best major party candidate in my lifetime.

>>130103936
direct combat maybe but shooting people not armed with guns is not

I guess every nigger in Baltimore has courage when they drive down the road and blast on people.

>>130097511
>/k/: civil war

>>130096927
> pseudo-fraternity schtick
That's literally the state-of-the-art alt-right tactic, to grow more of these fraternities. Identity Europa is legally a fraternal organization, that's basically what Pool Parties are, there's that 5th way or whatever it is philosophy that is aimed that way. The fight is going to be long, dig in.

>>130096745
Agreed. That group is alt-light faggotry

>>130102599
I don't think that option is open to us. The left could do it because the cuckservatives were naive and believed in fair play, so they allowed the left to infiltrate. The left doesn't believe in playing fair, so once they establish themselves somewhere they work very hard to police it for wrongthink and purge anyone who doesn't fall in line. It's possible, but you would need to be under very deep cover.

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>>130086190

>>130086190
so on basis on this can we push the commies to openly act with violence?

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>>130103751
>Kekistani is not a solid ideology

It's thinly veiled, ironic white nationalism. It baits the leftists to call it out, and they look both retarded and racist when they do,

It's one of the most powerful symbols of this decade.

Ourgoy of Kekkad is a genius,

The right would be a bit behind the organization curve, but a lot of the organization structural will come in the form of veterans leading militia groups should events kick off. The right, apart from some groups, are hesitant to kick off violence because 1. Many folks are combat experienced and have taken a life and do not want to do so without cause because not only is it a taking of a life, but also takes a toll on the exactor because it traumatic for a normal human being to take the life of someone else (as it damn well should be) and 2. Many on the right are waiting so that the lefties are without excuse and that the right have a clear justification about what they are doing. 3. Because many on the right are individualistic, they focus on individual preparation. 4. Many are holding out hope that some reason will pull through.

I'm not so optimistic, as not only is there political and social strife, we are overdue for a recession and the Red Revolution seized on the abysmal conditions in Russia during WW1 to achieve power. We are overdue for a recession and if you couple the social and political strife with economic downturn, you have an explosive situation.

You should partner with your neighbors that you trust to be skilled and level-headed when shit does hit the fan, but also focus on others skills like first-aid, secure communications, logistics so that you can be a more efficient unit. If Wal-Mart won't roll trucks into certain areas because it is too risky, you can bet your bottom dollar shit is gonna go down.

>>130103943
The right will organize, but for different reasons than the left. He is correct that we tend towards the more rugged individual persona, but we still come together over various causes that we are passionate about. The reason that firearms are one such thing is because they make it harder to take away our individualism, so we willingly band together. If you want the right to organize, you need reasons like that, and the left is going to give those reasons to us.

>>130104127
You do have a point, but never underestimate, this is what I am trying to instill in you.

>>130102768
>The left relies heavily on convincing the proletariat that the upper class is abusing them and in making the proletariat feel dependant upon the left-wing leaders and ideals
Well, except now they convince the lumpenprole nonwhites that white proles are their oppressors.

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>>130098223
You make it sound like we'd be the only ones with guns.

>>130095846
Jokes on them
I already took it
And I made an A

>>130104228
Good point

>>130103626
>Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Qatar all played in it.
no you fucking idiot you are the one who doesn't understand. you're like the fucking retard blogger. what did saudi etc do? they supplied them weapons. there's more fucking guns in america than people. we don't have a shortage of guns or weapons. we don't need another government to supply the fucking weapons cause they're already owned. in those shitty mudslime countries they had maybe a gun like rifle, but that's it. they didn't have the ammo or ability to organize themselves.


muslim brotherhood has connections with the local imams and then the imams spread the message. we have similar stuff so organization isn't a problem. there simply needs to be a REASON to do it. the tea party is a perfect example of how quickly it can materialize

>>130104360
>It's thinly veiled, ironic white nationalism
No it is not.
That's what you want it to be.

When you're "movement" shouts "meemees" at the enemy, you know it's shit.
From their point of view, it's just as justifiably retarded as the pink short-haired androgynous fat tards we make fun of.

Their movement has no basis in reality.

>>130104455
To a level that makes their armament inconsequential...FACT

>>130104373
5. It would be a civil war, and that would crash the economy and a fuckload of people would starve to death or die from disease.

>>130104455
Yeah, but how many of them know how to run a malfunction drill should their have a stovepipe, failure to eject, etc.

>>130090880
The right wing works similarly to an army: were individuals in peacetime, but when its time to fight its time to fight. Any "right winger" who considers himself solely an individual above the collective is no better than a leftist.
Also, fuck the military. Its pretty much just a eugenics program for loud mouthed manlets.

>>130104618
*your

>>130104455
>John Brown Cuck Club
There's a difference between having a rifle and being proficient with a rifle. These retards can barely hit silhouettes at 25m.

>>130104360
Chan has become a version of the free masons. During the inquisitions, people joined the masons so they could think freely. if you really open your mind and think about it... the parallels are amazing.

>>130104373
Much truth

>>130104618
Nah.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/05/08/what-kek-explaining-alt-right-deity-behind-their-meme-magic

SPLC is right for once, but they took the bait.

The very idea of it is a glorification of 20 years of white male internet culture. It does represent a sort of "nationality", in a very real sense, and although it allows for BASED BLACKS and BASED JEWS, what it represents is essentially the most innocent and socially acceptable symbol for literal white supremacy I've seen in my life.

Whites are superior at making memes.

>>130098262
This is happening in the US. Obviously we have no Yakuza yet that I know of, but there is communication between groups.

>>130104742
THIS

I am what you call a gun nut and I have never met a leftist cuck in any shooting range, qualifier course, shot show or NRA meeting

>>130104455
Well if they give any weapons to dem poc
There just gonna get robbed by them

>>130104010

>I could kill you fucks do a tactical retreat and show up to your queer as fuck meetings for all you know

And how do you get in the bunker? Let's say I don't know you, and I have orders to not let in any strangers.

>lol read the history of Cuba the Caribbean or Africa

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't those end really badly for white people?


>I live in Baltimore I literally walked around during the riots and could of picked niggers off or entered their group and shot at the police to instigate them

Then why didn't you do it?

>>130104188

I'm referring to their aesthetics and whatnot. I'm not interested in a bunch of polo-clad doofuses with too much product in their hair.

>>130104580

Saudis literally gave them the ideology. Wahhabi Islam, the same strand of Sunni thought that drives all of these rebels, is an ideology that has its roots in Saudi Arabia. The Saudis fund plenty of Wahabbi preachers and recruiters, and help organize Wahabbi communities in "secular" Islamic nations. They sowed the seeds of revolution. The Muslim Brotherhood is one of their organizations.

>>130104889
>SPLC
That's not an accurate measure of your movement.
Again, >>130103751

>>130104889
well put.

>>130104188
Yeah, look at TRS and daily stormer and they are building groups all across the country. Decentralized and leaderless, but the infrastructure is being built.

>>130104704
Man can live on flower alone

>>130104972
Name one thing the (((SPLC))) wrote that is wrong.

They're completely right, and it's fucking hilarious because they're getting angry at a meme. Not to mention very racist of them.

>>130104965
>Forgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't those end really badly for white people?


Yeah, but mostly due to disease, Malaria is a bitch.

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>>130104889
Additionally, you use the term "meme" unironically.
You don't have a grasp of the culture you "appropriated"

>>130104996
Richard Spencer's safety squads have military training

>>130105111
Reactions like that prove the meme is effective because it demonstrates that "ethnic kekistani" is an actual marginalized group by any SJW logic.

>>130104931
It seems like the ones who actually do own guns are really averse to that kind of culture because they know they aren't welcome and it will simply show them the disparity in their abilities and ours.

>>130096950
This. The left may have some organization, but law enforcement and the military are fundamentally committed to the status quo. Street level violence by retarded University students is about a dozen orders of magnitude below the violence even the most mediocre National Guard infantry unit can generate.

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remember when antifa thought the cops would side with them?