Catalan thread

In the Union?

>>130012023
Me gusta la bandera que te sale al lado de la ID anon, ese es tu futuro ;)

>>130012384
esta?

>>130012023
Whatever

>>130012634
Mira, realmente no tengo nada en contra del indepentismo catalán, pero si piensas que la unión europea os apoyará u os aceptará si os independizáis teniendo en cuenta lo que se extá extendiendo el independentismo por Europa ... Sería tirar piedras sobre su propio tejado

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You're not becoming independent.
Spain is a great ally in the pro-EU block and if you have intentions of hurting our great ally in Madrid, we will bomb you like we did back in 1937 in Guernica.
This time it will be called legion EU and mama MErkel will bomb you back into the EU you freedom loving bitch ass

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>>130013029
better flag

>>130013061
We hurt Madrid. You get Barcelona.

I only see pros.

>>130013061
Prepare the stukas gerbro we might need to bomb some rebels again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC9Lmr5mjJQ

>>130013061
>Spain is a great ally in the pro-EU block
Are you aware at least 61% of us don't trust the EU?

>>130013188
there will be no more positive precedent allowed for regions or countries leaving the EU.
Those who want to leave this great Union will suffer the consequences of the german wrath.
EU army when?

>>130013333
Are you ok German? Have you been dreaming with the III Reich again? Don't cry its ok.

>>130013317
it's cute that you don't trust, as long as you don't get out of line.
We have guarantees by the Madrid government that any opposition to the EU will be handled with violently in Spain. We will sponsor this with billions if need be

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>>130013566
Wow this violence.

>>130013677
unconstitutional referendum. If assholes from catalonia are intending to break the constitution and break our great ally Spain, we will respond accordingly

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>>130012023
can't fucking wait
as soon as that happen then Republikas Srbska is next

altough i feel kinda sad for Spainbros i despise entire spain (((government))) and i wish them the worst shitstorm imaginable and utter chaos
(((they))) supported albanian shitskins and bombed us with (((nato))), now let them taste their own (((medicine)))

>>130013848
We did it once and nothing happened. Stop crying bro.

>>130013881
Thanks Serbro.
Do not feel sorry for (((( spain )))). They are all filthy sevillian niggers with muslim genes.

>>130013333
Ahahahahah keep calm you forth-reichy. Stop your dreams, EU will never be unite, it's impossible. I'm not anti-eu but that's simply crazy. We are different nations and we have to remain that. EU can be only a diplomatic and economic union, but it has to change because members are treated in different ways, it just doesn't help south countries with migrants and this euro bullshit has taken down national economies. We are now trapped in a value that underestimated the Lira and from wich we can't escape

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>>130013848
kraut nigger desperatelly trying to keep his clusterfuck (((abomination))) in order

good i fucking love german salt
need moar

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>>130013956
keep testing us

>>130012023
What is the purpose of being independent if you keep euro?
To be enslaved more by Germany?

>>130012023

I really liked Barcelona and Valencia. Spanish chicks really dig tall, blonde blue eyed men. I feel like you guys are pretty white too, many of the chicks I met had blue/green eyes. If I were you I would just try to limit influence/admixture from the Cádiz area where the people seem to be awfully dark and stupid. Good luck

>>130012023
Barca is going to win the league forever and ever and ever

Fellow peninsulares, how is the opinion about our political status? Here in canarias people dont give a fuck about anything besides futbol and la aue se avecina, and the ones that pretend to be political fall always to the commie meme.

So, how are things? its people getting angrier? also the mudslimes, are they being a nuissance? here they are fine, no 600000000 rapes.

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>>130012023
Don't use that disgusting commie trier flag.

>>130014402
To be able to express myself in my own language. Have my own culture. Decide my own laws. Be governed by the politicians that we choose.

Yeah it is a good exchange.

>>130013333
ironically no one believes you in Europe, it is not like 90s or 60s anymore

Germany is ruining the whole europe

>>130012634
Not if we get independence luckily.

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>>130013188
>>130013333
>>130013566
>>130013677
>>130014311

yo besides all the catalonion shit (you will get bombed), we have some nice checks in this thread

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>>130013061
>This time it will be called legion EU
We'll be waiting for you roach. Your shit union will collapse this year you'll see.

>>130013566
>it's cute that you don't trust, as long as you don't get out of line.
The very second the cons outweigh the pros you can bet we'll leave the EU

Spanons, Spexit when? the eternal kraut are ruining your peaceful country

>>130012023

I feel sad for the catalonians. Their government knows they have a proper referendum. They also know they would lose in a proper referendum. Still, the try to push central government and population to "see what happens". In other country they would be already in prison.

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>>130014646
Are you kidding?
You are the most corrupted country in the entire world.
You cheat all the fucking rules that you impose.
Now you are building an army to invade Poland againg.
Merkel is froma a polish family but she is ashamed of her heritaged and changed the surname.


Germany is a disgrace for the entire world.

>>130014646
>you will get bombed
Please do it. In the cities there's only shit. Than we'll be 100% Catalan once again.

>>130014581
You have to exit eu to do that.

>>130014514
People is getting very angry at least where i live. After the failed mocion de censura a lot of people support more the referendum. Mudslimes are relaxing a little bit, there hasn't been movidas in the last 4-6 months.
PP is still loosing votes here. PSOE is fucking done. Ciutadans and Podemos grew a little bit and ERC stays as it was.

>>130014985
Who said i dont?
I only support catalonia independence. First things first.
We get referendum.
We become indpendent.

After that we'll see what we do about Europe.

>>130014942
>You are the most corrupted country in the entire world.
Kidding me?

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>>130014818
One of the cons will be that you will be sanctioned and bombed (or terror sponsored) if you leave the true destiny of EU.
So cons will always outweigh pros, no problem.
>>130014942
you bring disgrace to the EU flag, we will not tolerate any more softness for nationalists or independentists. Only suffering now

>>130015223
Hell no.
Check how many money are used in and by Germans to do corruption. They are first in the entire world.
Until 2006 to corrupt foreigner governs was not only legal, but it was untaxed.

The "corruption perception list" is shit, founded by German lobbiest corruptors to hide how much they are disgusting.

Germans are the scum of earth.

>>130015844
this

>>130015844
THIS

>>130015353
>One of the cons will be that you will be sanctioned and bombed (or terror sponsored) if you leave the true destiny of EU.
>So cons will always outweigh pros, no problem.

Sanctioned by whom? The Islamic republic of Al-Alemani?
The EU is dying, the fastest you realize it the better we'll do

>implying catalonian nationalism isnt completely fabricated.

>>130016555
>implying spain country isn't completely fabricated and an imagination of a dictator

Arent the catalonian seperatists in favour pf turning it into a communist nigeria hooked on EU gibs and shillig for migrants?

>>130016555
look back at iberian history

>>130012023
you know that EU won't accept unilateral secession, don't you?
the moment you're out, you're on your own, for many years to come
starting with a crippling debt that Spain nor the ECB will fund

>>130016637
>fabricated
>600 years of common history between modern spain
>catalonian education

>catalan independence
>not even 100 years

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>>130014993
Thanks bro. Also, any party that is worth checking out? Also I need good sources for spanish politics and dont know were to start. Do we have some kind of Styx? that would be noice.

>>130016982
what the Kingdom of Aragon ? You realise that was an ARAGONESE kingdom, it just happened to encompass the catalan area within.

>>130017121
The kingdom of Aragon was just a territory more controlled by the counts of Barcelona.

>>130017121
This doesn't mean anything. It set a precedent for a different nation, culture, language. Also in South Italy there was the Kingdom of Naples (that included Sicily), but it surely helped creating a precedent for Sicilian secessionists back in time. The fact that the name is different doesn't mean absolutely nothing.

>>130012023
what do you even do? All I know is from the Netflix Borgia series. They used Catalan as an insult, and called them iberian jews

Imagine Catalonia being independent when they can't even pay some shitty pharmas lol

>>130012023
>>130013029
>>130013106
cringe

Dream on. You are a huge moneymaker to the state. Pretty important to the Jews.

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Friendly reminder: I'm going to kill as many independentists as physically possible once the civil war starts

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>Catalonia gets independence
>Spain goes from 2.1% muslim to less than 1%
>Cucktalans will believe that they will be a haven for Europeans
Really gets the neurons to activate

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>>130013029

>>130013029
kek'd
what a dumbass

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>>130021813

>>130021813
We both know that won't happen mister edgelord.

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>>130013061
My man

It won't end well for you

>>130013677
>My dog calls for independence referendum for my ranch in texas

>>130022162
KEK
sad but true

If Kosovo can do it so can Catalonia am i rite guys ? :DDDD

>>130023060
One day, Kosovo, Bosnia, Albania and FYROM will get Blitzkrieg'd by Serbia.

>>130012023
Cataluña es España.

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>>130012023
REDPILL ME ON WHY MADRID WANTS TO KEEP BARCELONA IN SPAIN.

I don't get it.

Em sento magníficament

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>>130023303
>Redpill me on why a country doesn't want to let a part of it go

>>130023468
>>Redpill me on why a country doesn't want to let a part of it go
Yes, redpill me on why Madrid wants to keep Barcelona in Spain. I do not understand why.

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>>130023060

>>130012023
Bad, but not entirely, because I know we're gonna make you regret it.

>>130012023
>catacucks have the chance to not be with a spanish flag anymore
>still uses the flag

top kek catacuck you'll get fucking nothing retard

>>130023562
i know, but lets be real, it's not because they care about serbia, they are just looking after their own interests because of the whole catalonia thing

>>130012023
The bad thing about it is that catalonia is full of fucking nigger lovers.

>>130023303
Catalonia is
>16% of total Spain's population
>19% of Spain's GDP
>26% of exports
>24% of industrial production
>24% of high-tech workers
>26% of tourism
We have always been the motor of Spain and they still rely on our gibs.

>>130023743
Do you really want Kosovo to be part of Serbia?
If I had a region populated by albanians I'd want to get rid asap.

>>130022675
Yes because kektalans are just a bunch of pussies

>>130012023

I'm glad, I think we will do great, national pride is lacking in Europe nowadays so I'm hopeful for my fellow catalanists.

>>130012023
My nose is flat
My face is black
But still I am a man
Thank god I am a negro
And not a Catalan

>>130014581
You alredy have all those rights idiot

>to express myself in my own language
You can make the Declaracion de la Renta in Catalan you faggot

>Have my own culture
There's only one fucking day forced by the central goverment and you bitch about it

Go to work like the rest of your ideological brain washed friends if you dont like dia de la hispanidad


>Decide my own laws
Dude we have to pay 5% more on our sugared drinks and those laws imposed by Spain that you dont like can be recurred to Germany, ups not Germany i mean Europe.


>Be governed by the politicians that we ch
Ok you have some retardation here.

>>130024786
Yeah while also begging for more rapefugees. Fucking cucks, if I see any of you here, I'm going to murder you.
t.Valencian

what happens in Spain? why is this country full of communists ?

>>130025116

Fight me faggot.

>>130025202
More like Barcelona is full of commies. The rest of Spain is cool.

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>>130012023
Jo també sóc català i fins fa poc molt independentista, et recomano llegir aquest article. L'independentisme és un invent masonic per dividir Espanya y destruirla
http://es.dailystormer.com/2017/06/10/cataluna-decidira-el-1-de-octubre-si-quiere-independizarse-de-espana-y-depender-de-israel/

>>130025291
EL FARÉ PER ESPANYA
https://youtu.be/jwyilGBNoms

>>130025116
To have control of our borders is a perk of independence too. You won't force us to take shitskins anymore.
And btw those who're already here have spanish nationality. Enjoy them because we're sending them back.

>>130012023

Why of all things you chose a Star?

Only Muslims, commies and Jew-Slaves include then into their flags, Tomeu.

>>130025715
Com no, en castellá.

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>>130025775
>W-w-we'll send them back! I-I-I swear
L M A O
Just look at your corrupt shitty fucking cuck politicians
>MUH SPAIN IS FASCIST AND EVIL, WE MUST SAVE THESE POOR NEGROES

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>>130021813
>lazy siesta niggers killing anything

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>>130015107
Pensaba com tu però no hi haurà temps d'això, ens enriquirant culturlament fins a límits inimaginables un cop siguem independents d'Espanya per passar a dependre d'Israel. Hem de buscar anexionar Portugal i Andorra, no dividir. http://es.dailystormer.com/2017/06/10/cataluna-decidira-el-1-de-octubre-si-quiere-independizarse-de-espana-y-depender-de-israel/

>>130025715
>Jo també sóc català
Yeah sure you are Paco.

But tell me, why would (((they))) want to mess up Spain when it is already in control of the globalists? That's like shooting themselves in the foot.

>>130025987
La majoria d'aquesta comunitat sóm catalans -_-"

>>130026020
Are you retarded?
Immigration depends 100% on the central goverment in Madrid.
How many shitskins are allowed to come in Spain and how they're distributed is the decision of the politicians in the capital.
Maybe stop talking bullshit and learn a bit if your tiny brain can make it.

>>130026111
They want a colony in Europe and Spain is one of the most antisemitic states. Is not enough?

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>>130026047
>Literally the WE WUZ ANCIENT GREEKZ N SHIEET nation of Europe.
When is Bulgaria and Albania annexing you, FYROM?

>>130026111
A mi també em van emplenar el cap d'ilusions a favo de la independència i amb propaganda antiespanyola, es cert que una catalunya independent seria molt més rica. Es cert que seria més (((Democrática))) Pero no seria ni independent ni catalana sinó pregunta al dirigent estranger de Corea del Nord Alejandro Cao de Benos que t'ho explicarà bé

>>130026339
Nonsense. If you have been paying attention their plan is to create one world goverment so dividing already loyal countries makes 0 sense.

Aren't Catalonians even more left-leaning than the average Spaniard?

They want to leave Spain because "muh culture" and "muh money" only to surrender both of those to refugees?

>>130026781
Yes, they are a bunch of mind-controlled puppets. If they get their independence, all those refugees will get a first class boat trip to Europe.

>>130024163
You rely on your tantrums. Franco should have pulverized Catalonia and turn it into a big pile of dust.
t. Galician.

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>>130026290
Mira el que passa pels carrers de Barcelona, Jordi
>HEM D'ACCEPTAR MÉS REFUGIATS CONYYYY
>ELS MUSULMANS > MANOLOS CONYY
KEK

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>>130026466
When you skip you 6th nap of the day to go to work
i mean never

Divide et Impera is not nonsense. Divided contries are more easly to take under control. The plan right now is to make Eurabia. If you think (((they))) will not made a califate to make disappear europeans then you didn't understood their priorities. T'estas enganyant a tu mateix jo també ho feia. Has escoltat a la "dreta " independentista?

>>130026557
>Pero no seria ni independent ni catalana
Tampoc ho és ara.
>una catalunya independent seria molt més rica
Això es veritat mira.

Tu mateix m'estàs dient que surtiriem guanyant amb la independència.

>>130013061
>>130013297

People all across the world are ready to travel to Catalonia to fight off you bastards! fuck the eu, fuck berlin and fuck madrid!

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>>130027096
Actually, it's already happening

>>130025361
WoW Catalunya is really fucked m8

>>130013061
america will prob intervene tho, considering the fact that they'll support the movement of becoming independent

>>130027193
You mean those SJWs from California vs The Spanish Army?

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>>130026047
This. The funniest thing about these threads is all the spainiggers LARPing about how ''w-we're gonna bomb you'' while their cucked (((government))) sits in the corner as we crash their country with no survivors

tick tock, spaincucks

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>>130027342
>he skipped his 5 and 3/4 nap to find a image
holy shit m8 that's an improvement

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>>130027076
>Madrid

>>130027113
T'explicaré com funciona. En el moment duna eventual indpendència de Catalunya , Catalunya no ha tingut temps de recaudar diners per ella mateia i obviament en cas d'unilateralitat Espanya no li fa el préstec. En aquest punt necesiten un prèstec estranger com ja ho han dit en més d'una ocasió i no es cap secret que des del primer dia Israel es favorable a la indepndència de Catalunya y seria qui faria el préstec. D'aqui bé que des de Corea del Nord ens intentessin avisar de que perdriem la poca indepdenència que ara tenim per passar a ser com estats Units on el gobern es 100 sionista o algo pitjor. Et recomano viatjar per España veuràs que hi ha espanyoles molt guapes sense burka y que no ens odien.

>>130013881
Hey Spain still doesn't recognize the Kosovo scum. We are bro-tier

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>>130026111
si has vist com jo he vist els anuncis del pro-independència plens de negres i moros dient que son catalans, ja em diuras per que estàs a favor d'ells? Es que vols una Catalunya mora ii negra, una Catalunya marro, vols una Catalunya que sigui tot contra el que han lluitat els herois de la pàtria catalana?

>>130027108
>Divided contries are more easly to take under control.
Spain is already controled and if it wasn't it wouldn't be difficult to conquer.

>>130026781
That's a myth perpetuated by the spanish niggers because we're better than them at everything so they have to invent things to make us look bad.

We're mosty libertarian due to our entrepreneurial and industrious character. The spanish instead are socialists because they're lazy fucks who needs gibs to survive.

>>130027113
Pedre la identitat a canvi de diners, segur que estàs al forum on vols estar? Potser en trobaries algun que concordi més amb els teus ideals

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>>130027642
>Madrid
'Kay, I don't live there.

>>130027644
i want to follow the conversation so speak English you Paco, i don't understand your beaner language

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>>130027498
You are going to crash my balls in your mouth, merchant piece of shit.

>>130027435
lol..the spanish army is a fucking joke m8...hate to break it to you, but ive never even heard of them before. 4 million Californians voted for trump, i actually live here, our countryside is filled with people armed to the teeth, and guess what, we had the EU, hate berlin, and we stand with Catalonia

>>130027644
El govern espanyol té un deute superior al pib amb bancs d'(((ells))). Més controlats no podem estar.

>>130027373
>The Jewnited Puppets of Israel
>Being anti EU
How fucking delusional can people be?

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>>130027876
>Barcelona
'Kay, I don't live there.

>>130027721
Però és antisemita y hi ha la posibilitat de revolució nacional. Si els emplenen amb la moronegrada sense disimular augmenta les posibilitats de revlució. Per això els mitjans enganyen i no ens diuen que ens donaràn pel cul directament. A Una Catalunya independent si que li donarien pel cul

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>>130027919
Wow! Oh I'm so scared about how Jordi voted for a kike puppet! Yet again!

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>>130027911
>you disagree therefore are a merchant
siesta niggers actually believe this

>>130027919
get out of my country you commie scum

>>130027919
this desu...IM WITH HER (Catalonia) oh sweet land

>>130027932
http://es.dailystormer.com/ Alguns organitzem la resistencia. Si España es trenca ho tenim pitjor.

>>130012023

occitan french here. I'm happy to see that you guys are pretty close to be independant.

>>130027715
>si has vist com jo he vist els anuncis del pro-independència plens de negres i moros dient que son catalans
You fool them into vote for you and then have them killed. Basic deception tactics manolo.

ok

>>130028166
lol, first off I wasnt born, here, second off not a commie, third off The State of Jefferson will rise again lad! do some research

>>130028031
>Però és antisemita
>Espanya
The time for Spain is coming. The next generation is going to be like us, a bunch of culutreless, nationless cucks. The majority of the current Castilian youth vote podemos.

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>>130028211
Not really, pretty close to be a Israel's dominated state. They will lend us money

>>130027644
Kek no tens ni idea. Creus que els països primer recauden diners dels impostos per poder pagar tots els serveis que donen? Que va. Primer es crea el deute per obtenir el capital i llavors es paga aquest deute amb els impostos.
És una estafa jueva ho sé però és igual a tot arreu. Tant Espanya com una Catalunya independent funcionarien igual en aquest sentit.

>>130027715
Mai miro la tele però tinc clara una cosa. El govern espanyol envia aquí a la majoria dels immigrants que arriben a Espanya. Ni en el pitxor dels casos una Catalunya independent rebria tants immigrants com en rebem ara.

>>130028321
you have to go back , filthy beaner

>>130028233
in your dreams aleix, tell will be the new brown face of catalonia, they not only are a more stable source of votes thay are also a more reliable workforce, if you vote independentist (JuntsPelSi) you are voting for the extermination of Catalonia

>>130028210
Ho tenim igual de malament per no dir millor. Al menys la gent que conec esta fins els collons dels moros i la propaganda jueva després de tant temps i sense la UE per defensar els drets humans poden passar coses interessants.

>>130028451
i'm not really sure that your king is better than being an official israeli dominion like my country currently is.

I love watching those famous(rich) Catalonians hype up the crowd. Last week Pep Guardiala was even speeching in English. These rich folks don't give a damn when their economy is going to crash. Spain will never recognise Catalonia as an independent state, because of this Catalonia will never enter the EU. It will basically be a Catalonian Brexit. Not really smart seeing how much money they make from European tourists. Right now someone from a European country can ID themself in Catalonia with a ID card. If they become independent people are going to need a passport. Many tourists will not go to Catalonia anymore because they are not going to get themselves a passport for that one time they are going to Catalonia, instead they will choose another destination.

Catalonia might be the wealthiest region in Spain. If you would judge them on European standards they aren't anything special at all. Have fun listening to that famous Barcelona player that is making at least 5 million euro's a year, when the Catalonian economy crashes he won't give a shit about you.

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>>130028438
No es necesari tenir una majoria per arribar el poder i fer un etno-estat

>>130028211
Thanks mate.

>>130012023
You need to change your flag, looks like fucking god damn Peurto Rico, a place that doesn't even deserved to be spelled correctly, let alone have their flag emulated. Back to the drawing board guys.

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>>130028461
Un préstec tan enorme com per fer un estat es busca a interès 0 pactant amb un altre estat. L'interès està en convertirnos en minoria

>>130028523
I don't vote, and in case of independence I will unironically create a party. People is really tired of all this shit. In Castile since you are 99% Castilian in every town you haven't experienced the kikes, we have and people starts to want change.

>>130028748
Puc dir el mateix per Catalunya. I Franco molta estima no ens tenia.

>>130023743
>it's not because they care about Serbia,

Honestly and without disdain/offense, do they have to care or show solidarity with the Serbian people?

Our (((rulers))) aren't supposed to have personal relationships with other states and only bow supposedly to our countries interests.
Spain being in NATO is more important in long term than its participation NATO intervention in Kosovo.

(((USA))) used the Kosovo conflict to make (((NATO))) relevant or not get disbanded until Russia got back on its agressive policy again and CIA niggers used islamist terrorism to give more purpose.

>>130028461
no es veritat, mira a gent com la Ada Colau ella es la que vol que aquest lloc s'empleni de moros, precisament l'antiga CIU va donar suport que migressin a les grans ciutats i els van donar permís de construir mesquites, en el cas de una Catalunya independent això s’emplenarà de moros i negres com en el anunci de Junts Pel Sí i jo gracies al cel tinc un lloc al que fugir de l'infern que seria una Catalunya independent

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>>130013029

GUERRA DE RACES, ARA

Hem d'alliberar la terra de moros i indesitjables. La independència és el menys important avui dia.

>>130013029
keked

a mi los catalanes me vais a caer bien seais independientes o no y no hay nada que podais hacer para evitarlo

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>>130012023
after the independence we must go full 14/88

>no catalan surnames
gas

>anschluss valencia and balears
>catalan lebensborn
>colonize perpignan

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>>130028859
The triangle and the star is masonic influence, same on Puerto Rico, Sahara and more countires of south america. Anyway in case of independence then the ofcicial flag have no star

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>>130012023
No you're not. Catalonia is a cancer in this earth. You're worse than the fucking SNP in Scotland, glad they got voted out of my constituency.

>>130028889
Un deute superior al 100% del pib amb la UE és el mateix que amb Israel. Que no ho entens? Només mira quins partits hi ha al congrés i al parlament i com cada dia hi ha més negres i moros al carrer.

>>130028743
Shit, if I were the EU, I'd take Catalonia and kick out the Spanish. The rest of Spain is incompetent.

>>130029069
>Hem d'alliberar la terra de moros i indesitjables.
Com dins la UE?

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>>130029023
Franco no pero els nous feixistes no prohibirem el català perque la majoria sóm catalans i estem molt ben organitzats d'aqui poc ens visibilitzarem politicament. es.dailystormer.com

>>130028906
no you don't, i live in catalonia in barcelona, this place is full of progres who want more rapefugees, you can't even belive what you say, Aleix vesten a dormir que no se que t'has pres que estàs avui mes extrany

>>130029069
La independencia es purament masoneria que són els boy scouts de la maçoneria. Apart es nomes una ilusió de independencia no independencia real ni molt menys Etno estat

>>130029335
>perque la majoria sóm catalans
M'estas donant la raó company.

>>130029069
>Nationalisme Català
>while being part of spain and getting cucked by their (((government)))
top fucking kek, you are either delusional or a Manolo

Everybody love History.
This little tale is old but interesting.


"The Byzantine emperor then attempted to stop the Catalans with a large army, but was defeated at Apros in 1305; in part because the Alans, fearful of Catalan wrath at the loss of de Flor, deserted the Byzantine army in the field. The Catalans then advanced to Rhaidestos, which became a center of operations for an ineffectual blockade of Constantinope and raids throughout Thrace for approximately two years (1306-1307 AD).

By 1308 bloody internal dissension and Byzantine resistance to their constant raids from their base in Gallipoli forced them to move into Thessaly, in Northern Greece. Using Salonica as a center of operations, they raided that region and ravaged the rich Eastern Orthodox monasteries at Mt. Athos.

In 1310, the Catalans accepted a new employer, Walter de Brienne, the Duke of Athens and one of the promient leaders of the so-called Romanian Frankish "Latin Empire." They captured over thirty castles for him, but when peace was concluded in 1311 de Brienne attempted to dismiss them without pay, and answered their reasonable demands with insults. This led to their rebellion and open battle. They laid a trap for the Duke at Kephissos by arraying for battle behind a newly flooded field. Walter and his Frankish knights charged unknowingly into the mire and were destroyed by the resourceful Catalans. Duke Walter and a huge proportion of his knights were slaughtered, leaving the Catalans masters of his Duchy."

>>130028889
Et repeteixo que ningú ens ha de prestar diners. El banc central crea el deute i imprimeix tants diners com sigui necessari. Al cap de l'any es paga el deute amb els impostos recaudats.

>>130029343
>barcelona
That's the problem.

>>130012023
Spain will push your shit in as soon as you decide to become independent. They'll also flood you with migrants to make sure you end up nothing more than a client state. Mama Merkel wants you to be enriched goyim.

>>130029314
Bé, és cert que sortir de la UE sense independència és molt difícil, però la majoria d'independentistes volen entrar a la UE un cop tinguem estat propi. I així no anem enlloc.

>>130029510
Never said that.

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>>130028211
occitans are bros

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>>130029561
And thats the solution


POGROMO NOW!

>>130029627
>però la majoria d'independentistes volen entrar a la UE un cop tinguem estat propi.
La gent es pot fer canviar molt fàcilment d'opinió avui en dia.

>>130029631

This. Together we shall build the ultimate ethnostate.

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>>130029627
Majoria dins una minoria, tingues en compte la moronegrada.

PD:passa't pel foro es.dailystormer.com

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>>130029545
So Scatalans are also responsible for the death of the Byzantine Empire... truly the jews of Western Europe.

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>>130029682
that pic

>>130029631
>Valencia too
No
t.Jaime

Veniu tots al foro a es.dailystormer.com allà ens organitzarem millor, no podem pedre el temps

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>>130029561
no, the majority of cities are like this, I lived in a town near Ripoll, Girona and I also know well how are towns and the north. Major cities are always the same and even towns now are full of mudslims and sudacas for example I lives a year in Puigcerdà and I saw niggers, sudacas (peruvians) and mudslims even in these zones they are growing in numbers and it's because of parties like the old CIU and Esquerra Republicana both are cancers for Catalonia, the future of Catalonia is inside Spain and outside of the UE, we must unite all Iberia against the foreigners invasors that the UE sends to us

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>>130029918
Then we make some sort of Anschluss with Aragon.

>>130029919
>>130030054
>nancy memeforum

>>130029986
360 por las 359 veces que se han expulsado a lo largo de la historia. Ven a es.dailystormer.com Tenim bons memes

>>130030080
Fuck off. We don't don't want you.

>>130030080
aragon are mainly castellanos so i doubt you could do something like that

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>>130029343
>>130029051
I wonder who vote the commies...really makes you think.

> *says incredible nervous catalan since 1700s

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

>>130030077
>they are growing in numbers
>and it's because of parties like the old CIU and Esquerra Republicana
Explain this.

Also that was all I'm saying, in towns people is tired of this new arrivals.

And what is the point of staying in Spain if we get the same ammount of niggers we would get at the begining of being independent?

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>>130026061

>>Hurr durr, annex Portugal, hurr durr (((Speedy Gonzalez annoying trumpet babble))) Hurr durr, annex Portugal, hurr durr.

Come and take Portugal.

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>>130030126
Put memes there is a strategy to atract more people

>>130029881
Tant de bo així sigui.
>>130029919
Gràcies. Li donaré una ullada.

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>>130030194
You will learn to love us my Aragonian friend.

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>>130012023
>Be right wing/tradicionalist/reactionary catalufo indepedentist.
>Cataluña becomes an state by some kind of miracle.
>Now you live in a socialist/moor dystopia thanks to the CUP
Good work

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>>130029223
perfidious albion get out of here, you betrayed catalonia more times that I can remember, you nasty cunts!

This thread reeks of Catharism.

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>>130030323
We will take Portugal , Andorra and north Catalonia (FR) and make a Great new Iberian Etnhostate

>>130030362
nazism is a meme ideology, pal

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>>130030753
Have you read Mein Kampf or any book about national socialism?

PAY DEBTS CATALONIA

YOU OWN SPAIN MORE THAN 1000 MILLION €

THEN WE COULD TALK ABOUT FREEDOM

>>130030312
Now the real question is how do you push a catalan nationalist and anti-immigrant agenda when the huge majority of the population of Catalonia are immigrants?
This is where we're fucked.

>>130012023
>How does it feel that we are going to become an independent state?
keep dreaming, that will never happen and you know that well.

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>>130029223

GOTHIA REMEMBERS.

>"you gain your ends, and damn them when you're done"

>>130030870
You owe even more to the kikes manolo.

>>130030917
We need to stay in Spain make a national revolution, pogromo , etnostate and invade Portugal and Andorra.

>>130030312
they are the ones who support multiculturalism so they can have a cheap and reliable workforce, also note that all parties want to stay in the UE, basically they want to take even more refugees and flood Catalonia with ''new catalans''. As I said we should unify iberia and expulse the european barbarians, the moros, the sudacas and the niggers. I know that Spain did not tread well Catalonia (I’m catalan if you drop a penny to the ground probably I would jump as a jew to take it) but it’s time to unite against the biggest threat to our culture, religion, economy, and basically our lives that the peninsula has faced since the Moorish invasion.
>>130030323
portugal was once spanish we surely can win you cucks and your nigger of a PM

>>130030853
No, but i know what it's about

>>130030974
Yo soy catalan y va a pasar por culpa de los jodidos masones y me jode tanto como a ti a pesar de que hasta hace poco era muy independentista por culpa de la propaganda anti española

>>130030917
Independence and then pass a retrospective law regarding citizenship.

Divide et impera is part of their (((agenda)))

>>130031085
You're crazy if you think Catalonia can be anything inside Spain other than a milking cow.

>>130029545

AHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Treacherous Byzantine niggers got fucked in the arse.

The Balkans will never recover from our revenge.

The Mediterranean should always fear The Catalan and their Varingian pals.

>>130031557
It was the Fourth Crusade though. When we fucked them they were already weak.

>>130031188
Ets català tipo Manolo Jiménez o Jordi Rovira?

Que sàpigues que tant els meus pares com avis són independentistes i això que van créixer durant la dictadura. La "propaganda" que dius hi té ben poc a veure.

>>130031704
they were the first one to attack in such a treacherous way, it's called vengeance for a reason

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>>130031445
Si el que vols es sobirania els de Madrid en tenen poca? Els maçons es volen aprofitar de la situació TV3 es pogre des de la visita de Mas a Israel

PUTOS CATALANES DE MIERDA OS VAMOS A METER VUESTRA BANDERA DE MEIRDA POR EL CULO

SEGUID TOCANDO LOS COJONES QUE ALGÚN DÍA SE OS ACABARÁ EL CIRCO

>>130031188
Por que querrían los masones una Cataluña independiente? No se va a ceder ante los nacionalismos locales, dejar prosperar a una Cataluña independiente seria un terrible precedente para la unión europea, el mensaje es simple, o estas en la unión europea, o estas en la mierda, eso se lo harán saber a Cataluña, súmale que absolutamente nadie (que le importe a alguien) quiere tener nada que ver con una Cataluña independiente (por mucho despilfarre de dinero que se haga en "embajadas" y visitas al extranjero).

>>130031803
I mean they were not the same as before the Fourth Crusade. We didn't destory them, it was the Venetians in the 1200s.

>>130031778
Tota la meva familia es independentista i tinc cognoms catalans però sóc un disident. Fins fa poc ho era. Al llarg de la historia han hagut molts catalans que han lluitat orgullosos sota la bandera d'espanya. A la División Azul per exemple

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>>130031927

>>130031927
paco relaja la raja, que no es pa tanto, deja ya de LARPear que das cosa

>>130031927
LA PASTILLA MANOLO

>>130031927
Recuerda;
El emblema de la Casa de Barcelona cuckeará para siempre el escudo del Reino de Paconia

>>130031929
A los maçones les interesa una Cataluña independiente porque son los boy scouts de la juderia organizada. Tienen interes en dividir españa para debilitarla ya que es uno de los paises con más porcentage de antisemitismo. Además quieren un estado 100% afín que seria Cataluña que rapidamente van a llenarla con la moronegrada debilitando igualmente a España y despejando la posibilidad de revolución nacional.

>>130032185
¿de que coño hablas tú de larpear? ¿qué mierda es esa? Niñato de mierda vete a comer pollas por ay.

>>130031927
vuelvete a foropaletos caramierda

>>130032489
Tu putísima madre catalán hediondo.

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>>130032355
Some people even argue the naval Spanish flag was inspired in the colours of Barcelona.

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Catalanes y gente del resto de España estais invitados en el nuevo foro por el etnoestado http://es.dalystormer.com somos contrasemitas.

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>>130032532
Your rage only makes me laugh paco

>>130032630
Corrijo : http://es.dailystormer.com

>>130032449
Paco por favor das risa insultando a anonimos por internet, eso es LARPear, que pareces un newfag, Paco vuelvete a Forocoches puto lerdo

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STOP USING THE SPANISH FLAG

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>>130012023
Daily Reminder: unless you're Basque you were fucked hard in the ass by Moorish (ARAB) cock for over 700 years

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>>130032449
>>130032532

You have to go back, forero.

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>>130032814

>>130032814
>Gets arrested

>>130031853
>Si el que vols es sobirania els de Madrid en tenen poca?
Ho sé però com he dit abans fins i tot en el pitxor dels casos una Catalunya independent serà millor que com ens trobem actualment.

Tindrem immigrants? Molt segurament però menys que ara perquè Espanya ens envia la majoria que arriba a les seves costes. Inclús amb la política d'immigració més liberal som un territori massa petit i el volum total d'immigrants que arribaria seria menor.
Dependrem dels banquers jueus? Segur però ara depenem dels espanyols que a la vegada depenen dels banquers jueus.
Continuarà la propaganda multicultural? Igual com passa ara.

Dins d'Espanya estem en una situació tant dolenta que passi el que passi un cop aconseguim la independència no pot ser pitxor que ara. La batalla real serà implementar polítiques nacionalistes i no caure en el poder dels globalistes.

>>130032532
independentistas>>>>tu, soy leones pero les prefiero a ellos a compartir pais con basura como tu

UNIOS AL DISCORD DE /ESP/ (ESPAÑA GENERAL)
JOIN THE /ESP/ DISCORD
discord gg/VP5fkkq
discord gg/VP5fkkq
discord gg/VP5fkkq
discord gg/VP5fkkq
Add the dot before gg

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>>130032067
Half of them are niggers.
Really makes you think.

>>130032847
>700 years in catalonia

burger education

>>130032731
jajajaj larpear, jajajaj newfag...

vete por ahí puto ignorante, estúpido

>>130033119
Pues vete con ellos puto maricón de mierda. Que casualidad que el puto maricón de ZP era de donde tú eres también.

>>130013848
>"""""""we"""""""
well memed my fellow wahabbi

>>130032847
Or Asturian/Leonese or Galician. Also my town belongs to the green zone.

>>130014096
(((spain))) does have a lot of nigger muslims

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>>130033244
para ignorante y estúpido ya te tenemos a ti, ahora tira de vuelta al agujero cancerígeno de normies que es Forocoches Manolo

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>>130031102
>portugal was once spanish we surely can win you cucks
> cucks

>>130033026
Perqué m'entenguis els jueus han posat molts d'esforços en que Catalunya es divideixi d'Espanya. Permetrán que sigui rica com Alemanya no ho dubtis, però si confies amb ajuda estrangera sense fer càs al que va dir Hitler en el seu discurs de 1933 al sportpalast el 10 de Febrer, ens seguirà arribant immigració de remplaçament. Els politics porten temps posicionant-se tots a fabor de la invasió, serà un infern tercemundista ric. Si vols asixò ves a viure a Alemanya que allà tampoco són Catalans. Si el que vols es fer mal a la gent d'espanya jo no ho vull.

English pls

>>130033310
que pena da la gente acomplejada. dale saludos a la cerda de tu madre de mi parte

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>>130033244
>>130033310

>>130033633
>seguirà arribant immigració de remplaçament.
I com pretens aturar-la dins Espanya?

>>130032535

The official story I have heard is that it was chosen amongst many others designed by different people. Like if it was "random".

It is too obvious that there must have been an influence. It is the usual manipulation/omission for whatever stupid nationalistic reasons.

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>>130033230
and typical Republifag to never travel outside of the U.S. because hey Vegas has everything right? Go to Catalonia and tell me those fuckers aren't descendents of mudslimes? Fucking dumbasses the whole lot of (YOU)s

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>>130033687
just planing the "pogromo" and chill

>>130033157

kek

Halal Moordrid!! Halal Moordrid...

>>130033787
es.dailystormer.com
el propiertari es un líder amb potencia i el fundador del canal de menud judiada en poc temps ens començarem a organitzar per visibilitzar-nos politicament.

>>130033589
>Forocoches
Nunca he tenido cuenta en forocoches tonto del culo. Y el único normie aquí eres tú echándo a la gente como si te pensaras que eres un moderador o algo.

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>>130033612
see pic, your PM a socialist who couldn’t be more brown (is he a descendant from the famous Alberto Barbossa?). Portugal we should not fight, we should unite against the fucking UE which is trying to islamise the peninsula

>>130034152
Si diuen que el PP es feixista imagina que us diran a vosaltres. Si falla l'independència ja m'uniré a vosaltres.

>>130033706
Si prefieres a los independentistas sobre alguien que defiende a España ya te puedes ir a tomar por culo con tus ideas y todo junto. Si en este punto de la historia todavía no te has dado cuenta de lo que realmente es todo el circo de la independencia y piensas que son unos respetables demócratas y que ellos son más demócratas que el resto de españoles es que eres un niñato que no sabe de lo que está hablando.

>>130033633
>els jueus han posat molts d'esforços en que Catalunya es divideixi d'Espanya.
Però si Espanya ja està sota el seu control, no té sentit dividir un país tan lleial.

El que és innegable és que estar units amb Espanya ha resultat en que ens convertim en una minoria al nostre propi país. Van ser els jueus qui van enviar milions d'andalusos cap aquí? Perquè tenim el major nombre d'immigrants de totes les comunitats (sobretot de moros) si suposadament pertànyer a Espanya ens ha d'evitar això?

Està clar que tant els espanyols com els jueus ens estan donant pel cul. Almenys amb la independència ens lliurerem d'un d'ells.

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>>130033853
kys mongrel, it's a proven fact that the moors didn't have a significant impact on iberian genetics

>people are swarthier in the soutuh
whoah, who would have thought

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>tfw Northern Castillian
>Everyone blames us for everything while Burgos literally the pinnacle of civilization
>tfw living better than 90% of Spaniards in this board
>Highest IQ in the entire Peninsula
Kek. Kingdom of Castile when?

>>130027342
>when they're only 25% of the population but control 40% of the country

>>130034164
>echar
>decirle que me da risa su autistic screeching típico de fororcoches
Paco deja de ser tan autista y deja de LARPear tanto, estas en un jodido thread anónimo amenazando a otros anons como un retarded cuando el jodido Mariano Rajoy quiere que España sea musulmana (véase que ahora se estudiara el islam en las escuelas publicas, véase que contemplan incluir el ramadan en el calendario de fiestas)

>>130034347
He's a pooinloo

>>130034416
L'indepndencia ja està pactada el que fallarà es Catalunya com a nació si es divideix d'España que en cap cas será independencia real sinó cumplir a interesos alients de destruir España, m'ha costat molt veure que l'independentisme no és la solució a que les motius econòmics per la "independ'encia" si són bons. salut.

>>130021813
That's pointless and you're retarded

>>130034461
És leial ara igual que ho era durant el govern republicà abans del franquisme. Espero que ara hagis entès la meva visió.

>>130034461
Estàn adobant el terreny per una Catalunya kosher

>>130034461

És una perspectiva bastant interessant. És ben cert, que Espanya no ens defèn pas de les malifetes dels mundialistes.

Fins i tot es podria dir que ens han escollit com l'abocador on canalitzar totes les misèries que el mundialisme produeix.

>>130034451
no defiendo a los independentistas para mi son gente egoista sin vision de pasado pero sobre todo sin vision de futuro, pero tu eres exactamente lo mismo solo que del otro lado de la valla. muchos catalanes ya han despertado al lavado de cerebro que se les esta haciendo y cada vez se posicionan mas fuerte como unionistas.

Deixeu-vos the fer palles amb conspiracions jueves

>>130035236
t. Moises del Pinar Cohn

>>130028321
>>130027919
What is the point of your posts

>>130028478
Jefferson is California's version of the CSA you retard, he's the opposite of a beaner

>>130029026
>USA is basically equivalent to NATO
>but the USA totally needed a war to justify NATO's existence

Your country borders on being third world you imbecile, you are irrelevant to NATO you pseudo-communist faggot who gave up all his colonies and then imported mulattoes anyway

>>130034461
100% d'acord

>>130034722
¿Cuánto tiempo llevas posteando aquí? Me parece que no sabes muy bien donde estás. Aquí puedo decir lo que me salga de la polla. Si te sientes amenazado por alguien que escribe aquí mejor que ni escribasaquí.

>>130034945
Si que entenc la teva visió però no es correspon amb la realitat. Espanya no es deslliurarà mai del control globalista i si la teva esperança és continuar formant part d'Espanya i resar que aixo passi et moriràs esperant.
Al menys amb la independència tenim la oportunitat de canviar les coses. En el pitxor dels casos continuem com ara, en el millor ens lliurem dels jueus.

>>130034461
L'actual govern no nacionalista Español prefereix enviar la moronegrada a catalunya potser per acontentar els seus votats. És igual qui rebi primer més moros, es una questió demogràfica a natalitat és molt més elevada en ells, auxò sumat al feminisme que te com objectiu destruir la familia com a forma més bàsica d'organització en l'estat nacionalista, el rapefugees welcome y la propaganda pro tolerancia i mestissatge a la MTV i TV3 que anirà amb augment en cas d'independencia. Almenys serà un país ric deies

>>130035490
aqui aqui aqui aqui
kys

>>130035235
>pero tu eres exactamente lo mismo solo que del otro lado de la valla
Ahí lo tienes, tu equidistancia entre unos tios que quieren destruir España y los que quieren defenderla. Aclárate. No se puede estar en todos los bandos.

>>130035542
És el que jo penso, pitjor ja no ens pot anar.

>>130035235
Soy exindependentista Como unionistas siempre que sea para hacer un estado etnonacionalista y un pogromo e invadir Portugal. Aqui nos organizamos camarada es.dailystormer.com

>>130035490
uiiiii temblando estoy, mira me la suda lo que hagas pero ese LARPing da vergüenza

>>130035235
Este Astur-Leonés anon tiene razón, los catalanes no son gente mala y los respeto, además ellos podrían hasta arreglar este país como intentó hacer Miguel Primo de Rivera. Aunque me toca un poco de que nos culpen de todos sus males. La gente que directamente va a por la violencia son unos canis de mierda.
t. Burgos

I go to Barcelona every year - I like that city.

Good restaurants, many different places to go out, collection fo romanesque art of Museu Nacional d'Art de Catalunya, and the brothels.

Catalan language is beautiful.

I support Catalunya.

>>130035956
¿de qué hablas de temblar ahora?

Madre mía tu bandera lo dice todo. Aclárate xDDD

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TV3

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>>130036072
>XD

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>>130034722

>>130035712
equidistante poco, yo me siento leones y español y lo tengo muy claro, si manaña se hace un referendum en cataluña con una participacion del 99% y sale el si a la independencia con un 80% que vas a hacer, tener a millones de personas en un proyecto comun que odian? eso es inviable.

claro que prefiero que españa siga unida y que cataluña no se convierta en una portugal de la que no sabemos nada aparte de que sale en gris en la prevision del tiempo, a mi me gustan las diferentes culturas del pais y saber un poco de cada una, de la gallega, la catalana, la castellana, la andaluza, la valenciana, etc he viajado mucho para saber la grandeza de este terruño.

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Arriba España!

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>>130029157

my greatest dream

>>130036016
Tell me more about those brothels.

Also pic related :)

>>130036183
I qualsevol altra cadena de televisió.

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>>130036072
>tu bandera lo dice todo
no lo único que dice (y créeme que estoy bien seguro de ello) es que me van las pollas y los hombres y dudo que tu tengas algo que valga la pena o seas muy macho, seras como el commie que hace los communist general o asi, solamente he dicho que das risa con tu LARPing y la das, ahora si quieres sigue dándome KEKs o tira a tomar a mi me la trae

>>130012023
you people are disgusting. My parents bought a villa in Catalonia and all they got was shit from the locals, they took their neighbours to court over boundary issues and the JUDGE had the same surname as the people my parents were in contention with about the land. They lost the case despite proving that the land was theirs.

CORRUPT FUCKERS, you'll never leave Spain, you are SHIT TIER EUROPEANS, you speak partly FRENCH ffs

**breathes in**
AHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHA

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>>130029157

>>130036515
>seras como el commie que hace los communist general
Ese aún existe?

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>>130036513
Molt cert.

España es una e indivisible. Fuck off OP

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>>130036330

>>130036432
>yo me siento leones y español y lo tengo muy claro, si manaña se hace un referendum en cataluña con una participacion del 99% y sale el si a la independencia con un 80% que vas a hacer, tener a millones de personas en un proyecto comun que odian?


No puede haber dicho referendum porque es ilegal pero ya veo que eres muy demócrata. ¿Me puedes decir quién le ha metido el tema de la independencia a la gente en la cabeza?

>>130036690
quien crees sino que hace los commies general?