Why has Rome's descendants become so disorganized and apathetic?

Same reason we can't channel into byzantine or ancient Greek roots
When a society morally dies, it fucking dies

>>130016352
Like take Egypt or Syria or Iraq for example
Countries with yuuuge history yet they are shitholes today
Read "the fate of empires" good book that talks about such things
>>130016217

>>130016352

> when society morally dies

What are the signs of moral decay of society?
How do we predict them?
How do we prevent them?
Is there a deliberate force behind them?

> it fucking dies

Can we revive moral decency once there is already decay?
If so, how can we systematically apply such a process?

> inb4 memes, trolls, et al

Pol needs to have a truly intellectual and pragmatic discussion about these matters, create a think tank of sorts, put a plan together, design a morally redeeming virus, and inject the entire world with it.

>>130016701
All of these questions are answered in the book I posted, the man did his research
But anyway after the age of affluence, comes the age of intellectualism, a society then tends to become nihilistic and atheistic, tends to raise arguments that it doesn't solve, take Byzantium for example, it's days were spent over bickering and arguing over what should have been done, revolutions were a monthly thing and nothing was done about anything, a cleomenes or a Ceasar will rise trying to fix things and may succeed or fail and the empire is lost
>is there a force behind them
Human nature, an empire usually rises and starts declining after 250 years, people become obsessed with wealth and don't care anymore
Cont 1/2

>>130016701
If the ceasar fails, the empire will continue to crumble, secessionist movements will rise and everyone will be divided, even if it was saved at that point it would be like late Sparta, using mercenaries and replacing old rules due to desperation
A new, morally strong people always rises up and destroys the old ways, the assyrians did this, the Romans did this, the Arabs did this etc
Basically it WILL collapse, educate your friends and loved ones, because the future will be messy

>>130017615
That's the last part
Let me know if I missed anything

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>>130016217
a great civilization doesnt die, until it has rotten from within. But when it has rotten, its dead. What you outlined is true for the whole west actually, and probably for the rest of the world too. We live in dark ages.
Taking pride in ancestors without embracing them is nothing more than confidence-boosting on no ground, theres no substance behind that(no hope). Its like virtue signaling, a delusional Kind of Thing.

The reason why eastern europe may be doing better in some regards is because their living standard is so poor, that it forces them to wake up a bit. Its a force of nature, its not a willful thing.

But for the majority of the west, we have bread and games and mass media that keep our minds occupied

Until times get really dire, nothing will change in the minds of the masses, and then it may be too late.

Good times make weak men, weak men make bad times, bad times make strong men.

The only fraction of hope is the free will, that is inherent in every one of us. But im not sure if free will ever really changed the course of history. Were mostly sheep and zombies who cant think for themselves, yet take action in accordance to our thinking.

>>130016217
Italy is not a shit hole though! It's a fucking paradise. Much better than any western European country. Just go and see for yourself

>>130017663
Well said, so there's no stopping the tide, then, it seems - well, at least not thus far.

Do you think, with the right educational systems in place which systematically work to prevent, slow, and reverse moral decadence - using the power of the internet and global networks - there is a chance of keeping the current empires around for good?

>>130017242
Also cleomenes, ceasar and Hitler all share the same aspect
They saw their people in ruins and they wanted to fix the situation
Thing is these people failed
A succeeding 'ceasar' we had were the komnenos dynasty, they rejuvenated the empire and started gaining lands till the crusade
Then it was all over
If you have any questions, please ask, I got time on my hands

>>130018101
do you see anyone alive today who could be our saviour?

>>130018053
That's what the writer of the book wanted, in the end of the book he wanted greater emphasis to be put in history so we can know what we did wrong
One bad thing about state education is patriotism, when you keep blabbering on about the victories but not the defeats, these defeats are repeated constantly
We need a centrist, objective view of history else the cycle of human spiritual death will happen again and again

>>130018219
You, me, the other anons. We have to be our own saviors when no one is brave enough.

>>130018219
I'm going for it, wish me luck anons, I'm joining the army with some objectives in mind that due to monitoring I'd rather not discuss...

>>130016217
>spartan, enlightened lifestyle of their supposed ancestors

Rome got so big because they were surrounded by backwards barbarians that they could easily conquer. They weren't some amazing super humans. Once they ran out of lands to conquer and people to enslave they collapsed.

>>130018219
>>130018372
Also this
Be your own hero anon, you are one the minority of the minority of the minority, and possibly the only one who can do this
All it takes for evil to win is for good men to do nothing, as in sit on their asses and wait for a savior

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>Average IQ in North is 100 (Euro. standard) decreasing as you travel South with 88 in Sicily.
ummm no sweetie.

>>130016217
>Average IQ in North is 100

No, it's much higher than that. More like 104.

>>130018300

> Know thyself

Do you think there is ever hope for the writer's final ambitions? I don't see why we can't make an objective view of the past mandatory for the education of the youth, along with self-discipline, goal setting, and personal development for good measure.

Of course, I wouldn't rely on politicians but I'd do it myself and in turn create a viral network to do it locally. I'd incentivize it so everyone would, by nature of participating in society, be exposed to it.

My life has proven that unorthodox approaches can forge the deepest rivers, climb the tallest mountains.

>>130016217

Italy was the best country to live in untill EU.
What happened?
Communists, post communists, and traitors.

>>130018522
At one the same is said about the romans. They were once barbarians but they were just better they had better qualia.

>>130016217
Christianity.

>>130018858
Hahahahahaha, oh man are you fucked, bringing one reason that killed the Romans.

>>130018449
I'm gonna do my national service in Greece soon, God will guide me to you anon
>>130018372
Shit man, I didn't expect this from pol, you guys are alright

>>130018688
Of course, but not in such a state, the people up there don't want good and intelligent men, they want dichotomies, left and right, strong and dumb soldier vs weak but intelligent scholar
Ancient Athens had a great education system but also forced everyone into the army, so everyone was a warrior poet
Nothing will happen with this democracy, I assure you there are interests that will block anything that will endanger this dumbening of humanity

>>130018858
Christianity killed Byzantium and Rome.

>>130018712
No, Romans came from the middle east, from the cradle of civilization. Its just a case of civilization vs barbarians, civilization is gonna win every time. Romans just happened to arrive in a virgin land full of barbarians.

They had a much tougher time fighting against other civilized people, like Carthaginians, who descend from Phoenicians.

>>130018858
I've had my fill of abrahamic religions and im barely in my early 20ths

>T. Zhang Wei

Not true at all. Rome took on Carthage, Greece, Egypt, The united armies of all the Gaulic tribes (who were actually fairly advanced, almost to the point of the Romans at that time), the Syrians, the Samnites, the Seleucid Empire, and many others.

>>130018610

Let us organize, then. E pluribus unum.

>>130019189
I never said anything about them being or not being from the NA/Middle East. I just said that they were also barbarians but evolved as a society to dominate lesser peoples.

>>130019189
>>130018712

I mean if the Carthaginians won the Punic Wars, it would be a totally different story. A few different decisions made by a few powerful men wouldve completely changed history, it has nothing to do with "spartan, enlightened lifestyle".

>>130019598
If the Carths won then we (not you) ( because I don't know if you're white/Latin because you're canadian so...) would not even exist. Fuck I own my existence to the Roman Empire. Rome is Aeterna

>>130016217
You forgot about CasaPound.

>>130019598

Are you saying that it really doesn't matter the type of people that a nation is comprised of (weak and degenerate, or strong and upright), but rather the diligence and strategy of those few elites at the top?

I'm an Italian citizen but born in raised in the US. Should I move to Italy to try and make it better or stay in the US?

>>130020145
Unless you're a caste system like India, having dumb people will result in dumb leaders, so that isn't such a good option

>>130016701
Society decays morally when people think the society will survive on its own, regardless of what they do in an individual level. Once a large section of the population thinks this way, the end is usually within sight for the nation.

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>>130019189
>Its just a case of civilization vs barbarians, civilization is gonna win every time.
You can't be more wrong. Prior to industrial revolution civilization has no military advantages over barbarians. Even worse, civilized population becomes soft and unsuited for military service.

>>130019556
My point is, they arrived in Italy with civilization already established, compared to the other people in Europe who were still barbarians. Of course compared to the Gauls and Germanics they were culturally superior yeah, but compared to Carthaginians and Greeks, not so much.

They only came to dominate so much because of a few decisions of a few powerful people, killing off the Carthaginians, their real rivals. Even then, Rome was on the verge of annihilation when Hannibal came knocking, they only survived by spamming tons of troops at him, as he had crushed the Romans in previous battles.

>>130019189
Nope, Civilization destroys itself
Remember Rome? Babylon? Literally every ancient empire conquered by people with little organization whatsoever?

>>130020442
But Hanibals undoing was not Civilization but his own hubris. He want Rome to bow to him and that was never happening, if he wanted to win he should of Sacked/Occupied Rome.

>>130020442
Like I said before, it was the quality of People that made Rome so great.
Damn civilization when it is comprised of slaved minded husks.

>>130020145
No, what I'm saying is compared to civilized people like Greeks and Carthaginians, Romans were not any more culturally superior. Rome won the Punic Wars because of decisions made by their rulers. After that, conquering Europe was a cakewalk, as there were only barbarians to oppose them.

Had Carthage won the Punic Wars, Carthage would've conquered Europe instead.

>>130019282
I will be working on canada.
I have some sway and influence in some important places.
I can't disclose the steps to my goals or who I am affiliated with but I see some opportunities popping up which I will exploit.
My only real shaky gamble is banking on some average Canadians to be malleable enough to get behind me/my affiliates
Efforts are in the works to revive canada

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Let's keep things on track.

> A nation is its people
> Moral decay is a natural and ever-progressing process
> hard times make hard men, hard men make good times, good times make weak men and weak men make hard times

The question is: how do we break the loop?

I would say we can't; everyone has failed before us. But now... now, the new variable thrown into the mix is the internet and the age of global organization the likes of which has never been seen before.

Is there a global, online, organized shadow corps. committed to systematically reversing moral decay or is it time to create one?

>>130020913
Not True, Carthage was comprised of Mercentile minded people unlike Rome who had an affinity to War ,Conquest , dominance

>>130020679
exactly, the result of the Punic Wars had nothing to do with Romans being culturally superior to Carthaginians or anything like that, but rather the decisions of the commanders

>>130021079
We break it when we educate people with both victories and defeats
Only showing victories results into dumb patriotism while only defeats raises losers with no spirit
Now is the ideal time, all the knowledge of the past is on our fingertips
We have to use it wisely

>>130021022

What are your goals, anon? I'd like to chat more and organize if you'd like to cooperate. Average people are extremely malleable, in my opinion.

>>130021290
Does not society influence man as much as man influences society?

>>130021079
Also yes
The deep state is trying to create a caste system, in which a pure blooded elite will command an entirely new slave species
Search for Richard von Coudenhove Kalergi's views on race and religion

>>130021325

Well said. Let us take the next step, then, and follow up with those who take these matters seriously. What is the best platform to take things off of /pol/ and into the arena of the real world?

>>130020343
Very good insight.

I would also like to add that this also occurs when they forget the golden rule of life on earth: Survival off the fittest, and indulge in pleasures instead of disciple/knowledge/education. In other words they chose pleasure over the pursuit victory/greatness.

One of the sad states of man is that in order to have joy or success he must sacrifice an equal amount pain and misery. When you live in a rich society, the will to do this becomes far less present since you begin to see no point in it all. This begins the self-destructive death-spiral.

Italians and Meds in general have some potential, but they are addicted to pleasure and sensual indulgences rather than pursuits of greatness.

Why work for 50 years so that you can retire in a beautiful remote town and enjoy wine and fish when you are 70, when you can be a fisherman living in a beautiful village and enjoy wine and fish every night?

Nords perish because they become insanely prideful and lazy with their success, Meds perish because they become sensual, decadent, and lazy.

Pain = Strength.

Pleasure = Weakness.

Meds crave power when they become insecure and envious. The Romans were motivated as much by hatred and revenge as by greed.

>>130020442
See:

>>130019257

>>130021513
Best thing for now are gatekeepers like mainstream meteor guy to continue their work, while we develop a way to easily redpill people

I have a book a German anon made some years ago, it has everything, everything that is necessary, give me a minute I'll link the download page

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>>130021022
So you reveal yourself to be a chink then?

That's exactly what I thought.

Disregard everything this insect says, his "associates" are the CCP.

>>130016217
It's all Germany's fault.

>>130021290
I say hanibal lost the war because he is a product of a lesser people which raised him to be a lesser man.
Saying that it doesn't mean that its an absolutist idea, the greatest victory in life I think is rising above the masses and become your own man living by your convictions and Values, principles, morals.

Hanibal representing Carthage was a lesser man because he was influence by Carthage's Stupid rivalry with Rome

>>130021513
https://www.pdf-archive.com/2016/12/18/the-money-lenders-and-their-game-by-anonymous/

Here, it has some typos, but it does the job well, it's like a pol Bible

To this my final point on why civilization dies, it boils down to Slave Morality.
If you think like a slave you become a slave and hate everything that the Master creates or loves.

In this example Civilization.

>>130016217
rome was a mess

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>>130022237

Thank you for the contribution, anon. I will take the time to tackle this text and take appropriate action. In the mean time, do you think the best way to go beyond words and into the arena of action is to assemble a shadow org.?

>>130016217
>Average IQ in North is 100 (Euro. standard) decreasing as you travel South with 88 in Sicily.

These IQ scores were established from PISA to IQ conversions. There is no difference in the IQ between North Italy and Sicily determined from Raven's Progressive Matrices examinations.

>>130022479
Yes, but not always. The Caesars created good times. The Good times created weak men.
Weak Men like Lucius Arelius Commodus who was weak, and in his weakness created atrocius times.

>>130019257
>>130021633

After Rome defeated the Carthaginians (in a very close fight that could've gone either way) they were in such an advantageous position economically that they were able take on anyone. I mean by the time Rome got to Egypt/Syria/Seleucids they had so much land and people its not even a real fight.

The only "real" fight, as in existential crisis of the state, was against the Carthaginians... and Rome almost lost if not for bad decisions by Carthage's leadership.

Is decadence the killer of Civilization?
This is when I take Julius Evola extremely seriously.

>>130022583
Something like 8c, with more privacy could be better, but remember that newcomers are necessary, too
The problem is that the already existing shadow org has full control over the Internet, they could just shut down the page
What we need is to take action outside of the Internet, while communicating via the Internet, we need an organic leader-less revolution, no Spencers, no Milos, because they always add the risk of controlled opposition

>>130022971
Do you think that Civilization cannot survive without a foreign threat to distract its citizenry from their Society's faults.

>>130021957
Hannibal's army was pound for pound more efficient than the Romans. He crushed the Romans in every battle in Italy, he had Rome by the fucking ball sac, until he was recalled back to Carthage. Stupid decisions by the council back home.

Its like saying Europeans are lesser people compared to Muslims because Merkel decides to let in a bunch of migrants.

>>130018653
wow the iq of those places really took a from immigrants

>>130023382
>a hit

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>>130023171
> Failing ton plan is planning to fail.


I think the most organic and leaderless movements still have leaders, just faceless ones.

> based offline, organized globally via online communications

Yes, this is key. Be a ghost and the bullets fly right through you.

>>130022787
problem with rome (as with most empires, including the small serbian "empire") is that they're unable to create sustainable systems, all of it rests on one strong minded individual, after that individual dies everything goes to shit because a million factions start fighting for power. and then after the fighting is over, one individual from the bunch wins and again it all depends on him, he can bring back the empire to its former glory or he can make things worse. if the makes the empire great the cycle continues forever.
if augustus was assassinated instead of dying from natural causes god knows what would happen to rome in its early empire stages. maybe they would revert to a republic. but because he was capable and lived fairly long it didn't happen.

Dude Italy it's the cuckest of the Cuck country since the end of WWII.

We lost the war, we lost our government, our military...

We are complete VASSAL to the US.

And fucking Prodi fucked us economically as well.

To regain some balance we should have to redo everything from the end of WWII onward.

Remember also, we were amongst the 5 biggest country in the 80s, before they pushed us away from socialism!

>>130023517
That's really it
But all people who say
>I'm the leader of the alt right! Listen to my command!
Should be immediately denounced, spreading knowledge should be our first and most important goal

>>130023553
same thing happend in yugoslavia, after tito died everything went to shit because the whole system was based on his strong cult of personality and his form of communism called titoism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titoism

>>130019257
1. Rome defeats Carthage. They only survive because they spam tons more men at Hannibal, and because Carthaginian council recalls Hannibal back home.

2. With Carthage out of the way, Rome easily crushes barbarian Gauls and Spaniards.

3. By the time Rome gets to Greece, they already control Iberia + Gaul + Carthage. You think a few independant city states can stand up to Rome + Iberia + Gaul + Carthage?

4. By the time Rome got to Egypt they already controlled Rome + Iberia + Gaul + Carthage + Greece. Yea, reaaaally tough fight for the Romans.

5. By the time Rome got to the Seleucids they already controlled Rome + Iberia + Gaul + Carthage + Egypt. Wow, another super tough fight for the Romans! How did they ever manage to win that?

etc etc

>>130023329
To be honest senpai I think that of the Germans they deserve to die off as much as my country if it waned as much as they have, for Godsakes they envited our enemy to our domain, they are so feminen and weak, they are an embarrassment to their ancestors.

>>130016701
I appreciate your enthusiasm. There is no "reviving" a dead order. We will never have ancient Greek, ancient Roman, or ancient Egyptian-style morality or spirit ever again. As Greek anon said, once it dies it dies; but this death makes way for a new order. This is the principal that the so-called NWO has gambled upon in trying to establish their "world order" - if they can destroy all existing values by removing religion, perverting philosophy, encouraging primal behavior, etc. , then they can impose a design of their own provided their resources are sufficient.

However, this chaos opens room for other designes as well, and if the globalists are not the first to fill the void they will fail entirely (party just because their goals are so total). The best option for a revival of any moral order is scrap trash projects like America, Democracy, EU, multiculturalism, etc. , by stoking the flames of revolution. Then, being in a position to act first, to fill the void (ein soph) with the design of a powerful nation-state built on desired principals. If done right, it will be like formation of Europe from the corpse of Rome, or like the formation of Babylon from the death of Sumer - but with an unprecedented degree of understanding behind the process.

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>>130023553

Sustainability will be the name of the game moving forward. We need to create systems that propagate themselves and multiply when our hands are no longer in the pot.

>>130023222

This reminds me of what Trump is doing as we speak with Pakistan and Iran. Creating a common enemy is one of the Laws of Power if I remember correctly.

>>130023709

Therefore, a ghost council behind the scenes calling the shots, designing, crafting, and propagating its systems.

I run a digital marketing company and I know the game of behind the scenes influence, and how veritably easy it is to influence the masses to do whatever the hell you want.

>>130023329
The only difference between a German and I is that my will to live is stronger.

>>130024009
lol this is true. Germany died in 1945

Today's Germans might just be inferior to Mudslimes...

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>>130024037

I still have my fair share of history to study, but don't revolutions always, in the end, fail?

Isn't it better to create an identity that runs deeper than the flag which may burn and toil, or the religion which may be corrupted? The goal, I think, would be to recreate something akin to what Christendom was to the West.

>>130024241
Inferiority comes from your state of mind, if you act and think like an inferior person then you are, you get me?

>>130021368
there will come a time to collaborate i can promise that. it will happen. you guys need to take the reigns of your countries back. when you do we will be there
its too early to get into details of thw goals or else the plans could be compromised before we have real momemtum with general population. this could cost me dearly if it doesnt work.
i can tell you we are nearly 2 years into our 16 year endeavor and its in motion. it includes some dismantling some revitalizing some cash flow and some new leverage
since my id came up this way ill use it as a callsign
youll know its me when things get announced and discussed and "Dimo" shows up. keep your eyes open for it

>>130021866
im no chink
im white as the day is long
i cant talk about who im affiliated with but if i could i guarantee youd be pleasantly surprised if you knew
people are starting to listen because theres a chaos the public cant see
canadas best interest is at heart. youll have to trust in that

thats all i will say on the matter for now. you wont hear from me after this until things get bigger. good people are starting to pay attention i promise

Ancient romans or reinassance italians weren't genetically the same as italians today.

>>130023329
If Hannibal had not returned to Carthage, Scipio would have siezed the the captiol and cut off all trade to Carthage, which they needed to survive. Rome, meanwhile, even if conquered by Hannibal, would have been reclaimed by insurgents as soon as Hannibal's army weakened from hunger and fatigue (the Romans were prepared to burn their grain stores), while Carthaginians got most of their food from trade which could have been siezed by Scipio. Hannibal had to return.

>>130021325
Hannibals army needed plunder to keep going, either from wimping major battles or taking cities.

After Canne, Rome did
Not give him pitched battles, just harassed him on the fringes.

Sitting around in a field getting bit by mosquitoes for months, his army melted away.

Fabian strategy

>>130024662

When the time comes you'll be well received, Dimo.

What's the best way to fall into the appropriate circles in order to partake on similar projects? If there's already significant progress underway I don't see the need to reinvent the wheel.

Is this country by country or world-wide?

>>130025056
Wrong post?

>>130016217

Comparing the old roman empire to nowadays Italy is a very long shot, Italy was a better place in the 80s and 90s in regards of life expectations, still way too much indulgent but people had hope to get better in life and sustain a wealthy lifestyle.

The sad truth is that one or two generations are enough for that memory to get lost, the genius of the ancient empires was to leave proofs of their achievements in stone, so they left it for the posterity to know and be inspired.

Also Rome itself it's I believe the most apathetic city in the entire Italy, just imagine being surrounded every day from such reminders of past glory and fall, just imagine from that ages every type of politics and social customs being tried, you would just try your best to enjoy what you've got instead of trying something new.

>>130024545
Revolution is what turned Rome from a kingdom into a republic, which went on to conquer the known world. Revolution created America and deposed the monarchies in France, Russia, and China. Revolutions do not fail, the moral character of nations is what fails.

Christendom spread through Europe because Christians alone mobilized to preserve education and restore order to the vaccumous Europe left by Rome. While a religious order is great, it is nothing without a people to champion it.

The ethnos (nationality) is an extended family. Without regard to ethnos there can be no lasting order as cohesion of principals becomes exceedingly difficult without biological similarity. Nation first, then religion, then state.

>>130025043
Yes because Carthage deliberated too long on sending Hannibal reinforcements and supplies.

Carthage should've either

a) go all in on crushing Rome
or
b) offer a peace treaty to Rome, forcing very very favourable conditions for Carthage.

But they did neither, and they let Hannibals army wither away from attrition until it was too late. By that time they had lost the upper hand and had to recall Hannibal.

>>130025747
Exactly! Nation is not simply people living in one area. It is Family, kinship, blood.

>>130026046
Kep in mind that by this point Rome had built a considerable number of ships to reinforce their southern border and there was no guarantee that reinforcements would arrive to Hannibal safely, which is part of the reason the Carthaginians were so indecisive on the matter.

>>130016217
>spartan
Spartan are greek retard.

WTF dropped

Leftist intellectuals have killed the family which also killed the extended family; Country.

>>130026399

spartan like the adjective

>>130026462
You mean Laconian? As in strict and disciplined?

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>>130016217
>Why has Rome's descendants become so disorganized and apathetic?
racial degeneration, it is like blood poisoning

>>130026462
Camon men you dont need to claim spartan ancestory.
You literally got the most honored of all european ancestors .

Leave spartans for the greeks.

>>130016217
It's more complex then "these were Romans, wtf happened to them"

History changes. There was a time when Spain was Europe's sole superpower. When Turkey was destroying European armies left and right. When Northern Europe was Europe's backwater. Shit changes for a variety of reasons.

>>130026366
True, regardless it was indecision that ultimately doomed them imo. Either sue for peace for a guaranteed small win, or gamble for the ultimate win. Indecision is a guaranteed slow agonizing defeat.

>>130026957
>Spain was Europe's sole superpower.
Really gonna forget about Rome 2.0 also called Portugal? with a populacion of 100k conquered all the way south up to Macau

>>130016217
It's not that simple, you can ask the same about every western nation. The truth is that none of it matters until a time of deep crisis, as long as you have bread and circus the average joe won't revolt.

>>130025089
okay
actual last note from me
it will be different for you that it is for me in canada
you must multitask. get talking in your community and earn respect and influence in political bodies. know your stuff and work toward advisory positions
learnlearlearn your politics your history your anthropology your community.
you have to learn to watch many things at once and observe how they all tick.
listen more than you talk
you have to be smart and "hide your powerlevel" until youre in trustworthy company. you have to be subtle when you advise.
firm handshakes and eye contact. if people sense unhealthy fear youll plateau and lose influence. the higher you get and the higher profile people you talk to the more challenging it becomes.
most important: be all in. you have to be willing to lose EVERYTHING including your family your friend's amd possibly even your life. commitment is paramount.
start in your own country. we will discuss collaboration when the timing is right

>>130027180
Them too. I'm just naming examples.

>>130026914
>>130026566

Yes laconian. Surprised I have to explain myself, but I can understand the confusion.

>>spartan : a person of great courage and self-discipline

Let us not get off track, anyways. I think the best route for me personally is further education and then a battle plan.

Craft a movement, but as a ghost. Hijack the plans of the elites and like hawks steal their kill. Influence from the shadows and create systems which propagate themselves.

>>130016217
Ellenism fucked up Rome. Should have followed Cato the elder and kicked every ellenistic fag out of Rome when we had the chance

>>130016217
Why does Rome matter to a potato? It's not like your people had any of their influence you fucking dirt farmers.

You deserved the famine, fuck you.

>>130027337
Are there any existing structures in place? You have fascist movements, do you not?

>>130027307
>Them too. I'm just naming examples.

Thank you .

>>130027248
my id isnt Dimo on this because i changed wifi access points in case you were confused.

>>130027511

I'm not from Italy, and the sort of movement I'm talking about is deep than a party or group - that which is corruptible. I'm talking about a cultural injection of morality, discipline, and historical understanding in order to halt the seemingly inevitable rise and fall of civilizations, including our own.

>>130027496
>potato
this has to be bait right?

>>130027496
>thinking Italy is Ireland

Slow down and rethink life, anon.

>>130016217
christianity

>>130027725

Thank you for the wisdom Dimo. I will digest and apply your advice and, perhaps one day, we will meet again. Best of luck and godspeed.

>>130027906
>Slow down and rethink life, anon.


I agree

>>130027180
Portugal would not even exist today if not for their (((oldest ally)))

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>>130021482
>According to his autobiography, at the beginning of 1924 his friend Baron Louis de Rothschild introduced [Coudenhove-Kalergi] to Max Warburg who offered to finance his [Pan-Europa] movement for the next 3 years by giving him 60,000 gold marks.

>However, his Pan-Europeanism earned vivid loathing from Adolf Hitler, who excoriated its pacifism and mechanical economism and belittled its founder as "a bastard." Hitler's view of Coudenhove-Kalergi was that the "rootless, cosmopolitan, and elitist half-breed" was going to repeat the historical mistakes of Coudenhove ancestors who had served the House of Habsburg.

>The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today's races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals. [...]
>Instead of destroying European Jewry, Europe, against its own will, refined and educated this people into a future leader-nation through this artificial selection process. No wonder that this people, that escaped Ghetto-Prison, developed into a spiritual nobility of Europe. Therefore a gracious Providence provided Europe with a new race of nobility by the Grace of Spirit. This happened at the moment when Europe's feudal aristocracy became dilapidated, and thanks to Jewish emancipation.
t. Coudenhove-Kalergi

>>130028049
>Portugal would not even exist today if not for their (((oldest ally)))
What a load of bull.

Truly shows you know nothing of Portugal.

And im a american teacher

>>130021079
>>130021482
>>130021325
Also, keep.in kind that technology will fuck some shit up. It will literally be newfound land when it comes to human development against digital tools.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RPZ-uWirIN4

>>130028264
sure you are you moortuguese hue

>>130016217
Hey OP I'm an American who wants to live in Italy. I have a few questions for you.

Are you a permanent resident? What made you want to move?

How are job prospects and what do you do for a living?

What did you have to do to get the moving process started?

To answer your question it seems like Italy has always been an apathetic country. I had assumed that after the fall of Western Rome all the inhabitants went north. What you see may be the few who chose to stay mixed with Arab blood

>>130027870
Nations uncorrupted by other nations will instinctively hold themselves together as families do. Abandoning ethnic cohesion is what kills empires more than anything else. Root all morals, principals, religions, and philosophies in the nation and they will last as long as that remains the case.

>>130016701

>Pol needs to have a truly intellectual and pragmatic discussion about these matters, create a think tank of sorts, put a plan together, design a morally redeeming virus, and inject the entire world with it.

>/pol/
>moral

>>130016217
>>130016217
If you think such a broad, diluted bloodline has much/any influence on the descendants thousands of years down the line, you're sadly mistaken. The Romans themselves weren't incredibly exceptional, there were plenty of races that were extremely innovative and influential before they were systematically fucked up by jews/pseud-jews. Genetics has a large impact on things, but think of how easy it is to dilute white genes with any random sub-saharan, and apply similar logic to Roman genes after the fall of their empire, over almost 2 thousand years. There's maybe one, two families tops that could legitimately trace their shit back to actual Imperial records. The rest of the blood has been so diluted and changed and altered, in spirit and in name, that it can't properly be called Roman at all.

You're confusing the success of an ancient, culturally-unified ethnic group with the complacence and general irrelevance of a modern ethnic group that hails from HUGELY different roots. The Italians love to take pride in Roman success, just like modern Greeks and Egyptians like to pride themselves on what they have now, despite the fact that they're all very very far from the ancient civilizations they claim heritage to both genetically and culturally.

They claim the glory and the accomplishments of these peoples because it's easy and it suits them. They are not the same peoples, and have utterly different values, mindsets, and goals. The second it becomes more advantageous for them to call themselves Italian, or Arab, or Turkish, they do so. It is a matter of convenience, not reality.

>>130027511
Not that anon but kek. Every movement that look at fascism nowadays has 0 chance to do anything since if you have even the faintest trace of fascism on your ideology you would be instantly covered up by the whole media as the new Hitler, get insulted on tv by PD and assaulted at every debate by antifa and if you try to defend yourself you will be depicted as the evil fascist monster to the whole nation. Even if you get some votes and gain a position,even if it is small, you would lose it in a month due to big name's interferences (Boldrini, Fedeli and Renzi are trying to make a "fascist" comunal councilor resign by force). Casapound, Fronte Nazionale and everything else are well intended but they declared their intentions to a nation full of liberals, they will never win

>>130024824
If late reinassance italians dont have the same blood as modern day ones, then any American claiming great grandfathers in the Civil War is just straight up lying

>>130027870

So how's the weed in Rome? Not too bad it seems

>>130016217
> the spartan, enlightened lifestyle of their supposed ancestors.
Imbecile, stop watching 300 as a "documentary".

>>130018101

What is your favorite video game

>>130016217
Because they've intermingled with Moors.

>>130027870
Bringing back Enlightenment reason would reverse a lot of damage done

>>130028841
The only part of Italy held by Muslims for a prolonged period of time was Sicily. And even then they were expelled after.

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>>130018449
>I'm joining the army with some objectives in mind that due to monitoring I'd rather not discuss
It's happening

>>130029045
That line of thinking led us directly to where we are now. We need to go back to the nominalism/realism split and travel the path of realism with Christ in full view.

>>130018449
> I'm joining the army with some objectives in mind that due to monitoring I'd rather not discuss...
you damn idiot do not talk about this stuff online and KEEP IN MIND every officers phone is TAPPED. Specially if you are "strange" on your political beliefs. You have a lot to learn.

>>130029370
I haven't even joined yet lol
I'll give it some years first

>>130016527
Sounds pretty interesting, thanks for the tip.

>>130021565

You are so insanely wrong that this can only be a troll.

>>130016217
The British Empire is the greatest empire of all time, I refuse to seriously reply to your thread while you downplay our empire.

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>>130016217
Because China was and is the master race all along.

>>130029291
Yes I would completely agree, but as ideal as that would be it would cause more issues than solve them. We are built on Enlightenment thinking, and reverting to pre Reformation thinking would be very troublesome

>>130018858
The unfortunate fact about christianity is that it preaches equality under god.

An IQ 67 pygmy's soul has the same value as an IQ 148 German scientist who discovers the cure for cancer. Look at the state of the US education system. All children are treated equally, regardless of ability. They are lumped together by age as opposed to intelligence to the detriment of all. Stupid kids don't get the added attention they need and smart kids get held back by stupid kids. Because we're all equal and nobody can challenge that.

>>130016217

rome wasn't the greatest empire , roman civilization is irrelevant compared to modern civilization

>>130032026
>irrilevant

>>130031849
Before Vatican II the church emphasised hierarchy but now it is democratically oriented so it now conforms more to a socialist way of thinking then otherwise. SSPX is the only hope we have

>>130031849
The idea of equality before God specifically does not apply to human valuations. We don't have to treat everyone the same. The concept refers to the fact that no one is superior to anyone else in the eyes of the Lord, therefore salvation is not reserved for kings or lords or Jews or whites, but can be attained by anyone. It's about salvatiom, not polical policy.

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>>130016217
>Why has
because we can't into grammar anymore?

>>130032209
It is Catholic church doctrine that papal decrees are infallible, thus no Catholic can reject Vatican II without committing a heresy.

>>130030168
>WE WUZ KANGZ
Meanwhile in Bongistan people are getting arrested for posting Islamophobic content online.
Oh but it doesn't matter since we ruled over a bunch of niggers and even though they have IQ's of 70 they were still too great for the British Empire to handle. At least we have our Empire and history of being cucked by niggers though. Who cares about being English when being British is about more than race you bigots.

>>130019282
The combined efforts of the major establishment institutions throughout the 1st world are entirely devoted towards preventing white men from organizing to promote their own interests.
In the Media, Academia, in Politics, and even to great extent in the Churches there is literally nothing more inexcusable than white identity. It is considered more morally just to start a war of aggression with some random Muslims half way across the world than for white people to stand up for each other.

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>>130016217

Romans didn't completely populate the Empire. Which is why they fell.


http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/subject/knowledge%20bomb/username/anonymous5/tripcode/%21%219O2tecpDHQ6/

>>130016701
its all ogre anon

>>130032626
The church acknowledges SSPX priests

>>130032422
That's true, but think about what that means in practical terms.
A missionary who wants to do the most good can convert ten 3rd worlders with gibs more easily than a curios, skeptical, intelligent White European.
So that's where Christian missionaries focus. They go for the lowest common denominator and thus our theology has become pathetically weak here in the West. Otherwise intelligent people are not presented with any compelling arguments to have faith. Churches become overrun with shit tier people and that pushes the cream of the crop even further away.
We need a religion that honors and venerates moral excellence. Fucking protestantism is the worst cancer in existence since it doesn't even preach moral excellence and instead preaches that faith alone will lead to salvation.

>>130033229
Rome is cool and all, but they were ultimately civic nationalists. That is why they fell.

Up until Rome, every city-state of the Mediterranean was proudly xenophobic and ethnocentric. Even the Greek cities hated each other despite the people looking the same, living close to one another, and speaking very similar variations of the language. Some cities put you through hell and back again just to assess whether you had what it took to earn citizenship.

The Romans handed out citizenship like candy. It was fine when they did it to other Italian peoples and the Greeks, but then it got problematic when they started handing it out to northern europeans.

>>130029479
>I haven't even joined yet lol
>I'll give it some years first

so you're underage?

why do you try to compare people with other that lived thousands of years ago? They are aliens to what we are today. Their primary worry was to survive which to us is not really a problem. Romans were great for their time because they not only survived but they relatively made life better for themselves. We took everything that was good from them but still don't learn nothing from their demise. Sad!

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>>130019011
>Shit man, I didn't expect this from pol, you guys are alright
That's what /pol/ used to be, before shills and reddit.

>>130034442
No, I'm just getting fit, fixing myself man, I was a mess some months ago

>be Italian
>Get BTFO by Ethiopian niggers

Top kek

>>130034771
If you wanna go to military school you need to get in fast, above 21-22 years of age you won't be able to. And for gods sake if you wanna do domething from the military you do not talk about it not even on the phone, OPSEC is NOT a joke, specially in Greece about these matters, leadership hates officers that think for themselves and have ideology.

hey guys, do you want to revive Rome and make the world great again? We need an inter-continental War. We need to get invaded. We need to have our cities destroyed and pillaged. We need to see the bloodbath and the corpses of our friends. It's harsh and inhuman, I know, but you achieve greatness only through pain.

>>130033737
>>130033737
The problem isn't rooted in theology, though. It's rooted in human stupidity, which can be fixed easily when great thinkers are given a platform to speak. If you're capable of recognizing the errors you mentioned, so are missionaries and priests.

Missionaries in the early middle ages didn't have to face the problem of European extinction. I'm sure if they did they would have acted accordingly and spread a militant Christianity to Europeans everywhere - that is, even morseo than they already did. You will recall the Crusades.

>>130035318
Will do mate
Thanks for the advice

>>130035394
Crusades weren't about race, and they were basically a failure outside of Iberia. Not to mention the latins fucked the byzantines up.

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>>130016217
>Why can't Italy channel its Roman roots and reclaim sovereignty?

>>130016701
tolerance and apathy, lack of courage
life is too easy and helplessness is learned
don't let people learn helplessness or give up
yes
no
we cant

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>>130016217
>So, /pol/, what happened? Why can't Italy channel its Roman roots and reclaim sovereignty?

>>130035683
> and they were basically a failure outside of Iberia
>what is eastern europe
Crusades didn't happen only vs the muslims. People still having their ancestral religion, commonly referred to as pagans, got crusaded mercilessly, you can thank the autistic catholics for that.

>>130019189

is this a joke? early romans were hardy, rustic tribalistic farmers led by an elite of Knights and priests. typical indo european society.

to say they were civilized is to be ignorant. they were just as ruthless and primitive as the other italian tribes

which is what enabled them to be succesful, their barbarian virtues.

>>130016217
Muslim occupation and genocide.

Plus the part where stupid people outbreed the intellegent who plan children.

>>130016701
>Pol needs to have a truly intellectual and pragmatic discussion about these matters, create a think tank of sorts, put a plan together, design a morally redeeming virus, and inject the entire world with it.
>Pol needs to
now you're talking like a woman anon

>>130016217

What you know about the romans? If we read the sources we find that anarchy, degeneration and corruption were all are there during roman history, meddling with the great things.

>>130016701
Giving women rights for one.
Not mandating marriage for two.
Not exiling degenerates for three.

>>130019598
World would probably be much better, since there would be more than 1 empires, able to defeat the arabs much easier, rather to a single crippled Roman Empire. Christianity most probably wouldn't have spread, since the hellenistic rulers didn't favour anything that came out of that shithole Palestine/Judea. But this is all speculation..

Ancient Rome was probably much more corrupt and disorganized than modern Italy is. The amount of people living below the poverty line was probably enormous too. It was justimpressive at the time in comparison to the rest of the world.

Just because a civilization makes pretty buildings doesn't mean it's advanced, or that would mean China or Qatar are the most advanced civilizations right now. They're not.

>>130016217
Also, OP
>not knowing casa pound
toplele

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>>130036733
Sure thing nigger, like I told a black guy at work today - Africa still has an entire continent of blacks carrying water to and from a source. Rome constructed running water across massive lengths of land, splitting the very mountains on earth in half if they had to. You don't know SHIT.

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>>130016217
Mario didnt notice the mid east was also the roman empire.

>>130018999
Just like how Christianity (parasite culture) killed Romans (host).
Muslims (parasite culture) are killing Western Culture (host) of egality, liberty and secularism.
This will keep happening over and over, but we can stop it.

>>130037390
interesting
saved

>>130037808
We all kind of forget because Islam turned it into such a massive shithole that it's like a different world. I doubt most people even know that Istanbul is ancient Greek clay and that Turks turned the remnants of Rome into Somalia with how shit they are because it is jarring to the point unbelievable.

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>>130017242
>>>is there a force behind them
>(((Human nature)))
ftfy
the jew shaved off the gold off the roman coins and kept devaluating the currency until it was worthless
the jew did that in every fucking empire known to the sun, at least since they made a deal with yaldabaoth AKA the demiurge

>>130016217
>So, /pol/, what happened? Why can't Italy channel its Roman roots and reclaim sovereignty?
Because of racemixing. Imagine a White and Black mix together - that happened to you. Their children will not be White anymore.

>>130016217
>Roman lifestyle
>spartan

Lol
Wut?

>>130038357
They didn't have all that power back then
Sure they had money, but power was gained later

>romans
>spartan

stopped reading there.

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>>130038429

>>130016217
>IL americano
Why do americans(who are supposedly smarter than thirld-world barbarians) NEVER manage to learn decent Italian?
Is it the negroid or the injun DNA?

>>130037390
Literally has nothing to do with any of the things I've just said. As I've already explained, technology /= advanced society. Or India would be one of the most sophisticated nation on Earth because they send a probe to Mars.

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>>130039046
Who wants to learn niggerfied latin? Teehee

>>130039109
>technology /= advanced society
Haha, you're not very bright, that much is clear. Equating Rome, a country that I literally just spent 60 seconds educating you on how they literally built toilets all across Europe, and you compare them to India.

>>130038974
nice bedwench

>>130016217
Because they got raped by arabs long ago.

>>130039607
like europe soon

>>130039755
it didn't have to be like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjpI6tmIQco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgXk7UpsZus

Romans were subhumans
so are their descendants

I wish Sassanids destroyed that shitty empire. Well, we did destroy Romans but it was too late.

>>130039755
Probably. Pretty disgusting how none of you are doing anything.
If you faggots in the south would just ignore the cucks and keep the shitskins out there would be a future for europe.

>>130039959
>says a literal 3rd world somalian
see, >>130038124

>>130039959
>roach calling anyone a subhuman
You primitive faggots haven't changed for millennia.

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>>130040184
>Romaboo American subhuman
lmao

>>130039959
fuck off mohammed, no welfare for you

>>130040318
>A
>FUCKING
>ROACH
Laughable.

>>130040318
>battles from the 600's
>battles from the 1300's

Why not battles from 800-1200

Why not the multiple failed sieges of Constantinople? Why not the sacking of Aleppo?

Get he fuck out roach

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>>130040318
>when your greatest ethnic accomplishment is the theft of civilization, LARPing as your victims, and regressing the entire region back a couple thousand years

>>130016217

>"Romans"
>"Spartans"

Dumbass

>>130039573
"Before the First and Second centuries in Rome, relieving oneself in the city were all the roads led required the good old chamberpot. While this worked fine for some (and came back in vogue after the fall of Rome all over Europe) once you were done you had to get rid of your waste somehow, and most Romans did this by flinging the contents of their pots right out the window (and potentially onto whoever was walking by). Getting tired of the mess, the Julio-Claudian Emperors decided to do something about this by creating the first public toilets. As you can see (click for a bigger picture) public was the key word here, with some locations having facilities for over 50 people. And as you can guess, there was no toilet paper. Instead you get a sponge wrapped around a stick (hence, “getting the short end of the stick”). And not one for each visitor, ether. Facilities for the lower classes contained one or two sticks with a bucket of brine to “wash” with. Nicer accommodations like the one above would have likely contained more sponges to go around (but sharing was still common), and if you look closely you can see a trough were warm water from the bath houses was piped through so as to eliminate the bucket. What you see above was the cutting edge of shit technology for at least another thousand years and longer in some areas.

As a side note, people could also make money selling urine. Urine traders are described as walking up and down poorer areas of Rome barking away for people to “Sell your urine right here!”

The Roman emperor Nero levied a tax on the collection of urine in the 1st century (his successor, Vespasian, was also a fan of the tax, and applied it to all public toilets.) At least after collecting the urine from public latrines the Romans put it to good use–launderers, for example, apparently found it useful as a source of ammonia for whitening togas."

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>>130040519
>A
>FUCKING
>AMERIFAT
know your place or else i'll beat the shit out of you
>>130040526
>m-muh 1200s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As far as i know we raped Romans in 1200s in Anatolia, fuckface.

>>130041186
>i'll beat the shit out of you
OK. I'm game. Fly your ass over and I'll meet you.

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>>130041078
Forgot pic.

>>130028654
>they will never win
They don't have to win, they shouldn't even participate in the elections. Their aim should be the creation of a counter-cultural movement, win back the minds and hearts of the people that have been infected by post-modernist ideas, and if I'm not mistaken that's what Casapound is trying to do. Young people who are studying to become judges, lawyers, lawmakers, entertainers etc. and the like will read and listen to their materials and be secretly converted to the ideology and force it onto the general public. This how cultural marxism spread into Europe post WW2

>>130040318
And now look at your glorious country.
Few nice towns while the rest is a barren nexus of badlands where people live in caves.
I have a friend who was deployed to Turkey and told me that he never met stinkier and more backwards people, and this is coming from a guy who went to Africa with the foreign legion,got stabbed and shot at by niggas

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>>130041454
>stinkier
i'm sorry, the stink comes from your smelly friend.
it's a roman tradition to not wash your hands i guess.

>>130041186
Actually no starting in about 900 ad Rome began a resurgence, then with the crusades they recaptured most of Anatolia and the holy land

Then Roman cucks fucked over the orthodox Christians and you roaches moved in to try and take Roman Gloria as your first sultan/ceasar made abundantly clear when he crowns himself the new emperor in 1453

>>130040318
Do I need to remind you roaches that we destroyed you? And encouraged the balkan wars?

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>>130041698
>Turkey
>94%

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>>130041698

Now is when you pull up the map of % of roaches that use their hand to wipe their asses with.

It's EMBARRASSINGLY high.

>>130041758
>w-we destroyed you
tell that to women in Southern Italy who were raped by Ottomans LMAO


A muslim, turkish PADISHAH ruled the Roman capital for centuries. Surena would be proud
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Battle_of_Carrhae

>>130042017
we're aware, that's part of why naples is generally considered a shithole. it's a city that became a sea of trash because its infested with turkshits. i am genuinely confused why you think being such a prolific failure is a good thing. its not fucking funny nigger.

I have a bunch of stories and turks and niggas from my friend,ask me if u want em

>>130042285
Come on Medbro, tell me about the sandnigs

>>130042017
Yes Southern Italy, no one gives a shit about it
>b-but we raped n' shiet

And you lost an entire empire, kek.

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Why are Romans so shit at war?
They were shrekt'd by ALMOST EVERYONE :D

>>130042515
> :D

You have to go back

>>130042481
>you lost an empire
and you had no empire meanwhile we had great empires like Seljuks, Ottomans, Safavids and so on.
>n-no one gives a shit about it
you're a pathetic obese white subhuman, NO ONE GIVES A SHIT about what you think.

>>130042515
turks got raped so hard in WW1 because you were still living like it was 1000AD

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>>130039046
>its another all white americans have negro/injun blood in them episode
We're as injun as you are an african rape baby you greasy fucking wop.

>>130016217
The population of Rome had fallen from 1 million at 1AD to about 10000 by 800AD, Italy is likely not even the same people it was at its pinnacle

>>130028542
>To answer your question it seems like Italy has always been an apathetic country. I had assumed that after the fall of Western Rome all the inhabitants went north. What you see may be the few who chose to stay mixed with Arab blood

Americans as always have zero knowledge of history. Italy received more mixed babies from barbarians than from arab pirates.

Also fuck off we are full.

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OP are you a student? I'm going to study in Rome myself in the fall

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>>130043001
source: my fat, greasy, smelly, amerifat ass

>>130018858
Catholicism, Lutheran morality is what revitalized western morality and ambition.

As evidence look at every country that's catholic.

>>130043167
Oh fuck it's the same roach shitposting on this board and putting the same unoriginal images.

>>130043513
Inferior people are always so unoriginal. Its like they think we will chimp out like them, its actually cute.

>>130042405
>Friend is deployed to Turkey as part of a policing force in a pretty shitty area
>Walking around with buddy,doing some patrol duty
>Notice two turks arguing and creating commotion
>Have to step in and separate the guys: one is clearly mad and screams some shit before running away,livid.
>The other one starts smiling like a moron and mumbles some words.
>Yeak ok
>Friend and buddy walk away but turk tags along,as if he was a afraid of walking around alone.
>After a while police friend and turk dude part ways
>Not even 5 minutes later, blood curdling scream
>Laughing turk from before laying on the ground,half of one of his arms missing
>Da fuq happened
>Scan around whild friendly turk is literally dying from blood loss and see other turk dude running away full speed while brandishing a shovel
>First day in that shithole


They also had to give these villager guys a gift (dont remember why),so they give the chief of the village a very well made,quasi-heirloom hunting rifle with custom stock and engravings and all that shit (no ammo ofc).
Few days later they see a dude walking around with sad shotgun: stock has been sawed off and gun has been covered in gems and shit.

My buddy also got stabbed and shot at by niggers in congo or something liked that

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>>130043678
>Amerifat calling anyone inferior
lol
>Amerifat talking about chimping out
i'd literally do the same thing to you like in pic related

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>>130043678
Exactly.

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>>130043826
or this

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>>130043980
or this

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>>130043826

Shut the fuck up you disgusting roach.

The romans kicked your shit in, and made you their bitch for half a millennium.

You never stood a chance, not then, not today.

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>>130044034
>Amerisubhuman education
LMAO AMERICANS ARE EVEN MORE RETARDED THAN I THOUGHT :DDDD THEY'RE EVEN MORE RETARDED THAN FUCKING GREEKS :DDDDDDDD

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>>130043826
Yilmaz you're only making yourself look idiotic with that lashing out. Stop proving me right.

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>>130044291
>you're making yourself idiotic
I don't have USA flag next to my name.

>>130044021


You filthy roach, we just can't wait until you shitskins attack us. This time, whole Europe will demolish you to the fucking ground. You will scream to your Allah to save you, but there will be only hell.

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>>130044400
Keep posting more yili-poo.

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>>130044021
>>130043980
>>130043826

Roaches jerking off the same pics they been posting for years.

Yet your country is apart of the EU because you smell inferior subhumans cant govern yourselves properly without the help of the white man.

>talks shit about whites on a white mans invention

The irony must sting, like the sting of thousands of your ancestors being crucified.

>>130042515
That battle was lost due to internal bickering and afterwards Alexios still BTFO the roach swarm back to Asia and would have continued if not for the sacking of Constantinople.

>>130044472
I can only imagine this faggot having sleepless nights cropping and editing wiki articles about turkish victories in ancient wars.
>"Koksal why did you not show up at McDonalds yesterday"
>"But baba, i was-"
>"No buts Koksal,now take off your pants"

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>>130044400
Hey, you might not have the Star N Stripes but you do have the shit scooper of Allah.

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>>130044184
Wow they was a well formulate argument.

Atleast I have a education you illiterate fucking mongrel.

Quit bragging about knowing how to type a computer, or did your roach goverment brainwash you so hard to believe YOU WUZ KANGZ N SHEITT

>>130044807
>I-If it w-were not for
YOU LOST
DEAL WITH IT
STOP MAKING EXCUSES
ANATOLIA IS NO LONGER ROMAN
SO IS ISTANBUL
ALL ROMANS WERE BURIED ALIVE BY US
KEK :DDDDDDD

>why
Division sewn by the Protestant Revolution and that fuckhead Martin Luther. It's the ultimate source of all this retardation and degeneracy.

>>130045004
Back to Kyrgyzstatatatan, roach.

>>130043167
literally google roman population decline

>>130044846

"Koksal you missed our oil wrestling org--....I mean tournament last night! where were you!?"

Maby thats why they banned wiki in turkey?
Not enough battles being edited

Now they will make RoachWiki

British Imperium was greater.
America IS greater.

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>yet their day to day lives are entirely alien to the spartan
You do know sparta was greek right? Do you mean to say "stoic" ?

>>130045797

spartan is an adjective meaning laconian, my friend

also - scusa a tutti degli italiani qui ma io volevo a dire "lo americano"

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>>130046639
>laconian

>pretty good thread
>actual discussion, wise advice, civil arguments, data and evidence presented and rebutted/accepted
>roach comes in and shits it up
Almost like a metaphor for something.....

>>130048660
It was already going to shit with nordicists faggotry, the turk is just the nail in the coffin

>>130016527
>Egypt or Syria or Iraq for example
All countries conquered my Islam. Maybe there's a connection

>>130016701
Look at Poland's history before, during and after the partitions, and you have your answer.

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Throughout history what has caused revolt and rebellion is not the little people standing up for themselves.

In fact, I don't think there is a SINGLE revolution in the history of the world that was done by THE PEOPLE and not THE PEOPLE LED BY RICH FUCKERS.

What I'm getting at: You need those rich fuckers, those elites with connections. They are the lions in control of or leading the sheep.
The problem: All the rich fuckers are brainwashed. The elite made a poison pill for the proles and then drank it before we did.

So while there should be elites fighting for leadership of the masses to clear away their incompetent rivals and attain power, instead the elites have all colluded to share power (for the time being) until we are all completely helpless thralls. There is not enough dissension amongst the elites, there is too much consolidation of power amongst elites.

More than anything else, /pol/ needs to forcefeed redpills to the rich and powerful.
Not just joe bloe. Not just sally anne.

Leftists recognized this and acted accordingly. They infested education where the capable and intelligent go to improve themselves and they set to work brainwashing them. We now have 50+ years worth of brainwashed millionaires and billionaires going on into their 60's, and 80's in age, closely followed by their brainwashed progeny.

It will take a century for anyone with half a brain today, to make serious changes in the direction the ship is going. UNLESS we convince the current crop of elites that what they're doing is leading to ruin.

The left has George Soros.
Where is our version of Soros? Where is our Billionaire who is funding NGO's, media corporations, 'grassroots' protests and so forth? The left has turned subversion into an artform and the right seemingly has none of their own elites stepping up to the plate. Except Trump. The only billionaire to actually put his money where his mouth is - and so far succeed massively, with a great deal of public support.

>>130016217

Humans only learn from anguish, the greatest part of an empire is the moment its rised up from pits of a shattered empire and hard times, for it creates strong leaders and people who can truly take things into hand

>>130048660


ワイト ピッグ 帰ってください!!!

>>130018653
>italy
honorary asian

>>130028654
What about a Mussolini 2.0, intimidate the rest of the parties with organized violence by a group that can't be directly traced back to the party?
Do you think that'd work paisà?

>>130045004
>excuses
well it's actual history dumb dumb

>>130016217
>The Northerners (polentone) are better than the Southerners (terrone), but still far behind what I'd imagine the Romans would be like. Average IQ in North is 100 (Euro. standard) decreasing as you travel South with 88 in Sicily.
Does north italians have more italic ancestry than south italians? Who has most children of north and south italians?

>>130016217
Julius Caesar = Jesu Christu

>>130052687
>Actual history

SISSY ROMANS GET ENRICHED BY
>Khalid ibn al-BULL
>Khan Krum the Bulgarian
>Alp Arslan "Muhammad" the Turk
>Mehmed II the "conqueror"
>Umar bin Khattab the "Rum butcher"
>Amr ibn al-As, the falcon of Egypt

It can never be rebuild simply because times change. Today you need school, university degrees, good family connections etc to change something. Back then, you needed to be sneaky and kill humans, blackmail them and so forth to become influential. People had nothing to lose, today welfare and government controll prevents you mostly to become an individual that takes matters in their own hands, you basically just slave away your day, not living, but not dying either.

This is what we humans need again, a real feel of survival, only out of that real innovation can come.

>>130021022
>Efforts are in the works to revive canada
what is canada to you?

>>130021368
>Average people are extremely malleable
How? What do you need to do and be to mold people for the right path?

>>130021482
>Richard von Coudenhove Kalergi'
did he have any children? What would be their place in this new world?

Who are the pureblooded elite

>>130056621
>>130028160
Read this other post

>>130016217
>No one is willing to organize, no one is willing to rebel, revolt, and take matters into their own hands.
Speak for yourself. Ever since I stopped playing vidya and started meeting people I've encountered a surprising amount of people who are unironically 14/88, or at the very least old style fascists. I'm slowly building up a network.

Hi DIGOS.


>>130020343
This.

>>130016217
Because romans are dead; you're looking at bastard Arabs role-playing as romans because nobody in their right mind would willingly claim to be a fucking sand nigger when the great white Roman Empire is your alternate choice.

>>130049803
くださいとしなければなりません。行こうとのほうがいいだよ

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>>130036007
This. Even ignoring the "we wuz romans" debate, Italy (or rather the Italian people living in what today is roughly equivalent to modern Italy) had other periods of splendor, most notably the Renaissance and the Fascist era.

The West as a whole today is decadent after decades of easy life AND Jews unironically doing what Jews do. Unfortunately for Italy, and every other Western nation, so long as they remain within America's cultural, political, and military grip they're bound to go down with it: this decadence began in America and will end in America.

>>130038601
uh yeah what do you mean "they"?
ever heard moses may have in fact been akhenaten?
how's that for power?
the exodus would have been akhenaten being thrown out of the realm with his posse by the ancient polytheistic cult of amon, rejecting his new monotheistic aton cult
amon led to amen btw
they also ruined babylon just the same way they wrecked every empire in recorded history

what are your guys thoughts on rome 2 total war? I might have to get another game going with all this roman talk going on!

>>130057725
違うよ、言わないって言って方が良いよ。お前馬鹿かな?

>>130016217
Because Rome wasn't Italy, Italy was populated by Gauls and Celts, Rome simply conquered it. Also, original romans and italians are long gone, same as old egyptians, old syrians and old greeks.

>>130059755
言わないと*、「しなければなりません」あまり使わない。

you're in Rome and don't see the Romans? open your eyes, jew.

>>130059874
greeks too in the south

>>130059874
you are wrong about old Romans/Greeks being gone. some lines from southern italy are actually ancient greek then roman patrician. they are around and post on certain sites.

>>130018101
When did Caesar see his people in ruins?
He was just a bad ass politician/general.

>>130053031
only sicily was touched by arabs. the south was mainly greek, norman, and byzantine. sicily got some a-rabs yes.
>italy master race

>>130061314
yes go read "conquests of Gaul" before this thread dies

>>130061314
The Senate was incompetent and was bad for the empire after a while