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Why do Repukelicans vote against their own economic interests?

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>>129816328

Explain to me how higher taxes are in my interests.
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>>129816328
4 TEH LULZ
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Same reason they don't vote to be dispossessed (any more)
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leaf spam thread
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>>129816328
>Why do Repukelicans vote against their own economic interests?
Why do white democrats vote against the interests of their own people?
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>>129816328
Because stealing from others is wrong and they have a conscience.
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>>129816774
And rascism and judging others by how dark their skin is wrong too but Repukelicans arnt moral about that are they now !
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>>129816467
14 year old edge lords don't pay tax so you don't have anything to worry about
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>>129817048
Why should they if the dems refuse to as well?
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Because a welfare state and open borders is in my economic interests. Fuck off.
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>>129816328
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Because poor white people = our vote.
And poor minorities = democratic party votes.
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>>129817966
>Hitler built the Berlin Wall
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they dont

u fucking cock gobler
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>>129817055
kek
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>>129817966
Is the text in that image real? Hitler didn't build the Berlin Wall, Stalin had it built to keep East Germans from fleeing to West Germany.
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>>129816328
This is just a variation of "why aren't I 50 points ahead??"
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>Republicans still view the US as a nation state where the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, where they are willing to short term individual benefit for long term national interest

>Democrats are only interested in AY YO GIBS ME DAT

really makes you think
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Because Democrats don't sell the benefits to them the way they do the cities. Infrastructure, health care, 'dem programs for the youth. They never champion raising taxes to increase rural infrastructure, small business loans focused on rural areas, better schools, etc

They offer absolutely nothing.

So to your average joe blow who doesn't live in a city, all they hear is "raise taxes to benefit everyone but you, and yes it will increase outsourcing of manufacturing and shit you people rely on to survive, but it's for the greater good!". So, they are left with two choices, support programs for everyone else, or hope that lower tax rates will spur trickle down economics for their communities through manufacturing and stuff.

Democrats really need to focus on reaching out to the LARGE population of rural whites, and offer educations and investments for them to succeed in the modern economy.

Computer science and programming is literally 'any idiot can do it', tier. They should offer incentives for tech megacorps to expand into the midwest and train workers in exchange for tax cuts.
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>>129816467
So that when you finally get diabetes from drinking three 2 liters of Mountain Dew a day you aren't hundreds of thousands of debt in medical bills kek
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>>129816328
>implying socialist policies are in anyones economic interest
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>>129816328
"Against their own their own interests"
?????
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>>129817997
Hey, I've got a crazy idea- what if poor people got together as a group- now hear me out- and ignored racial differences and just voted based on their collective similarities and improving them?
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>>129816328
Libfags explain why they post the same shitty bait thread every day!
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>>129818822
/thread
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>>129816328

A vast majority of conservatives are rural and suburban retards, their low IQ stops them from realizing they are voting against their own interests.
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>>129819000
clinton foundation assasins dispatched to get u
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>>129819342
in the delusional mind of the lazy commy
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>>129816328

They don't
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>>129817048

Actually the Democrats have a pretty lengthy history of being pro-slavery, pro-segregation, pro-KKK...

Come back when you're not an idiot

(I'm telling you to leave forever)
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>>129816328
Because despite republican neoliberalism, republicans at least don't actively shit on white working class, calling them morons, inbreds and useless, and cheering their death, like the democrats do.

It's an identity politics thing.
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Is this /pol/'s equivalent of /a/'s "I'll post this [fish] every day until you like it" thread?

Cause it's starting to piss me off that other more variable threads are being slid because of this shit.
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>>129819342
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>>129818822
>providing for the many instead of serving corporate concentrations of wealth is NOT in your bests interests
Got it
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>>129819765
>providing for the many
>implying this actually happens
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>>129819747
Valuable*
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>>129818766
I love paying high taxes to fund the lifestyle of the sloth and shameless. Paying the 100 mil + for the Trump Russia investigation is money well spent. We should get taxed even higher, our politicians need a raise
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>>129819677
>Actually the Democrats have a pretty lengthy history of being pro-slavery, pro-segregation, pro-KKK...
...And then the rest of history happened. You're right, Lincoln was a republican. This thread is about politics after the invention of the light bulb
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Principles are by nature not whimsical
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Because republicans are retards. And as temporarily embarrassed millionaires, they're more afraid of minorities than the people who run their lives.

>>129816774
Then why aren't they all ancaps? check mate
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>>129819000
I love how college kids think only the government can improve people's lives. People are just worthless idiots who are unable to better themselves right? Once you actually get a job, start paying a mortgage, your car note, car insurance, health insurance, property insurance, property tax, federal income tax, state income tax, and SS Medicare tax, you might start feeling a bit different about so much of your money lining others pockets
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They vote "against their self interests" because people like you presume to know what their self interests are.
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>>129816764
Republicans do
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>>129821172
Pretty sure having less immigrants and paying less taxes is in their interest, pedro.
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>>129816328
>being canadian
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>>129816328
WHY DO ALL THESE SLIDE THREADS STAY AT THE VERY TOP.

fuck this site, this chink sold it out and changed the code.
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>>129816328
Well the democratic platform is universal poverty so easy to take an 'against' position.
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>>129820863
>I love how college kids think only the government can improve people's lives
Yeah, it's not like first world countries with a more extensive welfare state also have a higher standard of living, with less poverty and crim- oh wait.

>>129820992
Affordable healthcare and higher education? Paid parental leave? Democrats are just better at running the economy, and them's the facts.
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>>129821646
does that account for the QE PRINTING STIMULUS that made most economic models completely useless?
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>>129820863
>college kid
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Dude, I'm 30. I pay my taxes and my car has been paid for ages ago.

How is it you can't fathom a working adult who thinks of his fellow man and country?
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Republicans want jobs so they can work for a living. Democrats want handouts so they can sit on their ass for a living. Lefties get confused about the job part and think as long as a person gets money for food, housing, a phone, etc. that they should be happy. Republicans need meaning in their lives, earning what they have is part of that. Democrats can't understand this so they think Republicans are stupid for not just sitting around collecting welfare.
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>>129821646

>Affordable healthcare and higher education? Paid parental leave? Democrats are just better at running the economy, and them's the facts.


Yeah keep telling the peasants that they don't know whats good them, its been working so well for your side so far.
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>>129819000

Two problems with that.

1) Poor whites want dignity in the form of jobs and not being culturally abused. Poor nonwhites want gibesmedats and privileges like affirmative action and racial quotas. Their interests are not aligned.

2) You can change your economic status, but you can't change your race. As a result, race will always be a stronger identifying factor than class.
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>>129821362
Republicans aren't actually better at keeping down immigration, bucko. See pic related.

>>129821583
Which is why red states are the poorest?

>>129822063
>''hurr i'd rather have tax cuts for billionaires than be able to send my kids to college''
>''durrr why should healthcare be a right when mr. shekelstein could buy his 5th yacht instead''

What part of what I mentioned isn't actually good for the people?
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>>129819677
Implying anything has changed. Democrats do more harm to minorities than any other group in power has ever done. There's a reason blacks in particular continue to suffer despite being under Democrat's rule for a long time.
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>>129822561
>What part of what I mentioned isn't actually good for the people?

There are very few objectively "good" things for all people everywhere at all times, "good" is a subjective metaphysical concept when paired with values. People with certain value systems will gladly turn down things that other people with different might find essential. If you cant empathize, not even necessarily sympathize, with value systems contrary to your own, then of course they will vote against you, time and again.
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Because Reds are less JEWED than the blues
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>>129823329
>"good" is a subjective metaphysical concept when paired with values
At the core of it it's all subjective, yes, which is why we need to find common ground in order to have a productive discussion. If you don't think affordable healthcare, education, and paid parental leave are worth striving for, then go ahead and vote republican. What do you value instead?
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>>129816328
yo fuck all you whites nomatter what party you wit. All yall wanna keep a black man down.
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>>129823469
Interesting, perhaps this is due to rural lifestyle differences?
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>>129821646
This 'higher standard of living' meme is a load of horseshit. It's a completely made up abstract concept incapable of proper measurement. I've lived in the US, the U.K., and Italy, and I promise that the 20% VAT and higher taxes in Europe does not give you a higher standard of living. Everything is more expensive and jobs pay less
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>>129822561
I'm not saying jews aren't evil but keeping the poorest people in poverty is the founding principle of the democratic platform. Are you saying the democrats might one day eliminate the social programs that create their voting base?
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>>129816328

Seriously though. Do you jerk off while people beat you senseless in these threads six times a day?
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>>129822561
People want to work, make their own money, keep it, and spend it how they want.
How is this difficult to grasp?
They don't want to be a slave for 6 months out of the year so the government can give their money to some fat fuck with diabetes.
They want to buy their own healthcare.
They want to be independent.
Dem policies are only in the interest of low skilled immigrants and college kids that need a replacement mommy and daddy.
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>>129821878
So it's patriotic to fund politicians and wars? With views like that are you sure you belong to the right political party?
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>>129824022
>People want to work

Then when will republicans start to work as hard as democrats?
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>richest country in all history
>cant get 2 weeks of work a year
>infrastructure ugly as all hell
>school expansions in my area are trailer buildings
They got us. The Jews did it.
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>>129824323

>alabama
>mississippi
>republican
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>>129816328
Murica is a two party system, and both parties are out to fuck the white working class. Better raped by plutocrats, than raped, killed, and eaten by the Democrats' niggers.
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>>129823617

When you vote for a political party, you aren't just buying one or two things that you like off the menu, now are you? I also think those three items you just listed are more complicated than simply being for or against.
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>>129824323
I'm sure this has nothing to do with niggers
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>>129824323
Nigger states work less than Jew states
hmmm
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>>129816328
It's presumptuous to state what any individual's interests are, when this is a subjective value.
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>>129823815
The idea of 'poverty' is abstract in itself, but it refers to something real.

>incapable of proper measurement
Then how do we determine whether Iceland is a better country to live in than South Africa? Since living standard is something that can't be properly measured.

>The standard of living includes factors such as income, quality and availability of employment, class disparity, poverty rate, quality and affordability of housing, hours of work required to purchase necessities, gross domestic product, inflation rate, amount of leisure time every year, affordable (or free) access to quality healthcare, quality and availability of education, life expectancy, incidence of disease, cost of goods and services, infrastructure, national economic growth, economic and political stability, political and religious freedom, environmental quality, climate and safety.

Better go with 'muh feels' and laugh at yuropoors instead.

>>129823835
>keeping the poorest people in poverty is the founding principle of the democratic platform
[citation needed]

>>129824022
>People want to work, make their own money, keep it, and spend it how they want.
Which is why republicans are all ancaps.

>They don't want to be a slave
So when are you going to go galt?

>They want to be independent
And 'independent' in this case means working longer hours for less pay, with no mandated parental leave, more than 2 weeks vacation, or guaranteed healthcare and higher education? phew
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>>129816328
why do libshits vote against their own interests on trade, immigration?
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>>129817048
>rascism and judging others by how dark their skin is wrong
Prove it
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>>129816328
Oh Jesus fucking christ. I think you are retarded. DID YOU KNOW... That raising the min pay will basically render every single pay raise previously earned as useless? Since, yknow, it will be raised higher anyway. And then the prices will inflate to match the new min wage, so they will be fucking worse off again.

I love when American Democrats screech about raising the min wage. Note none of them rely on a min wage job to live, most of them live off of daddy money so it means nothing to them.
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>>129825296
>And 'independent' in this case means not taking other peoples shit for nothing?

yes
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>>129818461
Probably bait but the Berlin wall was built almost a decade after Stalin's death.
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>>129818766
I work out 8 hours a week and compulsively count calories and macronutrients, faggot. I'm trying really hard to stay in shape so that I don't end up paying exorbitant medical bills. Why the fuck should I pay for some fat cunt's Mountain Dew addiction or some nignog's crack habit?
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>>129825353
Are you asking he prove a moral position?
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>>129823711
My guess would be that it's based on the massive agriculture subsidies given out to farmers who mostly reside in red states. Just another form of welfare, really.
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>>129816328
The presumption that you know the first thing about me, much less what my INTERESTS are, is laughable. How dare you? You don't know any of us or what we believe or how we prioritize our interests or what even those interests are.

In fact, the very fact that you constantly repeat "rural and suburban retards" is proof of that. I'm nor rural or suburban, I'm a TIG welder in San Francisco. I know what my interests are, that's why I'm retiring at 35. Who in the sam fucking hill are you to tell me my interests, or to call me names? You don't know the first fucking thing about me that I didn't just tell you.

The arrogance. That's what gets me. The extreme arrogance of the Democrat to think that YOU know what is best for us. With all due respect, you sure didn't know what was best for Pennsylvania, and the election proved that decisively. You want to enforce your vision of the economy and the culture on everyone else--we want to be left alone, which is why I will NEVER, NEVER vote for a Democrat in my life, not if the Republicans run Paul fucking Ryan or Jeb in earnest next election, not if they run Mitt fucking Romney, because nothing those psychopaths want could even BEGIN to compare to what the Democrats would do if they held power again. They're talking about a 15% income tax hike plus more payroll and sales taxes now--is that in my fucking interests? Please explain how if so. How is that in my interests? You can't because you don't fucking know me.
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High taxes, high debt, onerous regulation, totally within my economic self-intersts OP.

You had eight years. Are you really going to try to make the case that Obama was good for the working class?
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>>129816328
I have yet to see an argument against image attached
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>>129825785
You're not paying to fund their habits. Your tax dollars go towards helping them break those habits and become productive members of society and contribute to the economy.

If you want to argue that it's ineffective, you can cite why you say so, but that's the concept of welfare. It's a social safety net.
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The only thing liberals know how to do is call people "stupid." They try to be subtle about it and come off like petulant, sophomoric eleven year olds.
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>>129825296
Everything you wrote assumes a homogenous society. You think America qualifies as such?
>political and religious freedom, political stability, climate and safety
Wew we got some concrete things we can get hardline numbers of off now
>class disparity
I mean what the fuck even is this, are they measuring the dalits in India?
>leisure time, hours of work required for x
Jesus Christ how stupid can this get. Hours of work as what. Average of every salary paid (which of course is not published information) divided by collective hours worked by the nation? I mean ffs. Go live overseas and see shit for yourself rather than relying on cooked up horseshit. No country has it spot on, sure the US isn't some kind of utopian ideal, but come on this self hatred just turns you into a miserable prick
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>>129825711
Hey, that's fine. Some of us value more leisure time, opportunities to educate oneself, maybe the ability to take a longer vacation, and not running the risk falling into crushing debt because you got some disease. Others will happily scrape by without any social safety nets so that Goldstein can buy another vacation house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E48QqcTOXeY
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>>129826295

>says the completely unproductive member of society who wants more gibs
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>>129816774
Oh yeah because it would be great not to have a government, police, roads, fire departments, and other things that make life not like Mad Max.
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>>129826558

>muh roads
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>>129819677
Back when they were the reactionaries. Reminder that Lincoln was a critic of wage labor and would thus be called a communist today.
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>>129826295
In a thread of retards you are as downy as they possibly get. Funding them to break their habits? What kind of a bubble do you live in? Please open your veins, you're too stupid for this world
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>>129816328
>raise taxes
>money goes to 4 year university-which not everyone is interested in going to
>money goes to gibs, who are already a net drain on the economy

>all Republicans want is to be left alone and independent
>retardacrats keep insisting they know what everyone else wants
>can't figure out how higher taxes on all classes isn't going to help

Wew lad
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>>129826509
Sure, we'll go with that.

Thanks for the money, pal. Can't wait for more.
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>>129820863
>le everyone who isn't an ancap or tea party nut is a lazy poor college kid with no money or morals meme
hahaha XDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!
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>>129818766
>leaf detected
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>>129826818

I look forward to the day you are lobotomized.

The wheel keeps on turning and turning you worthless faggot.
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>>129826415
>Hours of work as what
>hours of work required to purchase necessities

>No country has it spot on
Nope, but a lot of 1st world countries have it better than the US by metrics such as these.

>this self hatred just turns you into a miserable prick
I don't hate myself, I hate stupid republican policy that benefits a small part of the population at the expense of the great majority.
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>>129816774
Do you understand how a government works? Do you think you just get any level of functionality and structure to your life and society without having to contribute?

Are you even old enough to pay taxes?
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>>129822063
>implying healthcare and education aren't in people's best interest
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flag
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>>129827004
Your mother already fucked my brains out.
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>>129816328
because they're dumb, inbred, autists
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>>129826904

That's pretty much reality though.

You have the career criminals like the Clintons, Boxers, Pelosis, and Schumers, who use the rhetoric, and abuse the useful idiots.

And you have the completely useless Sanders, who have literally accomplished nothing with their lives but collect tax dollars.

And then we have you chimps... Life long tax leaches, who literally cannot be as successful as a socialist, snake oil salesman in Vermont.

Sad.
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>>129827223
>>implying healthcare and education aren't in people's best interest

Already addressed earlier in the thread, I'm not going to repeat my argument just for you.
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>>129827323

Jesus. What are you 12?

This is the liberal ideology in a nutshell.
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>>129823815
We can differentiate between living conditions in South Dakota and living conditions in Paris. It's not completely impossible to grasp. Life expectancy, mortality, education, and other indicators are generally better in Western Europe than in the general USA AFAIK.
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>>129827328
I was about to say something, then I saw your flag.
>>129827429
These people have nothing to reason with, don't even try.
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>>129824022
>They don't want to be a slave for 6 months out of the year so the government can give their money to some fat fuck with diabetes.
By voting Republican, they're ensuring that it'll go to bailing out massive banks that fucked over the common man, or that it'll go to bombing civilians in the Middle East.
>they want to pay for their own healthcare
>implying they can pay for healthcare without getting debt up the ass
Pic related. The results of "paying for your own healthcare"
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>>129827429
I'd rather be 12 than autistic enough to have voted for President Perjury.
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>>129824833
>>129824865
>le nigger meme
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>>129827647

I don't reason with them. I ridicule them.

Rules for Radicals #5.

>"Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
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>>129827223
This is the republicunt mindset. If you'd rather starve than take ''handouts'' then you probably deserve it anyway.
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>>129827634

And who do you think foots the bills so that Western Europe can have its socialist paradise?
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>>129827874

I didn't vote for trump, child, but he certainly hasn't perjured himself, unlike various members of your party.

It must be hard living the life of a useful idiot.
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>>129826790
Are you telling me that's not the concept of welfare?
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>>129828013
>If you'd rather starve than take ''handouts'' then you probably deserve it anyway.

What happened to all that talk about finding consensus through civil dialogue?
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>>129825785
First of all, most people with health issues aren't fat people with soda addictions or le ebin niggers with crack addictions. The great majority of ailing Americans are middle aged or elderly people with expected problems, people with mental illness, or people with things like cancer. What's more, even in cases where someone has a drug habit, leaving them to die on the streets or get hepatitis has terrible costs to society, far more than what people like you complain about when it's revealed you might possibly have to pay to help a countryman.
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>>129817055
These types of responses is why we will have a 2nd trump term.
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>>129828013

Yeah, and it's a complete mystery why.

You know, when you chimps spout this commie retardation, this is what sane people see.
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>>129826509
Not an argument.
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>>129828184
I'm just illustrating why there's a lack of consensus to begin with. As for civility it's not absolutely necessary, as long as you make relevant points.
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>>129825296
>>They want to be independent
>And 'independent' in this case means working longer hours for less pay, with no mandated parental leave, more than 2 weeks vacation, or guaranteed healthcare and higher education? phew

I'm an actual Independent, and I just find both sides thrashing each other to be hilarious... but this shit? This reeks of excuses for being too weak to negotiate a deal you feel worth your time. A job/career is the most simplistic of capital transactions... Your time in exchange for someones dollars, negotiate the value of that time, what the employer will accept in terms of benefits as additional compensation for your time and go to work.. It's really that simple, I recently switched jobs, I refused to accept the position without 3 weeks of vacation and paid covered parking. My time was worth the additional expense to the employer, and I accepted. This is not magic and there need be no mandates. If people demand what they need, the market really does find its level, when everyone discounts their value it causes the downward pressure on the employment market we've previously been experiencing.
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>>129828085
The Western Europeans.
Are you seriously implying that the US pays for foreign countries' social spending?
>>129827342
Literally cherry picking while ignoring the greater numbers of ordinary citizens that support the Democrats.
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>>129828100
>implying that me disagreeing with you makes me a democrat
lmao
>he certainly hasn't perjured himself
Wait till he testifies, bud. I certainly can't. I'm gonna take out some extra welfare that day so that I can stay inside and watch that shitshow.
>unlike various members of "your" party
Assuming you are talking about the Democratic party, I'd love your proof.

But I'm sure I'd be senile enough to think your autism has some truth to it before you came back with evidence that isn't just a Turning Point propaganda poster.
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>>129828351

Oh, lovely, the standard chimp response to anything he can't respond to.

When I was in kindergarten, actual children could argue better than this.

Reagan really should have defunded the Department of Education. Too bad he was another progressive plant.

Oh, I'm sorry, let me translate into your language..

>oogaa boogaa. bix nood. muffugga
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>>129828385

Theres a lack consensus because you're attempting to essentialize very complex topics. Take education for example, am I to assume that you think education is underfunded, and because of that its under performing?
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>>129828385
Who's gonna listen to you if everyone thinks you're just a cunt?

Do you listen to the words of someone you think is just a cunt?
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>>129816328
Why would you care that they are?
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>>129828645
Not an argument
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>>129828616

Honestly, who in the actual fuck do you think you are kidding?

2018 is going to be tough for you. You should probably up your doses.
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>>129828783

>oogaa boogaa
>bix nood
>mufugga
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>>129828645
Poe detected. Yaaaaaaawn.

If only you could take your edge and use it to sharpen up your banter.
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>>129820992
>>129821646
>>129823329
>>129824591
>>129827416
>>129828184
Dude you are PAINFULLY Jewish.
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>>129828984

So basically you're telling us you're fifteen?

I was edgy back then, too.

Don't worry, you'll probably grow out of it.

Probably.

>pls daddy govment, hold me from cradle to grave

What a man.
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>>129822561
Why are red states often "poor"? They're filled with niggers, your voting base.
>conflating immigration from Europe to immigration from fucking ANYWHERE because the demoniggers pushed through immigration (((reform))) in the 60s
Go the fuck back to >>reddit
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>>129820759
>>129821646
>>129822561
>>129823617
>>129825296
>>129826418
>>129827104
>>129828013
>>129828385
Meant for this faggot. Like i said your Judaism is PAINFUL
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>>129826904
Ah I see what is happening here. r/politics is shitting up the board. I was strongly left until the last couple of years. You are your soft-brained ilk did this. You guys jumped the shark with your identity politics and collective hysteria. Now liberals disgust me. I know I'm not alone, lots of us have jumped ship, but tell me, how many republicans do you know who have switched sides recently? You guys are losing the war. You're fevered defending of Muslims (who go against every progressive ideal) and support of men who chop they're dicks off and think that they now know what it means to be a woman, along with the pride that didn't goeth before the fall, has put you into the political nosebleed section. You have a long road ahead of you
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>>129829227
If that's actually your response to being called out as a Poe you're really letting us all down.

>was edgy
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>>129827820
>By voting Republican, they're ensuring that it'll go to bailing out massive banks that fucked over the common man, or that it'll go to bombing civilians in the Middle East
Stop trashing Obama's legacy
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>>129829404
If you were really so put off by some self-hating racist bitches on Tumblr calling themselves democrats that you switched to a party with polar opposite beliefs of the one you were in originally, you have to be the most fickle motherfucker I've ever encountered.

You're better than this, anon.
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>>129818718
You retarded? Yeah, keep that in mind next time the R's vote to strip 10s of millions of health insurance and advance economic policies that only benefit the few at the top.

I can tell that you're a a low information voter. Get cucked, faggot.
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>>129828280
>le anyone who wants higher taxes than me is a commie
Are you that retarded or do you just know you can't win based on facts?

>If people demand what they need, the market really does find its level, when everyone discounts their value it causes the downward pressure on the employment market we've previously been experiencing.
But what happens when the supply of labor is greater than the demand and there's a lack of collective bargaining power? When there's an imbalance in power the ones with power are free to fuck the proletariat in the ass.

>>129828759
>Who's gonna listen to you if everyone thinks you're just a cunt?
Anyone with a normal-sized ego.
>Do you listen to the words of someone you think is just a cunt?
I'm here aren't I?

>>129829051
Hitler wouldn't agree with you that the welfare state is a Jewish conspiracy. But then most of you are just posturing.
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>>129829922
Go to bed, it's a school day tomorrow
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>>129829816
>implying Obama is the one who bailed out the banks
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>>129830106
Poor wee lil baboo got triggered
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>>129829951
>health insurance
>economic policies that only benefit the few at the top
Pick both. You murdered single payer and ran a fraudulent primary, and your party needs to be destroyed for that.
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>>129829231
Republicans have held power since 1965, genius.
>>129829233
Don't you think jews are dominant in the republican party as well? Single payer healthcare isn't a jewish conspiracy, you fucking retard.
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>>129816328
Straw man argument, weak bait. Here's your (You).
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>>129830181
>box nood Obama no did bailout
This is why /pol/ is 18+
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>>129817966
I can't tell if this is fake or not.
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>>129830663
Why do people default to talking like niggers and throwing 144p quality trash talk when they're wrong
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>>129816328
Because there is more than just money in this world you miserable cunt.
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>>129829972

This might be the most pathetic political movement in the history of humanity. At least their forebears did shit.

Now they just shitpost on the internet.
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>>129816328
When will liberals take responsibility for Muslims they imported?
Also the previously stable Muslim countries they bombed by drone strike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pStB7aCT43E
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>>129816328
Even with the elites being in Democrat camp this cycle, Republician voters were richer on average.

Also most of them were white and democrats are anti-white(see Biden's America will be minority white by 2017 and it's a good thing).
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>>129816328
Or maybe they understand their own interests better than you do, given that you're not them, and your ivory-tower condescension is part of the reason the country was sick enough of you to vote Trump?
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>>129829972
>"normal people will listen to cunts"
Do you bother to listen to the grains of truth hidden behind triggered feminists? Or do you just laugh at how autistic they are and call it a day?

You know, I remember when I thought that it was normal to not pay attention to the fact that someone was a douchebag and still take them seriously.

What I'm saying is I used to be a cunt that tried to normalize accepting my cuntishness as okay. Because you know, civility just isn't worth the efficiency it provides in communication.
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>>129829951
Healthcare didn't exist before ACA, everyone knows that. Without ACA, healthcare will cease to exist!
Even the commie thinks you're a retard. Either go the EU model or do nothing, this in between horseshit of forcing me to pay $400 a month for the most substandard healthcare imaginable where I have to pay some ungodly deductible before fat cat insurance companies kick in and even then it's only 50% copay, and then having the gall to fine me $750 if I don't sign up for this scam, yeah that's a great system that needs preserving.

And yes the DNC are a bunch of crooks and fraudsters, you guys stole the primary from Bernie with your bullshit super delegates, top brass actively colluded against him and Donna Brazile gave townhall questions to Hillary during the primary. Shame on your party. And all to elect a corporate war mongering hawk who would have started a nuke war with Russia just for fun
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>>129831303
Arguing usually happens between people who don't agree on something. Sometimes they will think you're a cunt. You should be able to handle people calling you mean words on the internet.

>Do you bother to listen to the grains of truth hidden behind triggered feminists?
Sure. Not that there's much truth to it, but I'll sometimes argue with them. Them being triggered usually makes it more fun.
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>>129831578
Lel, you think it's that simple? You think that if the ACA is repealed that everything will go back to how it was before? Wrong. The ACA has helped millions of people obtain healthcare, and now the uninsured rate is arbitrary historic lows? Is it an imperfect law? Of course, I would much prefer a single payer system. But you know what? At least the Dems did something. The Republicans don't give a shit about low income people, people with preexisting conditions or the chronically
ill.

The Republicans are a bunch of frauds who are owned by the big corporations and their wealthy donors. When was the last time you saw them advocate for a bill that didn't happen to align with the interests of the wealthy? They are a party that has completely whored out to the rich. Meanwhile, on the Dem side, at least still have a group of people still fighting for progressive values (Bernie) and they are steadily gaining more power

Tl;dr: the Dems are the lesser of 2 evils
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>>129825296
>class disparity
>affordable (or free) access to quality healthcare
>political and religious freedom
>environmental quality
>climate
These are all brownie points added to elevate libruls. The entire logic behind them is flawed because it assumes that humans live their life to eat, shit, fuck and sleep and when they don't get those for free in some country, then it must be a shitty country!

The problem is - you don't live the life to be a glutton. You live a life to have ambitions, goals and to achieve them, take risk and sometimes fail at it but despite failing you can still say - I've tried.
Socialist or nanny state makes it harder to achieve any goals. Want to start a company? In Poland(post-socialist state with tons of laws from that period that weren't revoked because the retards who changed the system 28 years ago were too stupid to build new law system from ground up) it will take you filing about 2 kilograms of paperwork and from two weeks to month. And you wanted to have a company, not to work as accountant/lawyer to fill this fucking paperwork! You may be just an ironworker who wants to set up his own workshop and you still have to do all this shit.

The amount of bullshit like this average European experiences is insane, believe me. You may whine about America because you don't get free tendies(you do) but for people who are just little bit above you ambition-wise and who have seen the world, realize that America isn't that bad after all.
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>>129832559
>now the uninsured rate is arbitrary historic lows
>force majority of people to get insurance
>look insurance rates are high!

This is you right now.
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>>129823469
Where do you think most of the military-industrial complex and military bases are located?
In the south, midwest, and western states.
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>>129831966
>Arguing usually happens between people who don't agree on something.

Sure, I've argued protectionism vs. globalism with a close friend of mine, and you wanna know how I got him to understand the value of protectionism?

I certainly didn't get it from shit talking him the moment I found out he didn't agree with me, because I'm not small-minded enough to think that manners don't have importance when you're trying to persuade somebody.

That's why you guys never agree on anything and never get anywhere. You're too busy being edgy, fishing for (You)s, and wishing death upon each other to even give reasoning half the time, let alone acknowledge it's existence towards somebody who doesn't agree with you.

The fact that I have to explain the importance of fucking manners to you is very telling.
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>>129816328
fucking leafs
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>>129832771
Autocorrect. At* historic lows.

You miss the part where I said it's an imperfect law? It's definitely better than Trumpcare. The CBO (Congressional Budget Office) projected that 24M people would lose their health insurance and that the HC market would be thrown in chaos if his plan is enacted.

But yeah, you have no interest in being objective, you just wanna score points against the "libruls"
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>>129833114
Nigga you don't fucking get this.

It's like forcing people to buy dildos and then brag about dildo per capita ratio. Very dishonest rhetoric.

No fucking wonder you use commie flag monkeybrain.
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>>129832911
>The fact that I have to explain the importance of fucking manners to you is very telling.
Context. Trash talk is part of the culture here, it's just something you'll have to deal with.
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>>129833316
You clearly don't understand how the fucking insurance market works. The individual mandate has a clear and useful purpose.

>hurr durr why do I have to be forced to buy something

Stupid polack. Read the law, learn about why it was enacted and educate yourself you ape
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>>129833316
Read.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/national/2017/live-updates/health-care/obamacare-affordable-care-act-definitions/what-is-the-individual-mandate/

You clearly don't understand the ACA. So why are you commenting on things that you don't know about? Fix your shithole country before you interject with your uninformed shit falsehoods.
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>>129833410
>trash talk is part of the culture here
I already understand that, and it still inhibits meaningful discussion. That's my point. It's a detriment to actual progress, and even worse, the culture brainwashes people like you into thinking that it's not actually a negative, destructive facet of speech.
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>>129833316
Do you think that you're just gonna be treated anyways if you fall ill and don't have health insurance? Do you think you'll actually get through that with both your life and your credit score intact?
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>>129816328
>We decide what your interests are whooops looks like your opinions values and principles are all against what we decided is in your best interest ha ha looks like you're just dumb trailer trash :^)
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>>129816328

You party's ultimate goal is white genocide. I like being alive.
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>>129816328
i love these threads because it's just a lefty think tank shill/recon thread, yet they will never learn
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>>129835177
>implying any republicans will ever give a fuck about white genocide

good goy
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>>129816328
It's an catch 22 leafbro, if the democrats had social policies of the republicans I'd vote democrat. If the republicans had economic policies of the democrats I'd vote republican.
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>>129833691
>>129834057
>>129834334
I'll refer to my first post ITT.
>>129832598
I'm 23 and very healthy. I have to pay large part of my salary towards various people. In some cases it wasn't their fault however, large part of my money goes for people who for example - smoked a lot and got a lung cancer. Why can't I have a choice to not be insured for the next 10-15 years(and then pay little bit more than I would have if I insured myself right now, which is okay because I may have an idea how to elevate myself on a level where I won't bother myself with this with the money I've saved) but they have the choice to live a lifestyle that will cause my money to fund their treatment?

Not to mention that the system is and will be imperfect no matter what will you do. With more socialized healthcare(like it is here) you get queues and massive waste of money on every step because of overgrown administration. With ACA or any similar proposal you get insurance costs growing because it kills the way insurance works - it allows you to buy insurance from flood when your basement is already flooded. Alternatively you can set it up so insurance companies rake massive profits and people don't get much in exchange.

Remember what kind of people are you treating too. I'll write about it in the next post.

And then when you compare healthcare spending per capita AND doctor's salaries you'll realize that American healthcare isn't expensive because it's not socialized(like in cucknada or united cuckdom or polant for that matter), but because doctors earn more money, in fact the proportion between healthcare spending between two countries and the salary is usually roughly the same.

tl;dr blame your doctor being a jew for having expensive healthcare
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>>129825790
Reddit fag REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Because - and I know this might sound crazy - not everyone is primarily motivated by money.
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>>129835801
As for the kind of people.

Statistically majority of your insurance money goes for:
>muslims(if you have those) - marriage between first cousins is halal and they don't care about local laws anyway, genetic defects mostly(wonder how is that possible, hmmmm...)
>smokers
>people who overuse(and overdose) alcohol and drugs
>obese people(being obese is a lifestyle, very unhealthy one)
>people who avoid physical activity at all costs
>people drinking 5 coffees every morning, getting heart diseases by their 40
>legit genetically defects - I recall a situation where I've seen a charity event. I've asked what they are collecting money for a kid. He's 6 years old and fighting his 2nd cancer. Tough luck, but it's just his genetics telling the parents that they should cut the loses and try again, he's gonna get a 3rd one in the next 2 years anyway, and then 4th.

If my insurance/healthcare money would go to fund proper eugenic policy(meaning that the expenses will drop as the time goes by) then I can see the reason why should I pay money into this system. As it is now, lol, fuck off.
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>>129816328
Why do Dumbocrats ONLY vote for hand outs?
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>>129825486
that's quite the straw man you've built there, nazi cuck
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>>129825486
Minimal wage is complicated.

The less people earn it, the more effective(economically speaking) raising it is since it means relatively few goods and services will get more expensive and you'll get rid of poverty(to a point). The more people earn it, the less sense it makes to raise it. Which is very counter effective because in situation #1 there won't be enough popular support for raising it and in situation #2 there will be lots of it.
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>>129816467
Because very few end up paying higher taxes
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>Trying to reason with Socialists

If you were faced with a rabid animal, do you try to reason with it?
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>>129819765
>providing for many

Stealing from the many, you mean?
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>>129836430
I don't know how it's in Poland but here and in many other European countries the biggest chunk of expenses comes from gentrification; old people cost the most and the older they are the more they cost.
Even if they're healthy they just live longer and produce more expenses on their final days. Fuck, I myself wouldn't want to live above 70. What gets me the most is that I have to pay into their pension system so they can bitch and moan all day that they don't receive enough.

>"Oh I've worked for 40 years as a housewife now my husband died because he worked his ass off why am I not getting more than the absolute minimum"
Because you and your husband chose to make a 20,000 euro luxury cruise instead of planning for your future. Meanwhile I'm paying into a system which won't exist anymore when I'm old.
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>>129816328
/pol/tuga

https:// .gg/fxQ7nFw

>Put "discord" in the gap, captcha thinks its spam
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>>129816328
Its funny you say that when the left has such inner hatred for me and people like me that I would be voting for my own execution by going with the left.
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>>129816328
>be liberal
>be poor
>vote for benefits
>get some benefits, but rest of the world collapses around you
>your broke but respectable culture is no longer respectable, but still pretty broke
>vote for benefits
>dude_wheres_your_dad.jpg
>move to retarded republican state w/ their low taxes and their concept of charity
>still poor
>vote for benefits
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>change the font around on the same spam and the mods won't delete it

god damn you hotpockets really are that stupid
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>>129828551

Europeans are only able to support their hedonistic lifestyle because the US provides by covering for defense spending and promoting geopolitical policies that allow for Western monopolies to have access to regional markets. Willful ignorance is a poor position to take.

>Literally cherry picking while ignoring the greater numbers of ordinary citizens that support the Democrats.

When your entire party's political and economic policies basically amount to bread and circus it's not hard to win the mob. Thank god for the electoral system for keeping the balance.
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>>129816328
They dont but why do minorites, gays, people with wester value system etc voting against their interests by voting dems?
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>>129840771
Please enlighten me how bombing the ME was beneficial for Europe? Yeah BP and Shell got a few deals but other than that? Thanks for the muslims you faggots, YOU bombed them out of their homes for no reason and now our retarded governments aren't allowed to shoot them on the borders.
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>>129840706
is it strange I kind of like 1 post by ID threads, since I know they're going to reach like 100 people and I can dismantle OP's shitty lefty point without reprisal. thus handing out a few easy redpills?
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>>129832559
>At least the Dems did something.

I don't see how FORCING people to have healthcare is helping people.
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>>129840512
Most people on benefits in the US are white and voting Republicans.
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>>129841746
If you go by absolute numbers, of course because the US is a white majority country. But relative to their own group, Black people are more likely to be on welfare than any other race.
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>>129841598

Not every venture ends up being successful. I refugee crisis was predicted but ignored by the hawkish Obama administration
>>
Smoker here. I betrayed my own religious values, mind, and body by picking up this habit. I don't want any of you to have to pay for my hundred-thousand dollar cancer treatment when I inevitably get it. This is my choice, my fault, not yours.
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>>129841746
>>129842258
>Republican: 10
>Democrat: 22

Meanwhile, Californians are fleeing their soon-to-be officially communist state and move to Texas. Marylanders already ruined Virginia
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>>129843906
So much for their socialist gun-free utopia.
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>>129816328

Reminder that economic interests is codeword for gibsmedats

Sage
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>>129842258
Your graphic only shows one of several social security programs. Foodstamps themselves are the 4th most received benefit of social security (according to the source article) so your graph proves nothing.
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>>129846314
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>>129843906
You're 100% correct. Maryland property prices are fucked and taxes are crazy so they move to Virginia since it's more affordable and the job market is decent. Instead of adopting Virginia's conservitave values and respecting the already in place laws, they litteraly turned it into south Maryland. I'm in VA and I'm thinking of heading for NC or TN cuz this shit is crazy. They're indoctrinating the younger folk down here and making them SJWs. I honestly can't stand northerners and their bullshit.
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>>129846751
No source and not relevant for the argument. Wanna try again?
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>>129847046
Texan here. We've got the same problem with californians and the niggers from new orleans that couldn't afford to go home after katrina. Yankees are a fucking plague.
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>>129816328
>hahaha whites are going to be a minority in their own countries! suck it bigots!
White working class starts voting nationalist.
>wait no, you're voting against your own interests!
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>>129847252
http://freedomainradio.com
you were bitching about the other guy posting about foodstamps only, so I posted the blanket term of welfare, but hey
>>129841746
haven't seen a source on your claim either
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>>129850497
An irrelevant potcast is no source.
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>>129816467
>Explain to me how higher taxes are in my interests.
It buys more/better bombs and ordinance to use against our enemies. We can keep on borrowing money if you prefer.
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>>129822033
>Republicans are stupid for not just sitting around collecting welfare.
They are though. Stupid and butthurt about their own stupidity.
>actually wanting to be a wageslave
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>>129847675
>GOP
>nationalist

pick one, you literal mong
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>>129852122
a podcast that does its homework is a source. your feelings are not.
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>>129852805
Molyneux loves to cherry pick and distort. Even if that wasn't the case, you'd still have to provide the original source.
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>Against their own economic interests

>Voting democrat against republican.

Sorry, my economic interests don't support nigger and faggot quotas and gibsmedats.
Repubs are preachy dumbfucks, sure, but in comparison to democrats, they are fucking sane.
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>>129847675
Cuckservatives are not nationalists. Though true, they are not that degenerate.
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>>129816328
it's because they are uneducated and not intelligent. stop mincing words
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>>129816467

Higher taxes is the way to get something from the people, because people have two shitty sites of the mentality:

a) They want gibsmedats without paying shit for that. (Example: companies that don't want to deal with internship, but want workforce already with experience and high skill level)

b) They won't pay shit for something that doesn't affect them in the short run, until it's too late.
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>>129853115
>Repubs are preachy dumbfucks, sure, but in comparison to democrats, they are fucking sane.

Considering the GOP is hard core pro-life, and still views marijuana as one of the worst drugs to ever grace mankind, you might be retarded.
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>>129852935
>you have to provide sources approved by me
>I don't need to provide a thing
and just when I was starting to wonder if left-leaning parasites was a meme
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>>129853578
I wasn't part of the original convo, so I don't have to prove shit. You do though, you utter fucking retard
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>>129820759
But minoirties do ruin peoples lives as is evident by the wave of crime in my home town brought to us by Sudanese migrants and Chinese foreign investors pricing local kids out of the housing market. Coles has done nothing to me bar sell me food, BP sells me petrol. Migrants are having a significantly larger impact on our lives than corporations.
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>>129853494
I'll take a preachy Christian over a practitioner of Social Justice. Both are religions, but only the former has a moral compass
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>>129831151
When repubs will take responsibility for Al-Qaeda, 9/11 and ISIS.

That is, never.
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explain to me why a white woman would chose to have sex with whitey when she can get black sex god with bigger penis by 2-3 inches on average?
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>>129853736
You made yourself a part of the convo when you responded with a shareblue-tier character assassination in lieu of an argument, then made demands of a discussion you apparently weren't even a part of and followed up by calling me an "utter fucking retard"

Or in short: kys
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>>129816328
How are more spics and Somalis taking my tax dollars in my economic interests?
How does the Democratic DOJ fining banks and giving it to LaRaza help me?

You seriously all deserve to be shot.
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>>129853881
>CIA is repubs
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>>129853990
I agree. The only good commie is a dead commie. They are literally the largest threat to any country once their retarded ideology starts to take root.
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>>129853881
Jews did all those. Democrats and Republicans.
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>>129853959
>''herp derp ur a shill so i dont have back up the shit i say''

classic
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>>129853494

And Democrats believe that air conditioning is sexist, there is wage gap and that some chinese makrame basket weaving majors should have the same wage as the guys who actually make useful shit.

Not to mention the retarded idea of quotas,
Or the bitching about "We want more women CEO for diversity".

Like I said, democrats are fucking insane in comparison to repubs.

>pro life

You know, what's the best kind of contraception? Fucking blowjobs.

Don't want to pay for your abortion? Then fucking suck a dick.

>marijuana as one of the worst drugs

And democrats view it as some sort of magical herb that cures everything. Which is as bullshit.
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>>129816328
my interests don't include paying for drug addict single mom shitskins communists to breed. The sooner they starve to death in the streets or die of AIDS or get blown up in a bus by those muslims they love so much, the better.
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>>129816328
Because most lower class republicans are the intellectual inheritors of old South, democrat race-politics. They are the most servile, low-cunning, inbred scum on the planet and they've been brainwashed since the antebellum period to vote in the interests of their plantation owning, slave driving masters who they have less in common with than their black neighbors.

They south has the most representatives with seniority of any region in the country, because they just vote the same people into office over and over. Because of that, the region has an undue influence over national politics even though economically and culturally it's miles behind, like, everywhere else. They were tricked into fighting their Northern brethren in the civil war, they're tricked to this day that the civil war was about their "rights", and they'll be tricked into voting against their own economic interests forever, especially since they're allowed to suck from the teet of federal taxpayer-funded money from wealthier states, which gives them some relief from their own plight.

Fuck these idiots. I'm sick of them.
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>>129854133
>I'm entitled for you to do my homework for me
>My women's studies teacher doesn't allow non-approved sources
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>>129854113
>Whitey dindu nuffin, it was the joos

That's why you are fucking joke. You will tolerate straight up saboteur, degenerate and traitor, if he is white or will name him a kike just so your retarded concept of white people being racially supportive of each other should live.

>>129854032

Who was Reagan? Who was Bush senior? Who was Bush Junior? Democrats?
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>Both are religions, but only the former has a moral compass

What is moral about putting a child in a position where the deck is stacked against them or stuck in a place hoping to be adopted?
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>>129816328
1 post by this id
saged, hidden
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>>129854459
>''it's your job to dig up the data that supports my claims!''

that's a pretty poor way of arguing, anon.
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>>129854728
And I gave a source. You're just mad it's Molyneux.

>>129854504
Reagan and Bush Jr did not do Al-Qaeda, 9/11 or ISIS. Bush Sr was CIA.
>inb4 CIA is one guy
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>>129817048
>ignoring all your instincts and experiences to avoid danger because you dont want ro be called a racist


No thanks nigger you arent borrowing my bike.
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>>129816328
How about because of a sense of the greater good? While conservative policies tend not to yeild short-term/immediate gratification, they do provide long-term stability and growth.

A conservative knows he or she can make more money by working harder, getting a second job, or changing jobs, because he or she is not solely dependent on government assistance.
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>>129816328
Bernies tax plan was too high even for minimum wage workers.
I need less immigrants.
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>>129855111
I'm not actually doubting the statistics themselves, but it's good form and expected of you to provide primary sources. In fact it's required if you want the discussion to be on a certain level.

Only using screenshots of youtubers is unprofessional. You come across as the type of idiot who shares unsourced infographs on facebook.
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>>129816328
It's so easy to bait /pol/.
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>>129816467
Because the marginal Increase would be tiny for you. Also lower and middle income people spend their money putting it back into the economy, the wealthiest tend to just accrue money, it never actually trickles down. This disproportionate share of the wealth not only gives them undue power in the financial world but also in the political as well; the amassing of wealth for the few is therefore corrosive to democracy.
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>>129822561
>bucko
Are you in the 3rd grade faggot?
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>>129855382
>demands professionalism on an armenian croqueting chatroom
>ad hominem is acceptable from the word go

You forfeited your right to insist on a high level of discussion when you accused the man behind the source of intentional distortion. You have to go back.
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>>129856224
>the occasional banter somehow conflicts with providing sources for your claims
Eh, what?

>''You forfeited your right to insist on a high level of discussion when you accused the man behind the source of intentional distortion''
why?
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>>129821823
>completely useless
fraudulent, you meant fraudulent
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>>129855510
Yes, the rich have scrooge mcduck money pits. They certainly don't invest almost all of their money. They just love to give money to the inflation jew.
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>>129825486
>I love when American Democrats screech about raising the min wage.

Another reason the Dems love to raise the minimum wage is that a lot of union pay scales are tied to minimum wage. Instead of saying, "You have to pay us thirty dollars an hour to be lazy fucks" they say "You have to pay us minimum wage plus twenty-five dollars an hour to be lazy fucks". Now, every time minimum wage goes up, the union's pay goes up.
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>>129819747
>>129820103
Stfu
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>>129816328
>1 post by this ID

Why do retarded faggots post the same bullshit slide threads every fucking day?

sage and /thread
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>>129840771
Western Europe doesn't have many military threats. There's not much to defend them against.
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