Why is the Traditionalist Workers Party so underated?

>>130053127
The leader needs to get /fit/

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>>130053127
Because it's white nationalist 1.0.
Look at the guy on the right. Not really hating on them it's just not appealing to youth and that's what the altright needs. Still we should work with them for our common cause.

all white nationalist group leaders should provide a DNA test + family tree from ancestry.com or something.

also.. all white nationalist groups should b e transparent with their funding.

i know neither his ethnicity nor who funds him.

>>130053127
Der Untermensch

Fat fucks get gassed too if they refuse to alter their condition

>>130055951
His fat teddy bear look makes him disarming and, non threatening.

this looks autisic as fuck

>>130056753

Ideas on the right appeal to men, a symbol of strength is a necessity.

>American nationalists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wEUi4qlOQk
Fucking cringing hard over here

Explain their ideology
I don't think they are fascists are they?

>>130057010
>scottish dawn
so I have to listen to that Rebel yell episode about them, pretty based

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>>130053127
Heimbach is a good public speaker and makes good points but he's not that great of a public figure. If he would get more /fit/ and weed out the LARPers and skinheads from his group he would have a great organization.

>>130057670
Too late. He's merging with the NSM.

They're a FBI honeypot filled with weirdos and hobbyists. Their leader literally married an Arab with a half black child that he raised as his own.

>>130053127
They look ultra cringy, so I am assuming they are a honey-pot / controlled opposition ?

>>130057670
also TRS likes him, I thought TRS were kikes....

how would you even start a legit NATSOC group irl? how would you even convince other natsocs you arent a honeypot?

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>>130053127
Because they're fucking retarded

>>130058455
yeah only based black guys in maga hats arent controlled opposition, amirite?

>>130053127
It's dogshit. Someone needs to throw heimbach on a treadmill and constantly remind him he isn't in 1930s romania.

>>130058573
paranoia is rampant among right wingers. Conservative mindset is based on fear/caution, pretty bad characteristic, because then it's easy to divide people.

>>130058802
jews constantly infiltrate, subvert and co-opt their movements. the paranoia isn't entirely unjustified

>>130053127
They have an aesthetics problem that's seemingly inherent to all NS group. They need to look like the common man to appeal to the common man. Get rid of the black garb, the facial tattoos, and all the obvious bullshit or you are just larping. You are not trying to reach anybody but scary people with that shit no matter how solid your platform is.

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>>130059542
I think about what an american facist movement would look like, and I wish I had enough artistic talent to produce a fusion of nsdap imagery with symbols of the american revolution. Like pic related, but with a bald eagle and the 13 star symbol from the colonies, en lieu of the swastika. Obviously, white shirt uniforms would be much better too.

>>130060493
Why wear a tie if you're going to tuck it? I've tucked in my tie when eating before. But walking around with it tucked looks strange to me. Is it a european thing?

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>>130060966
forgot pic

>>130056723
He is fucking smart though. Annihilates anyone in a debate. Anyone with a sharp mind like that gets a pass provided they're not morbidly obese.

>>130060966
I think it looks good and antifa can't grab it(bigger issue imo).

>>130053127

>Traditional Worker's Party
>Heimbach never did any real work

Explain this meme name to me, who exactly are the "traditional workers" he is referring to and why does he represent them?

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>>130061235
I didn't think about people grabbing it. That's a good reason.

>>130053127
>leader is a fat schismatic OrthoLARPer

all you need to know really

>>130060966
If things get ruff out there, the tie won't get in the way.

>>130053127
Nazis in the US really need to get rid of that tattooed faggots and skinheads.

>>130055951
He got a gym membership a bit ago.

>>130061865
Skinheads like pic-related are a dying breed. These """people""" would be amongst the first to get thrown into the gas chambers since they're degenerate, drug abusing, drunken, jobless, low IQ subhumans like antifa who do nothing but hurt the WN cause. If their ancestors and all the great leaders and war heroes in European history were to see these degenerates today, they'd treat them like human trash. If you're white and you dress like these fags, you lose your status as a human, much less a white person.

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>>130062714
forgot pic

>>130053127
No one EVER. Will be swayed by those retards looking like that.

I heard him after the Pikeville rally on Stormfront radio the Monday after the event and I seem to resonate with their message of Faith, Family & Folk.

>>130057487
What episode number?

>>130061526
>American education

>>130063541
Here you lazy cunt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9HTh6DqAgM

>>130053127
Are the supporters of tradition or (((tradition)))?

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>>130053127
Literally run by a fat ugly neckbeard.

>>130053127
It's communism. That shit is so last century.

>>130053127
Because Mattisyu Chaimbach is fat. If he lost weight and put more effort into not looking like a greasy truck driver, people would probably follow more of his stuff.

>>130059542
You aren't going to reach normies anyway. It's a retarded cuckservative strategy that has never worked in all of history.

You want scary people.

>>130059542
>>130065642
For example, the left won because they put people like this on the streets and scared the shit out of normies. This is how civil rights was pushed, by flooding the streets with armed negros yelling "kill whitey" and destroying shit. Then they had the "good cop" MLK as a counterpoint. Did the MLK guys complain how the violent black power groups made them look bad to normies? No. Because the underlying message being sent was "we can do this the easy way or we can do it the hard way." Then the normies are intimidated into going along.

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>>130053127
If you're looking for the least autistic organisation, look into Identity Evropa. Looking professional, cutting all the sperg shit, and actually trying to accomplish radiative realistic goals are what we strive for.

t. Current Member

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>>130066701

>>130058455
Matt Heimbach is really well spoken, he's just not good with optics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7f9EGOlrMs

>>130066739
Another current member reporting in.

>>130066739
Run by someone who cares more about his whores and media attention than actual activism.

t. Former Guardian

>>130062714
>>130062819
>no ridiculously showy tattoos
>functional hairstyle and clothing
Looks fine to me.
Should he wear thick rimmed glasses and skinny jeans like yourself?
Stop being such a tryhard.

>>130066777

>Bomber jackets
>ever going out of style

i better get this picture to guys at /fa/

>>130067327
What would you recommend, then?

BOLSONARO PRESIDENTE

>>130067687
Honestly I don't even know anymore. I've had the fortune of being close to many groups in this haphazard "movement" and all of them are too busy with factionalism to form anything coherent.

I'll give Identity Evropa this: they're probably the best at being present across the board, but that's also their greatest weakness. Their members are spread thin in many areas and I for one was disappointed with the lack of organization in my local chapter and incompetence overall. They tried to spread too fast.

I would suggest sticking to more local groups. See if you can find one in your area that isn't too public and doesn't get involved in shitty drama and infighting like so many do.

I might be able to give you a name to look for if you can tell me approximately where in the US you are.

>>130058895

This. And if you fellas think fears of controlled opposition are unjustly paranoid, look up Terence McKenna's lecture "Evolving Times", when he drops some truth bombs about infiltrating UFO groups on behalf of the FBI.

>>130053127
Because Heimbach is swarthy and fat.

>>130068066
Washington State

>>130055951
He's looking way better than he did.

>>130056417
This kills the American White Nationalist though..

>>130065642

>You aren't going to reach normies anyway

WRONG. In early 90's Russia, when political freedom weren't restricted, and we had actual nationalist parties instead of chink and muslim loving le based Boudine — the "Pamyat" (Remembreance) society was vastly more popular, because it presented itself as a historical society, while LARPing brownshirts from RNE with swastikas were ridiculed and avoided.

>>130053127
They aren't.

>>130053127

This is what's so hard to understand about these fucking LARP'ers. Why the fuck are they dressing up like a bunch of skinheads instead of trying to look appealing to the average white normie? Do they honestly think walking around with shields, boots, bald with tattoos all over their body is going to attract reputable and respectable people to their cause? I mean, come on. It's time to grow up and think about this logically. They are selling themselves as a neo-nazi political group. It doesn't matter if that's what they actually are, it matters because they should be trying to recruit more members into it. They aren't going to recruit more normies because that shit's been ostracized too badly within westernized society for it to ever become mainstream.

They need to repackage that shit so it appeals to normies (get rid of the leather, balled heads, excessive tats, Nazi like symbols, etc.) and preach a subtle yet "white leaning" political message. There are non-autistic ways to go about it that still convey the same message, just less conspicuously and more "normie reachable".

>>130068230
There's a pretty active group there that does a lot of behind-the-scenes work. I know they put on some exclusive forum or something like that every once in a while.

Here's their website: http://truecascadia.com/

For lulz here's an antifa attempt to defame them too: http://archive.is/875wo

>>130062819
Arrgg I beez a white nationalist pirate matey

>>130053127
looks like a lot of winners

They need to get away from the NSM and the overt neo-Nazi groups. Those things reek of FBI honeypots.

>>130053127
Hey its matt heimbach hes really a POS i once watched him spit in his girlfriends face during dinner for no reason at all

>>130069318
This guy also punched a black chick during a trump rally last year

>>130053127
Look like decent guys to me. I'm going to read the thread now.
The cog symbol is fascist (is it?), but I'd guess it's not harped upon by the deformation cunts because cogs of war wouldn't have been called that if cogs were a supposed hate symbol.

>>130069448
They are not decent they are all idiots just following matt who actually is quite intelligent but still no common sense

>>130068615
>In early 90's Russia
I said normies, not slavs

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>>130069318
You got a vidya???

Matt is swarthy as hell though.. Nigger blood runs through his veins

>>130069419
And now he is suing Donald trump

>>130061028
It's good opsec. Most use clipon ties as well

>>130068759
This. Tattoos on the face are going to get you nowhere politically. People on here say that they don't care about normies, but normies are going to be the only way to progress politically. Attracting normies should be the priority of white identity groups, not attracting already redpilled autists.

>>130069729

It's why I can't take American Nationalist serious.

How can anyone take any advocate for white nationalism serious when the leader isn't even white?

Do people in the US even think of Heimbach as a white? I see a mixed race individual for example.

>>130068759
>blah blah recruit more normies blah blah larpers doing everything wrong blah blah someone else should do all the work blah blah I am a massive vag
This thread is everything that is wrong with pol you screechy little bitches.

>>130069729
Nah unfortunately i dont but it really did happen i used to be in a club with this dipshit, I also watched the same chick jump out of a moving car to get away from him while i was at towson university one night visiting with friends on our way to PA

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>>130067327
Meh, I see it differently. I will agree though, most of the action is contained to the coasts, leaving much to be desired for anyone in between.

>>130062714
I'm friends with a skinhead and you are partly right (although he has stopped doing most all drugs but smoking)
Purity spiraling won't help anything especially since skinheads are more ideologically compatible with your outlook than most. Fun fact: He knows a self described neo-nazi who is dating a nigger.

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BASED BLACK MAN!

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Identity Evropa seems alright

What would be ideal is an organization like IE that embraces NS and fascism openly

>>130056723
Most of your 'more pure' groups are also degenerate as fuck. Stupid, dump, Nazi scum. :^)

But seriously, I want there to be a serious and intelligent group, but the more I look, the more I find people constrained by dogma, gobbling down redpills so quickly they cannot assimilate them. It's sad, but the 'nazi', 'natsoc', and 'WN' movements are their own worst enemy.

>>130056187
>that's what the altright needs
The alt right is a fucking cringefest at this point. It's literally manchildren on YouTube pretending to be intellectuals and "Le white sharia XD". Holy fuck it's embarrassing.

>>130070262
The UK had National Action. They were based as fuck. I would check in with what their former members are up to

>>130066701
This.
We need well-spoken, well-dressed Identity Evropa types on one side and scary skinhead types on the other. We just have to make sure the skinheads aren't just mindless drug-addicted thugs and actually have a ideological goal in mind.

>>130070238
That will never work.

Part of the reason so many groups have a hard time mainstreaming in America is that they want to LARP as Germans from the 1940's instead of creating something uniquely American that will appeal culturally to Americans.

Another thing I'll give Identity Evropa: their propaganda and message is generally on point though I thought (and still do think) that I can photoshop posters better than whoever does it.

>>130068559
(((white))) hehehee

>>130070238
>What would be ideal is an organization like IE that embraces NS and fascism openly
That would be a bad strategic move. IE is an attractive organization to normies because it doesn't openly support NS. It's simply a pro-white group. If more groups were just pro-white and not Nazi LARPers, most white people would be okay with white nationalism.

>>130070521
Inside the Skin gangs there are some groups that hate drugs will beat the fuck out of drug users destroy club members lives if they are found out to be on drugs

>>130053127
their leader is a neckbeard

>>130070238
IE actually does generally support it, although we're unable to do it publicly, as we're purposely avoiding the "Ebil Nazis!!!11 D:<" image to ensure we can actually get our message across.

>>130070238
Niche local groups. Most fascist groups (at least in burgerland) are very factional and either co-opted by feds or very inefficient and disorganized.
Honestly any organization that embraces NS and fascism openly will not have many members. It is better to have fascist ideology without explicitly saying you are fascists if you want to appeal to others.
You live in America right?

>>130070604
oy vey national socialism will nevah werk goyim!

>>130053127
Why do they have a menorah on their shields?

>>130070808
>avoiding a stereotype instead of destroying it and educating the people on natsoc ideology

good goy..
gooooooood

>>130070815
Yeah don't listen to me, the guy who has actually been in physical contact with many of the groups being talked about right now for the last two years.

Retard.

>>130070924
yes NATSOC is not inclusive enough goys!
whites must learn to be multicultural!

>>130070924
You bullshitting

>>130058802
just because you think everybody's after you, doesn't mean they aren't.

>>130053127
Because they're ugly peasants. They are needed when everything goes to shit, but atm presentable people with a semblance of nobility are needed.

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>>130069999
Yeah I do not see him as white
Look at his hair..Black hair, black eyes

Jared Taylor on the other hand has done so much work and is pure as can be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol6GA4dMZw4

>>130070924
I'm curious, do you think any of the groups actually have done noticeable change or are they mostly niche groups full of LARPing.

>>130053127
Because they're degenerates which shame the ideology of national socialism.

>>130070463
>based

This is the shit I'm talking about. They know about Evola, and they know about some other, more esoteric literature, but that's it. And it's to the exclusion of everything else. It's quite worrying. Not to say that's worse than the stupid fucks in neo-nazi gangs with tattoos and who only read Mein Kampf once, but it's not good enough. I know I might come across as dismissive, but the men in the past didn't only have industry support, but they had autistic knowledge of their nation. I don't think these people do. The example is not high enough.

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>>130071090
This. His eyes aren't even brown, they're straight up black. He's got to have Jewish in him somewhere. Just look at pic related. Looks like a rabbi.

>>130070604
>>130070809
I don't think people are that stupid. No matter what, the left and even conservatives will call you racist nazis anyway. If you just openly admit what you really are, it would take away that completely from them.

But yes I am American.

>>130070238
Maybe Vanguard America?

>>130061865
Oh I know, they need more faggots with 'fashy' hairdos, italian loafers,and matching buttplugs right?

>>130071090
>>130071239
I think he is obviously white, but the biggest problem is that he is a fat slob

>>130071000
I'm not even saying you need to make a broad appeal to niggers and other races. All I'm saying is a system of government based on the revival of Prussianism and the authoritarian systems which the Germans knew in their lives (most Nazis actually lived under a Kaiser) will never work in the US. At laest not in it's current system.

NatSoc could possibly work 100 years from now in a balkanaized US but at that point we're just LARPing.

>>130071169
It's an even divide. At this point our main focus needs to be getting our guys into the system so we can have the type of systematic protection that the left enjoys today. Only then will we be able to have movements that can actually accomplish anything. Some current groups are doing a good job of raising consciousness though, which I think is the best we can do until we get said people into powerful positions.

>>130071388
Where do you live regionally?
America is massive compared to Europe which is part of the reason why there are so many different fascist groups. You'd be best joining whatever local chapter (if viable) and if not making your own.
>will call you racist nazis anyway
You have a point there. If you are accused of being a nazi and reply that you in fact are you just took all power of their insult way.

>>130070923
Are you autistic? Really, do you think anyone is going to listen to people vouching for it? White Nationalism itself is an almost unachievable thing to get people to convert to.

Start with the basics and then work your way from there.

>>130056417
This. Their leader looks like a Jew.
>>130068559
kill yourself, but do your family first

>>130069032
Forget your pirate flag matey?

>>130071682
I am from Upstate New York

>>130070456

cia honeypotting is a bitch

>>130070040

> This thread is everything that is wrong with pol you screechy little bitches.

This is what's wrong with people like YOU. You will never get enough support to even elect a state official, yet alone a fucking President. You'll keep wondering why, while not realizing that you have to dress this shit up so your average white suburban father of two who actually has a career, wife, and friends can vote for your candidate without completely destroying his social/work life. Just kek if you think normies are about to give that shit up to vote for a party that doesn't even take itself seriously enough to dress itself up so that it can reach normies.

Face it Anon, you have to reach normies or else you might as well not even form a movement. In order to reach normies, you need the party to be "normie presentable" (i.e. play politics). To do this you can't be associated with Nazi movements or skinheads and your message has to be somewhat understandable to your average normie. Just look at what happened to Trump with what he said about deporting illegal immigrants. Now he's opened the door for a possible WN movement down the road, but that shit is going to have to be almost stealth-like if it's going to turn into anything even remotely serious.

>>130053127

They're smart folks - they really are - but they just don't have appeal. The TWP aren't a very aesthetic group, and they're Southern - nothing against Southerners, but people just assume you're an uneducated, redneck retard. Plus, they're not very attractive, they don't dress well. I know this all seems superficial, but it's very, very important in spreading ideas. Commoners go for superficialities.

This is why I think Richard Spencer is so important. He's a handsome guy. He's stylish. He's very intelligent, too. The Generation Identity people are the same way - like Damigo. He dresses well, he's intelligent, etc.

>>130067434
>functional hairstyle and clothing
If you're not balding, there's no reason to shave your head clean. Also his clothing is degenerate. Hoodie depicting a skull and some nazi LAARP group label, bandana like a nigger and baggy military style pants. Also, anyone wearing these disgusting jump boots should unironically be shot right at the spot. The skinhead look is cancer and (((their))) favorite image they try to push onto and associate with their political opponents.
>Should he wear thick rimmed glasses and skinny jeans like yourself?
I don't dress like a normie faggot but like an average, decent, middle class white man.
Wear normal jeans, chinos, khakis, t shirt, dress shirt, polo or henley. For footwear there's plenty of nice casual shoes, dress shoes and boots.
You don't have to dress to look "good" or "better" than others but at least try to appear decent and respectable, which these skinhead untermenschen aren't.

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Because far right reactionaries are paper tiger of the bourgeoisie to prop up the status quo class relations?

>>130053127
Is he Iranian or something?

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>>130056753
>fat teddy bear look makes him disarming and, non threatening

That's a bad thing. They also need more helmets and body armor. I don't know what state they're in, so I'll give them a pass on not having guns. I rate them 7/10.

>>130071635
In my opinion the left is decades ahead of us in terms of systematic takeover of various organizations. In fact if things are going as they are we will likely endure political violence and the marxists will be able to have viable cells willing to use violence as a means to an end.
What the WNs and fascists will have will amount to little more than lone wolfs or attacks done by very close knit individuals.
The feds have been subverting right wing groups since the 90s after all.
>>130072137
There is the National Socialist Movement if that's your thing. I'm not familiar with that region but I'd recommend looking into it yourself. Maybe the SPLC will point you into directions of local "hate groups" :)

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>>130072493
>R9K Revolutionary Front
Fitting

>>130071635
yes goys NATSOC is useless for another 100 years lets cuck in the meantime

My autistic ranking for these groups

Ideal groups:
Identity Evropa
American Vanguard

Decent, possible controlled opposition/FBI infiltration:
Traditionalist Workers Party
National Policy Institute
Daily Stormer Book Clubs
TRS
League of the South

Horrible, bad optics, obvious controlled op/FBI infiltration:
National Socialist Movement
KKK
Most skinhead groups

>>130072309
Hi Richard, those stretchmarks around your lips are starting to show.

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>>130072493
>muh bourgeoise
I wasn't aware you were telling me to gas the kikes
>inb4 you're not the bourgeoise
Unless your name is Tyrone or Bubba, you sure as hell ain't the proletariat.

>>130072738
Agreed. We really aren't in a good position right now, which is why it's a shame that all the figureheads of our movement and major groups are more concerned with infighting than uniting against the threat that the left poses.

>>130072913
Quit putting words in my mouth faggot. What are you even doing IRL to further the movement?

>>130071239
Was it already mentioned here that he is a duginist? He should be shot, sub-human through and through.

>>130073126
>American Vanguard
8ch says they got co-opted by a fed in a coup d'etat of leadership

>>130073285
Too many LARPers and wannabe fuhrers as well as petty purity spiraling

>>130072309

While I agree with your bit on Spencer, I think he's fucked up the movement because he openly supports white nationalism. Instead of outright saying something like that, why didn't he just promote close borders/other things that will help out white people? He could've still accomplished the same things, just without outright stating "I'm a white nationalist!". That shit's been too ostracized to work nowadays. Think of all the WW2 video games/movies/KKK slander/promotion of multiculturalism/etc. White nationalism could still be promoted, just through policy changes instead of out right declaring it.

That way, normies could openly support such a movement without the fear of being ostracized. Could you imagine if Trump had said "Let's deport all Mexicans!" as opposed to saying "Let's deport all illegal immigrants!"? He still accomplishes the same thing, he just goes about presenting it the "politically correct" way, while stating that he's a politically incorrect candidate.

>>130073777
Don't even get me started.

In case you can't tell I'm pretty blackpilled about things overall right now. And a big part of that is the fucking purity spiraling associated with the movement.

>>130072309
oh hi richard

>>130073612
to 8ch, everything is coopted

>>130070114
Thing is, they're a walking contradiction to the ideology they claim to promote. Not only that but they also delegitimize and make a mockery of it. They will never appeal to the common man with their disgusting, repugnant appearance, aura and image they convey unlike organizations like Identity Evropa and Identitarians in Europe. The profile I described in my previous post applies to the average skinhead. The skinhead meme is kike-created and used as a tool to undermine white nationalist movements.
"The goyim who hate us should all shave their heads, cover their bodies with all kinds of tattoos depicting nazi imagery and put on jumping boots, so they become easily identifiable due to their unconventional, identical, aesthetically repulsive appearance, so society can shun them, so they never ever manage to become an actual threat."
No, we need to be the average, unsuspecting, decent law-abiding citizen and change society from within.

>>130073133
>>130074141

Hi.

>>130073971

In your opinion, is there any kind of hope to even possibly begin to form a "return home" campaign for whites to return to Europe and possibly retake sections lost to non-whites? Or do you think it would just be best to try and carve out a little piece of NA for whites?

I keep going back and forth about this. There are 320 million people in America. Only 56% are white. So give or take a few million, about 160 million non-whites are here. IMO, there's no going back. I think we are too far gone. Europe (or perhaps just the U.K.) isn't though. A lot of those immigrants are still 1st/2nd generation and could be legitimately sent back if enough whites were to push for it/immigrate there.

I don't know Anon, I'm just throwing around some ideas while trying to figure out which ones are even remotely realistic.

>>130073868
Richard Spencer is either controlled opposition or is being used as controlled opposition. He's been almost entirely propped up by the media, who give him non-stop interviews and coverage. He's either a fed or a useful idiot who they know will make us look bad.

>>130053127
the what now?

>>130053127
>anything workers party
sounds like a bunch of commies to me

>>130053127
Yall are crypto commies

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>>130072309
>Spencer is so important. He's a handsome guy. He's stylish

That's all you care about. Being stylish. Spencer says lots of dumb things and acts like a pussy. Because he is a pussy. You are what you do. But for some reason, it is weak Spencer that gets pushed into the leadership role. No matter how many times he gets punked in public. How suspicious.

>Damigo

Now that's a brave man to follow. Forget Spencer. Follow Bitch Puncher and Stickman.

>>130074663
Honestly I don't know. I think Lincoln Rockwell's suggestion of giving blacks gibs to go back to Africa may be one of the better solutions for America. Sure it would hurt us in the short term but the long term benefits would be obvious and since there's far fewer blacks than whites it would be a lot easier logistically. We could even work with black power groups to promote it as a return to the "promised land."

>>130074695

That's what I was thinking, especially when he did that idiotic move during the campaign and directly associated Trump with it. He's the sort of person we need, but I just get a bad feeling about him. It all seems somewhat staged IMO. The thing is, as anti-white rhetoric continues to rise, more whites will want to support someone looking out for their own interests, but they obviously can't do it directly. So any kind of a serious candidate cannot under ANY circumstances outright say that they support white nationalism. They'll need to do that covertly by supporting policies that will help white people (putting certain stipulations on immigration, supporting the movement of abortion clinics in only urban areas, etc.)

You know, just common sense stuff without directly sabotaging the movement with WN rhetoric. Anyone actually serious about this has to be realistic about it.

>>130073612
>8ch
Name a group 8ch doesn't think is controppo

>>130073126
Not a bad list, but I'd bump up LoS and Daily Stormer Book Clubs, although obviously the book clubs aren't even the same time of group

>>130075251

That would be amazing if it could actually happen. My thing is, don't you think the Democratic Party will actively campaign to stop this? I mean, these people religiously vote Democrat (when they do vote). I can't see them standing by while conservatives promote something like this.

Then again, I could be wrong and they could all just be retarded enough to fall for it. Who knows, they aren't the brightest bunch. They'd probably do that for some gibs.

>>130072738
Nah man, NSM is literally fucking shit tier

>>130073285
>What are you even doing IRL to further the movement?
telling people the truth.

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>>130075033
Spencer is squeaky clean compared to Damigo

Nathan spent years in prison for robbing a muzzie at gun point. The average pleb will find that at and completely disregard everything he has to say.

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>>130075033

Look at those fucking faces.
This is why we lost.

This is the face of loss.

>>130072738
Saw an NSM protest in Chicago. Literally just chanting "national socialism" call and response in the streets. Mostly skinhead faggots who first and foremost wanna be edgy and that's it

>>130075883
>telling people the truth in a Mongolian tapestry trading market.

kys

>>130075712
It would be complicated to pull off in the current paradigm. However you could play into the myth of the white devil and ask them which of them WOULDN'T want to get away to a land where they can govern themselves. There are a lot of prominent black figures today who promote back to Africa nationalism, among them Kendrick Lamar.

>>130076219
>telling people the truth all over the world, day and night, using the ease of technology for my agenda
kys

>>130075251
Let's be realistic here, the next civil war will not be a race war but a war of ideologies. When shit hits the fan, there's millions of whites who would sign up to kill you because they want to preserve the "achievements" of western society like "equality", "diversity", "human rights", "rule of law", etc with the added resentment of "racist nazi fascists" who "want to turn back the clock to 1933".

>>130075992
Lol just look at that pic. The archetypical "racist nazi" from the movies ran through normie heads a million times over.
Damigo's image is ruined forever.

>>130076382
Looking at the current state of the movement if would be foolish to assume that proper WNs would even make up 1% of one of the sides in a civil war. But I'll agree that ideology is what it will be based off of, which is why raising the consciousness is so important.

>>130076325
>literally admitting that you spend all day shitposting and don't do anything IRL

o i am laffin

>>130075033
This. Take advantage of right-wing e-celebs like Based Stickman, Baked Alaska and Lauren Southern and slowly push them further to the right. Baked Alaska is now openly reciting the 14 words at protests and the other two are getting more redpilled by the day. Mainstream your ideas and stop getting butthurt that more people are coming to your Mongolian finger painting forum.

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>>130075992
>Spencer is squeaky clean

I don't want a fucking squeaky clean leader. I want someone that isn't afraid to get his hands dirty.

>Nathan spent years in prison for robbing a muzzie at gun point

Good. Now that's what I'm talking about. Marine, pulled a gun on a muslim, convict. Now that's an origin story.

>The average pleb will find that at and completely disregard everything he has to say

The average man will see him punch antifa commies left and right and want to join him. Men want to be winners. People follow strength. Not weakness and cowardice.

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>>130076709
Before you can win a war, anon, you must win the People's minds. You guys fail to understand the importance of this lesson, and this is why your movement goes nowhere, and accomplishes nothing but entertainment. You want to spread National Socialism irl (likely you dont)? Spread memes first.

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>>130075033
>follow stickman

>>130053127
I think they are great. More thoughtful than the poser-"thoughtfulness" of some on the "Alt-Right"
I'm not an inside shill but they are simply of interest.

http://www.tradyouth.org/2017/01/israel-is-a-cautionary-tale-not-a-model/

They do lurk here and are wrapped in the same meme matrix.

>>130076219
>It would be complicated to pull off in the current paradigm. However you could play into the myth of the white devil and ask them which of them WOULDN'T want to get away to a land where they can govern themselves. There are a lot of prominent black figures today who promote back to Africa nationalism, among them Kendrick Lamar.

That's not a bad idea. If there were several black nationalists supporting this idea (as well as some who would sell out for it) in league with some African politicians who might support something like this in return for some America political gibs, then it might be able to turn into an actual movement.

How would we even go about organizing such a thing though? Even more so, how would we go about making it mainstream so politicians would support such a thing against Democratic advisement?

>>130076004
>grand master
>fraternal order
>knights
These fags just can't help themselves but to resemble KKK Hogwarts LAARPers.

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>>130077175
theyre all shabbos goys

>>130075033

Cool omission. I also stated he's very intelligent. I understand not everyone is going to be a brawler - Spencer just isn't one of those guys. Regardless, he still has immense balls. Call him a "pussy" all you want. He comes into conflict with giants mobs all the time - and he is in great harm.

>>130060493
We obviously need red white and blue jerseys for uniforms

>>130076929
If you were right the baltimore riots would've won BLM the country

Most people dislike felons, dipshit.

>>130077175
They are fucking faggots, the lot of them!

>>130076938
>you want to spread National Socialism irl

I don't actually. See >>130071635

But your criticism is valid. In fact, everything you are saying is exactly why I am so blackpilled right now. But I disagree with memes. I've seen too many people get caught up in being ironic and spouting memes in IRL groups and they don't end up accomplishing anything even when the group has more than enough resources to do big things.

Transcend memes the way /pol/ understands them. Turn them into social currents. Do what the left did and invade pop culture with palatable and well crafted narratives. Drop irony and edginess.

>>130076929
You're out of touch..

>>130077156
>
How would we even go about organizing such a thing though? Even more so, how would we go about making it mainstream so politicians would support such a thing against Democratic advisement?

As I said before, our mail goal needs to be infiltration of the school systems, media, and politics in the same way the left did it decades ago. Once we have guys in high places we can use their power (along with a few sell outs) to push the narrative.

>>130077567
>i dont actually

of course you dont. i assumed as much.
ive swallowed the blackpill myself, but have thrown it up. National Socialism literally saved my life. If you sincerely looked into the ideology, which touches on not only politics but religion and life itself, i think it would save yours too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ8bGg4vuM

i agree with transending /pol/ tier memes, but everything in its due course. Trump started as a pepe meme, remember? you must condition the people first.

>>130053127
Their participation in oriental heresy.

>>130077850
>As I said before, our mail goal needs to be infiltration of the school systems, media, and politics in the same way the left did it decades ago. Once we have guys in high places we can use their power (along with a few sell outs) to push the narrative.

While I don't disagree with this tactic being effective, I don't see how that's even remotely possible nowadays. Leftists have been infiltrating all of these for the past thirty years. We just didn't realize it until recently. If we did the same thing, the white demographic within America would probably be down to 30% (or worse) by the time we actually reached a level high enough to make change.

I would suggest social media campaigns to push this sort of propaganda on places like Facebook/Twitter/Tumblr, but we've been infested with liberals and redditors so much now that I doubt we'd be able to get anything done without being actively fought against. I don't know Anon, I'm feeling a little blackpilled.

>>130077930
>If you sincerely looked into the ideology, which touches on not only politics but religion and life itself, i think it would save yours too.

I've spent a lot of time looking into it. A lot of people I hang around are NotSoc and tell me the same thing. It's funny that you mention religion because that's actually one of the things I have a big problem with in NatSoc. They did a lot of things that fucked over some of the Norse revival groups which existed in Germany prior to their particular vision of the faith. I also take issue with what I believe they called "positive Christianity," as much as I agree that Christianity needs a reformation, preferably something similar to Arianism. But that's just me.

They also snubbed out a lot of the more Traditionalist Right groups that existed prior as well. I believe these groups, which Evola is a good example of, were unfairly rejected. But at the same time, I don't blame the Nazis for wanting to eradicate any heresy and have a completely unified state. They did what they had to.

>>130077378
It doesn't matter if you have balls, if you're still getting punched and humiliated then it's all pointless. The average person who has heard of Richard Spencer probably only knows him as "the Nazi who got punched". We need people who can debate and get their points across, but also be able to fight and win if Antifa shows up.

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>>130078582
all fair critiques. i would only challenge you to find a better system, for our time, knowing the Jew can co-opt all systems but Natsoc.

i knew i should work out, but i had no real reason to. you know? i knew i should stop being a degenerate, but had no reason. natsoc showed me the reasons i had failed to notice. all of the religion i experimented with - christianity, nordic/germanic paganism, satanism, gnostism...couldnt do that. only natsoc. so im loyal. be a good person, dont fall for jewish tricks -- thats all anyone can really hope for.

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>>130077378
>I also stated he's very intelligent

And you are wrong. I was never impressed by Spencer's words either. I have no idea what you see in him.

>I understand not everyone is going to be a brawler - Spencer just isn't one of those guys

Self defense is a moral duty. If you cannot even stand up for yourself, then you stand for nothing. You are nothing. You definitely are not a leader of men.

>he still has immense balls
>He comes into conflict with giants mobs all the time

And runs away like a bitch all the time. Losing slap fights to SJW fags. Embarrassing.

>Call him a "pussy" all you want

I will. Pussy.

>>130074508
>change society from within.
That won't happen

I've been thinking for some time to start a civic nationalist group, but one that coincides with the beliefs of race realism and White Nationalism.

See the thing is, I'm not white. However, I've been awakened long ago to the Jewish Question, to race realism, and so forth. I personally believe that Western civilization (and therefore the White race) have been under attack for quite sometime. I believe America should remain majority white, but here's where my beliefs stray;
America's culture has become one of debauchery and decadence. It might have even always been that way, as the countries founders were libertarian, allowing for free enterprise to grip the soul of the American people. I think a cultural revolution should take place, one that upholds western philosophy, community, and so forth, as opposed to attaining wealth and material items, which is sort of the basis of western culture today.

Are white nationalists willing to side with non-white western nationalists in order to allow for the preservation of their people?

>>130078573
Our duty as whites is to look into the face of impossible odds and stand erect against them. It's gonna be a struggle whatever we end up doing, but don't let the struggle blackpill you.

I recognize I may sound a bit hypocritical telling people in this thread not to be blackpilled considering I admitted I was myself. I'm only blackpilled because of personal experiences with people though. The movement as a whole is just starting, and it has a long way to go.

Hopefully we can improve it by the time it stops crawling and moves to walking.

>>130053127
>bunch of commies without jobs
>no support
>"underrated"
they're overrated jew

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>>130079297
>Are white nationalists willing to side with non-white western nationalists in order to allow for the preservation of their people?
i am, but civic nationalism does the opposite.

>>130079402
yea i guess civic nationalism was the wrong word, since they want to uphold government and whatnot. I guess the term I'm looking for is Cultural Nationalism?
Essentially, what good is saving the white race if they turn out to be tattoo ridden truck drivers. We need to propel western culture and values back into the mainstream. So that when the white race becomes a majority again, they won't look to the dwindling minority groups as a nuisance, but a coworker in their kingdom of culture.

>>130079337
Honestly I don't see fascism taking off in America when most everyone is a slave to the massive amount of entertainment there is. Why care about the future of your race when you can just sit back and watch the electric jew and enjoy yourself while undergoing a slow demographic death?
Major change must happen to reawaken the fighting spirit of whites.

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>>130079827
yeah i get you. sounds like you're talking natsoc desu famalam

google: programme of the NSDAP .pdf

take care /pol/

>>130077486
>If you were right the baltimore riots would've won BLM the country

BLM won, dummy. Cops and politicians are afraid of them. Even Trump hasn't locked them all up yet. That's very, very bad.

>Most people dislike felons, dipshit.

It's not just about making people like you, ignoramus. Read The Prince.

"It is better to be feared than loved, if you cannot be both." Niccolo Machiavelli.

>>130079085
Your pic brings up an attitude that I wish more NatSoc groups actually embraced. Many of my NatSoc friends genuinely fume with hatred at other races and I feel they should be putting that energy towards loving their own people instead. It's just a better way to live.

Anyway, I think that despite criticisms NatSoc did a lot of things right. Earlier in the thread though I mentioned something key: NatSoc emerged from A German nation where most people had lived under a Kaiser in their lives. Germany has a long history of monarchy and authoritarianism. America doesn't. I think it's entirely possible to implement a SIMILAR system in America that would capture a lot of the good values in NatSoc, but there would have to be some accommodations made to American culture. For example, I think any kind of fascist regime would be more palpable to Americans if instead of a single ruler there was a council of maybe 5 people elected by an elite group given the privilege of the franchise that would not exceed 5% of the population.

But that's just one example of little changes that could be made to NatSoc as practiced in Germany to make it more viable in America. But that raises the question - is it still NatSoc then?

>>130079337
>Hopefully we can improve it by the time it stops crawling and moves to walking.

Well, I think it's going to take some major social upheaval to usher in that kind of a change. It's no surprise that kike Soros is funding this sort of shit as well as a lot of the immigration currently going into Europe. Well, maybe we can use his campaign of anti-white rhetoric to redpill as many people IRL as possible. I know I've been doing my part for the past year (since being redpilled). I've reached out to some of my buddies who are still in the military, civilian friends I have here, family members, etc. I've found the best way to go about this is to appeal to an issue they care about (healthcare, taxes, vaccinations, etc.), then start linking that shit with some REAL redpills so they can begin forming the narrative themselves.

Example:

My sister is a raging liberal. She is also against vaccinations. California has made my nephew get 23 vaccinations and he's barely 3 years old. I began talking to her about a lot of this since she would bring this shit up a lot, then began pointing out that a lot of people who were pushing this shit in Cali were Jews (for some reason,kek). Eventually she started to put two and two together, now any time she sees pro-vaccination shit being pushed, she checks to see if the people pushing it are Jewish or not (they obviously are).

I've been moving on to (((their))) ownership of social media and Hollywood (how vaccination is being pushed through Hollywood and how Jews are a big part of that). Now she's finally starting to put a lot of that narrative together.

I'll begin to move on to other ideologies later of course. I'm doing the same shit with all the other normies I know and it seems to be working. Then, I can hear them parroting the same shit to people they know (unknowingly spreading redpills).

>>130068881
What about Texas?

>>130080167
>>130080281
I am talking exactly about National Socialism. I've been studying it for a while, and I'm currently reading This Time The World by Commander Rockwell. It's just that currently, the focus is on the White race (which I think should be a major factor, but not the overarching idea), instead of actual culture and values.

>>130077378
All you Richard Spencer shills need to get this though your head: the average person thinks in very simplistic terms. It doesn't matter how well-spoken someone is or how many good points they make, if they're getting punched and humiliated on the regular then nobody will listen to them or take them seriously. If Richard Spencer wants respect, he needs to stop being a pansy and start fighting back.

Heimbach is dumb. Last time I checked he wants an Orthodox Christian NatSoc kingdom in the south but lives in fucking Ohio or some shit. None of those things mesh with southern culture.

>>130080532
Good job anon. I know a lot of people who just try shoving redpills down people's throats who could learn from you.

>>130080894
Sadly I'm not too sure about Texas. I know there were two small groups operating there a while ago but I'm not sure what happened to them. One purged so many people from their ranks over stupid shit that they practically killed their own group.

Not sure how active they are in terms of boots on the ground, but Musonius Rufus of TRS fame made a group based in Dixie that I trust: https://identitydixie.com/

Try contacting them and see if they can point you in the right direction.

P.S. in case you can't tell I'm not actually from the south. Just using the flag as cover since I was criticizing Identity Evropa earlier and they can hold some draconian grudges.

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>>130053127
their swarthy leader must lose the moobs

>>130053127
He and his band are low IQ strasserites.

>>130053127
>face and neck tattoos
>fat
>neckbeards
First to go into my private gas chamber

>>130082239
Did he embrace Strasser? I know Tom Metzger is pretty much a Strasserist/Nazbol but he hasn't been relevant in decades.

>>130053127
workers parties sounds communist, and usually are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRFDnfCPzpU

Here's the thing, jews have ruined unions and literally anything, They even corrupted libertarians into anti-communist anti-worker pro globalist Jew worshipers. There is a reason populism and nationalism are rising against both marxism and jewish libertarianism.

America's only salvation is in its eroded Bill of Rights.

>>130082859
You realized NSDAP is the National Socialist German Workers Party right? It's a really common name for fascist/Natsoc circles.

>>130070238
try TRS. find a local pool party on the forums

test

This thread is infected with Shareblue/ANTIFA shills. I hate how this happens every time.

>>130083320

>>130073126
TRS is the most relatable for the average /pol/ user. The leadership is young and i highly doubt they are compromised.

>>130083550
mhmmm mr. fbi

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>>130083770
damn how did you guess

>>130083770
>>130083550
>>130083868

TRS goys are cool. I'll vouch for them. The local groups are of varying quality but they're all solid.

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>>130068759
You don't get anywhere by 'appealing' to normies. That's not how revolutions are led. Revolutions are led from the front, so you don't need to appeal to other people, other people will find you appealing (if you're successful)