Why Has No Government Given Plato's Republic a Chance?

If it was so good, why is he dead?

Because the point of government from the government's viewpoint is control over the people.

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>>129811143
A FUCKING CHICKEN

>>129811143
They have. It's called fascism

>>129811420
BEHOLD! A MAN!

they reanimated him years ago, hes a bag boy at a crogers in florida.

>>129811420
>>129811593
>reddit

>Syracuse

>>129811143
They give him a city and he was a crappy leader.

I meant Aristocracy.

>The aristocratic state that Plato idealizes is composed of three caste-like parts: the ruling class, made up of the aforementioned philosophers-kings; the auxiliaries of the ruling caste, made up of soldiers, and whose job in the state is to force on the majority the order established by the philosophers; and the majority of the people, who in contrast to the first two classes are allowed to own property and produce goods for themselves, but are also obliged to sustain with their own activities their rulers' — who are forbidden from owning property in order to preclude that the policies they undertake be tainted by personal interests.

>>129811557

Fuck man. We need to bring back fascism, then.

>>129811927
Looks like feudalism

>>129811192
Checkmate, atheists.

>>129812468
>who are forbidden from owning property

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>>129811927
>king
>knights
>peasants

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>>129811143
>no government

>>129811927
Socrates considered aristocracy the first step towards tyranny i.e. an unjust constitution. The Republic doesn't exactly offer any political solutions other than the idea that if everyone was molded exactly under his own philosophy then there would be harmony. Or theven key to a successful government is a populace with peace within themselves.

>>129811143
Because philosophers are completely removed from the human condition and most of their solutions for practical problems are completely unworkable, bordering on insane mental masturbation.

>>129812468
>>129812698
The difference is that those kings are educated in all valors of morality from a young age, and the best of a generation is picked to rule. Not by way of blood like Feudalism.

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>>129813159
>MY version of feudalism hasnt been tried yet!

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>>129813479
>flag

it's like pottery

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>>129811143
He failed when tyrant of syracuse give him a chance
he even got sell to be a slave
LOL

>>129811143
The five good emperors of Rome were the closest we've come to it, and it was just a kind of an accident; rulers without natural heirs get to choose the sort of man they WISH was their son to be their son and you wind up with increasingly competent rulers right up until the point where Marcus Aurelius made the huge fucking mistake of actually having a son and fucking the whole thing up.

IMO, take the Roman system from that era and sterilize the emperors and you'd have a perfect system, and one that approximates Plato's ideas.

>>129813479
And it hasn't. A complete "Bureaucracy" state would be the closest we could get to that. tbqh.

>>129811143
We do not have the necessary conditions for the rise of a true philosopher king. This is perhaps the most tragic element of our current dark age.

>>129811927

Plato's Republic is interesting but there's a lot of things that would be next to impossible to do in a "modern" world. There's also the various critiques of the Republic by Aristotle to consider which are too mundane and lengthy to bother posting in a Cambodian basket weaving forum.

It is an interesting concept overall though. He didn't believe that one person should have more than one occupation, for example.

>>129813796
Approve to that.

>>129811717
This. But also fascism.

As to why "no government has given Plato's Republic a chance"... why don't you start us off? The Republic is a manual for government of the self and the soul. It adopts early on the metaphor of the polis largely for the sake of convenience and only some books in becomes a political tract. Above all, it is about the soul of the individual. Cut loose.

>>129812649
and that man's name? Albert Einstein.

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>>129811143
The book Brave New World is basically The Republic in practice. Only looks good if you're on the top.

>>129811927
>>129813860
>There's also the various critiques of the Republic by Aristotle to consider which are too mundane and lengthy to bother posting in a Cambodian basket weaving forum.

One of the big critiques Aristotle made was that Plato's concept would be extremely difficult in anything but a small homogeneous society, with shared bonds and outlooks.

“It is clear then that a state is not a mere society, having a common place, established for the prevention of mutual crime and for the sake of exchange. These are conditions without which a state cannot exist; but all of them together do not constitute a state, which is a community of families and aggregation of families in well-being, for the sake of a perfect and self-sufficing life. Such a community can only be established among those who live in the same place and intermarry. Hence arise in cities family connections, brotherhoods, common sacrifices, amusements which draw men together. But these are created by friendship, for the will to live together is friendship. The end of the state is the good life, and these are the means towards it. And the state is the union of families and villages in perfect self-sufficing life, by which we mean a happy and honorable life.”

>>129814535
This. The Republic is about justice. The first two books are about definitions of justice, all of which fail because justice is a transcendent concept that cannot be defined (see [Plato]'s seventh letter as well for how weak "definitions" are in relation to understanding and ideas). Socrates then begins examining justice through the image or myth of a just city, but he gets side-tracked when one of his interlocutors objects to his image of a just city because it lacked luxurious living. Callipolis, the city everyone thinks about when they remember the Republic, is a deliberate perversion of the just state Socrates had originally proposed: that's why it's a military state—to be able to take land from other states. Everyone wants to pay attention to books seven and eight, but reading the first four books carefully is important.

As a political system Plato's republic is severely totalitarian. It was never intended to be a model for a political system. Plato's republic is an allegory for the well ordered soul. The Philospher kings represent the rational mind. The military class represents the passions and emotion, the working class represents the base survival instincts. Freud later ripped it off in his model of the human psyche. It's the id, the ego, and the super ego.

Plato and Socrates were faggots

Aristophanes had it right

People who knew them realized how impractical and retarded they were

First liberals

Take credit for obvious thoughts like asking rhetorical questions

>>129820765
This

>>129811927
Did that autist read Evola or something?

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>>129811420

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>>129820765
>Plato's republic is an allegory for the well ordered soul.
That's an interesting take on it.

>It was never intended to be a model for a political system.
I don't completely buy that though. If you look at it from a perspective of everything being interconnected, e pluribus unum, then The Republic is more then just a model for the individual. It is a model for the Great Individual, aka the universe. And considering that Plato definitely had more of a universal mindset, it's not far fetched to say The Republic was his ideal for a society. Although, a society of people who had applied the The Republic on an individual scale as well.