Why do most millenials hate capitalism?

>>129924953
Only a rich minority will ever support capitalism. The rest is made up of idiots who don't see their exploitation and communists.

In the Capitalist system there are losers and winners, and they see themselves as losers. Communism promises they'll get their needs met.

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>>129925319
Define "exploited"

>>129925319
How do you hope to achieve communism?

>>129925818
Its the fact that workers are first of all forced to work (or they can starve/freeze to death) and then they don't get paid the full value of their work.

>>129926284
I advocate for global revolution, but in the past decade the collapse of capitalism seems more and more likely.

>>129926923
"Those that do not work do not eat" -Lenin
And define "value of their work".

>>129926923
Be more specific. What does your global revolution look like? How do you assure new hierarchies don't form? What happens if they do?

>Its the fact that workers are first of all forced to work (or they can starve/freeze to death)
What happens if too many people don't want to work in a communist world and just laze around? Are they not also then forced to work?

>>129926923
Also
>the collapse of capitalism seems more and more likely
What about China? What about Macron? Capitalism isn't going anywhere any time soon.

>>129927380
I just want to add that yes everyone that lives off welfare should be shot if they don't want to work.

And by value of their work i mean the "profit" the owner of the factory/company takes. The workers produce the value of the company/factory, while the owner only had to get the company/factory up and running and has to maintain it. This "fee" is offset by the "profit" the owner takes from the workers, which is used for his own leisure and sometimes for investing into his company/factory.

>>129927883
I believe that Marx wanted socialism to be the stage where the new humans born into the system are thought values such as hard work, compassion, equality etc. Through education and a few generations all traces of greed would be wiped out (it is necessary for the entire planet to be communist, so that no capitalists are interfering whit it). In time a new "breed" of people would arise that would share the wealth and care for each other.

>>129928522
>I just want to add that yes everyone that lives off welfare should be shot if they don't want to work
>dude fuck fascism lmao
>but the state should kill all those who disobey as long as they promise they'll wither away one day!

>I believe that Marx
I know that this is what Marx (foolishly) believed. I'm asking you how YOU believe a global revolution will play out. Do you seriously believe that seven billion (and growing) humans will all one day think exactly alike? What happens if, let's say, one hundred years into a communist utopia some people come together and want to form a state and create new hierarchies. Who's going to stop them?

>>129925319
communism is slavery.

Because it implies that only the individual is responsible to fulfill the needs of themselves and we've been told our whole lives that were worth it, we deserve better/more, we shouldn't have to worry about basic essentials, that it's the responsibility of someone else to provide those basic needs. Then we get pumped up with all the hype of the latest and greatest hot topic items and have to make a decision - do we want to have our basic needs or do we want to have the luxuries? But then you remember that someone told you that shelter, food, and water is a human right and you deserve both. So you choose the system that tells you that you can have your cake and eat it too.

Because everyone in our education system tells them to.

>>129928522
So from where does the manager of a factory's income come from? They don't produce anything, but their work is more challenging than grunt work, and would need a higher wage, otherwise no one would be driven to be a manager. Next time, don't pretend you have a problem with how people are forced to work under Capitalism. Nobody forces you to work other than your own stomach, you could be homeless by choice, unlike what you propose, where they would be sent to GULAGs.

>>129924953
coz theyre in so much debt the cucks

>>129924953
>Why do most millenials hate capitalism?
Because they're an anomalous generation who stand to lead less prosperous and healthful lives than their parents, lacking opportunity, property, regular employment, etc. Yet born just in time to see what they're missing out on. It's demoralizing. If that wasn't bad enough, they don't even get to live in the comfort of their own people, as they're being displaced through forces beyond their control--politically, and materially. That's why you see a rise in reactionaries, fascists, and so forth.

>>129928522
And since you're against classic entrepreneurship, I'm curious as to how you believe a new factory could be constructed. The only thing I realistically see is through a centralized economy, and I sincerely hope you aren't dumb enough to support that.

I am not opposed to capitalism, in fact I think it's the best system of economics out there, but much like the Gilded Age the United States needs to crack down, break up, and regulate this gigantic faceless corporations. Unlike companies like Standard Oil, however, it's not a monopoly, but a careful oligarchy of businesses and business owners that are responsible for everything. Basically, what we see is rampant capitalism being furthered by rampant globalism. It needs to be reigned back in so the individual can once again prosper as opposed to those only at the top. As bad as it sounds, the only thing that can protect the citizen from being preyed upon by shit like this is a government that actually cares, and unfortunately we have neither. We need another Taft to come along and help the little guy out. What we're experiencing nowadays is a version of Robber Barons on steroids, and now they're global, unchecked, and wholly able to avoid any responsibility for their actions. The banking system also plays heavily into this.

>>129930151
Even Standard Oil was rapidly losing market share before the government stepped in. The reason these companies can exploit the way they do is specifically because the government props them up. Reduce the complexity of your tax code and business codes, reduce the size of your government, and the big guys will lose their advantages. You don't need an authoritarian government to save you, in fact it'll probably do you dirty in the long run, just like breaking up standard oil has lead to the modern US government corporation relations.

>>129930077

If i'd ran a communist country i'd use a similar system to what Lenin did in his NEP. Basically a mixed economy where the state owns all the companies/land, but the workers/farmers get to keep ~40%(the rest goes to the sate) of their products, which they would trade between themselves.

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We never saw Capitalism work in our favor, coming of age during a recession fucked us so now most just want gibs

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>>129931100
So you do want a centralized economy. Wonderful. You guys really could not make this easier on me.

>>129930765
I never said we need a tyrannical government, but one that can help regulate an economy to an extent is one that can be beneficial to the citizen. Theodore Roosevelt and Howard Taft did great work in their time as presidents, they were republicans, they also helped expand the government in different ways, through the Sherman Act which I think was the right call and other things like the National Park services and so forth. A government that serves the people is the right system, not one that simply overreaches and acts on your behalf. That's a fine line to tread but I think it had been done once and it can be done again. You are right, the government and big businesses need to get untangled and unfucked from one another. I'm just a southerner seeing a broken system and trying to figure out why.

>>129931268

You do realize that China is building up in a capitalistic manner to challenge the US? Once the US is out of the picture world communism is in our grasp.

>>129931262
Unironically mad at you. Complaining about the recession and wanting more gibs while I permanently live in a state worse than yours because we went too far with the gibs.

>>129928522
You're young, the only way to achieve socialism is through Stalinism. Most Marxists are garbage Social Justice idiots who will put class on the backburner when a tranny or a middle-class college educated black cries that their physical appearance makes them worse off.

>>129931553
So you want stagnation? That's just strange, I have to say.

>>129931553
The average Chink loves privatization, much better off now than when Mao was starving them by the tens of millions.

>>129929197
What's stopping people from reforming the Roman hierarchy?

>>129924953
You have to earn your free shit.

>>129931100
Assuming that the end goal of your socialist state is to establish a classless, moneyless, and--most importantly--stateless society, how are you going to assure that your Leninist state withers away? Why has every single single-party socialist state become totalitarian?

Also
>communist
>country
You were just arguing for global revolution. There are no countries under international communism.

>>129931698
Im not saying im the one wanting gibs im just saying as a whole I think Millenials growing up in a shitty economy has made them think socialism is a preferable alternative

>>129924953
Because as Tocqueville would say:
>Americans are so enamoured of equality, that they would rather be equal in slavery, then unequal in freedom

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>>129924953
I don't know. I love capitalism, but then again, I was born in 1986, so I'm right on the edge of Millenial/Gen-X. Also, I have a lot of investments in stocks and bonds, which is the only way to "make" money at a decent rate. Capitalism is competition, and if you hate the system, then build your own company, and pay off your congressmen, and local politicians, and fight dirty like the other big businesses.

Most Millenials watch too much fucking Dragon Ball Z and what the fuck ever and think if they concentrate hard enough, they'll succeed. Meanwhile, smart Millenials are setting themselves up for the future.

>>129931553
>Once the US is out of the picture world communism is in our grasp
You do realize Jack Ma basically came out as a libertarian today? Alibaba is aiming to be the "fifth biggest corporation in the world" by 2032, after the four biggest economies.

China is never going back to Maoism.

>>129931735
You do realize that i'd gulag the SJW/liberals first. A real communist denounces those retards and larpers.

>>129932019
Countries would be needed until the entire world is under socialistic control. Then a single government would through education ensure that the people forget things that aren't in human nature (like greed, when there is abundance of stuff).

>>129925319
ok so riddle me this
If in communistic country everyone is equal, so you being a burger flipper earn as much as I do being a programmer.
Why in the world would I learn and strive to be a programmer if you as as burger flipper with 0 experience in anything will have just as good of a life as I will?

balls

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>>129924953
Because see pic.

>>129924953
Because they are lazy

>>129932308
>Jack Ma came out as a Libertarian

Well duh anyone who's read about him for more than 10 minutes could assume that, what does that have to do with the price of rice?

>>129924953
Because a lot of them suffer under it

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>>129924953
Because they still too young and stupid. When they get a jod and start paying bills, will become anarchists.

>>129932450

Well you see there wouldn't be any pay. If a programmer wanted burgers he would get burgers from you and you would get the programing you need done from him. You give what you can and take what you need.

>>129932391
>You do realize that i'd gulag the SJW/liberals first
Congrats, you just Stalin'd

Those people make up the majority of self-identified Communists in the Western World.

>>129932825
So it's all voluntary?

>>129932391
>muh human nature
lmao, do you think cannibalism is okay too? Isn't that "human nature"?

You still haven't told me how, why, and when this world socialist government is going to wither away. Why would people who have absolute power want to give it up? When has that ever happened in a communist country?

>>129932391
How do you know the one world govt would know what is correct for all the people? You are putting everyone's lives in the hands of a select few, just on a global scale now.

>>129932955
People feel obligated, it becomes the nature of humanity to take what they need and create what they need to.

Shit's not gonna happen for hundreds of years after socialism starts, but it'd be nice to push it closer... we'll have communism by 2300.

>>129932825
So then again, why would anyone do any of those hard jobs if you can just "take what you need"?

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>>129924953
Because despite being the most objectivly skilled and educated generation they are being told they will be less sucessful than their parents.

A system that says hard work pays off and only the strong survives cannot also claim that boomers who didnt graduate highschool earned a better quality of life than millineals who have dedicated themselves to education from ages 4-22.

Your system is bunk m8. If people thought they could compete and win they would do so. If they dont the either try to rewrite the rules(voting) or ignore the rules(crime).

Ballet or bullet. Your choice porky.

>>129932579
Does this take into account cost of living? I live in Wisconsin and 20k as median is easily livable on as long as you stay out of Madison and Milwaukee.

>>129933317
I don't think so, eg see the DC one. Trump really need to purge them all.

>>129932391
>>129933063
>things that aren't in human nature

So the An Cap is telling the communist that his human nature shit's a bunch of shit and basically a spook

/pol/ might be the most ideologically confused place on earth

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>>129924953
Because of people like this

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>>129924953
I wonder...

>>129933211
Why should any human fight for a "better future" that isn't going to happen until 2300 and has failed in every attempt in the past?

Utopian commies in this thread really are putting the cart before the horse. There's no need to advocate for the communism you describe, it'll simply occur once you reach post scarcity, that is, if I follow your logic.

>>129933597
That's the end point of the better future, we fight for a better present and socialism.

Socialism is the transitory state between capitalism and communism and is a more democratic form of economy where the employees control the companies, as opposed to a bunch of cokeheads pushing around money in Manhattan.

>>129932826
i just believe that they need to be put into special reeducation camps.

>>129932955
basicaly

>>129933063
let me say this one more fucking time. throught education and abundance of stuff we ensure that people wouldn't want to leave communism.
I mean if someone wanted to set up their own community, they are free to do so as long as they don't endanger anyone else.

>>129933267
You specifically wouldn't live in that system if communism was installed tomorrow. Real communism would be achieved in a few generations when the masses are educated. You would live in a mixed economy.

>>129933070
Arm the majority and disband the army. Then have soviets (democratically elected councils) supervise the planet.

>>129924953
"Capitalism" is not even a legitimate concept as it was invented as a straw-man for Mr Karl Marx's idea of communism, O.P.

>>129929954
>Yet born just in time to see what they're missing out on
You actually hit the nail on the head, pirate. This is what's key here - kids see their parents buying themselves fast cars and irresponsibly throwing away cash, while they themselves are
eating ramen noodles, driving toyota corrolas, working their asses off at a job they feel they might lose any day. Dad walked into a factory at age 16 and landed a salaried position for wearing a brown tie and interviewing while sober, and his son is sending out hundreds of resumes for 20k salary positions and not even landing an interview. Kids see their parents with heavily unionized secure jobs that they got out of highschool, while they themselves must pay out their ass for an education they won't enjoy in a huge gamble at a career they won't enjoy.
America has always been a revolutionary country full of change. I can see something happening here.

>>129933923
>i just believe that they need to be put into special reeducation camps.
So did Stalin

Stop being afraid of Stalin, his methods are the only feasible way to create a stable socialist state

>>129933913
>stalinism and maoism are democratic
wew lad

>>129933211
>take what they need and create what they need to
How do you determine what is fair for every person? Does the person who works 40 hours a week as a janitor deserve the same amount of resources as the person who works 20 hours a week as a rocket scientist? What happens if someone doesn't work but takes just as much as anyone else?

>>129924953
They don't.

>>129924953
they've never gotten to experience it.

only communism corporatism and socialism.

>>129924953
They have good reasons for it and maybe little brainwashing too.

>>129934244
I never said they were. Pisspoor third world shitholes led by strongmen are pisspoor third world shitholes led by strongmen under any economy

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>>129933923
>I mean if someone wanted to set up their own community, they are free to do so as long as they don't endanger anyone else
Woah woah woah, so you mean if I want to build a big house and then charge people to live in it, no one's going to shoot me?

You STILL haven't explained why the worldwide, socialist, Stalinist government is going to eventually give up power and cease to exist.

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Stop playing around with Marxist ideas, T.B.H. "Capitalism" is an idea was invented by him to use as a straw-man.

>>129933431
On that he has got a point...

>>129933431
This would be solved by National Socialism, though

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>>129933923
people being educated or not is not the issue here

I became a programmer so I can earn a lot of money, the way was hard, it still IS hard but I endured it all so in the end I could have better life. I, and probably 99% people given the choice to be a, say janitor or go trough what I did and have the exact same life would instantly chose the janitor job.
If there is no reward at the end why would ANYONE work hard?

>>129933901
>post scarcity
>implying it could be ever reached if these retards keep setting back civilization with their childish "revolutionary" tendencies

These fags should just sit back and wait, letting capitalism bring forth the conditions.

>>129934269
The world will be fairly automated by then, it'll probably all be done by computers and shit. You'll work 5 hours at an Amazon like facility and in return you get everything you'd ever need delivered right to where you live every day.

We're not living in a time where we don't have algorithms and complex computers. Shit's only gonna get more advanced.

>>129934435
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't nazbols supposed to love them some Stalin and Mao?

>>129934671
Only way to stop those degenerate.

>>129934201
I like Stalin and his policies. I also believe that some of the gulag'd people deserved it, but deferentially not everyone.

>>129924953

We can't into finance and spend everything on the latest Apple or Microsoft product while buying it all on credit.

>>129926923
Of course they aren't being paid the full value of their work. The extra goes to the business to it can expand and hire more people.

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>>129933267
But the hard jobs are only necessary for capitalism's sake. If a job is unenjoyable and too hard, why would a perfect system force so many people to do it? Many people enjoy programming. Many people do it for the money. Is programming necessary? Not really, not in the big picture. And the people who are programming without enjoying it would be happier if they could flip burgers, so shouldn't they be flipping burgers? They would be happier.

>>129934887
And he missed a lot of people

>>129934887
>Not everyone
How can you determine who was worth and who not.

>>129934786
Absolutely, empirically, privatized economies do much better for the average citizen, and your end goal is utopian post scarcity shit. Put these things together and the answer is to wait for post scarcity. Personally, I have no interest in living in a society like that, I'd probably just peace out to the forest or some shit, but you guys go right ahead, and just wait.

>>129934980
It won't work, we got better weapons.

>>129934980
Just hope you don't have a temporary ammo shortage.

>>129924953
Capitalism rewards innovation and improving/increasing self worth.

Communism has no rewards and everyone is treated the same and no one has expectations of you. If someone tries to improve themselves or be exceptional they get punished.

Millennials are useless and incapable.

>>129935023
Alot of people were victims of corruption and old rivalries. The kulaks/bankers/trockyists and other people undermining the state on the other hand deserved it tho.

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>>129934998
Because usury is haram, fools.

>>129933302
This Aussi fuck gets it.

>>129935222
>people undermining the state on the other hand deserved it tho
Just to be clear, do you agree with this statement:
>totalitarianism is okay when we do it because we promise it's the only way to make everyone think alike and then we'll have a perfect world with neglibile crime and no hierarchy

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>>129935166
yes, they "unlucky ran out of ammo" for a small amount of time.

>>129935209
>If someone tries to improve themselves or be exceptional they get punished
[citation needed]

>>129934828

This is the biggest pipe dream of all time.

Why do you think the same people who exploit you now will all of a sudden be interested in giving everything to you for free? Will automation somehow make scarce resources less scarce? And if everyone is receiving a basic living wage for minimal work, what will be the laws against reproduction to make sure that the population doesn't grow to unsustainable levels?

Automation won't create a utopia. Automation won't make rare resources plentiful. Just like minorities on welfare, an incentive to create even more children will exist because of increased benefits if they did so. It's such a ridiculous fantasy, the only way it could work is if you render populations inert, stagnant, and unable to grow or develop.

It doesn't make any sense.

>>129935475
It's not about totalitarianism, it's about killing retarded people who identify as non-binary Marxist so that we can actually have civic discourse.

It takes effort?

>>129935690
How is killing all those who undermine the state not totalitarian?
National Bolshevism is a totalitarian ideology, just own it.

>>129934998
>Is programming necessary? Not really
Thats funny because if this really is what commies think a communist country would immediately go into the stone age
Let me get you in on a secret, EVERYTHING has to do with programming.

Your TV? Programming, your phone? Programming. Production machine? Fucking programming.

And while there are people who genuinely enjoy programming now, 99% of them would just drop out and started working at mcdonalds or as some janitors given the chance if the life would be exactly the same.

>>129926923
>then they don't get paid the full value of their work.
Anon just no
Overhead is a part of business as is time preference.
There something you need to understand about being a business owner.
You're working for the consumers and everyone gets paid before you and you get to keep what's leftover
If you don't understand these two facts of running a business you should not partake in a conversation you know nothing about.

Also workers are not being exploited in another way because wages represent a time preference of the workers to be paid immediately instead of waiting for the products they helped create get to market and are sold.
Time adds value something that you need to understand at a conceptual level of understanding what prices are.

>>129927380
Thats actually in the Bible.

Commie BLOWS SELF. Hahahahahahaha!

>>129935547
>Why do you think the same people who exploit you now will all of a sudden be interested in giving everything to you for free?
I don't, as a Marxist I believe the only option is a revolution. The rich won't give anything to you, you have to take it.

Any "social progress" that comes as the ruling class bestowing rights and privileges on people isn't true progress.

For real change to happen, Prometheus has to steal the fire

>Will automation somehow make scarce resources less scarce?
No but mining asteroids will

> And if everyone is receiving a basic living wage for minimal work, what will be the laws against reproduction to make sure that the population doesn't grow to unsustainable levels?

Why did the birth rate fall in the first world and continues to fall? People don't want a million fucking kids

>>129924953
They don't. They hate the uncapitalistic oligarchs it tends to created in which the people who make it rich collide with each other to get richer while lobbying for governmental shit to make of harder for people to get rich so the richer can get even more richer off of them.


True capitalism is alright and almost complementary to human nature but to the oligarchical environment it tends to create when not take well care of just leaves bad tastes in peoples mouths especially those that would rather follow their passions instead of getting soul crushing work for the simple sake of its momentary value

House prices are too high.

>>129935974
>gets paid before you and you get to keep what's leftover assuming there is anything leftover*

As a millennial let me explain why. The vast majority of my peers were pampered insanely and are lazy and have no idea what real work is. They have been indoctrinated since before they could talk by (((Mass Media))) and (((Social Media)). Then when they get to college they are further indoctrinated. They all think they are oppressed for some reason even though they live better than 99% of the world and people throughout history. They think socialism/communism just means free shit and have no concept of paying taxes because they have never worked. My generation has been too comfortable and too coddled. There are some redpilled ones but they are hard to find. The Liberals of my generation are the most insufferable people because they think they have the moral high ground on everything and think that everyone else is liberal, or if you're not liberal then they treat you like you're mentally retarded.

>>129924953
They blame capitalism for the economic problems that are brought about by socialism and globalism. They come out of school ignorant to political realities, having their education focus on feels, injustices due to unequal outcomes, and glorifying socialism while bashing early america's rise to the greatest nation on earth.

They are unable to connect the dots between economic freedom, small government, gold standard currency, and poor economic situations. They blame evil republicans for not taxing everyone who's wealthy to the point of taking it all and giving it to people who are inefficient and wont utilize that capital to improve their surroundings.

Ask any millennial about fiat currency and you'll get lots of derps, however they are 100% sure they are poor because someone else is rich.

America has been socialist at ever increasing amounts for a very long time. Also americans greatest time, its rise to greatness, is completely overshadowed in education because black people had to fend for themselves like everyone else, so it was never a great country or some shit.

Ignorance and poor education, with scapegoating the people responsible for america being strong. Dangerous combination.

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>>129936555
you, on this thread

>>129935876
That's kind of what many communists including myself think would happen, and want to happen. Remove technology. Back to a basic society. Believe it or not, millenials CAN live without snapchat and tinder. I would be happy if all I had to do was work 10-12 hours a day, 5 days a week, on a farm, and be provided enough food to survive, enough land to live, and to not be shipped off to war.

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Because it's shit the way we have it.
But competition isn't shit.
Corporate entities need their directions and decisions considered and approved by the government as being in line with the mission of the nation, which must be the furthering of its people, their causes and successes, and the preservation of their race.
Capitalism doesn't care about any of that stuff, it cares about money, and that's fine but caring about money only doesn't work, you get hedonism, you get the national unity being nothing greater than consumption, you get leftism.
Anyone can spend money, so bring in as many randos as possible, saddle them with loans, get them buying Coke and burgers.
Blacks and women especially like to spend money on frivolities so redistribute white men's money to them with welfare, divorce court, social agitation about income.
Sex sells too, so what's wrong with degeneracy again?
(((Capitalism))) like what we have right now is dogshit and soulless.

>>129932579
this is pathetic really. it's incredible how many people went to college and made piss poor choices.

>>129936555
Then it sounds like we need more LEBENSRAUM FÜR UNSERE LEUTE

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>>129929217
yes, having partial ownership of the place where you work is definitely slavery

>>129937261
The proles have no ownership. The party committee decides what to do. Do yourself a favor and read a history book.

>>129937261
And if he was a worker who started from the ground?
In this way, your way you punish those who don't deserve.
Capitalism may have it's flaws but communism is a total hole.

>>129936125

>As a Marxist

Marx was right about a lot of things in Das Kapital. However, taking a party's campaign pamphlet that he wrote in the 1840's and basing your political ideology off of it is absurd. Class warfare is real, the Communist Manifesto was literally just a one-off piece of party propaganda for a single election that Marx wrote. It's as absurd as creating an entire ideology off of the 2004 Democratic Party platform.

>Why did the birth rate fall in the first world?

For the exact reason they'd rise if everyone had access to the income needed to raise children. The reason why birth rates in the first world have fallen is because it became exponentially more difficult to raise kids once both prospective parents were required to work. This, and the stagnation of wages, led to the fall in birth rates, NOT the fact that people don't want them. My wife and I have good jobs and we're literally saving up to have a fucking kid because childcare costs are fucking ridiculous.

Now, if you utterly change that situation with free gibs for everyone, having a child is going to look like a hell of a lot less of a financial burden. Birth rates will rise. It's why working people have fewer kids now yet refugees in Europe receiving everything on the dole reproduce at ridiculous rates. If a species has no constraints or pressures, they reproduce, and quickly.

>>129933302
just because you work hard does not mean that you will be making the big bucks, you have to take risks and make smart choices. also everyone i know who spouts this commie shit is a deadbeat and/or working at a grocery store.

>>129937261
>be commie
>bake 100 loaves of bread
>allegedly own them
>they get used for a purpose you can't control
>go to bed hungry
huh

>>129937620
^This

>>129924953
Because they are poor, lazy and fucking retarded.

>>129936125
The birth rate fell because it's fucking expensive to have kids. If full scale automation really does kick in parents would have plenty of time to take care of children and raise them.

>>129937053
>Remove technology
Goodbye toilets, goodbye toothpaste, goodbye internet, goodbye printing presses.

Man, those Khoi-San were really living it up, huh?

>>129936796
Also our education system has been infiltrated by marxists from kindergarten until college. They teach us about the evils of white people while completely ignoring anything bad minorities did throughout history. I took a world religions class senior year of highschool, the only thing we were taught about Islam was "Islam is peace" and "terrorists aren't real Muslims". The only passages from the Quran read to us were peaceful passages. But when we talked about Christianity it was all about how Christians are violent, evil and backwards people. You wonder why my generation is the way it is, it is because we are taught since the moment we walk in to schools till the moment we walk out for the last time to be ashamed of our people's history and of our country's history, while they do everything they can to glorify any other culture or civilization that is not European. They teach us to be Nihilists from day one. School now a days does not teach us useful things, they teach us two things above all else, submit to authority or else your life will be made worse and don't ask difficult questions.

>>129924953
Because the US economy has had decades of wage stagnation, rising income and wealth inequality, jobless recoveries, underemployment, diminishing job creation, rising healthcare and education costs, and poor job prospects for recent college graduates. Most of these trends are a result of offshoring, automation, and neoliberal economic policies (in particular deunionization), but millennials tend to simply place the blame on capitalism in general.

Millennials in particular face a poor job market upon receiving college degrees, rack up hundreds of thousands in student debt, and have never seen higher than 3% annual economic growth in their lifetimes. Their concerns about capitalism are for the most part well-founded, they simply lack the ability to articulate their concerns in a coherent manner. The situation is only set to deteriorate in the coming decades with increased automation of blue- and white-collar jobs alike.

>>129937128
We can fix the problem by sterilize them in exchange for basic income.

>>129924953

a function of capitalism is acknowledging actions have consequences and you're responsible for your own.
Simple as that.

>>129924953
Their jewish professors told them too.

>>129937620
>UKRAINE
>SU mandatory planting of corn not wheat
>Ect. so many examples
This is why you can't be a communist if you read a history book.

>>129936796
>They have been indoctrinated since before they could talk by (((Mass Media))) and (((Social Media))
Social media is definitely one of the biggest factors in this imo. People can get a nonstop feed of other people doing better than themselves and being targeted for things they can't afford.
Makes them unhappy as fuck and constantly jealous hence the I'm oppressed bits. They see anyone different from themselves (white, male, etc) doing better and knee jerk react that they only got there because privilege.

Right around when the iphone 4 or 5 released, social media really became a whole other beast and this shit started to snowball.

>>129924953
Because they are losers. /thread

Because it's tough being raised to think that no person, idea, or choice is better than another person, idea, or choice and then enter a competitive world.

Everyone I know that understands competition, has a decent work ethic, and makes sound choices is content with their level of success.

>>129931421
I was a liberal who thought the government could help everyone and blah blah. Then I worked there for a few years as a contractor upgrading applications. Holy shit with in 6 months I did not want them to do anything for me. What a cluster fuck.
Managers get their little fiefdoms and they fight with other managers of money, they spend money they did not need so they wont lose it for next year (Seriously everyone one in the office was give 10 copies of norton anti-virus because they had to buy software with the money). Upgrading systems no one used any more or tested after it was completed. When I was done it they guy said thanks but we don't print that anymore.
Holy shit it was a cluster fuck. Did I say cluster fuck yet?
tldr; The government is a big and non-responsive. It takes years to decide a path and in those years the goal has changed but they still go down the same path.
Thought experiment: Write down what you want to have in 5 years. Take that and fold it up and save it. At the end of 5 years read it. Compare that to what you now want (5 years in the future). If things were run by the government that stuff int the note would just be delivered to you(in the best case scenario)

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>>129924953
I don't hate capitalism, but i think it should be regulated... or maybe regulated is the wrong word

like, there should be incentives to things like going to the shopping mall instead of keeping your face buried in an iphone

i think capitalism is great in theory because people can exchange goods and services for currency and avoid things like slavery, but its also bad because some of those goods and services exist to our detriment

>>129937261
>partial ownership
that's not ownership at all

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>>129924953
They like the buying part of capitalism. Just look at their trendy outfits and iPhones. They just don't understand the earning part, hence paying for their trendy outfits and iPhones with money from parents/loans/and government aid

>>129938177
My generation is result of massive amounts of social engineering to make us more docile and accepting. The thing is most people in my generation know they are being brainwashed and distracted by their smart phones, tvs and videogames they just do not care. I just wished I was red pilled earlier because perhaps I would have been able to break the conditioning on more of my peers before it was too late for them.

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>>129938075
You are responsible for your own actions but not always responsible for your own consequences. In this world, babies die of cancer. You really think that just because you work hard you will always be successful? No. You need to be fortunate as well.
The hardest job I ever held paid me the least. The job I have now pays me the most, was handed to me by a family member, and is easy to do. Anyone could do it. That's luck. That's not hard work. I could be lazy and still have this job.
Rich people always say that they got where they are because they "worked hard". A friend of mine who has never held a job and drives a BMW constantly calls people lazy and when I tell him that the only reason that he's rich is because of his inheritance, he laughs. Of course he's entitled to his own inheritance, but pretending like he's rich because of his actions is beyond retarded.

>>129938738
Biggest thing you can do is to turn off all notifications besides work email on your phone.

>>129939034
Nothing wrong with working hard so your family doesn't have to. Strong family and familial pride are in my eyes the natural welfare.

I agree that some people claim they earned more than they actually did though.

>>129939132
I'm still in college but am working this summer so I can put some money together to invest with. I've been thinking about downgrading from a smart phone to just a flip phone, hopefully that will help me break free from the conditioning more.

>>129925462
>In the Capitalist system there are losers and winners, and they see themselves as losers. Communism promises they'll get their needs met.

And then communism never meets their needs, then comes the gulags, and next thing ya know you and everyone you love is dead... Except the winners, the winners are still alive.

Both systems are not "ideal," but like hell if i would ever submit to fucking commy rule.

>>129924953
They hate effort and work.

>>129939607
Don't have to downgradde. It's amazing what just not having to keep it on you at all times can do.

Try going on quick trips to the store without it. Or leave it in the bedroom when you wake up.

>>129932579
how is this possible? I can barely speak English and im making 70k testing some shitty healthcare webpage.

are gringo millenials that lazy or do they drank the go for you're feelings coolaid?

>>129939607
I'm only 2 years out of uni. Just save that shit as a safety net for when you get out. I still am working on it but it's pretty essentialy to have 3 months of expenses stashed away. My plan once I get that sorted is to build up maybe 20k and pop it in a mutual fund or something. Some slow & steady shit that'll be a decent chunk by the time I'm 30-35 (am 22).

>>129940043
>webpage

Software is pretty much the only mass employer left that is highly paying, everyone else is on minimum wage pretty much.

>>129937053
Then go join the Amish. Are you this fucking retarded?

>, while the owner only had to get the company/factory up and running and has to maintain it.

You make it sound easy. What does your factory produce?

>>129926923
You are not forced to work under communism?

>>129940280
maybe if you live on a shithole like NYC, I know people making 50k+ out of high school on food manufacturing gigs or doing quality assurance on factories in Texas.

Just get out of shitholes with no jobs sans software like the Tri-State area or cali.

>>129924953
cause they're lazy

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>>129933422
It's funny, gommies are athiests, meaning they have no fundamental justification for morality. And yet at the same time they expect people to have supernatural levels of charity similar to that of Adam and Eve before the fall of man.

You could never destroy greed in society without the grace of god.

>Ballet or bullet

Rachmaninoff or Kalashnikov

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This guy makes six figures a year painting faces, and he didn't go to trade school for it.

What's your excuse?

>>129925319
the nordic model is literally utopia if its all white. Even with all white in capitalism, jews and corporations benefit far more than the average person.

>>129928522
See you believe the same false crap that every other millenial communist believes, the boss doesn't do anything but sit around and collect the cash. The owner of a company has worked and continues to work hard to build and grow that company. You think a fully functional factory just pops out the ground one day and the first one to get there gets to be the boss? The owner had to assume all of the risk, work day and night to build that factory, he provides jobs which contribute to the local economy. After all his hard work and contribution to society, his reward is a bigger paycheck than the guy who shows up and cleans the bathrooms. There are surely people in this world that don't deserve what they have, but that doesn't mean every rich person was handed everything.

>>129924953
It's not so much about capitalism in general, but when it becomes a no-rules system where anybody can build a monopoly on say, life saving medicine, then people get pissed. Young people aren't the only ones angry, just the loudest

>>129925319
Most people I see rabidly attacking capitalism are wealthy though
For instance, the antifa wearing 1000 dollar designer jackets and such

>>129941427
A lot of poor people are poor because they spend all of their money on stupid crap like designer clothes.

>>129932450
>everyone is equal
In early USSR the idea was that noone's salary should be higher than what most qualified worker that does manual labour receives at his factory. So no class division by money.

Looking back it did have it's upsides - you could pick job of your liking not really caring about moneyz, you'd always have a place to live and enough cash for life expenses. Downside being everyone got lazy when it's guaranteed. So lazy we started having food shortages.

>>129934706
Like I said. True capitalism havent existed for some thousands years.

>>129932579
Holy shit, do millennials even negotiate salary? Or do they all work entry level jobs?
No college degree, and I make $71k.
Fucking dog groomers make $46k

(california)