Ethnic Collectivism is retarded.

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>>129818388
Only the strong are capable of true freedom.

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Can someone baby step me on wtf Anarcho-Capitalist means for the average joe faggot?

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>>129818673
People who need others to survive belong in the acid mines.

>>129819200
it means being enslaved by whatever the most powerful military force arises near you aka basically modern society all over again
ancaps dont realize that the world started out as ancap in the first place and this is the current result

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>>129819293
wombal should be natal.

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>>129818388
daily reminder

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>>129818388

I ruin your pretense of a perfect society.

I deliver the goods for a lower price or for free and you can't stop me no matter how much violence you are willing to apply.

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>>129819556
>ancaps dont realize that the world started out as ancap in the first place

>>129819200
Constant fear that you'll be taken as a sex slave by your local militia leader. You hide in your shed and sneak out at night to dumpster dive for food.

Yeah, ethnic collectivism has really hurt all the different ethnic groups in the USA displacing whites who are without fail demonized and harassed for even mentioning that they might have interests.

Also those JEWS sure are retarded for practicing ethnic/group collectivism.

I'm convinced ancaps are more retarded than communists the more i listen to you guys

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>>129819200
>Hey guys we love capitalism so much we are going to create an environment where market failures go unchecked by the government and we can have corporatism with obscene deadweight drag on the economy

>hey guys we love not having people rule over us so much we are aiming for an environment where anyone who gangs up with enough people can literally enslave people with no recourse other than the theoretical 3rd party mob of people chanting out OMG HE VIOLATED THE NAP LETS GET UM

>>129818388
>tell a Serb he's retarded
>your stuttering and fat tongue cause a little bit of spit to come out and violate the Serb's NAP
>they kill all of your men and boys and rape your whore mothers because they had better McGuns™ than you
This was the catalyst for the Srebrenica massacre. When will AnCraps learn?

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>>129819870
I bet that bitch is a roastie.

>>129819556
The world started out as anarcho-primitivist and worked it's way up to theocracies.

Literally no good arguments against ancap.

>>129820403
>Literally no good arguments against ancap.

see
>>129820257

>>129818388
What If I'm a staunch capitalist that believes whites are superior and all niggers and jews need to be gassed (for a price)?

>>129818388
What the fuck do you have against roads, you uncivilized swine?

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>>129820545
>Hey guys we love capitalism so much we are going to create an environment where market failures go unchecked by the government and we can have corporatism with obscene deadweight drag on the economy
Businesses that are market failures will be out-competed by the competition.

Only in crony-capitalism are failed businesses a black-swan event that destroys the economy. In ancap world, they are little more than blips on the radar as the free market works out the kinks as they emerge naturally.

>hey guys we love not having people rule over us so much we are aiming for an environment where anyone who gangs up with enough people can literally enslave people with no recourse other than the theoretical 3rd party mob of people chanting out OMG HE VIOLATED THE NAP LETS GET UM
It's already a fact you can't live without money. If you have money, you can pay for protection. The most constructive collectives will be able to protect their members at the least cost for the highest economic benefit, while the others will be removed through natural selection by destructive elements which are already present in our supposedly safe and wholesome robber-baron states.

At least in this scenario, paying for protection is completely voluntary.

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>>129818388
If your deluded society is capable of existing in any eviloremn, it would most likely only be in Ethicly collective enviloremn.

In other words for you stupid retard, let's say it's a white ethinc society. In that society Whites are treated with respect, given a right to vote and have individual rights. Blacks are segregated from these rights so they can not fuck up society with their low IQ. That does not mean they cannot succed, but they have to go to Africa and make better world for themselves.


So Ideal society is Racialy collective, but Individualistc in sense if you fulfill ethnic/racial requrements.

There is your retarded brain capable of understanding Ethinc Collectivism now? And dont start with "MuH FeEls" non arguments.

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>>129818388
>If you make it sound spooky our wives get to keep fucking black guys the way I like.

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>>129819611
Don't tell anyone what to do, that's a violation of the NAP

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>>129818388
Autobahn.

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>>129818388
t. white guy

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>>129818388
tfw to good for identity politics

>>129819200
no goverment, with an emphasis on free trade/barter

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>>129818388
tfw to smart for identity politics

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>>129821290
>Businesses that are market failures will be out-competed by the competition.

you are an idiot that doesn't know what a market failure is, read a book nigger

market failures are things like

>monopoly
>externalities
>withheld information about products or business activities
>ect...

these are all things the government regulates(or should) to ensure that markets remain competitive and *free* anarchist states have no mechanism to ensure this outside of a random mob of faggots screeching about the NAP

>*violent damage control about mob rule*

So what are you going to do when your agorist village is overrun by my more numerous gang of autocratic slavers who use you all as forced labor

who will be stopping me?

how will NAP be upheld if sheer might is enough to negate enforcement?

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>>129818388
I'm to much of an intellectual for identity politics

>>129818388
What if people group around racial/cultural lines? You'd end up with the nation states anyway.

>>129821927
>somehow, voting for collectivist, socialist, warmongerer #1 is better than collectivist, socialist, warmongerer #2

Yeah....

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>>129818388
know what guys? I think history is over. we're finally coming to the end of it, and it's because of me opting out of identity politics

because I'm to smart

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>>129822326
sorry I'm to smart for your false dichotomy

I'm just going to not organize and really forget about politics altogether

>>129822174
>muh market failures
those don't look like market failuers. And if i remember from my macro econclass most market failures where bullshit hypothetical examples to give government a chance to intervene.

>>129819556
basically... the worst case / strawman scenario in an-cap is the best case scenario in modern governance?

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>>129822344
Lol, great diversity.

Let's celebrate it, WoHoo!!!!!!

>>129822326
Well Trump has moved us a bit closer to capitalism and libertarianism and has not gone away from it like Hillary would have. We may as well use the existing system to move us there if we can.

>>129818388
You fuckwit. Ancap encourages ethnic collectivism as well as religious collectivism for example. Take away the state, and you stop subsidizing individualism. Families necessarily become the bedrock of your life. Ancap encourages extreme discrimination with regard to who is allowed to own land in your community, which is not incompatible with free trade. The Hoppean ideal is literally a network of interconnected appartheids, extended family territories, and HOAs.

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>>129822680
what could go wrong???

>>129822761
civic nationalism fails harder and only really when you are using socialism.

>>129822326
He's pointing out that everyone but white people vote for democrats and socialism, while white people vote for the party that (should) represent smaller government.

So much for your perfect multicultural ancap utopia, only white people want to live in it

>>129822525
am I being trolled?

If yes

>kys retard

If no

>you are hilariously ignorant to the very pillars of Capitalism

Here's some suggested reading Mr. Anarcho-"Capitalist"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_failure

Might I also suggest a book or something aloung those lines, not that I expect AnCaps to be very literate

>>129822761
Yea Demografics are not important.

Like that one tme when there were 1.5 milion Armenians in Turkey on their Anchient christian land.

Oops something happened to them, and they lost any and all claim to their anchient land inhabited by Turk/Kurds.

Or Germans in Koningsberg and Danzig can't wait when they get their land returned, oh wait nevermind they are now slav majority! German are really good at diversitying themselves out of existance....

I could go on and on....

>>129822174
>these are all things the government regulates(or should) to ensure that markets remain competitive and *free* anarchist states have no mechanism to ensure this outside of a random mob of faggots screeching about the NAP
Good luck having a global monopoly on goods when there are raiders you fuck.'

Concerning externalities (god, fuck why aren't these valid terms according to auto-correct?) collectives that preside over them intelligently will survive, while ones who allow them to be over-used and mishandled will fail.

Withheld information will be handled by NAP enforcing mercenaries. Anarchism breeds a lot of trouble, and people with money will be troubled, so the free market will fix it, with violent enforcement of the NAP.

If outside forces try to say, fish in your fishing zones, they are violating the NAP, and your local collective can kill or enslave them.

>So what are you going to do when your agorist village is overrun by my more numerous gang of autocratic slavers who use you all as forced labor
If you are under siege, you call in various mercenary groups or allied collectives of similar ideology and team up on their sorry asses.

Anarcho-capitalism replaces government functions with competition and voluntary exchanges.

Before asking stupid questions, imagine a scenario, imagine how a government would handle it, then imagine how that government's actions can be replicated in a voluntary, competitive business transaction.

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>>129822871
yep that's all it is simple as that. it's not even as if immigrants vote in more immigrants and for more welfare, it's just ideology that brings it down, it's not as if ideology is just the symptom of a much more concrete problem

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it's a good thing us thinkers have finally figured out the way forward. we just had to think on it for a while

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>>129818388
milton friedman is love

>>129822967
and I'm saying there's not iota of difference between democrat socialism and republican socialism.

In fact, being perfectly honest.. Trump represents bigger government than Hillary... or at least more government involvement in things like the military, trade, division of labor, corporate decisions, etc. Trump is just a bit better on taxes, but not enough to offset his anti-capitalistic/trade views.

>>129822174
If monopolies are "failures" then we should definitely abolish government to get rid of the patent and copyright systems.

Most of the things you call externalities are in fact not. Public roads are said to be necessary due to externalities but there's not a single argument for this that doesn't break down under minimal scrutiny. Public roads actually cause externalities.

Government involvement makes it harder for the market to allocate money towards private auditing firms.

>>129823303

>monopolies of various industries cant exist cuz raiders

*laughing_girls.png*

>I dont know what externalities means so Im going to pretend that it negatively effects the people doing them as opposed to say the village down stream that is drinking toxic waste water from the petroleum plant up stream

*laughing_girls.png*

>if u withold information frum me im gunna send my mercenaries at you

*laughing_girls.png* then the McDeathRobots™ kill all of your hired mercs then drop an Apple Brand™ i-Nuke™ on your house

>I swr guiz ppl will just run to my saving when I get BTFO by a gang of slavers

*laughing_girls.png*

I can't tell if I'm being trolled, but if you are trolling me then good job you rustled me, if not and these are your actual opinions I'd suggest you perhaps read about capitalism once or something like that and consider the possibility that noone is obliged to help you when the slavers take you and force you to suck off black men for their amusement

>>129823673
>and I'm saying there's not iota of difference between democrat socialism and republican socialism.
It's not that I necessarily disagree that the parties are essentially the same bullshit, but only the Republicans at least pretend to be for free markets, smaller government, etc, and that's what white people vote for (but get shafted later on).

On the other hand, non-whites vote exclusively for democrats and socialism

How do you reconcile the fact that only white people want to live in your "multicultural" ancap utopia?

Besides, in anarcho-capitalism, there's is nothing stopping me and my community from setting up a whites only policy, which I would do immediately if we ever actually switched to the system you advocate. Will you stop me? What if more and more communities decide the same thing and whites stay a majority?

>>129824194
I just drove through south Dallas.

>Awful Road Conditions
>Illogical Road Design
>Parking Lots where you have to back into on coming traffic to leave.

Not even the fucking government can do quality roads.

>>129823671
>milton friedman is love

says the person who probably doesn't want a federal reserve or literally any way to implement monetary policy

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>>129818388
just because it's fashionable to be open about being a Nat Soc, doesn't mean we will stop because it is matter of the survival of our people

>>129824662
Agreed I will say 14, but I won't say 88

>>129824389
>Not even the fucking government can do quality roads.
The government is the LAST entity you'd ever expect to do a good job at something. Dallas and Houston are especially good examples of the breakdown of city life when outward expansion is actively subsidized. Urban sprawl is a pathology of road socialism.

>>129824194
first of all nice monopoly strawman, second of all you do understand patents and copyrights were created to stop the thievery of ideas or items which cause deadweight drag in research and development when individuals stop making new things since when they do someone can just steal it and call it their own

I swear all of the points you all outline can be fixed by saying "read a book nigger"

Secondly who the fuck said anything about roads you bizzare autist, if you don't think externalities exist and need to be regulated inorder to ensure a free market you are a mongrel

>>129819200
Recreational McNukes

>>129824437
Okay now we know you're trolling.

>>129824319
>haha, now I own 100% of the gold mines in the world and will inflate the price!
>oh shit, now raiders are economically incentivized to steal my gold mines and sell at a lower price than me to undercut my business!

>haha, I'll poison the water to make charlie brown keychains to reap a meager profit!
>oh shit, the toxins have been traced back to me and I am violating the NAP of so many influential people everywhere that everyone is sending forces and dropping bombs on my sources of income!

>PEOPLE NEVER FIND OUT I LIED TO THEM!

>not having a rescue fund held by a trusted insurance group to be posted after your disappearance

Brainlets need not apply.

Also, slavers who go after business owners will get a bad reputation and thus there will be an interest for other business owners to kill them for safety.

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>>129824974
MONETARY POLICY IS DONE FROM A CENTRAL AUTHORITY LIKE A FEDERAL RESERVE WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY TO PUT MONEY INTO OR TAKE IT OUT OF CIRCULATION YOU FUCKING RETARD

MILTON FRIEDMAN WAS A MONETARIST

READ A BOOK NIGGER

Im triggered now, literally shaking, ect...

>>129825070
In anarcho-capitalism, what is stopping me and my community from forming a system whereby we all pool our money together and democratically decide how to spend it?

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>>129824826
>but I won't say 88
You know Hitler actually liked Asians... Oh wait you are a black... Oh nooo that sucks

>>129825141
Why should I take

>a fucking faggot

seriously?

>>129825070
again this is so heavily reliant upon everyone acting and thinking like you despite there being no central authority to force people to be culturally uniform or be compelled to help you

>It was the year 2182 and McDonalds™ had finally bought out all other competitors in the air market and they are now selling canned air for your McAirMask™ at 1000000 McBucks™ a liter, due to the heavy air pollution all air on earth is now unbreathable and one may only live through McAir™, this was done due to the massive stockpile of private McNuclearWeapons™ that Mcdonalds™ gathered and due to MAD noone dared challenge McDonalds™ as they established a psuedo monopoly on force

thanks for the future ancaps

>>129824924
I'm very well read thanks. What do you think about the disincentives caused by patent races? What evidence makes you conclude they're worth it?

Name one example of an externality.

>>129825141
Implying you wouldn't want him on your debate team. He was the king of btfoing commies. Yes we all disagree with monetarism.

>>129819200
Here's a summary:

>live in Anarcho capitalist utopia
>wake up
>no internet because DARPA was never funded and it wasn't developed
>eat breakfast
>hope i don't die from heavy metals inside the cereal as there's no regulations regarding food safety
>walk outside
>get in car
>hope I don't get hit because there are no regulations on seat-belts or airbags or car safety
>drive along tiny dirt path to my job at Megacorp because there are no roads
>get 10 minute break to eat hopefully toxin-free food
>go to parking lot
>car has been stolen
>call police corporation
>"note: this phone call will cost you $19.55"
>they give me a quote of $1000 to investigate the theft of my car
>i cannot afford because i only make $800
>walk home
>get stabbed for my shoes
>police officer can't help because I'm not insured with his corporation
>die of internal bleeding
>megacorp inherits my house because that's what my contract said in the fine print

Such is life in Ancap paradise.

>>129825763
the creation of patents and copyrights was done after historical analysis of micro-economic behaviors that resulted from intellectual property being stolen

Its worth is self evident as it wouldn't have come to existence without need to begin with

now you do observe problems amoung what you listed but can you link me to any peer reviewed paper that says we would face less deadweight drag if copyrights and patents were to be removed?

>Name one example of an externality.

any type of pollution

over consumption of resources resulting in catastrophic economic repercussions

risk taking that results in economic downturn(see 2008)

>Yes we all disagree with monetarism.

no the fuck we dont

Im a monetarist

It quite literally works and there are mathematical and statistical models as well as historical evidence to prove it

>>129826839
>>129825986
>Yes we all disagree with monetarism.

no the fuck we dont

Im a monetarist

It quite literally works and there are mathematical and statistical models as well as historical evidence to prove it

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>>129819200
It means being enslaved by Jews.

Whites automatically lose ancap because whites are individualists. Kikes are extreme tribalist and will collude their way to the top within a year and establish permanent Jewish monopolies in all areas. The same thing they have been doing for centuries.

>>129826839
>the creation of patents and copyrights was done after historical analysis of micro-economic behaviors that resulted from intellectual property being stolen
No, copyrights were created to enable censorship.
>worth is self-evident
To whom? Not me.
>link me to any peer-reviewed paper
Law is not science. There is no peer-review. Besides who's going to fund research that finds against creating new kinds of property for owners to own, or would publish it if it worked against them?
Go back. Way back.

>>129826839
Risk taking behavior that results in economic downturn is direct result of central banking, specifically the artificial lowering of real interest rates.

Overconsumption: what does that mean? The free market attempts to use as close to the optimal amount of resources that people desire. Dabbling with interest rates will cause the market to consume more or less than this.

As for pollution, what's preventing a class action lawsuit in a private court? Nothing. Under Anarchocapitalism, there worould be a system of contracts in place to protect property values. You and your neighbors sign a contract that prohibits each other from building these plants on your properties. If someone wants to break the contract or sell to someone who breaks the contract, there will be a massive, predefined fine.

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>>129818388
It actually isn't. Ethnic collectivism is a survival strategy that works great. If you don't collectivize, whichever rival group does it first will simply overpower you and vote away your freedoms.

It is better to form an organic state that actually functions and represents your race's interests. If your interests are liberty and freedom then that is what you will get.

>>129826839
>Its worth is self evident as it wouldn't have come to existence without need to begin with
This is retarded and proves you've not examined the literature and have no understanding of formal logic. That an institution is necessary is neither necessary nor sufficient for it to exist.

>>129821592
Libertarinism does equal open borders. The only legitimate borders are private property borders. If you want to be a statist just call yourself one.

>>129829432
Only means 'no borders' when there's no gibs, other than that, we're pretty anti immigration as it strains our failing social state

>>129819960
Government's didn't always exist. First there was natural anarchism. Government is the natural result of anarchism. Government IS anarchism.

>>129819996
while you are comfortable being a sex slave to your master, in the first place.

>>129826103
kek

>>129829432
Well when people say "open borders" they usually mean state borders. Those are illegitimate and should be abolished. In this sense libertarianism implies open borders and free immigration.

is there a film movie that demonstrate ancap philosophy?

>>129832348
State borders are not illegitimate, they formed organically to match the varying cultures and identities of the region. Only those borders drawn arbitrarily, like those in Africa, are illegitimate.

>>129826103
what a truly jewish nonsense hell, ancaps are little actors in zionist piggy dreams.

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>>129818388

> materialism

hey look, it's the plague of modern society

>>129824662
The free market will decide which race is superior

>>129832738
Lol play Fallout

>>129832849
and by "organically" you obviously mean by ethnic cleansings, population displacements and forced assimilation. :P

The only legitimate "borders" are those formed by justified property rights. And the brutal force of the state is not a justified way to own property. Countries do not belong to the states.

>>129834820

Functioning states are synonymous with their resident nations. Minorities, be they cultural/religious/ethnic/sexual, disunite the state, reduce its efficiency, and lead to anarchy.

But you probably live in 56% Land and wouldn't understand that

>>129818388
its biological and rooted in evolution so fuck off

>>129836189
>Functioning states are synonymous with their resident nations

So if there are people in it who don't want a state, they are not of the nation. Got it.

>>129836552

If you denounce your nation-state, you are literally a race traitor, so yes.

>>129836799
Oh no, it's retarded.

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>"M-m-muh NAP!"

>>129818388
>Ethnic Collectivism is retarded.
Jewish diaspora that rules you doesnt thinks so.

>>129836873

> roads

>>129819200
Call people "statist cucks" even though you would rather be ruled by corporations who have less of a concern for your ethnic identity?
Don't want to contribute any small amount of your work or earnings to help members of your own race?
Are you pathologically individualist then complain when people make a group effort to attack your race?
If your answers are "yes", then you're a right libertarian or Anarcho Capitalist.

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>>129818388
Individualism is retarded. Have fun being a slave. Pic related.

>>129819200
somalia, the road, mad max. you get the picture.

>>129834165
yea okay there Schlomo

https://twitter.com/awyattman88/status/873942391190958080

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>>129818388

Good goy.

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>Anarcho-communism is a utopian fantasy
>Anarcho-capitalism isn't

>>129818388
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>>129818388
Ethnic Collectivism makes sense.

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>>129843056
I think you could fantasize about ancap in most directions and never even come close to utopia

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>>129819200

>>129843395
You can't have a society based upon free association and individual if the state interferes in people's sex lives, friendo.

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>>129819200
Are you smart and hard-working? Congratulations, you'll make it to the top. Are you lazy and stupid? Prepare to be a wageslave.

>>129831276
I too have seen Batman. Although you're not wrong.

>>129843751
>unironicaly doesn't realise only states give enough power to bad people so they can harm others on mass

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>>129843968
You can if you run a loose collection of arcology city states that each individually make up their own laws that suit the group they are comprised up of. If you don't like it, you are free to get the fuck off of the arcology owners property

>>129844360
>unironically thinks this
Once you crawl out of your basement you'll find out that there are some bad people in the world, and far more of them than you think.

>>129844504
Cool, unverifiable facts.

AnCaps are just as delusional as AnComs. You want to live in the Fallout universe? Fuck no.

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>>129819654

ancaps believe in no government, anarchy

libertarians are minarchists who believe in the night watchman state

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night-watchman_state

Important difference. No rational person would think ancap is a good idea, but many people see minarchism/libertarianism/NWS as a perfect form of government.

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>>129845632
This. Important distinction. If they're ancaps they're probably flying the Ancap flag, if they're libertarians they're more likely flying the Gadsden flag or Dixie flag.

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>>129845462

I kinda do.

Just started a no-VATS, max charisma run with a shit ton of mods to make my character look like a E-cup stripper. Using 'charm' (giant tits) and automatic weapons.

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>>129844504
That's what hiring your local friendly security corp™ is for

>>129845632
>>129846485
>libertarians

mfw the current government IS an-cap. They're just a very large bunch of citizens routinely violating the NAP

>>129818388
collectivism is human nature

>>129838982
>libertarians are cancer
>ancap revolution

what?

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>>129818388

>>129848378
libertarians are just marginally less retarded ancaps anyways

>>129820257
>where market failures
Stopped reading there.

I'm still wating for the monarchy flag.

>>129849457
>Sweden.jpg

>>129849738
>the snake specifically requested that you do not tread on him
LOL

>>129831276
No, government is archism. Human society started out in archism, although maybe it was really small in the beginning, but normally more capable people lead others. You can see this in any naturally organizing group.

Human civilization started, when people started to set rules to this rule.

fuck you

you are not anarchist.

anarchism means there is no hierarchy.

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>>129819200

>>129832348
If state borders and public property are abolished then all property will become private property. How does that imply free immigration?

Libertarianism implies extension of private property, therefore the only immigration you would see would be via prior invitation.

Libertarianism implies open borders about as much as it implies that you will have to sleep with your door and windows open.

>>129850076
Not according to Proudhon

>>129851012
What about when two people decide to share property?

>>129818388
Anarcho-collectivism for the win
>>129850076
this

>>129849593
>>129849738

Answer to the question: Are you sexually interested in one of the bounded people? What is the punishment for pulling the lever? if you are sexually interested in one of the people and the punishment for breaking the nap is bearable, pull the lever, otherwise dont.

>>129845632
>but many people see minarchism/libertarianism/NWS as a perfect form of government.

I'd take it a step further and exchange government with AI. There's no reason that wouldn't work way better than current systems.

>>129819200
Hi actual ancap here

It means Cheaper and better everything, Complete freedom, better safety and higher pay

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>>129818388
ffs, can't even spell "aggression"

/thread closed

>>129851380
Then they must set rules for the use of said common property.

One of the rules could perfectly be

>One may not invite other people permanently in our common property without explicit permission of the other

>>129850076
anarchsim means no involuntary hierarchie. voluntary hierarchie (like a soccer play joins a soccer club and then says he will listen to what the coach says) is ok.

>>129850076
Anarchism means there is no state.

None-state hierarchies can still exist.

>>129851545
>AI
What would be the set goal of the AI? I can guarantee it will be shit.

>>129849032
What would realistically happen, but as you can see, it is a voluntary, unlike government taxation.

>>129818673
Only the weak don't dominate others.

>>129851670
Okay. And what if a giant group of people decide to share property, and own a large area of land, and everyone in that land agrees to pay a percentage of their income to provide services and protection?

This ancap system is starting to sound pretty good now

>>129833272
This

>>129822326
Indeed. Some wars are righteous.

Someone rope this cunt.

>>129851903
And wouldn't you know, it's all VOLUNTARY, unlike a certain system I think you're trying to compare it to.

>>129851903
It could potentially happen, yes. If you're leading to a "this is a state" path, then let me clarify something first.

In your example the association is voluntary, unlike the state.

In your example the terms of said association are limited by contractual obligations subjected to third party arbitration, unlike the state.

In your example, the migration impact of this level of decentralization would be quite minor, unlike the state.

There's a reason we oppose the one-world-government narrative, it wants to increase the migration impact so you can't realistically escape the state's grasp. Maximum decentralization, on the other hand, reduces the migration impact, allowing for more forms of governance to flourish.

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>>129852144
I like you guys. Keep up the good work.

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>>129851479
>>129850076

>>129819200
>average joe faggot
Slavery plus dept.

>>129852144
>>129852276

Okay and what if they start violating the NAP and make it not voluntary?

You do realise that the "state" is a group of individual citizens right?

>>129852431
anybody who gets into debt while there is no central bank is a complete moron

>>129852488
then those who witness the nap violationa and dont like it will try to punish them.

>>129818388
So the meaning of freedom is the person with the most money owns everything?

>>129852629
So exactly what we have now then?

>>129852669
if everyone else sells everythign to him yes.

>>129852697
we dont really have a laws based on the nap, aside from that yes,

>>129852488
>Okay and what if they start violating the NAP and make it not voluntary?
They violate the terms of agreement, all bets are off, BETA UPRISING NOW.

>You do realise that the "state" is a group of individual citizens right?
A certain portion of which are allowed to steal and threaten violence, which presumably our ancap collective wouldn't have.

States didn't form from mutually-respecting, NAP abiding contracts, but rather from legitimization of violence by a central power, if you're trying to argue that such an agreement would inevitably devolve into such a horrible thing as a state.

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>>129818388

>>129852948
>Punished anon, a man denied his morals

>>129852739
An anarchist society would eventually turn into a feudal state based around the individuals that have the most power.

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>>129852669
>own nothing in a state
>can't do anything
>own nothing without a state
>can't do anything
By Jove, I think we figured something out! Resources give you possibilities!

Really incisive there.

>>129852488
They would need to face other people's security insurances.

To achieve the level of legitimacy for crime that the state currently has you need centuries of violent subjugation. If they were successful in imposing their law through violence, they would have revolts constantly.

>You do realise that the "state" is a group of individual citizens right?

The state is a compulsory territorial monopoly of force and jurisdiction. Individual citizens are subjected to bidirectional principles, if you can't have a gun then I can't have a gun, the state isn't.

>>129853114
You have no idea what your talking about

>>129853114
you know people dont have to sell him everything.

>>129853184
Good rebuttal

>>129853345
Who's going to stop someone hiring a group of goons to take it by force. It would be against capitalism to break up a monopoly and you would need your own force to anyway.

>>129853114
Yeah, no one could ever be hired, to do a job for someone else, no, you'd just want child sex slaves writing high end software, entertainment, and other various high skill endeavors!

Oh wait, with our technological advances, you can't get by having your economy driven by rural and suburban retard serfs!

>>129818388
Because you are not white? Right got it, back to Africa

>>129853471
people who are not part of that group of goons and dont like the nap violation.

>>129818388
get off pol kike

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>>129821276
Businesses are capable of building their own infrastructure like offices and manufacturing plants. They're capable of maintaining roads because it's in their best interest to do so. Without roads, people wouldn't be able to reach their businesses and the market would fail.

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>>129853114
Exactly. It would allow the peaceful transition to a decentralized collection of free city nation states made up of Arcology structures.

>>129853592
Oh, their feels are going to stand in the face of military might are they?

>>129853696

>when you gotta work for your food

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>>129818388
libertarianism might as well be the Communism of the right side of the spectrum

Sounds really fucking good on paper but doesn't translate into reality well
>Former Libertarian here

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>>129818388
Never forget

>>129853786
maybe theior feels are supported by a bigger military

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>>129818388

>>129825247
the Uber-police

>>129818388
Yeah, nigger? Tell me how you're better off trading with people who have a territorial interest in fucking you over so they can overtake you and destroy you.

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>>129853696
lol, this one is actually positive.

>>129853786
Turns out literally everyone else might have military too.

This is about as stupid as a question as, "If China had all the nukes, what could the other nations do, I mean come on, nations are stupid, see it's all might-makes-right!" (Yes, I know that isn't a question, but I know where you're going with this.)

If theoretically, this goon squad had all the military might in the world, yes, no one could stop them. Same if you did have states.

Your stupidity violated the NAP and killed some of my brain cells.

>>129853907
rather: pay an amount of money i tell you to pay. you ahve no way of negotiating the amount of money i demand. In return, i give you soemthing you may want or not want.

>>129853850
So basically a ancap society needs a base of moral people to work. Unfortunately selfishness is the strongest drive in most people.

>>129818388

Anarcho-capitalism is basically batmans utility belt.
A plot device that only really works in very controlled environments where anything you imagine can be so.

>>129854218
not everyone is selfish, otherwise we wouldnt have taxes. however a selfless person ironically wants to be surrounded by as amny selfless people as possible.

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>>129853907

>>129854218
Not when every neighborhood is covered by private security and violations of the NAP lands you the destruction of your reputation

>>129851740
Yeah it's called feodalism you fat fuck

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>>129851650
>Purity
Arbitrary and meaningless principles by which people should think and act according to your own beliefs
>Militarism
"we love the military rah rah rah" please neck yourself.

>>129854218
Their selfishness would lead them to purchase property there where it is safe and engage in contractual obligations to be defended.

Nothing more selfish than the instinct of self-preservation.

>>129854218
>wants to live in freedom
>selfless to uphold freedom
I think the term you're looking for is, "has enough agency and brain cells to see where letting someone violate the NAP will go."

>>129854552
is a soccer club where you have a coach whom the players listen to feudalism? there is clearly hierarchy, but its not involuntary and its not feudalism.

k

>>129854237
Kek, pretty much.

>>129854508
>could
any proof of this lol
oh right there is only a theory and dumb one at that

>>129854552
>An orchestra is feudalism
>A doctor ordering a nurse to give him a scalpel is feudalism

"anarcho"-brainlets

>>129854321
If you weren't punished for tax evasion everyone would do it. And btw, taxes wouldn't be necessary if the state printed it's own money instead of borrowing it from a Jewish private bank. So they exist because of selfishness

>>129821845
Welfare states always fail, friendo.

>>129836189
This, these ancapistani are all rootless colonials

>>129854793
>This absolute lack of economic understanding

If there weren't taxes then who would use a currency that is constantly losing value?

Taxes is what gives fiat currency value, the compulsory use of the currency.

>>129854321
i wanted to say: a sellfish person wants to be surrounded by selfless people.

>>129854793
We're the ones who want to end the fed. It's a private organization masked as a government organization that """stimulates""" the economy while generating private profit. This is a violation of the NAP.

>>129854935
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV_O1-wQUlA

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>>129854783
>there's no proof that the free market provides services better than governments!
Hmmm.

I wonder if there is a system in which the government controls the market, thus providing all services, which always fails.

If only. Well, I guess we'll have to wing it!

>>129851145
Proudhon “Anarchism" is just collectivism, no connexions.

>>129854783
>any proof of this lol

Yes, the fact that if the state provided better service than private companies they wouldn't need to tax you or limit their competition. You would purchase their services voluntarily.

>>129855217
>>129855343
>there's no proof that the free market provides services better than governments!
no, there is no proof as something like anarcho capitalism could exist you plebian. Its just a shit system that even cavemen could tell was shit. At least communism was tried and failed, but your shit won't even get of the ground and crash. kek

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>>129819200
Imagine big mansions with fences and guns surrounded by bums starving to death
That is about it, They already tried in South Africa

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"Non-aggression" = oh you're a fucking faggot. Got it.

>>129836879
>Implying you're 6 gorillionth reich will get within 20 miles of my property property and you can put a dint in my PDF™

>>129855284
So you made up your own term? Because Proudhon was the first self-proclaimed anarchist.

Archon comes from Greek, and it was used to describe the chief magistrates of ancient Greece city states. Notice how the potter and his apprentice weren't archon, the politician/ruler was.

>>129855455
Fantastic arguments.

HOLY FUCK PEOPLE SUCK THE JEWISH PROPAGANDA ON ANCAPS

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>>129855455
>no, there is no proof as something like anarcho capitalism could exist you plebian.
It's economically sound, and contains no artificial consensus. It's sound in so many ways that it's laughable you can't see. Statists are so fucking stupid.

>Its just a shit system that even cavemen could tell was shit. At least communism was tried and failed, but your shit won't even get of the ground and crash. kek
t. brainlet.

>>129818388
OP is retard, all white ancap utopia is the best.

>>129854512
If you really cared about the destruction of one's reputation, you wouldn't be an-cap, that's the highway to social ostracism

>>129855651
>Goes around aggressing on peaceful people
>Haha faggots

Yet another nigger brainlet

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>>129855929
It would be the best, but the "all white" part is icing on the cake.

If the invisible hand shows that whites are where the profit is, it will happen naturally, and you won't even have to violate the NAP!

>>129855973
No it means shit bussiness practises give you a shitty reward

>>129829432
"Open borders" is the state forcing you to open your doors. most of us want borders and don't want shitskins ruining everything.
https://mises.org/library/open-borders-are-assault-private-property
https://mises.org/sites/default/files/11_1_1_0.pdf

>>129855771
>Fantastic arguments.
all an cap arguments are based in fantasy
>Statists are so fucking stupid
>Statist
lmao, sick burn kid
>t. brainlet.
does it hurt that your stupid crap can only exist in your LARP fantasy mind?

>>129855651
>this faggot lives in a state which has a monopoly on violence
>LARPs as a nazi online to feel better about not being able to crack down on shitskins with his fellow man
You too could get rid of the nasty shitskin, violating the NAP if you just stop being a filthy statist you dribbling retard.

The only thing stopping you is the fucking state and yet you are offended when people suggest the state isn't in your best interest and a stateless system would be better.

God, the fucking retardation of fagscists.

>>129856134
No it's not. State comes between you and people you want to employ that are outside of state boundaries. It's enforced by taxpayer money and the land claims are illegitimate. Borders are statism, don't call yourself an anarcho-capitalist if you support them, just switch to white nationalism, sounds like it's more to your speed.

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>>129856688 (Checked)
Doubles dont negate the fact that's a honeypot

>>129818388
B-but I want an ideology that's simple and let's me reiterate bottled talking points really loud and angry like! Striving for personal success is tough... it's much easier to wear my white badge because it's just like *I* walked on the moon and did that stuff. Btw check out the chiseled Aryan jawline on this picture of a Norwegien model. That represents me, a white person. Same goes for this picture of buzz Aldrin and also Julius Caesar.

>>129856688
wrong thread socialist scum.

>>129856506
>Borders are statism

Borders are private property.

You're nobody to tell people who they should and shouldn't invite in their property. The disappearance of the state would result in absolute private property, which would lead to some borders being open, and most borders being closed.

>>129856688
niggers, jews, spics, arabs, faggots, commie scum
Wont matter if the government wasn't so shit

>>129856798
I meant state borders. You know what I mean.

How do you AnCaps go about implementing your ideology? Like lets say for instance, Luxembourg or whatever became anarchist, how would anarchism work with world governments still around?

>>129818388
>MUH RACE
>MUH ECONOMY

There is a middle road in civic economic nationalism.

>>129856506
>Borders are statism
So if a man walks into my home and I try to stop him, I'm being statist?

Wow, such a retarded statement. Borders are statism when they are legitimized by state power.

If me and my fellow private land owners decide that shitskins aren't allowed on our property, we are enforcing a border, but it isn't statist, and it is fully within our control, unlike a state's border where the population could totally want them closed, but (((the state))) decides diversity is strength!

The natural state of private property is bordered. People inherently don't want people waltzing into their domain and taking their shit. We're territorial animals.

>>129826839
I see no problem with intellectual property being stolen especially with patents. When a company or a private person don't have the capability to establish and produce their new invention, they shouldn't have the monopoly on that invention, because it wouldn't be efficient without the competition. A company with patent could just do nothing and wait until someone wants to buy the patent for a horrendous price. Overall it would only slow down technological progress and gives companies muh ebil monopoly on a certain product.

>>129856909
>Republitards
>Thinking they have ANY authority on Economics
Oh wew fucking lad

www.forbes.com/sites/.../2012/.../want-a-better-economy-history-says-vote-democrat/

>>129857075
I meant state borders you fucking tard. Why would I argue against private borders as an ancap. Use your brain for once.

>>129856506
Borders are not statism. Property borders absent the state would be more exclusive and more discriminatory than our current "closed" state borders.

Grow up or go back.

>>129857117
>unarchived shill https://archive.is/9eKVD

>>129856895
first we need to create some kind of law book based on the nap.
then we need to convince the normal people to follow them. we could do this by creating a religion based on the nap or by straigth telling people that a person who is against a nap based law system is aggresive and should be eliminated for the good of the individual.

>>129856895
>Infiltrate the government
>minimize it as much as possible
>Once government minimised commence physical removal of the state and communists
>No more government
>No more commies
>capitalist utopia

>>129857131
>>129857075
>>129856798
I swear to god I'm talking to a bunch of monkeys, here. The discussion on "open borders" always happens in the context of a STATE. STATE borders. No one is arguing for the abolition of private property borders and no ancap has ever did. Stop being so dense.

>>129818388
I used to be AnCap but that meme has turned me into a Nazi. Is that really what AnCap is? Holy shit. National socialism seems a lot better.

>>129836879
You tread in comment sections nigger get real

>>129857144
Ayy norway archive I love u man keep it up

>>129857126
The guy you originally replied to: >>129856134

Was obviously not talking about state borders.

>>129857236
>>129857225
So like a AnCap version of the Protocols of Zion?

>>129857126
The only reason to abolish state borders is to create even more exclusive well funded border security.

Open borders is a subversion of property rights. It's globalist propaganda aimed at Libertarians.

>>129857359
i dont know what the protocols of zion are about.

>>129857259
Stop calling it open borders then retard. Open borders is forced integration. It's statism of a different global regime than our current state regime. You're trading our countries borders for the nwo's borders.

>>129857343
The image I replied to clearly was. There is no question of opening private borders.


>>129857379

No it's not. State borders are statism. They are government subsidized. They come between employee and employer and prevent travel to and between unowned land.

>>129857543
i have no problems with non white who follow the nap.

>>129857576
>State borders are statism.
I'll have to agree with the lad on this one.

>>129857543
Another Hoppe-reading dumbass who can't think for himself. Forced integration is not a thing and it's not something that happens with immigrants only. You are "forced" to integrate with every citizen also. Only PP borders are legitimate.

>>129856880
>>129857259
>The discussion on "open borders" always happens in the context of a STATE. STATE borders
>>129829432
>Libertarinism does equal open borders

You were speaking in a context of libertarianism, not in the context of a state. Stop being disingenuous.

It's okay if you didn't word it correctly but stop pretending you didn't write what you wrote.

>>129857781
>>129857612
Private borders are not "open borders". It's literally been the socialist agenda for decades to open the borders and have a global state. Go back globalists.

>>129857927
No shit. We are talking about libertarianism. Why would an ancap advocate for opening private borders? That doesn't make any sense. That debate has always been about state borders.

>>129858056
Why would an ancap argue at all about state borders, when the ancap wants nothing at all to do with a state?

>>129858040
Open borders means no state borders. Not "no private borders". No state borders also does not mean globalism. If you haven't noticed there is an anarcho label in the flag which means no state.

>>129818388
>Non-agression

>Physical removel

Ancaps are such ancaps.

>>129858197
Physical removal is needed to establish our ideology

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>>129820257
>where market failures go unchecked
Are you legally retarded? Based on your misconceptions about capitalism, I take it you form your views from viewing/reading fiction portraying ungoverned societies as monopolistic dystopias, rather than using facts and evidence to form an opinion.

>>129857781
>Forced integration is not a thing and it's not something that happens with immigrants only

Here you're contradicting yourself, if it isn't a thing, then how can it happen with more than immigrants?

Forced integration IS a thing, and it doesn't happen with immigrants only.

>>129858187

So we disagree on what open borders means, okay, we're getting somewhere then.

To me, open borders means unrestricted immigration and complete freedom of movement. Nothing to do with anarcho capitalism.

And so the flag wars begin...

>>129857236

>Once government minimised commence physical removal of the state and communists
>Commies just tankroll you, because they are united and you will be too busy bitching about who gets more children to fuck.
>Bolsheviks take over the country.

It's literally February vs October.

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>>129858312
NazBol will come out on top.

>>129858187
Open borders has never been about freeing anyone. You're welcoming the Zog with open arms.

>>129858197
NAP isn't pacifism.

>>129858258

Physically removing non-violent communists is also one of the myriad of the things being advocated in this thread full of crypto-nazis that isn't in anarcho-capitalist. What is more using state power to it is definitely not in it.

You can throw off anyone you want out of your PP though, that's an entirely different matter.

>>129858307

Unrestricted immigration and complete freedom of movement IS anarcho-capitalism. You can go anywhere as long as it's not PP.

>>129858258
>Physical removal is needed to establish our ideology

Literally the same shit communists said. And yes, they have had better regulation of "le individual" goatfuckers that would bring the whole nation down for couple of shekels.

>>129858197
Threats of violence justify violence.

Taxation is theft at gunpoint.

Statists are literally threatening everyone around them with their political affiliation.

THUS free helicopter rides.

>>129858436
>ZOG
You should have dropped that earlier so I knew not to waste my time with you.

>>129858197
Physical removal in the context of private property means being evicted from your property due to contract breach.

Physical removal of democrats and communists would be a necessary provision in the contract of a libertarian community.

>>129858439
>You can go anywhere as long as it's not PP.

So, realistically, nowhere, because public property would disappear.

>>129858279
So what facts and evidence do you have in support of an ideology that has never been tried, maybe except for the 3rd world?

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>>129858498
forgot image

>>129858593
Anywhere that isn't owned or any place that the owner has consented you to be there.

>>129858653

Stateless socities has existed before in Medieval Iceland and Ancient Ireland.

AnCap is a racist social construct.

>>129858498

>Threats of violence justify violence.

aaaand that's what antifa use with their "bash the fash" ideology. Only then you, faggots, of course, cry about "freedom of speech".

Hypocritical bastards.

>Taxation is theft at gunpoint.

>(((coercion))) by companies is not theft

>Statists are literally threatening everyone around them with their political affiliation.

Yeah yeah, and men are threatening women by having a cock. Remove yourself from gene pool already.

>THUS free helicopter rides.

For you, mate.

>>129858716
> and that's what antifa use with their "bash the fash"

i ahve no problem about fashist being beaten

>>129858716
>coercion by companies
>nature is opressing me by forcing me to work

>>129858716

I want even mention that by his logic, commies have right to outright kill every lolbertarian, because it's justified by threats.

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>>129858506
If I woulda called it the nwo you'd accept it as valid. I'm just calling it what it is. I don't see how any self proclaimed anarchist is not worried about the global Union of states.

Go back to /liberty/.r_black_and_gold or whatever faggot hellhole you came from.

>>129858884

>nature is opressing me by forcing me to work

Mate, look how Heemeyer was driven to build the killdozer, and then shut the fuck up.

>>129858890
They can't kill us if they don't know we're threatening them.

>>129844360
>only states give enough power to bad people so they can harm others on mass
Some nigger slits your throat with a broken bottle and steals your wallet. How exactly did the state help him do it?

>>129825247
Absolutely nothing if they all consent.

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>>129858716
>im poor and i am controlled in every aspect in life so i am forced to join military or die so when i invade ancapistan and get inevitably destroyed because i have severely inferior technology and only power due to shitty mass soldiers i will get slaughtered alongside my comrades but that's still better then life at home dying in a ditch

>>129858716
>>129858890
Okay, actually being serious here; that's why it's important we win. It's a race.

>>129858890
they are violatring the nap first

>>129859006
Rothbard was wrong. I've already told you this, the same principle applies to everyday citizens as well, not just immigrants. The streets are publicly owned so they don't reflect the wishes of anyone. Supporting borders is statism.

>>129859036

Weak bait, commie.

>>129858713
Nice.
How does any of that apply to modern societies, especially in countries with a population over 100 million people?

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>>129819200
Are you familiar with sex slaves and recreational nuclear weapons? Don't worry, you will be. Also, forget everything you know about roads.

>>129858713
>Anywhere that isn't owned or any place that the owner has consented you to be there.

I understand if you're speaking from the perspective of the first homesteaders in a newly discovered continent, but in the current context, disappearance of the state would result in the eventual disappearance of unowned land, which would then lead to absolute lack of free movement.

>>129858890
We would leave them alone if they wanted to leave us alone too. There's a difference between reactive violence and gratuitous violence.

>>129858716
>aaaand that's what antifa use with their "bash the fash" ideology. Only then you, faggots, of course, cry about "freedom of speech".
Do antifa have helicopters? No? Well then there's nothing to worry about.

Companies do not coerce anyone to buy products.

Men do not coerce anyone with their penises (unless you happen to be a rapist).

FREE HELICOPTER RIDES

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>>129859006
>Corporation owning the land decides to import shitskins en masse.

>B-BUT THAT"S NOT THE SAME AS OPEN BORDERS.

Lolbertarians are a joke.

Not to mention

>Every piece of land in a country owned by some person, group or corporation.

Gee, what can possibly go wrong.

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>>129859260
>Rothbard was wrong.
Get out of here nigger-lover. Go vote for kokesh you globalist libertien faggot.

>>129859324
>Are you familiar with sex slaves

i dotn think the nap allows this

>>129849738
Now this, this is some quality meme material.
10/10
bretty good. saved and would meme again. ANCAP's BTFO'd

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>>129824924
the only failure of the market and capitalism is "overproduction"

that is why collectivism and different socialistic totalitarian systems emerged

>>129859291
What does the population have to do with anything?

>>129859330

This is a weird argument for an ancap to make. The scarcity of land is a problem with every version of property rights. There is an insane amount of unowned land in America.

>>129859450

Nice argument you low IQ obese person.

>>129859470
Take it up with the justice system. And get the fuck off my property.

>>129859401
>Instead he thinks it's better if one person owns all the land.
What if the Fuhrer goes full kike? What if he decides he really likes shitskins and says you can't use hatespeech, or discriminate against them?

>>129859401
>oh no freedom is inconvenient because reasons
get fucked m8.

Hippity hoppity, get off my property.

>>129859539
im not on your property

>>129859260

>Weak bait, commie.

I, at least, know how the """voluntarily""" part turns out in real life. We have had the country run on the """coercive voluntarism""" principle.

>>129859608
Oh yeah? Prove it.

>>129859608
Yeah, that's right, you're on MY property.

So get off it.