/lrg/ LIBERTARIAN RIGHT GENERAL - NU-FAGS MUST ASSIMIALTE EDITION

>>129775789
Hey hey! Ho Ho! Garry Johnson has got to go!

>>129775789
How is the freedom movement in your country growing? America needs ethno-nationalism first freedom second.

Ours is growing very strongly and most likely will go into goverment next year.

>>129775944
Who? You mean Gary "Bake cakes for niggers whilst I make the state bigger" Johnson?

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>>129775944
Yes, LOLbergs need not apply.
>>129776059
Nationalist movements are growing. not as fast as i'd like but its happening. tbqh American Nationalism is tied to Liberty. were fed up with welfare and therefore niggers too.

Can't wait when we will start physically removing communists, democrats and degenerates.

>>129775789
Can Piratism be officially recognized? I just want to sail the high seas and own my own island.

>>129776193
You mean Garry "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" Johnson?
>>129776480
As long as it's voluntary and doesn't violate anyone's NAP.

>>129776382
The day of the removal draws closer every day. In the meantime wave your freedom flags, post propaganda and sneks.
>>129776480
Pirates are cool. basically oldschool AnCaps.

>>129775944
Boop boop! Beep beep! Remove the leftists, so to speak.

>>129776480
I see nothing wrong with that, aslong as you respect muh NAP

WHO LET THE ZOG OUT?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95tp4cH5dEA

>>129776958
JEW! JEW! JEW! JEW! JEW!

>>129775789
>http://www.libertarianright.org/reading/
Where in the world are Ayn Rand's works?
"The Virtue of Selfishness" is mandatory. Add Objectivism to the OP as it lacks any epistemological -isms.

We might be meme-ing ourselves out of the EU soon, then death penalty, more self-defense rights and less gun control. In 2 years we might meme JKM into goverment with his "freedom" party.

We must mount a Snekist resistance against this Kekist domination!
HISSSSSSSSSSSSS

>>129777303
its an old list, we should work on a new one. Haven't gotten a hold of the website owner in a while either.

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>>129777303
also pic related.

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>>129777447
Snek>Kek

I'm new to this. How is physical removal libertarian?
It seems exact opposite to me.
Also how is Pinochet considered libertarian besides free markets and private ownership? He was a dictator.

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>>129777600
EXACTLY

>>129777694
We don't give a fuck what's the goverment essentialy, it can be democratic, fascist, monarchist, as long as it promotes our values it's good.

That's why we hate democracy, it always leads to communism.

Basically Hoppe says what must be done to achieve libertarianism and that is physical removal of communists and democrats.

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>>129777507
http://douglasficek.com/teaching/phi-102/rand.pdf
When the time comes.

>>129777694
It isn't. These retards are just statists, Murray Rothbard would be rolling in his grave if he knew what he set in motion.

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>>129777694
Physical removal is harsh discrimination, prefectly valid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ5zOEkD2Lg&t=526s
pretty good meme video for a rundown.

Pinochet was not a libertarian, we consider him /ourguy/ because he took libertarian econ lessons from a jew and physically removed marxists. he's benevolent dictator tier.

>>129777694
Pre-emptive self defense against those who wish to tread upon us
https://youtu.be/u-wMmYSG9JQ?list=LLe7SAJiAHZgjnLa73Bvy9uA

>>129778187
Fuck off filthy NAP violating, people murdering faggot.

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>>129778187
I'm glad commies mark themselves now, it'll be easier to collective laugh at them.

>>129777600
w-why do you have 9 sneks? Are you in a snek cult?

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>>129778388
I'm not a commie, I'm a market anarchist, it's just that unfortunately the anarchist flag defaults to ancom.

>>129777694
Physical removed doesn't mean 'do away with'. It can be via discrimination, exclusion from society (hoppe likens it to excommunication) on up etc. Remember this happens within the context of a covenant - a group of people who have formed a community to live a certain way, so basically you break the community rules, you get booted.

>pinched
Based his economy on a group of economists who were students of freidman - the Chicago boys. Plus he helicopter education commies

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>>129778492
I have more than 9 sneks.

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>>129778516
What does "market anarchist mean" are you like free trade guy or what?

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>>129778516
so? Jeffery Cucker fan?

>>129778516
>market anarchist,
Well so are we - free market anarchists...

Or did you mean (((marxist)))?

>>129778800
Gotta be behind at least 7 sneks, mate

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>>129778863
What about this one? for the ancap crypto-monarchists.

>>129777917
>fascist
>monarchist
>able to promote our values
In any event the thing you are looking for is Meritocracy.
Democracy is fine for the political process only. Democracy does not belong in social issues or economics.

"I object to the idea that the people have the right to vote on everything. The traditional American system was a system based on the idea that majority will prevailed only in public or political affairs. And that it was limited by inalienable individual rights, therefore I do not believe that a majority can vote a man’s life, or property, or freedom away from him. Therefore, I do not believe that if a majority votes on any issue, that this makes the issue right, it doesn’t.”

“There is nothing wrong with the democratic process in politics. By the constitutional powers, as we had it, people elect officials, but the powers of those officials, the powers of government are strictly limited. They will have no right to initiate force or compulsion against any citizen, except a criminal. Those who have initiated force will be punished by force, and that is the only proper function of government. What we would not permit is the government to initiate force against people who have hurt no one, who have not forced anyone. We would not give the government, or the majority, or any minority, the right to take the life or the property of others. That was the original American system.”

“I’m opposed to all forms of control. I am for an absolute laissez-faire, free, unregulated economy. Let me put it briefly. I’m for the separation of state and economics. Just as we had separation of state and church, which led to peaceful co-existence among different religions, after a period of religious wars, so the same applies to economics. If you separate the government from economics, if you do not regulate production and trade, you will have peaceful cooperation, and harmony, and justice among men.”
----Ayn Rand, interview with Mike Wallace

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>>129776869
Cool, just know international waters anything goes.

>>129779151
Looks great.

>>129779333
I understand.

>>129779151
That's great expanded mate, but you can't make it out too well in the thumbnail

>>129778800
>more than 9 sneks
Are you going to flood the rare snek market while making a killing? Seems like something a Anarcho-Capitalist should do, .

Any of you listening to:

Not an argument

or

1433

?

>>129779333
this man get it, someone give him some grog.

Libertarian wassup

>>129779333
Arr, physically remove those scurvy commies, Jim lad

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>>129779444
yeahs its pretty grimey. well i've got plenty more.

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>>129779554
I listen to Cantwell almost every morning.
Molymemes less often but i still check in on him.

>>129779712
Can I get the Punk's not red and Ron Paul with text?

>>129779712
pls post those rare Hoppes

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>>129779712
>cum uncontrollably

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>>129779008
I'm an anarchist in the vein of Benjamin Tucker or Albert Jay-Nock (who Murray Rothbard cited as his biggest influence on him next to Mises). Murray is god for his intentions, but he fucks up on a few points which make him easy to put a negative spin on and ridicule.

Hoppe has merit for getting Rothbard's fuck ups and taking them to their natural conclusion. Don't have anything against him as a person other than his rambling about the gays and blacks. You have to be realistic and understand this is not something which wins hearts and minds in the current world, what he did damaged us a lot.

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>>129779501
I'm playing the long investment game. you gotta have a low time preference for the big payoff.

that being said, I don't giving to the people lacking in sneks. I'm a wealth creator.

>>129780266
Nah, these people never cared and never will care for freedom. We have to understand leftists are our natural enemies.

>>129780465
>Tucker and Jay-Nock
>Leftists
Do you even care about intellectual integrity? his is why we're going nowhere, people don't even have the curiosity or the nuance to explore minor variations in their thought.

>>129780266
people want free gibs, not freedom. we must not pander falsehoods to gain support but rather remove totalitarian leftists that protect the gibs-culture.

Q. What is Capitalism, Individualism, Libertarianism, Conservatism, Egosim, and Meritocracy combined?

A. Objectivism

>>129780915
You're in libertarian circles, we've read around. I myself have spent many, many autistic years reading. I have come the the conclusions that I have not for ignorant reasons.

>>129780915
I was speaking about the people that Hoppe "segregated" from our movement.

So do ancaps and libertarians generally get along?

>>129781370
do you mean the conservatives that have inflitrated the libertarian party?

>>129780915
Got to admit I haven't read those guys

>>129781418
yeah, AnCaps are just libertarianism taken to its final destination.

>>129781418
Yea they do. Anarcho-capitalism is just libertarianism taken to its conclusion

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>>129781418
Yes, if their rw libs rather than allepo Johnson types. While libertarians are minarchist, we'd rather just sack the govt off...

Is Pat Buchanan right-libertarian?

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>>129779917
and ron

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>>129781472
kek
>>129781418
A movement more radical than a similiar movement is allies up to the point where the gap in ideas shows up.
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>>129781879
Thanks so much.

>>129781418
I doubt anyone here went straight for ancapism without going through libertarianism before. Breaking with the conditioning of the state education goes progressively.

So we see libertarians as us, 10 books ago.

I myself was a libertarian until I came up with potential solutions to a lack of monopoly of violence. I still would like the progress to anarcho capitalism to be through massive decentralization instead of a "les revenants" government disappearance.

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>>129781874
paleo-conservative. not exactly but he fits in with this crew.
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>>129779151
that's fucking sick, man. nice.

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>>129780002
this is a very common one, dont know if you wanted this too.

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>>129782168
thanks mate.

>>129781418
Yeah. Laissez-faire Capitalism>AnCap but Anarcho capitalism is close enough to to make little difference. Enough that we can solidly "get along" easily enough.

You guys are the least toxic ideology when it comes to open discussion, so props for that.

>>129777694
M E M E S

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>>129782517
Laissez-faire is Anarcho-Capitalism. it is non-intevention. Non-Aggression.

>>129775789
Gay Pride Worldwide

>>129781370
Not all of them are bad people, and the way things are are the minute do you really think we can go anywhere without out at least trying to convert naive lefties? I mean the ones who are non-committal, not the full blown retards.

>>129781276
Does it not worry you that someone who is born into a world where all or most land is privately owned is born in a disenfranchised state, which very much resembles what it's like for a person to be born into a state? Where are you free if everywhere you stand you have to abide by the rules of others, and can only escape this status with the permission of others?

>>129777507
Thanks, based purple quadrant bro, Rand memes are ultra rare

>>129782614
Get out you peace loving kike reeee!

Just kidding, thanks. We are probably the ideology that reads the most.
>>129782782
A lot of them are just retards, sure I try but it's really fucking hard.
>>129782774
Not in my private society degenerate.

>>129782614
Thanks.

I believe the huge amount of ancap flag users today shows that we're doing something right indeed.

>>129782782
To the question you asked the other guy, yes. Becuase it's either that or it's goverment owned.
With hard work and intelligence and providing good serices you can gain actual power and that's good because you're creating wealth.

>>129782010
Do you have any opinion on Jeff Deist's whole "decentralise and let the leftists have their progressive hell holes, so long as we can have our own communities" thing? To the extent of letting California have its own single payer healthcare nonsense.

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Does this one count? A little old but whatevs

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>>129782782
No, it seems only natural for man to start at zero. Not only does it not bother me, but i don't believe newly born children are left to fend for themselves. They have grandparents, aunts, uncles, parents, siblings, and whole communities that can care for them with their own free will. I don't believe it is just to rob and steal on a massive scale to be the parent of an orphan.

Not only does it not bother me, but i don't believe newly born children are left to fend for themselves.

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>>129783176
I agree, in fact that's what we advocate for in /lrg, but California is too big, decentralize further to reduce migration tragedy.

As a Libertarian, I have a question for other libs and especially ancaps

How could an ancap/lib society prevent something like Flint Water Crisis?

>>129783176
Anarcho capitalism concludes every society will have it's own rules. For example I want to live in a society with no degenerates and other races, while other races might want to live with each other exc.

>>129779554
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNtAIqbzcHo
>not an argument

>>129783176
I'd be cool with it if we could have a civil segregation. draw borders and such. It'd be disaterous for both of us to have mainlands with small revolting communities everywhere.

>>129783176
You can have a covenant based on any set of values you want, as long as it's all voluntary. Not at the state level though, at least not in ancapistan

>>129783176
In fact, I believe that under anarcho capitalism, there could be cities where two neighbors have different laws depending on their insurance.

It would be like if you only received the laws of the party you voted for, and then for conflict between different party voters there would be third party arbitration.

Segregation is a possible result of anarcho capitalism, but I think there's potential for other methods in the market.

>>129782223
thanks famalam

>>129782766
Well not /is/ anarcho capitalism. Slight differences and purposes are what the names imply. Separation of state and economics doesn't automatically imply anarchy.

It actually *is* wise for the state to have a monopoly on the police force and emergency services (but only those) They are conceptually different from other organizational entities.

>>129783714
people could stop paying for the water unless they cleaned it, or use someone elses service. The company would loose profit and have good incentive to give the people what they want.

shit like that doesn't really happen with voluntary paid for service. producers want to get paid. the goverment doesn't need to get paid, they just take.

>>129782905
>A lot of them are just retards
You aren't wrong.

On the other thing, I agree that we have to keep property out of state hands at all costs. But most right libertarians seem to believe there should be some sort of agreed upon overall legal code. I don't think it's any more statist to include in this that a person should be entitled to a place to stand without being beholden to anyone.

>>129783540
You don't start at zero though, that's the problem; you start at less than zero. If you came into the world in a state of nature, you would come into one where there was virgin land for you to appropriate by nothing other than labour, that's starting at zero. When all land becomes privately owned you need both your labour and to satisfy the whims of those who came before you, hoping they will eventually consent to you having property.

>>129783714

I am from the area. Flint is full of problems, mostly stemming from the population

>corrupt city council that knew about the problem, but did nothing
>citizens who are unable or unwilling to pay their water bill
>which in turn makes it difficult to fund water treatment
>people stealing the water
I actually learned it is really easy to do, you just need a wrench and know where your water access point is
>then the usual things that happen when people do not have water kick in
>then the city council denies there is a problem and when forced to admit there is a problem, refuses to take accountability for it at all.

The whole thing is a mess from a combination of poor or malicious government oversight and a poor populace that is either incapable of paying for basic services or would rather steal it anyways.

>>129776480
this

muh Pirate Code

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>>129778187
You mean Murray "Unleash the police" Rothbard would be disgusted at what we're trying to achieve? Fuck off commie.

>>129784565
>I agree that we have to keep property out of state hands at all costs.

>anarcho-communist

>>129779712
make one with pirates welcome lad

One more question guys.

In a lib society or ancap society, what would happen to those who cant physically work, such as my dad who is on disabililty ?

A new Libertarian

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So now how do we establish who is Portobro, Maltabro, Britishbro and /Founding Father/ if we're going to use these dank flags?

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>>129784891

You might find this an interesting read. Dont let your blood boil too much though.

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>>129783954
I agree with this a lot, no one really seems to use the kind of panarchist argument much but it seems really powerful. The price of living in a place worth living is probably allowing others to live in one which isn't, not forcing some one size fits all universalism.

>>129783714
Just privatise it, apply this to anything.
If you privatise it, they have to make a profit = good quality low price to satisfy customer. Flint just gets gibs from theft from taxpayers.
>>129784565
I have heard some philosophers argue that the law will be privatised, essentialy some people paying a service that believes in death sentence, while some not.
>>129784891
Either you pay for him, one of you family pays for him, or he has to get on a private charity. Private charities exist in great numbers even today.

>>129784830
Commies walk the plank memes...

>>129784891
If libs/an-caps were practical, they'd be ok with a limited social safety net for people like your father. The mostly likely answer you'll get, though, is "charity"

>>129784783
The flag says anarchist. The red is unfortunate, fuck commies.

>>129785097
YARRRR!
>>129785200
Mods are fags

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>>129784891
Your family would provide for him; he would provide for himself by buying insurance coverage with the money he saved during the years or the money he inherited; he would go to a private charity.

Private charities and private medical associations used to exist in the US before the New Deal and the Great Society projects and healthcare for a year was paid with a day's work. They also had orphanages, day-care centers, nurses for home births, etc.

>>129785011
This is very important

>>129785011
I'm FF. I'm an attention whore so I'll out myself. might switch the flag up. sometimes im feeling some dixie.

>>129782782
Wow it's almost like reality imposes limits on behavior.

>>129785200
Gotcha. Why not use the yellow? Pehaps they should have just added the A

>>129785184
Although, if the Fed was ended, in effect ending the hidden inflation tax on goods and services, less and less people would need welfare, so I'd be totally fine with it if that were the case.

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>>129785407
Well I'll be using the Dixie and the AnCap flag from now on, but if anyone needs to "summon" a specific person to answer a question we can just switch to normal flags.

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THIS ISNT THE RIGHT PIRATE FLAG REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>129777600
Unfortunately they are part of the free society.

>>129784891
Churches.

>>129785323
How did the private charities work for those who couldnt work?

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>>129775789
>Anarcho-Capitalism
Literally a non-ideology. You cannot have effective property rights without a state to uphold them, making the entire AnCap meme a failure before it's ever even had the chance to implement itself.

>>129785706
If someone can work he doesn't need charity in a free society, obviously.
It's all based on morality. That's why religion is important.

>>129784891
Most people don't fully realize but the extension of the state eliminated the need for church, interaction, being well liked, and is recently eliminating the need for family, people are living vain lives, no legacy whatsoever.

This is key to understand libertarianism properly, our ideology leads to a functioning decentralized-help society where people have self-interest in bonding.

>>129785668
Not if we physically remove them before the free society comes about. we aint in ancapistan yet.

didn't you hear that pirate poster? international water (public property) is fair game for nap violation.

>>129785773
>The argument is that the society is immature for this ideology
Agreed. That's why we're spreading the gospel. So our great great great great grandchildren can remove communists on Mars.

just use trips brahs, secure trips

>>129776565
>as long as it doesn't violate anyone's NAPs

How could piracy possibly not violate thr NAP?

>>129786054
intellectual property is a meme, they can download as many DVDs as they want.

>>129785407
I was only using the ancap flag ITT, but given I'm posting here I guess it's kind of obvious I'm some species of rw lib. Going back to the jack...

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>>129786054
International waters, the truest form of anarchy.

>>129785773

Property rights stem from self ownership. This argument is old and tiresome.

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>>129785706
Again, it was not unusual for people to recur to family and friends. There was (and still is) religion in place to help the needy. So... Yeah. Churches, communities, friends and family for those who could not have help but still deserved it.

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>>129786052
>tfw you will never throw space commies out the shuttlecraft. Into the sun...

Let it be known I'm one of the regular Portubros.

>>129786178
We need to have discussion about intellectual property.
What's the incentive to research when you can't make profit of new discoveries?
>>129786054
The same reason why 10 people killing each-other and leaving one, when before they signed an agreement to a fight to death, isn't murder.

>>129785080
>I have heard some philosophers argue that the law will be privatised
I was under the impression that was more the enforcement of the law than the law itself? So the law is more objective and discovered like:

https://mises.org/library/how-have-law-without-legislation

There are probably people I'm not aware of who go fully in the direction of privatising the legal code though, should probably look into it.

>>129785442
"Capitalist" is too bound up with statist privilege and corporate welfare, there is nothing better than a genuinely free-market but people just don't understand what these things means anymore. I am also deviant on the land question I guess.

>>129786191
I dig the flags, and I have a good set to choose from.
>>129786444
I know you by your tripcode. m8

>>129786178
People who upload ripped DVDs can be prosecuted under contract law for copyright breaking though. It's patents that are bullshit.

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>>129786444
Noice senpai.

>>129786054
relax, we be just merchant vessels my boy. That is, unless ye decide to cross on

>>129786702
well if you are the one who distributed it, you're probably breaching the terms of use. thats not IP, its a contract.

the guys downloading it are innocent, the ripper is not.

>>129785773
Which is why I prefer Laissez-faire Capitalism. Acheives the intent of AnCap while still being actualizable.
AnCap is essentially just some concept for one to romantically think about.

>>129786921
Well depends if you consider text on the dvd box or the cd a binding contract. It's a bit of a grey area.

>>129785011
4chan should offer both location and ideology flags.

This is a clear market failure

>>129784891

The economy wouldn't be so fucked from inflation/national debt/fiat currency/overblown regulations/legal shields for corporations/the state wasting shit loads of money in general that your family would have plenty of spare money to look after him, and if you all died in the last car crash before roads are phased out private charities/community trusts/his old workplace would have enough money they could give him a pension.

You'd also have less fraud with people who take financial help because if you're not forced to pay for it like taxes people would simply stop putting their money into that pension fund/charity/community trust that gets a reputation for letting lazy scammers take them for a ride and switch to another one that makes sure people need it or at least are open about letting almost anyone use them.

>>129787118
no its not a gray area. you have to understand the terms

>>129786921
>>129786979
I'm a bit unsure about the status of people downloading. I suppose if you help someone break a contract under other circumstances you're not liable, because you didn't sign it yourself right?

>>129786466
The most basic law is common sense, morality and the NAP right. But some societies might hae their own way of thinking. I remember I watched this matthew drake video about law under anarcho-captalism and it was very convincing, but can't for the love of me find it.

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>>129787511
Hopefully based gookmoot will fix it. How excited are you for meeting Hoppe? You have to let him know his memes are all over the place. I have a feeling he's one of those guys with a great sense of humor who will love spending an afternoon browsing Hoppe memes on the internet while laughing and holding a glass of wine.

>>129784891
UBI from land rents.

>>129787652
depends on the terms of the contract of course. today we have malformed contracts.

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I'm a lolerbertarian my ideology is practical and applicable to the real world

>>129787849
Oh I'm fucking excited.

Within a month I'm meeting two of my biggest idols, Armin Van Buuren (yes, I'm a trancefag) and Hoppe. Malta sure seems like the place to be for me this summer.

I will most likely try to show the work we're doing here in a positive light, not only to Hoppe but to whoever listens, and try to see if he's open for discussion so I can talk a bit about my thoughts.

>>129788374
Hoppe is going to Malta?

>>129788175
i don't get what your image is supposed to convey. White young males are more Libertarian? Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

>>129788099
agreed, but if we adhered to strict property norms and contractual agreements that text would be valid as a contract.

>>129788523
Yep, he has a conference here in July with other libertarians.

coraxconf

>>129788700
Fkn hell, won't let me view the site without disabling adblock...

Am I the only one that is getting sick and tired of the NatSoc fags fucking up this board? They are retards when it comes to economics.

>>129789025
I try to debate them every day but they keep on worshipping socialism and keep on calling me a kike. 1433

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>>129788374
God damn I am so jelly... Best of luck my man. Meeting Hoppe is on my bucket list. Being in the presence of the Based God Remover Himself, Jesus Christ Almighty I'd give my child slave's left nut for that opportunity.

>>129788536
Nearly all lolerbertarians are White. How does this information fit in with what you already know about identity politics? What is the lolerbertarian approach to identity politics?

>>129789025
I dont even talk about economics with. but I support all the anti-leftist shit and white pride worldwide.

>>129789245
that post was awful.
>I dont even talk about economics with them anymore.. but I support all the anti-leftist shit and some white pride worldwide.

>>129789160
>What is the lolerbertarian approach to identity politics?

we don't give a shit? what kind of "approach" were you looking for

Bump. Fast moving board tonight...

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>>129789160
many of us are race realists. some are cucks tho.

>>129789943
newfags, they must assimilate tho.

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>>129789612
Bingo. Now tell me how the fuck lolerbertarianism is any different from civic nationalism or multiculturalism or any other already proven failed race-blind ideology. Lolerbertarianism is essentially the sister ideology of liberalism for pacifistic white idealists.

>>129789025
>>129789120
Just ask them "why not NatCap?" they trip all over themselves trying to come up with something smart memey. Demand an answer. Oftimes I'm just completely ignored.

Best I get is
>Capitalism is a shekkel rubbing Jooish invention
or
>No! It's not socialism! Nationalsozialistische is /ONEWORD/ so it's a COMPLETELY different concept.
But wasn't Hitler for massive public works programs, cradle to the grave benefits, absolute gun control, and complete planning and control of the economy?
>l-lel shut up kike, get a load of this kike.

Fucking insufferable.

>>129790301
Right of dissociation?

If you don't grasp how vital for race-blinding forced integration is, then you're the blind one, my friend.

>>129790301
And yet if the government didn't forcefully integrate people and threatened people who "discriminate" against certain people we would all live in peace since all human interaction would be voluntary when it comes to association.

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>>129789025
I'm honestly embarrassed seeing how many of them are here. I prefer not to know.

The flags are a bad idea, and one I think that will be used to divide this board by shills and cia niggers.

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do you folks know the good word of Ron /ourguy/ paul. He DID write those redpilled newsletters.

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Oh fug yeah I lub these breads

>>129790301
>or any other already proven failed race-blind ideology
>ancap
>race-blind

Listen here you nigger, with no welfare, affirmative action, or any kind of central state support, all these degenerates and shitskins could not survive. Even more, you can have blatantly racially discriminating policies because who the fuck is going to stop you in your own private property

You wanna know why liberals and communists hate capitalism? It's not just because it actually works, it's because it absolute SHITS ON degenerates and unproductive, self-destructive habits. Only strong traditionalist nuclear families can really survive AnCap, and that's the whole idea: to eliminate any kind of environment that allows degenerates to thrive.

AnCap is eugenics, and don't you forget that

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>>129790811
checked
Did Ron actually say this? I can't find it.
It seems way too blunt to be a real quote.

>>129791126
newletters written by eirther him or Lew Rockwell. He denied writing them during his campaign. been doing research for months. no solid evidence. but im pretty sure it was him.

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>>129791126
If anyone asks, he didn't write them. :-)

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>>129790301
Women's suffrage was a mistake.

I was shooting heroin and reading “The Fountainhead” in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief.

“Bad news, detective. We got a situation.”

“What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?”


“Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars’ worth of bitcoins.”

The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. “What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?”

“Not yet. But mark my words: we’re going to figure out who did this and we’re going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so.”

“Easy, chief,” I said. “Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair.”

He laughed. “That’s why you’re the best I got, Lisowski. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins.”

“Don’t worry,” I said. “I’m on it.”

I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside.

“Home Depot™ Presents the Police!®” I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Ron Paul. “Nobody move unless you want to!” They didn’t.

“Now, which one of you punks is going to pay me to investigate this crime?” No one spoke up.

“Come on,” I said. “Don’t you all understand that the protection of private property is the foundation of all personal liberty?”

It didn’t seem like they did.

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>>129791281

>>129791573
based.

>>129791542
“Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I’m just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or autographed Penn Jillette posters.”

Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn’t care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing.
I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it.

“Subway™ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®” I yelled.

Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him.

“Stop right there!” I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen.

I was losing him. “Listen, I’ll pay you to stop!” I yelled. “What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I’ll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn ‘Bob Barr ‘08’ extra-large long-sleeved men’s T-shirt!”

He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose.

“All right, all right!” the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. “I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins.”

“Why’d you do it?” I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy.

“Because I was afraid.”

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>>129790658
>>129790984
>since all human interaction would be voluntary
>shitskin state support will just be magicked away
What do you think violence is?

Who do you think are the primary victims of violence on national scales? The weak, pacifistic, disorganized, and idealistic pussies who actually believe shit will just work out in their favor when they stay atomized and complacent in the face of concerted aggression. Like I already said, lolerbertarianism is just LARPing and fantasy. We don't live in that kind of world. Surely it must just be a pet ideology to you people.

>>129791667
"Afraid?”

“Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers,” he said. “I’m a central banker.”

I wanted to coldcock the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head.

“Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street,” I said. “No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you’ll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom.”

He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me for arresting him.

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>>129791641

How the times have changed

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>>129789160
We don't have to pander to demographics to get our message across. I truly believe that if you present a cogent argument from both the consequential and ethical perspectives, Libertarianism just makes more sense than big gibs statism.
I guess you could call me a newly-converted race-realist. I do believe that race is more than skin deep, and differences in what we would commonly define as 'race' can account for differences in social organization. But I'm not an ethno-nationalist.
If there is no state (or a heavily limited one for you minarchists/classlibs), and if there are strong private property rights, differences between the races sort of become moot.
If, say, a black person is genetically predisposed to be different from a white, these differences would mean next to nothing if there isn't a state apparatus for one or the other to exploit to their advantage at the expense of the other.
But like I said in the beginning of this post, I think blacks and latinos and asians and whatever can 'get' the Libertarian arguments if they're presented properly. We just need more charismatic representatives, especially in the arts.
(i know anarchyball is persona non gratta at this point, I just like some of the memes)

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>>129791573

this tbqh >>129791641

>>129792041
nice, a saveable image.

>>129791737
>What do you think violence is?

what? if you get violent, you get shot for breaking the NAP. Don't act like a nigger, or you get treated like one

>who actually believe shit will just work out in their favor when they stay atomized and complacent in the face of concerted aggression.

what are you talking about. We don't believe it will just magically work, we KNOW it works. What "concerted aggression"? Degenerates? Shitskins? I just told you, they would have nothing with no state to keep their asses around

>Like I already said, lolerbertarianism is just LARPing and fantasy. We don't live in that kind of world. Surely it must just be a pet ideology to you people.

not an argument

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>>129789025
just as bad as commies desu
take away my rights to own a baby killing ar-666 and you can go fuck yourself

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>>129791737
Can someone explain this quote? I'm too stupid to understand it.
At first I thought it was talking about state violence, but now I'm thinking it's talking about the inherent chaos in the world which warrants self-ownership through self-defense.

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>>129792079
>If there is no state
>I think blacks and latinos and asians and whatever can 'get' the Libertarian arguments if they're presented properly
Will never happen. Lolerbertarianism won't work because non-Whites don't want it. They'll let you try it though, in order to use the state against you.

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>>129792041
hot damn

how long until they take away flags

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>>129789025
/pol/ has become synonymous with natsoc
I'm a relative newfag. Was this board actually lolber or was it natsoc from the beginning? I know this isn't exactly a neutral thread to ask this in, but I'm hoping I can get an unbiased answer from an oldfag.

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You should read up on public goods theory. Some goods can only be provided efficiently by the state. Specifically, goods where people cannot be excluded from.

Also, a state needs to have at least a police force to to maintain monopoly of force, the basis for civilization, trade etc.. Alternative would be a group of companies or families, which would evolve into some form of state anyway.

Tax still needs to be capped at zero, and the state has to generate the needed funds by economic activity or investing themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_good

>>129792630
The de maistre quote? As I understand it he's basically saying 'nature, red in tooth and claw' survival of the fittest...

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>>129792041
>Woman suffrage increases taxes, injures women, increases divorce.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE8XJEeOpyA

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>>129792637
>>129792276
>>129792381

>>129792842
/pol/ is a racist board. libertarians and natsocs alike. historically libertarian tho. nigger.

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>>129792633
How can you claim to speak for 'non-whites.' Whether or not they're different from whites, they are people with brains and can be reasoned with. And let's assume that non-whites just can't exist in our societies. As long as there's no state for them to exploit, they can go be mud-hut gaboons on their own and we can maintain our glorious white libertarian utopia without them.
I mean, is Eric July not a real libertarian? Could he not exist in our society like a white person?

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>>129775789

>>129792842
It was libertarian but never as refined as what you find in /lrg topics nowadays, mostly hearsay and bandwagoning.

I believe we're far more advanced in libertarianism today and we're gaining traction through arguments and quality threads instead of through momentum like in the Ron Paul era, which is how things should have been done.

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>>129792529
>if you get violent, you get shot for breaking the NAP
This isn't even in the realm of possibility though. Non-Whites can't operate on that level of decentralization. They're too collectivistic. They're using identity politics and STATE VIOLENCE against Whites and lolerbertarians act like they're too smart and above it all to deign to participate in identity politics. It disgusts me.

History is just a timeline of groups of people organizing and using violence to get what they want. NAP ancap-land is fucking communist utopia tier in terms of ignoring human nature.

>>129792633
wtf, I hate hispanics now.

>>129793258
>flag

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>>129793258
>Democrat
WE GOT ONE BOYS!

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>>129792633
Sorry I forgot to check in my first reply. Checked.
Another point on that graph.
You're showing a graph of responses by people who have been brainwashed. Blacks/women and the like, they've been totally spoonfed big gibs their entire life. I don't think it's fair to indict their inherent character based on our modern setup. The media is so fucking left wing, and anti-right sentiment is so entrenched in our culture, I don't think they've even been told the arguments against big gibs, or at least not well.

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>>129793378
Look who's talking.

Square up fuckboy

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>>129793258
bffaahaha, thanks demoshit. saved

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>>129793282
Now I wonder what percentage of this graph is due to genetics and what percentage of this graph is due to cultural pandering. I'm definitely a nature over nurture guy, but nurture does play a role in everything to some extent.

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>>129793107
>>129793595
I don't claim to speak for them, I'm really just claiming that they're different on the group level. I do think they can be reasoned with on a one-on-one basis, but if you look at the US now it should be pretty clear which individuals are going where and doing what.

And what do you think will happen when they point the government in a different direction? They fundamentally have different political beliefs compared to the long-standing White American population. What makes you think these groups can reconcile their differences? Will there be some sort of uniting political party in the future that would facilitate the transition to more extreme libertarianism? Because we're already operating under the policies of race-blind civic nationalism, we have been a multiethnic country for hundreds of years, and racial tensions show no signs of ending soon.

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>>129793595
And before someone says "women vote resources from the state because resource procurement is all they care about!"
Women also tend to be herd animals. They follow whatever the status quo is. If we had a nation of red-pilled libertarian men who didn't take their leftist bullshit, women would become conservative real quick. It would be the only way they could compete on the sexual marketplace. That's why women tend to vote republican after marriage. They're like sticks in the wind and go wherever the gibs are coming from. If we didn't have a state that handed out gibs and they had to rely on their men, they would vote for smaller government.

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>>129793627
>giving away your rights to protect your fefes
i can already tell youd loose

>>129794250
But we're operating under a big government welfare system. That effects behavior. If there were no gibs, they might behave differently. I'm not saying getting rid of gibs is just this easy thing to do. The blacks/women will continue to vote vociferously for gibs, because they've been trained to rely on them and think they're a moral good. I think all we can do is continue fighting the culture war and promote our ideals. I'm just not sold on the notion that a black person is genetically pre-disposed to being anti-liberty and that a libertarian paradise requires an ethnostate. I think they've been trained by over a century of big gibs policy and propaganda. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I believe.

>>129794397
This, main enemies of women suffrage at first were leftists, because women were way too influenced by church.

It has proven to be a mistake, but well, democracy itself is a mistake, not exclusive to women here.

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alright edgy propaganda hour.

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>>129780196
I've heard that agorism is a left-wing philosophy, but my understanding of it is simply an advocacy of counter-economics to undermine the state. That doesn't seem to be particularly left-wing to me. Seems neutral.

>>129795335
take your autistic LARPing elsewhere

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>>129794756
Then how are libertarians so universally White? Why didn't Whites get hooked on gibs and big gov to such a large degree? I just don't believe the perfect dovetailing multiracial outcome is realistic. If we were working towards a libertarian nation we should see signs of progress.

And yet people don't even like living near people who are unlike them, and picking up stakes and moving is a huge, risky decision. I think in-groups are too ingrained in everyone, and the nurture argument only really manifests as Whites espousing nonviolent shit like libertarianism, because they perceive it to be less risky than alternatives, but even then their actions betray their real beliefs.

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>>129795351
its "leftist" because in most countries the only viable markets not taken by the state are degenerate, Drugs, prostitution, human trafficing and shit.

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>>129795418
Eat shit, you have to go back.

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Killing communists is always in defense of non-aggression.

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There is only one goal of socialism. Total control.

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>>129795515
Because whites, esp white men, are the oppressor class. Cultural marxism cannot exploit them. Blacks and women are the perfect pawns for the marxists to manipulate. Being the social hegemons, white men are more immune to the left's vile sorcery. Actually the opposite. We tend to be placed at odds with it, so we naturally become right wing/libertarian. Part of my transformation from your typical normie millennial was seeing how unfairly hated my own demographic was.

>>129795884
Also I'm not saying that we can be this perfectly mixed diverse melting pot. People do tend to organize with the in-group. I personally would prefer to have a white family. But in terms of society at large, as long as they respect the NAP, I don't care if a black dude is sharing a broader society with me.

>>129776382
They are all the same thing

>>129793282
>Non-Whites can't operate on that level of decentralization. They're too collectivistic. They're using identity politics and STATE VIOLENCE against Whites and lolerbertarians act like they're too smart and above it all to deign to participate in identity politics. It disgusts me.

The means of establishing Anarcho-Capitalism and how it works are completely and entirely different subjects altogether. We don't pander to shitskins and degenerates, because we don't need to. If you think AnCap is established in Democracy (basically soft communism), by appealing to idiots like what Communism does, you're outta your mind

>History is just a timeline of groups of people organizing and using violence to get what they want.

History so far :^)

>NAP ancap-land is fucking communist utopia tier in terms of ignoring human nature.

What human nature are we ignoring? That some people are low-IQ collectivist degenerates? We know they exist. Our solution is physical removal once AnCap is established. Getting to AnCap however, well, again that's a different topic. All that can really be said about establishing AnCap is either violent or non-violent, mass private militia uprising with a willing population, or an economical state-induced collapse in such a scale that people will try a new kind of private society.

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>>129775789
Fuck yes boys
Let's warm up the choppers

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>Go on /pol/
>All these ancap flags
>mfw

Feels good man

fucking lolbertarians

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>>129795564

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We will see a glorious era in our own day, my brothers

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>>129797926
fucking commies

>>129798751
Since we don't believe in intellectual property I just saved your meme.

>>129775789
Daily reminder that capitalism and libertarianism are completely Jewish.

https://archive.org/details/jewsandmodernca00sombgoog

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>>129798751
remove the shoes and I'll voluntarily exchange ye some doubloons for it

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>picking cheeto elvis when you could've picked based gary

eat shit cock holsters

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can we all agree than once we have an interplanetary space an-cap empire that aliens need to die? fuck space niggers

>>129799004
Stop Globalism.
Abolish Central Banking.
End the Fed.
Gas the State.
None of this helps Zionist control, We challenge power more than any nazis think they do.

>Jewish
"The Jewish Question" by Life Love and ANARCHY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1jtKNs5q2o
Documenting Anti-Semitism Within the Libertarian Movement
https://chelm.freeyellow.com/libertarianproblem.html

Even our favored jews are blasted for being anti-semites and racists by jews in high places.

>>129799004
>he says as he actively supports socialism

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>>129799150
Gary Johnson is a fucking loser. You make me sick.
Get your ass out of this thread.

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>>129798783

>buying food that has been prepared by antifa

>do commies believe in washing their hands clean of accumulated feces after they handle their tiny pee pees and boypuccis, or prepare jars of urine to splash on Lauren Southern?

>Do they do pic related on national television like other prominent leftists?

>>129799150
Fuckoff

BAKE.

>>129799214
I agree moonman. space gooks don't belong in our solar system.

>>129799259
Socialism was created by Europeans (socialism exist before the Jew Marx corrupted it). Capitalism was created by Jews. This is historical fact.

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>>129775789

Kebab and communist removal service.

>>129777871
You're gonna see new religions thanks to shit like your pic and the new flag system lol

>>129800092
If you are stupid enough to believe this then you unsalvageable

>>129777871
Same shit different pile

>>129800092

Menger was the start of paleo-liberal capitalism and not even hitler could connect him to Judaism.

>>129799221
>We challenge power more than any nazis think they do
No, because you don't understand the problem. The problem is not merely central banking. Kikes got rich before central banks, which is how they instituted the central banks to begin with. The problem is capitalism, invented by Jews to usurp proper authority and put it into the hands of merchants.

>>129800092
you forget it was free markets and liberty. both inventions of whites that made us so powerful. You fags want a white ethnostate only to enslave them and force disgenic devolutionary systems upon them.

its gonna be the welfare nigger problem but with white welfare queens. you fucking fool. if there is to be a homeland it should be based on the best of white mans inventions. property right.

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>>129800287
>flag
remove yourself then

>>129800520
again. you must not tolerate jewery under capitalism. if they abuse you and you keep coming back for more its your fault. socialism only garentees whites slavery

>>129800520
kikes did not "get rich" before central banking, jews were historically impoverished for generations. you are so fucking ignorant of the history of finance.

The knights templar were the originators of central banking, and the jews merely began to inherit the system around the time of Napoleon, you twat.

The issue is how central finance is able to secure political domination through manipulation of the appendages of the state and the control of debt bearing currencies which must be borrowed and paid back at interest.

You should be buying metals and bitcoin instead of worshipping a flag in your closet. We are all working towards the same ends, but apparently your LARP puts you in a position of utter powerlessness.

>>129800372
I don't believe it. I know it. Because it is a fact of history. Socialism had roots in the European guild system and medieval feudal command economy. Capitalism had roots in Jewish law and practices in Italy, Spain, Amsterdam, England, etc.

>>129800517
>Menger was the start of paleo-liberal capitalism
False.

>>129800541
>you forget it was free markets and liberty. both inventions of whites
False. The ideology of the free market was invented by Jews. Liberty was not fully invented by Jews, but they played a very big role in pushing it.

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>>129801242
and where has your precious socialism lead germany to today?

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>>129801242
the only thing you know is that you make up history as you go along.
You don't think that Greeks and Romans had capital or practiced capitalism? What about ancient Babylon itself?

You are so fucking ignorant that it renders literally everything you say completely moot

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>>129801465
you're wrong. capitalism and liberty as a philosophy date way before your narrow knowledge of history.

>>129801242
>False

Well let us know when you run out of other peoples money and have to turn back to capitalism to rebuild all that wealth you redistributed.

>>129800541
>disgenic devolutionary systems upon them.
Capitalism is dysgenic because the social stratification is based upon ability to make money. This is dysgenic because it does not select for any virtues. In ancap land, a braindead celebrity occupies a higher social position that a patriotic military man. This is utterly dysgenic.

>>129801838
Capital ≠ money
can you into economics my dude?

Your fucking ancestors worked the land and/or hunted/farmed animals for food within socialised familial units composed of parents, children, and sometime other relatives. Otherwise they are ardent capitalists.

Fucking remove yourself you ignorant wet bag of garbage

>>129801242
Capitalism has been there since the dawn of mankind's division of labor mate, I trade you some logs for fishes, vice versa, mutually advantageous non-violent private transactions. The result is more logs produced, more fishes fished, more resources and goods for everybody to grow on because capitalism is the most natural economic system

giving your shit for the tribe to arbitrarily decide on and reward non-workers/laziness is just inefficient

>>129801113
>kikes did not "get rich" before central banking, jews were historically impoverished for generations
Completely false. Jews dominated trade in all major trading hubs of Europe from the middle ages. They were heavily involved in the silk road, Levant trade, and new world colonialism after that. Learn history.

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>>129801242
I bet you refuse to read Ayn Rand because she has a Jewish last name.

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>>129801838
you fool, we're under corporatist socialism right now. That tranny loving popstar is an invention of your economic model. Socialism and social conservatism are incompatible. There is no responsibility in socialism. It is totally disregarding of natural law.

>>129801838

>implying mercenary companies did not make mad cash when there was constant war
>implying capitalism did not create so much wealth that war and plunder are being phased out as unprofitable
>implying people do not value entertainment now because capitalism creates more affordable luxury goods than people know what to do with
>implying you have any argument other than your own made up history and how capitalism is evil because people buy too much stuff

>>129802130
Listen, bitch: I know a lot more about the history of jews than you since I unfortunately happen to be one. You don't know jack shit about kike law nor the history of finance.

>inb4 kas the gikes

You don't even know the definition of capital, you don't understand what money is, and you demonise all forms of trade as kikery. Go fucking off yourself you retard.

>>129801481
Germany is a neoliberal nation that is a client state of the neoliberal USA. Neoliberalism being founded upon the ideas of libertardians heroes Hayek and Friedman.

>>129801671
>Capitalism is like totally old bro
>posts picture of 19th century retard

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>>129802629

Here is your (you)

>>129802629
Ever heard of Croesus?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croesus

>>129802080
>there is either capitalism or socialism
This is why nobody takes ancaps and libertardians seriously.

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>>129802419
>Germany is a neoliberal nation.
you're mistaken. they are social liberals. not economic liberals. the two are incompatible.
germany is without a doubt economically socialist. if you disregard this you are a fool.

>>129802629
remind me, was bastiat a kike? what capitalist jews preceded him?

>>129802993
You are a literal nigger right now

>>129802993
embarassing display, you don't happen to be irish do you?

>>129802120
Commerce=/=capitalism dumbass. No real economists in history have defined it that way. Only libertarians do because it allows them to create fallacious arguments centered around false dichotomies.

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>>129800767

/pol/ is a NSDAP board, and if you don't want to behave yourself then you'll be removed too.

>>129803328
Capitalism = private ownership of production and goods, exchanging it the same way privately.

Nothing I said was wrong.

>>129803351
c-can pirates join too senpai

>>129802394
>I know a lot more about the history of jews than you since I unfortunately happen to be one
Jews don't know a lot about their own history. They teach false historical persecution narratives that do not align with facts of history as a way of reinforcing their tribal loyalties. But pretty funny that the die-hard ancap here also happens to be a kike.

And I know perfectly well what capital is and have never demonized trade once.

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>>129803328
You can't even define what capital is, given that you have ignorantly associated it with money.

Who the fuck are you and why are you trolling our thread? You haven't levelled a single argument and aside from a few characteristic idiomatic features I have managed to pick up about you the only thing I know is that you are fucking retarded.

You are cancer.

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>>129803351
all is fair against the left.

>>129803763
You are so mercurial, it's like talking to a fucking bubble bath.

We ancap kikes are the real Nazis

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>>129803664

Of coursh.

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bump.

>>129803664
I've already confirmed this. International waters are our's matey.

>>129804271
>>129805272
aye

tis a good time to be a pirate my lads!

>>129805549
>>129805272
pirates are the missing link in the libertarian/natsoc alliance. you can save the sinking ship that is /pol/.\

make it great again. please.

>>129805994
gladly me heartie, we'll round up these landlubbing degenerates and flog em till they beg for davy jone's gaschambers. or just physically remove them from the plank, it's all the same

>>129789025
here is a (((you))) fucking faggot

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>>129803888
I am gonna go ahead and check my own sick digits since my sick mega-kike posting-get broke our thread

>>129807015
That ancap meme though.

From a libertarian, why does everyone think we're just gonna shoot people on sight for being on our property?