Fascism general /FG/

>>129727889
Note:
>>129689209

Was a good discussion, lot of good pointers on Italian, Spanish, and Lebanese fascism.

>>129727889

Is Casa Pound the future of Italy? If not, who is? Is there any hope left, Guido?

>>129728489
I suspect that it will be groups pushing the main parties more to the right then they themselves. The media shrill response to things is causing people to accept the far right as a viable thing.

>>129728805

Is there going to be need for fighting? I would come volunteer in the fights if it got violent. I'm an american but my father is 100% sicilian

Fuck you. WHITE POWER!

>>129729175
I am not a Italian. Just know Italian politics.

>>129729408

Oh okay. Where are you

>>129729545
states

What is the difference between Fascism and National Socialism?

>>129731509
national socialism is the Germanic form of fascism

>>129731509
The simple answer is this.

Both Fascism and National Socialism have some ideas in general - nationalism, corporatism, and militarism.

National Socialism adds white supremacy to Fascism, thus a Japanese or Arab party of national socialism is a oxymoron, while Fascism has no issues.

>>129732232
Thus can there be a mexican fascism?

>>129731509
>Fascism is properly speaking the name of the political and social ideology espoused by Italian Duce and Premier Benito Mussolini. Italian Fascism and National Socialism have many similarities, but are properly speaking not synonymous. Italian Fascism believes in the supremacy of the State, while National Socialism believes the State is but an end to a means – the survival of the people and race – and never an end in itself. However, due to the many similarities between certain political movements in the first half of the 20th century, the term “fascism” has been used to describe all of them. Whether this is a good use of the term is debatable. C. Z. Codreanu, leader of the Romanian Iron Guard, said: “Fascism means first of all defending your nation against the dangers that threaten it. It means the destruction of these dangers and the opening of a free way to life and glory for your nation.”

Retrieved from: www.national-socialism.com
Inform yourself.

>>129731509
Facism = Elegant Mediterranean ideology, that values the nation and the citizens while keeping Southern culture aesthetic and high

National Socialism = autistic Nordcuck sperging, muh Germanic le masterrace, destroyed every kind of national movement in Europe till todays age

>>129732444
Yes, and there has been, and currently small Mexican Fascist parties.

WOOT

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>>129727889
> Middle Eastern, UK, US, South American

fascism confirmed for brown man's ideology

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>>129732649
Which ones? there must be like some groups of 20 autistic larpers doing it...
>>129732519
to what degree does it become statism?

>>129732954

Damn it.

>>129727889
Any literature you guys recommend? I have the absolute basic amount of knowledge with fascism.

>>129733015
So apparently there's muslim and jihadist for muslims, but for Christians there's only "templar".

lmao, what a pile of garbage

>>129732444
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDHas1RBzAw

yes

>>129732592
This

>>129733113
http://cnqzu.com/library/Solar%20General/100-questions-about-fascism-oswald-mosley.pdf

URL is self explanatory

>>129732963
>Which ones? there must be like some groups of 20 autistic larpers doing it..
Most of these are historical parties of note

Mexican Democratic Party
National Synarchist Union
Just off the top of my head.

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Any anyone noticed that the captcha of "select [x] until there is none left" has gotten more prevalent?

>>129727889

Ure flag looks like an insignificant bug, just like your philosophy.

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>>129733974
>Libertarians
>relevant

>>129733974
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPPrwzR0GLc

>>129733113
Well a good first book might be to at least understand the book Leviathan by Hobbs.

Then Read up on Mussolini, Franco, and Mosley.
>>129733577
Is a great first reader.

Shouldn't we have a Third Position thread that unites Italian fascism, Falangism, Strasserism, National Bolshevism, ideas of Oswald Mosley and other similar ideologies, just without Hitlerboo LARPers and similar cretins?
I don't see a point in creating different threads about different strains of fascism.

>>129734327
as OP - I am totally fine with that. I tried to make it clear that everything from the BUF, Falangism, Italian Fascism, and Latin America would be fine.

I think National Bolshevism is better off to be in its own thread. And my opening line was to indicate that I didn't want to dwell on the ideas of Hitlerboos/

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Also, Fascist qts are welcome to posted.

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>needing someone to tell you what to do.

Cucks all of you.

Parliamo l'italiano, ragazzi. Vuole leggere un libro di Duce per imparare il mio italiano e le sue idee. Potreste consigliare qualcosa?

>>129733577
The Press will not be free to tell lies. That is not freedom for the people but a tyranny over their
minds and souls. Much humbug is talked on this subject. What is Press freedom ? In practice it
means the right of a few millionaires to corner newspapershares on the stock exchange and to
voice their own opinions and interests irrespective of the truth or of the national interest.
Newspapers are not made any longer by news or journalism. They are made by sheer weight of
money expressed in free gift schemes, etc. They serve not the interests of the many but the
vested interests of the few. In that service they will stoop to any lie or any debauch of the public
mind. This must be stopped, and the freedom of the National Press to serve great interests at the
expense of the nation must be curtailed. On the other hand, local newspapers, generally speaking,
are fairly conducted, with a sense of national responsibility and will certainly be treated
differently by Fascism from the great dope machines of the vested interests which now are
dignified by the undeserved title of National Press.

Such a great way to express it.

>>129732592
At least nordcucks gave us autistic fat virgins larping as white supremacists online

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>>129732592
I am sold, can we classify Salazar as fascist?
He was more of a traditional catholic autocrat but heavily inspired by Mussolini.

Where does fascism stand on catholicism, race and the free market?

Also where's my Roman Empire flag?

>>129735223
tfw no qt fascist gf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRSlLAcKxc4&list=RDqRSlLAcKxc4

i was sleeping, how do i change flags

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>>129732232
Explain pic then.

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[Fascism] was an explosion against intolerable conditions, against remediable wrongs which the old world failed to remedy. It was a movement to secure national renaissance by people who felt themselves threatened with decline into decadence and death and were determined to live, and live greatly.

>>129735963
>I am sold, can we classify Salazar as fascist?
>He was more of a traditional catholic autocrat but heavily inspired by Mussolini.
I think he would follow under "Quasi-Fascist". He was more of a Autocrat, but he understood that Fascist concepts can mobilize a nation in a time of need.


>Where does fascism stand on catholicism, race and the free market?

Some forms of Fascism (Falangism for example) views the church as a integral part of a nation and a point of national unity. Others viewed it as a thing to be dealt with.

On Race it is the same thing. Depends on the identity that they are seeking. Spain with a multi-ethnic nation focused on language and tried to discurage basque language as they where all spanish.

While say, some of the german stuff was very much more based on race then language. It all depends on what the nation is.

As for Free market - Most Fascist concepts is a "Third way" that consists of the government, Companies, and Unions working together to make the nation stronger, provide goods and services that are needed, and have a return on investment, but not screw over the workers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_syndicalism

>>129736586
Do you think that means he wants chinamen to come and take over his white country?

Every white country should be 'white' supremacist. China should be 'yellow' supremacist.

>>129736586
Hitler needed Japan for political reasons.

>>129727889
Anyone else here a member of the ABP?
https://www.americanblackshirts.com/

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>>129737146
No, I never implied that. he was an aryan supremacist, but he didn't necessarily consider all non-whites inferior to German.

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>>129737100
So we'll tailor it to fit our nations. Cheers mate.

>>129731509
Fascism is ideology that serves the state
Naziism is a state that serves the ideology

>>129738210
That is correct - in fact, copying it blindly was viewed as a mistake, as each nation has it unique challenges that the nation must be mobilized to solve, and concepts that bind them as a nation.

>>129731509
Nazis are more associated with race based ideology.
Nazis want to nationalize all major industries.
Fascists believe in the politicization industrial policy through corporatism (variants of which can actually be seen throughout modern European society- it's actually a very effective system for political economy).

Both are nationalistic, typically imperialistic, autocratic, and often militaristic.

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>>129727889
9/11 was an inside job
The media really is fake/manipulated
Education has been hijacked and corrupted
Almost everything you are told about everything is a lie
Pornography is engineered in order to manipulate the behavior of the public
Fluoride is neurotoxic
Deep State Killed JFK
USA, EU still supports terrorism
Refugee crisis is to shift voting demographics of European peoples
Greek debt crisis was engineered by the EU to create a vassal state
FYROM is Soros puppet state
Ukraine civil war was started by EU/USA
Putin did nothing wrong
Trump did nothing wrong
Assad did nothing wrong
World elite wants socialist one world government with centralized resource control
2008 global financial crisis was started by Rothschild et al on purpose
Global warming is mostly a scam
Anti-white propaganda in USA is a thing
Bush knew there are no WMD's in Iraq
Zionist mafia really think goyim are inferior and must serve them
Internet/entertainment media designed to keep us dumb
Muh Russia is a DNC-crafted lie
DNC did Seth Rich
Sandy Hook actually probably didn't happen, gun control agitprop
Illuminati is real, globalist supermafia formed from the top echelon of elite banker mafias of all nations
Bilderburger Group is a subset of Illuminati
Global elite blackmail network of luciferians, satanists, pedos, cannibals, many celebrities, leaders and influential people are members
Google is massive supercookie and data analytical company assisting the globalist supermafia
Adrenochrome. Hunter S. Thompson wrote about it in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, says he got it from a client who's into satanism and facing child molestation charges.
Bohemian Grove is unironically where USA Illuminati hang out
MK ULTRA happened and subsequent programs are ongoing
HAARP was a test platform for electronic thought manipulation en masse

2D waifus aren't good for you

That September 23rd thing is a solid maybe.

>>129727889
You understand you are commie-tier bootlickers right?
>WAAAAAAAH MOMMY WHY DOESN'T THE GOVERNMENT HAVE THE POWER TO KILL ME AND TAKE ALL OF MY MONEY WAAAAH I JUST WANNA BE DOMINATED WAAAAAAH
Stay off my lawn, creepy submissive faggots

>>129738772
A simple way to look at it is that it is the guild system modernized to the 20th/21st century.

>>129739387
>LARPing

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>>129735968
qt

>>129733974
>lolbertarian talking about irrelevance
lel

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>>129739472
>>129739257
Libertardians are fags.

>>129739472
Look, it fine that you don't want to be a part of something that is greater then yourself.

The big redpill is that is a empty existence, and without people working together in some way you will not solve problems. And Librarians only offer false promises that are not unlike the fake promises of Communism.

>Pure X has never been tried.

However Fascism has been tried, and has been highly successful to develop nation states in crisis to a better existence. And as republics start to creak under the weight of there own follies, it will be Fascism turn once again to bring order and get a nation on it feet again.

To deny that you are not part of a greater nation is denial of self.

>>129739584
>YFW you realize her name translations can be "flame to Niggers"

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>>129739257

>>129740073
You know what, National Bolsheviks are welcome here as long as they are nationalistic.

>>129740206
Anarchocapitalism and similar might work in the americas, but it makes no sense in Europe.

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>>129740700
We have no problem with fascists m80.

Why would a citizen want fascism ?

Is it because you assume that you would be in charge or because you assume that you will like whatever the person is doing ?

>>129727889
A point to consider for American Fascists: Should American Fascism be militaristic?

Fascism has a reputation for being an inherently militaristic ideology. However, the closest parallel for an American fascist movement would be the British Union of Fascists (for more information, look here >>129733577)

Given Britain's status as the premier world Superpower, Mosley did not believe in the need for a large military buildup. This is in opposition to the models in Italy, Hungary, Spain, or Germany for a simple reason: the later countries all had unclaimed territories that they were ideologically committed to getting back. The United States does not have any serious territorial disputes. Should American Fascism push for a robust, aggressive military?

>>129733113
Julius Evola, Gabriele D'Annunzio, Giovanni Gentile.

For art, just look at italian futurism

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>>129737100
He literally started taking fascist components of propaganda to Portuguese population support Nationalist side of Spanish Civil War. He wasn't fascist

>>129727889
Do you consider Petain's France as fascist?

>>129728489
Salvini is the only hope.

>>129727889
>>129732150
>>129732232
Wouldn't fascism by itself have a foundational element of ethnocentrism ultimately congruent with racial ideology?
Because you cannot have an Italian state without ethnic Italians.
Wouldn't this system (if I'm correct) label the Jew as non Europeans effectively alienating them from nationalist sentiment towards their host countries?
The way I see it fascism inherently possesses the racial element obviously not to the natsoc degree but it is there 100%.

>>129738742
In fact the doctrine clearly states the differences between the fascism of the time, and the metaphysical form of Fascism, which is eternal in its values of Unity and Struggle.

>Like all sound political conceptions, Fascism is action and it is thought; action in
which doctrine is immanent, and doctrine arising from a given system of historical forces
in which it is inserted, and working on them from within (1). It has therefore a form
correlated to contingencies of time and space; but it has also an ideal content which
makes it an expression of truth in the higher region of the history of thought,

>>129749795
>Not a race, nor a geographically defined region, but a people, historically
perpetuating itself; a multitude unified by an idea and imbued with the will to live,
the will to power, self-consciousness, personality (19) .

>>129732592
Lmao mussolini was hitlers' bitch throughout the whole decade. Try harder antonio

fascism was wrong
i'm sorry for all the people

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>>129728489
Casapound decuplicated it's risults in the last few years, touching the 10% in some cities (Lucca, Pordenone) the only party in Italy openly fascist

>>129735598
C'è un bel libro, il manuale delle guardie nere, è una semplice raccolta di citazioni di Mussolini, italiano di base comprensibile