You stole the land from aboriginal people anyway

>>129948486
Why do you need an argument? That image completely justifies everyone who is wary of foreigners.

>>129948486
took over the land just to hand it over to mexicans and chinese

gotta give it to the jews, they neutered us good

Come and take it you alcoholic.

WHITE POWR

>>129948486
>SPLENDID!
I can't imagine an injun saying that word just the thought makes laugh.

>>129948700
because the majority of white people here actually believe that we need to embrace mass immigration and diversity to somehow make up for it, which is wrong

How about: No one has been discussing immigration. People immigrate to the United States every day.

The issue is ILLEGAL immigration. Anyone who doesn't understand that is a pea brained fuckwit.

Shame if only they had effective border control.

Oh right, shiny beads.

Japs conquered their land from their natives too yet no sane person is trying to genocide them

>>129948486
>We need a good counter to this
Colonisation isn't immigration

fuck off

>>129948486
The Indians were not cohesive people. There were numerous tribes which fought and slaughtered each other for land.The Europeans came to America. Not even as ruthless as some Indian tribes, they subjugated the landmass. It's only bad when someone of another race, whites in particular, does it successfully.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K84c7NlZzno

>>129948486
I can't control what my ancestors did, but I can change the future for the better.

>>129948926
more legal immigrants just means more democrats in office and further erosion of old american culture

>>129948486
>We need a good counter to this
*We conquered the continent

>>129948486

okay we leave after all the illegal mexicans do.

>>129948486
Ahem....
>takes very deep breath
BEANS AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>129948486
My family has been on this land for hundreds of years, why the fuck would I go anywhere?

>>129948920
Just call them cucks and cowards and tell them to take their own side. You don't owe other peoples anything, but you owe your descendents a future.

>>129948486
>We didn't come as immigrants, we came as conquerors
>Civilizations rise and fall
>They sold us the land for beads, so it became ours
>Never, because I am a legal citizen of the US.

Take your pick

>>129948486
I didn't steal anything.

Furthermore, to address the point made in the image: I was born here.

>>129949474
if all you are concerned about is paperwork, then just give the illegals amnesty, problem solved

you guys who focus on naturalization law don't realize that wanting to increase legal immigration levels just means handing the country over to the chinese, because they are now our largest source of migrants

>>129948486
It's time to redefine what it means to be a native american

>>129948486
It was a couple million people(probably 3-5 million at its peak in the US and Canada combined) who mostly had no understanding of what property rights meant, so I guess 350 million people living in modern conditions should've given that up so a couple million can roam around like savages today. A bunch of nomads just can't wonder around and claim everywhere they wandered is theirs. They were also in perpetual warfare with each other and the idea of Indians under one unified banner is hilariously wrong. Numerous tribes sided with whites against other tribes when it was beneficial to them.

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>>129948486
I honestly never could be called a "bigot" until I actually bothered to read about injuns and spoke to most young injuns of gen Y and Z.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7jLeBWMA0U

The new age ones can fuck off.

First of all Canadian and U.S history are vastly different. So cringe when Canadians don't seem to know their own history and just lump it in with the U.S....jesus. I feel like these " Canadians " aren't even white or must be immigrants because why else can they be so ignorant?

First of all the " Indian Wars "did not take place in Canada. In fact while that was taking place, Canada would actually invite and allow northern natives to refugee into Canada to avoid American authorities.

An example of this is when Sitting Bull defeated general Custers cavalry division- Sitting Bull was allowed into Canada and even hailed as a heroic.

So you have to come to the understanding that Canada treated the natives- and everyone quite frankly - much better.

>>129948920
most the initial land settled was gotten by lawful and peaceful means. indians can go fuck themselves.

>>129948486

The European settlers weren't immigrants, though. That would imply they lived in Native American towns, lived under their laws, and used their healthcare. The Europeans created their own towns and established their own laws. Calling them "immigrants" is descriptively inaccurate.

>>129949591
Comment rejected. A foreigner can say the same thing. " muh parents hopped the borders and had me here, I was born here! "

>>129948486
>when do you leave
When you return the beads

>>129948486
Also a majority of the times the first contact with indians turned sour the Indians initiated it. Our first successful colony, Jamestown, dealt with the Powhaten tribe(this is where pocahantos comes from) and by most accounts the powhaten ambushed them first. The revisionist history on the "peaceful" Indians is astoundingly wrong. They were called savages for a reason.

>>129948486
Why do you need to justify conquering land? You some kind of pussy?

We didn't immigrate here you fucking Indians, we invaded and conquered your lands. Get the fuck over it and be happy with the reservations, welfare, and knowledge that we didn't completely eradicate your people. It's not like anyone is keeping you from living in tents and hunting buffalo and ingesting hallucinogens all day in modern times, your tradition hasn't been stolen. Take solace in that and fuck yourself.

>>129949948

Considering their propensity for rape and molestation, they literally do fuck themselves...

But then again, White Devil made them like that.

>>129950051
if we were in better times, the foreigners would've been shot at the fence and that discussion wouldn't even be taking place.

We're against illegal immigration. If you have the strength and the guts for open conquest, then come get some.

>>129948486
Kek! We don't need to counter shit. What're this boozed up gamblers going to do? Take back an acre of land?

>>129948486
I have been wondering if there were native cucks. Did they have a similar #not all white and shit like that?

>>129949781
I wish we did not miss their ancestors.

>>129950560
It's about time America reembraced the notion of conquest and set out on a global campaign.

>>129949916
Yeah Canucks have always been cucks. Thanks for taking some of those niggers and redskins off our hands, I guess. Maybe you can strike up a deal with our illegals that are worried about getting deported.

We didn't steal shit, we genocided those teepee niggers. Sounds like a pretty good argument for not allowing it to happen to us.

>>129950880
America being the 130~ million white people or the 300+ million mulatto jew horde?

>>129948486
It's a strawman argument. They misrepresent the argument as it being against immigration when the argument was to enforce existing laws against illegal immigration.

American Indians didn't have a recognized government. They weren't a sovereign nation. They were disassociated tribes that fought between one another. And they didn't have laws against illegal immigration or any recognized laws whatsoever within the new world.

>>129948700
Basically this. If liberal retards think this somehow justifies further giving the land away to foreign invaders they are irredeemably retarded and there's really no point in arguing.

>>129948486
Look at the subhuman cranial capacity on that Injun. They are lucky we didn't just kill them all.

>>129948486
How does flooding your country with MORE IMMIGRANTS help the natives?

Also, it's not even an "argument." It's a call for self-flagellation. Self-flagellation is a stupid moral philosophy.

>>129948920
I have an idea, let's all mass migrate to India and fuck them up with white people who poo in the loo.
Sure there are billions of them and fewer of us but if we concentrate in some small town, they'll revolt and we'll lol.

>>129948486
It's a retarded strawman attempt at seeming clever, not even deserving of a counter argument

>>129948926
>We don't care about being replaced by shitskins
>As long as they replace us in accordance with LAW

>>129948486

Could argue something in the line of

>"Well, if it was so terrible the first time it happened we should probably not do the same thing again"

>>129948486
He has to leave because he immigrated here first.

>>129948486

Immigration =/= invasion

They lost, we won.

>>129950578
>>129950578
You're missing the point. Fucked up leftist mentality on that leads to what he's saying here >>129948920

>>129948486
If someone can recognise that Europeans moving onto other peoples lands resulted in the deaths of their society and culture, but then simultaneously say that we need more immigration from cultures that do not meld with ours, than there is no point in arguing, because they are delusional.

>>129951548
they want western culture to die

>>129951420
WE

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>>129948486

It's not our fault the entire Indian race was fatally susceptible to small pox.

>>129950964
America being the idea's, values, and morals that the heart of this nation represent. I recognize men based on their virtue, not their skin color. While the majority of blacks may not be compatible with our way of life, there are also a minority of whites that I would trade for those minority of blacks that hold our standards.

I want the strong, virtuous, righteous people of America, and I want their will imposed on those weaker and of lesser morals than them, to bring them up to our level, instead of this constant degradation downwards to make everyone feel nice and not challenge anyone.

We need the strong to conquer the world, so that we can have a strong world and not allow the weak to change it for their benefit, but to make them live in our world and grow strong as well. Or die, whichever.

>>129951650
Exactly, which is why if you do want to argue with someone who believes that, don't make it about anything but their deep rooted hatred for Western culture. Don't try and frame it so they can hide their real motive, make them expose their beliefs fully. When they have to defend their hatred for the West they'll cave.

>>129951007
Yeps.

Everyone gets cucked once in a while, we got cucked by the Saxons, Roman, Vikings, Normans.

Do you see us chimping out?

No, because we knew what came next was better. Niggers think they were the only ones who suffered, have you any idea how brutal life was living in the dark ages/medieval Europe? There was no law, the worst things went on, but the moment we hear that some niggers got sold fur some beads... WOW! We must be forever punished lol, grow up, fuck sake, be proud you were only picked becuase you were the best at the job and could stand the Caribbean heat, and you got an Island out of it, so don't stay mad.

>>129948486
Tell people we had to take their land so we could be strong enough to fight the Nazis.

That'll throw the assholes for a loop.

>>129948486
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>>129948486
It's very simple. These 'indians' migrated via the Aleutian Islands 30k year ago, and it's backed-up by phrenology (DNA,etc).

Then they did nothing but fight amongst other tribes for 30k years. When the white man came, they sold their land for shiny beads.

Pro-tip, nobody in the World had any knowledge about Germs when the blankets were traded to the Indian.

>>129951831
>I recognize individualism before the sanctity of the collective/race
>literally the core mentality of racial genocide

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>>129951831
those ideas won't matter much if we become mexico

the darker races are very base in their judgement, they don't care about lockean philosophies or constitutional conservatism. they put the tribe above all else. even the smart negroes do this. obama was by no means a "nigger", he was probably the most westernized black man you could've had as president. yet he didn't care much for your "virtues" and consistently put his own first.

east asians are mostly the same, see the strong nationalism of the chinese and japanese. they don't care about what some british guy said 400 years, they care about the blood. and at the end of the day, they are winning, while you lose.

>>129951403
Exactly, these pencil necks need to be reminded that the sword is mightier than the pen.

Immigration is just a legal way of saying "invading". Sure, some could assimilate and help our country, but far from a solid minority, let alone the majority of immigrants. The rest are just invading to take advantage of the fruits of our ancestors labor/work in this land.

>>129948486
your people are all dead, or just living the life in a casino, drinking.....

Also, we didn't steal it. We're paying rent. How many of the native lowlifes would give up their million dollar annual checks and other benefits for having to work themselves?

>>129952174
once those non-whites are the majority, the country ceases to be what it was.

even good, smart asians for the most part retain their collectivist culture. even the half breed eurasians tend to do this, which shows this is quite deep in the eastern mindset. strong cultures beat weak cultures which is why a negro can riot in the streets all day while liberal and conservative whites argue about who can pander to minorities more.

>>129948486
purchased

>>129948486
Not everything can be explained in a sentence anon. People who ask questions and don't want the answer get the gas too.

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The whole argument is stupid.

>>129952037
Just because you dont know about germs doesnt mean you dont know you get sick from being around another sick person.

>>129952037
>Pro-tip, nobody in the World had any knowledge about Germs when the blankets were traded to the Indian.
Pro-tip, nobody in the World had any knowledge about Germs when the blankets were traded to the Indian.

Yeps, wasnt till the late 19th century we uncucked ourselves from the microscopic jew

>>129949093
they did huh?

What a stupid argument. Native Americans didn't own the land. They weren't civilized or unified. Thank God smarter people came and put it to good use.

>>129952364
The only benefit natives get is free dental. At least here in Canada. Free dental and 5 bucks a year.

>>129948486
Just be super condescending and smug and tell them to read up on history, just like they do.

The "more advanced civilization making contact with less advanced civilization and dominating them" thing has been the RULE throughout history, not an exception to the rule. We literally would be extinct if that were not the case. The concept has been around longer than recorded history, it wasn't invented by white people in the 1600s.

>>129952650
My roommate gets good money from the government. He's 50% native

>>129948486
Land conquered isn't stolen, it's ours by right of conquest. They weren't strong enough to repel European settlers, therefore the land is no longer theirs.

It's debatable even to suggest the natives had any concept of land ownership. They were nomads after all, and often moved camps every season based solely off following food supplies.

>>129952487

Underrated

Tell ya what. We'll leave, take everything we've built with us, and then nuke the rest. You end up just like every other shitskin nation out there.

After the first couple of tribal wars, your be on an orange dhingy headed for the Whiteman's land hoping for some gibs.

>>129949781
WHY DO YOU ALL HAVE THIS ACCENT

WHY DO NONE OF YOU SPEAK LIKE AN AMERICAN/CANADIAN

>>129952037
>>129952498

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/8/9/01-0536_article

>>129952047
Not sure what you're getting at here.

>>129952128
I agree, it is tribal at its base, which is why we need people uniting as an American tribe. Put America before the world. I wonder how muslims/blacks/hispanics living in America would feel about an American global campaign? Moment of truth for our nation, and those that want to keep their ancestral land sovereign from America need to leave and fight for it, not stay in America and try to subvert us with the pen and punishing Americans for wanting a better America, while they just use America to better their own land.

What do we do then? Other than just conquer Mexico before we become it, and conquer the middle east before we become that as well. The only thing that really comes to mind is to conquer these people and impose our way of life on them, at the consequence of death. Give it 3-4 generations and you'd probably have a decent ass, bleached/tan ethnic looking society that can finally work as one, following one common goal: Space conquest.

>>129952929
It's put on to make them sound more authentic.

>>129952978
>https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/8/9/01-0536_article
>theory

>>129948486
2 civs came head to head, and shocker, the much more developed one won.

>>129952834
but...why

>>129948486
The Right of Conquest needs no excuses or counters. Stand up and be strong you cowardly fucks and take what is rightfully yours.

>>129953089
why aren't those tan societies going to space already? this idea that mixing with mestizos and lowering our IQ as a result is going to lead to a better future is nonsense. did it work in any of the latin nations? those spaniards "bleached" just like you said, and yet those nations don't seem to measure up to the success of the US

>>129953186
>>129952978
Aye, even in Roman times they knew rotten meat contained nasties, that's why they launched dead cattle in the catapult when sieging a well defended fort or castle.
happened in the crusades too

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whites came to unsettled land. red niggers attacked us first. we fought back. they lost. there was no country before whites created america. unsettled land. put a boat in the ocean. you don't own the ocean. doesn't matter if they were here first.

>>129952834
That's very vague- it always is when it comes to bringing up " gibs " natives get.
I've only ever gotten free dental, 5$ a year from a 200 year old treaty that didn't account for inflation, and free medication * healthcare in Canada is free but medication is not, except for us *
These are significant benefits- yes. But free college/uni or just over all " free money " is not true. It simply wouldn't make sense to see all the homeless native people around if it was.

>>129953301
Same reason the native Malaysians get freebes to, guilt.

>>129948486
nah, they were a bunch of savages with no borders or concept of owning land, we didnt steal it because it was never theres

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>>129952162
This

>buffalo niggers sell out their land and people for shiney beads
really makes you think

>>129953301
Because they still manipulate the state to feel guilty about what had been done a couple hundred years ago, and the state would rather just pay them instead of hearing them bitch about it in the news for several years before they eventually get tired of it and realize their attempts are going nowhere and they go and get regular jobs or start businesses and contribute like the rest of society.

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>>129948486
Too bad white men are greater warriors and we kicked your asses across the entire continent.
>go fucking cry more redskins
>tfw cucks bitch about unfairness in war because they are on the losing side

>>129952162
Hah, deal with it liberal!

>>129948486
In Mass. Indians saved starving whites to get shoved off.
This treachery is celebrated every year on Thanksgiving.
There is no argument for their displacement or yours, simpleton.
Your kind are scum and will receive no mercy.

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>>129948486
>Say the following, but substitute "Canada" and a picture of your founder(s)

"This isn't the Cherokee Nation, it's the United States of America. Would you mind pointing out any Natives I might've missed in this picture?
=))"

>They'll get butthurt and start kvetching
>You can leave the convo at this point,
>their response will likely turn most people who are silently viewing the exchange to your side
>this is the ultimate objective of internet fights
Remain calm, get them to chimp out and you've won. If you MUST argue further say something along the lines of:

"Conquering is not the same thing as 'immigrating'. The natives conquered opposing tribes for centuries before we boated over, we just happened to be very good at it. We never became citizens of the Iriquos Confederacy, so they have no authority whatsoever to deny us 'immigrating'. We won the land by right of conquest. Don't hate the player, hate the game."

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>>129948486
this
make trees PC and they cant win

>>129948486
They stole it from Solutreans first, so fuck off

>>129953736
Canada to natives: I will trade you actual items that have value for land rights and in return you won't be agitated to attack us and we won't have a part of history known as the Indian wars

*U.S.A screechs in the background holding beads* why are they agitated!? savages!!!!!

>>129948486

Jared Taylor has a good comeback to this. Simply point out the hypocrisy

>displacement of American india is horrific
>displacement of American whites is a progressive thing

>>129948486
People like to generalize the Native Americans a lot but they were made up of many different cultures and states that would frequently go to war, mix with one another, steal territory, etc. in just the same way these things have occurred in any other region of the world. The image of Native Americans as peaceful spiritual people is just the old Noble Savage argument. We romanticize them but in reality they were just as violent as any other civilization in general.

But of anything the biggest argument would be this: There were plenty of Native Americans that took sides in the wars of European peoples that took place in North America. If anything, the reason why Native Americans got so fucked over is that they didn't have the organization and state structures to kill all of the Europeans and put a stop to it right from the beginning. If there's anything to learn from the story it's to not make that same mistake and see yourself wiped from the Earth in a couple hundred years

Huge difference between immigrating and conquering to the point of genocide. Fuck them, Americas were conquered and the should be happy they still get gibs. Deport them back to Asia I say.

titties

>>129948486
>We need a good counter to this, I probably come up against this very argument on social media at least a few times every week.
A wagon burner using technology his inferior race would never have invented in a million years to tell whites to go...but they want to keep the technology.

It doesn't work that way, chief.

>>129954467
>when you can tell its an aus poster even without the flag

>>129953519
>why aren't those tan societies going to space already?

probably because we're all focused on dumbass shit on this Earth like fucking Federal Reserve rates and still just learning how to live in society amongst one another. They don't have a common thing to unite under, it's constant tension against everyone else.

They sure don't! They are leagues below the US, I agree. Lowering our IQ as a result though I believe is not an inherit bad thing however. It's not as though there still won't be whites, asians, blacks, arabs, etc. White people won't stop breeding with whites just because where all one nation.

Also there need to be people to operate the drive-thru at our favorite fast food restaurants, people picking up litter in the streets, people who sweep the launchpad and keep the grass looking nice, people who contribute in the small ways. You need that as well as the people who are doing the actual science and innovation. Obviously this servant class is not as important as the latter, however it is needed. You can't just breed super genius people and expect the world to stay the same, you need Lords/servants. They would be servants.

>>129948486
>sell land for shiny rocks
>too retarded to ask for a better deal
>realize later how retarded you are
>???
>blame others and complain for hundreds of years

>>129953607

>$5 a year from a treaty that didn't count for inflation

Hahahaha are you serious? That's hilarious.

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>>129948486
If you believe that indigenous people have immutable rights to control immigration to their homelands then Aboriginal Europeans have a right to shut down immigration without being called racists, supremacists etc.

This is not what happens in left globalist the narrative because white genocide is real and underway and the narrative is designed to speed it along.

KYS

>Europeans verified as having settled East Coast of America for millennia
>Native tribes people constantly butchered each other for land and pussy for millennia
>Euro's butchered by Tribes people at some point in history in Americas
>Euros come back centuries later with an unknown vengeance
>Accidentally wipe out tribes people by coughing on them
>Remaining tribes people try and go to war with Euro's as is there millennia old tradition
>Lose
>Bitch about Euro's

>>129948926
No, the problem is MASS immigration

>>129954520
>A wagon burner using technology his inferior race would never have invented in a million years to tell whites to go...but they want to keep the technology.

except it's white people (liberals) using this argument

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>>129948486

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1y_0NfhF9c

This fucking thread again. Saged.

>>129954784
are you talking about reds or whites?

>>129948486
The Europeans who came to the Americas were settlers, not immigrants. This is because there was no nation to immigrate to, just a (relatively few) natives separated loosely into tribes. The concept of land ownership and nation states didn't even exist until Europeans brought it with them. Immigration can only occur when you have an actual country.

>>129948486
That pic triggers the amerishit

Property was established through common law by fencing homesteads. Indians were mainly nomadic river surfers that fought other tribes on a giant continent.

>>129948486
Immigration =/= Conquest

Conquest is eugenic, in order to conquer a people you have to be competent enough to organize an invasion and subdue them militarily. Immigration is dysgenic, it encourages people who have proven themselves inferior by building shitty countries to swamp the people who were able to build decent countries and making the target countries shittier.

>>129948486
>We need a counter argument that is NOT a 5000 word essay
I can do it in one word: Identity

>>129955582
No it doesn't. We don't give a single corn-filled shit about Injuns.

>>129948486
We didn't immigrate. We conquered your sorry ass, Live in our shadow.

>>129948486

The Native American story is probably the greatest example of why we probably shouldn't let a shitload of foreigners in. Why would you want to emulate that?

>>129948486
>their land

Yeah, that's why there were all those great cities the Indians built that white Europeans just plopped there asses into. Oh wait, Indians were semi-nomadic and there weren't any cities.

So how can Indians claim to own a piece of land when they periodically abandon it to go somewhere else?

A claim along these lines could be justified by Mexican Indians since they did build cities and Europeans did move into them. But since Mexicans ARE Indians, they can demand the return of land that they stole from themselves.

>>129948920

How are you "making up for" what happened to Native Americans by letting a bunch of terrorists in? How does that help Native Americans?

>>129950229
>It's not like anyone is keeping you from living in tents and hunting buffalo and ingesting hallucinogens all day in modern times
do you actually believe that? how retarded are you?

>>129949373
Because you are a family of thieves.

>>129948486
Also, you could how much land the Sioux, Apache, Commanche, and other war-like tribes stole from their neighbors before the "evil white man" got here.

>>129957237

Fought and won =/= thieving

>>129957442
*ask how much land

>>129951078
You don't get it. As long as you claim
-immigration should be stopped.

Then you have to defend

-colonization of new continents.

This means you have to
A-morally justify your immigration
B-morally justify stopping others immigration. It doesn't matter if the result of your immigration was catastrophic on local population because if it was you would be morally obliged to leave the places you colonized. You aren't leaving so you don't really believe immigration is bad.

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This is the refutation to the "but muh wretched refuse" crybabies:

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>>129948486
There is a very big difference between conquest and immigration...

>>129952499
Japs are just Chinese who genocided the Ainu

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>>129948486
>We need a counter argument

Trump already did that.

>>129957568
>morally justify your immigration
Why? Ancestries were evil and took America by force. Any who tries the same today are evil too.

>would be morally obliged to leave the places you colonized.
People are not responsible for crimes done by others. Real question how do we stop immigration crime here and now.

>>129948486
the counter argument is that we were not alive at that time so we couldn't have possibly done that

>>129958685

>>morally justify your immigration
>Why? Ancestries were evil and took America by force.

Then call them evil in textbooks as well and see what happens. Nations always believe that they are righteous.
>>would be morally obliged to leave the places you colonized.
>People are not responsible for crimes done by others. Real question how do we stop immigration crime here and now.

People are responsible to fix injustices they see in the world. Just as you are obliged to stop a murder so are you obliged to right the wrongs of the past.

>>129957481
By this logic I can gut a person and take their wallet and I rightly have won it.

>>129948486
Vikings were here before Naive Americans...
There were even people in America before that.
So all you really did was try to use your ignorance to fulfill an agenda and show how dumb you are.
You win.

>>129959174
You are alive now and our government is actively thieving.

>>129959488
You did if you don't get caught.

>>129948486
Yeah, and? Didn't we ruin their culture and lives and being about exactly what w'ere worried about now? Our destruction. Thanks for winning my argument for me; mass immigration is bad.

>>129948486
If white people have to leave US, Canada, Australia, etc, and go back to Europe, then white people get to expel nonwhites from Europe FOREVER.

Sounds like a deal to me.

>>129959698
So thieving = winning to anon.

>>129948486

Who did the Indians drive out when they came across the land bridge from Siberia hundreds of thousands years ago?

>>129959299
>Then call them evil in textbooks as well and see what happens.
Well that should be done. hprocay about our "righteous ancestries" is staggering.
Though BASED Russia every next regime condemns previous. BASED Russia lead the way of progressive.

>People are responsible to fix injustices they see in the world.
Yeah? Show me such law lol.

>Just as you are obliged to stop a murder
In 90% of countries intervening in the act of murder will lead to excessive self defense charge or even murder charge for those who try.

>>129948486
Oftentimes we actually traded alcohol/firearms/etc. in exchange for their land, actually. Being natives, they were stupid and agreed to these exchanges. Now they're mad because they got jewed

>>129960288
Legally purchased land accounts for less than 20% of North American landmass.

>>129959776
Pretty much this.

>>129960288
>in exchange for their land,
You can't trade something you don't posses. Natives had no any recognizable legal rights on that land.

>>129960151
We are not certain that all Native groups came from Siberia via the land bridge. Though we are certain that the groups collectively known to be Natives have been here before any other group.

yur gay

>>129948486
fuck off Abdullah, my ancestors made this nation by the sweat of their brow, and the will to overcome, every obstacle laid before them, including hostile natives. Don't worry about my history, you dirty camel fucker, go back where you came from, you candy ass faggots. Your ancestors stayed in the same spot for 6000 years, because they had not the wherewithal to turn the world in their favor. You're just jealous.

SHINY

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>>129960506
It is objectively true that the colonization of America was overall beneficial for the natives. They'd be living in the stone age still if it wasn't for Europe. Stop crying about your great great great great granddaddy while you're sipping on the latte that Europeans made possible

>>129960752
This is not true. The French, Spanish, Dutch, British, and eventually American governments all recognized the land title of Native peoples.

>>129948486
M8 if native Americans would deport me to my original and ancestral country, do you think I would fucking argue? People act like most people have a choice to leave the country, or like I can fucking go back in time and give the land back.
Fuck off, unless you wanna pay for my deportation.

>>129960972
You are mistaken that what you say is objectively true. Stop whining about going to school.

>>129948486
It's quite simple, when Europeans came to NA they invaded, not immigrated. The Natives lost a centuries long war, and so we got their land. Happens all the time in history.

>>129960972
>lel it's cool as fuck to slaughter most of a population and steal their land and property, because technology
>MUH WHITE GENOCIDE
Pick one

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>>129961158
>"what you say is false"
>provides literally no argument for his point of view

>>129948486
Stealing implies ownership. Checkmate.

>>129961225
This is unfortunately untrue. The majority of land confiscated was not taken in a declared act of war. Though, it was taken through violence nonetheless.

>>129948486
natives invaded, killed, and stole land from other tribes

>>129961011
They GRANTED land title to natives. And something that is GRANTED may be taken away by those who did that grant. What American government did. So legally natives had nothing by themselves.

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>>129961354
>equating risking life and limb to colonize a dangerous continent full of retarded jungle niggers to invading a prosperous and thriving land that's better than yours to begin with

>>129961381
I was actually remarking on a comment that casually asserted a false assertion with no evidence.

>>129960972
Objective truth doesn't exist.

>>129948486
Pioneers are not immigrants. Immigrants move from one country to another.

Pioneers go to where there is no country and create one.

>>129948486
They were stupid and allowed it. We're not.
Quit trying to be so fucking friendly. Survival isn't a fucking game.

>>129960055
No, getting away with it is winning

>>129961673
You are not correct. Treaties recognize Native communities as independent political organizations the same as the various states, or foreign nations.

>>129948486
The Indians killed each other for land and wealth. When the Europeans showed up they were just better at it.

>>129961354
This is found in the commerce clause of the US constitution as a fundamental recognition.

>>129961970
Treaties don't recognize native Americans right on US land beyond reservations.

>>129961953
So thieving without being noticed has virtue?

>>129962220
This is partly correct, but irrelevant. I was merely stating that Natives are recognized as having title, which you seem to agree with.

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>>129948486
People forget that responding to a stupid argument like that with "I won't give it the dignity of a response" is not only an option, it's sometimes the only correct answer.

>>129961460
The majority of land was unsettled. The majority of land today is unsettled. The European colonists just went to where there was no settlement of Indians and created a colony there.

No theft of land required.

>>129948486
how about "I didn't steal shit, I was born in 1996. I am not directly responsible for anything, suck my dick"

>>129948486

Jared Taylor already beat you


https://youtube.com/watch?v=K84c7NlZzno

>>129962670
This is incorrect. Natives lived on all terrains of North America. After contracts were signed, Europeans broke their treaties. You believe in contracts don't you?

If they had shared borders, language and culture, things would have went better for them. Learn from them, good and bad.

It was a long, painful struggle. How would they feel if we just said, "psych", we're just going to give it all away to some random foreigners now.

>>129962276
No one roots for a thief who gets caught.

>>129962670
Edit: America continues to break contracts. You believe that too, right?

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>>129951772

>>129963093
Do you romanticize thieves that are just too good?

>>129948486
They stole it from the people who inhabited it before them.

>http first nation leaves.

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>I've traveled to the farthest reaches of the universe
>I've wiped out whole civilizations
>I've conquered worlds
And the one truth I've found is that indians will always cry muh lands, the jews about their 6 gorillion, and blacks about muh slavery.

>>129962833
You pay taxes and legally owned Native land is being stolen today.

>>129957085
On their reservations they basically do do this all the time.

But sure, don't show me any proof, citations, hell even stories that are contrary and just ask me if im retarded..

cute.

>>129963372
Stop whining.

White people are not allowed to have pride in their collective or personal heritage, but ARE expected carry its burden collectively and personaly.

>>129948486
It's called right of conquest. At the sovereign-state level of competition, if you can't hold onto your property, the stronger man gets to take it from you. Sorry bitches. Next time learn to work iron, form an army and have a civilization, you damn dirty savages.

>>129963806
You are free to take pride.

>>129963372
and we have weak ass baby whites that don't realize the struggle their forefathers went through for it all and instead feel bad and try and lift those people above themselves, instead of telling them to shut the fuck up and get back to work.

Letting woman and minorities vote was probably the worst decision ever in the history of the world.

>>129948486
Look at statistics of colored people causing crime and that should explain everything

88

>>129963860
A sovereign state recognizes contracts, specifically land contracts. When a sovereign state breaks a contract it has consequences. You are describing a Hobbesian state of nature not Lockean land ownership. The vast majority of land was taken after the contracts were signed.

>>129948486
and its ours now, we can do with it as we please

>>129963881
Stop whining.

>>129948486
I live 20 ft next to a reservation. Im jealous because they have a big forest they can shoot guns in. I cant find anywhere in urbanite America. I hate gun ranges full of fat arrogant boomers. Really sucks.

>OP is such a faggot he thinks his ancestors immigrated here

>>129948905
fuck my sides

Sore losers.

>>129964212
Lol, call it what you want. The facts are the facts however, one weaker tribe got conquered by a stronger one. Fuck the contracts, fuck the paper, and fuck whatever you want to call it and whatever legalities were present at the time. The only thing that matters, is that they couldn't protect themselves enough and got their shit taken.

Sure, I could recognize a contract between you and I saying something or another, but what stops me from ripping it up and beating your ass anyway? Nothing, your pen and contracts can't save you if you're bitchmade.

>>129964310
So jelly.

>>129948486

Ok good. We'll all go back to europe which will in turn expel every single nigger and muslim and jews and all non whites back to their own lands. We never want to see another brown person or pay for their welfare or be victims of their crimes or hear their talking in our movie theaters or anywhere else ever ever again.

Deal?

Would absolutely take those terms. No backsies!

>>129963234
Doesn't everyone?

>>129964294
says the dude complaining that words scribbled in pen on paper doesnt mean anything substantial in this world.

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>>129964294
>23 posts by this ID
butthurt jungle nigger detected

>>129948486
No I didn't. Neither did my parents or their parents. No borders, right motherfucker?

>>129964653
yea it must cool. I have no problem with them. They are nice people generally

>>129952650
Fucking leaf...

>>129964598
Maybe make a meme about it. If you don't believe in contracts, that's fine. But that is irrelevant. My comments were directed toward those who thought Native land was taken solely through conquest. It wasn't. Rrreet.

>>129948486
Indians stole land and enslaved each other
There you go

>>129948486
u want to be the new indians?

>>129964821
I do not believe word written are meaningless.

>>129961354
>slaughter most of a population
Injuns mostly died of disease.

>>129964855
Nah, just thought I'd improve you.

>>129948486
yeah, give all this land to millions of degenerate drunks.

There wasn't a country. Just land and a few scattered tribes. You took the land. You built the country. They have less right to the country than you did to the land.

>>129964212
No. A sovereign-state has to protect its borders with violence and force. It has nothing to do with paperwork. Violence is the ultimate judge of who gets to keep the land resource. This has been the way of violence since the caveman. The strong take, the weak submit, and if the strong are generous enough, the weak get to keep their heads on their shoulders.

>>129948486
First in, first out.

they sold their land for shiny beads

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>>129948486
the aboriginals are fauna nothing more

leaf
sage

All peoples through time immortal have taken over other areas, enslaved the populations.

Its only bad when white people did it, and white people are the only ones who have to make reparations.

>>129965414
this swede gets it

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In my country the native population migrated from Asia to here and stayed for a few thousand years.
They didn't evolve here and have not been here millions of years. You could say that they homesteaded here and made the land a little better, and with that same logic, white boii homesteaded here and made it better too.

The same thing applies to the Americas and Canada as well.

They're getting plenty of it back from the degenerates who gamble their fortunes away at the red man's casinos.

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Jokes on you, my great-great-great-great-great grandmother was Choctaw.

>>129963041
This may be in the case with the Indian Removal Act, but its not with regard to the founding of the country.

americans = a nation of fleeing their misery poorfags of all races mixing together and stealing land from their REAL OWNERS AND LATER SLAUGHTERING THEM.

REAL KIKES are the americans.

>>129948486
might makes right

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>>129965853

>>129948486
They gave us land because they loved shiny things. Meme FAILED. Natives FAILED. You FAILED.

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>>129967335
that is just plain retarded. Typical burger

>>129948486
No, we took it by force as conquerors do.

It was the job of the natives to resist and defend their homeland. You should go ask them why they failed at that, if you can find one.

Gee, I wonder if a parallel can be drawn between the native Americans and Americans of today ...

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>>129948486
>You stole the land from aboriginal people anyway
Not according to discoveries made in 2012.French whites were in North America first by walking over the frozen Atlantic.Whites did this 6k-10k before those Siberian barbarians crossed into North America.
The Indians stole the land from whites.We only reclaimed what was once our's.
>inb4 citation needed
Not going spoon feed.Look it up yourself.

>>129948486
Weren't "Native Americans" just immigrants too? Really makes you think.

>>129948486
Europeans came to America before the Asians and possibly made it as far as Polynesia. Then the "indians" genocided us and stole our land and technology.

>Ice Age Columbus - Who Were The First Americans
https://youtu.be/kNTXCMYjwEk

>>129951343
Fellow leaf, this is a splendid idea

>>129948486
How about the simple fact that they fought wars and lost/won them the same as everyone. They even allied with us against some of their own people at times. I think they participated in the age of imperialism like everyone else. The only difference being they were on the loosing side..... tldr Get Over It

>>129948486
colonization =/= immigration

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>>129968806
>pic
LUL, why are murricans so fucking dense?
Do u also belive in flat earth?

>>129969461
Why are you being a prick that can't take 2 seconds to look it up,and see that it's the truth.Leave flat earth out this.I fucking hate flat earthers.They're retards.
Stop being dense,and go read on the findings that prove the claim.

>HuRR DURR MURICAN DENSE!I'M EUROPEAN WHICH MAKES ME SUPERIOR!I WON'T BOTHER TO READ OR LOOK UP THE TOPIC SO I'LL TALK OUT OF ASS AND BRING UP FLAR ERF,YEAH THAT'LL GET THAT DUMB MURICAN!
That's you.That's how you 'sound'.Either gleefully piss off or do some damn reading.

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>>129948486

>We need a good counter to this,

Suggest an immigration policy similar to the natives then: attack every settlement, steal off the immigrants and murder them whenever you can. Also: NO BENEFITS OR CITIZENSHIP FOR NEWCOMERS. AND NO MERCY TO THOSE WHO CANNOT DEFEND THEMSELVES.

If we had such a policy, there would be no need for immigration debate because none of them would want to fucking North America was worse, and far more dangerous than the contemporary war torn ME.

>>129970134
>If we had such a policy, there would be no need for immigration debate because none of them would want to fucking come because New World Age North America was worse, and far more dangerous than the contemporary war torn Middle East.

>>129969461
KIkes don't want the truth out because it spoils their little guilt-trip.

>Solutreans:First Americans:The Ice-Age Discovery of the Americas: Constructing an Iberian Solution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY01NjND1jc

The ADL even listed a book, White Apocalypse by Kyle Bristow, as "hate fiction" for espousing the Solutrean hypothesis.

Polynesia is rightful European clay
>The Kon-Tiki expedition was a 1947 journey by raft across the Pacific Ocean from South America to the Polynesian islands, led by Norwegian explorer and writer Thor Heyerdahl.

>Heyerdahl believed that people from South America could have settled Polynesia in pre-Columbian times. His aim in mounting the Kon-Tiki expedition was to show, by using only the materials and technologies available to those people at the time, that there were no technical reasons to prevent them from having done so. Although the expedition carried some modern equipment, such as a radio, watches, charts, sextant, and metal knives, Heyerdahl argued they were incidental to the purpose of proving that the raft itself could make the journey.

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Sorry Cheif. Finders keepers.

Don't be am Indian giver.

>>129948486

>aboriginal
>from Asia

stupid fuck

>>129948486
The indians didn't build a wall or deport their invaders

>>129948486
The counter is. So what?

>>129948486
"So, there's nothing wrong with more immigration? How'd that work out for the Native Americans?"

>>129955243
> Drink the fire water
> Become an alcoholic
> Blame the Euros

>>129948486
Natives had no immigration laws and didnt prevent it...look what happened to them. Lets not repeat their mistake!

>>129970134
they would have to arrive both armed to the teeth and connected to a support network within your country, where are you going with this, you edgy 12 yr old?

I did? I personally was involved in something that happened before I was born? Wow if they have Olympics for mental gymnastics, you should enter.

Colonists=/=immigrants

>>129948486
It's a great argument against immigration and multiculturalism. It stands on it's own merit. It puts the impetus on leftist scum.

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Look colonization happened.

Europeans came over and changed everything.

Now people are worried about the vanishing Europeans.

With out productive, civilized Europeans, north America will fall to ruin.

>I'm talking about European HONEY BEE colonies, of course.

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OP, go back to 9gag.

>>129971429

>they would have to arrive both armed to the teeth and connected to a support network within your country,

you mean ISIS er, I mean CAIR?

Where I'm going with this is that natives routinely attacked settlements full stop and openly and violently resisted immigration on a large scale- this makes OPs meme a poor analogy.

I know this, because I'm part native. I also oppose mass immigration and the wage depression and cultural conflict that results (see settler history for the latter).

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Literally every single civilized country has done this. Conquered land, committed atrocities, oppressed people etc. Yet just because the US is a relatively new country and is the most dominant country to ever exist means we have to constantly listen to this shit.

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>>129971649
Honey bees are non native to America and we're brought over by the pilgrims.

Image America with out European honey bee colonization.

>>129948486
Ancient white Vikings actually settled the East Coast before the injuns got there and massacred them.

Just reverse the left's victim complex against them and go full "we wuz Viking setllerz n shieet, but da red man shoa'd us."

I'm 15%</> Mohegan, does that mean only one limb gets to stay?

We wuz chiefs and shiit..

>>129971126
Lesson learned.

>>129948486
It was a conquest desu.

>>129972389

Yeah I see this dumb argument all the time, and all I can think is, if my great grand pappy didn't climb into the hull of some rat infested boat and cross the ocean to eke out a living as a fisherman and marry a native woman (who incidentally was the last full blood born of her tribe) I wouldn't even exist, and given the her tribe's propensity for crime for and petty theft and getting hunted down and caught combined with their lack of diplomacy regarding the white man, she might never have married at all, and her line would just die out - and I like living. So fuck them, the full blood natives, and the full blood whites who make these shitty arguments.

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>>129972087
But that bit is true.

Also, there was a lot more assimilation than they ever care to admit.
>pic related: Cherokee chief in 1830s